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Our PMCs to Syria!

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Our PMCs to Syria!
This is suggested by the former deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the Siberian military district, Major General Kanchukov, who is now in possession and awaiting dismissal.

We are participants of the fourth world war.

The goal of this war is to own the world, and above all Russia, in the interests of the “golden billion”.

Like the Second World War, to ensure it, it was necessary to create a bridgehead in the form of capturing the territory of European countries, and the Third World War, when having isolated the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries, the rulers of the world began to destroy it from the inside, and now, to complete the process of mastering the world need to perform certain actions.

And these actions are actions to isolate Russia, first depriving it of the only support in the Middle East - Syria, then cracking down on Iran, ensuring access from the south to the borders of Russia.

Thus, along the entire perimeter of Russia's borders from the Barents Sea to China, NATO will control the situation by deploying bases and positions of missile defense. After such actions, Russia will be fully placed under the dependence of the United States and NATO.

To avoid participation in the fourth world Russia, it is necessary to prevent the defeat of Syria, as its outpost.

The introduction of troops into Syria can be perceived by the world community at the suggestion of the United States ambiguously.

But there is another great option, you only need to delve into stories and modernity, compare and execute everything.

My suggestion is simple.

Arrange the United States in Syria, the second Vietnam.

To do this, urgently create in Russia a private military company (PMC), attracting there already dismissed military personnel. To solve in the shortest possible time all legal issues through the State Duma. I think that all factions will support this proposal unanimously.

By concluding a contract between Syrian President Bashar Asad and the President of the private complex “Holy Russia” (this is a figurative offer that can, in my opinion, unite all), the Syrian army is provided with assistance in neutralizing terrorist, illegal armed groups and providing armed assistance in the fight against aggressors and invaders on the territory of Syria.

To arm PMCs with the most advanced weapons, including long, medium and short range air defense systems, airplanes, helicopters, armored vehicles, special weapons and equipment. PMCs can take on leasing, and easy to acquire on loans.

The most significant problem is that in Russia there is no such organization already prepared, and it will need to be created as soon as possible. Here we need special people with great combat and organizational experience. Undoubtedly, there will be such.

Thus, several strategic objectives will be solved:

Russia, without violating international standards, will ensure the sustainability of President Bashar Assad.
It will be delayed as long as possible, and I am sure that it will neutralize the threat of the spread of the Fourth World War to the territory of Russia.
With the help of professionals who are not needed by Russia now, he will check the real situation with the country's defense capability, using new and newest weapons in real conditions.
As a true participant in the world process and a country claiming leadership in this process, it neutralizes the threat of a war in Iran.
Interrupt the chain of plans for the color revolutions.
Neutralizes the internal threat associated with the "fifth column".
Raise its prestige on a global scale as a country capable of not only speaking, but also acting adequately.


Well, are you already going to sign up in this PMC? Who does not go, he pays taxes on its operations, the purchase of weapons and so on.
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  1. esaul
    esaul 17 June 2012 08: 15
    +66
    The thought that arose in the heads of many of the members of the forum, but has not yet decided on a specific form, was expressed, finally, by an experienced personnel officer and conveyed to us by Denis Makrushin.
    As you know, in war, all means are good and why do we need to give up such as the participation of OUR PMCs from the events in Syria? It would not be reasonable and not far-sighted. And all the problems "ala-Vietnam" for our sworn friends would be a very suitable present!
    1. Liberal
      Liberal 17 June 2012 08: 32
      -24
      Mokrushin put it with the tag "marasmus" as you can easily verify by following the link laughing

      http://twower.livejournal.com/819263.html

      he directly criticizes this idiotic idea laughing
      "A thought that originated in the heads of many" - many need to be treated for sure ... PMCs on starships with lasers! Including giant ekranoplanes, long, medium and short-range air defense systems, airplanes, helicopters and gyroplanes. It is good that Putin is a sane, responsible person and will not rock the boat in this way by substituting the country.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        17 June 2012 08: 52
        +17
        Yes, someone does not say that PMCs will be arranged for Amers Ales Kaput, you just need to crush the Ulug market and earn money on it, and for one you can push some of your geopolitical projects on their poles. PMCs are good to drive the rebels but no more. None of the PMCs can cope with the regular army, and even this is unnecessary.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 17 June 2012 10: 00
          +31
          PMCs are good to drive the rebels but no more. None of the PMCs can cope with the regular army, and even this is unnecessary.

          If PMCs will be formed from the employees of the retired and dispersed units of the same GRU over the past 5-6 years, then in Libya it is really possible to change the regime again, not to mention the help of Syria.
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            17 June 2012 10: 06
            -24
            It is possible but no more with amers will not be able. Just firepower crush numerical progress just do not say anything.
            1. Vito
              Vito 17 June 2012 14: 26
              +8
              Fighting with amers in open clashes is stupid and not reasonable, if we still decide to defend Syria openly, we just need to arrange the supply of military specialists (former or real), organize camps for volunteers in Iran, Pakistan, there would be people, and countries to find, organize the supply of the latest light weapons (MANPADS, CORNETS, Bumblebees, etc.), all that can be easily transported. Then the sky will seem like a sheepskin to Americans, IF they fit in there. IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, we adhered to neutrality, so NATO is so relatively easy there. This war will be long, but the victory will be ours, IF our government decides to do it!
              1. lotus04
                lotus04 17 June 2012 14: 38
                +9
                Quote: Vito
                Fighting with amers in open clashes is stupid and not reasonable,


                Yes! Judging by their artwork. With a fantastic slant.
                1. Vito
                  Vito 17 June 2012 15: 41
                  +3
                  lotus04 (1)
                  Quote: lotus04
                  Yes! Judging by their artwork. With a fantastic slant.

                  The article talks about the formation of semi-sabotage units that are ready to fight in third world countries on a semi-legal basis. Initially, they will not be able to resist the American regular units (this is a no brainer). These partisan units are preparing primarily for active covert opposition, preparing the local population for partisan actions and a long exhausting war. And the fiction of AMEROV is really good. Star Wars watched?
                  1. re321
                    re321 17 June 2012 15: 52
                    -27
                    Vito - Ahaha
                    "on the formation of semi-sabotage units ready to fight in third world countries on a semi-legal basis." - this pearl deserves for the Hero of the Day and the egregious fact of the absolute misunderstanding by its author of the topic under discussion ... A real "professional" in all kinds of sciences laughing
                    1. Vito
                      Vito 17 June 2012 16: 01
                      +3
                      re321Well, let's listen to you, a real "professional", state your thoughts. WHAT do you specifically propose at this difficult hour for SYRIA. Only the input of regular parts (in huge quantities) do not offer. it is not interesting! By the way, can you understand the difference between army regular specialists and private ones with a hired bias? The scenarios of military operations are proposed, when NATO members WILL ALREADY BE IN SYRIA.
                      1. smile
                        smile 17 June 2012 17: 28
                        +6
                        VitoYes, he doesn’t have any thoughts - one, but a fiery passion - how to dodge it and throw something negative about Russia. In his rotten soul there is nothing but Russophobia, so don’t pay attention to him.
                      2. Vito
                        Vito 17 June 2012 17: 50
                        +5
                        smile , Greetings. drinks Yes, I wanted to talk with this comrade, so to speak, in a constructive manner, but in my opinion, he can offer nothing more than HA-HA-HA! This is probably due to a small vocabulary and the inability of analytical thinking. It’s not interesting with you re321 goodbye
                      3. Oleg the Great
                        Oleg the Great 17 June 2012 23: 30
                        0
                        When the NATO will be in Syria-it is useless to meddle there
                      4. edge
                        edge 19 June 2012 17: 14
                        +1
                        yes ........ when the cards are confused, everyone starts to fever, the headquarters are sewn up, and if you cut the connection, Ales Kaput, nicht schizent. drinks
                      5. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                        Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 17: 10
                        0
                        To confuse the cards, we must weigh something ourselves .... We’ll kill agents of influence in the government, and not only in the government .. then we can play the Big Game. Watch the movie Doom of the Empire. Instructive. Well, and how are you going to play in the devastation of the Kyrgyz Republic ????
                      6. Gleb Lukich
                        Gleb Lukich 18 June 2012 02: 15
                        -4
                        WHAT do you specifically offer at this difficult time for SYRIA

                        A sip of life-giving euthanasia. drinks
                      7. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                        Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 17: 06
                        0
                        And what is the difference between an Army contractor and a PMC contractor ???? Only the fact that Armeec represents some kind of Power .....
                    2. boris.uryadkin
                      boris.uryadkin 17 June 2012 19: 42
                      0
                      In Vietnam, our specialists put it on their ears, and we learned something from the Vietnamese.
                  2. lotus04
                    lotus04 17 June 2012 17: 37
                    +6
                    Quote: Vito
                    The article talks about the formation of semi-sabotage units that are ready to fight in third world countries on a semi-legal basis


                    It says - Arming PMCs with the most advanced weapons, including air defense systems of large, medium and short range, aircraft, helicopters, armored vehicles, special weapons and equipment.

                    I do not think that units possessing such weapons will not be able to withstand. And the language doesn’t turn around, with such weapons, to call them illegal, semi-sabotage units. Let them call them what they want.
                    1. Vito
                      Vito 17 June 2012 18: 04
                      +1
                      lotus04 (1)Hello hello, I understand that the author of the article wants something to oppose the Anglo-Saxons who have developed. BUT the creation of a small and even not badly armed mini-army is simply a utopia and it will simply not be able to confront its disparate units in open battle to regular NATO troops! Only partisan actions with good light weapons can gradually bring down arrogance from the Amer. drinks But this is a long song.
                      1. Yura
                        Yura 17 June 2012 19: 56
                        +4
                        Quote: Vito
                        BUT the creation of a small and even not badly armed mini-army is simply a utopia and it will simply not be able to confront its disparate units in open battle to regular NATO troops! Only partisan actions with good light weapons can gradually bring down arrogance from the Amer.
                        Here you yourself wrote in an open battle, I would assume that NATO members in no case will allow an open battle, because this is their death. And yet "partisan actions will knock down arrogance" from these warriors much earlier, if in each city we leave a platoon of our guys with weapons on a regiment, with the most modern means of communication, and as it was said above with other things necessary for the conduct of hostilities, then around them very quickly organized groups of self-defense or partisans, or whatever you want to call it, but people who care what will happen to their country will come and stand next to our soldiers. I am writing and suddenly I thought, what if they won’t get up, well, then you have to throw them to hell and leave because in that case they do not deserve the blood of our people.
                      2. survivor
                        survivor 17 June 2012 22: 59
                        +2
                        that is how the inter brigades in Spain were organized. torn by anarchy, not disciplined, weakly armed, but arrogant, they appointed "! volunteers!" from among the officers who arrived from the USSR. a month later, some could withstand the rebel units (army units).
                      3. edge
                        edge 19 June 2012 17: 17
                        0
                        yes, a foreign legion are girls from a support group ........
                    2. Korvin
                      Korvin 17 June 2012 20: 28
                      +5
                      The author went too far with armored vehicles and airplanes. There would be no such purposes for the Syrian army and professional operators would have had enough of this. The second correction is that it would be better to buy PMC weapons through neutral countries so that they wouldn’t legally get undermined a screech about a “red coup” will begin, and the third, PMCs not bound by any territorial laws, first let them clean up the camps for preparing seams in the territories of neighboring states where the Syrian cannot army so that the thugs once and for all passed the desire to be recruited into the rebels ...
                      1. Sandov
                        Sandov 17 June 2012 22: 40
                        +3
                        Korvin,
                        By the way, the idea is good, why did the Syrians themselves think about it +++++
                  3. serjio777
                    serjio777 17 June 2012 18: 54
                    +3
                    The article talks about the formation of semi-sabotage units that are ready to fight in third world countries on a semi-legal basis.

                    And nefig hiding to introduce regular troops gathered from retired professionals.

                    What we lose is a smile mrs Clinton.
                  4. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                    Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 17: 02
                    0
                    You do not know much about PMCs! These are NOT small DRGs !! These are full-fledged ARMYs with unlimited funding and supplies, in fact, not burdened with ANY norms .... Look that right now there is the same Heh !! Small forces? - they * yazh imagine "SMALL" - only at one base in the US about a regiment !! And they have such bases all over the globe ... and they are recruiting people like the Foreign Legion - from all over the world ... including from Ukraine. But this is the MOST famous ... and there are others ...
                2. serjio777
                  serjio777 17 June 2012 18: 51
                  +2
                  Unfortunately, their art is compensated by the corruption of some of our generals. They would be far away, and there amers we do not care.
                3. Krusko
                  Krusko 18 June 2012 19: 16
                  0
                  Para-war formations and in truth can not be drawn from the Red Army. There is a possibility only for a guerrilla war .. but this is not always the desired result ... However, the level of preparedness is of great importance ...
                  1. edge
                    edge 19 June 2012 17: 24
                    0
                    you are an example in 1812, Napoleon barely carried away his legs, and the French gene pool remained to fertilize the Russian land. Almost a third of his army was destroyed by partisans ............. here's an example of the confrontation between regular units and paramilitary groups and it’s not unique
              2. Homo
                Homo 17 June 2012 14: 50
                +2
                And who said that PMCs will compete with amers. It was about fighting the "colored" revolutionaries. And the amers will still think about sending their regular units against PMCs. They have not forgotten Vietnam and Korea yet.
                1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                  Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 17: 15
                  0
                  They will not send - there will be RUNT on their land. There are the same problems for the very tomatoes .... (they send them their human garbage! The last President who fought was Kenedy. He still knew what war was. After the "elite", it had not played enough.
              3. kulpin
                kulpin 17 June 2012 18: 17
                +1
                Quote: Vito
                IF our power decides on IT!

                Are you still hoping?
              4. serjio777
                serjio777 17 June 2012 18: 46
                +4
                It seems to me if such a venture should be there (officially) before the amers and NATO. Then their invasion will be considered as a declaration of war us with all the consequences, and this will probably be the bloodless way to stop the slaughter.
                Only it is necessary to solve quickly time does not tolerate.
                1. edge
                  edge 19 June 2012 17: 29
                  0
                  a declaration of war is carried out either at the diplomatic level, by transmitting a government statement, or by a direct attack on state entities ...
              5. Oleg the Great
                Oleg the Great 17 June 2012 23: 27
                +2
                Amer is extremely reluctant to go to open clashes.
              6. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 16: 57
                0
                It will not be decided .... And the power is really yours ??? ...
            2. Homo
              Homo 17 June 2012 14: 47
              0
              What are you fixated on the "superiority" of amers. Who's stopping to raise the number of PMCs to 1-2 million and equip everything that we have in service.
              1. re321
                re321 17 June 2012 15: 55
                -12
                homo,
                "Who is stopping us from raising the number of PMCs to 1-2 million and equipping everything that we have in our arsenal" - ahah, do you even understand what you are writing about? laughing
                Russian general corruption will prevent the creation of such structures, but for the amount you have indicated - I giggle generally, are you familiar with the material and financial basis for the formation of such units?
                1. serjio777
                  serjio777 17 June 2012 19: 01
                  +5

                  re321

                  are you familiar with the material and financial basis for the formation of such units?

                  Are you familiar with the fact that there are situations when people don’t remember about money?
                2. Sandov
                  Sandov 17 June 2012 22: 43
                  +4
                  re321,
                  We will deal with the corruption you introduced in Russia, with traitors and rats more complicated. since they are hiding under the guise of liberals and shit. But Syria’s help is needed, oh, how needed. Crusaders with hangers-on at the threshold of their MOTHERLAND.
              2. Korvin
                Korvin 17 June 2012 20: 38
                +3
                Where do we get 2 million specialists if our army still cannot reach the millionth one? And if we have 2 million pros then why our army does not consist of them and not because of ..... conscripts ???
                1. survivor
                  survivor 17 June 2012 23: 02
                  +1
                  because contain an army of specialists. jeopardize the government itself. easier to recruit boys and inspire, make them go into battle
                2. edge
                  edge 19 June 2012 17: 33
                  0
                  our military duty lasts up to 50 years, count how many people we can collect if necessary .......
            3. andrklimanov
              andrklimanov 17 June 2012 22: 10
              +1
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              Not a single PMC can handle a regular army

              but they can carry out "pinpoint" operations on the territory of other countries without "casting a shadow" on Russia
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              with amers will not be able. Just firepower crush numerical progress just do not say anything.

              and if all this is done on their territory in America? thighs will suppress laughing
              1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 18: 23
                0
                negative Hey guys alright, you are sweeping fairy tales !!!! Well, remember what the 21 SAS regiment is doing (in my opinion) !! Yes, correctly organizing a virtually subversive partisan movement (the same PMC) !!! Do you think that they are armed and methodically trained worse than regular troops ???? Why so sure that PMCs are pathetic partisan groups. You are confused with chop. And for PMCs are (always, only at different distances) STATES !!!! (it’s not in vain that PMCs are registered in the USA ONLY if PMCs register in their charter an obligation to protect US interests)
                THIS is the same army, but not under the state ....
          2. Volkhov
            Volkhov 17 June 2012 15: 58
            -11
            All the nearly dismissed GRU are in the Russian Federation, but they will not change the regime in any way, they only criticize Taburetkin, what kind of Libya and Syria are there, and protecting their own units from dispersal is unrealistic.
            Iran defends Syria, Nazis defend Iran - that is, you offer to help them? What was your name? If the Nazis are unpleasant in some way, then it is not necessary to leave Russia, they are there, find and fight, if there is someone left for analysis, a conclusion will appear that the war begins in the design bureau, and that it should work for it to work whole system like theirs.
            1. smile
              smile 17 June 2012 17: 33
              +8
              Volkhov
              Your complaints about that. that the retirees have not yet tore our country in a civil war is incomprehensible. The result can be only one - the collapse of the country into fragments controlled by external forces. Residues will eke out a miserable existence. Do you really crave such a development? It’s strange. If it seems to you that it cannot be worse, you are mistaken. It is enough to look back at 12-13 years.
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 17 June 2012 18: 06
                +2
                Quote: smile
                Your complaints about that. that the retirees have not yet torn our country

                Vladimir, it’s impossible to communicate with him on a normal wave. He has so many cockroaches in his head that the devil himself will break his leg. Do not waste your time.
                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 17 June 2012 18: 43
                  +2
                  Well, what kind of minusers on the site wound up? What kind of rat tricks? angry
                  1. smile
                    smile 17 June 2012 18: 47
                    +3
                    Fox 070
                    It’s such a moron’s flash mob - they’re not able to give an argument, so they operate with their miserable minuses ... Spit and grind. But Volkhov really behaves as if sitting on wheels.
                    1. Fox 070
                      Fox 070 17 June 2012 18: 53
                      -2
                      Quote: smile
                      sits on wheels.

                      Apparently, yes! Really, his posts, if not from this world. Apparently, the site was also confused, like that girl with ads.
              2. Volkhov
                Volkhov 17 June 2012 21: 44
                0
                Commentary is an answer to the thesis that PMCs from the GRU can change the regime somewhere (in Libya) - it cannot, even if this miracle is gathered, because they don’t have an understanding of what’s going on, Minin and Pozharsky can’t be seen there, but initially, obedient people who follow any order were selected there. Under Brezhnev, tanks were made, while under Gorbachev and beyond, they were butchered, service was in progress. It is enough to give the opportunity to participate in the sale of military property, and the country sideways.
                People with a civilian position ended in 87, and without solving common issues, solving private issues is impossible.
              3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 18: 37
                0
                Yeah look sho done in Ukraine Khazars 2: people are dying with such intensity as they lost troops in the Russian Federation in the Chechen war. As soon as signs of stability began to appear (under Kuchma), a pack of s worked and "Kuchma Get" came from the USA ... and ZHO PA came !! The "orange" killed the remnants of the industry, the "regionals" finished off it and destroyed the health care system (did you hear that hospitals and schools are closed in Ukraine? people are mowing worse than an epidemic. The prosecutor's office and the state only stimulate this) Remains of resources are quickly eaten, in a year - another will be hungry. Unemployment plummets upward (I have 2 higher education and cannot find a job). The West is pitted against the East, when there is famine, it will explode in earnest. There is also the Chernobyl radioactive storage facility. materials in containers made in the USA. Do you know sho tse take ??? So in the USA, no one is happy with waste in them - bad ones without US specialists and constant work - self-destruct. Chernobyl 2. For you, the Russian Federation - a nuclear strike without nuclear missile bombs. They removed their specialists from Chernobyl (well, at least because of the civil war) and time went by - a hidden blow to the Russian Federation, Belarus, and the locals will be mowed down ...
                Well, is there much worse ?????
            2. serjio777
              serjio777 17 June 2012 19: 05
              +2
              Iran defends Syria, Nazis defend Iran

              Maybe not the Nazis and the nationalists? All the same, far from the same ...
            3. esaul
              esaul 17 June 2012 19: 43
              +1
              Quote: Volkhov
              Iran defends Syria, Nazis defend Iran - that is, you offer to help them? What was your name? If the Nazis are unpleasant in some way, then it is not necessary to leave Russia, they are there, find and fight, if there is someone left for analysis, a conclusion will appear that the war begins in the design bureau, and that it should work for it to work whole system like theirs.

              From such an abundance of tricks..x conclusions, my roof blows ... The heat in 30 degrees apparently affects. Sorry - I’m not mastering, colleague ...
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 17 June 2012 19: 49
                +1
                Quote: esaul
                Sorry - I’m not mastering, colleague ...

                laughing In order to master them you need absinthe and a hookah ... drinks
              2. Volkhov
                Volkhov 17 June 2012 22: 40
                -1
                Quote: esaul
                Sorry - I’m not mastering, colleague ...




                Is it clear with pictures, or should I try?
                1. serjio777
                  serjio777 18 June 2012 00: 10
                  0
                  Interesting.....
            4. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 18: 26
              0
              Heh, but Jewish fascism is like ???? And yet, you don’t care that Pupkin takes a photo with them (Khabadniki) ... so you don’t have to build a sly thing out of yourself ...
            5. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 18: 46
              0
              belay Smoked, for sure. am
          3. Fidain
            Fidain 24 June 2012 23: 40
            -1
            Chto delaet vishoe komandovonia dazhe ono ne ponimaet, taki resursi vbrosivat na veter.eti oficeri i soldati dorozhe vsex deneg.amerika pogalayas na rebyat mene podgatovlenix shturmuet ves mir, a nashiitizizino zachem, vet ne samim oficeram ne strane eto ne nado ...
        2. DERWISH
          DERWISH 17 June 2012 12: 56
          +7
          PMCs are good at driving insurgents but no more than _________ nevertheless, it was precisely such PMCs that worked at the beginning of all military phases to establish democracy and seize territories and oil resources by American and European bandits
        3. Cadet787
          Cadet787 18 June 2012 10: 56
          +1
          Alexey Prikazchikov. [Hide] [/ hide]
          And who prevents creating PMCs for Syria on the model and likeness of regular troops, as an exception.
        4. edge
          edge 19 June 2012 17: 09
          0
          and taking into account the fact that the European armies sit out on the blocks, and in the places of deployment ..........., only a few reconnaissance groups go wild, you can safely work.
        5. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
          Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 16: 53
          0
          There is a radical difference between PMCs and the Army: behind the army is always the STATE !!! There is someone to blame. And who is behind the PMC ???? Yes, no one !!! Well, the workers of ChernoyVoda thundered a couple of hundred of the population, well, they chided them, well, they changed the signboard to He ... and that's all ... And for education, think: why did the USA provoke a "war on terrorism" after all, this is just a METHOD of fighting the weak side against the strong !! With such success they could have fought well, say, with machine gunners, or with those who shoot from pistols .... It seems that a guerrilla war (essentially a terrorist one) is the only effective and systematized method of fighting the Small Forces with the Big (invaders) and PMCs here practically The ONLY method of fighting partisans. Why?? Because so far, no one except the fascists in the USSR and (I can be mistaken) Britain in Afghanistan EFFECTIVELY fought the partisans. And the methods are brutal and compromising at the international level. This is where PMCs are needed - not related to the STATE ...
          And the fighting qualities of PMCs are almost the same as in the Army (even more), you just need to compare the identical .....
      2. vlechin
        vlechin 17 June 2012 09: 02
        +13
        Putin is sane and therefore he hinted at the creation of PMCs himself.
        1. re321
          re321 17 June 2012 15: 57
          +1
          vlechin,
          ahaha - smart Putin only hinted, and the "stupid" Americans have CREATED 15 years ago!
          Do you feel the difference? laughing
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 17 June 2012 22: 46
            +3
            re321,
            Well, Russia did not deal with your rat affairs around the world. Seeking help for the people of Syria encourages this,
        2. JonnyT
          JonnyT 20 June 2012 09: 25
          0
          This is when he hinted ??? one thing to scratch your tongue - another to create!
      3. esaul
        esaul 17 June 2012 09: 14
        +19
        Quote: Liberal.
        PMCs on starships with lasers! Including giant ekranoplanes, air defense systems of large, medium and short range, aircraft, helicopters and gyroplanes

        You made me laugh nicely, Liberal. That you immediately have the association of "Star Wars" at the mention of PMCs. You need to get involved in Hollywood less ... The most urgent task of Russian PMCs (if they suddenly show up and rush to work in Syria) is to help your idols get bogged down in Syria for a long time. Then your totem poles (idiots. Anyway - a tree) will have no time for arts in other parts of the world, and self-confidence will diminish. And you can't get the same benefits as from the Afghan occupation in Syria - poppy plantations are not in the mentality of the Syrians.
        Quote: Liberal.
        It is good that Putin is a sane, responsible person and will not rock the boat in this way substituting the country.


        Do you think - is afraid? Laugh even more! That is when he makes his speeches, all Western politicians and their journalistic staff are sitting huddled and scribbled in their notebooks, there is a lot of things to do, so as not to contradict this "dictator", "God forbid!"
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 17 June 2012 11: 22
          0
          Quote: esaul
          You made me laugh nice, Liberal

          They have such a job - people laugh1
      4. Khan93
        Khan93 17 June 2012 09: 36
        +10
        It is good that Putin is a sane, responsible person and will not rock the boat in this way substituting the country.


        Tell me, are you an adequate person? We lost Libya because of the indecision of the leadership of Russia. We have allowed bloodshed in this country.

        With Syria, we should not get so screwed up and the proposal with PMCs is more than a worthy idea.
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor 17 June 2012 09: 51
          +6
          Quote: Khan93
          We lost Libya due to the indecision of the Russian leadership

          We lost Libya - because of a handful of the filthy Orange Traitors of Libya, Judah, who made a revolution with his own hands, and surrendered the country to Amer on a silver platter.
          Therefore, the main question now in Syria is the internal problems - the problems of the rebels-Jude and other mercenaries. Which rock the country, revolution, capture strategic zones and objects.
          If there weren’t them - ... if Amer would venture into Syria - too much loss would be huge.
          As long as there are rebels - the probability of Nata's invasion is huge. And if in the near future it will not be possible to transfer all this Shameful Judean Orange Syria, then the Amers will come. They will come to the ruins. Everything is like in Libya. On a silver platter.
          And actually - Russia - can do little. Imagine what can be done if the whole country is in chaos! And people - all armed - already do not know themselves - who is their own, who is a stranger and what they need at all. Explosions, shooting, and all that. Nothing works, collapse of everything. Like in Libya. Or Egypt.
          Therefore, it is now necessary - until it is late - to assist the Syrian authorities in suppressing the rebels. In their physical destruction. Otherwise, then - there will simply be nobody to render it. And we’ll climb later - we ourselves will be declared aggressors. And the Amerians - the victorious rebels - will naturally be best friends.
          Therefore, I repeat - the IMPORTANT thing now is not to be afraid of the Amer’s armed invasion - it won’t be - The main thing is to soak all this ... filthy, because of which - actually all the fuss.
          1. Khan93
            Khan93 17 June 2012 09: 54
            +7
            Therefore, it is now necessary - until it is late - to assist the Syrian authorities in suppressing the rebels. In their physical destruction. Otherwise, then - there will simply be nobody to render it. And we climb - we ourselves become aggressors.


            In general, I had this in mind that it was necessary to help Gaddafi, and not to shake his tongue at the UN Security Councils. And now history is repeating itself, we will not intervene - Assad’s end, peaceful people’s end, chaos will reign under the leadership of NATO, the USA and a handful of loud-minded Muslim fanatics.
          2. party3AH
            party3AH 17 June 2012 12: 18
            0
            Quote: Neighbor
            Therefore, it is now necessary - until it is late - to assist the Syrian authorities in suppressing the rebels. In their physical destruction. Otherwise, then - there will simply be nobody to render it. And we’ll climb later - we ourselves will be declared aggressors. And the Amerians - the victorious rebels - will naturally be best friends.
            Therefore, I repeat - the IMPORTANT thing now is not to be afraid of the Amer’s armed invasion - it won’t be - The main thing is to soak all this ... filthy, because of which - actually all the fuss.

            Well, it’s possible to soak, although it’s difficult, there, too, collective farmers didn’t pick up the forks, and professional mercenaries who participated in more than one conflict, both Serbs and Turks, and the British and French, here we’ll bang them and that’s where the info is in the news 8 citizens of France (experts in oil compressors) were brutally murdered by Assad supporters, or 12 British (specialists in mineral fertilizers) disappeared into territories controlled by Assad’s troops, they won’t say in the news that they were taken with weapons, but they will present them as civilians, and they will introduce rescue teams for their svobozhdeniya under cover of NATO air.
            1. radikdan79
              radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 22
              +2
              party3AH,
              for sure. in terms of information warrior, opponents have considerable experience
            2. kulpin
              kulpin 17 June 2012 18: 26
              +1
              Fear of newspapers - do not go to the forest.
              1. party3AH
                party3AH 17 June 2012 18: 38
                +1
                Quote: kulpin

                Fear of newspapers - do not go to the forest.

                Unfortunately, rotten information does its job, the same 08,08,08. the whole of Europe screamed that Russia would be crushed by sanctions if the troops did not withdraw from Georgia, now information is also a weapon, depending on how and to whom it is presented, do not dismiss it.
                1. kulpin
                  kulpin 17 June 2012 22: 13
                  -1
                  The scream, of course, was from the heart. But there is a small nuance here. There is no ultimate weapon. And the informational one also has a weak point. Yes, net and high-speed communication are good for orange revolutions, but the other side is difficult to control. It was enough to stand just a few days and materials on the Web began to squeeze propaganda bullshit. This magazine can be bought by ALL TO ONE, which is the condition for a successful info-operation, and versatile fragmentary everyday lighting still adds up to an objective picture. It takes political will and determination. If they exist, the "ideological superstructure" will bend.
                  1. party3AH
                    party3AH 18 June 2012 07: 42
                    0
                    Quote: kulpin
                    This magazine can be redeemed ALL TO ONE, which is the condition for a successful info-operation, and versatile fragmentary domestic lighting is still added up to an objective picture.

                    Do not forget that most magazines are nowhere more corrupt, well, you bought some sort of Brian, he will write that we are fair and handsome, in general, and this Brian under the pseudonym Jones but on the other side will dunk us in kakakhi and blame us for all the grave, I’m the fact that the information presented on time can do no less harm than a specific assault on a military unit.
                    1. kulpin
                      kulpin 22 June 2012 18: 07
                      0
                      You, apparently, did not understand me. I'm talking about that, that in the current conditions there is no need to buy or re-purchase the "second oldest".
                      The network is now performing the same role that Kodak played in the early XNUMXth century. Remember Mark Twain's pamphlet "King Leopold's Monologue"? The most Christian and philanthropic king of Belgium Leopold is very sad about the fact that he bought up the entire European press, but here it is completely out of place, this "toy" appears and the whole world can see the hills of severed hands in the Belgian Congo. What a shame ... for European humanists.
              2. esaul
                esaul 17 June 2012 19: 47
                0
                Quote: kulpin
                Fear of newspapers - do not go to the forest.

                Andrey, welcome. Proverb - good I'll take a note ...
                1. kulpin
                  kulpin 17 June 2012 22: 15
                  0
                  It can be strengthened: do not go for the bush.
          3. re321
            re321 17 June 2012 16: 08
            -5
            Neighbor ,
            hahaha, and if I’m an honest and not corrupt Sunni Muslim who has absolutely nothing to do with either Al Qaeda or the CIA - I just wish there were fair and open elections to the Syrian authorities, and accordingly, who will win them, he will rule in the country! Or did it never cross your mind? laughing
            1. Tomato
              Tomato 17 June 2012 17: 12
              +3
              and if I am an honest and not corrupt Sunni Muslim, absolutely not connected either with al-Qaida or the CIA - and I just wish there were fair and open elections to the Syrian authorities

              Well, I do not believe in your honesty and incorruptibility, Mr. "Muslim Sunit".
              Most likely you are either a mercenary or intimidated by the same mercenary.
              Is my idea clear?
            2. RUSSIA75
              RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 18: 23
              +5
              Quote: re321
              hahaha, and if I’m an honest and not corrupt Sunni Muslim who has absolutely nothing to do with either Al Qaeda or the CIA - I just wish there were fair and open elections to the Syrian authorities, and accordingly, who will win them, he will rule in the country! Or did it never cross your mind?

              The elections to the People’s Council (Parliament) of Syria ended on May 8 this year !!! The people made their choice! Oh yeah, I forgot, now moaning will begin that the elections are not democratic, not fair, and in general it was Putin who came to the aid of Ashar Basad and personally threw the fake bills into the ballot boxes!
            3. kush62
              kush62 17 June 2012 19: 16
              +3
              re321 you are just a pop hapon, an ordinary provocateur.
              1. Busido
                Busido 17 June 2012 19: 31
                +3
                laughing Vernyak! Yes, darting over the huts overseas !!! That flag of Sweden, then Germany, then France. Heap small!
            4. esaul
              esaul 17 June 2012 19: 51
              +2
              Quote: re321
              ahaha, and if I am an honest and not corrupt Sunni Muslim, absolutely not connected with either Al Qaeda or the CIA - and I just wish there were honest and open elections to the power structures of Syria,

              Where did you hang around an honest and not corrupt Muslim when the elections in Syria took place? Looks at this very time in your camp for training militants on the territory of Turkey or Bosnia, they handed out a balanza, that's why you missed such an important moment in your Muslim-Sunni life. fool
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 17 June 2012 20: 31
                0
                Quote: esaul
                Where did you hang around an honest and not a bribe Muslim

                He, Valery, was sitting in Massad at a meeting!
            5. Korvin
              Korvin 17 June 2012 20: 48
              +3
              And if you are an honest patriot dissatisfied with the government, go to the polls to vote as your conscience tells you. Is the election result unsuccessful? Submit a lawsuit. And burning villages and killing everyone who disagrees with you is an excuse for an overwhelmed m ... and vrvar not for a citizen who wants the prosperity of his country.
          4. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 25 September 2012 18: 36
            +1
            Neighbor
            You are well done! good But why so many words? I think you personally have money Moscow - Damascus? You personally, together with your like-minded people, can go to Syria and create a battalion there, for starters. After all, the battalion named after "Lincoln" from the US citizens fought in Spain in 1936-38. A battalion named after "Stalin"? This is a real thing, and to call on others to go to die in Syria while sitting in front of an American-made computer is somehow not patriotic.
      5. nokki
        nokki 17 June 2012 09: 58
        -3
        Putin will not create PMCs, because then the imminent end of all oligarchic power will come!
      6. Ataturk
        Ataturk 17 June 2012 11: 39
        -17
        I once wrote here more than once that if the SYRIAN OPPOSITION go, if you think that they will demolish the Assad regime and everything will be fine, dreaming of a war HOW in Lebanon and Iraq, they think that they will live after the war in Dubai and the example of Libya, Iraq and a number of other countries did not seem to them a lesson. Here the following questions arise.

        1. Or the opposition, these are not the citizens of Syria, or rather the enemies of Syria, if they wish their country slavery and poverty. in this case, it cannot be that the whole opasia were idiots, which means they know the consequences .... I’m also sure that the crowd that is dying in Syria is mostly Syrians.

        2. Or the Assad regime is really scum. Torment your people. Better to live in slavery in the US than under the control of a DICTATOR or a Tyrant.

        I do not know anything about Assad, I just draw my conclusions.

        If the opposition is the whole people, or at least 50% of the people, then number 2 is the most realistic option. Then the question is asked ....

        Why would the Kremlin take such steps. Why torment the Syrian people?

        I once wrote here, Russia should not help Syria, they themselves must solve their internal issue. Since the Russian soldiers will begin to die in a foreign war. And I also said that the people will go against Russia. But Russia needs it ???????????

        So what I said came true



        Does Russia need this?

        If they decided to live in slavery and in poverty under the control of pen-do-owls, then the pin-up-ow flag is in their hands. If Assad is w-kind, then let others do the dirty work. There is nothing to get dirty with other people's blood.

        Who really can help them is Iran. If Iran does not help, or does not help the Assad regime by military means, then Russia has nothing to do there !!! Iran will remain an angel in the eyes of the West.

        Already in the newspapers they write that Ahmednizhad wants Israel to prosper, they say he did not say to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

        And UN observers are leaving Syria, everything says that.

        option 1
        Russia passed Assad

        option 2 spit on the UN mondat and start a war.

        Another question arises, WHY THE WEST so Assad wants to lay. I can never believe that PEN-DO-SY think of the will of the people of Syria.

        Syrian oil reserves, according to various estimates, range from 315 million to 342 million tons. NOT SO MUCH!!! According to IMF forecasts, if the decline in oil production in Syria is not stopped, and the volume of oil products consumption continues to grow, then by 2010 the country will become a net importer of “black gold” from a net exporter.

        So what is the interest of the West in Syria?
        1. Beat Iran’s interests
        2. To beat the interests of Russia?
        3. In one shot for the interests of both countries?

        The question of course is interesting !!!

        In any case, I smell gunpowder, and God forbid a war in the Caucasus or the Middle East, I'm afraid a chain reaction will occur. Caught by everyone !!!!
        Or maybe the 3rd world!

        Regards Omar
        1. Kamilla
          Kamilla 17 June 2012 13: 45
          -2
          Quote: Ataturk
          Or maybe the 3rd world!


          quite possibly .... and there is the end of the world ((((
        2. El13
          El13 17 June 2012 13: 47
          +2
          Following your logic, you must close your eyes to everything that happens beyond national borders, because these are the affairs of the peoples who live there. This would be correct if there were no other forces that interfere in the affairs of these peoples. So here in Moscow we are speaking out against the authorities, and also not without replenishment because of the mound. Yes, without weapons, thank God. But the slogans of these speeches do not express the desires of the whole people, but only the handfuls who speak out, and most of them cannot take any slogans to the streets. Therefore, the excerpt you cited does not carry any information, except for the next move in the propaganda war on the one hand. As for the UN, it is also impossible to call their representatives independent experts, there are none, all representatives belong to one or another camp of interests and protect them, while some decency is respected so that it is clearly not visible, although it is so obvious whose majority is in the UN .
          And how should a peaceful people decide their fate if gangs of newcomer mercenaries with weapons are operating in the country, and the legitimate authority is at war with them? Sign up for volunteers or boiling pots on the heads of militants pour? I don’t understand why they cannot close the border tightly and stop the flow from abroad, is this really not possible?
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 17 June 2012 14: 39
            -12
            Quote: El13
            Following your logic, you need to close your eyes to everything,

            You know, dear, and sending others is very easy? Would you go Personally, you would go to defend a people you’re alien, someone else’s faith and religion, where the opposition and the left consider you a sworn enemy, and this is the people you write about.

            If anyone should help Syria, it is Iran, but not like Russia. I mean militarily.

            And Russia can help, exclusively at the negotiating table.

            Russia cannot afford to interfere in other people's affairs. Not the economy, not the amount that was in the USSR no longer exists. Send a couple of hundreds of special forces? And you know how many bandits and mercenaries are operating there.

            Before yelling here from the rostrum about saving the Assad regime, think about the mothers of the soldiers you are about to send here. About the children of these soldiers and wives.

            Russia is not the USSR. Russia has a lot of problems. You need to strengthen your army. What is not technology, then comes into service in small quantities. In the USSR, everything was considered tens of thousands.

            Plus you do not need to make enemies. There is Iran, there are Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians and so on, let them help.

            And it turns out that they stand like cowards on their side, and the Russian bear popped into the desert. Just do not take into account a couple of factors.

            1. The population is decreasing.
            2. If you open the map, then see how Pen-dos-quietly quietly surround Russia.

            I am silent about the Chinese.

            YOU NEED TO GATHER FORCE. RAISE THE ARMY. And Syria must be saved only at the negotiating table and not make enemies in the face of which countries.
            1. El13
              El13 17 June 2012 17: 36
              +2
              I wouldn’t go, but I know others who would go, and besides, if I send them, then I’ll be contractors, and this is already a job involving great risk, but a job. And if this problem is not solved one way or another, much bigger problems will appear that will require more sacrifices, and you can talk about economic growth, etc. at all times, there will never be a paradise on earth, when all problems have been solved, and geopolitical tasks must be solved , including to boost their economies. I do not agree.
              1. kulpin
                kulpin 17 June 2012 18: 32
                +4
                Quote: Ataturk
                Would you go?

                We even have a song like this: "I left my hut. I went to fight. To give the land in Grenada to the peasants ..."
                However, you do not understand.
                1. antiaircrafter
                  antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 19: 44
                  +2
                  Good song. But then they went to war not for money, but for a completely understandable idea. There is a difference with PMCs.
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 17 June 2012 19: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: antiaircrafter
                    . But then they went to war not for money, but for a completely understandable idea.

                    And who prevents the introduction of the ideological component?
                    1. dmb
                      dmb 17 June 2012 20: 42
                      -2
                      And what will the idea be? Here one gentleman the other day, offering to send our marines to Syria, expressed dissatisfaction that after Libya, the textiles he bought for business went up in price. If the defense of the welfare of this master is the idea, it would not be more logical for him to pick up a machine gun and go to Syria. Why, for his or Alekperov’s business, the Russian guys from Novgorod or Ryazan should die there, kill God I do not understand.
                      1. kulpin
                        kulpin 17 June 2012 21: 54
                        +2
                        Idea? Well, for example, this: "The best defense of Moscow in the skies of Tel Aviv." If Tel Aviv does not work, then at least Damascus.
                        And these conversations about "Russian guys" and "incomprehensible interests" I, a sinful deed, have heard enough back in the damned 96th. Moreover, the fatter the faces of the speakers were, the more pretentious they were about the guys.
                      2. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 22: 53
                        0
                        The idea must be popularly accepted.
                        And Tel Aviv will not drive about the sky, because the image of the enemy is not formed. IMHO.
                      3. dmb
                        dmb 17 June 2012 23: 27
                        +1
                        They started listening a bit late. Grachev's face is no better than the faces of Kovalev and Borovoy. And to defend the "sky of Moscow" should begin not in Damascus, but judging by your proposal in its center. Dvorkovich, Yurgens, Aven, Gref, etc. do not sit in Aleppo.
                      4. kulpin
                        kulpin 23 June 2012 15: 15
                        0
                        Quote: dmb
                        Dvorkovich, Jurgens, Aven, Gref, etc.

                        And all this audience is not "heaven". They should be dealt with not by the army and the navy, but by "competent bodies" specially created for that.
                        Another conversation is that, unfortunately, now all "organs" are impotent. But this is a claim to the "head".

                        Quote: dmb
                        Grachev's face is no better than the face of Kovalev and Borovoy.

                        I do not argue. The farther to the rear, the fatter the generals. But Pasha Mercedes at least did not carry that nonsense, which Judas Swan flogged Khasavyurt ...

                        Quote: dmb
                        Grachev's face is no better than the face of Kovalev and Borovoy.

                        I do not argue. The farther to the rear, the fatter the generals. But Pasha Mercedes at least did not carry that nonsense, which Judas Swan flogged Khasavyurt ...
                  2. survivor
                    survivor 17 June 2012 23: 35
                    0
                    But what is the idea of ​​not allowing war to the borders of their homeland, is this not a good idea?
                    1. dmb
                      dmb 18 June 2012 10: 38
                      0
                      Why are you nodding at the Americans? After all, they are also not telling their citizens about protecting Rockefeller's interests in Iraq. In fact, the truth is the opposite.
            2. serjio777
              serjio777 17 June 2012 19: 15
              +7

              Ataturk

              Personally, you would go to defend a people alien to you

              You are asking the question as if you are sure that everyone is scared, and why not, these amers dragged us so much shit that it is easy to equate it with aggression that deserves an answer.
              1. RUSSIA75
                RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 19: 33
                +5
                Quote: serjio777
                You are asking the question as if you are sure that everyone is scared, and why not, these amers dragged us so much shit that it is easy to equate it with aggression that deserves an answer.

                Oh, how wrong you are! Amer is super! I’m even sure that in the USA a NEW BIBLE or the New Testament from Hilary (Clinton) will appear soon! It will probably start like this- AND WAS THE USA! AND CREATED US EARTH ...! And so on and so forth Well, all of those who disagree with us will be immediately declared crazy, savages and barbarians! They will be excommunicated and anathematized! And then, of course, they will burn it at the most democratic bonfires, like malicious heretics! wink lol drinks
            3. Busido
              Busido 17 June 2012 19: 24
              +4
              Do you have Breivik's syndrome, or what ?!)) Or does the Paradox studio help you study military science with its strategies? There is a lot of good, but a machine, a computer. There is a right to make mistakes. Understand Ataturk if we hand over Syria, then the next one is on Iran will be a mountain behind Iran. They have huge interests there. And this "mountain" will be diplomatic to a lesser extent. Providing direct military assistance, right up to the entry of the Sun. The war is coming straight then. World war. Azerbaijan is slowly leaving us. .What are we left with? Some, disarmed, are open from all sides. Syria is the only moment (an outpost, if you will) for us and the world to save the world from catastrophe and give ourselves time for rebirth. Because if Syria repeats Libya, Iraq, then smelling blood once the flock will not leave a victim. Everything will gobble up and everything! Then it will be too late to think. And they won’t even think about mothers and soldiers, children, wives, about themselves. So all efforts for victory are good. Everything must be done, and not just hold a glass at the table.
              .
              Quote: Ataturk
              Plus you do not need to make enemies

              Which ones? It might be that they would not refuse friends, but the enemies ..... in their own country are full. You can’t imagine more terrible and you won’t scare!)) That's it, like that. bully
        3. kush62
          kush62 17 June 2012 19: 22
          +3
          Ataturk I once wrote here, Russia should not help Syria, they themselves must solve their internal issue.
          Right in words. And from Turkey, rod and rod mercenaries. And in Russia, oranges also blather, but to sense. And if you are threatened that they will destroy the whole family, they themselves with posters will trample against Turkey.
        4. Midshipman
          Midshipman 18 June 2012 00: 06
          +2
          The war in Libya began after the Fukushima accident, and this is no coincidence. Impressed by this accident, Europe began to abandon nuclear energy, and accordingly its dependence on gas began to increase. Huge gas reserves have recently been discovered on the territory of Syria; Iran is also one of the key suppliers of this raw material. The goal of the Americans is to take control of the key gas fields in Libya, Syria and Iran in order to bring down gas prices by dumping and force Russia to dance to its own tune, or even dismember and destroy it altogether according to the same scenario with Syria and Libya with the help of migrant workers from Central Asia, trained in the UAE and Qatar and other "revolutionaries".
        5. JonnyT
          JonnyT 20 June 2012 09: 51
          0
          Well, this is not surprising! After all, who pays is the one who calls the tune, and we all know where the means of "peaceful opposition" come from. As for interests, I believe that the main interest of our "Western partners" is to prepare a springboard for the invasion of Russia. Oil is enough for them now ......... It's sad that our leadership is not taking any active steps to restore calm in this region ((((((it is a shame for the state (((((
        6. vezunchik
          vezunchik 26 June 2012 19: 31
          0
          Bush’s third World War has been going on for a long time !!!
      7. Ruslan
        Ruslan 17 June 2012 15: 02
        +3
        Quote: Liberal.
        that Putin is a sane, responsible person and will not rock the boat in a similar way substituting the country.
        Now Assad grinds the Sunitsky radicals who, after Syria, will move to the Caucasus. The more he grinds them, the more he will save the lives of our soldiers. Liberal - as a representative of the Jewish nationality is interested in the fact that the Sunnis and Shiites kill each other as much as possible for this purpose Israel and supplies weapons to the "peaceful" rebels. Also, representatives of the Jewish nationality are interested in the victory of the Sunnis over the Shiites, because then the Sunites will move to Central Asia and the Caucasus, and from there chaos will spread to Tatarstan and the neighboring regions. Troubles in these regions are blown up energy pipelines like now in Syria, which means the economic death of Russia. By destroying Russia Israel for a share of its resources will give a respite to the economy of its sponsor, the United States - this is the meaning of the game, the destruction of Hazbala and Hamas are only secondary goals.
      8. Tomato
        Tomato 17 June 2012 16: 57
        +1
        many need to be treated for sure

        Unfortunately, you can’t stand out.
      9. smile
        smile 17 June 2012 17: 23
        +1
        Liberal
        I wonder what Pu did to you. Did you take Babu away? Or in the gateway on the neck gave and took a trifle? Do not expect. your petty manipulative tricks won't work here. If only about Pu they will think badly. it’s not because of your provocative moans.
    2. VAF
      VAF 17 June 2012 10: 20
      +13
      Quote: esaul
      The thought that has arisen in the heads of many of the members of the forum, but has not yet decided on a specific form,


      Thought, the most beautiful, + !!! in terms of the fact that there will be really combat-ready subunits from the Sotava "reformed" by Storetkin & K formations and subunits of the Armed Forces and Specialized Operations Teams, units that really have combat experience, as well as "experience" of "communication" with amers and Izi!

      There are only two points, we will omit the political (patriotic) .... dead topic for discussion, but how about the status and weapons ???
      1. radikdan79
        radikdan79 17 June 2012 10: 30
        +7
        veteran.air force,
        I absolutely agree with you. besides, there are many military specialists in Russia who have remained "out of work."
        Regarding the political (patriotic) moment - I think the American (British, Israeli, etc.) PMCs do not work to the detriment of their countries.
        and in terms of status and weapons - why reinvent the wheel, you can try to apply the experience of foreign "colleagues"
        1. party3AH
          party3AH 17 June 2012 12: 26
          +5
          Quote: radikdan79
          and in terms of status and weapons - why reinvent the wheel, you can try to apply the experience of foreign "colleagues"

          If only it didn’t work out: either the cartridges would not be brought, then the fuel and lubricants were killed *. God forbid if there really is an ideological commander, and not an aligarch who decides to play war games.
          1. radikdan79
            radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 30
            +5
            Quote: party3AH
            If only it didn’t work out: either they wouldn’t bring cartridges, then the fuels and lubricants were sleeping * dili

            lol that yes, as happened more than once ... well, but seriously, with the proper attitude it would be quite nice
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 17 June 2012 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: veteran.air force
        but how about in terms of status and weapons ???

        Hello, Sergey! This can be determined later, the main thing is that a political decision would be made to create such formations, and then we’ll break through! drinks
      3. Alexey Prikazchikov
        17 June 2012 11: 33
        -1
        There is only one problem where to get equipment and people means the whole problem is in money. And it’s not difficult to pass the law, smile there would be a desire.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 17 June 2012 11: 55
          +2
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          the whole problem is money.

          Alexei, the funny thing is that a lot of money is not required. Unless at the initial stage of the formation of such units, and then they will be perfectly able to earn money themselves. This is a pretty profitable business.
          1. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 17 June 2012 14: 43
            0
            Quote: Fox 070
            and then they will be able to earn money themselves. This is a pretty profitable business.

            Hello everybody! Enlighten please, how will you be able to earn yourself?
            1. radikdan79
              radikdan79 17 June 2012 14: 51
              +6
              olegyurjewitch,
              In the last decade of the 1990th century, private military business has completely transformed, forming a completely new, and most importantly legal and profitable segment of the international market. In the 42s, PMCs trained troops in 700 countries and took part in more than XNUMX conflicts.
              ... After September 11, 2001, the demand for private military and security services grew exponentially. New PMCs began to appear one after another, and immediately received major contracts. Now military firms operate in more than 50 countries, the exact number of PMCs is unknown, but, in any case, there are more than a hundred of them. In 1990, their total annual income amounted to 55,6 billion dollars, by 2010 it amounted to about 200 billion dollars ...
              ... DynCorp received a US Department of State contract to train Iraqi police in the amount of $ 50 million, which in the future will be increased to $ 800 million. AirScan monitors the pipelines guarded by Erinys patrols. Blackwater guarded the head of WWA, Paul Bremer and the US Embassy. The British Aegis Defense Services (ADS), under a $ 293 million contract with BKA, trains several hundred local security professionals for the oil complex ...
      4. El13
        El13 17 June 2012 13: 53
        -5
        Quote: veteran.air force
        there will be really combat-ready subunits from the Sotava "reformed" by Storetkin & K formations and subunits

        So I think that our authorities are afraid to create a rival army, because then no one will go to serve in the armed forces under the contract, with such an alternative. Although ... the national army in this situation can be considered as a qualifying round for such companies, but the trouble is that the best will go there first.
      5. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 June 2012 16: 53
        +1
        Dear Sergey!
        I do not believe that the Russian state will do this, that is, to create a PMC!
        Too dumb for them !!
        And if they go then they will register in another country !!
        I am well acquainted with the work of PMCs - it is very difficult !!
      6. esaul
        esaul 17 June 2012 20: 03
        0
        veteran.air force,
        Seryozha, good evening. Why omit such an important aspect as the patriotic attitude? Before the Second World War, the guys went to Spain in full conviction that they were defending the distant borders of their country. This attitude should remain with the guys from the PMC. And as for weapons, if there are international norms governing the armament of PMCs, then I think they allow you to have a very weak arsenal at your disposal. Mattress toppers, what are your enemies? Will they limit the powers and capabilities of their PMCs? By itself - no. And why should we be ashamed of adopting friends' best practices? In a situation with tougher punishments for unauthorized rallies, they did not hesitate - and they did the right thing! There is already a precedent for using the experience of "friends" ... laughing
    3. Fox 070
      Fox 070 17 June 2012 10: 58
      +7
      Quote: esaul
      The thought that arose in the minds of many of the members of the forum

      Hi Valery! The correct thought appeared in General Kanchukov. To be honest, I’m tired of fighting with the keyboard, although this is also necessary !!! And here I would have participated with great pleasure. Yes, not only me, but many of my colleagues in the forum! Although it would be possible not only to chat, but in practice, with arms in hand, to show all liberal evil spirits its place and set an example to the younger generation, giving them the necessary target designation. Gunpowder is still in the powder flasks. Maybe we’ll also serve Mother Russia ?! good good good drinks
      1. radikdan79
        radikdan79 17 June 2012 11: 08
        +4
        Fox 070,
        so more than half of the members of the forum will run into holes. and mother for Russia - only FOR! (and the flag under which I sit in the forum does not interfere)
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 17 June 2012 11: 28
          +3
          Quote: radikdan79
          more than half of the members of the forum will scatter along holes.

          Greetings, Daniel. I don’t think that more than half, after all, the people here mostly picked up decent and fighting, and let the small bunch of liberals and supporters of Massad and the State Department blather, they paid money for it. The louder they squeal, the more correctly we act.
          1. radikdan79
            radikdan79 17 June 2012 11: 35
            +5
            Fox 070,
            and I greet you, Felix! you just really get morally tired of communicating with the "screamers" who just to gobble ... request ...
      2. party3AH
        party3AH 17 June 2012 13: 51
        +4
        Join drinks
        1. party3AH
          party3AH 17 June 2012 14: 57
          +5
          Well, what kind of reptile again ran with minuses?
          1. esaul
            esaul 17 June 2012 20: 27
            +1
            Quote: party3AH
            Well, what kind of reptile again ran with minuses?

            As Felix says
            Quote: Fox 070


            Fox 070 (5)

            "Their work is like this - the cons to sculpt" There is such a little animal, not yet caught, called Chukapabra ... Runs, Chukapabrit ...
    4. mikula
      mikula 17 June 2012 11: 59
      -8
      It’s interesting and what would be said by those of ours who have now snapped up in Libya for 15-20 years. I think they strongly disagree.
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 17 June 2012 12: 06
        0
        Quote: mikula
        . I think they strongly disagree.

        What do you disagree with?
    5. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 17 June 2012 12: 07
      +7
      In general, such formations are needed ... It is enough to recall how ours rushed to Yugoslavia, but I do not think that everything is so simple. Before all this arises, the supporter will work for something ready, I think it will be too late for Syria.
      1. fidel
        fidel 17 June 2012 12: 26
        0
        No wonder the author of this next nonsense is fired laughing
        Well, for local haters, who do not even imagine what is happening in Syria, I highly recommend:
        www.militaryphotos.net
        Section: photos and videos, events in Syria!
        Dozens of battle videos quickly sober up local keyboard commandos good
        Are you ready to receive coffins with your boys? Are mothers ready?
        1. radikdan79
          radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 34
          +1
          fidel,
          What did you want? - this is war. and by concluding a contract, a person understands what he is going for. and not so that they send to the slaughter of the yellow-and-yellow youths who served for half a year ...
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 17 June 2012 14: 23
          0
          Fidel, you have "dozens of videos" about Chechnya and about Syria! Are you the executive director of the 20th century FIDEL film company in cooperation with Goldman Sachs Production? When do you have time to rivet? And still find time to go to the site, maybe it's better not to spray?
        3. lotus04
          lotus04 17 June 2012 14: 30
          -1
          Quote: fidel
          Are you ready to receive coffins with your boys? Are mothers ready?


          Pen dosam ask this question!
        4. Vito
          Vito 17 June 2012 14: 40
          +2
          WE have nowhere to go. DO NOT start fighting with the help of trained warriors and Syrian allies in Syria, which means that soon we will START fighting in the Caucasus and Asia, ONLY OUR CHILDREN WELL and there we are, of course, who are not yet over 55! Time is running out, you have to solve the problem!
        5. party3AH
          party3AH 17 June 2012 14: 55
          +5
          Quote: fidel
          Are you ready to receive coffins with your boys? Are mothers ready?
          Fidel, open your eyes, it says here about PMCs, the boys for whom "the coffin has been ordered home" will surely go out of their own conviction (read the desire) not to send conscripts, you shit on the minuses here, don't worry?
        6. esaul
          esaul 17 June 2012 20: 23
          +2
          Quote: fidel
          Section: photo and video, events in Syria

          Fidel, if you decided to scare with pictures, then you are not the original in this. The Western man in the street is frightened with "bloody Assad" for days, not hesitating to hang the atrocities of bandits on Assad.
          Quote: fidel
          Are you ready to receive coffins with your boys?

          As for our "boys", so Putin is pursuing an explicit policy of LIMITED INTERVENTION. - Russia is ready to provide comprehensive support for the forces of the Syrian Army, inviting the Syrian people to defend their freedom from Western democracy with their own strength and their lives! Then this freedom will be appreciated and nurtured! If Russia had brought in its troops, the zaslanets would have been finished long ago. But freedom acquired by someone else's blood is a gift that, as world practice has shown, no one wants to appreciate with dignity. But conquered with their blood is a guarantee of durability. Ours introduce a limited contingent to protect their (and not their own) facilities, making it clear that this clearing is busy and there is no trace of trampling it. And if all of a sudden NATO members get (IN ANSWER!) In the teeth, it will be a bitch for encroaching on our good, on our base. So the coffins will go to both sides of the conflict. And about maternal grief, this is a question for Obama. For the last three decades, they have been very successful in importing coffins with the bodies of their children. Has anyone heard of the screams of mothers?
        7. Kaa
          Kaa 17 June 2012 21: 28
          0
          For fidel And do you have a video with the landing of the evil Syrians on the moon by any chance? And the valiant forces of NASA protect the local democratic sleepwalkers there from Assad ... I would buy it.
        8. Denzel13
          Denzel13 18 June 2012 18: 33
          0
          Firstly, about "keyboard" ones - no need to generalize;
          - secondly, it is very doubtful that photo and video material can "sober up" someone - it must be seen with your own eyes;
          - thirdly, on the proposed site there is also a lot of material with the funeral of the US military, maybe you asked the wrong audience about the coffins or the country made a mistake?
    6. smile
      smile 17 June 2012 17: 08
      0
      esaul
      Hello, Valery.
      Thought is not bad. but there are problems -
      1. Legislative problems. Corresponding changes to the legislation of the Russian Federation will not work out quickly. And that is to say the least. And without these changes, the idea is very seriously contrary to our law. to go over which is not very useful for the leadership - it will get used to it ... and the status of these people - as in the case of an injury. and who will pay insurance - not a single company will do it - it is illegal and so everywhere - in tax and criminal. and in any other legislation ...
      2. That's interesting. what is this PMC. equipped with long-range air defense systems? Well, this whole connection turns out ... and even to work out the balanced structure of this education it takes a lot of time, not to mention the selection of hp ... conclusion of arms leasing agreements, insurance, and even the devil knows what. I'm not talking about combat coordination and various exercises ...
      In short - the idea is good, but it was necessary to start at least two years ago ...
      Why not send our Chechens there, with means of reinforcement, as we sent them to Lebanon to guard the builders. rebuilding the country after Operation Cast Lead? The Chechens liked it then. will go with pleasure, there is a reason - the protection of our citizens. living there. They are Muslims. again - there will also be a propaganda effect ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 17 June 2012 17: 15
        +2
        Quote: smile
        The Chechens liked it then. they will go with pleasure, there is a reason - the protection of our citizens. living there. They are Muslims. again - there’s also a propaganda effect ....

        Sunites are Chechens and Basher al-Assad Alawit, Shiite
        1. smile
          smile 17 June 2012 18: 07
          +1
          marshes
          All so, the higher the propaganda effect. In Lebanon, they felt quite comfortable and, I believe, would have felt normal in Syria. Yet they have not yet slipped into religious fanaticism to such an extent that they elect the enemy solely by religion. Besides. they are military personnel of the Russian army, however that may be, but this also should not be discounted.
          1. marshes
            marshes 17 June 2012 18: 11
            +3
            Quote: smile

            marshes
            All right, the higher the propaganda effect

            Their old people will not be allowed into Mecca in the Hajj. In the Caucasus, the elders are respected.
            1. smile
              smile 17 June 2012 18: 56
              +3
              marshes
              God knows. maybe you are right. But personal communication. the truth in a not very friendly atmosphere convinced that often they didn’t put their own or other’s old people pennilessly, to put it mildly (I didn’t. unconditionally. referring to their own old people - they respect their relatives). And these legends of respect for the elderly are exactly the same truth. like their stories that they don’t drink vodka, don’t eat pork, etc.
              1. marshes
                marshes 17 June 2012 19: 04
                +4
                Quote: smile
                And these legends of respect for the elderly are exactly the same truth. like their stories that they don’t drink vodka, don’t eat pork, etc.

                It depends on what kind of situation they are in and who brought them up. For example, in Kazakhstan, you can immediately see a person from the village and the city. Only real village ones are not strangely polite and those who lived in the city are boorish. For a short time in the city, village ones change in not the best side, there is no old man who will give a slap, but as time goes on people grow up and gain their minds.
                So as in the movie City is a terrible force! smile
                1. smile
                  smile 17 June 2012 19: 18
                  +3
                  marshes
                  And here I agree with you one hundred percent. Only I had in mind specifically Chechens - and I saw them when they were completely brutalized by blood. It’s clear that not all of them are like that, but someone did the genocide of the entire non-titular population .... moreover. that a significant portion of their youth grew in the period. when the massacres of non-Chechens began, then two wars, plus their ongoing civil war with their own and various teip fights .... I believe this could not but affect the formation of the mentality of the generation of the war negatively. including the destruction of positive traditions.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 17 June 2012 19: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: smile
                    And here I agree with you one hundred percent

                    You know, I live in the suburbs and we have Chechens, some, in my opinion, were the first to many of the passports of the Russian Federation. Sometimes they buzed, but after talking with the elders they calmed down, now there is some kind of conflict, a disco for example, they get up and leave. I I studied with Chechens and Ingushs, Turks and Azerbaijanis, Ossetians and other nationalities, I have friends. I know how to behave at this or that event if called, holidays and commemoration.
                    If the old people call at the table, they will pour it. I in no case will not touch it, at least 37 years old is coming. smile
                    1. smile
                      smile 17 June 2012 19: 42
                      +2
                      marshes
                      All right. People are different. But, you must agree - with you. if they are buzzing, your elders talk seriously and thoroughly with them or with their elders ... and that’s it. An educational result is inevitable. And we have? With us, this was possible before the revolution. in a rural community. And now? Who will call them to order? I repeat - I am not talking about everyone. but those. who buzzes a penny does not put our old people. I'm not talking about others. They don’t understand the conversation. if put in place by force is an article, and very fast. In addition, they have a bad habit of quickly switching to the use of various dangerous objects. Therefore, in the event of a collision, the only chance to do without victims is the quickest possible disruption of the buoys. And this is almost always outside the scope of the law! .. Often they behave worse than our shaven-headed renegades. But I did not hear something about the criminal proceedings against them about inciting ethnic hatred. In my opinion, the only chance to curb them is the hard work of the relevant services with their elders. Whether it’s being conducted, I don’t know ..
                      Oh. something far removed us from the subject of discussion. excuse me
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 17 June 2012 20: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: smile
                        Sorry

                        Okay, you see, we live among many nationalities, we are used to it. We know who is capable of what. But in your case, I don’t even know. Here are young people somewhere to gather together, a summer camp or school, then something will work out. "there people get angry.

                        Quote: smile
                        hard work of the relevant services with their elders.

                        Do you have elders who have unquestioned authority to support a large part of the population who can conduct dialogue with the highlanders.
                      2. smile
                        smile 17 June 2012 20: 14
                        +3
                        marshes
                        You know. but apparently there are some authorities (I’m not talking about crime) among the highlanders, and there are other Caucasians, and to my surprise, they can influence tribesmen significantly. At the same time, it must be said. that with those of them who lived with us since the Soviet era there are no problems at all, they are often much more useful for society. than ours. But those who arrived after the collapse of the Union, this is somewhat different ... It's sad ... But you really need to deal with youth, both with your own and with a stranger ... although what kind of strangers they are - all ours. And flog them all in turn. on one couch - then they quickly rally - the total oppression of adults who do not understand anything in life unites all young people very much, regardless of language and skin color .. :))))))))
                      3. marshes
                        marshes 17 June 2012 20: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: smile
                        And flog them all in turn. on one trestle bed - then they will quickly unite - the total oppression from the side of adults who do not understand anything in life unites all young people very much, regardless of language and skin color .. :)))))))

                        Here I agree with you. They dismissed them, their own lives according to the "charter" but I don't put much pressure on him, gets him for his deeds. smile
                        Sorry, all the best. drinks
                        About yesterday’s football-Zol, now I’ll be rooting for Ukraine.
                        Goodbye!
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 June 2012 20: 46
                        -1
                        You raised a very interesting topic Vladimir !!
                        Oh, if you knew ....
                        I am sure that everything will be organized from one center !!
                        And as for just Buyanov, I am convinced everything from education !!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 June 2012 20: 42
              -1
              Swamps!
              Why not let on Haj ??
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 June 2012 20: 38
          +1
          Marshes You take these newspaper ducks too seriously!
          between the Sunnis and Shiites in the world there is no great hostility !!
          Only in Russia, illiterate imams set people against those about whom they know nothing!
          In the Arab countries and especially in Pakistan, this is mainly clan showdowns, hiding behind religion! I was convinced of this in Karachi
          Wherever I am in the world, Muslims accepted me as a Muslim and in any mosque I did prayer as I do at home !!
          1. marshes
            marshes 17 June 2012 20: 49
            +5
            Quote: Yarbay
            between the Sunnis and Shiites in the world there is no great hostility !!

            It depends on what fatwa the Saudis will "sound" about, as well as about the Hajj.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 June 2012 20: 52
              +1
              Who are the Saudis ???
              ALL TROUBLESHOOT IN UN EDUCATION AND LITERACY !!

              Sunni scholars on Shiism
              The following are statements by various Sunni ulama regarding the Shiite followers of Ahl al-Beit.

              1. Sheikh Mahmoud Shaltut, Rector of Al-Azhar University in Egypt, after much research on Shiite fiqh, understood the importance of Jafari law, so he publishes his famous fatwa about the fact that, in addition to the 4 main Sunni madhhabs, it is also possible to follow Jafari law, in particular he says: “The jafari madhab known as the madhab shia imamiyya isna'ashariya is a legal doctrine that is allowed to follow like other Sunni law schools (madhhabs). Therefore, it would be wonderful for Muslims to leave fanaticism aside and hasten to learn this legal doctrine and step back from unjust accusations against them. ”
              2. Sheikh Azhara Dr. Muhammad Muhammad Fahham, commenting on the fatwa of Shaltut, confirmed its correctness. In particular, he writes: “I am amazed at the great knowledge of Shaykh Shaltut in the field of Arabic philology, fiqh, tafsir (interpretation) of the Koran, and methodology of law (usul fiqh). He issued a fatwa regarding the fact that it is allowed to follow fiqh and the law of Shiite imamites, or the Jafarite madhhab. “I personally, have no doubt that his fatwa has a very strong scientific researcher foundation, and my beliefs are also similar to his beliefs in this matter.”
              He also says: “May Allah Sheikh Shaltut have mercy! He was the one who understood such an important and fundamental moment and with his fatwa forever wrote down his name in the history of Islam, his fatwa about the permissibility of accepting and following Shiite imamite law was based on the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the prophet and this is the strongest argument. ”
              3. Sheikh Muhammad Ghazali says: “I am convinced that the fatwa of the great teacher Sheikh Mahmoud Shaltut has come a long, thorny path of rapprochement between Muslim movements. In fact, his fatwa is essentially a revelation of the methods of Western experts of Orientalists who believed that Muslims, having all these disagreements, ultimately before they unite, completely disintegrate and fall into decline and crisis. But this fatwa destroyed the whole idea of ​​Western scholars of Islam, laying the foundations for unity among Muslims. "
              4. Abd al-Rahman Najar mosque representative in Cairo (Egypt) says: “We respect the fatwa of Sheikh Shaltut, and also urge people not to limit themselves to only four law schools. Sheikh Shaltut very respected face of his fatwa is correct and reliable. On what basis should we follow only four madhhabs, or were they all mujtahids? ”
              5. Ustad Ahmad Bak (teacher of Sheikh Shaltut and Sheikh Abu Zuhre) says in particular: “The Shiites, Imamites are Muslims, they recognize Allah, the Messenger and the Qur'an, and believe in everything that the Prophet from Allah brought. Among them were great scientists in various fields of Islamic sciences, they had great thinkers, and they have a rich Islamic heritage, as far as their books are concerned, they reach hundreds of thousands, and I was able to get enough with a wealth of information from their books on various sciences. ”
              6. Sheikh Muhammad Abu Zahre writes: "There is no doubt that Shiites are one of the movements of Islam." He further writes: “They (i.e. Shiites) follow the Qur'an and Sunnah, and do not feel hostility towards the Sunnis.”
              7. Ustad Mahmoud Sartawi (one of Jordan’s prominent scholars) writes: “I say what the Salafis say, that is, Muslims of the first generations, Shiites are our brothers, and we have nothing that would be enmity, we are brothers one to another. ”
              8. Ustad Abd al Fatah Abd al Maksud writes: “In my opinion, Shiites are the only group that embodies all the features of Islam, and anyone who wants to look at the Islamic religion from the side, let him turn to Shiism of an imamite sense. History is the best witness to the fact that it was Shiism that brought the greatest benefit to Islam and served Islam more than others by protecting beliefs from the heresy of errors. ”
              9. Dr. Hamid Hanafi Dawood, a teacher of Arabic rhetoric and literature at Cairo University, writes: “Here you can understand that the notions of Shiism, that this is a purely bookic teaching, that has no traditional foundations, is crowded with hadiths from Jews, taking its roots from Abdullah ibn Saba, does not are valid. But Shiism is primarily based on a scientific and Quranic basis, and this does not contradict one another. Among all Islamic movements, perhaps the only legal school that paid great attention to both the Quranic and the intellectual principle was the Shiism of 12 imams. If not for this rich experience of unity between the Quran and the intellect, they would hardly have been able to reach such heights in the development of their law. ”
              In another place, in particular, he writes: “More than 13 centuries have passed since then, and we see that some scholars persecuted by their passions endure fatwas against Shiites, and thus introduce disagreements and schism among Muslims. Thus, many Muslims were ignorant of the rich Islamic heritage of Ahl al-Bayt transmitted and preserved by the Shiites. Indeed, the misfortune and loss from this ignorance is even greater than the lies that are poured constantly on Shiites, presenting them in an unrighteous light before unaware Muslims. It is enough that the Shiite imam is Ja'far Sadyk, the teacher of the Sunni imams Abu Hanifa and Malik ibn Annas. Abu Hanifa himself says: “If it weren’t for these two years, Numan would have disappeared (that is, Abu Hanifa).”
              Malik ibn Annas says: "I have not seen anyone more knowledgeable in my life than Ja'far ibn Muhamad."
              10 Dr. Abd al-Rahman Kiyali, one of the famous scholars of the city of Aleppo, writes in a letter to Allam Amini: “Scientists need constant research ... indeed, after the death of the dear Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him and his family!), Disagreements arose between Muslims regarding power , and as a result, the baths of Hashim were deprived of all the rights that belonged to them. Now, exploring the problems of the modern Islamic world, we are wondering what caused Muslims to arrive in such a miserable situation? What is the reason that they are now experiencing a crisis covering various aspects of their lives? Is it possible that what the Muslims lost, we, turning to history and exploring it, would return? "
              11. Ustad Abu al-Wafa Ghanimi Taftazani, a teacher of Islamic philosophy in al-Azhar, writes: “Very many, as a result of propaganda against the Shiites, stood in the ranks of ardent opponents of the teachings of the family of the Messenger of Allah, while this confrontation does not comply with the instructions of the holy Quran. Most Muslims also follow their madhhabs and legal methods without thinking about the correctness of what they are doing, at the same time they still blame the Shiites for all sins and heresies, while they do not know anything about the true Shiite belief and law. This ignorance, which has covered most Muslims, is partly due to the fact that they did not apply and did not know the main Shiite sources, referring only to what their opponents wrote about Shiites ”

              Also about Hajj that Shiites are not allowed to Hajj ??
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 June 2012 21: 06
                0
                Swamps are still for you


                Joint Fatwa of the World Union of Islamic Scholars
                The final document of the International Muslim Conference, held on July 4-6, 2005 in Amman (Jordan) under the motto "True Islam and its role in modern society"

                In the name of Allah the Merciful and the Merciful! Blessing and peace to our lord Muhammad and his family! “Oh people! Fear your Lord, who made you out of one soul ... ”(Quran 4: 1).
                In accordance with the fatwas (religious and theological conclusions) of the Supreme Imam Al-Azhar, the Mufti of Egypt, the Supreme Mufti of Oman, the Islamic Law Academy of Saudi Arabia, the Supreme Religious Council of Turkey, the Mufti and the Committee for Fatwas of Jordan, Shiite Maja (spiritual leaders) of the Ja'afarites and as well as Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and Sheikh Yusuf al-Qardawi:
                1. Anyone who is a follower of one of the four Sunni madhhabs (Hanafi, Malikite, Shafiite, Hanbalite), Shiite movements of Jafaria, Zayed, as well as Ibadiy and Zakhir, is considered a Muslim.
                It is unacceptable to accuse him of unbelief, to encroach on his life, honor and property. In addition, it is forbidden to accuse adherents of asharism and those who practice true Sufism, continuing the traditions of their ancestors, in disbelief. In general, it is not permissible to classify atheists any group of Muslims who believe in Almighty Allah and His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!) Respect the tenets of religion, without rejecting any of them.
                2. Among the various areas of Islam, there is much in common. Adherents of the eight movements follow the basic Islamic principles, believing in the One Most High Allah, the holy Quran (the revealed Word of Allah), and our lord Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!), The Prophet of all mankind. They also adhere to the five pillars of Islam (confession of faith, prayer, alms, fasting in the month of Ramadan, Hajj), recognize the five pillars of faith (in Allah, in His angels, in His Message, in His prophets (peace be upon them all), on Judgment Day , in predestination).
                The discrepancies between the ulama of these directions do not affect fundamental issues, but only particular ones. Moreover, the existence of differences in the views of the ulama is a positive phenomenon.
                3. Possession of knowledge of Islamic movements implies the need to adhere to the fundamental methodology of theology. No one has the right to make decisions on religious issues without understanding the specifics of each of the areas of Islam. No one is allowed to engage in independent theological activities in one direction or another, without adequate training, or to proclaim the emergence of a new trend, and to publish fatwas that would take Muslims outside the rules and principles of the doctrine established by the Sharia.
                4. The main idea of ​​the Amman message, adopted on the blessed night of Predestination in 1425 according to the Hijra and read out in the Hashemite mosque, is the admissibility of belonging to various streams and directions, recognition of their right to exist, recognition of the need for dialogue and interaction between their followers. This, in turn, implies a moderate approach, a search for mutual compromise, tolerance and condescension to each other, mercy and respect for the opinions of others.
                5. We call for the settlement of disagreements among Muslims, the unity of their statements and positions, the consolidation of their mutual respect, the solidarity of their peoples and states, the strengthening of fraternal ties so that there is no reason for confusion and division between them.
                Allah (praise be to Him) says: “Indeed, believers are brothers. Reconcile your brothers and fear Allah - maybe you will be merciful ”(Quran 49:10).
                Glory be to Allah!

                and who are the Saudis after that?
                First of all, we must fight religious illiteracy!
                1. marshes
                  marshes 17 June 2012 21: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Yarbay

                  I didn’t introduce Shiites, but a possible reduction in the HAC quota for residents of the North Caucasus.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 June 2012 21: 21
                    +1
                    Dear Marshes!
                    On what basis ???
                    In addition, I know this question very well, about quotas!
                    Every year, poor Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan, Yemen, etc., sell their quotas, as many people have no way to go !!
                    And basically these quotas are bought by Russian Muslims and Muslims of the CIS countries !!
                    There is no separate quota for the North Caucasus according to Hajj !!
                    The quota is distributed already in Russia!
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 17 June 2012 21: 40
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      On what basis ???

                      Come up with.
                      Here we had, on the net there was a fatwa about the destruction of law enforcement officers, allegedly published by a famous theologian, at the congress which was held in Astana, this person was at a loss who wrote whose machinations.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 June 2012 21: 45
                        +1
                        Yes, they will not come up with Swamps !!)))
                        And only ignoramuses can believe in fatwa about the destruction of law enforcement officials!
                        The fact is that fatwa is not a simple matter !! Like I wanted to publish fatwa, no and no !!
                        Any fatwa must be justified !! And in the world there are only a few people who have the right to give fatwas!
                        I can’t imagine how anyone can justify such a fatwa !!
                        Again the question of LITERACY!
                      2. marshes
                        marshes 17 June 2012 21: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Again the question of LITERACY!

                        Now everyone in religion has been gifted and there are few specialists in this regard, atheism has done its job. Here I have a cousin, assistant to the imam, worse than any political leader. smile
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 June 2012 22: 01
                        0
                        Dear Marshes!
                        I agree with you on this !!
                        This is the trouble of all CIS !!
                      4. marshes
                        marshes 17 June 2012 22: 06
                        +3
                        Forced to say goodbye, tomorrow to work, All the best Alibek!
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 June 2012 22: 42
                        +1
                        Good health and good luck Marshes !!
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 25 September 2012 18: 43
            +1
            Yarbay
            Are you seriously? what And recently, Sheikh Kardawi, who is the highest spiritual authority in Egypt, said that Shiites are worse than "the sons of pigs and dogs of Jews." Highlighted especially because I love oriental biotechnology. And how he crossed, and the Shiites in his eyes and his flock are even more terrible monsters. good
      2. serjio777
        serjio777 17 June 2012 19: 32
        +1
        smile
        2. That's interesting. what is this PMC. equipped with long-range air defense systems?

        So I’m saying nefig to be shy, to enter under the flag, Russia now has such a situation that we don’t lose anything, we will show determination only friends will be added.
        1. smile
          smile 17 June 2012 20: 05
          +1
          serjio777
          Yeah, we really have nothing to lose. We are in the eyes of the progressive Euro_ world and so are the fiends of hell for three hundred years. So. what from that. we resist or wipe ourselves, we won’t become better in their eyes. And we will not resist - kirdyk will come to us. just gobble up.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 June 2012 22: 48
          +1
          This will lead to a great war !!
          1. serjio777
            serjio777 18 June 2012 00: 16
            0
            I agree with you, but if this goes on we will be so imposed that we will not be able to breathe.
      3. esaul
        esaul 17 June 2012 20: 29
        +2
        Quote: smile
        but there are problems -


        Volodya, good evening! There are no problems that would not be solved if there is a will from above. wink
      4. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 June 2012 20: 35
        -1
        Vladimir agrees with your identification of problems, but I would like to add that those who lead the state are convinced that they will not want to have a professional army subordinate to anyone other than them !!
        A large and contract army is not created, because they are afraid!
        managing adult, independent people is more difficult than recruits !!
        In addition, they rally faster and are usually loyal to someone who pays well !!
    7. woland05
      woland05 17 June 2012 18: 02
      +5
      Great, Valera. A sensible thought, of course, would have voted for it with both hands, only utopian. Let's face it, comrades, we do not have PMCs, and cannot be without corresponding amendments to the legislation. Moreover, we, in my deep conviction, do not need them, but we need a strong and modern Armed Forces. The fact that Syria cannot be torn to pieces, that this is a blow to Russia's strategic interests, is also obvious. And that in the minds of members of the forum ... A lot of good things in their heads, but only the highest political will is needed ....
    8. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
      Hysnik-Tsuzoy 17 June 2012 19: 11
      +1
      The idea is really cool, only it has long been implemented in security agencies under our oligarchs, which, in fact, are PMCs, by the way, there have already been selected a good staff from former specialists who fell under reduction. And whoever itches the eggs, like he wanted to shoot, he can be recruited privately, anywhere. For example, our entire units fought in Yugoslavia.
      So the author of the article was a bit late with the idea, about 20 years ago.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 17 June 2012 20: 02
        -1
        Khysnik-Tsuzoy good yes to the very point!
        I just add that in Israel there was once a similar analogue, but they were not a commercial structure, but were withdrawn by a separate battalion, but nevertheless went under the Ministry of Defense.
    9. carbofo
      carbofo 18 June 2012 17: 21
      0
      esaul,
      Slippery topic. Unless you make special conditions for this.
      In principle, the topic is interesting from the point of view of the need for such formations.
      But also the dangers of inadequate or criminal use of such structures.
      I will not be mistaken that we have a significant number of private security companies in my time were not so much security as gangster structures created to legalize personal weapons.
      So you can do it, but what we do right is the question!
    10. edge
      edge 19 June 2012 17: 06
      0
      I would love to take a walk, for the sake of this, I would also learn Arabic .......
    11. sinandju
      sinandju 25 June 2012 15: 41
      0
      esaul
      The thought that arose in the heads of many of the members of the forum, but has not yet decided on a specific form, was expressed, finally, by an experienced personnel officer and conveyed to us by Denis Makrushin. ,
      Before you rejoice at this thought, you need to stop and think. PMCs are good, but who will control it? And why should we pay taxes on it if it is a private shop?
      In Russia, it is so simple to distribute weapons, planes, helicopters - it’s stupid. Hoping that they will serve Russia 100%. Factories have already been handed out, towers hoping for the same in the 90s, and more recently, having disbanded RAO UES. Nothing good came of it. For some reason, everything goes to either bandits, or crooks, or corrupt officials, or to the West.
      If you really need to create something, it’s like a Foreign Legion on a self-financing basis, but indirectly reporting to the president.
    12. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 16: 23
      0
      To carry out this, one must possess the genius of Stalin !! It’s not Vietnam, but Spain. Military directions - the essence of the matter is understandable .... And then ... what to do with the armed, experienced, independent part of society ???? After all, right now she understands who is at the helm ??? (Who is in charge of your banks, mineral resources ??? Who is of nationality Chubais, Vyakhirev, Berezovsky, etc. ....) So think about whether there is a chance to create the current equivalent of the Cossacks ??? It seems that such topics - to identify people dangerous to them ...
    13. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 25 September 2012 16: 43
      0
      To implement such a "trick with the ears" you need Stalin's genius !! The current government of the Russian Federation is essentially anti-people and AGAINST such a restoration of new forms of the Cossacks! Who is in power of the Russian Federation (and also the post of the USSR state-x), who runs the Banks, the land: Vyakherev, Chubais .... yes, they are afraid of ANY revival of the Slavs like fire! Even more so some kind of PMC ...
      Well, let's move away from this .... And what to do after the war with such fighters ??? To solve such a problem, you need a Mind, and not that rednecker Golden Billion who now rules ...
    14. kavkasos stratotis
      kavkasos stratotis 20 November 2013 17: 58
      0
      Well, here's what happened with one PMC that sent Russians to Syria: http://navoine.ru/posledniy-boi-slavyanskogo-korpusa.html
  2. lcalex
    lcalex 17 June 2012 08: 18
    +9
    The idea is just class !!! drinks
    If you still implement it .....
  3. survivor
    survivor 17 June 2012 08: 22
    +8
    where is the recording done?
  4. Crumbumbes
    Crumbumbes 17 June 2012 08: 22
    +4
    Kachunkov’s idea is of course a good one, only how much time will pass until such a law on PMCs is created, and when it enters into force ...

    in the second photo in the background, is it really Dartweider ?!))))
    1. lcalex
      lcalex 17 June 2012 08: 25
      0
      Quote: Krumbumbes
      is it really Dartweider ?!))))


      laughing drinks Very similar! laughing
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      17 June 2012 08: 38
      +3
      We already have 2 firms, though we have to keep all the equipment abroad.

      There are no 2 photos guys modeling specialists from the game modern var far.
    3. party3AH
      party3AH 17 June 2012 12: 28
      0
      Quote: Krumbumbes
      Kachunkov’s idea is of course a good one, only how much time will pass until such a law on PMCs is created, and when it enters into force ...

      Deputies will pull any love with this, then the upper house, then the lower ....
  5. lcalex
    lcalex 17 June 2012 08: 22
    +4
    In addition to the tasks that the author outlined, there is another plus: there will be no need to send boys of conscripts there.
    What would have been done without PMCs if the decision to send Russian troops to Syria
  6. Alexey Prikazchikov
    17 June 2012 08: 24
    +8
    Vopsche Mokrushin speaks very ill of this idea since who will pay for it. But I believe that the PMC market today is 120 billion dollars. The image of our PMCs can still promote the Russian one of the best fighters in the world. In the beginning, you can subsidize a company such as Gasprom, lease equipment at lower interest rates, fighters can be blown up if their wife and education die. And further on self-sufficiency, if everything is done correctly, PMCs will bring huge amounts of money to the state budget. I repeat the market is currently 120 billion green rubles, but all this must be done wisely and not through one place.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 17 June 2012 10: 43
      0
      Interestingly, how did you find the market?
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        17 June 2012 11: 31
        +1
        Look for data from international experts online. This is a business and a profitable business, naturally, such things will be taken into account.
      2. sergo0000
        sergo0000 17 June 2012 11: 36
        +3
        ATATA,
        Everything is in the internet! This idea has been hanging in the air and government for a long time. Only deputies can’t settle the status of such companies. In the spring and here on the forum a lot of copies were broken about the very idea of ​​legalizing PMCs. Many were even against it. But they are and they will be created as long as there is such a situation in a world where an organization such as the UN has long outlived itself and has turned itself into a murder weapon! And now you have to seek protection from it all who disagree with US policy. The idea is not ours, but what to do! every action is necessary to counteract ! And if they are not legalized in our country, then they will be registered abroad. And pay taxes there too! And most importantly, they will not be protected by the state! And how much benefit they could bring to Russia in the same Syria, you can imagine yourself!
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          17 June 2012 11: 56
          -1
          Yes, the whole trouble is that they are already fighting there now, do you think who is guarding the Yukos objects in Iraq, huh?
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 17 June 2012 12: 31
            -2
            Only who, after the service, will the guys pay pensions? Registration at such companies is foreign! Until edros decide with them the question of old age can die! drinks
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              17 June 2012 19: 48
              -2
              I called the state program for subsidizing and supporting PMCs, but then it will pay off.
        2. alexg
          alexg 18 June 2012 11: 14
          0
          for PMCs to be profitable, war (s) are needed! where else are you going to fight?
  7. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha 17 June 2012 08: 26
    +12
    I believe that Russia does not need these attributes of predator states-PMCs. We need to fully strengthen the Army and Navy. And in resolving external issues, there must be political will, backed up by military force and economic power, and there is no need to invent anything. And in Syria, it would be enough to make an official statement to the UN that the Russian Federation would perceive external aggression as an attack on the Russian Federation and the corresponding response, right up to a nuclear strike on the bases from where the attack was made, believe me, this would be quite enough to prevent attacks on the ATS. But the power is not that contingent ...
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      17 June 2012 08: 35
      +6
      Do not be such a nerd in politics to all spit in your blood or not, all the same cannibals there and by the way we are no exception. There is no good and evil in the world; there are simply different sides having different interests, that’s all. And it’s even better to be a predator rich successful predator than a sheep in life.
      1. Prophet Alyosha
        Prophet Alyosha 17 June 2012 12: 35
        +5
        - These are the thoughts of a non-Russian, non-Orthodox person, which is confirmed by your profile picture. The Russians were always distinguished by GOOD VICTIMITY — even during the wars we remained PEOPLE — and always won! not for nothing that our army was called the Christ-Loving Army!
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          17 June 2012 19: 28
          +1
          First I’m Russian. Secondly, I want the people of the potentially richest country in the world to live accordingly and I don’t care how it will be done. Everything for my people and by any means is how I feel about it. Thirdly, I respect Putin and I’m not hiding that, damn it, even the facts, what was done with him, look before you enter and shake your little sweaty little hands. And most importantly, I have proved my patritism in practice, and you can only gulp populist slogans. Behind me is a cold and hard mind, as well as a development strategy in any area of ​​the state, not populism, and this is the most important thing.
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 17 June 2012 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            All for his people and by any means

            But this is a big plus. There is nothing to comment on. good
    2. radikdan79
      radikdan79 17 June 2012 08: 51
      +8
      prophet Alyosha,
      let me disagree with you. the fact is that even PMCs and commercial organizations, but take part in hostilities. and the experience of REAL military operations cannot be replaced by any training and exercises. and since Russia has taken a course towards modernizing the army to meet real threats, then the experience of PMC fighters will be absolutely necessary. and to defend the interests of the state abroad will not be male draftees, but experienced fighters. my opinion is that PMCs are necessary for Russia!
      1. Owl
        Owl 17 June 2012 09: 20
        -3
        If a State needs real experience in conducting combat operations, then the Armed Forces and special services of this State receive it with the help of "advisers" and "specialists." PMCs are blood businesses. From the war, citizens will return to their native country, it’s good if they just “sit down for a glass” (for half a year, approximately), but when you know the “taste of blood”, it is quite easy to do what you taught and did yourself.
        1. radikdan79
          radikdan79 17 June 2012 10: 07
          +5
          Owl,
          what if they suddenly catch an "adviser" or "specialist" for an "anti-democratic" act ?! and it ("specialist") mother Russia sent with the help to the fraternal (or not so) people ... somehow it will not turn out nicely, again Russia will be a tyrant and despot ...
          and PMCs are a private company, corresponding to their attitude to it ... not in vain, both Amers and Britons have a considerable number of PMCs.
        2. Siberian
          Siberian 17 June 2012 10: 57
          +5
          From the war, citizens will return to their native country, it’s good if they just “sit down for a glass” (for half a year, approximately), but when you know the “taste of blood”, it is quite easy to do what you taught and did yourself.

          This statement seems to me not entirely correct. After Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Transnistria, Karabakh and both Chechens, there was no wild surge in the crimes of former military personnel in the country. I myself spent almost 3 years in the Chechen Republic (2000-2002, 2004-2005), and I still communicate with some of my subordinates. Found themselves in civilian life, work, live. And these phrases about "the taste of blood", "bloody boys in a dream" are from movie soap serials and low-quality action films.
          The PMC will employ professionals. It will not be "Uncle Voenkom" who will recruit there for the sake of the plan. There will be a tough selection, especially psychologically.
          1. Owl
            Owl 17 June 2012 16: 59
            -2
            Dear Sibiryak, one of my acquaintances (officers "work" 1999-2002, resigned "of their own free will") 2 - suicide, 2 - terms (small 3-4 years), normally only those who remained in service, service, orders, medals ...
            1. Owl
              Owl 17 June 2012 22: 50
              +3
              Interestingly, "minus" because the fact is unpleasant to your worldview? Those who do not know what pain, blood, disability and betrayal are usually rush to "war". War is not a feat, war is work, work that leaves a certain imprint on a person. Not everyone can stand it calmly, there are not very many of them, but they are there. There you get used to the constant death of someone, and then "at home" for about a month you internally shudder from the claps of pyrotechnics, leaving the entrance first you inspect the upper floors of houses and the open windows of the basements, you try to walk only on asphalt.
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                17 June 2012 23: 06
                0
                Man, were you there too, huh?
                1. Owl
                  Owl 18 June 2012 08: 48
                  +2
                  I took part, introduced myself, awarded, continue to serve.
          2. smile
            smile 17 June 2012 17: 47
            +3
            Siberian
            I confirm. Our law enforcement agencies tracked the statistics - there was no surge. In the first half of the year, the balance was slightly skewed - towards more serious violent crimes to the detriment of crimes against property. In the future, everything was aligned. And the difference was miserable, barely going beyond the statistical error.
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 09: 34
        0
        Quote: radikdan79
        the experience of PMC fighters will be absolutely necessary

        In Russia, even the experience of their army (Afghanistan Chechnya-1,2) is not processed and systematized, it is not widely used in training.
        Why will PMC experience be in demand?
        1. radikdan79
          radikdan79 17 June 2012 09: 57
          +4
          antiaircrafter,
          the fact that the experience of previous warriors is not in demand is another question (God forbid they crush it - we will study this experience externally) ...
          you yourself understand very well - the tactics of military operations today and yesterday are two big differences ...
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 10: 06
            -2
            Enough military advisers and intelligence are enough to learn new tactics. No need to invent anything.
            1. radikdan79
              radikdan79 17 June 2012 10: 10
              +6
              antiaircrafter,
              it is impossible to learn how to drive a car by reading car magazines and watching videos from the Dakar ... request
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 10: 35
                -4
                Following your logic, it is necessary to send Russian teams on the basis of rotation to Syria to instill skills.
                Or do you see another teaching method?
                1. radikdan79
                  radikdan79 17 June 2012 11: 03
                  +7
                  following my logic, it is necessary to train soldiers to conduct real battles, and not "according to instructions." and all the previous experience of hostilities (in Afghanistan and other places where the "international duty" was fulfilled) was therefore not used, which lay on the shelves of archives. and if you take an officer, yes from each regiment, and under the guise (or as part of) PMCs, send them around the world to points "warmer than cold", and then summarize their experience, and so that these officers conduct classes with drugs in their units. then it will be useful. and as long as "peace-loving patriots" are yelling, so will all sorts of mongrels bark at Russia ... aren't we tired of ourselves ?!
                  I apologize for maybe some rudeness in this comment ... but really how much can you !? Russia is a mighty power! and her army should be so!
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 11: 20
                    -4
                    Having combat experience with the races is enough to organize training.
                    Quote: radikdan79
                    and then summarize their experience

                    I repeat once again - the experience of Afghanistan and Chechnya is not generalized and is not used in our country. Who will generalize the experience of PMCs?
                    Quote: radikdan79
                    it is necessary to train soldiers in real battles

                    Yeah, and start right away with real fights?
                    Quote: antiaircrafter
                    it’s impossible to learn how to drive a car by reading car magazines

                    Niv one driving school immediately behind the wheel and put on and do not let out on a busy highway, first taught
                    Quote: radikdan79
                    "according to the instructions".
                    1. radikdan79
                      radikdan79 17 June 2012 11: 22
                      +3
                      antiaircrafter,
                      dear, read the previous comments ... and pulling out quotes from the text - does not require much intelligence
                      what experience is not generalized whose fault? I just repeat - the world does not stand still, it is developing (and the tactics of warfare, too, oddly enough). and we need to know how to confront the likely (and not so) opponent.
                      1. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 11: 31
                        -4
                        Yes, I read the previous komenty, but I didn’t see an answer who would generalize the experience of PMCs, even if the army’s experience is not in demand.

                        The army needs combat experience - you need to send an army!

                        Who told you that PMCs will share their experience with the state?
                      2. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 11: 45
                        +3
                        - Who will generalize the experience? - the question is clearly not for me, well, I am not an analyst of the Russian Defense Ministry ... God forbid, tomorrow, the war. experience we will use the Afghan? I think a little useful ...
                        - sending an army to Syria (Iran and other "problem countries) is problematic, if not realistic ...
                        - I am sure American (and not only) PMCs are bound by certain obligations to their state (and, of course, special services);
                      3. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 12: 01
                        -5
                        any experience come in handy!
                        only on the eve of the war PMC will have experience, while the army, as it painted borders, will paint - why does it need experience if there are PMCs!
                      4. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 14
                        +3
                        antiaircrafter,
                        Based on your judgment, then why do we need an army?
                        I repeat, but I am confident that the PMC states are closely cooperating with the army ...
                      5. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 12: 21
                        -2
                        What is the purpose of the army spelled out in military doctrine.
                        And the army itself should gain experience in its own interests and the state.
                        PMCs are the lot of retirees who no longer know how to fight, and they should not replace the army with themselves.
                      6. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 45
                        +4
                        antiaircrafter,
                        and here someone is talking about replacing the army with PMCs? PMCs can be assigned functions not characteristic of a regular army ...
                        by the way, regarding the doctrine:
                        - The Russian Federation ensures the constant readiness of the Armed Forces and other troops to contain and prevent military conflicts, to armed defense of the Russian Federation and its allies in accordance with international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation;
                        - The Russian Federation considers it legitimate to use the Armed Forces and other troops to repel aggression against it and (or) its allies, maintain (restore) peace by decision of the UN Security Council, other collective security structures, and also to ensure the protection of its citizens outside The Russian Federation, in accordance with generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation;
                        http://news.kremlin.ru/ref_notes/461
                        based on the foregoing, it is not possible to use the Russian army in particular in Syria ... but PMCs under various pretexts (contracts) are possible
                      7. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 13: 13
                        -3
                        radikdan79, apply the army of the Russian Federation is just possible for:
                        - to ensure the protection of their citizens, namely the personnel of the MTO Navy point of the Russian Federation, for example, or the citizens of the Russian Federation living and working in Syria;
                        - to repel aggression against the allies, of course, if such an agreement exists with Syria.

                        To send PMCs, the decision of the Syrian leadership is still necessary.

                        Unusual functions of the army are to protect the private property of Russian entrepreneurs or companies abroad, to wet the pirates who captured a private tanker, etc.
                        Here, please, let PMCs work.
                        But state interests should protect state structures, under the state flag, under state responsibility. at the same time, by the way, foreign PMCs who find themselves in the zone of interest can be considered as mercenaries and wet in place without trial.
                      8. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 14: 39
                        +3
                        antiaircrafter,
                        Well, as far as I know, there were no attacks on personnel; but Russia doesn’t have an alliance treaty with Syria ... so please call ...
                        name at least one good reason (which the UN will miss) to send troops to Syria. Moreover, Russia itself claims that the Syrian conflict is an internal affair of Syria ...
                        and with regards to the legal status of mercenaries - that's why they are mercenaries. this is their job (which is paid). and, as in any business, if you are not a professional, then your job is g ... but to rake it out, if a pro, then "... to soak on the spot without trial and investigation ..." will be troublesome
                      9. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 16: 08
                        -4
                        well, no and no trial.
                        ensuring the protection of its citizens, namely the personnel of the MTO Navy of the Russian Federation
                        It will be troublesome for non-professionals.

                        there is no reason to send troops - that means there are no state interests there - private interests protect private companies, the state should not have a relationship with them.
                      10. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 16: 31
                        +4
                        antiaircrafter,
                        based on your words - Russia's interests are limited to some CIS countries, but to Abkhazia and South Ossetia? small however ...
                      11. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 16: 56
                        -3
                        Based on my words, the interests of Russia are protected by state structures.
                        private interests - private structures.
                      12. Korvin
                        Korvin 17 June 2012 21: 13
                        0
                        The wrong word collaborates with the army)) If the operation was a success then the Special Forces forces did it, if the results look ugly and doubtful from the point of view of legality, the mercenaries are to blame ... the faces are the same in the photo)))
                2. CC-20a
                  CC-20a 17 June 2012 11: 16
                  +1
                  This is how they always did, to the hottest spots of the country from the end of the century, the competent command constantly sent entire regiments on a "business trip", so to speak, "close to real military operations", to sense the danger and gunpowder and vice versa, so that in cases of war they were more resistant. Even in the recent 2 Chechen war, this can be traced.
                  And this is not only what we all do.

                  So strategically, if there is a long conflict in Syria, it’s ideal to send it there, but so far we can’t live without the shouts of pro-Westerners, both inside and outside ... which means we can’t do without PMCs. Combat experience can never be compared with exercises ... sometimes even in war you have to relearn in order to forget what you learned and what military action really requires ... and in this PMC there is again no alternative for today.
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 11: 32
                    -4
                    And what is stopping right now from sending an army, and not a hired rabble?
                    1. radikdan79
                      radikdan79 17 June 2012 11: 50
                      +3
                      antiaircrafter,
                      and on what basis will the Russian army be in Syria? how are the peacekeepers? - no UN decision ... how is friendly aid to Syria? - so it seems like there is no external aggressor ... so to speak, "non-cheesy" are obtained ...
                      1. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 12: 17
                        -4
                        And on what basis will PMCs work there? Has Assad invited them?
                        So in this matter, the hardships are also not visible.
                      2. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 24
                        +2
                        antiaircrafter,
                        it is by contract, for example to protect "cultural heritage" or any "governor". on what basis do PMCs operate around the world?
                      3. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 13: 00
                        -5
                        I don't know on what basis they work, but Assad has not invited anyone to guard his "cultural heritage" yet.
                      4. radikdan79
                        radikdan79 17 June 2012 13: 11
                        +5
                        antiaircrafter,
                        therefore, therefore, does not invite that there is nobody (well, he does not believe Western PMCs, and there are no PMCs in countries loyal to Syria ...)
                      5. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 13: 35
                        -5
                        Well, I would have handed over my "cultural heritage" to the State Guard of Russia for preservation.
                      6. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 18: 46
                        0
                        [quote = antiaircrafter]
                        I do not know on what basis they work, but Assad has not yet invited anyone to guard his "cultural heritage" [/ q Apparently Hussein and Gaddafi invited Western PMCs to his place, they even begged them in tears! wink
                      7. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 18: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        why they work, but Assad has not invited anyone to guard his "cultural heritage" yet.

                        Apparently, Hussein and Gaddafi invited the Western PMCs to his place, probably even begged tearfully!
                      8. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 17 June 2012 12: 34
                        +1
                        For this they are private traders;) they have the same restriction as any free citizen. So there are no obstacles to send PMCs to Syria except the will of the leadership
                      9. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 13: 01
                        -3
                        Quote: CC-20a
                        other than the will of the leadership

                        I would clarify - the will of the management of the INVITING side.
                      10. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 17 June 2012 13: 07
                        0
                        not necessary.
                      11. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 13: 31
                        -4
                        then this interference is the internal affairs of a sovereign state with all the ensuing consequences. easier and more reliable to send special forces.
                      12. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 17 June 2012 15: 01
                        +1
                        you did not understand heart PMCs.
                      13. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 16: 03
                        -3
                        well, explain the essence.
                      14. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 17 June 2012 19: 26
                        +1
                        I explain. The essence of PMCs is that they can be used where soul gos-wu is desired without reference to gos-wu.
                        We want to observe our interests in Syria, we pay, and we receive compliance with our interests.
                        It’s possible to scoop up the Amer’s scheme.
                        We give a loan to Syria, in the amount of the same loan, Syria signs a contract with our PMC. As a result, PMCs get the basis for action in Syria, money does not go anywhere from Russia, Syria owes us a loan and in case of PMC success is also grateful to us.
                      15. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 19: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: CC-20a
                        Syria signs a contract with our FAQ

                        Well, what am I talking about?
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        I would clarify - the will of the management of the INVITING side.

                        Syria will not invite (will not sign a contract) with PMCs, on what basis will PMCs operate in Syria?
                      16. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 18 June 2012 13: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        Syria will not invite (will not sign a contract) with PMCs, on what basis will PMCs operate in Syria?

                        Based on an order from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation or from any third-party organization. Even if Syria is against that unlikely.
                        The state gives 1 million to the intermediary company, the 1 million intermediary company concludes a contract with PMCs to ensure the interests of this company (any interests can be specified). PMC begins to operate. At the same time, all contracts will be hidden and the current authorities of the Russian Federation have the right to see them because it is a private international company with an office in Moscow, then under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, even if the entire UN is against this PMC with respect to PMCs with an office in Moscow, our internal current will prevail national laws.
                        Karoche is nothing new, almost everyone is already doing it, it's time for us.

                        "Fight fire with fire"
                      17. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 18 June 2012 15: 26
                        +1
                        In the appendage.
                        http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/70376/
                        Bolant Esinoglu, deputy secretary of the Labor Party of Turkey, said the CIA had recruited about 6 Arab, Afghan and Turkish mercenaries to carry out terrorist attacks in Syria. In the article, Yesinoglu writes that the American security company Blackwater is recruiting mercenaries commissioned by the CIA.


                        So we need to quickly create PMCs, even if it takes the Vostok battalion (more precisely, it is no longer there, but there are people) .... they recruit money and send it either to Syria or Iraq / Afghanistan and wherever there is a United States and let them there (b. east) induce a dudger, but they know how. In Syria, it’s better to retire from the coarse because they need to work subtly and against a familiar opponent, that is, against militants paid for by the USA .. that in Chechnya they are now in Syria everything is the same.
      3. in reserve
        in reserve 17 June 2012 11: 07
        +3
        I fully support radikdan79 PMCs. The world has long changed; World War 3 in which not regular armies fight but PMCs. In addition, we have long been talking about creating a foreign legion like France.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 11: 57
          -4
          A foreign legion is not a private company.
          1. in reserve
            in reserve 17 June 2012 13: 26
            +2
            I understand that a foreign legion is not a private company. It’s just that our management is thinking about this topic and can decide something.
      4. Korvin
        Korvin 17 June 2012 21: 07
        +1
        You see, it is a PROPHET ... it is easier for him to unleash a Christ-loving nuclear war than a little blood on foreign territory ....
    3. Guran96
      Guran96 17 June 2012 09: 10
      0
      Undoubtedly, the Army and Navy need to be strengthened, without the modern armed forces of Russia there is nothing to do on the world stage. And you need to identify your military presence in Syria. Well, domestic PMCs will be a good option for solving the Syrian problem, another thing is how all this will be realized with our bureaucracy and general corruption.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 17 June 2012 09: 29
        +1
        Guran96
        ".......... it's another matter how all this will be implemented under our bureaucracy and rampant corruption."


        Well noticed!
        And it will be, as in the series about cops, instead of soldering (to Chechnya) - cosmetics and perfume.
        Instead of automatic weapons - English plumbing, and instead of ammunition a container of shuttlecocks with rackets
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 17 June 2012 11: 37
          0
          Ruswolf
          Alex, hello buddy! Where were you? drinks
          1. Ruswolf
            Ruswolf 17 June 2012 14: 12
            +2
            Felix is ​​great!
            I decided, like Aesop's, to go and drink the sea!
            And it’s such a salty bastard! And it does not end. And when I realized that it was Quiet - I tangled the coast - I decided to drop this business!
            Aesop was wrong!
            And here you already see the sets for cross stitch courses! Cross todes! Cross Syudy!
            What is the humor - have not yet understood. but obviously Aesop has nothing to do with it!
      2. CC-20a
        CC-20a 17 June 2012 11: 26
        +4
        If you are not smart, then everything is simple. PMC is a private international company with an office somewhere in Moscow and a base near Moscow. The officers do not obey anyone, but let's say the director will be a retired military patriot, for example, Shamanov (well, if he wants to).
        The state ensures legal integrity of PMCs within the country.
        The Russian Foreign Ministry is hinting to Syria that we can help, it costs so much ... This amount Syria pays directly to PMCs by signing a contract and PMCs begin to work.
        I emphasize that the money goes directly to PMCs bypassing the state, this is the basis of a private company in the first place and corruption will not affect the second to find fault and to connect the PMC with Moscow will not work.
        PMC, in turn, buys military equipment as he wants, well, the Russian Defense Ministry sells them at a discount to them. Since the basis of PMCs is our Soviet people trained in our technology, they will want to buy or not ours.
        PMCs are looking for and hiring people paying big money for those who want to fight.
        In addition to Syria, the Moscow Region may pay and order music, for example, to destroy poppy plantations in Afghanistan, even with the destruction of the haamers who protect these plantations.
        True, the United States will immediately record this PMC in a terrorist organization ... here the main thing for our Foreign Ministry is to declare all private Amer companies terrorists as well. Well, if our PMC falls into the list of terrorists then ... :) ... well, it's your own fault ... it will open the way for war against the United States with the help of PMCs.
        I note again, there can be no kickbacks, for there is no funding from the budget. And if from the budget, then payment should not come from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but directly from the government, that is, without intermediaries.

        It's simple.
    4. Fox 070
      Fox 070 17 June 2012 11: 33
      +3
      Quote: Prophet Alyosha
      We need to fully strengthen the Army and Navy.

      So this is the strengthening of the army and navy, only in a new direction. Where it is impossible to officially enter the Russian Armed Forces, you can send PMCs under a simple contract.
    5. dld35057
      dld35057 17 June 2012 11: 44
      +1
      strongly support! this should be decided at the highest state level - it is impossible to evade responsibility by being covered by different screens. IF THE FATHER SAID AND WE SUPPORTED _ THEN ONLY ON THE NAME OF THE STATE!
  8. prophetic
    prophetic 17 June 2012 08: 30
    +4
    everything is in the hands of our authorities, they decide. The idea is good, but whether it will turn into something specific is a big question. The loss of Syria and Iran is terrible for Russia. There comes a time of major decisions that will determine the entire future alignment of forces in the world. It’s too late to retreat and nowhere ....
  9. Alexey Prikazchikov
    17 June 2012 08: 34
    +1
    I’ll add another creation. PMCs will pull the business and industry development, plus the corresponding services market, high-quality chemical industry will appear as it’s synthetic, the pvc guns themselves smash the trunks and this is another sector of business and industry, plus the light industry will pull off, anyway, I’m leading to everything, do not need state funding. One must relate to this as another sector of the economy and a means of conducting geopolitics. We need a state subsidy and support program. Private traders can do a lot of things, for example, RFA- private traders are able to do snoops, they rive UAVs, sniper rifles, equipment pistols, an assault rifle, and much more. In general, we need to do two sectors, private and public. Private traders can play a role as initiators of new projects and damn a lot of things, only the program needs the appropriate. And we must not forget that we still have a citizen and a social network who need funding for the atom, we will get 91 years.
    1. in reserve
      in reserve 17 June 2012 11: 14
      +1
      But all the same, there is danger for the country of PMCs, all the same, these are small armies which, with appropriate leadership, can make a coup.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        17 June 2012 11: 29
        +3
        State control is firstly, and secondly, in developed countries with a good army, this scenario is not possible in principle, they will simply be erased into powder.
      2. Korvin
        Korvin 17 June 2012 21: 22
        +1
        With the same success, an attempt at a coup could have been arranged by, say, the Ministry of Emergencies or GUIN.)) What should they disband now? And the Kremlin cadets do not even have to go anywhere under the greatest threat))
    2. postman
      postman 17 June 2012 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      I will add another creation. PMC will pull the business and

      Well yes. Russian Armed Forces, the modernization program-DO NOT PULL FOR YOURSELF ...
      That's how Private military company, and immediately pulled.
      Where is the logic then?
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        17 June 2012 19: 05
        -3
        The logic is that the arrogant will not buy anything, both uniforms and weapons, and he has everything. And PMCs need to buy everything ourselves and in a large volume, what do you think, as amers have the best equipment in the world then? And who in sleepy there is buying everything from them is a bunch of companies. Damn, is there anyone with brains or are they all here?
        1. postman
          postman 17 June 2012 20: 58
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          What do you think, as amers have the best equipment in the world then?

          Well, not from PMCs, and not thanks to them.
          EQUIPMENT FOR THE ARMY, NAVY, Air Force - the prerogative and expenses of the state, are approved by the Senate.
          And all agencies (DARPA, etc.) are on a budget.
          Private companies — on budget money — equip the state’s army.
          And PMCs, again, for DIRTY CASES. No connection with the equipment of the aircraft
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            17 June 2012 21: 11
            -3
            Yes, damn it, I’m not talking about the army, I’m telling you about Thomas. I'm talking about business development. You along the way do not understand the issue.
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 22: 41
              -1
              Well, who will wait until the domestic business develops something when it is easier to buy ready-made?
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                17 June 2012 23: 09
                -4
                In the sense of business, long ago, everything was done just by his state-owned enterprises. Do you know, for example, how the Research Institute of Steel at the technologies in the impudent development of a new modular body armor stuck eh? Here we need a whole package of laws and everything needs to be regulated. He himself ordered us to simultaneously develop state-owned enterprises and private traders. One without a friend no matter what.
            2. postman
              postman 18 June 2012 01: 03
              +1
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              You along the way do not understand the issue.

              In which "?"
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              What do you think, as amers have the best equipment in the world then?


              So you pancake read your question?
              So I damn it and gave the answer.
              Try to answer! Themselves, along or against the move.

              your thought (if correctly interpreted): the best equipment in the world appeared thanks to PMCs.
              And?
              That's bullshit.
              1. CC-20a
                CC-20a 18 June 2012 22: 25
                +1
                Quote: Postman
                That's bullshit.

                Not nonsense, or you just misunderstood.
                competition in the usa market still gives an imprint, many private companies make protection for a fighter someone prettier someone stronger someone cheaper, amers choose from this variety and as a result of the variety of companies they are forced to lower their prices and try to be better than competitors ( Try to bargain 1 ruble from our state-owned factories ... x-er will agree, argue for years what we see just now). As a result, the equipment in the usa turned out to be the best that the usa could produce in their econ system.
                Another thing is that in the USSR there were no private traders and the competition structure was replaced by strong administrative pressure and management, which also yielded results, and it was not yet a fact of who is better than ours or theirs, most likely we have something better.

                It just so happened that the econ system in the Russian Federation is now the same as in the United States. If we press further on the administrative resource as in the USSR, in the absence of an economic structure of the USSR, everything will turn out very badly. So here either we in the Russian Federation take over the experience and introduce competition, or doing as in the USSR we return the structure of the USSR (this is almost impossible now). Remain current 1 option.

                PMCs are precisely that private market structure a catalyst for the modernization of equipment. If the RF Ministry of Defense is forced to act on the old path, the PMC will act on the new path according to the economic structure in the Russian Federation, thereby pushing development forward. In my opinion, the competition and the market can cope with the creation and improvement of equipment for soldiers.

                Quote: Postman
                Well, not from PMCs, and not thanks to them.
                EQUIPMENT FOR THE ARMY, NAVY, Air Force - the prerogative and expenses of the state, are approved by the Senate

                The whole point is that PMCs are also the same as the US Army and Navy, just a different structure, that's all ... but they have common expenses, they all are powered by the state;)
                1. postman
                  postman 19 June 2012 17: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: CC-20a
                  CC-20a


                  Competition essno gives an "imprint", but we also had it (in missile, air, tank, shipbuilding equipment and ammunition, etc.).
                  YES was not in uniform, equipment, and practically small.
                  But I did not deny it!
                  Believe PMCs does not affect either the equipment, nor the equipment, weapons of the army.
                  Directly. Pushing someone's interests by any retired general, yes, BUT
                  EXCEPT IT HAS STATE SENATORS.

                  Take a word how the purchase is made in the United States for the Ministry of Defense, or how the developer chooses promising equipment and equipment, I also know from the Senate hearings, requests from the weapons department, flyaway cost, etc.
                  and in literature.
                  If you read in English and you need (really) = I can send it to the mail. PDf files, pages of approximately 170.

                  PMCs do not feed (in equipment) from the state.
                  They invoice the proforma (for payment) for the proposed services or commercial invoice, for the services provided.
                  And this amount includes their expenses (accounting, office, business trips, ammunition, ammunition, etc.)
                  That's what in brackets (goods and materials) can be bought (and often) not in the United States at all, and does not have any effect on the equipment of the American army.
                  That's what I said ....
  10. lotus04
    lotus04 17 June 2012 08: 38
    +2
    Article +! This is where you can go head-to-head with pen-dos. And see if they fit the image created by their "cool" films. Which I personally doubt. Because they will have problems with the supply of juice and ice cream, as well as dry closets will not be delivered. And will their vaunted missile defense help them.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      17 June 2012 08: 49
      +3
      In order to get along with ami head-on, a PMC must have a bunch of defensive and offensive weapons, a system of pre-fabricated fortifications, and aviation more than that. And most importantly, their people should be at least 20 thousand. I myself hate amers, but do not underestimate them, remember at least 2003 when they rolled Iraq into asphalt. And if you take into account that they are constantly modernizing their equipment and that they have a developed distribution system, in general only the army can fight with amers. A PMC could threaten a special forces detachment, for example, or the same rebels in Syria.
      1. lotus04
        lotus04 17 June 2012 09: 09
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        In order to get along with ami head-on, a PMC must have a bunch of defensive and offensive weapons, a system of pre-fabricated fortifications, and aviation more than that.


        But the article says this!
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          17 June 2012 09: 49
          +1
          Just a little general beguiled that's all. PMCs will cope with the rebels, but not with the army.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 17 June 2012 10: 20
            +2
            remember at least 2003 when they rolled Iraq into asphalt.

            They didn’t put it in asphalt, they bought everyone they could, if it weren’t for the generals to sell, the Americans in Iraq washed themselves with blood, plus ours (in this case Shevardnadze) pushed the Yankees to suppress Iraqi air defense.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              17 June 2012 11: 28
              +6
              Let's not deal with populism. This is so for a start. Firstly, as amers Iraq in ... obviously trampled not the essence is important the main result, but it is. Secondly, the amers, despite all of their jambs with the same aircraft of the 5th generation, strikers and other equipment. A very technologically advanced army, we only started to introduce many things that amers have long had, the same calimators for example. It’s not a big deal that they greatly reduce the consumption of ammunition, increase the accuracy of the aiming speed and, as a result, survival, I don’t say anything; it’s just being tested. Plus amers training is better with amers, tactically their soldiers are better prepared and better oriented on the ground due to control systems, radio stations and jeepies. We without wars, at least until 2016, will hold out and that’s good. And even better, by 20 or 25. Because by that time a powerful middle class will appear, which is a powerful economy, normal private business and fully restored state-owned enterprises.
              But this can only be achieved with the middle class. So for now you need to get rich, pump muscles (the army). Restore industry and so on. Plus do not forget to give birth to children because we are too few for war. And especially not rock the boat here for this and need PMCs. Without war until the year 20, we need to hold out at all costs, simultaneously restoring the country and army.
              1. 18 June 2012 00: 24
                0
                Alexey Prikazchikov,
                Totally agree with you. drinks
          2. CC-20a
            CC-20a 17 June 2012 11: 31
            +1
            PMCs will not have the task of destroying the us army.
            It’s enough to set the task of inflicting serious losses on the Amers, it will hit the morale, the public of the United States, one way or another it is enough to make it clear that it’s not slanting Arabs who are fighting with them, but competent trained and equipped fighters like amers who want to hang out completely disappear ... just don’t forget that amers cowardly vultures and their behavior will be appropriate.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              17 June 2012 11: 37
              +1
              Amer is not cowardly, do not underestimate them and speak populist slogans. Let us soberly assess the situation. Damn on this thread is adequate people or not ????????? !!!!!!!!!! wassat am
              1. CC-20a
                CC-20a 17 June 2012 12: 29
                +5
                Cowardly.
                Do you have any experience with Americans? apparently not. I respect everyone, but I reason sensibly from the experience of life.
                In amers there is a lot of arrogance, like a goner for a 14-year-old teenager, the devils think of themselves, but how they face the harsh reality they have a panic. Fighting an American is like ... I don’t even know which animal .... well, a vulture already.
                First, Amer screams at you loudly, puffs up and stands out, sort of in the animal world, reminds me of a lot of screaming noise ... if you start to retreat he will attack, if you stand bravely he will not touch you and will be afraid to get close, once he hits the face once he dumps, having reached a safe place, will begin to show off again. But in general, people like people ... we also have plenty of them.
                You just understand that they are like children ... amers they are 14 year old brainless, arrogant, dangerous for their stupidity both for themselves and for those around them ... because the history of the United States is only 200 years old ... and our history will be bigger and it seems to me a story of our own of people and makes an imprint in the behavior of each individual of this people as a whole, so that we, like Ilya Popovich, do not rush to the distance, stand calmly (sometimes in vain), but if we give the bream then the adversary flies very very far.
                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 17 June 2012 12: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: CC-20a
                  In amers much arrogance,

                  I agree! There are a lot of Ponte, weapons are good, but there is no spirit. And this is not propaganda, this is personal experience.
                  1. postman
                    postman 17 June 2012 15: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: Fox 070
                    but there is no spirit.

                    I do not agree.
                    Communicated and communicate. In addition to personal experience, history confirms this.
                    "Spirit" (not a stink, of course) is and was. You shouldn't be like that. Judging by Hollywood is impossible. Paranoia of disregard for the topic "s", "Americans" - itself with a "smell", as people write, who with their own eyes (Americans) and have not seen.

                    And JUST is, yes, and many .... more than 100 years of the richest and most powerful nation, which no one really kicked, make themselves known.
                    Probably more correctly characterized by Yu.Semenov
                    1. postman
                      postman 17 June 2012 16: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Postman
                      postman (1) RU Today, 15:29 -1

                      "-" from around the corner, "thank you"
                      A little to explain what I'm wrong?
                      Or tongue-tongue interferes, or hands from w .. s?
                    2. Fox 070
                      Fox 070 17 June 2012 18: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Postman
                      You can't judge by Hollywood.

                      I wrote about personal experience, and did not rely on Hollywood. And I saw them with my own eyes ... There is neither spirit nor honor in them. At the slightest resistance they begin to scream on the air and ask for reinforcements. Do not tell stories here about immense American courage. A yellow-faced youth can believe this by looking at Rambo-3. Saw - we know ...
                      1. postman
                        postman 17 June 2012 20: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Don't tell tales here about immense American courage

                        You really do not distort the populi then. Where did you read about the "immeasurable" courage?
                        For reference, to my shame I did not watch Rambo-3, as well as 0,1,2, *, 4,5, ...
                        Recommend it?
                        He saw and closely interacted with Americans (personally): 1991-92, 1997,2004, 2008, December 2011.
                        Everyone was with spirit and honor, even the police, who were going to arrest me for driving a vehicle, without an international driver’s license (according to the Vienna Convention 1947).

                        Quote: Fox 070
                        . Saw - we know ...
                        , I don’t know what you saw there, and what kind of yellow-faced youths you communicate with, but a few examples
                        - In a historically short time, turn the overseas, God-forgotten Periphery, into what we call the USA. Without a spirit?
                        -North convoys of the 2nd world, there civilians (sailors) - without honor, without spirit? on tankers or bulk carriers with shells, WITHOUT CHANCE for salvation.
                        Apollo -13, without a spirit?
                        -After the shuttle’s first catastrophe, the turn of those who wish has decreased? after the second?
                        ...
                        Falluja 2004 Marine sergeant Rafael Peralta covered the grenade with his body, died, saving 8 people. Only 5 such cases

                        So your "fig" is not appropriate. Everywhere and everyone has both bad and good.

                        For the United States, only the ship "St. Louis" = what is worth (example of bad)
                      2. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 June 2012 08: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Postman
                        Everyone was with spirit and honor, even the police,

                        Do not breed demagoguery. postman. We are not talking about civilians or the police, and you understand very well what kind of spirit I'm talking about. Do not engage in verbiage and a substitution of concepts.
                      3. postman
                        postman 18 June 2012 18: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Do not breed demagoguery. postman.

                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Do not engage in verbiage and a substitution of concepts

                        forgive me for not coordinating my answer with YOU, thank God, at least you allow 2 to stay on the site. "
                        1. in my words, there is NO DROP of demagogy.
                        where is the set of "oratorical and polemical techniques"? what "audience" am I "trying to mislead"? what "political goals", "advertising" or "propaganda" I am pursuing.
                        your statement is WRONG
                        2. I do not have verbiage, only the facts, A substitution of concepts, this is for you.
                        I have never misinterpreted someone’s words.
                        and you mine CONSTANTLY juggle my words:
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Don't tell here tales of the immense American courage


                        Quote: Postman
                        You don’t juggle .... Where did you read me about "immeasurable" courage?
                    3. RUSSIA75
                      RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 19: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Postman
                      more than 100 years of the richest and most powerful power, which no one really kicked, make themselves known.

                      Get rich at the expense of the rest of the world (resources, candy wrapper called dollar)
                      Kicked-Vietnam, Korea at the very least. The USA was lucky with geography, you know, otherwise the Viet Cong would have stormed Washington at one time!
                      1. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 17 June 2012 19: 40
                        0
                        Kicked-Vietnam, Korea at the very least.

                        forgot about Pearl Harbor ...
                      2. postman
                        postman 17 June 2012 20: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Get rich at the expense of the rest of the world

                        And what can I object?
                        Do not give, candy wrappers (dollars) do not use.
                        What can they not get rich if we keep our stabilization fund in US banks, in candy wrappers, at 1,5% per annum.
                        I did not write about the reasons, I wrote that IF THE POPULATION LIVES FOR 100 YEARS IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY, HERE OF THIS POPULATION IS UNDERSTANDED.


                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        otherwise the Viet Cong would have stormed Washington at one time!
                        .Let's be serious.
                        You are still talking about the gangs of Mexicans from the south and the crowd of Canadian Naziists who will soon capture America tell.

                        At that time, on its territory, with the support of the PRC and the USSR, Vietnam would hardly have won. Only totally clearing the country.
                      3. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 21: 00
                        +2
                        [quote = postman] Do not give, do not use candy wrappers (dollars) [/ quote]
                        Everything has its time. [Quote = postman]. Let's be serious.
                        You are still talking about the gangs of Mexicans from the south and the crowd of Canadian Naziists who will soon capture America tell.
                        That is, Vietnam is not relevant and not serious ???

                        [quote = postman] At that time, on its territory, with the support of China and the USSR, Vietnam would hardly have won. Only totally cleared the country. [/ Quote]
                        Well, here is the answer to you, Syria, with the proper support of Russia or the same China, will give the amers a kick, for sure. If the States certainly don’t buy anyone in the Syrian army.
                      4. postman
                        postman 17 June 2012 21: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        That is, Vietnam is not relevant and not serious ???

                        In what sense?
                        The Vietnamese army, at that time (in my opinion up to the 90s), ACKNOWLEDGED EVERYONE AS HAPPY, if I’m not mistaken, they piled on the Chinese when there was a misunderstanding between the parties

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Well, here is the answer to you

                        the answer to which question is that?
                        Syria is not the jungle of Vietnam.
                        Syrians are not Vietnamese (I met both Stemi and these), completely different.
                        Russia is not the USSR, China is not near, the Ho-Shimin trail will not work.
                      5. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 17 June 2012 21: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Postman
                        Syria is not the jungle of Vietnam.
                        Syrians are not Vietnamese (I met both Stemi and these), completely different.
                        Russia is not the USSR, China is not near, the path of Ho-Shimin will not work

                        That is, one nation is superior to another? Apparently you measure for the love of the Motherland and the Fatherland? Each country has or can create its own Ho Chi Minh trail, if the people had a desire to stand up for themselves, and help the other people!
                      6. postman
                        postman 17 June 2012 22: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        That is, one nation is superior to another?

                        Naturally. God did not equalize the trees in the forest, and there is nothing to talk about races.
                        If all were equal, humanity would die out in 3-4 generations.
                        Just do not confuse with rights. All have the same rights.

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Apparently you measure for the love of the Motherland and the Fatherland?

                        I did not understand your deep thought. Peoples, the divergence of the properties of races and love for the homeland. Explain pliz!

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Each country has or can create its own Ho Chi Minh trail

                        Well, what path, for example, in Germany? Belgium? AND?
                        I was in Syria. Which path is it? According to the Dutch heights, not related to Holland and which heights are called dumb.

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        and help other people

                        we (the USSR) were already helping in Afghanistan ...
                        in April 2012, a new monument was put in the LO for the guys who died there. It turned out beautifully, but what can be said in comfort to their mothers, who cried at its opening, TODAY?
                      7. RUSSIA75
                        RUSSIA75 18 June 2012 07: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Postman
                        Naturally. God did not equalize the trees in the forest, and there is nothing to talk about races.

                        You tell me more about the superiority of one race or people over another! We already heard this in the recent past from super Aryans! Reading is disgusting.
                        Quote: Postman
                        Well, what path, for example, in Germany? Belgium? AND?
                        I was in Syria. Which path is it? According to the Dutch heights, not related to Holland and which heights are called dumb.

                        I don’t care where you were there, leave these short stories for your grandchildren. About the trail - The natural landscape of Syria is very diverse: it’s the desert, and oases, plains, and mountains. As the experience of all recent wars shows, it is impossible to control the entire territory of the country that you would not tell me here.
                        Quote: Postman
                        we (the USSR) were already helping in Afghanistan ...
                        in April 2012, a new monument was put in the LO for the guys who died there. It turned out beautifully, but what can be said in comfort to their mothers, who cried at its opening, TODAY?

                        We helped a lot of people, so what? If a state has geopolitical, economic interests in a particular region, it must assist a friendly regime or country! The USA, for your information, always does this! .About mothers will always cry, as long as there are wars on earth, and they will, and what should we not go to the army now? Is it dangerous there? Join the Union of Soldiers' Mothers, I’m sure there will be many like-minded people (like-minded people) wink
                      8. postman
                        postman 18 June 2012 17: 56
                        0
                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        You tell me another
                        Well, if you don’t want, I won’t do anything at all, not that ANYTHING. Such a mentor tone, aksakal, with a farmer, almost that ...
                        About superiority, I did NOT write ANYTHING, as well as about the Aryans, nonsense and defamationDo not use Dr. Goebels' habits. Do not distort.
                        And the fact that everyone is different and not equal- READ (school curriculum) -Darwin's theory about evolution. UNDER THE UNIVERSAL EQUAL, civilization would not exist, and indeed the living (the surrounding world).

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Reading is disgusting.
                        -Once so gentle = DO NOT READ.


                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        I don’t care where you were, leave these short stories for grandchildren
                        Glad for your infaltility. No grandchildren yet, wait.

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        The natural landscape of Syria is very diverse:
                        that's because you "don't care" and you yourself have never been anywhere except a table with a computer, so write nonsense.

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        We helped a lot of people, so what?

                        But nothing, you probably, but I have a visit to the graves, senseless dead and dumb reproach to the mothers of friends.

                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Sha for your information always
                        -That's how the United States does to me anyway, in the sense that I will not attack. According to your diome- the USA will take baths in feces, what should everyone do this? I’m surely a pass.


                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Is it dangerous there?
                        Yes, you know there WAS dangerous.


                        Quote: RUSSIA75
                        Join the Union of Soldier Mothers
                        WHAT FOR?
                        I'm a father.
                2. Alexey Prikazchikov
                  17 June 2012 19: 11
                  +1
                  I also talked with them in our city in bulk. And I didn’t see any cowards. People are like people, although maybe because I didn’t fight them.
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 17 June 2012 19: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                    we have them in the city in bulk.

                    The situation is not that ...
                    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                      17 June 2012 19: 44
                      0
                      Maybe those who remain permanently fast enough Russify, maybe because I don’t notice.
                      1. CC-20a
                        CC-20a 18 June 2012 14: 05
                        +3
                        Partly also true, the longer they are with us the less differences. And they drink more than ours. So the myth of drunk Russian in international practice quickly debunked.

                        You know cowardice shows the current in an extreme situation when for example there is a choice to risk your life for the sake of someone else or not to risk it, this is an honor and courage. A serious 1 on 1 fight just on the fists would give you a complete picture of them. Above, I wrote specifically about the psychological characteristics of different nationalities, a 14-year-old child, which one is a fighter and a hero? Yes, no, if something is right, it will make the current out of its stupidity and certainly not with awareness. This does not say that they are worse or better, among 14-year-old boys there are as many good people as among 30-40-year-old men, just a 14-year-old still childless, the same thing with Americans, they are really children, you communicate with them and understand that their level knowledge and understanding is similar to our children, but if they live and chat in our country for a long time, they grow up to learn the truth, probably the role played by the US government is fooling its population. In general, try to understand ... maybe it’s really difficult to describe everything (
              2. Denzel13
                Denzel13 18 June 2012 19: 33
                0
                At the expense of adequacy is not necessary.
                "... a powerful middle class will emerge ... a normal, honest business ... fully restored state-owned enterprises" - is this an example of adequacy? Do you really believe in this given the current state policy?
  11. survivor
    survivor 17 June 2012 08: 43
    +1
    it is quite possible to do with volunteers !!! as it was in Spain.
    1. radikdan79
      radikdan79 17 June 2012 08: 57
      +2
      survivor,
      not sure if there were volunteers in Spain (well, if only someone had been appointed a volunteer) ...
      1. survivor
        survivor 17 June 2012 09: 31
        +3
        that's just the point))) our officers were volunteers). immediately killed several birds with one stone. the military received the necessary experience of warfare, the equipment was tested in combat conditions, the army of the union state was created and developed, well, in addition, the stigmas of a probable enemy were polished)
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 17 June 2012 09: 41
        +3
        Almost like in the film, you answer - "I hesitate, however." But in reality, very many specialists in their field would go to PMCs. Adventurism is in our blood. After all, many Russian citizens served and are serving in the French Foreign Legion, and they were not stopped by the fact that they, to put it mildly, are not entirely legal here.
        Currently, the Serdyukov army does not quite meet the requirements of the defense of our country. Maybe through various PMCs weapons and equipment will be improved, and most importantly, the practice of using them in real combat.
      3. Denzel13
        Denzel13 18 June 2012 19: 39
        +1
        And you read the memoirs of those who were there. They were proud of it. And the country was proud of them.
    2. postman
      postman 17 June 2012 16: 57
      +1
      Quote: survivor
      quite
      and nobler
    3. Korvin
      Korvin 17 June 2012 21: 26
      +1
      And the result will be like in Spain (((
      1. radikdan79
        radikdan79 17 June 2012 21: 29
        0
        Quote: KORVIN
        And the result will be like in Spain (((

        good exactly! +
  12. volcano
    volcano 17 June 2012 08: 50
    +7
    I support members of the forum who are in PMCs.
    Such companies are definitely needed.
    The presence of the Army will exacerbate the situation to the limit, and PMCs are "like a private office." So all the decency is observed.
    And I would advise critics to look at Amerov PMCs and their activities. Efficiency as they say on the face.
    1. VAF
      VAF 17 June 2012 10: 22
      +3
      Quote: volkan
      And I would advise critics to look at Amerov PMCs and their activities. Efficiency as they say on the face.


      Simple, +, without words!
    2.  pistons
      pistons 17 June 2012 12: 15
      0
      Give examples .. Iraq. Yugoslavia. Afghanistan. there that circumvention without combined-arms operations.? Navy and Air Force did not participate?
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 June 2012 16: 56
      -2
      Volkan those who are panicky afraid of losing power, they will never allow the creation of PMCs on the territory of Russia!
      1. Owl
        Owl 21 June 2012 16: 58
        0
        They will just create PMCs to protect "their lands", their property and to punish those who are dissatisfied with their "power".
    4. postman
      postman 17 June 2012 17: 00
      0
      Quote: volkan
      And I would advise critics to look at Amerov PMCs and their activities.

      Is it worth it?
      We hai them, subject them to obstruction,
      they all have r ... oh, non-traditional people, they’re ready to sell their mother for money, there’s no spirit, mercenaries, occupiers, etc.
      ??
  13. lotus04
    lotus04 17 June 2012 09: 13
    +2
    It looks like the Troll walked along the branch, well, it directly bombarded everyone. And besides, not one.
  14. kuzmich
    kuzmich 17 June 2012 09: 17
    +2
    Yes, what is there to think. We need PMCs, only I would like to make a correction. So that they would not have the right to act on the territory of the Russian Federation to represent anyone’s interests abroad, but there is a maximum of training and speaking at all kinds of competitions in the country.
  15. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 17 June 2012 09: 17
    -3
    But what about PMCs after Syria? because her bread is war, and if she is armed like that, then the army will not tame her either and she will get bread for herself wherever she wants, and it will end up with all of us plowing PMCs not burdened with morality, and the earth will burn around
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 17 June 2012 09: 44
      +2
      PMCs arm at their location. They will return to the country without weapons.
      1. postman
        postman 17 June 2012 15: 32
        +1
        Quote: AleksUkr
        PMCs arm at their location

        How so?
        Here we cannot deliver spare parts or components to Syria: we just "thought", and already everyone is yelling.
        You have an idea: to provide supplies and weapons for the deployment of the brigade (at least)?
    2. Delink
      Delink 17 June 2012 11: 09
      +2
      We will send to those points where the oil workers decide to stick their nose into someone else's ass. And we will become for them a big WANZ
  16. 10mihail
    10mihail 17 June 2012 09: 20
    +5
    I am for, you need to remove the ax with an ax !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  17. Owl
    Owl 17 June 2012 09: 23
    +1
    Judging by the forum, so many people have not played enough in the "war" yet, it would be funny if it were not sad, they just want to fight.
    1. volcano
      volcano 17 June 2012 10: 43
      +3
      Dear Owl. To my great regret, everything in the world is heading towards the fact that you will also have the opportunity to "play war".
      And you can’t refuse it.
      1. Owl
        Owl 17 June 2012 16: 50
        0
        these are my job responsibilities
    2. postman
      postman 17 June 2012 17: 19
      0
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      they want to just fight.

      I think everything is more prosaic, WHO WHO WANTS:
      - steer finances, i.e. cut
      -Get another managed force structure, the ARMY, which is not related to its people.

      And demos or okhlos ...... well: "people shavaet". Whatever the child is amused, if only he did not think.
  18. vladeinord
    vladeinord 17 June 2012 09: 27
    +6
    I am with both hands for PMC !!! Mercenaries or volunteers are not uncommon for Russia, but the main thing is that our government would not turn all this into another absurdity. You look, while PMC solves local problems, our army will gain strength.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 17 June 2012 09: 37
      +4
      The most important thing is that today's leaders, and even later on, do not think of PMCs to make personal security services for themselves, that is, attract them to domestic affairs - if they’re coming to the country.
      The fall of Rome, by the way, began with the fact that they began to attract an army to solve domestic problems.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 17 June 2012 09: 47
        +1
        To solve internal problems, we have fairly staffed MVD. Compared to the army, they all preserved and carried out reforms without sequestration. Army would be so! But while Serdyukovschina and K steers - no sense is expected.
  19. survivor
    survivor 17 June 2012 09: 39
    +5
    at one of the surviving forums I put forward an idea. that if nothing happens before the end of the year, people will arrange it themselves .... that would not be so offensive !!! by God, the people have so much aggression that if you do not send them to fight against an external enemy, they themselves will find an internal enemy.
  20. bubla5
    bubla5 17 June 2012 09: 40
    +2
    There is at least something reasonable in this idea, because it used to be -Bulgaria in the 18th century, the rise of the Boers, Spain, Vietnam, etc., but it's time to bones
  21. Khan93
    Khan93 17 June 2012 09: 40
    +1
    The idea with the Private Military Contractors of the Russian Federation is undoubtedly good, but I strongly doubt that the current elite will somehow encourage the creation of such armies, it will cost too much. If we don’t spend money on our defense industry, then they won’t definitely do it on PMCs. I don’t expect any contributions from oligarchs and officials. Although hell doesn’t joke, Putin doesn’t see how NATO is breeding world hegemony. The main thing is that this proposal should reach the Top of the Authority, and not get lost in the Internet environment, where they will simply muss and empty the phone ...
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 17 June 2012 12: 00
      +2
      Khan93,
      What are the contributions from the oligarchs !? They will pay for themselves and finance themselves! Just legalize! Accept the relevant laws on social protection and that's it! fellow
  22. uizik
    uizik 17 June 2012 09: 45
    +2
    The offer is very correct. Only the will of the leadership is needed .. The war is already underway, creeping, purposeful. If there is no rebuff, it will be. The creation of PMCs in Russia will cool the fervor, and there you can think about the division of spheres of influence in our favor. There will be no shortage in PMC personnel. that diplomacy is one thing, power is another.
  23. KAZAK67
    KAZAK67 17 June 2012 09: 50
    0
    PMC "Blackwater" from the US is the main supplier of death to Syria. 6000 CIA mercenaries ready for invasion.
  24. Nursultan
    Nursultan 17 June 2012 09: 53
    0
    A good idea. You can send the CSTO there under blue helmets
    1. VAF
      VAF 17 June 2012 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: Nursultan
      You can send the CSTO there under blue helmets


      The idea is yes, +! But about the CSTO, do not .... not seriously !!!
      1. marshes
        marshes 17 June 2012 11: 07
        0
        And Bardyuzha recently trolled this topic, but he was "hinted" only after receiving a UN mandate that Syria is not a member of the CSTO.
      2. sergo0000
        sergo0000 17 June 2012 12: 02
        0
        veteran.air force,
        I agree! This is an intervention in the internal affairs of the state-va!
  25. patriot2
    patriot2 17 June 2012 09: 54
    +1
    The idea with PMCs is not new. And for a long time requires elaboration and implementation. Mercenaries have always been and will be, but again, our binoculars even a good deal with shit ... m able to mix.
  26. Hey
    Hey 17 June 2012 10: 07
    0
    The idea is good. That's just me interested in such a question of recruitment and acquisition. Who to take there? The question of nationality, religion, territoriality, etc.
  27. sergey69
    sergey69 17 June 2012 10: 14
    -2
    There is a civil war in Syria. And it’s not the Americans who are fighting there, but the Syrian troops against the separatists (Syrian citizens) and mercenaries. And if the Americans will be there, they will simply bomb everything from planes, as in Libya, and there is nothing to do with Vietnam there. And if someone has itchy hands and wants to fight in PMCs, then a civil war has long been going on in the territory of Russia. Let them go to the Caucasus and hone their skills, destroying illegal gangs. Judging by the reports. There is still much work and there will be more benefit.
  28. Dusseldorf
    Dusseldorf 17 June 2012 10: 17
    +2
    Kyrgyz, "But what about the PMC after Syria? After all, its bread is war, and if you arm it like that, then the army will not tame it and it will get its own bread wherever it wants, and it all ends with the fact that we will all plow for PMC not burdened with morality, and all around the earth will burn "

    The ideal PMC - built on the example of the Cossacks in tsarist Russia. Out of fees, exercises and essno military operations, people live an ordinary peaceful life, receiving a monthly basic salary.
    I think that this idea will be supported by Cossack associations and veteran organizations ("Afghans", "Chechens", etc.), and our brothers from the southern provinces of Russia - Chechnya, Ossetia, Ingushetia, Dagestan, etc. should be interested in this.
    1. Dimasszzzz
      Dimasszzzz 17 June 2012 20: 55
      +1
      Totally agree with you yes . PMC - the solution to the problems of the Cossacks. As I hear about PMCs, associations immediately arise with the Cossacks. There was a very positive experience.
      1. radikdan79
        radikdan79 17 June 2012 21: 09
        0
        Dimasszzzz,
        I think you should not put PMCs and the Cossacks on the same line. Yet PMCs are a private company, and the "personnel" of this company are mercenaries who work out their fees, nothing more.
        as for the Cossacks - I will give an excerpt from the "Cossack Code of Honor" (there is one) http://orenkazak.ru/ideol-kodeks.html
        "... the Cossack is a servant of his Fatherland - Russia and its defender from external and internal enemies. The Cossacks see their main purpose in serving the people and Russia for their prosperity, and not for their own self-interest and glory. The Cossack is ready to shed his blood for this. ... "
        1. Dimasszzzz
          Dimasszzzz 17 June 2012 21: 47
          0
          "Dusseldorf, Ideal PMC - built on the example of the Cossacks in Tsarist Russia. Outside of training, training and essno hostilities, people live a normal, peaceful life, receiving a monthly basic salary. "
          If we realize PMCs in Russia, then the Cossacks could become a good example.
  29. 1d6e6d9
    1d6e6d9 17 June 2012 10: 22
    +1
    The idea with PMCs is correct. Volunteers and pros will gain combat experience obtained only in the field. As my commander said, in order to guarantee the accomplishment of the task, a practice is needed, which I have seen more than once. I would have signed up.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 17 June 2012 10: 32
      0
      Money will go there, not frail earning, and not die for the sake of some Assad there. If they pay more, then they will go easy on the side of the militants. Nothing personal, just business.
  30. Karabin
    Karabin 17 June 2012 10: 25
    -1
    Solve as soon as possible all legal issues through the State Duma. I think that all factions will support this proposal unanimously.
    They won’t even consider it. The authorities are simply afraid to have military structures that are not under its control. and rightly so.
    Well, are you already going to enroll in this PMC?
    And you show an example, Denis Mokrushin. Sign up for PMCs. Better yet, go to Syria as a volunteer tourist. What prevents that? Or do you have another path to call on others?
  31. Dusseldorf
    Dusseldorf 17 June 2012 10: 37
    +2
    Hey, "The idea is good. But I am interested in such a question of recruiting and recruiting. Who should I take there? The question of nationality, religion, territoriality, etc."
    And no segregation is necessary. I served with both Kazakhs and Nokhchi and Yakuts — excellent fighters and comrades. And everyone has shit.
    Many drink too much, go to crime and underground gangs because they do not find themselves in a peaceful life. Proper PMCs would be a good alternative to IMHO.
  32. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 17 June 2012 10: 41
    -1
    The slogan "Our PMCs to Syria!" it's time to replace it with the slogan "Our PMCs go to Iran!"
    For Iran can only be saved, in Syria you can only prolong the agony.
    IMHO.
  33. denkastro
    denkastro 17 June 2012 10: 42
    +4
    PMC is a private military company. Private. What kind of state? It will belong to some uncle Kolya. And all its advantages are that it does not work for the state and the disadvantages, by the way, are also from there. 100 times easier than specialists decommissioned or not (naturally, volunteers ) to contract and send to Syria on tourist or work visas. And PMCs should essentially create a large business (this is how it is all over the world) for their own money and for their own purposes. Most often, the geopolitical interests of the state are the interests of big business, so many countries have learned how to business decided dubious events for its own money. We will also soon see PMCs discussed in the government for a long time. I think that after working through all the "bottlenecks" there will be a law. The main thing is that the emergence of PMCs does not pose a threat to the integrity of Russia and the safety of its citizens. Imho.
    1. Delink
      Delink 17 June 2012 11: 19
      +2
      Here it is necessary that this PMC nevertheless reports directly to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Perhaps the president personally, for a quick response. Well, perhaps they would ride a plane with him, of course without leaving it until further notice. That is crazy thoughts.
  34. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 17 June 2012 10: 44
    +4
    an interesting proposal, they are also in the face of yes theirs the same weapon!))))) here amers will be surprised if this happens! you can’t surrender Syria and Iran, and Libya should be returned, at least partially, winked (at least 99%))))) laughing
  35. Chemist
    Chemist 17 June 2012 10: 51
    +3
    The idea is good, I like it, I’m not ready to join PMCs, and as an entrepreneur, I can easily bear the burden of taxes on this venture, the least I can do.
    Suvorov was right when he said golden words about his and foreign army.
  36. marshes
    marshes 17 June 2012 11: 17
    +1
    We can say the likeness of PMCs was planning a military coup, so look.
  37. Marmot
    Marmot 17 June 2012 11: 24
    +4
    survivor,
    Quote: survivor
    where is the recording done?

    at the nearest prosecutor’s office, under Art. 359 of the Criminal Code wink
    Well, Vietnam cannot be arranged for Amers either, because there will be no Ho Chi Minh trail, and all the strength of the North Vietnamese was in it, Syria has a mostly hostile environment from land, and the sea can be blocked.
    A friend of mine there served in Soviet times as an air defense technician, and so he didn’t speak flattering about Syrian officers, there are a lot of turkey pompous, not warriors, laziness and snobbery, we considered learning from ours below their dignity. And they told him that he himself was repairing everywhere, like undermining the authority of an officer, we have soldiers / sergeants doing it. He tells them that how do you teach your subordinates and control them if you don’t know the entrusted equipment? And they told him, they say, this is not a royal matter. That's right, that's why their Jews were constantly hammering.
    But you cannot lose Syria. Something like that
    1. survivor
      survivor 17 June 2012 11: 29
      0
      no, I do not aspire there .... belay
    2. postman
      postman 17 June 2012 15: 44
      +2
      Quote: Groundhog
      Marmot RU Today, 11:24

      I would also add Article 353 of the Criminal Code,
      By the way, for both JUDGMENT: FSB of the Russian Federation, control by the Prosecutor's Office.
      For reference, for recruits of the French foreign legion, they have not yet renounced Russian citizenship (even if they have French or residence permit) = when they appear on the territory of the Russian Federation: 100% shines Art. 359 part 3 + for what he did
      1. Gleb Lukich
        Gleb Lukich 18 June 2012 08: 52
        0
        Nonsense. They don't just fly with Russian citizenship, but on departure they show a legionnaire's certificate instead of a visa. "Russian Forum about IL" to help you. Or go to the "forum of investigators and prosecutors", there is a seven-page topic - the man first served in the IL, then in the RF Armed Forces, in that order, they tried to find an article for him there. Failed.
        1. postman
          postman 18 June 2012 23: 43
          +1
          Quote: Gleb Lukich
          Nonsense.

          Well, this is ours, from the bottom of our hearts, from ears to heels.
          ONLY I DID THE Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, if it is "Nonsense", the flag to you (well, where it is always) and try in the UK.
          I AM YOU ABOUT THE LAW, AND YOU ABOUT FORUMS
          http://legionetrangere.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1340
          WONDERFUL, But there is one BUT:
          International humanitarian law (or the law of armed conflict) does not directly prohibit mercenaries, but merely means that mercenaries are not combatants and do not have the right to prisoner of war status. This means that the mercenary runs the risk of being prosecuted for participating in an armed conflict if captured.
          National criminal law

          At the national level, many countries have laws prohibiting the recruitment of mercenaries. In Russia, this is article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, according to which the recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as his use in armed conflict or military operations, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of four to eight years, and participation in armed conflict as a mercenary - imprisonment of four to eight years


          Quote: Gleb Lukich
          and on the road they show the legionnaire’s ID

          b] touched. You probably do not often pass through the FSB FSB?
          read the Federal Law of April 3, 1995 No. 40-FZ "On the Federal Security Service" and the Law of the Russian Federation of April 1, 1993 No.
          No. 4730-I "On the State Border of the Russian Federation" (as amended)
          I DO NOT KNOW WHERE YOU, well, at least call here:
          Contact phone, fax:
          8(812) 578-03-45 , 8(812) 578-04-64
          make it clear to you
          Quote: Gleb Lukich
          instead of a visa.


          Quote: Gleb Lukich
          there is a seven-page topic - a person first served in the IL, then in the RF Armed Forces,

          Oh well.
          Found such an opus. Are you talking about this?

          For admins, note: I did not write essno, the spelling was observed from the original, found on the recommendation of "Lukich", no warning or ban is necessary.
          1. Gleb Lukich
            Gleb Lukich 20 June 2012 02: 25
            0
            My dear friend, I do not know what is "h / z", etc. As a former legionnaire, I inform you: to enter the Russian Federation you need a passport, to leave you need a visa in your passport. For legionnaires, it is replaced by a "serviceman's certificate" of the French model, of course. I won't tell you about all airports, but Sheremetyevo-2 has a sample of this certificate. Checked (four times). This is to the question of Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. As a personal favor, I inform you that a soldier of any army with any citizenship at the same time cannot be recognized as a mercenary. Precisely because he is a soldier. Including a legionnaire, for the Legion is a unit in the French Armed Forces.
            The story I spoke of is given here: http://law.vl.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9507
            1. postman
              postman 24 June 2012 21: 51
              +2
              for the respected Gleb Lukich:
              1.h / s - this is through. Pardon.
              2.
              Quote: Gleb Lukich
              As a former legionnaire, I inform
              .
              The Legionnaire has nothing to do with the Federal Law (which I have listed) and the order of departure / entry into the territory of the Russian Federation. To enter / leave it is necessary:
              - a passport with a visa (valid)
              -sailor's passport
              years certificate
              diplomatic passport
              -Passport and residence permit are taken.
              - temporary certificate of entry issued by the consular / embassy department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation in the country of residence, in case of loss
              - decision on administrative expulsion
              -for a child -power of attorney
              -UNLP (not for all countries)

              ALL!!!!!
              NOT ANYTHING
              Quote: Gleb Lukich
              French "serviceman's certificate"

              NEITHER FRENCH OR RUSSIAN - NOT PROVIDED

              I don’t know about you at Sheremetyevo, but Pulkovo will have a "zugunder", immediately and for a long time. And on land, you with such documents will not pass beyond the first barrier, and even the fungi will not allow picking up the border zone.
              For reference: s / my passport "takes off" in 1-1,5 years, Even with a 3-year Schengen visa, just from stamps.
              I gave the coordinates. ASK
              http://ps.fsb.ru
              3. about everything else, my opinion is that you mislead the inexperienced.
              I’ll try to find out more precisely in the near future. I have active sludge employees, though on a German branch, the immigrants themselves from Ukraine. They will comment.
              4. to the question about 359 - ask on the website of the prosecutor's office, it is better anonymously. FSB jurisdiction - you can also ask

              5.
              Quote: Gleb Lukich
              In the form of a personal favor, I inform

              I DO NOT NEED any "favor" from you, either personal or public.
              I am a reserve officer of the USSR Armed Forces (I was still swearing an oath), now Russia.
              DO NOT confuse you with a fried egg.
              I tell you about mercenaries, you tell me about the military personnel of the Armed Forces of any army.
              I mean the legislation of the Russian Federation, you mean Sheremetyevo and "personal" experience

              I have not read about "history" and I hardly will.
              I brought the "history" in the chats that you indicated, but the admins deleted it, due to the abundance of mate
  38. Dusseldorf
    Dusseldorf 17 June 2012 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: marshes
    We can say the likeness of PMCs was planning a military coup, so look.

    Controlling one legal structure is simpler and more reliable than twenty clandestine ones.
    1. marshes
      marshes 17 June 2012 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: Dyusseldorf
      Controlling one legal structure is simpler and more reliable than twenty clandestine ones.

      So she was legal, a security service of a senior official.
  39. Dusseldorf
    Dusseldorf 17 June 2012 11: 47
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    Quote: marshes
    So she was legal, a security service of a senior official.

    Minus KNB. Or Nazarbayev also wanted to play democracy? - one of the most adequate politicians of the "big empire" seems to have been. And what was planned, but not implemented, plus in His favor.
    1. marshes
      marshes 17 June 2012 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: Dyusseldorf
      Minus KNB

      So it was created under the roof of the KNB and they trained in Lebanon and other countries and everything looked legal. All the best officers were pulled with high salaries.
  40. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 17 June 2012 11: 49
    +1
    And WHAT WILL BE THE STATUS OF POWS FROM A NUMBER OF PMCS ???

    The experience of world wars shows that, on average, two out of every three captured are returned alive at home. And the conventions do not apply to mercenaries, you can do anything with them.
  41. Volkhov
    Volkhov 17 June 2012 11: 52
    -2
    Syria already has PMCs, but on the other side, there are "North Caucasians" with AK-12s, but also as instructors for militants.
    In reality, the Russian Federation is on the West’s side, the militants in Syria are littered with Russian weapons, as well as in Libya, Assad refused the presence of Russian troops, because they already saw the Trojan horse in that region, the boat was returned home.
    The West lost the conflict by pushing the neutral country into Nazi allies with its own efforts, and America does not risk rocking against them, because it outwitted itself, ruined the USSR and lost cover from its main enemy.
    Just Blackwater found only 6 thousand stupid Arabs, and really want to add Russian. If it was a question of the war for Assad, then it is necessary to turn to him, no PMC is needed, only a ticket, his own weapon there.
  42. Borodach
    Borodach 17 June 2012 11: 53
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    Greetings to the members of the forum and draw their attention to the article that the good old "Blєkvoturs" verbanula and sends namniks from Muslim countries to Syria. Therefore, we conclude that the enemy is already one step ahead, so a decision must be made. Slowing down death is similar, but a decision balanced and deliberate - in real life, not only bots will have to resist, but also those who sponsor them, and with the introduction of a Russian PMC in Syria, the number of enemy sponsors will increase, will the Russian economy, politicians, or will have to fight again on Intuzazism? in Ukraine, just do not recruit Bender, otherwise these rats will gain experience and will start fighting against them, they have such a nature.
  43. Dusseldorf
    Dusseldorf 17 June 2012 12: 00
    +1
    Quote: Borodach
    By the way, recruitment can be carried out and in Ukraine you can’t only get a bender, otherwise these rats will gain experience, and they will start to fight against them;

    The fact of the matter is that rats are actively gaining and gaining experience both in Chechnya and Georgia and in other conflicts against us.
  44. Borodach
    Borodach 17 June 2012 12: 04
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    Greetings to the members of the forum and draw their attention to the article that the good old "Blєkvoturs" verbanula and sends namniks from Muslim countries to Syria. Therefore, we conclude that the enemy is already one step ahead, so a decision must be made. Slowing down death is similar, but a decision balanced and deliberate - in real life, not only bots will have to resist, but also those who sponsor them, and with the introduction of a Russian PMC in Syria, the number of enemy sponsors will increase, will the Russian economy, politicians, or will have to fight again on Intuzazism? in Ukraine, just do not recruit Bender, otherwise these rats will gain experience and will start fighting against them, they have such a nature.
    1. lcalex
      lcalex 17 June 2012 12: 19
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      Quote: Borodach
      the enemy is one step ahead, respectively need to make a decision.


      It is these doubts that gnaw at me.
      If PMCs help Syria, then we will not be in time. Because there, if it starts, in the near future.
      But our government will scratch its turnip while it passes the law, while the dough will be allocated (and sawed) ...... In short, PMCs themselves are needed, but we won’t have time to send them to Syria
      1. radikdan79
        radikdan79 17 June 2012 12: 27
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        lcalex,
        unfortunately, Iran looms ahead ... and who knows where the interests of Russia are ...
  45. lcalex
    lcalex 17 June 2012 12: 13
    +3
    What can I say - the condottieres (mercenaries) have been at all times!
    PMCs are needed, only all measures must be taken so that they do not make us all laugh inside the Russian Federation !!
  46. sergo0000
    sergo0000 17 June 2012 12: 15
    +1
    Compared with the previous discussion, there are much more supporters of PMCs now! And it pleases me personally. Live with wolves howl like wolves! After all, weapons of mass destruction are not invented in Russia, but you have to have them! winked
  47. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 17 June 2012 12: 15
    +1
    The opinion of a general from a respected management merits careful consideration. This is firstly! Secondly, why should a legal entity be necessarily Russian. You can register an international PMC somewhere in Cyprus and provide services. After all, people decide the issue. Specific people, not a legal cover. And you can always otmazatsya that the services of maintaining public order in Syria, Greece or the United States, provided an international private military company. And the fact that specialists from Russia, Nauru or Nepal are working in it is already an 10 question.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 17 June 2012 12: 25
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      Quote: AK-74-1
      Why should a legal entity be necessarily Russian.

      Andrey, I consider this question to be fundamental. PMCs should have a Russian connection, so that it would be clear to everyone with whom they deal. This is a matter of prestige.
  48. igor_ua.
    igor_ua. 17 June 2012 12: 31
    +4
    Quote: survivor
    he didn’t speak flattering about Syrian officers, pompous turkeys, and not warriors, a lot of laziness and snobbery, they considered learning from ours below their dignity.

    smile You are speaking the truth! He practiced kung fu with an Arab trainer. There were some Arabs in the group (from different countries) and I was one crest)) So the fighters from them are like a dagger from a gamma .. It turns out that this is all sleek, technical, ferocious, powerful, but runs into stiff, unshakable resistance and everything kapets-broke ! Strength, ability to continue with him, I see that it’s unmeasured, but the spirit evaporated somewhere ... I was blown away! And so with everyone !! And ambition .. The coach set me to replace myself with a workout - so some turned their nose, did not recognize I had to force ..))
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    Making noise, screaming in the streets, waving something, running around - these are they. But to fight like ours near Stalingrad - never!
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    THERE'S PUMPING SYRIA WITH A WEAPON - AND WILL BE FIRED BY ANYONE ((
  49. htpm100
    htpm100 17 June 2012 12: 31
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    I may be wrong, but why do we need PMCs (which may include not only veterans but also thugs and just gangsters) that can cover our sun with their actions (looting, killing of civilians) it is not advisable to send special forces units they do not need to be created from 0 and you can be sure that they will carry out their combat mission without reproach, experience in fighting in cities with rebel units already exists
  50. Marmot
    Marmot 17 June 2012 12: 34
    -4
    Uncles, well, you created PMCs, sent to Syria, to supply everything you need, from grub, uniforms and medicines to ammunition, how will you be?
    Syria is in an unfriendly ring, a blockade from the sea like two fingers on asphalt, and the supply of Assad’s opponents is easy and unconstrained.
    And in general, they are unlikely to create PMCs, right now we have a company for disarmament of ordinary private security companies, with official ILs, but here such a structure with serious weapons will not, will not, be afraid. In our area, law enforcement officers are in full swing every time when the IPSC or high-precision teams officially organize their competitions. So everything is legal there, under the auspices of respected people with epaulettes and then they are nervous, how did 30-50 people organize themselves with WEAPONS!