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Trump blocks Turkey's F-35 supply due to C-400, Ankara refuses Patriot

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Turkish resource AHVAL has published information that US President Donald Trump intends to once again block the supply of Turkey's F-35. The Turks refer to the Government Spending Act, signed by the head of the United States last Friday.




There are two paragraphs in the law that relate directly to US-Turkish relations.

According to the bill, the delivery of Ankara aircraft will be blocked until the US Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense provide updated information on the report on Turkey’s purchase of a missile defense system C – 400 from the Russian Federation. The Pentagon must give its assessment of this situation, and the document signed by the President of the United States freezes the sending of F-35 to at least 1 in November of 2019.

In an earlier report to Congress, announced last fall, the military said that Turkey’s purchase of Russian C-400 systems could lead to the potential exclusion of Ankara from the F-35 program, as well as affect its acquisition of other types of weapons, including CH-47F Chinook and UH-60 Black Hawk, as well as fighter jets F-16, which are assembled under license in Turkey.



On Monday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan confirmed the purchase of C-400 and stated that the supply of missile defense systems would remain in force. Turkey expects the receipt of missiles this year, and Russian officials confirm their readiness to complete the transaction in full. At the same time, in his speech, Erdogan expressed interest in the “Patriots” and repeated three conditions for their purchase: technology transfer, co-production and financial support. The United States so far refuses to fulfill such conditions, and therefore Ankara refuses to buy Patriot.

The Russians said they would deliver C-400 in a short time at a very good price plus guarantee the transfer of promising technologies.

- said at a briefing held after a visit to Washington, Chairman of the Turkish Parliamentary Committee on Foreign Affairs.

The congressional bill requires US departments to draw up a detailed description of plans for imposing sanctions in case Turkey does adopt the C-400 system: according to section 231, the Law on Countering Russian Influence in Europe and Eurasia from 2017 (public law 115-44) "-CAATSA.

Also, the document requires to block the sale weapons Turkish security services in charge of Recep Erdogan’s security. The reason was the latest attack on the protesters in New York, in the United States issued an arrest warrant for suspects.

In the meantime, the chairman of the Directorate of the Defense Industry of Turkey, Ismail Demir, in his interview to the pro-government NTV channel, excluded the delivery of American systems in the form currently offered to Turkey.

At the moment, both of the officially transferred F-35 to Turkey (the entire Middle Eastern state ordered one hundred cars) are still in the United States.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 February 2019 05: 41
    +5
    East. They know how to bargain. Or - or .... And he will take this and that, also with technology.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 21 February 2019 07: 10
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy

      East. They know how to bargain.

      by the way, those who do not know how, do not respect a priori. mentality however ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 21 February 2019 09: 19
        +3
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Mavrikiy

        East. They know how to bargain.

        by the way, those who do not know how, do not respect a priori. mentality however ...

        You are mistaken. Those who do not bargain or do not know how to bargain are despised.
        But something else worries me - technology transfer. And not even sales, but technology transfer.
        To whom? The one who tomorrow can easily turn to us booty and to the United States before?
        If I'm not mistaken, there was such infa, we are building "Akkuyu" at our own expense, but what, the Turks do not have a "gold reserve"? But what about the ordered 100 F-35? Not at American expense? Fresh legend ...
        Something, it seems to me, we behave with the Turks somehow humiliatingly, helpfully. That case when you want to make a mistake.
        1. mihai_md2003
          mihai_md2003 21 February 2019 10: 12
          +4
          When caring for someone else’s girl, it’s normal to be more helpful. Turkey is American and NATO and they dance it. The supply of C400 is already a great success and advertising. It’s good that Erdogan has eggs and he can insist on his own in terms of American pressure, I think that’s why the Americans wanted to destroy him.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 21 February 2019 13: 21
            -1
            Quote: mihai_md2003
            When caring for someone else’s girl, it’s normal to be more helpful. Turkey is American and NATO and they dance it. The supply of C400 is already a great success and advertising. It’s good that Erdogan has eggs and he can insist on his own in terms of American pressure, I think that’s why the Americans wanted to destroy him.

            So we should dance it, and not wave it.
            1. bayard
              bayard 22 February 2019 04: 00
              0
              Turkey is consistently and (it seems to me) purposefully going to break with the USA and even NATO. But without excessively abrupt movements. The key moment will come when the S-400s go into service with the Turkish army - Turkey will finally have its own MODERN air defense. Having this, it is already possible to safely remove American aircraft from their bases along with personnel and other specialists in organizing coups d'etat and killing legally elected presidents.
              They will buy aviation from us, possibly even with the localization of production (they themselves have said this more than once), as well as much more that coup specialists do not want to give them ... sorry, NATO partners.
              And the nuclear power plant in Akuya is ours. Yes, on the territory of Turkey, but ours, under our technical and financial control. The generated electricity will be sold to Turkish consumers. Until the end of its operation. And the money for the construction is credit funds received under Turkish guarantees. RosAtom and all its partners in cooperation in this construction will receive very good money for their work (construction of a nuclear power plant), and then "all their life" they will receive profit from its operation, gradually repaying the loan from the current profit.
              Is it really beautiful?
              And everyone is good.
              And any force majeure at the expense of the Turkish government (bank guarantees).

              And the Turks are already interested in our small arms ... and helicopters ...
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2019 10: 29
                0
                [quote = bayard]
                Turkey is consistently and (it seems to me) purposefully going to break with the USA and even NATO. But without excessively abrupt movements. The key moment will come when the S-400 goes into service with the Turkish army [/ quote
                Well, you turned it on cold. As they say - cute scold - only amuse themselves.
                According to "Akuyu" - hi
                1. bayard
                  bayard 22 February 2019 13: 34
                  0
                  In Turkey, they have been talking about this (about withdrawing from NATO, breaking up with the United States and purchasing our aircraft) for more than a year, and at the same time - the highest state ones. officials, including the prime minister. Apparently an attempted coup and assassination of the president, seriously changed their attitude towards the world around them. Not only Erdogan - the entire Turkish elite. And those who drowned for America were transplanted for rebellion, dismissed from service, isolated from power.
                  The behavior of the United States deeply offends the Turks, what kind of "cute" ones here ... All the "cute" ones are already isolated from society - like enemies of the Turkish people.
        2. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 21 February 2019 13: 00
          +1
          This is all taken into account ....
    2. mihai_md2003
      mihai_md2003 21 February 2019 10: 07
      +1
      These same Americans were trying to physically destroy Erdogan, including using aircraft. This is a security issue, not a trade. With 400, Americans are unlikely to be able to turn off quietly.
    3. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 21 February 2019 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      East. They know how to bargain. Or - or .... And he will take this and that, also with technology.

      Here is an example of what to do, for countries that want to abandon the purchase of the F-35. The Russian complex S-400 was bought by the Americans themselves blocked the supply of their aircraft.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 21 February 2019 05: 47
    +10
    Personally, I have a split opinion. (Sorry for the Albanian)
    On the one hand, rapprochement with Turkey is certainly good.
    On the other, Erdogan is not eternal! They will kill him. Well, too, he became uncomfortable USA!
    And our S-400s will go to the proving grounds in the states, but there is still the S-300V in Venezuela, and they too, with a high degree of probability, will soon arrive in the USA.
    States play for a long time, they have a lot of money, local elites are sold and bought at a ruble (dollar) handful!
    And they will not leave alone Turkey and Venezuela. Methods of "color" revolutions have been worked out IN PRACTICE to the smallest detail and manuals are corrected in a timely manner. Classic military coups are a thing of the past.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 21 February 2019 07: 11
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      Personally, I have a split opinion. (Sorry for the Albanian)

      Clients fkurse and adobryae.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 21 February 2019 07: 57
      +1
      yeah they’ll take it and leave))))) they are always followed and this is a big scandal
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 21 February 2019 09: 26
        0
        In what conditions do we sell air defense to Turkey? Also a technology transfer?
    3. mihai_md2003
      mihai_md2003 21 February 2019 10: 23
      -2
      Sooner or later, the C400 will hit it anyway, or it has hit the Americans for a long time. We must constantly develop, and not fall for a miracle weapon. And yes, the biggest danger for Russia is corruption within the country. Until it’s defeated, no matter what you do, and no matter how miraculous the weapons are, they are like carrying water in a sieve. It is necessary to adopt the experience of China or to recall its own with the OBKhSS. Often it was enough to remember only one mention of this organization so that everyone tensed up.
      PS "After Zakharchenko's" black bookkeeping "was discovered, Alexander Bastrykin refused to give a moral assessment to this person [13], the chairman of the TFR was deeply impressed that" next to the sum of 600 euros is written "trifle".
    4. haham
      haham 21 February 2019 11: 57
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      S-300V in Venezuela and they too, with a high degree of probability, will soon reach the United States.

      One of the S-300 systems, located at the Minsk Anti-Aircraft Missile School, was sold to the United States and transported to one of the military bases.
    5. bayard
      bayard 22 February 2019 04: 10
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      States play for a long time, they have a lot of money, local elites are sold and bought at a ruble (dollar) handful!
      And they will not leave alone Turkey and Venezuela. Methods of "color" revolutions have been worked out IN PRACTICE to the smallest detail and manuals are corrected in a timely manner. Classic military coups are a thing of the past.

      What a panegyric you rolled the states. So then they are doing well ... Is that so? Something malfunctioning behind them malfunctioning. With the EU, they almost got on their knives ... of course they are afraid, they are screaming, but nevertheless they already object and even misfire the secretaries who are too presumptuous ... They even put S. Korea in their place! And nothing - are. Until they fall ... But for now ... We'll wait.
    6. Dr. Bermental
      Dr. Bermental 22 February 2019 08: 10
      0
      so in the contract there is probably a clause on the transfer to third countries, otherwise it could accidentally "break" and disconnect forever ...
  3. Andrea
    Andrea 21 February 2019 05: 51
    +5
    And why do the Turks need a soap bubble with software completely controlled by the United States? Israel, is afraid of using its F35 in Syria for some reason, what ... not so, the USA is afraid of using the F35 in Syria.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 21 February 2019 06: 02
      +2
      The states opened the software source codes to Israel and the Jews rewrite / edit it as they like.
      None of the F-35 buyers have such an opportunity.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 February 2019 09: 08
        0
        The British .... can do it too.
      2. Dr. Bermental
        Dr. Bermental 22 February 2019 08: 17
        0
        Yes, they would have hacked anyway, so they passed it)))
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 February 2019 06: 47
      -1
      Quote: Andrea
      And why do the Turks need a soap bubble with software completely controlled by the United States? Israel, is afraid of using its F35 in Syria for some reason, what ... not so, the USA is afraid of using the F35 in Syria.

      I read that they use. I read that already without lenses.
      1. Professor
        Professor 21 February 2019 08: 10
        -2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Congressional Congress requires US agencies to draw up a detailed description of plans to impose sanctions on

        Do not use, but apply. Moreover, this is official information from Norkin.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 February 2019 07: 02
      +1
      The Turks may not mind buying our Su-57, but it’s only necessary to change the entire arsenal of armaments for aircraft, and this is a hefty cost, there are no other fifth-generation aircraft for NATO ammunition on sale.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 February 2019 07: 56
        +1
        Quote: Herman 4223

        Turks may not mind our su-57, but that's just

        everyone does not mind buying, even the Russian Air Force, but only ....
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 February 2019 09: 09
        0
        Following the example of the Hindus with the Su30MKI, it will not be necessary.
    4. Dr. Bermental
      Dr. Bermental 22 February 2019 08: 12
      0
      it’s just a business model for enrichment rather than for fighting ....
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 February 2019 06: 01
    +4
    Found a scythe on a stone. The Americans certainly did not expect such obstinacy of the Turkish side. It was hoped that, as usual, they would threaten with a finger, possible sanctions, not the supply of arms, and Turkey, as pretty, would do anything to please the United States. But no, miscalculated. We will observe how this verbal (so far) duel ends.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 21 February 2019 06: 05
      +5
      It seems to me that Erdogan was given iron evidence of an attempt to overthrow him (with subsequent destruction) precisely on the basis of the DIRECT directive and organization of a rebellion from the White House.
      His insult is "strong."
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 February 2019 08: 22
        +2
        Quote: Victor_B
        It seems to me that Erdogan was given iron evidence of an attempt to overthrow him (with subsequent destruction) precisely on the basis of the DIRECT directive and organization of a rebellion from the White House.
        His insult is "strong."

        "the secret of polichenel already" ..
    2. Dr. Bermental
      Dr. Bermental 22 February 2019 08: 13
      0
      business will end)
  5. Yustet1950
    Yustet1950 21 February 2019 06: 32
    +1
    The supply of systems is a plus, but the fact that together with the technology is a minus. Now think about who is who.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 21 February 2019 07: 30
      +2
      If there is better technology, then you can sell worse. But also - depending on what money. what what
  6. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 February 2019 06: 37
    +3
    We like it when there are contradictions in NATO countries.
  7. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 February 2019 06: 52
    +1
    Turkey will sooner or later become the Turkish Autonomous Okrug within the Russian Federation. And where to put them? They don’t take to Europe. The point is small - to prepare the public morally. Will have to accept. You just need to get used to this thought.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 21 February 2019 07: 35
      +3
      Autonomous Okrug - unlikely. Turkey by population - two Ukraine. Perhaps for starters in the role of a union state. wink And there it will be seen.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2019 08: 25
        0
        Of course not right away, Victor, hi but I have a feeling that we are already looking at each other, we are grinding ourselves, so to speak. And then a lot of the benefits of such a reunion. Consider the straits, the Turks-nuclear umbrella, we buffer zone if we estimate-profitable business for both countries. NATO is at a loss, China and Iran are also a good horse ride.
    2. KARAKURT15
      KARAKURT15 21 February 2019 07: 37
      +3
      You will not get along)) For a year of such coexistence, the number of Muslims in Russia will be about 230 million. But seriously and without jokes, then taking into account the current number of Muslims in Russia about 000 million add another 000 million of your "Turkish Autonomous Okrug" to this, then you get more than half of the country as Muslims. Further, mixed marriages and the emergence of a new race. By 30, there will be no Slavs in Russia. Then they will not ask for Europe, but they themselves finally take the Old Woman and attach it to the Moscow Kaganate. wink
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 21 February 2019 07: 59
        +1
        you have problems with muslims? even if they raise the size of Russia
        1. KARAKURT15
          KARAKURT15 21 February 2019 08: 13
          +1
          [/ quote] you have problems with muslims? [quote]

          Absolutely no ma'am)) I myself am one of them love
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 21 February 2019 08: 35
            +1
            then what problems? let people live in our country, work in our country and raise children
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2019 08: 33
        +1
        Let's get along. You say Muslims, we also have Muslims, here is Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, the Caucasus, but the demographic situation is not changing. About the new race is to the reptilians. And who are the Slavs in your understanding? One person said, "Rub any Russian well, you will find a Tatar. About the Kaganate, this is how Prince Svyatoslav the Brave defeated the parasitic Khazaria.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 21 February 2019 08: 56
          +3
          People, I read and laugh at you, are you sober at all?) The Turks went slightly across the word of the states, and you have already gathered to fraternize with them forgetting about the plane, and about all the wars and everything else. Yes, it’s been peace with them for a long time, but these are absolutely not the same people and the wrong mentality. The sad history of our relationship has postponed the corresponding effect for centuries.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 21 February 2019 09: 14
            0
            There were wars with many nations, now they are part of Russia and exist due to joining the Russian Federation. The mentality of the side when it comes to the survival of the people. The Turks are already surviving, but may disappear altogether, they will have to work on themselves, rethink everything. If their Anglo-Saxons have been insistent on the whole history against Russia, this does not mean that this can continue indefinitely. You have to make a choice.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 February 2019 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Turkey will sooner or later become the Turkish Autonomous Okrug within the Russian Federation

      and what are you curious about smoking ??? Turks will give up their independence ?? Yeah, we’ve run now. You don’t know a gram of the Turks campaign.
      And okay, a miracle happened there at once everyone was stupefied, but what in Russia too ??? Add 83 million Muslim populations with a high birth rate)))) Plus 20 million Russian Muslims. And a low birth rate for the Russians themselves)))
      Yes fantasized enough.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2019 12: 43
        0
        The Turks were never independent - they are the weapons of the Anglo-Saxons against Russia. It is necessary for the Turkish people to rise above the problem and deploy bayonets 180 g. Stop being a puppet.
        In the subjects of the federation located in the Caucasus, the birth rate is also higher than the national average, so what?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 February 2019 12: 46
          +1
          Quote: Tank jacket
          The Turks were never independent - they are the weapons of the Anglo-Saxons against Russia.

          Well, think so.
          hi
      2. KARAKURT15
        KARAKURT15 22 February 2019 07: 07
        0
        Yes, stop it, tore such a performance! Let me familiarize ourselves with the thoughts of the Muscovites, the mood only began to normalize, and you ...)))
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 21 February 2019 07: 06
    +1
    Games \ trading. Political + commercial interests! Over time, one way or another will be decided.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 21 February 2019 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Over time, one way or another will be decided.

      Or maybe not. what do you think the Turks will do when they have both the F-35 and the S400? likely to conduct exercises using both. Well, purely to understand what the money is paid for. ours are not afraid of this prospect, but the Americans are very worried about something. just imagine for a second that it turns out that the "invisible plane" is not invisible at all. it is simply unclear what with mediocre flight characteristics and at exorbitant prices. Can Lockheed withstand such a blow?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 February 2019 14: 19
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        will probably conduct exercises using both of them. Well, purely to understand what money is paid for.

        while invisible no one can create, stealth. This is also a relative concept, i.e. from what angle to look !!!
        If SAM, missiles can be modified! remove signatures, register an identification scheme, i.e. in reality, the complex will see and recognize, accordingly, it can BE ATBACK! Things are much more complicated with an airplane. Something can be improved, add electronic warfare, but fundamentally TTX glider on the topic of stealth, it is unlikely to improve it ....
        those. died, so died and after SUCH "examination - competition" the winner, obviously, will be our air defense system !!! Striped it is necessary ???
        While our sho then declare, many Westerners, although they will doubt it, will somehow support an ally !!!
        If SULTAN expresses his p-fe-e, it will be a kirdyk to a striped penguin!
  9. Runoway
    Runoway 21 February 2019 07: 53
    0
    And what for again "at a very good price, plus they guarantee the transfer of promising technologies"
    Doesn’t it bother anyone?
  10. Kharkiv
    Kharkiv 21 February 2019 08: 08
    -1
    Well done Trump, more and more pushing Turkey to the Su-57 and exit from NATO
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 21 February 2019 09: 24
      -2
      Which on * 57th ??? You don’t have it yourself, but you are talking about Turkey. If their secretary of defense blurted something out, then this is only for baiting the Yankees. 57th even to bring to mind and bring, and God forbid, as a result, it will not be declared a flying backlog for the 6th generation. And during this time, so many Erdogans will change, well, or change during it, then either su-24, then tomatoes, then again to the gums and from -400, and in just three years
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 February 2019 09: 44
    0
    Turkey is part of the NATO alliance, although in fact it is in confrontation with NATO. This is hesitant in Europe to admit publicly.
    Erdogan has arrested or fired 3/4 of his air force's military pilots "for treason" or "political insecurity." In fact, there is no one to fly on the F-35 ...
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 21 February 2019 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      There is no one to fly on the F-35 itself ...

      And then I’ve got it, or what?

      Alexei, I didn’t expect from you somehow ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 February 2019 09: 51
        -1
        You want to say that you didn’t expect this from Erdogan? smile
        I myself am amazed: he actually defeated his own (very strong) Air Force because of his paranoia.
        Read:
        "How Turkey Destroyed Its Own Air Force"
        1. akims
          akims 21 February 2019 10: 40
          +1
          According to CNN Turk, armed soldiers descended from helicopters to the hotel. However, they did not find the president himself. According to Al Jazeera, referring to the correspondence of the rebels, Erdogan left the hotel 30 minutes before the rebel soldiers entered ...
          ... As reported, during a repressed attempted military coup on July 15-16, the rebels used combat helicopterswho, in particular, bombed the parliament building in Ankara and other objects
          If you have paranoia, this does not mean that you are not being watched.
        2. dinis
          dinis 21 February 2019 10: 44
          +1
          He defeated his Air Force because of the betrayal of these same pilots. That's right and did. What is paranoia here?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 February 2019 11: 15
            -3
            If 4 pilots participated in the attempted assassination attempt and were arrested and tried, this is legal and reasonable. But if more than 600 combat pilots are fired, then this is paranoia.
            1. dinis
              dinis 21 February 2019 12: 07
              0
              You want to think so, or rather you want us to think so. The Turkish air forces were very much riddled with traitors.
        3. Consultant
          Consultant 21 February 2019 11: 15
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          You want to say that you didn’t expect this from Erdogan?

          Nah ... I said exactly what I wanted.

          You, like, from adequate. And your name is not Oleg laughing

          And your statement about "no one to fly" for some reason reminded me of "green grapes" (Krylov).
        4. Wolf
          Wolf 21 February 2019 13: 19
          0
          There was no paranoia, the Sultan did not know about the plan to destroy SU 24, just the United States gave its order to the Turkish Air Force. Half intelligence Turkey under the control of London, too. The murder of the Russian Ambassador in Turkey. Who organized the flood in Turkey and protest?
          These backup Sultan in the USA is ready. So there is no talk of paranoia.
        5. KARAKURT15
          KARAKURT15 22 February 2019 07: 20
          0
          There were arrests, then many were rehabilitated. And not to such an extent ... Do not believe everything written on the Internet ..
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 February 2019 12: 42
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Actually, there is no one to fly on the F-35 ..

      Well, of course you are exaggerating. First, nobody was going to give them 100 F-35 at a time. 2 were transferred and these pilots are being trained in the USA. And there are enough personnel. The Turkish Air Force is active and schools like for the pilots in the country were not closed.
      Therefore, they have someone to fly.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 February 2019 12: 48
        +1
        Of course, I exaggerated. But training a combat pilot costs millions of dollars and takes several years. Plus, educated young people from elites usually go to pilots. Peasants cannot be recruited there, no matter how politically they may be for Erdogan.
        And the elites are unlikely to forgive such humiliating mass purges in the ranks of their youth. So, Erdogan has a serious problem with the Air Force.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 February 2019 12: 55
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Of course, I exaggerated. But training a combat pilot costs millions of dollars and takes several years.

          and the putsch was in 2016, now 2019 and not everyone was planted.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Peasants cannot be recruited there, no matter how politically they may be for Erdogan

          Quote: voyaka uh
          So, Erdogan has a serious problem with the Air Force.

          Watch Russian TV less or don’t know what you are watching there thinking that he has a problem with the elites only. He has 42% support, all the last elections have shown that. Do you think the remaining 58% of Turkey are representatives of the elite?)))
          So that he has a problem with a lot of people.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 February 2019 13: 29
            0
            I don’t watch any TV. I don’t know what is the balance of power in Turkey.
            But I read an article about the state of the Air Force after the purges (which continue now).
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 February 2019 13: 53
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              I don’t watch any TV. I don’t know what is the balance of power in Turkey.

              very bad. He was forced to enter into an alliance with one of the nationalist parties, which give him 10% and he barely barely won the last election.
              but conditional liberals of the CHP also approached this election in an alliance already with other nationalists who also have 10% support. And a very hot campaign is expected to be held in Istanbul and Ankara.
              Caliph Erdogan did not switch to nationalistic topics from a good life, the alliance forced him.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 21 February 2019 15: 55
        +5
        Quote: Yeraz
        Transmitted 2 and under these pilots are prepared in the United States.
        That's where so many rebels come from in the Turkish Air Force. It’s cheaper to buy a simulator and host instructors: there would be a supervision, what they teach.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 February 2019 21: 50
          0
          Quote: sniperino
          It’s cheaper to buy a simulator and host instructors: there would be a supervision, what they teach.

          Turkey has its own air academy, in which foreign cadets are still studying.
          It's just that the F-35 is not F-16 and the planes are also in the United States, so the F-35 will study there.
  12. Boomandroid
    Boomandroid 21 February 2019 10: 33
    -2
    I don’t understand something, we sell them almost on credit, at a very cheap price, and we also give technology ?! Vova there just do with the cats drove out?
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 21 February 2019 10: 46
      -1
      Yes, all according to the same scheme "if only to sell anyhow while I am in office, and then at least the grass does not grow further"
      And here, as it were, it’s not about GDP, it’s more about oil and gas, but in such "little things" as nano, forest, housing and communal services, etc., it does not seem to climb or interfere, this is the work of individual princelings, he only has a piece of paper a table with explanations about the great need for the transaction.
      What is our economic need for selling technology to potential adversaries (the same China)? In addition to warming up from this to individuals, I see no reason, the same NPP is leased to the Turks))))
  13. tech3030
    tech3030 21 February 2019 10: 48
    0
    To be friends with Turkey is like being friends with a snake, sooner or later it will bite you.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 21 February 2019 11: 00
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      Well, already in 2015, and if it was supposedly under the leadership of those who planned the coup and helped Erdogan, so let Judah at least recognize Crimea before a new friendship, and then we will conduct a dialogue, there is no foreign policy, one concern.
      Remember the joke:
      Lavrov Shoigu is calling after an appeal from President Fed. meeting and said: - Listen, Kozhugetovich, do not hit New York, I have a daughter there. Shoigu replies: - Yes, I know, Fursenko also called about the United States. Mizulina asked not to hit Belgium, Zhirinovsky - to Switzerland, and Zheleznyak - to London. Our others called, the list is really big ... ... Pause. Listen, Lavrov, where to hit then, in which case? - Mmm, well, hit Voronezh, there aren’t ours
      1. Consultant
        Consultant 21 February 2019 11: 13
        +3
        Quote: Runoway
        Remember the joke

        This is a button accordion. Bearded, Canadian. Not in rhyme, and untruth (s).
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 21 February 2019 12: 50
          +1
          Well, then I will not bother you to dream of castles in the air, who is there so vehemently minus, what kind of love for rose-colored glasses and a dislike for reality?) It is strange that the habitual wrote "oh, everything is a fist"
          Wake up already, apart from Vanga's allegedly regular predictions about how "GREAT RUSSIA WILL RISE AGAIN," we have no more hints of improving the situation. And the presence of the invincible Chubais at the helm is one of the arguments, and they, the enemies of the Russian people, come from the country of the Soviets, and they will be replaced by the "golden youth" kids, straight into the chairs from the University of London, then we will live ...
          1. tech3030
            tech3030 21 February 2019 15: 57
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            I wanted to put a plus, but what a bug, it’s just not put, it just says that the rating has already been set.
  14. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2019 13: 47
    +3
    Quote: Victor_B
    And our S-400s will go to the proving grounds in the states, but there is still the S-300V in Venezuela, and they too, with a high degree of probability, will soon arrive in the USA.

    Do you think that the Americans still have no S-300? See who the operators of this system are. At least 4 NATO countries. Plus, the fraternal republics, too, at one time fussed over and something went away from them. And in addition to Turkey, we are going to sell the S-400 to Qatar, Saudam, Morocco, Iraq (!!!!). In any case, this equipment will go to the Americans, although it is also exported.

    Quote: Dead Day
    Quote: Herman 4223

    Turks may not mind our su-57, but that's just

    everyone does not mind buying, even the Russian Air Force, but only ....

    good laughing Bravo! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye
  15. egor egor
    egor egor 21 February 2019 16: 35
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    Recep why do you need them flying troughs, you know that only in Russia do weapons and planes also come in handy
  16. KARAKURT15
    KARAKURT15 22 February 2019 07: 03
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    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    then what problems?

    but what))
    let people live in our country, work in our country and raise children

    Would you like to be reunited and about the country you say "in our country", but it should be said "we will live in our common country" hi
  17. KARAKURT15
    KARAKURT15 22 February 2019 07: 14
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    Quote: Tank jacket
    Turks have never been independent

    What are you saying? laughing Is the country and the Foreign Ministry aware of you? laughing I thought I was talking with an adequate person))
  18. venzim
    venzim 22 February 2019 17: 08
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    No matter how our technologies become available to NATO