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The patrol ship of the 22160 project "Pavel Derzhavin" launched in Kerch

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In Pavel Derzhavin, the patrol ship under construction for the Russian Navy of the 22160 project was launched in Kerch. The solemn ceremony was held at the Shipbuilding Plant Zaliv LLC (managed by the Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky JSC), the bmpd blog reports.


The patrol ship of the 22160 project "Pavel Derzhavin" launched in Kerch

Patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" before launching. Kerch, 21.02.2019


The patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" is the third ship of the 22160 project and the second serial ship in a series of five units, as well as the first ship under construction at the Kerch GCC "Zaliv". The project of the ship was developed by JSC “Northern Design Bureau” (St. Petersburg). The contract for the construction of a series of patrol ships in the interests of the Russian Navy was concluded in 2014.

The first patrol ship under this contract (and the second in the series), Dmitry Rogachev, was launched in Zelenodolsk at the end of 2017, and towed to Novorossiysk in August 2018, where it began factory sea trials in September 2018. Now the delivery of this ship of the Russian Navy has been postponed to 2019. The second in the series “Pavel Derzhavin” and the third “Sergey Kotov” are being built in Kerch, the fourth and fifth patrol ships “Victor the Great” and “Nikolai Sipyagin” are being built in Zelenodolsk. All ships are designed for the Black Sea fleet.

The lead ship of this series of 22160 project "Vasily Bykov" was transferred to the Black Sea Fleet 20 of December 2018.

The construction of the entire series of these ships was delayed due to the import substitution of the power plant. All ships of the series, except the head "Vasily Bykov", on which the German diesel-gear units MAN are installed, will receive diesel-gear units produced by the Kolomna plant.

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  1. bondrostov
    bondrostov 23 February 2019 18: 05 New
    +12
    the good news is that such ships are very needed there, especially due to the fact that Ukraine should expect provocations with the bridge.
    1. Egorovich
      Egorovich 23 February 2019 18: 11 New
      +21
      Good luck!!! Seven pounds under the keel !!! And all a Happy Holiday! Health, kindness and good luck !!!
      1. Cheslav Tsursky
        Cheslav Tsursky 23 February 2019 18: 35 New
        +6
        Such really good news comes every week. Russia is preparing for war and is doing it intensively. At the same time, I am sure that we do not receive even half the information about the updates.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 February 2019 20: 21 New
          +8
          If you want peace, get ready for war! This ancient truth is still relevant today.
          1. VSrostagro
            VSrostagro 24 February 2019 00: 15 New
            +2
            Ships well done. Keep it up!
            And all the servants who are still in adequate condition by February 24 are also well done.
            Go to new achievements!
          2. Dr. Bermental
            Dr. Bermental 24 February 2019 15: 10 New
            +1
            Si vis pacem, bellum for
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 23 February 2019 20: 00 New
        +1
        Sasha, Cheslav - I also welcome the holiday! soldier drinks
        Quote: Egorovich
        Seven pounds under the keel !!

        Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
        Such really good news comes every week.

        Good news is better than bad news. . yes
        1. Egorovich
          Egorovich 23 February 2019 20: 19 New
          -4
          Pasha, be healthy friends hi , drinks ! Good is always better than bad. good
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 23 February 2019 20: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Egorovich
            be healthy

            I will, I promise, Sanya! soldier drinks
            Quote: Egorovich
            Good is always better than bad

            It would be good for us to see this, and not just to know. wink
        2. Cheslav Tsursky
          Cheslav Tsursky 23 February 2019 20: 37 New
          +3
          Congratulations on the holiday, Pasha! I sincerely wish you all the best. Health to you and your loved ones. And of course good luck! Good luck to all of us. Just came for a holiday. I’m on duty today, but it’s possible after all ... smile So for you, for us and for special forces! drinks
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 23 February 2019 20: 42 New
            +3
            Everything is accepted for execution soldier drinks proposal to switch to "you"? And the "well-wishers" that are not too lazy to minus to let them do their job. wink
            1. Cheslav Tsursky
              Cheslav Tsursky 23 February 2019 20: 44 New
              +1
              Agreed! I'm glad to see you.
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              And the "well-wishers" that are not too lazy to minus to let them do their job.

              Such a nature ... Let it be!
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 23 February 2019 20: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
                The nature is so ...

                I will not comment, but I will say this: in your words there is a great deal of truth. Meanness is one of the features of human nature, unfortunately ... yes
                1. Cheslav Tsursky
                  Cheslav Tsursky 23 February 2019 20: 57 New
                  -1
                  Thank you for your kind words, Pasha! And meanness does not need comments. She, like betrayal, is always more than obvious. I’m just convinced that you can’t pass by without getting involved. These figures should clearly know that they will always get the answer.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 23 February 2019 21: 03 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
                    meanness does not need comments. She, like betrayal, is always more than obvious.

                    Sorry, I can’t shake your hand. soldier
                    Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
                    I’m just convinced that you can’t pass by without getting involved. These figures should clearly know that they will always get the answer.

                    Abunay friend stop : extremely vindictive and complaints scribble much. yes
                    In PM. wink
                    1. Cheslav Tsursky
                      Cheslav Tsursky 23 February 2019 21: 16 New
                      -2
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      Abunay, friendly stop: extremely vindictive and complaints scribble much. yes
                      In PM.

                      smile
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      Sorry I can't shake your hand

                      God will give a shake. You see, these minuses are not such a trifling thing. Look, minuses people put a lot for comments welcoming such good news. Well, I don't give a damn. I know people who relate to this with a contemptuous smirk and laughter. But! After all, there are enough young people on the site. Enough people are just interested and browsing the site. Of these, there are enough of those who do not have such negative experience and costs of Internet space. Seeing such a thing, they can be misled by this state of affairs and draw the wrong conclusions that so many people in Russia are not happy with the construction and commissioning of new military equipment, etc. This is no longer safe. For God's sake, if any political disagreement - put on health! At least get out of hand. But this state of affairs is accordingly either meanness or outright enemies. Although with frank it I got excited. Enemies who are impersonal, even under the profile picture, do not oppose, but quietly minus not even a specific face that is unpleasant for them, but good news for Russia!
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 23 February 2019 21: 31 New
                        -1
                        There is no doubt that our dialogue with you will cause a stream of negativity (not the fact that what has been expressed). Break through, huh? soldier drinks
                      2. Cheslav Tsursky
                        Cheslav Tsursky 23 February 2019 22: 00 New
                        -1
                        There can be no doubt! drinks
                    2. Tiksi-3
                      Tiksi-3 24 February 2019 09: 47 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
                      Seeing such a thing, they can be misled by this state of affairs.

                      belay Yes, you and Pasha flood here for a short ban, and the forum users are not at all interested in your healers and the rest of the flood - for this there is a personal message and a phone, we all remember how the greetings of the Inquisition mercilessly added and called it pumping. And remember that if your koment does not carry useful information, that if you just flood or pronounced koment for pluses, then I will always slap MINUS in such a way and that's right !!!
      3. bang bang
        bang bang 23 February 2019 21: 52 New
        -2
        Quote: Egorovich
        Good is always better than bad.

        not so, perhaps .... bad news, better than none, because you can expect anything from them ..... and good, they are always good laughing Happy Holiday, Pasha drinks
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    4. Patriot5000
      Patriot5000 25 February 2019 10: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Egorovich
      Good luck!!! Seven pounds under the keel !!! And all a Happy Holiday! Health, kindness and good luck !!!

      feet, actually. I understand the reservation.
      and in pounds it’s weight ... for example, BB.
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  2. faiver
    faiver 23 February 2019 18: 11 New
    +3
    such vessels are very necessary there now
    - why do They need such Ships (and not ships)?
    1. bondrostov
      bondrostov 23 February 2019 18: 22 New
      +3
      Then, to drive Ukrainian boats from the strait.
      "Ships (and not ships)" I am not a sailor, you are probably right you had to write ships.
      1. faiver
        faiver 23 February 2019 18: 24 New
        -1
        this is quite successfully engaged in by frontiers, and not the Black Sea Fleet
        1. bondrostov
          bondrostov 23 February 2019 18: 27 New
          -3
          Perhaps the calculation is that in the future there will be larger-scale provocations and the help of the fleet will be needed. In addition, I think that these ships were also built in kerch in order to load the Crimean shipyards.
          1. faiver
            faiver 23 February 2019 18: 31 New
            +4
            In addition, I think that these ships were built in Kerch in order to load the Crimean shipyards
            - it is not at all important where to build them, the point is that as a combat unit it is useless ...
          2. faiver
            faiver 23 February 2019 18: 44 New
            +2
            Perhaps the expectation is that in the future there will be more ambitious provocations
            - Ukraine has no combat units for more ambitious provocations
            1. bondrostov
              bondrostov 23 February 2019 18: 55 New
              -3
              But Americans can throw some rubbish to them.
          3. musorg
            musorg 24 February 2019 11: 13 New
            +2
            There is little help from him. A worthless ship is more suitable for border guards.
        2. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 23 February 2019 18: 29 New
          +18
          So the Crimean shipyards have earned, and it pleases no less than the descent of the ship itself.

          https://zalivkerch.com/
      2. faiver
        faiver 23 February 2019 18: 28 New
        -2
        I'm not a sailor
        - I, too hi
      3. donavi49
        donavi49 23 February 2019 18: 52 New
        +9
        I repeat - there is someone to drive away.

        This is a special project - for patrolling in the ocean zone. The designers there crashed there to make 60 days of autonomy. You suggest keeping them in Kerch. Where their best qualities (seaworthiness, autonomy, comfort on a long trip, a helicopter in a hangar, a large amount of fuel for a helicopter) will not be expressed. But all the worst will come out:
        - dubious composition of weapons
        = 76mm gun for those cases a so-so solution, because according to Gyurz there will not be any special options / and this is a fundamentally different type of incident with drowning and corpses. Again, if there is a decision to heat = that is, Toothy Fireflies in the same Kerch with the same gun, there is an MPK / MRK in Kerch in rotation.
        = 2 installations (on 1 on board) of the MTPU will not allow you to quickly and accurately admonish the intruder, moreover, the sailors will stand there at full height at the firing point, which sharply increases the risk of catching something in response. Even from a light rifle from the bridge of the intruder. The bullet is a fool, especially crazy.

        - low thrust-to-weight ratio and dynamics, again, running characteristics are not a strong point. At Abaza, there were like pictures in the 23 region of the nodes in the tests (this is with German engines). Plus, again, dynamics, maneuverability. The firefly on duty will work on Gyurzam much more effectively in terms of running characteristics.

        - the ship is not suitable for a classic assault and boarding, contours, etc. Yes, he will be able to drop the boat at full speed - but here's how Don, wipe, pick up and then drop off the assault group. It will be difficult for him. And then again, the repair is quite voluminous - this is not a couple of subbotnik crew with sledgehammers and like new, which is important for Don and even Svetlyaka.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 23 February 2019 20: 05 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          This is a special project - for patrolling in the ocean zone.

          And where do we have such tasks?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 February 2019 21: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            And where

            How many times have our ships been attacked by pirates and had to drive ships of the 1st rank there?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 23 February 2019 21: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Dart2027
              How many times have our ships been attacked by pirates and had to drive ships of the 1st rank there?

              For the fight against pirates, there are much cheaper and much more comfortable options for cutting all kinds of container ships.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 23 February 2019 21: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                options for cutting all kinds of container ships

                A warship is a warship, and a container ship is a container ship. Yes, if necessary, you can remodel one into another, but it is better to avoid this.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 23 February 2019 21: 43 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  A warship is a warship, and a container ship is a container ship.

                  Cheaper and more convenient with the same efficiency
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 23 February 2019 22: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Cheaper and more convenient

                    Yes, not a fact. At the institute we were once told that the USSR made attempts to create dual-purpose ships and it didn’t work out very well.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 23 February 2019 23: 10 New
                      0
                      And why "dual purpose"? Conventional container ship. Purely civilian.
                    2. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 24 February 2019 07: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      And why "dual purpose"? Conventional container ship.

                      An ordinary container ship is not suitable for a database, even against pirates.
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 February 2019 08: 01 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      An ordinary container ship is not suitable for a database, even against pirates.

                      Come on, why are we worse than the British ...
                    4. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 24 February 2019 09: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      why are we worse than the british

                      Let's just say "fishlessness and cancer". But it’s better all the same "fish".
                    5. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 February 2019 09: 26 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      But it’s better all the same "fish".

                      I'm afraid there’s more likely "neither fish nor meat". And at the price of smuggled jamon
  3. donavi49
    donavi49 23 February 2019 21: 38 New
    +7
    When this project was done, it was task No. 1 for the fleet. If you do not know, then for example, they died in the fight against pirates (okay, they went into a lengthy repair):
    - BOD Admiral Chabanenko, one of the newest BNK 1 rank in the Navy.
    - TFR Undaunted - which has been under repair since 2014. Perhaps they will have time to turn in to 2020.
    - the mass of BOD, flew to the 2-3 of the year for repair.
    - TFR Yaroslav the Wise, the most modern combat ship in the fight against pirates, caught an incident with a turbine, from which 1,5 of the year was under repair + 1 was then repaired.

    So, in order not to bury the 1 BNK of the rank in distant seas, this project was ordered. He combined:
    - autonomy and seaworthiness of BNK 1 rank.
    - fuel supply for the BNK 1 helicopter rank.
    - excellent habitability for the crew.
    - Adequate (although in doubt, again 2 MTPU, when other similar ships 2-4 rapid-firing guns with centralized control) weapons to combat pirates.
    - a high resource for all systems (relevant for the initial project with the German power), a high estimated daily rate in the campaign / year.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 February 2019 21: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: donavi49
      When this project was done, it was task number 1 for the fleet.

      As for me, we don’t have much money to create such specific ships.
    2. Sky
      Sky 24 February 2019 10: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: donavi49
      If you do not know, then for example, they died in the fight against pirates (okay, they went into a lengthy repair):

      please explain, is it that there were damage as a result of rams or was the resource exhausted due to long patrols?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 24 February 2019 10: 49 New
        +3
        Resource knocked out. Which became even more complicated after 2014 = because with Turbines (repairs) everything became more complicated. As a result, queues for repairs formed - or contractors without competencies, for example, the same Undaunted:
        - When will you return the Undaunted fleet?
        - The work on the Undaunted patrol ship continues, and there are more of them than originally planned. The ship's defect revealed the need for a significant increase in the volume and scale of repairs. In addition, it was necessary to entrust the engine repair to another counterparty, since the previous one could not cope with it.
        1. Sky
          Sky 24 February 2019 10: 56 New
          +1
          I see. Thanks. In this sense, ships are really needed simpler, with a large resource and low cost of operation, it is not the business of the BOD to drive.
    3. Vadim Golubkov
      Vadim Golubkov 24 February 2019 12: 07 New
      0
      So you want to say that the pirates on the boats destroyed these ships? Or am I not understanding something?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 24 February 2019 12: 54 New
        +4
        Partially - the dalnyks knocked out resources, as a result of the repair. Since 2013 of the year, Chabanenko has stood heartless in the plant and with doubtful prospects to get out of there at all. Undaunted - since 2014, it’s been worth it — I brought the leader out of the way (the base contractor could not restore the turbines). The current term is November, 2019 of the year. Wise - burned the 1,5 turbine of the year immediately under repair (the most modern ship over 5000 in the Navy) and then another 1 year of repeated repairs. Well, the rest:
        - Tributs - 4 of the year flew into the repair.
        - Shaposhnikov 1,5 of the year and now for a long time (already 4 year).
  4. Marconi41
    Marconi41 24 February 2019 02: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    And where do we have such tasks?

    For example, in the Gulf of Aden. Drive pirates, show the very flag. And more is not necessary.
  5. tchoni
    tchoni 24 February 2019 08: 51 New
    0
    Yes, near the same Tartus, the sea can be smashed for the presence of watercraft "sworn friends."
  • poquello
    poquello 23 February 2019 19: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: faiver
    such vessels are very necessary there now
    - why do They need such Ships (and not ships)?

    what kind? modular?
    1. faiver
      faiver 23 February 2019 19: 59 New
      0
      modular?
      - especially when there are no modules laughing
      1. poquello
        poquello 23 February 2019 20: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: faiver
        modular?
        - especially when there are no modules laughing

        can you tell in more detail what is so funny about modules?
        1. faiver
          faiver 23 February 2019 20: 44 New
          +4
          everything is simple - there are modular ships, but there are no modules themselves and whether they will be a big question, in the end we get a ship with a displacement in 1,5th. tons with a single 76mm gun, a sort of artillery oversized boat ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 23 February 2019 22: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: faiver
            everything is simple - there are modular ships, but there are no modules themselves and whether they will be a big question, in the end we get a ship with a displacement in 1,5th. tons with a single 76mm gun, a sort of artillery oversized boat ...

            what do they mean? as I understand it, and was the main task, the trough is the same filling any
  • donavi49
    donavi49 23 February 2019 18: 42 New
    +8
    Specifically, these ships are not needed there. Two toothy Fireflies - which have overtaken from the White Sea - this is a gain.

    They will make Gyurzu both on the maneuver and on the move.

    And the composition of their weapons is better. And dynamic performance. And in general, the ship itself - more adapted will fall out of alarm on the 2-3 daily BS. And in Azov they are more comfortable.
    1. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 23 February 2019 19: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: donavi49
      They will make Gyurzu both on the maneuver and on the move.
      It’s not a matter of “gurza” ... In Odessa, 2 British tubs are hanging out - it seems like they were drawn to provocations as well. Maybe along with the "gyurzy" will be announced ... request
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 23 February 2019 21: 42 New
        +4
        And what's the difference? Pushing - 22160 = bad helper. Battles at water cannons - so there are really no water cannons. Again by. Demonstrate a threat - so again, there is nothing special, the same cannon at the Svetlyak Arkhangelsk + in Kerch has an RTO on duty on rotation, it can demonstrate more convincingly. Sink the british? So again - there are better options, of those small ships that are already part of the Black Sea Fleet.
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 27 February 2019 12: 32 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          And what's the difference? Pushing - 22160 = bad helper. Battles at water cannons - so there are really no water cannons. Again by. Demonstrate a threat - so again, there is nothing special, the same cannon at the Svetlyak Arkhangelsk + in Kerch has an RTO on duty on rotation, it can demonstrate more convincingly. Sink the british? So again - there are better options, of those small ships that are already part of the Black Sea Fleet.

          There, do not push around, but shoot faster) Only fig to kill - so that they no longer climb.
    2. Katanikotael
      Katanikotael 24 February 2019 19: 04 New
      0
      You wrote above about the killed resource of ships on patrol, but you say that these ships intended for patrolling should not be in the Black Sea flotilla ... And where should they be in the Baltic Fleet?
      The place of registration does not indicate that they will hang out in the Black Sea, it just so happened that they get closer from the Black Sea to those places where they should patrol and chase pirates.
  • Chertt
    Chertt 23 February 2019 19: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: bondrostov
    such ships are now very necessary there, especially due to the fact that Ukraine should expect provocations with the bridge.

    Project 22160 ships have completely different tasks. These are patrol ships of the far sea zone.
    Their task is to protect the interests of Russia, away from their homeland. For this, both a displacement of 1500 tons and corresponding autonomy and hangars for a helicopter and UAV. etc
    And the brothers with their pelvis and border guards deliver excellently to Russian ports. For this, the border ships of project 22460 "Hunter" are intended.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 23 February 2019 19: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Chertt
      Project 22160 ships have completely different tasks. These are patrol ships of the far sea zone.

      Duc, perhaps later some of them will be transferred to other fleets. And now, if that, and in the Mediterranean, for them, "hack" sat. yes
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 23 February 2019 19: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: Paranoid50
        And now, if that, and in the Mediterranean, for them, "hack" sat.

        About that and the conversation wink And then there are wiseacres in comments, dream to send 22160th. Sumerian violators to drive.
      2. faiver
        faiver 23 February 2019 20: 02 New
        +2
        in the Mediterranean for them, “hack work” is found.
        - can you give an example of this hack?
      3. Leopold
        Leopold 23 February 2019 20: 17 New
        +6
        Sasha hi Happy holiday hi There is a full-fledged job.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 23 February 2019 23: 10 New
          +3
          Sergey, mutually! hi Duc, and I'm talking about the same thing - I took the hack in quotes. laughing
  • Gogia
    Gogia 25 February 2019 14: 25 New
    0
    We need 22380 and 22350 and 23580 !!! And faster.
  • faiver
    faiver 23 February 2019 18: 12 New
    -5
    I do not even know whether to rejoice or grieve, useless combat unit ...
    1. Alex 2016
      Alex 2016 23 February 2019 18: 24 New
      -3
      Poachers and pirates to drive. He is not capable of more. Neither for conventional weapons, nor for RTV. But better than a traveling boat or tugboat.
      1. faiver
        faiver 23 February 2019 18: 26 New
        -2
        in the Black Sea, border guards deal with this quite successfully
      2. bondrostov
        bondrostov 23 February 2019 18: 32 New
        -2
        Well, for example, others in the Sea of ​​Azov are not needed yet you can drive Azov pirates (Ukrainian Navy) perfectly.
        1. faiver
          faiver 23 February 2019 18: 47 New
          -1
          there border reinforcements
    2. Chichikov
      Chichikov 23 February 2019 18: 29 New
      +13
      Quote: faiver
      I do not even know whether to rejoice or grieve, useless combat unit ...
      Well, yes, only we are fools ... but what the hell, in your opinion, Great Britain has begun the construction of River-2 coastal patrol ships, or maybe the international group of Damen shipyards also produces patrol vessels of the series by stupidity 2600, 2400, 1800? Maybe even the US naval experts noted our project 22160 - “a rather ingenious design” and “huge combat power with a small size”.
      The project is unique and in demand! On it, in a short time, changing the modules, you can install any weapon necessary to perform a specific combat mission. Artillery weapons consist of an automatic 76 mm gun. And as a missile can be multi-purpose "Caliber", and purely anti-ship. The draft of the ship allows it to operate not only in the open sea, but also in the bays, as well as in the channels of large rivers. Speed ​​varies from 16 knots - patrol, to 30 knots - maximum. The ship has 80 equipped berths that the crew can use — it is smaller in numbers than this figure, and also the units assigned to the ship — the marines.
      1. faiver
        faiver 23 February 2019 18: 34 New
        0
        Even US naval experts have noted our 22160 project, “a rather ingenious design” and “tremendous combat power with a small size.”
        - laughing Americans praise leads to some thoughts. This project has been discussed more than once, nothing good is in it ...
      2. Alex 2016
        Alex 2016 23 February 2019 19: 40 New
        +4
        Where are these weapons modules? According to project papers there are many of them and is described beautifully. But in real life, where? When will they be and in what quantity? Or will it be like with many more worthy ships, there is a ship, there is a place for installation, but there is no armament ... (some pr.61, 1155 and some others)
    3. 210ox
      210ox 23 February 2019 18: 30 New
      0
      Any military unit is useful. Although their purpose, and hence the armament, is doubtful. First of all, for the Black Sea, several border ships of the type “Firefly" or the same "Emerald" are needed
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 23 February 2019 19: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        First of all, for the Black Sea, several border ships of the type "Firefly" or the same "Emerald" are needed
        Border guards "work" only in their territorial waters !!!!!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 23 February 2019 19: 11 New
          +4
          I agree with you. But it is stated above that it should drown ukrolohanki. And on the Black Sea, this ship doesn’t really have much work at present outside the territorial waters. Although it is necessary to guard the same offshore platforms. funds are needed.
          1. Chichikov
            Chichikov 23 February 2019 19: 14 New
            -5
            Quote: 210ox
            Other means are necessary for "meeting on guard" of NATO ships.
            The "Caliber" available to them is enough for the Nototists to "take under the hood"!
            1. 210ox
              210ox 23 February 2019 19: 34 New
              +3
              On the “Bykov” “Gauges”? No, of course there are places for the installation of containers behind the wheelhouse ..
        2. faiver
          faiver 23 February 2019 19: 19 New
          -3
          but in the exclusive economic zone, isn't it?
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 February 2019 18: 16 New
    +3
    All ships of the series, except for the lead Vasily Bykov, on which the German MAN diesel gear units are installed, will receive diesel gear units manufactured by the Kolomensky Zavod.

    Now let MAN say thanks for the unearned profit to those who imposed sanctions. fool
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 23 February 2019 18: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Piramidon
      Now let MAN say thanks for the unearned profit to those who imposed sanctions.

      Not just introduced, but also pulled their ears to this matter ...
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 February 2019 20: 09 New
      -1
      Germans...
      They can block the faucet without any sanctions. Even to their NATO allies (as an example, Turkey)

      There was no need to contact such optional guys at all. Well, or it was necessary to introduce gigantic fines, so that it would not be offensive.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 February 2019 18: 30 New
    +1
    Zelenodolsk captured the "Gulf"?! .. Where is this world heading ?! This is a turn! ... Go crazy. Some kind of heaven will now dictate such a shipyard how to live and what to do? ...
    Our factory was captured by Pella from St. Petersburg. They themselves do nothing, and they do not give us.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 February 2019 19: 16 New
      +1
      Are you out of your mind? Or is the holiday in full swing? And it wasn't Zelenodolsk or Peter that captured it ... But Big Money. And they are in Moscow. Well, in this case, they are at least working in the right direction. Sorry if I offended you.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 23 February 2019 20: 00 New
        +4
        We are out of our minds. And the factory was squeezed out and behind the fence. From the first day. We were not needed. Assemblers, welders. Such a squiggle. What should I feed my family ?! I work alone.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 23 February 2019 20: 28 New
          +2
          What kind of plant was pressed out? It was interesting why the specialists in such industries ceased to be needed. By the way, on the “doing nothing” “Pelle” ... They are building MRCs.
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 24 February 2019 20: 27 New
            +2
            The answer is detailed. Pella rented our production facilities for the construction of its ships. It attracted us, that is, we transferred to Pella from the More factory. We sparred for 10-12 hours to fulfill the defense order 22800, and scuffled ... Now Pella informs, we do not need your services further. So, goodbye, bye! ..
            And our factory has its own portfolio of orders, but now, through Karakurt, which NO moved, and which will now stand dead weight until new brooms, we can not begin further work. And Pella did not come up with anything smarter than downsizing. First, the money was cut by s / n, the hell with him, they said nothing, survived, then on you
            Modified however.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 25 February 2019 14: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Benzorez
              And Pella did not come up with anything smarter than downsizing.

              This is called the buzzword Optimization. I wonder why our bourgeoisie do not build yachts in our factories?
  • BAI
    BAI 23 February 2019 18: 44 New
    0
    1. In light of recent events - in the Black Sea, ships with a reinforced hull are needed - for a ram.
    2.
    on which are installed Germanic MAN diesel gear units

    Probably - "German" is somehow more harmonious.
    1. Chichikov
      Chichikov 23 February 2019 19: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: BAI
      In light of recent events - in the Black Sea, ships with a reinforced hull are needed - for a ram.
      And also, to return trilineyki with a triangular bayonet ...
      1. faiver
        faiver 23 February 2019 19: 18 New
        0
        And also, to return trilineyki with a triangular bayonet ...
        - laughing good
      2. 210ox
        210ox 23 February 2019 19: 18 New
        +3
        No, ancient Roman triremes will do .. wassat
    2. Sky
      Sky 24 February 2019 10: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      1. In light of recent events - in the Black Sea, ships with a reinforced hull are needed - for a ram.
      is it that they ram each other more efficiently, like Don perforated the Emerald?)
    3. BVS
      BVS 25 February 2019 06: 25 New
      0
      From wikipedia.
      Germany (German: Deutschland), the official name is the Federal Republic of Germany (German: Bundesrepublik Deutschland), Germany (German: BRD) - a state in Central Europe.
      The Germans (German: Deutsche) - a people descended from the ancient Germans, the main population of Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Liechtenstein.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 23 February 2019 18: 58 New
    +4
    If the Americans admired, such as "the newest Russian corvette of project 22160 has a" fairly ingenious "design that provides tremendous combat power with a small size of the ship." and other praises began to sing, then this is a reason to think.
    But late. The process has begun.
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 23 February 2019 19: 10 New
    +2
    All the holiday men!
    23.02.2019
  • Galleon
    Galleon 23 February 2019 19: 11 New
    +16
    Project 22160 patrol ship. Cost - 6 billion rubles.
    weaponry
    Artillery weapons - AK-176MA with the ability to destroy sea, coastal and air targets. Ammunition - 152 shots in the tower and 152 shots in the cellar.
    For air defense and missile defense is expected use Igla-S MANPADS (set up to 8 pcs) and REP equipment.
    Radar "Positive-MK"
    For anti-sabotage defense, the project installed two remotely-controlled grenade launchers DP-65 and two 14,5 mm MTPU machine-gun mounts. The ship is also equipped with two manual anti-sabotage grenade launchers DP-64.
    On the ship declared the possibility of installing modular container armaments and equipment, including Caliber cruise missiles, but currently the fleet has no such systems, only diving containers are widely used from container equipment.
    Result: 6 billion for the radar, 1 barrel 76mm and 2pcs. 14.5mm machine gun. Decide for yourself. But if some land military man doubts the ratio of price and firepower, I will have nothing to answer as a sailor. My project 956 destroyer cost 70 million Soviet rubles, and there was something to show from my pants.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 23 February 2019 21: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Galleon
      My project 956 destroyer cost 70 million Soviet rubles

      The salary of 150 rubles was now about 70-80 thousand, that is, the ruble has changed about 467-533 times (I judge by life, not by the official rate). We multiply by 70 million and we get 32,7-37,3 billion.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 February 2019 14: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Dart2027
        The salary in 150 rubles was as now approximately 70-80 thousand,

        Interestingly you counted. Thus, we can say that today's average pension (14 thousand) is equal to 30 rubles, which in the USSR were paid to poor students.
      2. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 25 February 2019 16: 11 New
        0
        And then the AI-93 for 40 kopecks. liter smoothly turns .... Gasoline is very cheap.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 25 February 2019 16: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Ua3qhp
          And then AI-93

          Petrol prices do not interest me, I am not a driver, and the figures are taken from the calculation of the ordinary philistine life - food, clothing, rent, etc.
  • Kharkiv
    Kharkiv 23 February 2019 19: 30 New
    -2
    Fine. For the protection of the Azov and Black Sea from all kinds of measles, it suits well
    1. Prost Stas
      Prost Stas 23 February 2019 21: 04 New
      -8
      The black sea? You and him to your "native Russian lands" ... oh, the water areas ranked?
      1. Kharkiv
        Kharkiv 23 February 2019 22: 56 New
        +2
        Naturally. The original name of the Black Sea is the Russian Sea. Google before publicly disgracing
        1. Prost Stas
          Prost Stas 24 February 2019 15: 40 New
          -4
          Russian from the word Rus, and not from the word Russia, because it was called that from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries A.D. And if you have at least basic knowledge in history, you will understand that in the XNUMXth century a state called Russia did not even exist in the project ... So it would also not hurt you to get into Google before shouting "urrryayaya" ...
          1. Katanikotael
            Katanikotael 24 February 2019 18: 54 New
            -1
            The Russian Federation received all the rights to the legacy of the Soviet Union and Russia in addition to their debts, so shut up in a rag and don’t bother who owns what!
            1. Prost Stas
              Prost Stas 24 February 2019 19: 07 New
              -2
              Debts of Russia? But didn’t you write it under the Argentinean “fly”, or did I misunderstand something? By the way, you are fans of the cult of “USSR debts” that you recall at any opportunity, always very timely forget that with these preconditioned “USSR debts” you also got the territory with the largest number of resources in the world, and almost the most developed industry. Yes, the whole debate did not start because of this ... It is very interesting to hear how the Black Sea, which is declared a free shipping zone, suddenly turns out to be native Russian waters ... At such a pace, we can say that since the territory on both banks of the Bosphorus belongs to the Turks, then this is an excuse not to let your ships go to the Mediterranean
  • AAK
    AAK 23 February 2019 19: 52 New
    +10
    In Soviet times, BOD 1134 and 1135, as well as tankers up to 100 tons, were built on the Gulf. and ocean trawlers. The only question is that little remains of that Gulf for 000 Ukrainian years. On the one hand, it’s good that they even began to build such ships, on the other hand, with Project 23, it’s really possible to drive Somali barmel men as well as a ship that is useless for the fleet, almost like Galygin’s humor - and the Italians also have a tank Nina Ricci ", doesn’t drive, doesn’t shoot, but very beautiful ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2019 20: 56 New
      0
      Coast Guard ship - what you want from it.
    2. Lamatinets
      Lamatinets 23 February 2019 21: 37 New
      -3
      And the guarantor said that there is no return to socialism.
    3. Elephant
      Elephant 25 February 2019 12: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: AAK
      The only question is that little remains of that Gulf for 23 Ukrainian years.

      There was a huge dry dock at the Gulf. Everything else, starting in 2014, could be restored and modernized. But with the restoration and construction of industrial facilities in the Crimea, it’s somehow not very ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 February 2019 20: 04 New
    +2
    What a bulb of unusual shape, something like a bistatic sonar?
    1. AAK
      AAK 23 February 2019 20: 26 New
      +4
      in my opinion there is no HOOK at all, if there is, it is only weak active, so there are no anti-submarine weapons on the ship itself ...
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 23 February 2019 23: 01 New
        -1
        If it is fully modular, then depending on the task to be solved, you can put everything or almost everything, but most likely PLO is really not his hypostasis.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 23 February 2019 21: 04 New
    +2
    Project 22160 patrol ships are Russian patrol ships of a modular type, a distant sea zone, developed in the Northern Design Bureau and built at the A. Gorky Zelenodolsk Plant to replenish the naval fleet of Russia.

    In terms of characteristics and tasks, the ships of the project are close to multifunctional offshore patrol vessels (OPV, MSOPV), which are popular recently in many fleets of the world.

    Designed for patrolling the protection of territorial waters, patrolling the 200-mile exclusive economic zone in open and closed seas, stopping smuggling and piracy, searching and assisting victims of maritime disasters, environmental monitoring of the environment in peacetime, guarding ships and ships at the crossing by sea, as well as naval bases and water areas in order to warn of an attack by various enemy forces and equipment - in wartime, as well as operations in the distant sea and ocean zones.


    This is from Wiki, in my opinion a good patrol ship and can fight with pirates and guard the base in Syria, while other ships replenish supplies and crews rest.
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  • Lamatinets
    Lamatinets 23 February 2019 21: 35 New
    0
    Yes, it remains only to applaud, and the fleet will increase. and give Crimeans a job and a nose to whom whom we morn. Now, with completion, you wouldn’t be tempted.
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 23 February 2019 22: 58 New
    +3
    The Kerch plant "Bay" is reborn! Thank God! Under the years of power, the non-independent people disappeared and almost disappeared. Glad for Kerch! I remember in Soviet times what ships and ships they built, how life was in full swing.
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 23 February 2019 23: 27 New
    0
    GOOD LUCK TO YOU Sailors!
  • Grievous
    Grievous 24 February 2019 06: 07 New
    0
    Where are the Gauges?
    1. next322
      next322 24 February 2019 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Grievous
      Where are the Gauges?

      on exhibition mock-ups
  • viktor.
    viktor. 24 February 2019 09: 04 New
    +1
    The construction of the entire series of these ships dragged on due to import substitution of the power plant. (Good news!) The mind can not understand Russia! and it is TRUE. Russia is building the world's best nuclear power plants around the world, building some of the best in the world Airplanes, Submarine fleet, Leading in space and purchasing Primitive Gearboxes and Internal Combustion Engines Abroad!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 24 February 2019 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: viktor.
      Mind does not understand Russia

      With the collapse of the USSR, their production was abroad.
      1. Demagogue
        Demagogue 24 February 2019 09: 30 New
        0
        It's a pity Mina was banned, it would be much more fun in this thread))
  • BVS
    BVS 25 February 2019 06: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Separ DNR
    So the Crimean shipyards have earned, and it pleases no less than the descent of the ship itself.

    https://zalivkerch.com/

    So maybe you need to do it easier - just give these shipyards money. And that’s all!
  • Elephant
    Elephant 25 February 2019 11: 53 New
    0
    In the Kerch Gulf, even larger ships used to make icebreakers, tankers, bulk carriers. They have a big enough dry dock there. There are also capacities for the construction of warships and boats in Feodosia and Sevastopol. It is necessary to modernize production and give more orders to Crimea!
  • YOUR
    YOUR 25 February 2019 13: 44 New
    0
    Why have we stopped building ocean ships?
    1. Desperado
      Desperado 25 February 2019 16: 14 New
      +1
      If in a nutshell, long and expensive. Current repairs last from 4 to 7 years. Lack of capacity, personnel, equipment, a bunch of intermediaries, a curve of logistics, this list can still be continued. The result is visible: we do not build above the frigate, only modernizations and repairs ...
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 26 February 2019 03: 54 New
        +1
        For that, there are how many victorious online broadcasts.