Russian general: In the final version, the Su-57 will surpass the F-35

The first serial fighter of the fifth generation Su-57 will go to the troops before the end of this year, leads Rossiyskaya Gazeta message of the head of the UAC Yuri Slusarius.

Under this contract, concluded at the Army-2018 forum, the corporation has pledged to supply the military department of the 15 aircraft. But before that, engineers need to complete flight tests of fighters with engines of the second stage. The next stage of testing the Su-57 today is in Zhukovsky.

According to military experts, as a result, the VKS will receive a unique aircraft: high-speed, ultra-maneuverable, well-armed and protected from modern air defense systems. Su-57 will be able to solve tasks to achieve superiority in the air, as well as carry out percussion missions to destroy enemy ground objects.

This versatility is provided by a number of advanced features, including minimal visibility for radar in all wave bands, the ability to quickly gain supersonic speed and lead an all-round melee with multi-channel missile firing of different ranges.

The fighter is equipped with a radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR). Its design uses the latest composite materials, and a special coating that provides low visibility, has a unique chemical formula.

Six radars, distributed over the casing of the car, give the pilot a circular view. The sensors of the Himalayan EW complex are dispersed over the surface of the aircraft. They allow him to remain "invisible", but at the same time fix the unobtrusive enemy aircraft.

Su-57 can use air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, adjustable bombs and conventional weapons. Total fighter has 14 types of weapons.

Questions of the technological features of the Su-57 and its comparison with the American F-22 and F-35 fighter jets for Military Review commented Member of the Council of Higher Officers of the Officers of Russia Organization, Major General Yuri Sytnik.

According to Major General Sytnik, the United States continues to actively promote its aircraft, use advertising.

Yuri Sytnik:

Operating experience even our aircraft generation 4 ++ in Syria showed that the American F-22 escaped collision. If the American aircraft had a significant advantage, they would certainly try to clash with our pilots.

According to Yuri Sytnik, the main task that the United States is solving with the same F-35 is to promote this aircraft to the market. Moreover, there is a huge market of NATO countries, which is largely controlled by Washington.

Yuri Sytnik:

If American planes really go to the "hitch" with the Russian newest aircraft, it will adversely affect the image of the F-35 and F-22. They will constantly move away from real comparison of the fighting qualities of our Su-57 and their F-35 only for the reason, so as not to lose potential buyers.

Major-General Yuri Sytnik notes that if you compare the Su-57 with American aircraft, then each of the aircraft has its own advantages and disadvantages. So, the Americans, according to a military expert, have better sights. In this case, F-35 Yuri Sytnik calls the fighter "hangar maintenance", and the fifth-generation Russian aircraft is such that it can be serviced without any difficulty in the "field conditions" - at the operational, combat airfield.

Yuri Sytnik:

You need to understand that while the face of the Su-57 is, but this version of it is not final. Trials continue. In the final version, it will far surpass both the F-22 and F-35.

Comments

[new max]

First, administrators published an article about the first production Su-57, then replaced it with this one. Why?

[Vlad5307]

Well, apparently the military-political situation is still changing plans for putting the Su-57 into the series and modernization will take place in parallel with the release.

[new max]

10 minutes ago the article was on the site. I wanted to look there, but did not have time. We changed it to this one.

[snake]

Quote: new max

10 minutes ago the article was on the site. I wanted to look there, but did not have time. We changed it to this one.

You cannot enter the same river twice.

[UMA-UMA]

It is ridiculous to listen to the general, to see bitterly how the country is being mocked. The Russian Federation has lost many technologies, including therefore, su 57 for almost 10 years can not bring to mind and put into series. Su 57 is not a 5th generation car, because not consistent with stealth indicators, and its engine is just as weak. Before 30 years, the Russian Federation will not have an aircraft of the most modern generation, i.e. never will be. In the hypothetical war, which patriotic forces so love to relish and discuss, hundreds of f35 and f22 will be opposed by a dozen su35 and will certainly win.

[new max]

Meli Emelya is your week.

[Blackgrifon]

:))))) Worse than urapatriots, only all-crawlers (apparently, these are two sides of the same coin). Your shot is so weak that it doesn’t even count.
Do you know how many Su-35s are in the Russian Air Force? What are the EPR indicators of the Su-57 and F-22? Well, the funny thing is: how many years have the F-35 and F-22 been riveted there? So note, so as not to disgrace: F-22 began to develop since 1981, and went into series only in 1997. Su-57 launched in 2001

[Herman 4223]

In 1997, a revised version of the f-22 was released for testing, and mass production started in 2001, and the project pack launched in 2002.

[UMA-UMA]

Shame here is only for cheers, in your patriotic frenzy you do not notice how the country is heading for collapse. It’s funny to read you, you make fun of the Americans, because they are still in the fighter planes for 18 years as they are in front - they have f22 since 2001 in the series, we have an incomplete generation in test samples. It’s you who give me the numbers in the epb, show that the stealth of 57 is not worse than that of 22, and at the same time tell the Indians who left the project 57 about it. And 57 your wonderful one has been developed no less since 2001.

[Blackgrifon]

1. Requirements for the 5th generation aircraft:
- dramatic decrease in aircraft visibility in the radar and infrared ranges in combination with the transition of on-board sensors to passive methods of obtaining information, as well as to high stealth modes;
- multifunctionality, that is, high combat effectiveness in the defeat of air, ground and surface targets;
- the presence of a circular information system;
- flight at supersonic speeds without using afterburner;
- super maneuverability;
- the ability to carry out multi-angle firing of targets in close air combat, as well as to conduct multichannel missile firing when conducting combat at long range;
etc.

All sources report on the Su-35S that it does not reach the 5th generation only by stealth. And now we look at the performance characteristics of the F-35 and find that it also does not reach the 5th generation at once according to several criteria + we recall the scandal with the publication by the Australians of the results of modeling a / b between the F-35 and Su-35S. And now we look at what the requirement of stealth on American cars was introduced for - this is primarily protection against air defense.

Quote: UMA-UMA

That you give me the numbers in the EPB, show that stealth in 57 is not worse than in 22

Yeah. One on one site revealed chipboard information about the test results and went "to places" :) But you continue to believe in 0,0001 sq.m. EPR F-22.

Quote: UMA-UMA

to the Indians who left the project 57

Oh ... The Indians did not come out of the PAK FA, but from the development of another machine based on the PAK FA. And this month they themselves announced that they did not mind buying the Su-57.

Quote: UMA-UMA

no less since 2001

Developed from the same for years + difference in funding.

[okko077]

Where did the requirements for the 5 generation aircraft come from? Why are they like that? We, that they were coordinated with pi_ndosami, in order to compare planes later?
In your opinion, it turns out that the Su-35 does not reach the 5 generation aircraft only by stealth ...
The 5th generation airplane has a different purpose, this is not just a plane better than the fourth ....It is a key element of the network-centric system. for the covert receipt of information about the enemy in the air on land and water and the covert transmission of this information in real time, or rather with a hidden exchange of information, since it can still serve as a universal means of destruction within the same network-centric system.... This is where the requirements for a 5th generation aircraft come from, and among all these signs, invisibility and hidden exchange of information in real time are basic, although others are important .... Only for you and all forum users ....

[UMA-UMA]

Hmm ...
1. For the future - resentment is not my story, especially for theorists.
2. You with such pathos here told me about the criteria of the 5th generation. "The orator smoothly wove about the common knowledge." At the same time, they focused on collecting inf. And transmitting it in real time. It's funny. Meanwhile, the main task of a combat aircraft is the destruction of the enemy, it is precisely for this that the high requirements for stealth are. Covertly approached and destroyed. Collection of inf. In this case, the additional option is certainly very useful.
3. The C-system has been used for a long time, like 30 years. I’ll say no more, without it, a worked-out, modern war with the regular army.

[UMA-UMA]

So what? Where do you have the facts?
1. For the definition of the fifth generation, ATP - for the okko it will be useful, however, he has his own, special way.
2. Yes f 35 of course shit, yeah. And you essno know that it is inconspicuous, they told you on one site.
3. Who announced the purchase of 57 in India? Can I find out the position?
3. The question I believe / do not believe it is for you, to the expert patriots. That you believe in the invincibility of the pale shadow of the SA, in the army of the Russian Federation. Do you believe this: in the plans for re-equipment that are frustrated from year to year, in a strong economy consisting of 95% of their energy resources and other raw materials. And you won’t believe that 10 wunderwaffes can’t defeat 537 (187 f22, 350 f35). For me and normal people with practical intelligence, these are completely obvious facts, and I do not believe / do not believe.

The main idea of ​​my comment was this: while we are defeating everyone on paper, showing off the su57 sweeping clips boastfully, we are making plans for the supply of as many as 12 cars, the probable enemy already has 537 vehicles of the 5th generation in service. And they are fighting, not posing.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: UMA-UMA

And you essno know that it is inconspicuous, they told you on one site.

Well, you believe that the F-35, in which the number of titanium has sharply decreased this year, has an EPR of 0,0001 square meters, so what is it to start right away? :)

Quote: UMA-UMA

Who claimed to buy 57 in india? Can I find out the position?

http://avia.pro/news/indiya-gotova-peresmotret-pokupku-rossiyskih-su-57
For completeness and objectivity, visit foreign media, etc.

Quote: UMA-UMA

For me and normal people with practical intelligence, these are completely obvious facts, and I do not believe / do not believe.

Well, I don’t know what kind of intellect you have, but the fact that you take for granted some sources in one case, and in the other - they are sifted out, because they contradict your alternative reality, says a lot :)

Quote: UMA-UMA

Su57, we are making plans for the supply of as many as 12 cars, the probable enemy in the ranks already has 537 vehicles of the 5th generation. And they are fighting, not posing.

Yeah, but still forced to buy a F-15 from a good life. By the way, where are they fighting there? In Syria, the F-22 (heavy interceptor) trying to visually accompany the Su-25x (which is equivalent to hammering nails with a microscope)? The only time the F-35 was used was damage.
Aircraft have not fought in a spherical vacuum for a long time: there are such things as radar coverage, radio reconnaissance, AWACS aircraft. Russia has over 300 new aircraft and purchases are ongoing. Yes, and you so hated Su-57 has already entered small-scale production.

The most interesting thing is that with strange arguments (from fantasies about a modular engine to stories about your "normal mind"), you made only one really reasonable conclusion: this is an urgent need for the Su-57 in the RF Aerospace Forces and the insufficient pace and volume of their introduction into series, which partly they are trying to compensate for the purchase of the Su-35go and upgrades of the Su-30SM.

[UMA-UMA]

Yes, yes, Russia is the coolest of all. 300 new aircraft, of which a dozen su 35, right? And most of them, as I understand it, su34, this is a great car but you must admit that it’s not a fighter. I don’t know what rooks the raptor was trying to escort there, but I know that f22 covered up the Yankers when they broke up a battalion Russian column with impunity. The keyword is UNPUNISHED. This is the whole truth of the modern army of the Russian Federation - it allows you to kill yourself and your allies: Su24, Il18 (18 intelligence officers died !!!), a convoy, the constant bombing of Syria under silence p300. This is your patriotic combat effectiveness.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: UMA-UMA

And most of them, as I understand it, su34, this is a great car but you must admit that it’s not a fighter.

Over a hundred Su-34s (cat. Are fighter-bombers), over a hundred Su-30SM (attack fighter), about 100 MiG-29SMT and 29K, about 80 Su-35S + modernization of the MiG-31 fleet (in particular, in case of if everything goes according to the star, the obligation to fight with F-22 will largely lie) - all this is official data.

Quote: UMA-UMA

Russian battalion column.

Where and in what place was the battalion tactical group of Russian troops destroyed by the Americans? If you are talking about D-e-Z, then maybe you should better understand the situation, how and what happened there? You can google, because from the moment of the first reports about "hundreds of killed Russians" to full-fledged investigations, with almost a list of the dead (by a strange coincidence, most of them "for some reason" turned out to be Syrians) and a detailed description of how they got there, passed enough time already. If you look carefully, you will completely figure out what and how.

And also look for how the F-22 tried before that unsuccessfully to prevent the Russian Su-25 from bombing the Kurds and Daesh in this province and how it ended.

Quote: UMA-UMA

WITH IMPUNITY. This is the whole truth of the modern army of the Russian Federation - it allows you to kill yourself and your allies: Su24, Il18 (18 intelligence officers died !!!)

How hard it is with you. Don’t be offended, but what prevents you carefully, using several sources to monitor what is happening in Syria? Or at least sort out specific situations?
1. Regarding the response for the Su-24: immediately after that incident, the Turkish Air Force completely stopped flights to the space covered by Russian air defense and where Russian fighters visited. As a result, their irregulars and the army group conducting operations in Syria, in fact, lost the support of the Air Force. And just a few days after the public reconciliation between Russia and Turkey, our bombers "accidentally" bombed a group of Turkish special forces (6 - 200x).
In addition, several times in Syria destroyed a team of foreign soldiers. The last such case was in Guta, when the British got it.
2. Regarding the IL-18. Who shot this plane? Let me remind you: the Syrians during the IDF raid. What happened after that? That's right - they deployed 3 air defense divisions around Hmeimim. By your logic, did you have to bomb Israel? Then I will tell you a secret - cases when in / out of zone under the erroneous (and not only erroneous) blow your / allies / neutrals are a frequent occurrence. Read about the Stark frigate case, for example.


Let's close the conversation: we started with a dispute about whether the Su-57 belongs to the 5th generation or not, and we end with your opinion on the "inaction" of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria.

[UMA-UMA]

After your "Il18 shot down not the Tsakhal, but the Syrians," everything is clear with you. All the nonsense that you carry is carried from the propaganda screens. Su57 is the best, 12000 less than 2500, Russia is the best country in the world, Putin is the best president, all the best to you, because you are hopeless. Like any patriot sofa expert.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: UMA-UMA

you are hopeless

He said a man who believes that everything is fools around, and he is alone on a white horse and with a sword :)) Sir! Heal - they say it helps! :)

[UMA-UMA]

Below is my answer.

[cradle]

collapse in the head, and the country works

[okko077]

Su 57 is not a 5th generation car, because not consistent with stealth indicators, and its engine is just as weak.

What indicators of stealth does not correspond?
What is its engine weak?
Give the numbers ... You need to answer for your stuffing, otherwise a dummy in all respects, including the author ...

[UMA-UMA]

Its inconspicuousness is lower than that of the raptor and 35. The better it would be to teach me how to treat me about the responsibility of treating and broadcasting dummies. Then you would know that for the 5th generation a modular engine is needed, it is more maintainable, which means that the ratio of repair man-hours to flight hours is lower. Plus, the cost of maintenance and repair is significantly reduced, as well as the possibility of high intensity flights. At 57, the engine is extremely complex and has low maintainability.

[BeloMor]

Its stealth is lower than that of the raptor and 35.

And if it's not a secret, what did the grandmother say?

[UMA-UMA]

Ask the Indians.

[BeloMor]

I suppose you already asked? And you have accurate data for these three aircraft for comparison.

[UMA-UMA]

As I understand it, do you like very empty bickering? I do not, so by.

[cradle]

they showed him in a dance ... Jimi Jimi, acha acha ...

[UMA-UMA]

Yeah, they were just on tour, at a concert in honor of the Crimean bridge. Madhouse - a celebration and concert on all channels in honor of the opening of the bridge Your praised su57 from a series of the same empty PR-actions, it will never be

[cradle]

they also wrote about the Crimean bridge that it will not, but it already exists.

[UMA-UMA]

No. I didn’t write about the bridge. He is and will be, because Rotenbergs (friends of your idol) need to earn. And you thought it was built for the Russians?

[BeloMor]

Ask the Indians.

So the Indians asked the reason for the exit Russia's refusal to transfer technology. Well, not like yours is worse.
Naturally, the Indian side’s request for the provision of technologies for the on-board radar N036 Belka, the engines of the 2nd stage Product-30, the on-board communications complex S-111-N, as well as the station for detecting attacking missiles and counteraction 101KS Atoll was rejected UAC headquarters, which led to the “freezing” of the FGFA program. Later, we finally became convinced that the “sacrificed” FGFA program is a much more profitable result for our defense industry than satisfying Delhi's requirements.

[okko077]

Read my main comment above, and for you personally, no offense .... But I would like the general to leave if he can ....

[BeloMor]

Yes, no offense. And I would like you and those like you to leave faster.
You can’t imagine how many people you will make life easier.

[kit88]

Quote: UMA-UMA

for the 5th generation, a modular engine is needed, it is more maintainable, which means that the ratio of repair man-hours to flight hours is lower. Plus, the cost of maintenance and repair is significantly reduced, as well as the possibility of high intensity flights.

An interesting point of view. Complete nonsense.
You thought of a modular engine yourself?
Somehow, in the Union, with an overhaul resource of the engine, let's say 50 hours on IL-28, the flight intensity was at a very high level.
AL-31F has a resource of 1000 hours. AL-41F1 has four times more - 4000 hours. I don’t know the exact details of the adversary, but they themselves say that the resource on the F119-PW-100 is more than 4000 hours (count as many as we have).
What are you going to change modules of? Shovel, compressor stage, KND?

[UMA-UMA]

In your patriotic, the whole world is nonsense, all fools, and in Russia, its own, special way, because smarter than everyone, so 30 years in the country, everything through one place and the gap is not visible. As an example, you would give me PO-2, or ANT-25. You can read about a modular engine in Google.

[kit88]

Quote: UMA-UMA

hundreds of f35 and f22 will be opposed by a dozen su35 and of course win.

Firstly. Why not. Of course, the Su-35 will win. Because in your sarcasm you casually bypassed one very important point. And over whose territory will the confrontation f-22, 35 and Su? Obviously not over Texas or Lamanche. And our air defense knows its good, if there was an order.
And secondly, the 5th generation needed to be created in the 90s. It makes no sense to spend money, riveting hundreds of analogs of the Raptor with a delay of 20 years. You need to look forward - take the next step. And this is exactly what responsible people are doing now.

[okko077]

In modern warfare there is no single combat .... No need to voice stupidity. Read about the operation in Iraq, in Yugoslavia, you can assume that we support the defending side, or vice versa .. All of yours of course they’ll call at once ... no more. You better not look ahead, first figure out: where is this front? ... Verbiage ....

[kit88]

okko077 (Valery)
You didn’t mislead me with anyone?

[okko077]

Maybe ...

[UMA-UMA]

Nobody will storm our valiant, but very few air defense: they will throw axes and a swarm of drones. And responsible people are now engaged in profiling the country and money.

[kit88]

Quote: UMA-UMA

Nobody will storm our valiant, but very few air defense: they will throw axes and a swarm of drones. And responsible people are now engaged in profiling the country and money.

Yes you!
Not a single ax will reach the borders of Russia!
They will all explode in their TPK!
If Trump’s Russian hackers have been appointed president, then they should get into the old-time NATO computers and self-liquidate all the hacker that interests them!

[UMA-UMA]

Of course it won’t reach, because Russia is only Moscow.

[snake]

Quote: UMA-UMA

In the hypothetical war, which patriotic forces so love to relish and discuss, hundreds of f35 and f22 will be opposed by a dozen su35 and will certainly win.

There will be no war. It is easier for the United States to buy up the entire top of the Russian Federation (which they may have already done), and that's all. And Russia will not attack the West - the "elite" have villas there, acquired by back-breaking labor, and children who despise the domestic education system.

[UMA-UMA]

This is all clear and I wrote about this more than once in VO. This I say, in the mainstream of the patriots, I am discussing. They are preparing for a holy war with us, dreaming of how they will go on the attack after Uncle Vova.

[snake]

Quote: UMA-UMA

This I say, in the mainstream of the patriots, I am discussing.

I'm afraid you will not rake in this vein. There is such a powerful current that the laws of logic, physics and common sense are swept away completely.

[UMA-UMA]

That's for sure, logic doesn’t live here. But what about the sweep - more likely to get a heart attack

[Sarmat Sanych]

Well, this is to be expected, the Su-57 will be cooler than the "penguin" and "raptor" not only in terms of speed, maneuverability and armament.

[okko077]

We have different concepts with amers about the 5th generation airplane ....
We believe that a 5th generation aircraft is simply better than any 4th generation aircraft .... Therefore, for us, the F22 is closer to the 5th generation aircraft, and the F35 does not reach it ...
Americans consider the main property of the 5th generation aircraft, its information capabilities, the ability to work in information (network-centric) systems, the ability to receive and exchange information in real time, with good flight and other characteristics, including inconspicuity .... Therefore, they do not consider Su 57 such an aircraft and even their F22 needs to be finalized .....

[UMA-UMA]

Yes, yes, this was reported in the news 24.

[Greenwood]

Operating experience even our aircraft generation 4 ++ in Syria showed that the American F-22 escaped collision. If the American aircraft had a significant advantage, they would certainly try to clash with our pilots.

It may be much simpler. The American pilots had the task of hitting targets in Syria, and not engage in battle with Russian aircraft. Because this is actually a war with Russia, to which no one has subscribed.

[new max]

Strange logic about the desire to overlook. Just an order not to aggravate the situation most likely was.

[Letun]

Quote: new max

Strange logic about the desire to overlook.

In general, I got the feeling that the general does not know with whom the Aerospace Forces are fighting in Syria, because he wrote complete crap. The F-22 "did not clash" with the Su-24 either. We boldly conclude that the Su-24 is head and shoulders above the F-22.

[Herman 4223]

Rather, the order does not shine with its stealth.

[pru-pavel]

Cowards could not get along with the Americans. Duck at least with their own clashed on the SU-34 in the Tatar Strait. All knightly on equal planes.

[new max]

You are all about your own. About lace shorts. Who about what, and lousy about the bath. People’s wisdom. That's where they caught the first one on lace shorts. 1-0 in our favor.

[pru-pavel]

Note. You started talking about coward

Quote: new max

Who about what, and lousy about the bath.

[new max]

Quote: pru-pavel

Cowards could not get along with the Americans. Duck at least with their own clashed on the SU-34 in the Tatar Strait. All knightly on equal planes.

Exactly did I start first? Read your quote about cowards.

[pru-pavel]

I’ll say that about timid people. I did not immediately understand where you found the coward. Well, if you find something, you probably know what to write about. And since you know something, it’s also not bad, even if it’s about lace shorts.

[Voyager]

Everyone has such accidents, but what did you want to say to yours, I’m not afraid of expression, vyser?

[pru-pavel]

It seems to be written there that the Americans avoided the collision (this is written in the article), while ours did not avoid it. It happens who argues.

[jonht]

I think that the question here is that they don’t have the opportunity at such a meeting to hide all the secrets and possibilities of their pepelats. And they oh how they do not want to show us. And for comparison, see how they brazenly behave on the same F-15 and F-16.

[Voyager]

There is nothing special to hide there other than radar indicators with their EPR, but they solved this problem with lenses

[jonht]

I think lenses are of little help. Is it a problem to calculate and subtract the lens effect from the obtained EPR value? I think not, but maneuvering characteristics, such as speed on a bend and its radius are of greater importance, according to them, one can assume how likely it is to perform a counter maneuver, with what permissible overloads. In addition, the radars of the meter range can see all these "stealths" very well.

[Voyager]

The problem is, after all, it is not known how strong the lens is. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

[jonht]

If its shape is known, then its background can be calculated, and there are a lot of photos of these lenses. It is clear that this cannot be done with high accuracy, but this is not necessary.

[Kawado]

The planes are not the ones, not for "rapprochement", both new EFKs are for covertly striking from a distance, but F15 and F16 - it makes no sense to hide, and even more so within the range of our air defense.
I think in Syria, both sides studied each other, sniffed at technology, so to speak ...
Small, local wars are needed, so that weapons are steamed and free resources are taken away or a place for a base, etc. etc. Global wars are not beneficial to anyone.

[Kharkiv]

This did not mean a full-fledged war, but to maneuver the opponent, drop him in the tail and take aim (and not shoot, of course). The Su-35 was able to do this with the F-22 (see fighterbomber). Su-57 would have torn American crafts

[Private SA]

Interesting logic you have, twisting pirouettes in front of our "Rooks" is all normal and is not nothing contrary to the agreements. And when did the Su35 come down from above? The F22 flew away so that the wings folded, This, in your opinion, is considered compliance with the non-collision agreement.

[dinis]

They are afraid that God forbid that something goes wrong and there will be an air battle from which they can easily lose, but the main thing is that the modern SU-35 can write down some secrets of their super-sophisticated aircraft. My opinion is that.

[dinis]

It is interesting what kind of people gave me minuses and did not explain what was wrong. I noticed a lot of stupid people on this site, fools explain the minuses for that.

[Kawado]

I didn't put a minus, but I think that what can be "copied" is not installed on the planes at the moment. Besides, the fighter is not the right tool to "sketch".

[dinis]

Yes, maybe you're right. I thought that everything was much simpler. The fifth-generation American planes avoided contact with the SU-35 because they feared that for example, one dryer would go into the tail of an American, and the second one would take photos or videos. photography and a very tangible loss of reputation of fifth-generation American planes, and the SU-35, on the contrary, is an advertisement. How do you think?

[Kawado]

As an option.
In general, this means (with a 90% guarantee) that the Raptor is destroyed ...

[Mobik]

For the fact that you don’t know how to throw even I will minus you. It is necessary to burst into the comments shouting "you are all dumb, I alone am d'Artagnan." With this phrase, you immediately argue your opinion with reinforced concrete.

[voyaka uh]

"twist pirouettes right in front of our" Rooks "////
----
The F-22 worked intensively with flaps at a slow speed. In military language, this is a warning of danger.
The American warned that the Rooks could be confused with Syrian aircraft. And they accidentally fall under the blow of the Super Hornets from an aircraft carrier. Before this, one Syrian plane bombing the Kurds was shot down by Hornet.

[okko077]

And what is yours and their dog business - who in Syria is being bombed by a Syrian plane ??? Whom he could warn, being illegally in someone else's territory ... Let yours and yours .... work with your flaps and work with you .... In the sky of Israel, an Iranian plane works with flaps in front of the F-22 face that it can A- 10 confused with Israeli airplanes? !! Not weak?

[okko077]

We also have the same conditions there ... Only PI_ndos can increase their potential at times if necessary, our capabilities are very limited .... and they are inferior to their capabilities in Syria at times ... This explains our cautious behavior, although we are right .... Analysts and patriots simply forget this often ....

[Dormidont2]

after all, 6 medium-range missiles are not enough, 2 more rockets could be placed in 2 x air intakes

[new max]

Air collectors? Well, that is not in the nozzle engines.

[new max]

In my opinion, no matter how 8 medium-range air-to-air missiles can be placed in the internal compartments of the Su-57. 4 X-59MK2 fit there, and they are 2 times larger than medium-range air-to-air missiles.

[Etsma]

And also a box with grenades under the seat. Well, to drop from the window on the adversaries!

[Zhelezyakin]

And a checker in the hands of the pilot, for especially close combat!

[new max]

For a Ukrainian pilot just right. Flight on the ground, so you can hold a saber in your hand for "especially close combat." I see this familiar to you not by hearsay.

[Zhelezyakin]

Ek, did my friend jar you? Or with a sense of humor tight ?!

[new max]

Quote: etsma

And also a box with grenades under the seat. Well, to drop from the window on the adversaries!

You see that you are not accidentally blown away from the "window" from which you are going to throw grenades at the foe.

[Etsma]

Yes, you seem to know nothing about airplanes. There are straps for fixing the pilots, just so as not to be blown away.

[new max]

Why are you demonstrating your well-developed working organ-language?

Quote: etsma

Yes, you seem to know nothing about airplanes. There are straps for fixing the pilots, just so as not to be blown away.

[new max]

Quote: etsma

Yes, you seem to know nothing about airplanes. There are straps for fixing the pilots, just so as not to be blown away.

Quote: HallRaiser

Dear wake up, you 0b0 fought!

[Kawado]

even in the cockpit, instead of the pilot, you can cram if the lantern is not completely closed ...
- Press rubber band like a trunk on a Lada)))

[Kharkiv]

It’s ridiculous. He is already dramatically superior. But what’s there, even any Su-35 can be beaten by any American fighter, not like the F-35, but even the F-22

[Speedy]

f (22) + f (35) = su (57) Is this our mocking so mathematically?))

[Errr]

The most interesting thing is that another equation is logically inferred from your equation: F = Su.

[Aaron Zawi]

And what does it surpass? What conditions are implied? Head to Head? Two versus six? In DVB or BVB?
Or maybe it means that it will be cheaper? I have some questions left after reading this statement.

[pru-pavel]

He said this not for those who like to ask questions.

[sledak]

This is exactly the IDF bots here on this sting and drive.

[new max]

The old fashioned way. The party said the Komsomol answered yes.

[new max]

Quote: pru-pavel

He said this not for those who like to ask questions.

You wanted to say that he said this not for those who like to ask stupid questions?

[pru-pavel]

Quote: new max

You wanted to say that he said this not for those who like to ask stupid questions?

Quote: new max

Who about what, and lousy about the bath.

Although I might be wrong, I can’t be sure that the Russian language is native to you and you speak it well.

[new max]

You would also add each of your clever conclusions from quotes containing one letter. And you would make an awesome conclusion from this. Kindergarten and nothing more.

Quote: pru-pavel

Quote: new max

You wanted to say that he said this not for those who like to ask stupid questions?

Quote: new max

Who about what, and lousy about the bath.

Although I might be wrong, I can’t be sure that the Russian language is native to you and you speak it well.

[pru-pavel]

Quote: new max

Would you still from quotes containing one letter each his clever conclusion

Okay. We will write all these problems to poor language skills. All the same, typos are unlikely to be wrong and very unlikely

[new max]

Quote: pru-pavel

Quote: new max

Would you still from quotes containing one letter each his clever conclusion

Okay. We will write all these problems to poor language skills. All the same, typos are unlikely to be wrong and very unlikely

The smartphone rewrites each word in its own way several times. Do not judge strictly if you have not double-checked and corrected it somewhere. You judging by your answer you know your language awesomely. No worse than

Quote: new max

Why are you demonstrating your well-developed working organ-language?

Quote: etsma

Yes, you seem to know nothing about airplanes. There are straps for fixing the pilots, just so as not to be blown away.

[Etsma]

Or maybe show you where the keys to the safe are?

[new max]

Quote: etsma

Or maybe show you where the keys to the safe are?

The main thing is that the keys are not from your safe.

[Voyager]

It is understood that he flies faster. Superiority? Yes. Maneuverable. Also superior. The "eyes" he sees further. Etc.

[Kawado]

He is absolutely right! anyway...

eFki buy us - not with your hands:
1 - they stand in bucks, and the course jumps
2 - under them, either develop suspensions for our weapons (if it fits at all), or buy weapons from amers, too, and also for bucks
3 - during the war with the amers and their allies, the Americans obviously will not deliver spare parts and missiles to us

This should already be enough to say that the Su-57 "far superior"!
There is no sense in discussing someone who will "wash" in an alleged (virtual) air battle, especially based on data that is in the public domain.

In kindergarten, we argued with the children over who had the "cooler" parents, mom-kamazist or dad-accountant ...

"Comrade captain, does it matter who you kill?" © Ryaba, movie "9th company"

[Kharkiv]

Ideally, we need at least 800, or better, 1000 Su-57s. Another 600-700 pieces of a 5th generation bomber based on the Su-57, which can be called, for example, Su-56 (similar to Su-35 and Su-34) and 200-300 pieces of light super-fighters Mig-41. A few hundred more can be represented by Su-35, Su-34, MiG-31 and top versions of the Su-30

[kepmor]

with your "ideals" and with the current situation in the economy with finances, most of the population will definitely be left in only trousers ... a hat ...

[new max]

And then Senka Yaytsenyuh?

[Etsma]

Also add 50 spaceships and 8 flying saucers. Well, let them be, really wants to.

[new max]

Have you personally added before your eyes? Smoke not in the puff.

[Etsma]

Sarcasm I understand, did not appreciate?

[Voyager]

More pilots in the appropriate amount to cut. Well, to increase the military budget by 20-30 times, in principle, is not a problem, right?

[new max]

Sliced ​​Pinocchio dill. Russian pilots are trained in Flight Schools.

[Voyager]

In such an amount that they dream of above, they will only have to plan and knee. We have either quality or quantity, and MO chose quality.

[Kharkiv]

Quote: Voyager

More pilots in the appropriate amount to cut

You seem to think badly. Now Russia has 2000 combat aircraft, I wrote down what models of these aircraft should be in quantity ... ta-dam, 2000 pieces / all of a sudden /

[Voyager]

I consider it excellent, unlike you, apparently living in a different world. We have a total of fighters in service, considering the Su-35, Su-27 of various modifications, the Su-30, MiG 29 and 31, about 600 pieces in total. And then, not all of them are in flight condition. How in such a miraculous way are you going to at least such a number of pilots suddenly retrain on the Su-57, which takes years? I'm not talking about thousands.
He painted 2000 ... and who will pilot the transport aircraft and other support aircraft? Woe to the strategist.

[Kharkiv]

Insane, first google the concept of "combat aircraft" and what it includes, then write on the forum

[Voyager]

You are healthy? Are we talking about training pilots specifically for fighters and bombers or for the entire fleet? My questions regarding the number of trained pilots are still relevant, and you cannot give an answer to them because of your mental limitations.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Voyager

We have a total of 35 fighters in service, considering the Su-27, Su-30 of various modifications, the Su-29, MiG 31 and 600, about XNUMX pieces in total

Only 3547 units. (http://samoleting.ru/). Of these, the number of fighters is closer to 800m if you count with the MiG-29K and Su-34 (wiki + bmpd) + about 200-250 Su-25 and over 100 Yak-130. And you are right - quickly (in 5 years) the number of pilots will not increase several times.

[mark1]

You justify your epaulettes completely ... but still funny.

[andranick]

Such a list of needs should begin (not forgetting about planning, the General Staff for a minute) with the Required number of flight and technical personnel. Not a specialist, but I suspect that 5 generation requirements for flight personnel will be higher than current

[Normal]

if you add fu 22 and fu 35, the su-57 comes out exactly. Coincidence or banter over mattresses?

[new max]

Two in one and a fighter for air superiority and a ground fighter-bomber. 1 + 1 = 2
F-22 + F-35 = Su-57

[Е2 - Е4]

Today, Russia already dominates the air, and even SU ​​57 is lifted into the air, then in general the sky will be closed to everyone in any part of the world, by the will of the Commander-in-Chief.

[kepmor]

Hans Christian Andersen compared to you, Colonel, nothing ...
you made me a day

[new max]

I hope that Hans Christian Anderson’s books are no longer your favorite desktop books. At least not at your age.

[Greenwood]

The F-35 has been built in the last few years for more than 300 units. This is not counting the 187 F-22 and many hundreds of thousands of F-15/16. And how many Su-35s were built over the same period of time? About the Su-57, I generally keep quiet.

[Herman 4223]

More than a hundred, and also su-30, and su-34.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Herman 4223

Over a hundred

For 10 years? Hello. Amerikosy for this period a couple of thousand rivet.

Quote: Herman 4223

another su-30, and su-34

A similar amount. In general, sadness.

[Herman 4223]

Not in ten, in six years, the series went only in 2012. The F-35s started to be made in the same year and there are three hundred of them now. Our production is rather weak, we do very little, I always write in my comments. I’m sure we could more.

[new max]

Quote: Е2 - Е4

Today, Russia already dominates the air, and even SU ​​57 is lifted into the air, then in general the sky will be closed to everyone in any part of the world, by the will of the Commander-in-Chief.

Well, not yet in any part of the world, but our sky, according to the Will of the Commander-in-Chief, is at the castle for sure. Do not hesitate.

[vadsonen]

according to the Will of the Commander-in-Chief in the castle for sure. Do not hesitate.

Well time you They said no doubt, it’s definitely locked.
And the commander in chief, it turns out, is not just a will - but a Will! Voloshche!
This begs the question - if "The Will of the Commander-in-Chief" is written not with a capital letter, but with all capital letters, then maybe no one will invade from the sea either?

[new max]

Is your last name Nagiyev accidentally from the MTS advertisement? A stunning relationship between the capital letter and the fact that no one will invade from the sea. You are the "captain of non-obviousness". Rather, the captain is "nifigan".

[Sergei 777]

The engine of the second stage to bring to mind, and all. You don’t even have to think about who whom.

[new max]

Why think about the bad? You need to think about the good.

[Alexey-74]

It’s not entirely clear what the F-35’s scope is better, and why the F-22’s avoidance of a military collision with our Su-35S is interpreted this way, especially as a military man, our planes will be better, but the reason for avoiding the collision is commonplace - there is no order and not the desire to unleash the Third World War. And the fact that the Su-57 at the final stage will be better than the American, I have no doubt.

[Etsma]

And nothing that f 22 was jabbering over our su 24 bombers, and only dug when our thirty-five arrived.

[new max]

Nothing. We were allowed to him. In fact, the Su-24 so joked on the F-22.

[shadow]

Well, if the United States itself recognized that Fuflo-35 really can’t really fight, about Fuflo-22 they are generally silent, they even stopped releasing it. Question: why did it stop like that, bad or very bad? A good aircraft from the series will not be removed. That’s all on a piece of paper, as they say: it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines.

[Engineer]

Does a heavy twin-engine fighter outperform an average single-engine fighter? Not bad. And when will he go around the F-22 - a fighter from the last century?

[g1washntwn]

If we divide by finances, the "heavy" ones are the American "light" single-engine ones. But the long-time "heavy" twin-engine SU-27 began to make them in maneuverability. Then the SU-35, in the long run the SU-57 will take over the baton. The Americans will avoid demonstration fights at exhibitions for a very long time, this will become pure anti-PR for them, here the author is right. They have a "long arm" concept, so maneuverability was brought in for the sake of stealth, network centrics and range. And the SU-57 is the same maneuverable SU, but with buns from the 5th generation, for which the Americans need to create a completely new MFI.

[Korax71]

I’m more interested in something else. What sideways a person who served in the Strategic Missile Forces all his life falls into controversy over aviation

[/ quote] Sytnik Mikhail Yurievich. Service: began service as the commander of a missile division, then went from a deputy commander of a missile regiment to a deputy commander of a division.

By decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated 04.07.2015, No. 340 was appointed commander of military unit 59968, Irkutsk.

Awarded: “Medal for Distinction in Military Service”, 1, 2, 3 degrees, distinction of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation “For Service in the Strategic Missile Forces”; “Medal for military valor” 2 degrees; insignia. [quote]

it’s very similar to the fact that the dentist talks about the treatment of prostatitis. If knowledgeable people on the site, who can devote?

[mark1]

Quote: Korax71

I’m more interested in something else. What sideways a person who served in the Strategic Missile Forces all his life falls into controversy over aviation

I’ve worked all my life anywhere but in the aviation, navy and space forces, and not even in Gazprom, but I’ll willingly scuffle at any of these topics and it’s not always silly. And he is probably on the same principle as all of us.

[Korax71]

Agree we can fuss about it in a limited circle on the site, in the kitchen with friends, all to the best of our humble knowledge. But when it goes on a wider scale, as in this case, it is either a guy or a chatter. It is one thing when such statements are made by a person directly connected with this, and another when a non-specialized specialist is engaged in this.

[mark1]

Comment gave

Member of the Council of Senior Officers of the Organization Russian Officers, Major General Yuri Sytnik.

This is more of a journalist’s problem, Sytnik was asked to comment, he commented. They would ask me, I would also comment on the question under which heading this comment would have come out. There are two options;
"An unknown man with a mark1 chase has checked out the newest Su-57"
"The Russian major of the K unit under the pseudonym mark1 gave an assessment of some characteristics and revealed the prospects for the development of the Su-57 fighter."
Both that and another on scribes conscience.

[polar fox]

I have an idiotic question from what I read: there are new composites on the SU 57, but no on the superjet ... how so? or at 57 without sanctions purchased?

[Topgun]

imagine "composite" as a thread
These threads have been made for a very long time and in the USSR they were produced dofiga, there is a lot in Russia, but technologies do not stand still and Western "threads" are thinner and stronger
if on the Fighter the wing is a little thicker and heavier, no one will know about it, the main thing is there is no dependence on "Western partners", but on a civilian plane where a relatively large wing the characteristics will significantly decrease (wing weight + its thickness will require more kerosene), besides competition in the market where every gram of kerosene is counted + your composite probably still needs to be certified + perhaps there is still a lack of production capabilities, etc.
there is also a question on the binder, it also happens to be of different quality and properties
in short, all the science of technology, etc., you can not constantly use what the fathers left ...

[sgrabik]

But also, one cannot stupidly buy everything abroad, the aircraft industry is a strategic industry, and one cannot depend on anyone here.

[Topgun]

clear business, but not everything is as simple as it might seem at first glance
I am a little in the subject of production equipment, and on duty I communicate with colleagues on professional forums, here is a funny story about "import substitution" from the mouth of a person related to the production of Elbrus processors, according to his words, only an electrician is in the Elbrus Russian processor - the rest is purchased, negotiations were conducted with some research institute to take water from them !!! the desired quality. It was a long time ago and it is possible that the issues were somehow resolved, although I doubt, water, yes, but I have not heard about the rest ...
modern equipment also requires appropriate quality materials (I am silent that modern equipment requires the Internet, has JPS, etc., etc.) - everything is complicated

[Errr]

I have no information on the 57th and Superjet, but I still have a supply of composites for 6 wings (for 6 aircraft) MS-21. They took the party with a margin. Subsequently, there was an idea to take from the Chinese, but, apparently, the quality did not suit. Now Russian minds are composing composites of their own. But it's all about the black wing of the MS-21 (and probably the Superjet). They are the same for the Su-57 or others, I don’t know. Military secrets, however.

[nikolai.kolya]

and the general cuckoo went specifically !!! says such words .... well, if the ensign, it’s clear

[anat]

delusional article- india refused the su-57 for a reason, it doesn’t pull on the 5th generation according to them. buy an experimental batch. adoption has been postponed for 5-6 years. it may be morally obsolete by then - the technical task is from 2002. then it was still necessary to attach itself to the tail in battle, but now the first one was discovered, the first one shot from a hundred (conditionally) kilometers. I don’t even want to write in more detail, such crap

[Voyager]

You might not have started writing at all, because the bullshit is coming out

[Antonio_Mariarti]

There is no money to make them, therefore, in cases of war, the United States will take in quantity.

[Elephant]

The article is more of an advertisement. The Americans also do not stand still, they invent and experiment everything and do not spare money on military know-how. Therefore, the question of the superiority of individual aircraft is a relative concept. If you look at the situation globally and soberly, it is advisable to take into account the quantitative component, where superiority is not on our side.

[_Ugene_]

Russian general: In the final version, the Su-57 will surpass the F-35

"It's a pity - you won't have to live in this wonderful time - neither me nor you"

[Zaurbek]

And F35 and F22 will wait for this happy day in its original form and the amount of 2000-3000 pieces.

[vadsonen]

Yes they will not - they will write them off by old age by then.

[Errr]

But in the pristine, they’ll hardly wait.

[AAK]

Some strange expert, this general Sytnik, is he even a pilot actually?
For it expresses itself in incomprehensible terms: "The Americans have better sights ...", are they tanks or sniper rifles?
The fighter has radar and radar target detection, there are completely different characteristics: the range of target detection with different EPR indicators in the front / rear hemispheres, including against the background of the underlying surface, the number of displayed / followed targets, the number of targets for which the simultaneous use of weapons, etc., is somehow strange ...

[Zakonnik]

Yeah, compared a heavy fighter to a light one. Like the Su-27 with the F-16, but doesn’t want to compare with the F-22?

[Dzafdet]

Quote: UMA-UMA

It is ridiculous to listen to the general, to see bitterly how the country is being mocked. The Russian Federation has lost many technologies, including therefore, su 57 for almost 10 years can not bring to mind and put into series. Su 57 is not a 5th generation car, because not consistent with stealth indicators, and its engine is just as weak. Before 30 years, the Russian Federation will not have an aircraft of the most modern generation, i.e. never will be. In the hypothetical war, which patriotic forces so love to relish and discuss, hundreds of f35 and f22 will be opposed by a dozen su35 and will certainly win.

You see, the fact is that their coverage does not last long. It must be applied again and this can only be done in a heated hangar. And when they clash, then all invisibility will disappear like smoke. And these will be ordinary planes, with the usual EPR. And they will be knocked down quickly and immediately in batches. And at the price they have a big ...

[senima56]

Will she ever come to the "final version" ?! Then we are waiting for the "new engine", while it is being installed and tested, "new onboard radio-electronic equipment (BRO)" has already appeared, and then "new weapons", while they figured out, the engine is "outdated" - it is necessary to install a "new" and to experience and so on without end! And I remember how Mr. Ivanov, who was in charge of the military-industrial complex at one time, promised the PAK-50 in the series in 2013 (!!!!! ????) year! I wish I could ask him now: "How does this happen ?!" And, for "nonsense", years so ..... on felling!

[APASUS]

Yuri Sytnik:
You need to understand that while the face of the Su-57 is, but this version of it is not final. Trials continue. In the final version, it will far surpass both the F-22 and F-35.

Sytnik just once again confirmed that the plane is not ready

[Victoria-V]

Again about the T-50 (in the future SU-57) I repeat: Lack of engines of the second stage, weak EPR, switched on-board systems with the Su-35S, direct channels of the air intakes, in which the compressor blades are visible, which are a very good reflector of radio waves. Andrei Frolov, editor-in-chief of the Arms Export magazine: The F-35 is a production aircraft. J-20 - pre-production, and T-50 at the development stage.

[Herman 4223]

The air intakes are straight, but our plane is 500 km faster than the F-22 and 700 km F-35, speed is an important factor, then notice doesn’t mean to knock down, there are serious means of jamming on our plane. The Chinese J20 is already serial, a contract was signed for the su-57, first two this year.

[Victoria-V]

There is no engine yet, but already ahead of the rest)

[Herman 4223]

You are mistaken, there is no engine of the second stage, they started to develop it later, initially they were going to put on the airplane the modification al41 which was developed for the previous project, a second modification of this engine is on the su-35. The first cars will be with this engine. So what is the plane flying on there is.

[sgrabik]

The engine of the second stage is ready and undergoes flight tests, Victoria, stop throwing shit, if you do not have accurate information, then it is better to shut up and not mislead others with your writings.

[Victoria-V]

Here is the information in 2016: General Director of Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Gagarina, Alexander Pekars, said in an interview with TASS that the second-stage engine for the fifth-generation fighter of the fifth generation T-50 PAK FA (a promising front-line aviation complex) is ready. And that his tests are currently being conducted. Thus, the serial production of the aircraft, scheduled for the end of 2017, will be made with this engine. Fears that the first T-50 samples will begin to enter the Air Force with the previous, less effective engine modification did not materialize. The aircraft will go into the series with all the systems and assemblies provided for in the design, specially created for it.

[Victoria-V]

The radar signature of the T-50 is like a log in the eye, and you're talking about speed ...

[Herman 4223]

And this is far from a fact, but rather more stupid, the EPR of an airplane in different wavelength ranges will be different, if in a certain millimeter range from some angle of EPR of 0.001to in the centimeter range this can already be 0.5, in the decimeter wavelength range, the stealth-based aircraft is not very different from the usual one, the angle from which the radiation is projected in the side projection is also two to three times more noticeable than in the front, the top and bottom are far noticeable cakes. The blades of the su-57 may sparkle but the engines stand at an angle and the reflection goes strictly in one direction from the source of radiation, so the whole technology stealth in principle and works, the signal is reflected away from the source in one direction.

[Victoria-V]

According to the author, the latest composite materials were used in his design. There are none and the next 5 years will definitely not be. Japan suggested, Putin almost agreed ... But the people did not.

[sgrabik]

It’s not necessary to stoop to the uttermost; we have also successfully developed and produced composites; for the MS-21, the composite wing production line will be launched in 2020, to replace the Japanese one.

[Victoria-V]

You were wrong with 2020. Here is an article in 2016: In 2017, serial production of a composite wing for the promising MS-21 aircraft will begin in Ulyanovsk. In the expansion of production - the acquisition of new equipment - investors will invest more than 3 billion rubles. Now the AeroComposit-Ulyanovsk plant is working on the manufacture of a composite wing for the experimental batch of MS-21. The first copy was installed on an aircraft, which was rolled out in the summer in Irkutsk.
https://ulpressa.ru/2016/12/08/v-novom-godu-v-ulyanovske-pristupyat-k-sborke-kompozitnogo-kryila-dlya-perspektivnogo-samoleta-ms-21/

[BARHAN]

It seems that UMA-UMA is getting to tell secret TTX?

[Roman070280]

"The first serial fighter of the fifth generation Su-57 will enter the troops by the end of this year"

Well, they would write right then, before the end of which year, according to the general, this SU will win the American 35s ..
Compare the planes that hundreds already fly .. with what the pitchfork says on the water .. This is what is going to happen in my head !!

[ZVS]

He was supposed to get it back in the 17th. But all these years only talk about the unmatched Su-57! Now, when he enters the troops, and there he will be run in, then those who will exploit them will be rated.

[sgrabik]

And what prevents our engineers from finalizing the aiming systems on the Su-57 to the level of F-35, or even surpassing them ???

[utas216]

The main word here is "our"

[Renat]

By the time it "surpasses" the F-35 and F-22 (having finally entered the VKS en masse), the same USA will already have some F-45 in serial production and sale to vassals.

[solovald]

Well, well ... another song from the repertoire "has no analogues in the world." I won't even read - the title is enough.

[nnz226]

How many merino F-22 and 35 fighters ??? And how many Su-57 do we have ??? In case of conflict, they will take us in numbers, despite all the flaws of the airplanes among the adversaries!