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ZTZ-99

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The serial production of the third generation Chinese main battle tank Type 99 (ZTZ-99) is a machine created on the basis of the Type 98 prototype. One of the first options for this tank with enhanced armor protection was demonstrated by NORINCO in 2000. The tank was put on public display on a special pedestal. Initially, in some sources, this modification was designated as "Type 98G" (from the Chinese "guy" - advanced, modified). In the same 2000, the first batch of 40 Type 99 tanks was launched. North China Mechanical Engineering Research Institute No. 201 (NEVORI, Beijing) and the First FIRMACO Engineering Company (formerly Factory No. 617 in Baotou, Inner Mongolia), the developers of this machine, began work on improving the prototype as soon as Type 98 went to the test. The main directions for improving the characteristics of the tank are: increasing mobility by installing a more powerful 1500-horsepower turbocharged diesel engine, improving the fire control system, increasing security by installing built-in dynamic protection on the frontal projections of the tower and the hull.

Combined armor protection of the frontal projection of the tank is enhanced by the installation of blocks of built-in dynamic protection, located above the main booking, and the blocks are located on the tower "corner". In addition, the aft niche of the tower is additionally protected, where the dynamic protection is mounted on top of the lattice basket. A similar booking scheme could also be seen on the upgraded 96 Type tank and the Al Khalid Pakistani. If the first models of the "Type 99" blocks DZ installed over the main armor parts, then they were originally built into the general reservation. In addition, the configuration of additional units in the production process of machines has changed somewhat. Initially, the cheekbones of the tower were increased only forward, and then they became more sloping from the sides, where DZ blocks were also placed. In addition, part of the blocks on the last machines was installed on the roof of the tower, thus strengthening it from cumulative ammunition acting from the upper hemisphere. The modular booking design allows you to quickly replace damaged blocks with new ones.

ZTZ-99


Like the 98 Type prototype, the 99 Type tank is equipped with an integrated JD-3 active-response laser system, consisting of an integrated laser range finder, an LRW laser irradiation warning sensor, and an LSDW combat quantum generator. Upon receiving a signal about the tank’s irradiation with a laser beam from an enemy, the warning system generates a signal to turn the turret towards the detected source, then a weak-power laser beam turns on, determining the exact location of the target, after which the beam power instantaneously increases to a critical level and disables the optical media or organs of vision of the enemy operator.



The advanced fire control system of the tank includes a combined gunner’s and commander’s sights with independent stabilization, a laser range finder, a thermal imager, a digital ballistic computer, an 2 plane armament stabilizer, a set of sensors (atmospheric conditions, barrel bore wear, etc.), a commander’s multifunctional panel color indicator and target tracking system. The image from the thermal imager is displayed on the color displays of the commander and the gunner (multiplicity x11,4 and x5). In addition, the tank is equipped with a navigation system with inertial and satellite (GPS) channels, the data from which are also displayed on the display of the commander and superimposed on the digital map of the area. The tank is equipped with a modern radio station and TPU.



The main armament of the tank - 125-mm smoothbore gun - the Chinese version of the Russian tank guns 2А46. The barrel of the gun is equipped with a thermal insulation jacket. As on the “Type 98”, the tank “Type 99” is equipped with a hydro-mechanical carousel-type automatic loader on the 22 shot. The total ammunition is 41 shot separate-sleeve loading with armor-piercing podkalibernymi shells with a separating pan, cumulative shells, high-explosive and tank anti-tank 9М119 "Reflex" of Russian production (with laser-guided). Auxiliary armament consists of a twin 7,62-mm machine gun "Type 86" and anti-aircraft 12,7-mm W-85. On the sides of the turret, two 5-type 84 smoke grenade launchers were installed.



Installed on the tank "Type 99" diesel engine water-cooled turbocharged power 1500 hp created on the basis of the German MB871ka501. With the mass of the tank 54 tons, it gives the power density 27,78 hp / t. and the maximum speed of movement on the highway - 80 km / h (over rough terrain - to 60 km / h). The tank accelerates from standstill to 32 km / h in just 12 seconds. Mechanical planetary transmission provides 7 speeds for forward movement and one in reverse. Torsion bar suspension with gyro-shock absorber.



After the release of 40 tanks "Type 99" their production was continued, but at a slow pace. Now these modern machines are armed only elite units of the PLA, deployed in the Beijing and Shenyansky military districts.
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  1. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 15 December 2012 10: 02
    +2
    I don’t understand, but what do they have in the "trunk" on the tower?
    Well, what can I say? The Chinese are working, they are not standing still - the engine is powerful, it must run fast, it seems decent protection ...
    1. snek
      snek 15 December 2012 12: 56
      +3
      Moreover, there are already modifications to this tank - type99A2 - with better electronics (and it seems like armor).
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 December 2012 16: 29
      +8
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      the engine is powerful, it should run fast, it seems decent protection ...

      If you pay attention to where the exhaust pipes stick out from the tank, it becomes clear that lengthening the tank by 1,39 meters served only to push this engine there. Therefore, additional tons of tank weight were not spent on strengthening the reservation of the tank, but in order to cover the additional hull length with armor (almost one and a half meters). Moreover, these armored one and a half meters of the length of the hull, you still have to carry around with you constantly, which is part of the engine power.
      And what did you guess by sticking such an engine there? We have in the same dimensions t-72-90 put the engine in 1130 horses. There is 1200l \ s (Chelyabinsk V-99). Also, in almost the same dimensions they put the 12H360 X-shaped engine in 1500l \ s -
      ran in at facility 187 (now similar engines work in the oil and gas industry). In 187, the upper part of the engine compartment was slightly longer for installing a larger radiator, but the entire body was only 72 cm longer than the T-30, and the weakened area in the area of ​​the driver’s viewing devices was removed, while the Chinese remained .
      Viewing instruments ob. 187 are behind the hatch of the driver, under the tower:

      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 16 December 2012 00: 27
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        If you pay attention to where the exhaust pipes protrude from the tank, it becomes clear that lengthening the tank by 1,39 meters served only to push this engine there .....

        The red arrow is the exhaust pipe. The blue line is tentatively a partition between the combat and engine compartment. The distance from the first skating rink to the bulkhead of the t-72 and type-99 is the same.
        1. Kars
          Kars 16 December 2012 01: 00
          0
          I would pay more attention to the long bow of the hull. From the beginning of the tower. And I wouldn’t pay so much attention to the exhaust manifolds --- the Soviet and German diesel engines are very similar in this. Where is the exhaust from Leo 2?

          And even an increase in the hull will not change the weight much, the hull, especially in the stern, does not differ in any particular thickness.
          1. Kars
            Kars 16 December 2012 13: 32
            +2
            German engine is a close relative of the Chinese
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 17 December 2012 18: 13
            0
            Quote: Kars
            And I wouldn’t pay so much attention to the exhaust manifolds --- the Soviet and German diesel engines are very similar in this. Where is the exhaust from Leo 2?

            I agree that they are not similar. But in what I have no doubt, the exhaust pipe will stick out precisely from the engine compartment, and not from the combat.
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 December 2012 18: 27
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              Quote: Bad_gr
              But in what I have no doubt, the exhaust pipe will stick out precisely from the engine compartment

              And this is not a fact as collectors and silencers will be laid along the fenders. For cooling the exhaust.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 17 December 2012 21: 56
                0
                Quote: Kars
                And this is not a fact as collectors and silencers will be laid along the fenders. For cooling the exhaust.

                And what could be the logical justification that if the engine was aft, the exhaust should be made on both sides of the tank, almost in the middle of the side projection (tank from the earlier pictures)?
                1. Kars
                  Kars 17 December 2012 22: 04
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                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  to make an exhaust in the middle of the side projection of the tank, moreover, on both sides (the tank from the earlier pictures)?

                  Yes, nobody, the video shows that exhaust from the side windows is very rare, the Leopards also have the same ones, although I haven’t seen any of them at all. I can assume that this is an auxiliary system, until at least some drawings and layouts appear.
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 17 December 2012 23: 17
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                    Quote: Kars
                    the video shows that from the side windows the exhaust appears very rarely,

                    I wouldn’t say so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNttksoU_9o.
                    It’s just that at low load the engine hardly smokes, but with a sharp pressure on the gas - 2-3 meters horizontally with black smoke.

                    Quote: Kars
                    Leopards have the same

                    I have no questions about Leopard. He has in that area (to the right of the grill) on the fenestrated shelf a 4-re battery, and to the left of the grill, inside the box, which looks like an engine air cleaner. 2 exhaust pipes, round in the rear, below the radiator shutters.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 17 December 2012 23: 32
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                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      I have no questions about Leopard

                      So their engine is basically the same.
                      As we see, Type 99A2 exhaust is not where in the picture with a comparison of 99 and 72
                      so no conclusions can be drawn on these grounds. If it could be transferred.
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 18 December 2012 10: 13
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                        Quote: Kars
                        So their engine is basically the same.

                        I think that there is not only the engine, but also the layout of the transmission is similar to Leopard. That is, the engine stands longitudinally (like our 34-ki), and the exhaust from it can be done either like the Leopard (from each cylinder block as a separate pipe, under the radiators, through the stern sheet), or from each cylinder block directly to the side. To deploy the exhaust pipe over the fenders and to remove the exhaust in the middle of the tank - it makes no sense.


                        Since we are talking about Leopards, pay attention to the thickness of the armor in the motor area.
                        Leopard 2A4. MBT Revolution
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 18 December 2012 13: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        To deploy the exhaust pipe over the fenders and to remove the exhaust in the middle of the tank - it makes no sense.

                        Maybe not, maybe there is - but I will repeat again to draw any conclusions based on the location of the exhaust it makes no sense.

                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Since we were talking about Leopards, pay attention to the thickness of the armor in the area of ​​the motor

                        and what about her? Mounted boxes?
                        or
                        Quote: Kars
                        especially in the stern it is not distinguished by special thickness

                        all the more so since the fenestrated shelf is open.
                      3. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 18 December 2012 17: 46
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                        Quote: Kars
                        and what about her? Mounted boxes?
                        or
                        Quote: Kars
                        especially in the stern it is not distinguished by special thickness
                        all the more so since the fenestrated shelf is open.


                        It matters what exactly this armor covers.
                        In our tanks: on the right side on the fenestrated shelf additional tanks with diesel fuel (which can not be filled in combat conditions), on the left side are boxes with spare parts (wrenches, a rod with a brush for cleaning the gun, etc.).
                        Now let's see what Leopard has. On the right side, if I am not mistaken, APU, and on the left side are batteries. And all this is covered by bulletproof armor.

                        By the way, here is the empty engine compartment of the Leopard_2A5 tank. It differs in layout from the one given above, but I think the basic approach remains the same: the sidewall on the fenestrated shelf is covered with bulletproof armor, and then, unlike our tank, where the board goes to the very roof of the engine compartment (at least 50 mm of armor), Leo side above the track is not at all, immediately go units.
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 18 December 2012 17: 58
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                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        On the right side, if I am not mistaken, APU, and on the left side are batteries. And all this is covered by bulletproof armor.


                        Well, I never considered Leopard 2 as an ideal tank, as many do.
                        And the conversation here began about where the Chinese weight gain went, and how much it took to book an elongated building.

                        Nevertheless, it is not in vain that the Germans are trying to increase the security of their tank.
                      5. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 18 December 2012 18: 53
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                        Quote: Kars
                        And the conversation here began about where the Chinese weight gain went, and how much it took to book an elongated building.

                        If the Type-99 was made on the basis of the T-72, then "... the vertical sides of the hull are 80 mm thick in the area of ​​the control compartment and the fighting compartment and 70 mm in the area of ​​the engine-transmission compartment, .." (information from Vicki). That is: 1,4 in length and about a meter in height, two sheets of 70mm steel + bottom + roof over the motor. And if we assume that, in addition to the engine, the transmission is the same from the Leo, then we have: 6,9 m3 for the MV 873 engine with a transmission, with a dry mass of the power unit, 6150 kg (http://www.alexfiles99.narod.ru/engine2/mt880series/mt880series.htm) According to my estimates, it is more than 2 tons heavier than the T-72.
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 18 December 2012 19: 11
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                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        According to my estimates, it is more than 2 tons heavier than the T-72.

                        Well, with a difference in weight between 55 (Type 99) and 41 (T-72, I did not hear that in the latest models they would increase the thickness of the armor in the MTO wound, so I take the first ones), then 2-3 tons do not play a special role when increasing the power from 840 to 1500 horses. So say
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        that lengthening the tank by 1,39 meters served only to push this engine there. Therefore, additional tons of tank weight were not spent on strengthening the reservation of the tank, but in order to cover the additional hull length with armor

                        somehow it is not entirely appropriate. is it true?
                      7. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 18 December 2012 19: 27
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                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, with a weight difference between 55 (Type 99) and 41 (T-72,

                        I agree that the difference is 14 tons, it is unlikely that all went to a heavier engine with a transmission and armor, which covered the additional volume of the motor. Suppose a third of this weight. The remaining 10 reinforced the protection of the tank.
                        How rationally this is done will show time.
                      8. Kars
                        Kars 18 December 2012 19: 32
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                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        How rationally this is done will show time.

                        I also agree with this, although the scenarios of such a show scare me a little.
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        additional engine capacity

                        Well, according to another story, it’s also very difficult to get a power gain, the Chinese vryatli want Merits with all the vagaries of low-powered engines - it's about your X-shaped and Kharkov ones. They want it now, and tested by time.
        2. Serge
          Serge 16 December 2012 20: 39
          +2
          interesting comments, thanks
    3. Serge
      Serge 16 December 2012 20: 38
      0
      The Chinese copy and do not hesitate, I do not understand why ours do not buy a pair of "Abromsov" or "Leopards2")
      1. Akim
        Akim 16 December 2012 21: 31
        +3
        Serge,

        Did the act say they are better? In weapons, LeoA6 is superior to BM Bulat and T-90MA (MS), but inferior in defense. The Germans themselves want an AZ when modernizing a tank with a 140-mm gun. And he is already in Ukraine!
      2. Nick
        Nick 16 December 2012 23: 11
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        Serge,
        Quote: Seryoga

        The Chinese copy and do not hesitate, I do not understand why ours do not buy a pair of "Abromsov" or "Leopards2")

        Of course you can buy, but the school is different, the tasks are different, the operating conditions, and production technologies ...
  2. Ro-man
    Ro-man 15 December 2012 10: 56
    +2
    I agree completely .. Well, wait for the opinions of people for whom nothing better than the T-90.
    1. Splin
      Splin 15 December 2012 12: 03
      -2
      After the Peace Mission exercise, Russian officers admitted that the Type-99 is better than the T-90A, only the engine is capricious. Maybe that's why the generals did not want to continue purchasing the Vladimir?
      1. bask
        bask 15 December 2012 12: 48
        +14
        Quote: Splin
        Russian officers admitted that the Type-99 is better than the T-90A,

        What is the Type-99 better than the T-90.? And they didn’t buy it, not only the T-90 but also other armored vehicles. The Moscow Region had a heart, with a makar. But the Indians are buying the T-90 MS with might and main. They can count every rupee. worse than the original.
        1. Kars
          Kars 15 December 2012 12: 50
          +3
          Quote: bask
          .And here the Indians are in full swing buying the T-90 MS.

          How much have you already bought? When did you sign the contract?

          And 99 is probably a smaller clone than the T-90 and T-90A.
          Although the roots are still visible.
        2. Akim
          Akim 15 December 2012 13: 07
          +1
          bask,

          You are showing MS (MA). This is the peak of modernization. Need a new tank. At the same time, the Chinese ZTZ-99 - this stock is not exhausted. A longer base allows you to put a more powerful gun and strengthen the reservation.
          1. bask
            bask 15 December 2012 14: 13
            +9
            Quote: Akim
            long base allows you to put and more powerful gun and strengthen the reservation

            That's right. They have the Communists in power, stole one yuan to the wall .. And who is .... ???? How many promising projects were ruined. One project Object 640 what it cost. Could get a 3 + generation tank ... The Chinese did not even dream of this in the late 90s.
  3. AK-47
    AK-47 15 December 2012 11: 16
    +9
    China is opening up its face more and more, apparently this is not their last development. From dumb copying, they moved on to meaningful modernization.
  4. Kars
    Kars 15 December 2012 12: 15
    +4
    Today is a day of re-posting old articles along the way. On the main few I read more than a year ago.
    1. Kars
      Kars 15 December 2012 12: 16
      +4
      PS. Why photo T-90A (tower) second from the bottom?
    2. Akim
      Akim 15 December 2012 12: 21
      +3
      Kars,
      There are not many of you "grandfathers" left here (judging by the stars on the shoulder straps), but we did not know the dasish elephants, in the form of articles. But now I found the old materials.
      1. Kars
        Kars 15 December 2012 12: 51
        +8
        Quote: Akim
        (judging by the stars on uniform)

        This is not an indicator, if that they can be quickly observed using correct replicas.
        1. snek
          snek 15 December 2012 12: 54
          +6
          Quote: Kars
          Today is a day of re-posting old articles along the way. On the main few I read more than a year ago.

          Yes, it’s like it wasn’t exactly the same
          Quote: Kars
          This is not an indicator, if that they can be quickly observed using correct replicas.

          That’s for sure - some a couple of weeks before the marshals arrive with the words that Washington needs to be bombed and all of ours is the very best.
  5. snek
    snek 15 December 2012 12: 49
    0
    Yes, I’ve been here for more than a year, but I don’t remember such an article, although it may have been at a time when I did not drop in.
  6. Samovar
    Samovar 15 December 2012 13: 11
    +3
    41 rounds of separate-shell loading with armor-piercing subcaliber shells with a detachable pallet, shaped-charge shells, high-explosive fragmentation and tank ATGM 9M119 "Reflex" of Russian production

    As I understand it, everything except the ATGMs was copied, since the Russians are using it. By the way, the ATGM is called Invar, not Reflex.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 December 2012 13: 18
      +5
      This fall, the Chinese signed a contract for the purchase of a batch of Kombat TOUR.
  7. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 15 December 2012 13: 39
    +1
    And they say we do not need tanks.
    When Tip99 rolls to the Ural Mountains Borjomi will be late to drink.
  8. arthur_hammer
    arthur_hammer 15 December 2012 14: 36
    +2
    breaks down the road))))
  9. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 15 December 2012 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: arthur_hammer
    breaks down the road))))


    well done Chinese and funny) take a taxi, take an interest in some kind of geely mk, how he walks and what taxi drivers say, compared to our junk) you will be surprised

    production culture at zero in Russia, what to expect?)
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 December 2012 14: 59
      +1
      maxiv1979,

      That is right. Sami a year ago bought Mk new. Neither Zhigul (aka Lada) nor Lanos (Chance) is suitable for him. Although it costs the same money.
      1. rolik
        rolik 15 December 2012 23: 50
        +4
        And I have a German, and not a single Chinese man is good enough for him.
        1. Akim
          Akim 16 December 2012 07: 52
          +3
          Quote: rolik

          And I have a German, and not a single Chinese man is good enough for him.


          But still, the car is not made in CIS (CIS)
          And so you compared x ... with a finger. I said about cars not only of one class, but also of one price range. Even Koreans gathered in Russia are much more expensive.
  10. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 15 December 2012 15: 04
    +3
    arthur_hammer,
    breaks down the road))))

    The amount will be taken from tens of thousands, easily half will reach.
    There is no one to stop anyway. With China in the Transbaikalia, the troops are miserable.
    The ex-division in Kyakhta does not make one tank brigade.
    And you will not use nuclear weapons in your cities.
    There are many resources in Siberia, there is something to crave.
    Our happiness is that the Chinese are wise people and if there is an opportunity to buy, then why fight, and as we know, you can buy everyone in Russia and everything is practical. It all depends on the amount of RMB.
    1. biglow
      biglow 15 December 2012 19: 25
      +1
      we have a pinocchio, he will stop them
    2. M. Peter
      M. Peter 15 December 2012 20: 58
      +3
      With such a mood, you are current and drape up to the Ural Mountains.
      It will be necessary to stop, now what, fighting a number?
  11. I. Brovkin
    I. Brovkin 15 December 2012 15: 55
    +1
    It seems to me that in the third photo not Type-99, but some self-propelled guns.
  12. Faza
    Faza 15 December 2012 22: 20
    +1
    when ours will show the new T-99 tank on the Armata tracked platform. I hope this will be a good answer to the Abrams and everyone else.
    1. rolik
      rolik 15 December 2012 23: 52
      +4
      Quote: FaZa
      when ours will show the new T-99 tank on the Armata tracked platform.

      I am more interested in when the Chinese will start to copy it, and say that it is superior to "Armata"
  13. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 16 December 2012 05: 36
    +2
    Quote: M.Pyotr
    With such a mood, you are current and drape up to the Ural Mountains.
    It will be necessary to stop, now what, fighting a number?

    This is not a mood, but a statement of facts. Troops in Transbaikalia are minuscule.
    Air defense with holes. There are no artillery connections at all.
    Everything is as usual written off by the authorities at random.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 16 December 2012 05: 56
      +6
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      Troops in Transbaikalia minuscule

      Yes ..... since 1988, it’s better not to compare, moreover, China is leaps and bounds, so to speak .. --- On the territory of the okrug, including Mongolia, 3 combined armies were deployed (29th, 36th, 39th) , connections of central and district subordination. The Air Force was supported by the 23rd Air Army, and air cover was provided by the 54th separate Guards Air Defense Corps and the Mukden Air Defense Corps (39th Mukden Corps of the Air Defense Forces of the Country).
      The 29th combined arms army (headquarters - the city of Ulan-Ude) included a guards tank division, three motorized rifle divisions, a separate engineering battalion, the 1898th separate radioengineering air defense battalion, a separate rocket artillery regiment, two anti-aircraft missile brigades, a separate communications regiment, and a separate helicopter regiment.
      The 36th Combined Arms Army (headquarters - the town of Borzya, Chita Region) included three guards motorized rifle divisions, an artillery brigade, an anti-aircraft missile brigade, a separate reactive artillery regiment, a separate helicopter regiment, a separate radio technical regiment, a separate communications regiment, an engineer and combat battalion, and an airborne - assault battalion, separate radio-technical air defense battalion, separate electronic warfare battalion, three fortified areas.
      The 39th Combined Arms Army (headquarters - Ulan Bator (Mongolia)) included two tank divisions, three motorized rifle divisions, two reconnaissance brigades, two anti-aircraft missile brigades, a radio engineering brigade, a separate communications regiment, two engineering regiments, an air assault battalion, EW battalion, separate helicopter regiment, separate radio battalion:
      Units and units of district subordination - training tank division, training motorized rifle division, artillery division, two artillery brigades, missile brigade, air assault brigade, special forces brigade, reactive brigade, three communication brigades, separate helicopter regiment, engineer regiment, engineer EW, two engineering brigades. 48th separate army corps.
  14. Nechai
    Nechai 16 December 2012 14: 37
    +2
    Hooked - on all the videos watched and earlier, where the PLA tanks are accurately shooting at targets - the FIRE IS LOCATED. I don’t think that it’s only because of the convenience of filming ... If I were to shoot goals on the go, and even on a maxamalka! Twillers would turn inside out, and they would shoot like that.
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 December 2012 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Nechai
      FIRE LEADS FROM PLACE. I don’t think it’s just because of the convenience of filming ...

      Well, I don’t know, it’s rather difficult to shoot both a shot and a hit with one plan, for example, for Abrams I don’t remember anyone like that, so that I could see and have the opportunity to exclude installation. The work of the stabilizers is clearly visible.

      I’m more interested in why ZPU is still open.
  15. Nechai
    Nechai 16 December 2012 15: 24
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    I don’t know, it’s rather difficult to shoot both a shot and a hit,

    Adrey, but there’s nothing complicated there - they tied the operator with the camera to the stern of the tower - and let him take it off. laughing If the commander in the bastard from the hatch with a TV-camera will stick out and shoot. Not to mention simply, to fasten the TV-camera to the ZPU, setting the frame, and to "record".
    And the little ones have them, well, very cowy. And we shot preparatory exercises at targets reduced by 10-15%. And they corresponded to real probras.
    Quote: Kars
    I’m more interested in why ZPU is still open.

    And besides on our machines, does anyone else use a remote control unit?
  16. Kars
    Kars 16 December 2012 15: 40
    0
    Quote: Nechai
    Adrey, but there’s nothing complicated there - they tied the camera operator to the stern of the tower

    I’m not saying that it’s difficult, but as such I did not see either Leopard or Abrams.
    I also don’t remember the Bastion; later I’ll sit down and watch the videos carefully.
    Quote: Nechai
    Does anyone else use a remote control for ZPU?

    Abrams. The latest model Challenger, Merkava 3 commander machine gun.
    Quote: Nechai
    And the little ones have them, well, very cow

    Well, there’s nothing to say - he didn’t send -99 for export, I did not see him in exhibitions.
    Here is a German target.
    1. bask
      bask 16 December 2012 16: 12
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      Quote: Kars
      Well, there’s nothing to say - he didn’t send -99 for export, I did not see him in exhibitions. Here is a German target.

      Type-99. Designed, as I think for internal use. Like in Israel carrots, and we have T-64. And riveted from narrow-format, already thousands, ekstrimplyar. Several exactly equipped armored divisions are precisely there. Question? The front of their use, only our border. And on the Chinese border we have more than one fully-equipped T90 brigade. What will we fight before the 20th?
      1. Akim
        Akim 16 December 2012 16: 28
        +2
        bask,

        Quite rightly, a non-export tank has something to sell them. To reassure you, it’s worth it not only in Inner Mongolia, but also on the border with India. And in order to be strenuous. At the beginning of this year, the PLA began to receive the ZTZ-99A2 with a mass of 60 tons and a 55-gauge gun
        1. Kars
          Kars 16 December 2012 16: 48
          0
          Quote: Akim
          How is carrot in Israel

          Yereysky is too expensive - they would be happy to attach it somewhere, but the Arab sheikhs are somehow not with their hands))) and who else will buy them?
          Quote: bask
          we have a T-64.

          She was considered a top-secret type, and 72 simplified species were exported.
          Quote: bask
          .And we do not have a single fully-equipped T90 brigade on the Chinese border. What will we fight before the 20th?

          Well, this is not a question for me, but there is the possibility of redeploying units from the same Southern District that are pumping up news over the air.
          Quote: Akim
          ZTZ-99A2
          1. bask
            bask 16 December 2012 18: 58
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            [quote = Kars] Well, this is not a question for me, but there is the possibility of redeploying parts from the same Southern District that they are pumping up over the news. Quote: Akim [/ quote]
            Akim] At the beginning of this year, the PLA began to receive the ZTZ-99A2 with a mass of 60 tons and a gun length of 55 calibers [/ quote]
            16 Chinese tank divisions, fully equipped with Type-99 with the start of small-scale production of Type-99A2. And note, in the whole world there is an MBT with an inhabited tower. Even in the USA there is nothing like Armata, even planned. Although the element base allowed this to be done in the shortest possible time. In my opinion, with these, versatile tank platforms, we are going to a dead end .. This bluffing idea .. It is necessary to renew, on object 640 with modernization of T72B2, with the installation of a tower of type T90-MS on a milestone of OBT. Then our T72 and T80 can at least somehow resist Type99. Which, I think, has two weak sisters, 1 feed with MTO 2 I drive the hemisphere ..
            1. Akim
              Akim 16 December 2012 19: 05
              +1
              But the frontal projection is almost a meter, not counting the DZ.
              1. bask
                bask 16 December 2012 19: 42
                +1
                Doesn’t this remind you of anything? Object 292 Gsh from T-80. Tower shape ... Frontal armor according to Soviet technology, the 70s. I don’t know about DZ. I will repeat again. World trend, build MBT 3+. With inhabited towers. We are wasting our time, uninhabited tower. It is urgent to build MBT, with an inhabited tower. And the prototypes in our sea in Russia.
            2. Kars
              Kars 16 December 2012 22: 08
              +2
              Quote: bask
              And notice, in the whole world there is an MBT with an inhabited tower. Even in the USA there is nothing like Armata

              I see you all the same changed your opinion about habitability not habitability.
              Quote: bask
              Which, I think, has two weak sisters, 1 feed with MTO 2 I drive the hemisphere

              And who has a strong feed place? As for the upper hemisphere, there is nothing special besides DZ.

              KAZ needs to be shared, while the Chinese can get around this.
              1. Kars
                Kars 17 December 2012 14: 30
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              2. bask
                bask 17 December 2012 15: 01
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                Quote: Kars
                I see you all the same changed your opinion about habitability not habitability.

                Always been an opponent of uninhabited towers. Almost my komenty. And questions to you ,,, .. If you shy away from an RPG on the instruments of an uninhabited tower ,,,? Apparently only the front hemisphere ..... ,, At the English tower with ,, Challenger- 2., I think the optimal solution has been found.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 17 December 2012 16: 53
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                  Quote: bask
                  Always been an opponent of uninhabited towers

                  Really? With whom am I confusing you then.
                  Quote: bask
                  If you shy away from the RPG on the instruments of an uninhabited tower ,,,?

                  And inhabited? Triplexes are also butts, everything is reserved.
                  Quote: bask
                  The British tower with, Challenger-2, I think the optimal solution is found.

                  I shouldn’t argue with that.
                  Quote: bask
                  ((SPG ,, Peony

                  Not too much, BK will be scanty, 155 is probably the limit.
                  1. bask
                    bask 17 December 2012 17: 23
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                    Quote: Kars
                    Not too much, BK will be scanty, 155 is probably the limit.

                    Then there remains only Object 640, Black Eagle ,,, I wrote a post about it. If something is not on paper, which we don’t know about ... There is nothing more to confront with the Type-99A2 ...
              3. bask
                bask 17 December 2012 15: 28
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                Quote: Kars
                KAZ needs to be shared, while the Chinese can get around this

                And how do you like this option ... Object 216 GS to ((SPG ,, Peony (((((We’ll upgrade, remove all add-ons. MTO in the nose. Exhaust pipe between 1 and 2 rollers. Crew 7 people + ammunition. Load capacity 20 tons. We will modernize the transmission, the inhabited tower. And the cast MBT in 13, and another platform for self-propelled guns, BTRTi, etc.
  17. Akim
    Akim 16 December 2012 15: 50
    +2
    Here are the exercises in the Shinyan okrug, where the journalist says that these tanks performed well.
  18. Nechai
    Nechai 16 December 2012 16: 16
    +5
    Quote: Kars
    Here is a German target.

    Sighting, it looks like a deal. We used a standard tank target (No. 12, if memory serves), for this we attached a paper circle - 40 centimeters in diameter, with a sector drawn corresponding to the central square. Pre-calibrate the sight at a remote point, then at the sighting target. One warm-up and three in the target. The range to it is known. Shooting from a place. Without false modesty, sometimes it was possible to get at least one out of three shells (D = 1800m) and hit the entot circle. And the hansik of 7 shells burned to shoot the gun. According to NATO standards, 2 shells are allocated for defeating one target, we have 3. We usually have one cannon target, rarely the second, About BTUs, RTUs, regiments are out of the question. They have at least 3 for a cannon.
    Quote: Akim
    journalist says these tanks performed well

    It would be strange if she broadcast something else. It’s only we have all kinds of crap, they’re picking out about the army from its various openings and sucking each other out, such as reliable info, huh ...
    This bike was:
    1979 year. The USSR dramatically strengthened its grouping in the MPR. It is clear that there is no PPD, no polygons, etc. NO. And the final regular shooting during the training period must be carried out. Here TB went to this event. As part of regimental training vehicles and an automobile convoy. With l / s, PAKs, tank trucks with water, targets loaded in bodies, lifts, ABEs, ammunition, etc. The battalion commander drives this camp. He doesn't like one place, then another. Finally I found what I was looking for. “The wind is from there. So the direction of fire will be over there! " We settled down and pitched tents. Part of the l / s works in the field - the target environment is also created by the launcher with it. Everything is hop. Night has come. I had to start with night shooting. Well, in the morning we have already shot in the day. And nah hauz. Yeah. Lo and behold, a Chinese border outfit is on the way. They wave - brake the pier. Stopped - what do you want? Their commander, through an interpreter - you are supposedly on the territory of the PRC. And they also staged their exercises with shooting on it! Batey's answer - well and fuli ?! Ayda guys! A wave of hand ... And the column continued to dust. Covering the Chinese border guards with a dusty cloud.
    In '81, we received the T-55 in the MPR. Finding a resource to kapitalki. Cool cars. Of the 2000 tanks that were pumped out of the GDR with fanfare. Sights TShS, KTD-1, ballistic calculator. Lining, breaking of the tower and manhole covers. Surprised at the beginning of the presence on the PU stability, the fifth button, under the right little finger. And when they figured out - THING !!! For moving targets - THAT itself! Yes, and on motionless, but at large angles in the direction of YOUR movement, it is not an unnecessary function to subtract.
    1. Akim
      Akim 16 December 2012 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: Nechai
      It would be strange if she broadcast something else


      And what is wrong with us or with the Americans ?. TV channel "Zvezda" and "Disskaveri" are twin brothers, although they were born in different families.
  19. Nechai
    Nechai 16 December 2012 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    although they were born in different families.

    So the principles are one. In PATRIOTIC channels. At the most liberal, the most cimus is to pour out all domestic shit.
    I made a cue in the thought that the true picture in the official media, all the more negative, DOES NOT APPLY a priori ...
    About the grouping in MPR SA. In 1981, half a hundred and 62k boys replaced the remarkable 72k. With TUSami, pre-chamber engine warm-up. To -20. Twenty seconds of operation of this system and MZN - Start. And no start up of the heater. Lafa !!! Ches word ...