Acts of Nikita the wonderworker. Part of 2. Khrushchev and Kiev, the mother of Russian cities

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February 19 turned 65 years since the landmark decision of Nikita Khrushchev, the first secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, to transfer the Crimea region of the RSFSR to Ukraine. A lot has been written about this, although not so long ago the topic was taken, if not to hide, then at least not to advertise. However, few people know that the “transfer” of Crimea was, according to the idea of ​​the Soviet leader (originally from Ukraine), only the first step in a global review of the structure of the entire USSR.

Nikita Sergeevich decided to promote his much more ambitious territorial projects through a truly strategic decision. More precisely, to begin with the project of transferring the Soviet capital to Kiev. According to a number of data, Khrushchev discussed this idea as early as the beginning of the 60-s, primarily with the then head of the Communist Party of Ukraine, Peter Shelest and the commander of the Kiev military district, Army General Peter Koshevoy. Both fully endorsed the plans of Khrushchev.





In support of his ideas, Nikita Sergeevich, of course, reminded of Kiev as the "mother of Russian cities." At the same time, he regularly complained about the northern location of Moscow, about its harsh climate. In addition, he believed that the largest cities do not have to be national capitals. Appealing along with his close to the analogies of New York - Washington, Melbourne - Canberra, Montreal - Ottawa, Cape Town - Pretoria, Karachi - Islamabad. It’s good that it didn’ not occur to him to try on the laurels of Peter the Great, who at the cost of incredible efforts changed the capital to St. Petersburg.

The project was managed to unanimously approve all Ukrainian regional committees, according to the closed poll conducted in Ukraine’s 1962 year. Then a similar poll, also obviously closed, was planned in other Union republics. However, according to available data, the leadership of Kazakhstan, which almost lost almost half of its territory in the first half of the 1960, immediately expressed a negative assessment of this project. This was followed by secret negative letters from the RSFSR, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Moldova.


Khrushchev's visit to Chisinau, 1959

The latter feared that Ukraine in this case would transform the Moldavian SSR into Ukrainian autonomy, as it had already been done with Transnistrian Moldavia in the pre-war years. A similar reason predetermined the negative position of the leadership of Soviet Belarus. In Minsk, it was not without reason that with the transfer of the capital to Kiev, it was impossible to rule out replacing the Belarusian leadership with officials sent from Ukraine. The very same of Belarus in this case could well shine the prospect of becoming a kind of economic "branch" of Ukraine.

In turn, in Central Asia and Azerbaijan, they believed that if the Allied capital was transferred to Kiev, these regions would immediately lose their ever-growing subsidies from Moscow. In addition, Baku feared that in this case the Union Center would pursue a "pro-Armenian" policy. At that time, the oil-rich and therefore not at all poor Azerbaijan completely satisfied the secondary situation of neighboring Armenia, which functionaries from Yerevan constantly complained about in Moscow. Subsequently, the head of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Armenia Karen Demirchyan noted that “Armenia during the Soviet period, especially from the beginning of 60's, was on the second roles in the socio-economic policy of Moscow in the South Transcaucasus.”

In turn, the leadership of the Baltic republics and Georgia tentatively approved the “Kiev” idea of ​​Khrushchev. The fact is that Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, as well as Georgia, at the end of 50 received maximum political and economic autonomy, and the local authorities - administrative and managerial autonomy from the center. This was largely due to internal political factors in those regions, since the Allied authorities in both the Baltic States and Georgia sought to maximize the standard of living, thereby trying to level out the relapses of national separatism there.

In addition, the long-standing, although skillfully disguised discontent with the “dictate” of Moscow had an effect. The change of Moscow to Kiev was regarded, in fact, from the standpoint of Russophobia and the rejection of the whole of “Soviet”. Local princes were clearly impatient to answer the alleged Russification of Moscow, especially in the lower and middle cadres of the party and economic nomenclature, although in reality it was only about trying to strengthen the leading core.

In Georgia, the Kiev project was positively viewed by many from a completely different and unexpected side. Expansion of the autonomy of Georgia and its accelerated socio-economic development, as well as the prospect of raising Tbilisi to the level of Moscow, could somehow “compensate” for “the vulnerability of the national-political dignity of the Soviet Georgians, as well as the leadership of Soviet Georgia in connection with the discrediting of Stalin ashes. "

Acts of Nikita the wonderworker. Part of 2. Khrushchev and Kiev, the mother of Russian cities

During the life of Stalin, his future successor, few really took seriously

Khrushchev could not ignore the consequences of the events in Tbilisi and Gori, which occurred after the XX Congress of the CPSU. They showed that the local "protest" pro-Stalinism "is already closed with the nationalist underground in Georgia and with the Georgian anti-Soviet emigration. The local nomenclature seriously expected that with the transfer of the capital to Kiev, the autonomy of Georgia would expand even more. And the fact that this will lead to the strengthening of centrifugal trends in the republic, to which the authorities may have to join, was not taken into account.

The authorities of Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan did not express their assessments either publicly or in the detected letters. But according to reports, opinions were there in the ratio of 50 to 50. On the one hand, in Tashkent and Frunze more and more regulations of Moscow to record crops and cotton picking were growing. But this was accompanied by generous state subsidies, a significant part of which "settled" in the pockets of the local nomenclature.

It is impossible not to take into account the fact that Moscow then with difficulty restrained the plans of Almaty and Tashkent for dividing the territory of Kyrgyzstan, which appeared immediately after Stalin’s death. The Kyrgyz authorities believed that this section would certainly succeed if Kiev became the allied capital. Already because at least, adherents of redrawing the intra-Union borders will surely “rule the ball” there. And in the same years, Khrushchev actively lobbied, we recall, the cutting off of a number of regions from Kazakhstan, which would certainly require territorial compensation for him. Most likely, due to the part of Kyrgyzstan.

As Aleksey Adzhubey noted in his memoirs, “what would happen if Khrushchev fulfilled his intention to transfer the capital of the country from Moscow to Kiev? And he returned to this topic more than once. ” It is clear that the prospect of moving from Moscow to Kiev did not at all please the republican and economic nomenclature, which for many years has been concentrated in the renewed and well-developed capital.

It is the nomenclature that seems to have succeeded in lowering the epic plan on the brakes. We must understand that he directly threatened the collapse of the country, because the authorities of many union republics, we repeat, were not inclined to support the replacement of Moscow with Kiev in the status of the all-Union capital. Khrushchev and his entourage could not have been unaware of these differences, but they still tried to impose a change of capitals on the Soviet Union and, as a result, its collapse ...



In conclusion, a very characteristic detail, especially noteworthy in our days, when there is a demonstrative cut-off of the “language” from the relationship with the Russian language. Doctor of Pedagogical Sciences Col. Musa Gaisin recalled: “Once I became an involuntary witness to Khrushchev’s conversation with Zhukov in 1945. Nikita Sergeevich said: “It would be more correct to write my surname not through“ ё ”, but, as in the Ukrainian language, through“ o ”. I talked about this to Joseph Vissarionovich, but he forbade it. ”
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  1. +7
    21 February 2019 05: 36
    Khrushchov is an ambiguous historical figure, of course, but I personally cause more negativity .. There is only one time bomb in the form of transferring Crimea from Ukraine to Ukraine ...
    1. +3
      21 February 2019 10: 39
      Nikita was a great entertainer, oh it wasn’t easy ....
      1. +6
        21 February 2019 11: 37
        A very interesting article that perfectly debunks the myth that everything in the USSR was common and that there could be no question of selfish national interests, all the more so - everyone was building communism! In general, to be honest, it is not entirely clear to me why the current communists and radicals Bolsheviks subject Nikita Sergeevich to such obstruction? What did he do that his Bolshevik predecessors and associates did not do? The faithful Leninists were cutting the territory of Russia, as they wanted from Russia itself all the time that something was cut off and not sewn on. In general, Stalin was engaged in Ukrainization (indigenousization), rolling up his sleeves and creating little of Israel in between times ... Regarding "Kiev - the mother of Russian cities", only the completely lazy or stupid did not laugh! Why is Kiev a mother and not a father? And if Kiev is still a mother (!!!!), then who is the father ?! The laughter is not unreasonable. A lot of funny things happen in those historical places. It just so happened ... We laugh for a long time, and recently through tears. Read "Dokievskaya Rus, Father of Russian Cities" Elder Olesya the Kingdom of Heaven to him and you will learn about Novgorod ...
        1. +2
          21 February 2019 11: 47
          Naturally, everything was not so simple, Nikita was a kind of (being) (they corrected me, you can't say that) absolution ..., there was that mess in the party, just Nikita opened it up ..., the "animal mug" of a party official ..., a blow to the image ..., the struggle of the party shtetl clans - all this is sad, so they paint everything with gold leaf or smear with black paint ..., but the truth is, as always, ugly and ugly
          1. -1
            21 February 2019 12: 03
            Why is it a mess? Everything was just in accordance with the Marxist - Leninist canons of the world revolution and the building of communism. What was Russia for them? NOTHING! With the national outskirts, this was considered while they relied on ... The current Bolsheviks simply forget, and in the majority they do not know what their predecessors actually built and on what scale. To build a paradise on earth, the historical territory of Russia was clearly not enough for them. So the wealth of the people was flowing like a deep river. For those scales, the current "Russian oligarchs bloodsuckers" are so ... petty bourgeois.
            1. +5
              21 February 2019 12: 10
              this is a key contradiction between the Stalinists and Trotskyists ..., The former proposed the creation of a pole i.e. building socialism in one country, the second to burn the country as a seed in the cause of the world revolution, as a result, the compromise won - neither the country, nor the world revolution, nor socialism
              1. 0
                21 February 2019 12: 24
                In principle, you are right. However, the contradiction is not so controversial. The Communist International (Comintern) then Stalin dispersed exclusively for the opening of the 2nd front by the Allies. That was the condition. However, after that he created Cominform! Subsequently CMEA. The form of content remained changing.
                1. +2
                  21 February 2019 12: 35
                  The Comintern was dispersed because of its venality and inefficiency-- the first incarnation of the HSE - a spy nest and a Sinecure with a Zionist bias, the Cominform itself was exhausted, and CMEA was an attempt to expand the pole ... but it did not work out
                  1. 0
                    21 February 2019 13: 16
                    You could say that. smile
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2019 13: 19
                      officer daughters are right-- not so simple .....
      2. +2
        21 February 2019 19: 26
        Well, yes, even his "membership card" with the significant number "69". I prepared such a kamastura for the country, and in the end I prepared it!
        1. 0
          21 February 2019 19: 31
          we can say GURU, talent ..., however, the followers and associates were no less successful, the stupid thing is simple
  2. +3
    21 February 2019 07: 27
    however, Nikita was still that bug, I don’t think about all his tricks, we’ll even recognize ... but judging by what the author writes, Khrushchev’s influence was very great and quite comparable to Stalin’s .... and someone (Khrushchev) supported, the scale of Nikita’s activities is impressive ...., I didn’t think that everything was started like that ....
    1. +9
      21 February 2019 07: 32
      Quote: wooja
      Khrushchev’s influence was very great and quite comparable with Stalin’s ...

      Only if as an antipode. Stalin - created, Nikita - destroyed.

      What Khrushchev did:
      - rejection of the Stalin testament to develop a theory of social development;
      - curtailing plans to create a dollar-free international trade zone;
      - cessation of annual price reductions;
      - liquidation of individual entrepreneurship;
      - termination of the construction of the Transpolar Railway;
      - the cessation of the construction of the tunnel passage to Sakhalin;
      - etc..
      1. +2
        21 February 2019 07: 37
        if so, how quickly they merged Stalin and his people and how quickly they raised Nikita, he had serious strength and support.
        1. +5
          21 February 2019 07: 39
          Quote: wooja
          He had serious strength and support.

          Yes, it was in the form of communist Trotskyists, who under Stalin sat under the baseboard.
          1. +3
            21 February 2019 07: 42
            It seems that not everything is not under the baseboard ....
            1. -4
              21 February 2019 07: 44
              Quote: wooja
              It seems that not everything is not under the baseboard ....

              Stalin, like Putin today, the Trotskyists, forced them to work for the interests of the country, for the interests of the majority of the people.
              1. 0
                21 February 2019 07: 49
                Now it’s a question of who coerced and coerces whom, and who and how understands and understood the interests of the country and people, and are there other interests and players?
                1. +5
                  21 February 2019 07: 53
                  Quote: wooja
                  Now it’s a question of who coerced and coerces whom,

                  As for the Stalin era, then everything is quite obvious - it was creative. Some theses that Khrushchev did when he came to power are in my first post.

                  As for our time, in a message from Putin yesterday he made it clear that those who cannot and do not want to work for the interests of the country, for the good of the people, must leave for themselves. At the end of the year, the first results will be summed up and conclusions made. It’s not long to wait. We'll see.
                  1. +1
                    21 February 2019 07: 57
                    God forbid that everything would happen in your prayers, God forbid!
                  2. +1
                    21 February 2019 12: 34
                    It would be great if I could! Especially it is necessary to do something in those who cry about liberalization - these are not those people, for them the country is just a field of political game for their own pocket!
                    PS. I am not Russians, but I am from the USSR ...
              2. +6
                21 February 2019 12: 10
                Well, this is an overkill, comparing Stalin with Putin. GDP may have some ambitious plans and intentions, but their real implementation is not visible. Especially in relation to "the current Trotskyists, he forced them to work for the interests of the country, for the interests of the majority of the people." That's what I see, the red-haired person was asleep !.
                1. 0
                  21 February 2019 12: 36
                  I completely agree! And then insolently to the stop, everything in Russia is not so and not so! They only moan, and you take a shovel and clear, if you consider it necessary! No, we can’t work, but tryndet, so right away! St. ....
          2. +1
            21 February 2019 09: 47
            Quote: Boris55
            was in the form of communist Trotskyists

            Hm! How could the Trotskyist communists drag a completely illiterate person to the post of first secretary of the Moscow City Party Committee?
            It seems to me that on the wave of the mass party purge of the 30s, the vacuum in the party apparatus began to be filled by people casual to communism, such as Khrushchev, like Aleksandrov with his "Aleksandrovsky boys", like Chernenko and the like. Trotskyists have nothing to do with it!
            1. 0
              21 February 2019 12: 38
              This is how to say it! The ideas of the world revolution have survived both Trotsky and many of his supporters, live now. But the question is whether it is needed WORLDWIDE - no one was puzzled ...
          3. +1
            21 February 2019 18: 27
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: wooja
            He had serious strength and support.

            Yes, it was in the form of communist Trotskyists, who under Stalin sat under the baseboard.

            Not those who were shot in the 37th? Or not all?
      2. +5
        21 February 2019 08: 50
        Quote: Boris55
        Only if as an antipode. Stalin - created, Nikita - destroyed.

        Exactly!

        To the destructive acts of Khrushchev, it is worth adding the following:
        1. Threw out the thesis of the dictatorship of the proletariat from the CPSU program. And this is the cornerstone question - what kind of state, what kind of system. With all the consequences.
        2. Mercantilized the idea of ​​communism. Because of his stupidity and illiteracy, he reduced communism to the presence of a coat, a car and sausage in each refrigerator.
        3. With his false report on the "Cult of the Personality" he dealt an irreparable blow to the entire world communist movement. And it would be fine, if there was at least a word of truth in him, but there is no - a lie on a lie and drives a lie.
        4. By his illiterate actions in the economy he completely repelled the desire to work. Leveling - you work with a spark or through sleeves, it does not affect the salary. So a generation has grown up (not all, of course, but the majority), whose goal was not to create, but to get settled, i.e. find a warm place to do less and get more.
        1. +1
          21 February 2019 12: 42
          I do not know ...
          item 1. - threw it out and threw it out, which is all the same, but an expert in a specific field, and not a cook (a cook!) should still manage the state, region, enterprise, office.
          item 2. but everyone doesn’t want to live normally? Or just work hard for a piece of bread ?!
          item 3. I do not know, maybe...
          item 4. But I completely agree with this!
          1. 0
            21 February 2019 12: 51
            Quote: aakvit
            item 1. - threw it out and threw it out, which is all the same, but an expert in a specific field, and not a cook (a cook!) should still manage the state, region, enterprise, office.

            Must a specialist bourgeois?

            That is why the trouble is that a "specialist in a particular field" is not kicked in anything else. The Soviet government set the task of the all-round development of each member of society. Stalin planned to reduce the working day to 6, and then to 5 hours, so that a person had time for this very self-development.

            Quote: aakvit
            item 2. and each I don’t want to live normally? Or just work hard for a piece of bread ?!

            Here is the keyword each. Well and how - it became better NOW each?
            1. +1
              22 February 2019 16: 26
              Why specialist = bourgeois? I didn’t talk about it! Just have to change the wiring ELECTRICIAN, put a bath - SANITARY TECHNICIAN, and not a neighbor, Uncle Vasya, for half a liter!
              In addition, compare the volumes of information and special knowledge even thirty years ago, when WE graduated from institutes, and now - heaven and earth. And you remember the middle of the 20th century! Sorry, but this is logically incomparable. I repeat, EVERY business should be carried out by a PROFESSIONAL, and not by a very widely educated (i.e., in any way) amateur or willing person!
              1. 0
                22 February 2019 16: 48
                Quote: aakvit

                Why specialist = bourgeois? I didn’t talk about it! Just have to change the wiring ELECTRICIAN, put a bath - SANITARY TECHNICIAN, and not a neighbor, Uncle Vasya, for half a liter!

                Let's go in order, maybe we will get to the truth.

                I said:
                Quote: McAr
                1. Threw out the thesis of the dictatorship of the proletariat from the CPSU program. And this is the cornerstone question - what kind of state, what kind of system. With all the consequences.


                You objected:
                Quote: aakvit
                item 1. - threw it out and threw it out, which is all the same, but an expert in a specific field, and not a cook (a cook!) should still manage the state, region, enterprise, office.


                I answered:
                Quote: McAr
                Must a specialist bourgeois?


                And then it turns out that the "specialist" is a proletarian: an electrician, a plumber.

                The question is, what is the point of your objection to the fact that in a socialist state the dictatorship is not of the bourgeois class, but of the proletariat? Check then what exactly they wanted to say.

                Quote: aakvit
                I repeat, EVERY business should be carried out by a PROFESSIONAL, and not by a very widely educated (i.e., in any way) amateur or willing person!

                A comprehensively educated person is not an amateur at all.

                Example. The super nut tightening professional in the space module is not able to read the drawing in the proper amount. This is not part of his professional competence. This means that he may not notice an error in the drawing. He screwed the nut professionally. But the spacecraft burned down.

                This is on the one hand. And on the other hand, where do you learn to be the director of the plant? Where are they taught to be president?

                Finally, where in my first comment did you find that I said that professionals are not needed, but amateurs are needed?
        2. +1
          21 February 2019 19: 56
          Well, yes ... Probably it should be recalled that Khrushchev was Stalin's closest associates, isn’t that? And why are the Bolsheviks talking so poorly about Trotsky here? After all, Stalin himself acknowledged and wrote that it was Trotsky who played the main role in 1917 and that it was his first and foremost merit, as well as in the creation of the Red Army. It's just that it is not customary for the Bolsheviks to send their heroes to rest without a bullet or an ice ax in their head. They constantly say that Stalin was also helped to retreat to another world. In any case, the good could not have done it; the cult was debunked. Now Khrushchev is called by his own communists a traitor. Are there many traitors and enemies in power in less than 70 years? And comrades? Something completely inaudible explanations for this phenomenon from the Communists. I was thinking, but if you imagine that Marx lived to 1917 and together with Trotsky forged proletarian happiness, would he die his death?
          1. -2
            21 February 2019 20: 19
            Quote: Halado romane
            Perhaps we should recall that Khrushchev was the closest associates of Stalin, isn’t that?

            Probably, it should be recalled that Judas, Brutus, Mzepa were both closest, and associates, and comrades-in-arms ... Isn’t that?

            Quote: Halado romane
            Now Khrushchev is called by his own communists a traitor. Are there many traitors and enemies in power in less than 70 years? And comrades?

            No matter how much - not all identified. Therefore, the USSR disappeared from the world map.
            1. +1
              21 February 2019 21: 02
              Ah, with whom are you comparing Stalin ... There are no words. Well, then the whole Leninist guard, led by the creator of the revolution Trotsky, turned out to be traitors! And everyone paid with their lives. To this, what do you say in the light of biblical themes? So hundreds and hundreds of thousands were shot, millions are repressed under Stalin. Prior to this, losses in a civil war cannot be calculated for certain at all. And the victims of collectivization, dispossessed, frayed, deprived? And the most severe repressions with executions and camps against clergy and believers? What's this? So many extra people were for the Soviet government? And the millions who fled from the country? So not everyone was shot yet? And is this even with the most severe suppression of the popular uprising that broke out against your power across the country, including by means of mass destruction and executions of hostages? Looks like you just wanted to lime the actual Russian people. Because of this atrocious attitude towards your people, your power did not last 70 years. And the fact that along the way you and each other shot so this is a normal thing for revolutionaries. Who sold the soul to the devil well?
              1. -1
                21 February 2019 21: 09
                Quote: Halado romane
                It’s because of such a brutal attitude towards your people that your power

                Everything is relative.

                Now living is seven times more dangerous than in the Stalin era. Just think about it - seven times. Whatever you say there, now it’s prematurely parting with one’s life more than seven times the chance (700%, for a second) than in the Stalinist USSR.



                Start to moan and wring your hands about the terrible fate of the Russians in the 21st century. Otherwise it will look inconsistent.
                1. +1
                  21 February 2019 21: 25
                  Yes, you stop telling me here your liberal Bolshevik pictures! I don’t need your left charts about these repressions. I wrote that before the revolution, part of my family was not careful to move to Russia from the Kingdom of Poland. Then it was one country. Men were artisans. They repaired weapons and made gold jewelry, a beautiful expensive harness, an expensive cold weapon mainly for officers and Cossacks. We had a big house. All were literate even girls. Teachers came to our house and, for a small fee, taught classes for children gathered from our district. Our family and the families in the district were simply huge by today's standards. There was one policeman all over the district and everyone respected him. And then the Bolsheviks came and decided that we and our neighbors live too curly. They selected everything, including the house in which they arranged some kind of institution. And our whole family lived in some sort of shed on the outskirts, but soon had to leave from there. How many of my ancestors died then from starvation, I do not want to write. I just understand that this will not touch you and I do not want you to touch their blessed memory. So, I do not have your Soviet power! And expose your graphics to someone else!
                  1. 0
                    21 February 2019 21: 45
                    Quote: Halado romane
                    And then the Bolsheviks came and decided that we and our neighbors live too curly. They selected everything, including the house in which they arranged some kind of institution.

                    The state is a suppression machine, i.e. repression of one class to another. Capitalism is dominated by the bourgeois class of the exploiters and represses the proletarian class of the exploited. But in socialism, on the contrary, the proletarian class suppresses the bourgeois elements. This is science. You are not offended by physical laws? You may want to breathe under water like a fish or fly like a bird - but you can’t. And one cannot be offended by this unreasonably.

                    Judging by what you described, your family belonged to the class of the petty bourgeoisie. This class has a dual position - it owns the means of production, i.e. small owner, and works himself, i.e. hard worker. Some representatives of the petty bourgeoisie during the October Revolution supported the aspirations of the people and popular power, while others were against the popular power. Although excesses, distortions, and so on, and especially in the outback, took place in the Civil War. Those who were for Soviet power also suffered innocently. As it was in your particular case, now it is hardly possible to establish reliably. If your Ancestors did not harm the people's power in any way, it is certainly mournful that they suffered.

                    Quote: Halado romane
                    And our whole family lived in some kind of barn on the outskirts

                    The main part of the people lived like that. In 1916, the capital was empty, 5000 beautiful apartments were not populated, and at the same time, tens of thousands of Muscovites huddled in huts at the rate of 1,5-2 square meters per person - the corner behind the satin curtain was a dream for many. Here is such a capitalism: there is money - Ivan Petrovich, no money - lousy bastard.
                    1. +1
                      21 February 2019 22: 02
                      I will not answer you much. My ancestors did not want to breathe like fish under water, but simply lived and worked. All the means of production are a workshop and tools handed down from generation to generation and of course fame and the good name of the family. This is what you call private property and subsequently speculation. For this, my relatives were imprisoned in late Soviet times. And maybe now it will be funny to you, but also for illegal operations with currency. Manisto is such a traditional national female jewelry you know? So it is made of coins, sometimes foreign ones come across ... Uncle sat down already for ten years and a year later he was killed in the zone. All our lives we have suffered from your Bolshevism! And you know that the gypsies were not hired and they hid their nationality. Read easily find this information. So here is my answer, gypsies are completely monarchists. If the gypsy is a communist, then this is just wild nonsense or lies and is well settled. You will definitely hear about the Russian Empire from a gypsy; the right one was the power that allowed people to live. They will say about the Tsar Godagyavir Manush, lache kralitko Manush! Clever, kind and great man!
                      1. 0
                        21 February 2019 22: 10
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        You will definitely hear about the Russian Empire from a gypsy; the right one was the power that allowed people to live. They will say about the Tsar Godagyavir Manush, lache kralitko Manush! Clever, kind and great man!

                        What is good for the Russian is death for the German. )))

                        What is good for the majority is bad for the minority. And vice versa. What is surprising, strange or new?
                        In the USSR it was good for the majority, and not very good or even bad for the minority. Including gypsies.
                        And now, just as with the monarchy, it is good for the minority, and not very good or even bad for the majority.

                        People are different. Some for the majority, and others for the minorities.
                      2. +1
                        21 February 2019 22: 26
                        About the tragedy of tens of millions of which you call a minority, I wrote to you above. Is it possible to build something worthy on the foundation of bones from the bay of his human blood ?! The truth is still not indicated dead from starvation! If the majority in the USSR really felt good, then we would still live in the Union!
                      3. +2
                        21 February 2019 22: 38
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        About the tragedy of tens of millions of which you call a minority, I wrote to you above. The truth is still not indicated dead from starvation!

                        About tens of millions it is not necessary to whistle.

                        It was dispossessed of 1,5%. This is less than 98,5%. The minority has become worse - there is no one to exploit. And the majority got better.

                        For political reasons, about 4 million were repressed, including terrorists, bandits, smugglers, policemen, Vlasovites, Banderaites, green brothers, etc.

                        But the majority began to live better. And you, go, Bandera and the policemen mourn at night, right?

                        Quote: Halado romane
                        If the majority in the USSR really felt good, then we would still live in the Union!

                        Do you want to say that now the majority began to live better than in the USSR? Are you out of your mind?

                        This bourgeoisie began to live well. And people got worse. And not only from a material point of view. Society itself is scoffing under capitalism — that’s the worst thing. But you, apparently, do not understand this.
                2. +5
                  21 February 2019 21: 39
                  Quote: McAr
                  Now it’s prematurely parting with one’s life more than seven times more chances (700%, for a second) than in the Stalinist USSR

                  Well, first - a link to the source:

                  For all the years when Stalin was in power, about 650 thousand people were sentenced to death, the sentence was executed in less than 50% of cases. Thus, about 320 thousand people were shot.
                  The absence of the death penalty today is more than compensated for by "natural" capitalist selection.
                  Under Stalin, in peacetime, the number of all killed was an average of about 20 thousand people a year (including those executed by the state and victims of criminal killings).
                  In modern Russia, over 30 thousand murders are committed without the death penalty in peacetime, and about 20 thousand people are missing. In total, about 140-150 thousand criminal deaths are registered annually!



                  Funny brzhek, I recommend to familiarize.

                  Only the numbers (and the picture) are strange - it says "murders", and in the text - some mysterious "criminal deaths". And for some reason there are 5 times more of them than the actual murders request

                  And now a couple of leading questions:

                  1. For what years are the statistics you are referring to? How is this figure confirmed, apart from the fantasies of "Comrade Che"?
                  2. Why murders - 30 thousand, and "crime. Deaths" (what is it, by the way?) - 150 thousand?

                  I look forward to hearing Yes
                  1. +2
                    21 February 2019 22: 06
                    Thanks for your information. Plus you. However, it’s clear to any normal person that the picture is stifling, and, to put it simply, it stinks!
                3. 0
                  22 February 2019 00: 13
                  They forgot it, and the youth will not believe that until the 80s militiamen went on patrols, cordoned off WITHOUT WEAPONS WITHOUT DUBINOK, WITHOUT ARMED VEHICLES AND HELMETS - this is the substantive answer to the question about that crime and
                  By the way, what did the country cost idiotic ex ... kaka-rusnik's increments with the MOOP-MVD, with the economic councils, etc.
                  The most dangerous form of a fool is with initiative and in office.
                  Since kaka-ruznik is the apotheosis of this type, it is especially dangerous.
                  1. 0
                    22 February 2019 00: 30
                    Quote: RoTTor
                    They forgot it, and the youth will not believe that until the 80s militiamen went on patrols, cordoned off WITHOUT WEAPONS WITHOUT DUBINOK, WITHOUT ARMED VEHICLES AND HELMETS - this is the substantive answer to the question about that crime and

                    Exactly!

                    At the store, while you go shopping, you could easily leave the stroller with a sleeping child. I saw it myself. Now this is impossible to imagine. To meet or see off the child to school - in a dream would not have dreamed. Parents escorted to school only once - the first time, in the first grade. And that’s all. And now they even meet students - it became mortally dangerous to walk a couple of blocks from the metro to the house, especially in the evening.
                    1. +1
                      22 February 2019 07: 09
                      Quote: McAr
                      now even students are met

                      Everyone goes crazy in their own way. A foil hat helps, they say. Well, or specialized doctors, in advanced cases.

                      Quote: McAr
                      it became deadly to walk a couple of blocks from the subway to the house, especially in the evening

                      This, excuse me, is obvious ... I’ll say for now - an exaggeration wink
                    2. 0
                      22 February 2019 16: 44
                      What is there from school! My son from SADIK came home alone, not far away, on the same street. And nothing - even if my wife and I have not returned from work, I went to the neighbors and played with their children. And we also took neighbor kids. And now is this possible - from the garden alone?
                      1. 0
                        22 February 2019 16: 56
                        Quote: aakvit
                        My son from SADIK came home alone, not far away, on the same street.

                        Similarly! In the morning we left the staircase together, but on the corner of the house we parted - mother went to the bus stop, and I went to the kindergarten. True, one was not supposed to be released ... But at school, from the first grade, we were left on our own for the afternoon. Without mobile phones, without jeepies, without every minute control ... And this is also because nobody was violet at other, strange children, teenagers. Any uncle could be restrained if they hooligans. Now complete indifference.
  3. +4
    21 February 2019 07: 54
    Nikita continued national experiments with peoples and borders that began in 1917.
    The main thing is that absolutely ALL of them were produced at the expense of Russia and Russian ....
    1. +1
      21 February 2019 12: 43
      Not only! Vilno and Kovno are Belarusian cities, not Vilnius and Kaunas. And this is just one example!
  4. +2
    21 February 2019 09: 32
    The plans for moving the capital of the Empire from Moscow to Kiev are already 250 years old, so Khrushchev is not a pioneer here.
    The idea was born during the stay in Catherine II in Kiev in 1787, but the Empress did not approve of her close associates' plans.
    Subsequently, Alexander I returned to this idea, planning an administrative reform of the empire.
    Under Nikolai Pavlovich the question was practically resolved, even work began on preparations for the move of government agencies, but the Crimean War and the death of Nicholas I prevented
    Then the project was revived in the era of reforms of Alexander II. The main supporter of the transfer of the capital to Kiev was the personal friend of the emperor and the conqueror of the Caucasus, Field Marshal General Alexander Baryatinsky. He insisted that for the reforms to succeed, it was necessary to remove the supreme power from the encirclement of bureaucrats in the person of Eastsee Germans. Moving the capital to a Slavic environment, to the "mother of Russian cities", could improve the image of the authorities in the eyes of the population. Baryatinsky also convinced the emperor that the capital status of Kiev would help to strengthen its position on Eastern and Balkan issues, and would also help to peacefully settle the Polish question. Here it would be necessary to grant independence to Poland, but this would raise the rating among European states and would remove the claims of the Poles to the Ukrainian land.
    But the "bureaucrats" and "Eastsee Germans" managed to dissuade the emperor.
    Once again, the idea of ​​moving the capital to Kiev arose already in the time of Peter Stolypin. He believed that such a transfer would paralyze a young but dangerous Ukrainian national movement, and this would contribute to the internal strengthening of the empire. It was at the time of Stolypin that the mother of the emperor Maria Fedorovna moved to Kiev, and a milder climate could improve the fate of the unfortunate prince Alexei. They even came up with a reason to move - a celebration in connection with the 300th anniversary of the Romanov dynasty. In the sense that a new period of the existence of this dynasty could begin from Kiev. But fate laughed at Stolypin's plans, in 1911 he was killed in Kiev, that he never became the capital of the empire.
    Therefore, Podymov’s attempts with Chichkin in this aspect look like another sketch, and not an article on a historical topic.
    By the way, in addition to Kiev, Khrushchev also considered the option of Sverdlovsk, but the authors will obviously write about this in the sequel.
    1. +2
      21 February 2019 11: 56
      About the transfer of the capital of the empire to Kiev - some kind of bike walking on the Internet, without the slightest evidence or confirmation.
      1. +4
        21 February 2019 13: 12
        About Khrushchev’s transfer of the capital, too, no one saw a single document, all with words. However, some immediately and unconditionally ...
        1. +2
          21 February 2019 14: 41
          By the way, about ideas and documents. In 2010, Yevgeny Fedorov, a State Duma deputy from United Russia and the head of the committee on economic policy and entrepreneurship, came up with an unexpected initiative to unite the three Slavic republics on the basis of a common capital in Kiev, even sending a letter to the deputies of the Ukrainian parliament.
          There is a document here. So Khrushchev is not the first, he is not the last, so hooves can be hoisted as much as you like.
    2. 0
      22 February 2019 00: 20
      The capital under Catherine the Great was planned to be transferred to the new city of Yekaterinoslav-Dnepropetrovsk.
      And far from the borders - safe, and the climate is favorable.
      And the blockade of Leningrad, perhaps, would not have been, as well as Ukrainian separatism.
      This was prevented by the death of the initiator - Grigory Potemkin
      1. +1
        22 February 2019 00: 50
        Nobody was going to transfer the capital to Yekaterinoslav. The city was built as the capital of Novorossiya, a kind of "third capital of the empire".
  5. +1
    21 February 2019 09: 58
    And Oleg, the prince, sat in Kiev, and Oleg said: “May this mother be Russian cities.” As always, they misinterpreted!
  6. 0
    21 February 2019 10: 18
    And which of our history does not cause negativity?
    1. 0
      21 February 2019 10: 36
      there are no completely positive characters, and in life so ...,
      1. 0
        21 February 2019 12: 47
        From completely positive, I want to sleep and bl..t! Completely positive characters will not teach anything and will not lead followers to anything. The story in white gloves is not done!
    2. 0
      21 February 2019 13: 55
      Quote: Lamatinets
      And which of our history does not cause negativity?

      Brezhnev, probably.
      1. 0
        21 February 2019 15: 18
        Ms., but his inheritance caused such a negative.
  7. BAI
    +1
    21 February 2019 13: 32
    Well, what are the problems with the transfer?

    Moreover, the idea of ​​moving beyond the Urals again arose, although in 2014 the majority of the population was against it. (That is, nothing was discussed in 2014, but the survey has already been conducted. Now they are discussing, but what interesting will the survey show?). We can say that the idea of ​​transfer is quite permanent. And all 2 moves were carried out by a strong-willed decision.
  8. 0
    21 February 2019 15: 34
    During the life of Stalin, his future successor, few really took seriously

    I often meet this phrase, but Stalin's successor was Georgy Maximilianovich Malenkov, and not Khrushchev.
    1. 0
      21 February 2019 16: 28
      Quote: Anton Yu
      I often meet this phrase, but Stalin's successor was Georgy Maximilianovich Malenkov, and not Khrushchev.

      Malenkov was the chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, after him Bulganin, and Khrushchev - the first secretary of the CPSU. As if diarchy. It turned out that Khrushch became both the chairman of the Council of Ministers and the first secretary, and began to steer the economy through his stupidity.
      1. 0
        21 February 2019 16: 34
        there were more people who wanted to "steer".
        1. +1
          21 February 2019 16: 39
          Quote: Anton Yu
          there were more people who wanted to "steer".

          There are always more. Cling to power, like a prostitute for a gonorrhea.
      2. 0
        22 February 2019 23: 36
        Yes, there was no dual power. At the level of republics, regions, cities, districts, and under Stalin and Khrushchev, the first secretary of the Central Committee, regional committee, city committee, district party committee was clearly higher than the pre-minister or chairman of the executive committee. Why should everything be different at the union level? Up to a certain point, Malenkov led meetings of the Presidium of the Central Committee, that is, in fact, was the unofficial chairman of the party. a number of historians believe. that in the last years of Stalin’s life, Malenkov was the unofficial first secretary of the Central Committee. On the whole, Malenkov was, first and foremost, a party leader, his whole career was connected with the party apparatus.
        Since 1954, Khrushchev was clearly perceived as the leader of the USSR. At the same time, Malenkov still remained Presovmin.
    2. 0
      22 February 2019 23: 29
      Malenkov at the end of his life, by the way, returned to the origins of his family, became an Orthodox person. After all, he had Macedonian roots, among his ancestors were respected Macedonian Orthodox priests. But Stalin's successor turned out to be none of it. I looked through Soviet newspapers and magazines of the late 40s and early 50s. I will say that no less was written about Khrushchev than about Malenkov. And in many semi-official paintings, Khrushchev was portrayed next to Stalin.
      And so, Stalin called his successors and Kuznetsov and Voznesensky, who were shot as part of the "Leningrad case."
      I think that if Zhdanov had not had health problems that led him to premature death, then he would have every chance of becoming the leader of the country.
  9. -2
    22 February 2019 00: 26
    the bald kaka-ruznik almost waged off the fight against Ukrainian bourgeois nationalism, pardoned fascist policemen and accomplices, and here the sprouts sprouted.

    Those who have been to Kiev in recent years have become convinced that the city is dying.
    They can save it only if they transfer the capital somewhere far away from Kiev. even in the western part, then they screwed up Kiev
  10. 0
    April 17 2019 06: 44
    That damn donkey.
  11. 0
    19 May 2019 16: 26
    The article is nonsense ... The transfer of the capital, and why not the renaming of the USSR to Muscovy.