TsNIItochmash creates a new sniper complex "Ugolyok" for the Ministry of Defense

A new sniper complex based on a semi-automatic rifle chambered for .308 and .338 caliber Lapua Magnum is being developed in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense. This was announced in an interview with Izvestia by the general director of TsNIIochtomash Albert Bakov.

According to Bakov, the institute is developing a new sniper complex in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry. The development work (R & D) on this topic was called the "Ember".

Work is underway on the project "Ember". We are talking about the creation of sniper complexes for the Ministry of Defense - two semi-automatic sniper rifles. We develop rifles of two calibers - .308 and .338 Lapua Magnum

- the general director declared, adding that the military department set strict conditions - there should not be any imported components in rifles.

Bakov explained that the Ugolok rifles are created for firing at long distances, and not to replace the Dragunov sniper rifle (SVD).

At those distances, where the SVD works - up to 800 m - you can spend several billion, and do nothing. SVD brought to perfection

- the general director emphasized.

In the future, on the basis of army rifles, hunting self-loading rifles will be created for both caliber - and .308, and .338 Lapua Magnum.

Comments

[aszzz888]

In the future, on the basis of army rifles, hunting self-loading rifles will be created for both caliber - and .308, and .338 Lapua Magnum.

Perhaps the news will appeal to hunters ...

[bouncyhunter]

Serge If with the .338 caliber it is clear, then the choice of .308 raises the question: why is the domestic 7,62X54R bad?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

And for export.

[bouncyhunter]

At first I thought about the same thing, but the article clearly states that "Coal" in both calibers is created for the needs of the Ministry of Defense.

[Shurik70]

And I think it’s also suitable for special operations. Eliminate which ISIS terrorist undergoing another training in the United States, for example. In such an operation, a purely Russian cartridge is undesirable. It is clear that the Russian cartridge is being let in even abroad. But a purely imported cartridge is still better for such a thing.
Or an operation with a large amount of ammunition consumption, if you can get a specific cartridge in place quite easily, then it is worth taking a weapon under it.

[aszzz888]

Hello Pasha! ... there is such a "individual" of hunters - better than 308 than 54 ... for me, 54 is good up to 350 m, and then only mountain and steppe hunting ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: aszzz888

there is such a "specimen" of hunters - better than 308 than 54

Yes, but the article primarily deals with the military. I understand that if it was a .300 Lapua Magnum cartridge, then the phrase becomes clear:

rifles "Ugolyok" are created for long-range shooting, and not to replace the Dragunov sniper rifle (SVD).

for the .300 Lapua Magnum is nothing more than a cartridge of a smaller caliber based on the .338 Lapua Magnum sleeve.

[aszzz888]

bouncyhunter (Pasha) Today, 11: 02 There is, but after all, the article primarily deals with the military.

... yes, the article is about the military ... let the specialists themselves choose the working version of the screw and cartridge ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: aszzz888

let the specialists themselves choose the working version of the screw, and the cartridge ...

Since it is said that the "Ugolyok" is being developed in the "interests of the Ministry of Defense", and not in an "initiative manner", we can conclude that the terms of reference from the Ministry of Defense was formed, that is, the military decided on the cartridge and caliber.

[2329 Carpenter]

In the 54th sleeve there is still a welt. Which R. Ours, although they learned how to make reliable screws and machine guns under it, but they sharpened a tooth on this welt a long time ago. No matter how years are not 100.

[serg.shishkov2015]

The tooth may have been ground, only at the end of the 19th century, our team found out that without a welt it is very inconvenient to get cartridges out of the package with wet and frozen fingers.

[Deck]

But what is domestic 7,62X54R bad?

The presence of the flange and the design of the capsule nest

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: Deck

The presence of the flange and the design of the capsule nest

It doesn’t seem to matter, it’s just that they plan to make a rifle for the caliber most popular in NATO countries. There is apparently an interest in exporting to other countries. And they want western bullets to use ammunition. By the 308th Vin a good assortment of modern Western sniper bullets. The Russian cartridge 7,62X54R has even a slightly larger volume of shells than a foreigner, which makes it possible to shoot further than the 308th Vin when the cartridge is properly equipped. In the caliber 7,62 mm West there are more powerful and long-range rifle cartridges, for example .300 Vin Mag. The western 7,62 mm differs in diameter from the Russian bullet - 7,85 mm in their diameter compared to 7,94 mm in Russian diameter of 7,62 mm. The rifle is created for the most common western caliber for sniper rifles, but not the most long-range even in this caliber. Export is likely. To sell more. Not only for the Ministry of Defense.

[Korax71]

In 308 there is m118lr, and the mountain of ammunition of the match class and of the rim, of course.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Specially found for those gifted like me.
Cartridges of .308 and .338 Lapua Magnum calibers, which are standard for NATO armies.
Cartridge 308 Lapua Magnum - 7,62 × 51 mm
Cartridge 338 Lapua Magnum - 8,6 × 70 mm

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Question to all.

Specially found for those gifted like me.
Cartridges of .308 and .338 Lapua Magnum calibers, which are standard for NATO armies.
Cartridge 308 Lapua Magnum - 7,62 × 51 mm
Cartridge 338 Lapua Magnum - 8,6 × 70 mm

2 minuses, for what? What did I write bad?
Just very interesting.
Who set - explain why?

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

What did I write bad?

Perhaps someone did not like the fact that the cartridge .308 Win (7,62X51) you called Lapua Magnum. In any case, the cons are not from me.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Work is underway on the project "Ember". We are talking about the creation of sniper complexes for the Ministry of Defense - two semi-automatic sniper rifles. We develop rifles of two calibers - .308 and .338 Lapua Magnum
- the general director declared, adding that the military department set strict conditions - there should not be any imported components in rifles.

It was in the article.
Moreover, I do not know how Lapua differs from Lapua.

[bouncyhunter]

The fact is that the .308 Lapua Magnum cartridge does not exist, there is a .300 Lapua Magnum, as I wrote above. And Lapua is the name of the Finnish company that developed this cartridge. If interested, here is the link: http://shooting-iron.ru/board/12-1-0-48
In the West, in addition to designating the caliber in fractions of an inch, it is also customary to indicate the developer of the cartridge or the weapon to which it goes (in order to avoid confusion with the same caliber), therefore Lapua is mentioned in the marking.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yes FIG them, with these minuses.
And for clarification about Lapua THANKS !!! +++++
I'll know.

[tracer]

Yes, I also faded. Well .308 wherever it goes. But 338 Lapua..This is a purely sniper caliber.

[igorka357]

More snipers .. accurate and long-range ..

[Cowbra]

Only no one in the soul understands why the heck then a semiautomatic device

[PSih2097]

Quote: Cowbra

Only no one in the soul understands why the heck then a semiautomatic device

Well, others have it, but ours don’t - only boltoviki ...

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Cowbra

Only no one in the soul understands why the heck then a semiautomatic device

In SVD? There, automatic reloading is justified, as it is a sniper rifle compartment.
For other tasks, yes, you need a "bolt".

And by the way, in the DPR, in the state of the rifle and motorized rifle divisions there are NO snipers ...

[Cowbra]

Here I am talking about. It is positioned as a rifle for LONG distances, and there already seriously plays the height above the sea, humidity, derivation ... And suddenly automation. which, if you don’t balance, it’s still going to pull the trunk somewhere ... Yes, I also liked the 800 SVD. Have you met many of them, who on 800 from SVD somewhere will get smaller than an elephant? Yes, there are only a few of them!
So I say something incomprehensible. What is the gain? Rate of fire? Is it for long ?! So for this there is a machine gun

[2329 Carpenter]

If the German sniper at 43m had self-loading, then our young soldier would never have eaten it, calculating the reload time and running over at that time.
Bolt is "bang". And SVD - bang bang.
Great in many cases.

[AU Ivanov.]

If a German sniper had self-loading, our young soldier would calmly run across without fear of a bullet. SVD at long distances bang-bang and past.

[2329 Carpenter]

Emnip, 1076 defeats - according to German data. I don’t remember the last name. Used the G-43.

[Cowbra]

Returning to the front, Allerberger switched to using a sniper modification of the Mauser 98k rifle with a 6x optical sight. Or, according to circumstances, to the semiautomatic rifle “Walter 43” Gewehr 43. Josef was very positive about this weapon and noted its effectiveness in fire at ranges melee and medium combat (from 100 to 400 meters) especially with the use of expansive bullets.

[2329 Carpenter]

Woah!
Street fight, "brilliant green", bush - will there be enough of a hero with a "bolt" for a long time?

[Cowbra]

Read it again:

chambered for .308 and .338 caliber Lapua Magnum

These are powerful and expensive cartridges, what for they shoot where the pistol even suits ?!

Bakov explained that Ugolek rifles are created for shooting to distant distance, and not to replace the Dragunov sniper rifle (SVD).

[2329 Carpenter]

Long distances still need to search in modern combat.

[Cowbra]

On the contrary, combat distances are increasing - that is why the United States is trying to switch to a more powerful full-time cartridge. And to look for such a distance - the WCT and the tower there, on which there was nothing to shoot, was just about a km away, and such - yes at every airport

[2329 Carpenter]

Apparently, they have not fought in the forests for a long time. More and more on the warm plains and deserts.

[Major_Vortex]

Of the .308, self-loading automation will have 600 meters range.

[Cowbra]

And yes, they made a mistake of only 700))) One has less than 300, the other has 300 +/- half a bast, compared to the Soviet ones with a bolt, both are pioneers. Yes, and the same Nomokonov even fired from an open sight for a kilometer. Exactly for the bolt

[2329 Carpenter]

Pavlichenko = 309.
SVT.

[tracer]

Guys, I'll tell you a secret. The match shooting gallery of the 22lr caliber is much more crowded. IN A CLOSED SPORTS DASH. ...... Before you write what you think. We are talking about a semi-automatic rifle for the Ministry of Defense which should complement the capabilities of snipers rifle units supporting them in active combat operations of the offensive and defense. Why are you comparing with the talkers? 338 is a very powerful caliber and its capabilities are much higher than .6 or 308 × 7.62. Both in terms of stability, persistence and penetration, and range. And in a semiautomatic device this is generally a thing ...

[Obliterator]

Americans out of their semi-automatic Barrett under .50BMG shoot at live targets at a distance of over 1km and do not complain much. Do not forget about the important nuance - .338 will be much more reliable for infantrymen protected by bulletproof vests than 308 or 7,62X54R. And the tendency to increase the caliber of sniper weapons is around the world.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Separ DNR

... And by the way, in the DPR, in the state of rifle and motorized rifle divisions there are NO snipers ...

Here is the news! It turns out that all the snipers in the state or something?
In reality, there is a sniper, but they are not in the state ...

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Here is the news! It turns out that all the snipers in the state or something?

In the regiments, brigades, there are companies of snipers. But in the infantry, they are not.
The Sniper sometimes they leave, work, and then we rake ...

[tracer]

As far as I remember, the motorized rifle trouser sniper is one per platoon. In the Airborne Forces 3, there is one platoon in each compartment in the standard armament of the SVD. Strange.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: tracer

As far as I remember, the motorized rifle trouser sniper is one per platoon. In the Airborne Forces 3, there is one platoon in each compartment in the standard armament of the SVD. Strange.

So one colonel from a neighboring country, traveling around units (positions), was also perplexed about the discrepancy between the states of the DPR and the army of his country

[Glory1974]

As far as I remember, the motorized rifle trouser sniper is one per platoon.

It used to be. And the brigades of the new look of all snipers are reduced to one company.

[Buffet]

And what do not suit Lobaev’s rifles?

[2329 Carpenter]

Lobaev himself, apparently.

[tracer]

Not satisfied with the fact that the bolt. The chatter speed is very limited. The semiautomatic device drives. Understand finally, this is not a shooting gallery. It is not necessary to hit the center of the target from the first shot for a long time. Firing ranges have grown dramatically since World War II. For a sniper rifle, there is a target that has its own overall characteristics. And this target must be hit, from a semi-automatic rifle it can be done faster and more efficiently. And no one can argue that the performance of the MOA bolt rifle will be better. Better, more effective. Better to fire five shots from a semi-automatic. And one to catch than for the same time one with chatter and smear .... Believe me, I understand what I'm talking about. And I had enough time with SVD. How unpredictable these breaks pissed me off ... When the shot was well marked. But the SVD is an irreplaceable thing and is designed to support the unit in motion by a sniper, that is, "on the move." Oh, I would give you a chatterbox. To run around the city unfriendly .. Instantly would have understood than a semiautomatic device is better. And an article about just such a rifle with an increased caliber and range of .338 Lapua

[BAI]

two calibers - .308 and .338 Lapua Magnum

Are we moving to NATO standards for calibers?

[g1washntwn]

And what about the offensive? Plant to carry across the ocean? )))

[dgonni]

Yeah, in TsNIItochmash also decided to cut the budget. Under these ammunition, there is nothing better than a bolt. A semi-automatic rifle immediately loses in accuracy compared to a bolt precisely because of the operation of the automation. The crisis is not in the state, the crisis is in the head, as the Preobrazhensky professor used to say!

[Obliterator]

If they directly say that it is in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, then the soldiers themselves wanted a semiautomatic device for these calibers. And surely they have sufficient reasons to make such an order, nobody will just explain them to us.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

The question arises, what's wrong with Orsis and the Lobaev line?

[Buffet]

As I understand it, Orsis and Lobaev are weapons to order. And here we have in mind combined arms weapons.

[meGrail]

rifles should not have any imported components.

"Only" patron - bourgeois

[mark1]

"Coal"
- the first thing I thought about
- "Well, the youngest at" Peresvet "has appeared." This is not a blaster.

[Naive]

Why do we need these (news in the future)? We’ll make roofing felts, we won’t make roofing felts already with our own (bright future and constant shift of terms (to the right)). They put it into service and then it was POSSIBLE told! And then the next (not having an analogue in the world) (toy) for ten years has been advertised with each iron and then it turns out that there is no money, only today it’s and we have a new (no analogs in the world) (toy), it will definitely show everyone. The site seems to be a MILITARY REVIEW news section, there is a conflict of two NUCLEAR countries in the world, negotiations (partners) with the DPRK NUCLEAR power on its resolution, an open attempt of a coup in Venezuela ((partners) that have us (for a few tweets) in their presidential election!) And we are flooded with about (rifles and comments on foreign sites, who said what about Poseidon about Su57 and other nonsense!) DO YOU DO THERE WHAT? WHAT IS THIS FOR? With this approach, you will not be included in the list of the best military publications next year.

[andreypilot]

I’m wondering how Bakov ended up at the helm of TsNIITOCHMASH ??? Ruined Tractor Plants, almost ditched Kurganmashzavod, driving the plant into BILLIONS of debts, goes bankrupt and on those you, again, the CEO, again the STATE CORPORATION. Mikhalkov or something Doesn't let his son-in-law disappear? Where are the officials looking, who is in charge of this direction? I am in shock, PPC, they cannot find normal managers? Do they want to destroy this structure? Where does the Ministry of Defense look? We have Kurganmashzavod still departing from their and Bolotin's management .. .http: //www.moscow-post.com/economics/poxozhdenija_alberta_bakova28057/