Hypersonic "Dagger" on the Tu-160. Reality or fiction?

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One of the main News The defense theme of 2018 was the entry into service of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia hypersonic complex “Dagger”. Hypersonic aviation the X-47M Dagger complex is based on the Iskander missile system. The complex includes a missile redesigned for aviation applications and a MIG-31 aircraft modernized for its use (MIG-31K modification).


Missile complex "Dagger", placed on the MIG-31K




The emergence of the complex "Dagger" caused a heated debate. First of all, the questions related to the concept of "hypersonic", with respect to the missile complex "Dagger". Usually “hypersonic” is called aircraft that support high speed (above five Mach) on most of the flight path. It uses a hypersonic ramjet engine. An example is the American X-51 prototype rocket.


Experienced hypersonic rocket X-51


Also, the most promising Russian anti-ship Zircon missile is likely to be a classic hypersonic aircraft (reliable data about this missile are not yet available).


India-announced BRAHMOS II rocket demonstrates the most likely appearance of a Zircon hypersonic rocket


Based on this, it is more correct to say that the Dagger missile is aeroballistic, like X-15 missiles, developed by the USSR. On the other hand, the assignment of an aircraft to a hypersonic arms based on the power plant is not a dogma, more importantly, what part of the trajectory is overcome at hypersonic speed. If most of the rocket’s trajectory of the Dagger complex runs at a speed above 5 Max, then the developers' claims for a “hypersound” are well founded.

The second unknown value of the “Dagger” complex is the guidance system in the final segment. If an inertial navigation system (INS), combined with positioning on GLONASS satellites, is quite enough to hit stationary objects, then the stated possibility of hitting mobile ship-like targets raises questions. If the “Dagger” rocket hits the target at hypersonic speed, then the question arises how optical or radar guidance works through a plasma cocoon arising around the rocket when moving at high speeds due to temperature heating. If, on reaching the target, the speed of the rocket is reduced to ensure the operation of the guidance tools, the question arises how vulnerable the Dagger missile becomes for the enemy’s air defense.

On the other hand, if the developer did not go astray, implying that objects immobile near the pier by the defeat of the ships, then perhaps a solution to the problem of the plasma cocoon permeability was found. Perhaps the task of controlling and targeting through the plasma cocoon was solved during the development of the Zircon hypersonic rocket, and its solution was used to create the Dagger rocket.

According to some information, the Dagger rocket is equipped with an optical homing device at the final segment with a resolution of one meter. In this case, the question arises, what channels are used in the optical GOS - the visible range, thermal, or a combination of them.

The flight time of the Dagger rocket, when launched from a distance of 1000 km and an average flight speed of 5 Max, will be approximately 10 minutes. If we assume that the target designation was issued at the time of launch, during this time the ship can move a maximum of 10 km., I.e. the search area will be a circle with a diameter of 20 km. If the target speed is less, or the rocket is not detected immediately, but at a distance, for example, 500 km, the search zone will decrease to 8-10 km. If the average speed of the Dagger rocket is higher than five Mach, the target search zone will be further reduced.

Regardless of whether the Dagger rocket is completely hypersonic, and whether it is capable of hitting mobile targets, it is safe to say that the Dagger complex, like its ground prototype of the Iskander complex, is formidable and effective weapons, at least to destroy stationary ground targets. Of the advantages relative to the existing air-based cruise missiles, the time required for hitting a target can be called significantly less due to the high speed of the Dagger missile.

The first carrier of the Dagger missile was the upgraded MiG-31K interceptor. To reduce the weight of the MiG-31K dismantled part of the equipment, including a radar station. The plane carries one rocket complex "Dagger". Due to the dismantling of the equipment, the use of the MIG-31K, which has been upgraded to Dagger, as an interceptor, becomes impossible.

How expedient such castling is in case of a shortage of fighters and interceptors in Russia is a difficult question. Perhaps the leadership of the armed forces is so confident in the effectiveness of the Dagger complex that it is ready to sacrifice part of the interceptors for this. At the moment, ten MIG-31K are on duty in the Southern Military District. The exact number of interceptors planned for modernization is unknown, the figures were called up to 100 pcs. If this figure is recruited by aircraft from storage (the order is about 250 units MIG-31), then this will be a good solution, but if MIG-31 airplanes currently used as interceptors are converted, then the last armed forces will hardly remain .

In my opinion, MIG-31 is interesting primarily as an interceptor. In the near future, many high-speed high-altitude targets, including hypersonic missiles of a potential enemy, may appear. By upgrading the MIG-31 radar with an active phased array antenna (AFAR) and the corresponding weapons, you can get a complex that can deal with such threats on long-distance approaches.

Another promising carrier of the Dagger complex missiles is the upgraded supersonic bomber-missile carrier Tu-22М3М.


Roll-out of the first upgraded bomber missile-carrier Tu-22М3М


According to media reports, it is planned to deploy up to four Dagger missiles on it. The maximum combat load of the Tu-22М3М is 24 tons. The armament of the Tu-22М3 with three X-22 missiles weighing approximately six tons each was considered to be loading "into overload", which was reflected in a decrease in the range and speed of flight. Similarly, the suspension of the four missiles of the Dagger complex is likely to affect the flight characteristics of the Tu-22М3М, and to obtain the maximum range, the missile carrier bomber will be armed with two missiles.

It should be noted that the use of the Tu-22М3М bomber-carrier bomber is more expedient than the MIG-31K, since in this case the armed forces do not lose the interceptors that the country needs and the combat load of the aircraft + missile complex significantly increase. Up to 2020, the TU-22М3М version is planned to upgrade thirty missile-carrying bombers.

Can the Dagger complex be adapted for other carriers? It will be possible to consider the option of equipping the "Dagger" of Sukhoi aircraft, for example, Su-30, Su-34 or Su-35. However, this is hardly an effective solution. With all its merits, a fighter will be able to carry a maximum of one rocket, while completely losing its maneuverability characteristics. It is better to direct their modernization towards equipping radar with AFAR and modern air-to-air missiles. The resource of the Su-24 front-line bombers is coming to an end, and it hardly makes sense to equip them with such modern weapons.

Thus, only strategic missile carrier bombers Tu-95MS / MSM and Tu-160М remain as candidates for modernization.

It can be argued that these machines are an integral part of the nuclear triad, and it is not expedient to “divert” them to other tasks. It must be admitted that the role of rocket-carrying bombers in the nuclear triad is minimal. Airplanes dispersed at the aerodrome represent an excellent target for both nuclear and conventional weapons. The only way to keep the aviation component of the nuclear triad in the event of a sudden strike is to keep the aircraft in 10-15 ready for launch at the start, or even better on duty in the air. But no one will do this because of the huge cost of each flight hour and the rapid wear of the “strategists” resource.

Moreover, even during a local conflict in Syria, strategic bombers were occasionally recruited. Of course, the goal was rather a demonstration of weapons, and advanced training of pilots, but the fact remains. And the presence of non-nuclear long-range cruise missiles such as X-95 and X-160 in the arsenal of the Tu-555MS / MSM and Tu-101М clearly indicates the possibility of their use in non-nuclear conflicts. In the event of a local conflict with a technically advanced adversary, the capabilities of strategic aviation will be very helpful.

It can be concluded that the use of strategic bomber-rocket carriers in local conflicts is fully justified. And it’s stupid to let such firepower stand idle, waiting for a nuclear apocalypse, when local wars are going on right now, and the losses in them are quite real.

We return directly to the aircraft. At present, the 46 Tu-95MS and 14 Tu-95MSМ are in service with the VKS of Russia. The modification of the Tu-95K-22, removed from service, could carry three X-22 missiles, two on the external sling and one in a semi-submerged state in the fuselage. Like the Tu-22М3, the loading of three missiles exceeds the mass of the normal combat load of the Tu-95 and reduces the radius of the aircraft. The mass of the X-22 rocket exceeds the mass of the Dagger rocket, i.e. theoretically, it turns out that such a modernization is possible.

Hypersonic "Dagger" on the Tu-160. Reality or fiction?

Missiles X-22 on the Tu-95K-22


On the other hand, the height and speed of the Tu-95MS / MSM are significantly inferior to the capabilities of the MiG-31K and Tu-22М3М aircraft. If there is a certain minimum threshold for the height and speed of the carrier required for launching the Dagger rocket and the missile’s achievement of the declared characteristics, and the flight data of the Tu-95MS / MSM do not meet these requirements, then placing the Dagger rocket on this aircraft becomes impossible . Otherwise, everything depends on the complexity and cost of such an upgrade, i.e. cost / effectiveness criterion. It is necessary to take into account that, taking into account the low speed of the Tu-95MS / MSM, the total time for performing the combat task with the aircraft + missile complex will increase markedly, while the huge EPR of the Tu-95MS / MSM glider will make it easy prey for the aircraft of the likely enemy.

Only one candidate remains - the strategic bomber-missile carrier Tu-160М / М2. The VKS of Russia is armed with the 17 Tu-160, all airplanes are planned to be upgraded to the Tu-160M version. It is also planned to build another 50 aircraft modification Tu-160М2.


Strategic bomber bomber Tu-160



Rolling out the first prototype of the Tu-160, built after the resumption of production at the Kazan Aviation Plant


The height and speed of the Tu-160М / М2 are comparable with those of the MIG-31K and Tu-22М3М. At the same time, the range and combat load are much larger.

Excerpt from the flight characteristics of the Tu-160:

Air defense breakthrough at speed:
- high altitude (Hi) - 1,9М;
- at low altitude (Lo) with automatic rounding of the terrain - to 1 M.
The ceiling is practical - 15000 m (18000 m according to other data).
Flight range (without refueling):
- Hi-Hi-Hi mode, speed <1M, PN weight 9000 kg - 14000-16000 km;
- Hi-Lo-Hi mode (including 2000 km at an altitude of 50-200 m) or at a speed> 1M - 12000-13000 km;
- Hi-Hi-Hi mode, mass MON 22400 kg with maximum take-off weight - 12300 km;
- with maximum payload - 10500 km.
The range of a single refueling mode Lo-Lo-Lo or Hi-Lo-Hi - 7300 km;
The radius of action at cruising speed 1,5M, without refueling - 2000 km.

From the above characteristics it can be seen that the capabilities of the Tu-160М / М2 allow to realize the most diverse scenarios of its use when departing from the Engels airbase (Saratov region).

With the fastest possible exit to the target with a cruising speed of 1,5М, the total damage radius of the Dagger complex will be 3000-3500 km. This mode will provide the minimum response time to the threat and allow you to act in the interests of the three fleets. The maximum time from the moment of take-off (without taking into account the time the aircraft was prepared for departure), until the target is hit at a distance of 3000-3500 km, in this mode will be approximately 2-2,5 hours.


The approximate radius of destruction of targets by the Dagger missile when placed on a Tu-160М / М2. Reaching the launch line at 1,5M speed


In the most economical mode, when flying at subsonic speeds at high altitude, the radius of impact will be 7000-7500 km. This mode allows you to use the Tu-160М / М2 with the Dagger complex in the interests of all four fleets.


The approximate radius of destruction of targets by the "Dagger" missile system when placed on the Tu-160M ​​/ M2. Entering the launch line at a speed <1M, at a high altitude.


When using refueling in the air, the range of the Tu-160М / М2 + Dagger ligament will significantly increase.
Thus, the use of the Dagger complex as part of the Tu-160M ​​/ M2 aircraft will create a threat fleets and ground bases of a potential enemy at a great distance from the borders of the Russian Federation. A significant radius of action allows you to build a flight route Tu-160M ​​/ M2 bypassing the air defense zones and enemy fighter aircraft.

How difficult is the integration of the Dagger complex with the Tu-160М / М2 technically? The currently used armament of the Tu-160М / М2 is smaller and lighter than the Dagger missiles. Theoretically, the size of the weapons bay allows 3-4 missiles of the Dagger complex to be placed, but the question of compatibility with the MKU-6-5U drum launcher remains. If the dismantling or substantial modernization of the launcher is required, the expediency of integrating the Dagger complex may be in question.

Another factor against the integration of the Dagger and the Tu-160М / М2 is the potentially quick adoption (hopefully) of the Zircon hypersonic missile. Perhaps the tactical and technical characteristics will make it more attractive for integration with the Tu-160М / М2, rather than the integration of the complex "Dagger". If the declared possibility of launching a Zircon rocket from typical DPS is real, then its weight and size characteristics should be comparable to the Caliber missiles (diameter 533 mm) and X-101 / 102 (diameter 740 mm), which will allow placing them six units in one compartment of weapons Tu-160М / М2, full ammunition will be twelve Zircon missiles.

On the other hand, the cost of the Zircon and Dagger missiles must also be taken into account. If the Zirkon missiles are "golden", then it will not allow them to be in service in large numbers, while the Dagger missile must be comparable in value to the Iskander missile, which is mass-produced. The ammunition of the Dagger missiles on the Tu-160M / M will most likely be no more than six units.

Still remains the issue of targeting. In the absence of effective means of external targeting, the development of any weapon systems intended for use outside the detection zone of the carrier’s reconnaissance means is meaningless. This is equally true for the VKS, for the Navy, and for the ground forces.

It remains in question the effectiveness of the complex "Dagger" on a moving target. In order to dispel doubts, the armed forces could conduct a demonstration of the Dagger tests on a decommissioned ship. I don’t think that such a demonstration can reveal some global secrets, but doubts about the effectiveness of the Dagger complex in many respects.

For the Russian Navy, it is not the first time to use strategic bomber class aircraft for solving their tasks. Apart from the above-mentioned Tu-95K-22, it was actively used, and the long-range anti-submarine aircraft Tu-142, based on the Tu-95, is in service until now. Currently, the Russian Navy is armed with 12 Tu-142MK / MH (anti-submarine version) and 10 Tu-142МР (airplane repeater). At the same time, all Tu-22М3 aircraft were withdrawn from the Navy and transferred to the Russian Federation Air Force.

It is possible that, taking into account the construction of a large series of Tu-160М2 (50 units), it is advisable to use some of them in the interests of the Navy. If the integration of the Dagger complex does not require significant modifications of the Tu-160М / М2, then all airplanes can be adapted for its use: both modernized and newly built.
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  1. +1
    14 February 2019 07: 19
    All the same, the Tu-160 is a strategist. And the range of the Dagger does not allow him to approach his opponent safely. The Americans are not as stupid as they are on Ren-tv. In this light, it is still more profitable to use the modified Tu-22, and to equip Lebed with the promising Zircon.
    1. 0
      14 February 2019 09: 59
      as far as I remember, if there were even mention of zircon, it was only in conjunction with the installation on ships and submarines, but not on planes that would require their modernization, it is another matter if the developers develop them for all military branches.
    2. -1
      14 February 2019 13: 24
      Quote: Magic Archer
      .A range of the Dagger does not allow him to safely approach the enemy.

      Dagger range declared by 2000 km for stationary targets.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      and equip Cygnus with promising Zircon.

      What hangover, RCC Zircon suddenly you have become air-based?
      1. 0
        14 February 2019 21: 23
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Magic Archer
        .A range of the Dagger does not allow him to safely approach the enemy.

        Dagger range declared by 2000 km for stationary targets.
        Quote: Magic Archer
        and equip Cygnus with promising Zircon.

        What hangover, RCC Zircon suddenly you have become air-based?

        Zircon is a universal GZUR weighing 1500 kg, like the Kyrgyz Caliber, including air-based ones. It was also tested with the Tu-22M3.
        1. 0
          17 February 2019 11: 53
          Who and when tested it on tu22m3? Where does this information come from?
      2. -3
        April 6 2019 12: 02
        A dagger is a current Iskander on an airplane. What is Iskander’s range? Is it 2000 km ?????)))))))
    3. +2
      14 February 2019 19: 23
      The whole article is a fortune telling on the coffee grounds. While there is no accurate data to talk about. So you can guess. that 100 is reanimated.
      1. -1
        17 February 2019 13: 41
        Quote: Oden280
        The whole article is a fortune telling on the coffee grounds. While there is no accurate data to talk about. So you can guess. that 100 is reanimated.


        Any analytics is "guessing on the coffee grounds", in one sense or another - assumptions based on known information, but there is information and unknown? And it can be interpreted incorrectly. But is it interesting to guess?
        1. +1
          17 February 2019 18: 46
          Analytics differs from fortune telling in that it is based on facts and data. And for the wrong interpretation can be answered, including the head.
          1. -1
            17 February 2019 22: 05
            Quote: Oden280
            Analytics differs from fortune telling in that it is based on facts and data. And for the wrong interpretation can be answered, including the head.


            Then the analysts' assessments should contain specific comments or suggestions, and not general phrases like "this is all bullshit", "I disagree", etc. etc.

            Simply, there is such a type of commentators, they disagree with everything, in principle ...
            Below are yours:

            Judging by your comments, the tanks were seen only in the movies and in the pictures. Chatting in the tank is much less than in any car, and people manage to hunt with them.


            Dear go learn the mat part, in particular the BK10T collimator sight (1P66) for the NSV-12.7 anti-aircraft gun. And learn UUS-6,7 from the course of shooting.


            I have always been amazed by the infantile most of our population. Syndrome Emeli-fool, sit on the stove and wait for miracles. Do not like power - so go to this power and make it better. And so all these cries look like yawns mongrels in the doorway.


            You are with us. What are the developer SJK? Or do you have access to real TTH complexes? And certainly consider yourself smarter than all of our Navy headquarters.


            I simply explain to the schoolboy what European missile defense is and why mattresses will not remove it.


            Apparently you are still a schoolboy, and you don’t know and understand anything about the war.
            1. 0
              18 February 2019 13: 55
              I write when I do not agree with something. And what does analytics have to do with it? In three lines, it is never possible to draw an analytical conclusion. But this is in every way better than smearing the mucus on paper and calling it analytics.
    4. 0
      16 February 2019 19: 05
      just a little less than 1500 km of the range of the Dagger does not allow him to safely approach the targets? Really?
  2. +1
    14 February 2019 07: 28
    Theoretically, the size of the weapons compartment allows you to place 3-4 missiles of the Dagger complex, but the question remains of compatibility with the MKU-6-5U drum launcher.

    A drum set may not be necessary at all. Sequential missile drop and air launch, as on the MiG-31. For 2-x-4 rockets is quite normal.
  3. +10
    14 February 2019 07: 46
    30 modernized Tu22M3M by 2020 is a bullshit. No, this is another bullshit
    1. FID
      +8
      14 February 2019 14: 58
      Completely...!
      1. 0
        17 February 2019 11: 56
        This is a thousandfold bullshit !!!! However, like 50 tu160m2, this fairy tale is even finer
        1. 0
          17 February 2019 13: 43
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          But like 50 tu160m2, this tale is even worse


          Unfortunately, this is most likely the case, even though 15 would do it. Very much they are expensive.

          On the other hand, if the plant does not lose its competence and restore production, this is already a lot. Perhaps there is no point 50 pcs. If PAK YES can develop.
  4. -4
    14 February 2019 08: 02
    Typically, “hypersonic” is called aircraft that maintain high speed (above five Mach) on most of the flight path. In this case, a hypersonic ramjet engine is used. An example is the American experimental rocket X-51.

    Tops a question.
    Let the enemies argue whether the Dagger is hypersonic or not. He should simply deliver his "parcel" as quickly and accurately as possible to the "addressee". The rest is just a dispute about nothing. request
    The flight time of the Dagger complex rocket, when launched from a distance of 1000 km and an average flight speed of 5 Mach, will be approximately 10 minutes. If we assume that the target designation was issued at the time of launch, then during this time the ship can move a maximum of 10 km., I.e. the search area will be a circle with a diameter of 20 km.

    There is no particular need to launch the Dagger from max range. Shipborne air defense systems "see" no further than, like, 500 km. Therefore, the launch can be done closer, which reduces the target's escape circle and the rocket arrival time. IMHO. what
    1. +3
      14 February 2019 08: 41
      Quote: K-50
      There is no particular need to launch the Dagger from max range. Shipborne air defense systems "see" no further than, like, 500 km. Therefore, the launch can be done closer, which reduces the target's escape circle and the rocket arrival time. IMHO. what


      If this is an AUG, then above it two AWACS planes draw and the range of air cover, taking into account their trajectory and radar, can be just 1000 km. They will notice - they will send the duty unit, they will announce the alarm. All the same, both the Tu-22M3M and the Tu-160M ​​are large aircraft - noticeable. And the Dagger-a rocket is smaller, as if with elements of stealth.

      And on the KUG without aviation cover, you can probably run closer as well.
      1. 0
        14 February 2019 10: 02
        Do you take into account the range of carrier-based fighters? Or, according to your F-18, "just there," and back, how will it turn out?
        And the main thing is time. For example, the Tu-22m3m, approaching the expected detection radius, develops the speed to maximum, launches the "Daggers" and already empty it selects the remainder to the maximum 2300 and carries away its legs. While your F-18 needs time to take off and do not forget that the American fighters will have to reduce the distance to Tu-shki with a load of missiles and despite the fact that the speed of an empty F is less than that of the Tu-22m3m, but here they are generally will be hung with at least a couple of missiles and, accordingly, they will also lose nodes. And the Daggers are on their way.
        1. +1
          14 February 2019 10: 07
          Quote: Oleg Kolsky 051
          Do you take into account the range of carrier-based fighters? Or, according to your F-18, "just there," and back, how will it turn out?
          And the main thing is time. For example, the Tu-22m3m, approaching the expected detection radius, develops the speed to maximum, launches the "Daggers" and already empty it selects the remainder to the maximum 2300 and carries away its legs. While your F-18 needs time to take off and do not forget that the American fighters will have to reduce the distance to Tu-shki with a load of missiles and despite the fact that the speed of an empty F is less than that of the Tu-22m3m, but here they are generally will be hung with at least a couple of missiles and, accordingly, they will also lose nodes. And the Daggers are on their way.


          Maybe. Here it is already necessary to look in detail on the patrol zones around the AUG, the speed and altitude profile of the flight of the bombers, etc.
          1. 0
            14 February 2019 10: 30
            Good morning.
            I looked in the internet and it turns out that the longest-range air-to-air missile on the F18 is up to 180 km. It turns out that in order to launch it, it is necessary to reduce the distance to Carcass by about 80 km. Otherwise, the Tu22m3m will have time to screw up at the maximum beyond the affected area.
        2. +4
          14 February 2019 10: 24
          Have you heard that deck aircraft can refuel?
          but any blow to the AUG begins with its detection and tracking of it and all the space around it until the missiles are launched, otherwise they will go into milk.
          and this is not taking into account the fact that the Dagger is not RCC.
          1. -1
            14 February 2019 10: 47
            Only a limited circle of people know what "Dagger" is, and your categorical statements clearly do not have any confirmation. In your understanding, the USA is not a vulnerable value, but in reality it is a completely destructible unit.
            1. +1
              14 February 2019 10: 57
              Well, you, not knowing the capabilities of the Dagger, are planning any actions?
              because ignorance does not bother you?
              and I just act according to the old principle of Occam. Proceed from an anecdote in which the question "can you play the violin?" answer "I do not know, did not try" I consider it incorrect.
              not to mention that you read only the last line of my post, ignoring everything else.
              The United States, in your understanding, is not a vulnerable quantity, but in reality a completely destructible unit.

              But this is generally some kind of nonsense, where did you read this in my post?
              hi
              1. -1
                14 February 2019 11: 14
                You are generally right, here we are engaged in idle chatter, based on our views, having before our eyes just an article. And having no data other than a picture on the monitor. That's why I wrote about your categorical statement.
                About the USA, I just remembered your posts under the previous articles on this resource and I got the impression that for you the USA is an icon, and "it is right, even if not right." And for me, the United States is a mortal enemy and target. That is why I expressed myself so categorically.
                1. +2
                  14 February 2019 12: 00
                  you have the wrong opinion.
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          2. +1
            14 February 2019 15: 50
            Quote: Avior
            Have you heard that deck aircraft can refuel?
            but any blow to the AUG begins with its detection and tracking of it and all the space around it until the missiles are launched, otherwise they will go into milk.


            I am still tormented by vague doubts - do you still think that the carcasses are like that with a bare heel on a saber? Well, that is, without fighter cover they will go for such an operation. tyuyuyuuu ....
            1. 0
              14 February 2019 21: 07
              why are they needed if they act on the range of a fighter?
              But what about the intelligence of the situation?
              Or do you think that if you let it go "in that direction" then you will get somewhere?
        3. -2
          14 February 2019 14: 09
          But why raise deck aircraft, the AUG order has a very powerful cover, the Ticonderogs and Arly Burki, and this does not include the NATO fleet with allies. And the ship's air defense systems are the latest standard models with a range of more than 350 km and European Asters. By the way, I advise you to look at the composition of the order, and most importantly According to the most conservative estimates, without the use of satellite and ground-based air forces (such as the E-3 Sentry, etc.), the order controls all airspace and near space with a radius of up to 1500 km and a height of up to 500-600 km. and one dagger here is not right GSI.
  5. -1
    14 February 2019 08: 20
    It is unlikely that he can work on moving targets ... Here, like the base iskander, where the possibility of the destruction of stationary naval targets is declared
  6. -1
    14 February 2019 08: 21
    Foreign intelligence is very interested, how is the dagger pointed at the last mile !!! Even here they asked, and more than once ... I think we will tolerate, although we are also interested ...;)
  7. +2
    14 February 2019 11: 21
    The most powerful strike weapon of the "partner" is the AUG. Does everyone really think that the blow to Avik will be conventional? Only special warheads. And in conjunction with all the other elements of the triad. But on KUG without avik, it is more likely to work. Against less powerful opponents. But there the enemy has fewer opportunities to counter.
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 10: 47
      ACG are not included in the potential of the first strike. The greatest threat is the USS and some NATO countries. The list of targets on enemy territory subject to priority destruction by a nuclear strike has long been worked out by the General Staff and the command of the Air Forces, Strategic Missile Forces. It is unlikely that after him there will be someone to search for and find groups of ships. If they themselves will survive. Everywhere there will be chaos, collapse, ecological catastrophe on a planetary scale.
      1. 0
        15 February 2019 10: 51
        So I said that. The war with the owners of AUG will be on the principle of all or nothing. And there the special bch rule. A dagger is not needed there. With all the estimates, it will fly by.
  8. +1
    14 February 2019 11: 41
    Typically, “hypersonic” is called aircraft that maintain high speed (above five Mach) on most of the flight path.
    This definition is clearly not enough. By hypersonic, one must understand missiles that can not only fly at a speed of at least 5M most of the flight, while maneuvering, but also hit the target at that speed. What matters is speed in the target area !!! Because if the missile’s speed in the target area is lower, then it will be easy to bring down. And there will be no sense in the fact that it flies quickly in the middle section.
    Due to the dismantling of equipment, the use of a MIG-31K upgraded as a “Dagger” as an interceptor becomes impossible.
    Who said that? No one said that some equipment was removed from the MiG-31K. It is likely that he can use the RVV with the Dagger.
    1. +6
      14 February 2019 16: 16
      Tektor
      I'll correct you a little .. When upgrading the MiG 31 to the "K" modification, that's right, the radar remained in place (with changes) ... But the standard pylons and the AKU were removed ... And they can be returned to their place only at the factory (especially the AKU) .. And other suspension options cannot be used ...
      And they are still upgraded to "K" in the area of ​​10 boards, and that's it ....
      1. 0
        14 February 2019 16: 53
        Quote: NN52
        Tektor I will correct you a little .. When upgrading the MiG 31 to the "K" modification, that's right, the radar remained in place (with changes) ... But the standard pylons and the AKU were removed ... And they can be returned to their place only at the factory (especially the AKU ) .. And other suspension options cannot be used ...


        According to the radar - perhaps it remained, information on dismantling was taken from: https://topwar.ru/141920-mig-31k-minoborony-modernizirovalo-nositel-kompleksa-kinzhal.html
        and flashed in several sources, maybe someone messed up something

        Quote: NN52
        Tektor AND they are STILL upgrading to "K" in the area of ​​10 boards, and that's it ....

        Well, for the better, it's better if the Tu-22М3М are involved in this business.
        1. +2
          16 February 2019 09: 16
          Without a radar, the centering will leave back, there is a chance to land aft already on the ground.
  9. +4
    14 February 2019 13: 19
    ... attributing an aircraft to hypersonic weapons based on a power plant (!) is not a dogma.
    Exactly ! good
    ... what part of the trajectory is overcome at hypersonic speed is important!
    Right! And therefore: If most of the trajectory of the Dagger complex rocket passes at speeds above 5 Max, then claims of developers to "hypersound" are quite justified.
    Here, in my opinion, it should be noted that a significant part of the flight trajectory can (!) Occur at a speed less than "hypersonic", provided that the target is hit on the "hypersonic" segment of the flight trajectory!
    The use of the "Dagger" on the Tu-160 is possible, but "not very useful" ... it makes sense to "speculate" about the use of the "Dagger-160" with the Tu-2! That is, a modified (two-stage!) Rocket. Moreover, the first stage can be "direct-flow rocket"! But why, exactly, "Dagger", when "on hearing" (and maybe really - "on the way" ...) "Zircon"? request Maybe "Dagger" is conceived as a temporary ("intermediate") ,, argument ,,? With the emergence and development of "Zircon", the accent of "Kuzka's mother" will shift closer to hypersonic RC? I have already said that "hypersonic" is a weapon that retains "hypersound": 1. on the entire flight path; 2. at the target hitting distance (less than the maximum flight trajectory ...) ... Moreover, this "distance" can be: a) completely on the "hypersound"; b) "hypersound" is created before "contact" with the target. Hence, the "Zircon" can be equipped with an additional (for example, a rocket ...) stage to increase the range, providing the "Zircon" with an "initial" section of the trajectory from "to hypersonic" speed ... (as it were, "disguise", under the Caliber ,, ... X-101 ...). Approximately the same, maybe the two-stage "Dagger-2" ... On the hypersound "Dagger-2": a) overcomes the section (middle-final, final .. .), on which the missile is most vulnerable; b) hits the target ...
    One of the main points is guidance (homing) before "contact" with the target: if there is still no full "solution", then "quasi-solutions" are possible (similar to those used in anti-missile missile defense systems (they, by and large ", are known ...). It is possible that you can try some principles of" network-centric "systems ... this is not easy ... it complicates the application scheme, from which there may be limitations, but it is possible. For some reasons, I would I didn't want to talk about this idea now ... (especially since there are "versions" (2-3), but the "priority" is not defined)
    PS Recently they started talking about the optical, thermal seeker of the "Dagger" ... is it possible to find signs of these seeker on those "images" that are? Doesn't plasma create obstacles for the normal functioning of these systems too? belay
    1. +1
      15 February 2019 10: 39
      why fantasize. If we are talking about changing the design of the rocket, then the use of rocket engines with liquid propellants or solid propellant rocket engines as stage 2 will lead to such a change in the mass geometric characteristics that will make it impossible to use them from aircraft. The rockets will get big and heavy. They are called "fools" in aviation.
      1. 0
        16 February 2019 13: 14
        "They stretch their legs over their clothes" ... "Dagger" may not get sufficient acceleration speed (which it gets with the help of the MiG-31 ...) on the Tu-160 and, moreover, on the PAK YES ... for which it will have to add a "step" ... but then the hypothetical "Dagger-2" will "fit" on the Tu-160, PAK YES (maybe on the Tu-22M3 ...), but will not fit on the MiG-31. To each his own ! And about the "fool" ... well, here, as in the joke: "The fool is not a fool, but I have a thousand" greens "a week!" ...
        1. 0
          17 February 2019 22: 45
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          "They stretch their legs over their clothes" ... "Dagger" may not get sufficient acceleration speed (which it gets with the help of the MiG-31 ...) on the Tu-160 and, moreover, on the PAK YES ... for which it will have to add a "step" ... but then the hypothetical "Dagger-2" will "fit" on the Tu-160, PAK YES (maybe on the Tu-22M3 ...), but will not fit on the MiG-31. To each his own ! And about the "fool" ... well, here, as in the joke: "The fool is not a fool, but I have a thousand" greens "a week!" ...


          So about the installation of "Dagger" on the Tu-22M3M is already openly discussed, so its parameters are sufficient. They are no worse for the Tu-160.
  10. -1
    14 February 2019 15: 51
    and here again another article spoiled - targeting
    MKRTS Liana deployed on 200% (4 KA), it is planned to increase the stability to 400% (8 KA)
    * now not analog 80
    1. +2
      14 February 2019 16: 57
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      and here again another article spoiled - targeting
      MKRTS Liana deployed on 200% (4 KA), it is planned to increase the stability to 400% (8 KA)
      * now not analog 80


      And how can two satellites cover the entire surface of the ocean? It turns out there will be gaps in time for exploration and target designation. In addition to the system Liana includes two types of satellites active with radar and passive radio intelligence. If the 4 satellite is displayed, what modification?
      1. +1
        14 February 2019 20: 10
        And how can two satellites cover the entire surface of the ocean? It turns out there will be time gaps in reconnaissance and target designation

        Have you seen the Bentley ad on the bridge (?) The principle of the satellites is exactly the same (!) You just have different views


        1 KA sees exactly half a ball and also writes so that later in case of a case it should be rewound and brought closer.
        1. +1
          14 February 2019 22: 49
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          You just have other ideas.

          1 KA sees exactly half a ball and also writes so that later in case of a case it should be rewound and brought closer.


          But they do not hang in geostationary orbit.
          According to various data, the orbit of the satellites of the Liana system is at an altitude from 500 to 1000 km.
          And this is a completely different review.
        2. +2
          15 February 2019 00: 27
          The picture is wrong. it is a communications satellite.
          reconnaissance satellite scans completely differently.
  11. -2
    14 February 2019 20: 43
    Well, for example, a MiG-31 with a dagger based in West Africa will be able to hit a target in the Caribbean? Or is it too far? If it gets really hot in Venezuela so that the guys can cover ...
    1. +2
      15 February 2019 10: 31
      Zhenya! You are not crazy. What should we do in West Africa and what goals should be hit in the Caribbean. why do our guys lay their heads in Venezuela?
      1. -1
        15 February 2019 10: 51
        The goals are the ships of the US Air Force.

        For all of us to be alive and healthy and we need a deterrent in the form of anti-ship long-range missiles.

        Do not agree with me?
        1. 0
          15 February 2019 13: 56
          Zhenya! You are not a dreamer, but an amateur. You should deal with the classification of missiles, their design and performance characteristics, and even better, do not bother yourself and study the issues raised on the site, in relation to your education.
          1. 0
            15 February 2019 15: 35
            Yes, I am an economist by education. For my career on this site, I am unlikely to be able to grasp something. Except Fighting Spirit!
  12. -1
    14 February 2019 22: 27
    Quote: Author
    The approximate radius of destruction of targets by the "Dagger" missile system when placed on the Tu-160M ​​/ M2. Entering the launch line at a speed <1M, at a high altitude.

    Yes TU 160 just banged
    Layout of radar and air defense systems in NATO countries (colored triangles - air defense systems, other figures - radar) / S. Linnik

    sorry for the caaclysm, but we look only at aviation


    Number of airfields in Russia:
    There are fewer airports throughout Russia than in Alaska alone

    +


    Quote: Author
    Typically, “hypersonic” is called aircraft that maintain high speed (above five Mach) on most of the flight path. This uses a hypersonic ramjet engine

    do not care which engine, although magnetically hydrodynamic, can without it
    Most importantly, that would be below 100km (atmosphere and sound)
    aircraft capable of flying in the atmosphere with hypersonic speed (greater than or equal to 5M;) and maneuver using aerodynamic forces.
    1. +2
      14 February 2019 22: 47
      NATO is not as united as it seems. In a war, Russia is all NATO, the use of nuclear weapons is inevitable. But there are few fools to fight for other people's interests. Have not watched the series "Game of Thrones", in the first season they ask the question, which is more than 5 or 1? and the answer is splayed fingers - 5 / fist - 1, which is stronger? There are many scenarios when the adversary of the Russian Federation may be one, or two, perhaps with implicit assistance, in the form of information support, and / or supplies, but NATO will not directly "fit in" for him.
      If we take the entire European Union, then its economic potential is 1 in the world, but for some reason the dollar dominates. And in military terms, the entire European Union half of the United States is not worth it.
      1. +3
        14 February 2019 23: 19
        Quote: AVM

        NATO is not as united as it seems.

        Does this value / role play to
        Quote: Author

        The approximate radius of destruction of targets by the Dagger missile when placed on a Tu-160М / М2. Reaching the launch line at speed

        ?
        no
        Quote: AVM
        use of nuclear weapons is inevitable.

        doubt it.
        Do you know AT LEAST one US senator / congressman / civil servant who has real estate "abroad", not in the Russian Federation, but, for example, in the Code Divoir? Zanzibar?
        And the members of the European Parliament, having there?
        And the members of the Bundestag / Parliament of France / Knesset?
        I don’t remember something
        Ferrari, Tesla, Maybach, Bentley cars, almost two dozen Russian cars, 11 motorcycles, a helicopter and real estate in Spain, Italy, France and Switzerland were indicated by representatives of the Russian Cabinet and their families in declarations for 2016.

        First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, who indicated the amount of 71,8 million rubles as income, wrote in a declaration, hhe rents an apartment in the UK with an area of ​​483 square meters and a residential building in Austria with an area of ​​about one and a half thousand square meters. Shuvalov jointly with his wife had three cars - Jaguar, VAZ and ZIL.

        Spouse of the Minister of Telecom and Mass Communications Nikolay Nikiforov, according to the declaration owns, in particular, the Tesla electric car, and one of his daughters has an apartment in Spain for free.

        Vice Prime Minister Olga Golodets reported half the share in ownership of a 220 square meter apartment building in Switzerland; and a third share in ownership of a 250 square meter apartment in Italy.

        Most of all Central Bank employees for 2017 g. earned first deputy chairman Sergey Shvetsov. He declared income of 88,6 million rubles. - almost three times more than in 2016, when he earned 30,6 million rubles. Shvetsov owns a land plot and a guest house, an apartment and a share in another apartment in Russia, an apartment in Spain, as well as a house in the USA, follows from the documentspublished on Friday on the website of the Central Bank.

        etc
        And this is only OFFICIAL.
        Are you Andrei so naive that THEY will deliver a nuclear strike to their homes?
        Do not make me laugh.
        They will surrender us, sequestrate up to 15-20 million of the able-bodied, and fade
        Quote: AVM
        Have not watched the TV series "Game of Thrones"

        No, I’m re-reading Rakitin for the second time, interestingly
        Quote: AVM
        If we take the entire European Union, then its economic potential is 1 in the world, but for some reason the dollar dominates. And in military terms, the entire European Union half of the United States is not worth it.

        Spit on $, on Euro too. look at the potential of the economy, technology, labor productivity.
        And $ / euro, this is just a tool: it will 100% show / show who will support us (1-2% of the force) and who will betray and come running to tear down the cooled corpse
        1. 0
          15 February 2019 10: 28
          As long as American troops are deployed in Western Europe, the danger of their use of nuclear weapons remains and the rest of the NATO countries will be forced to follow them.
          1. 0
            15 February 2019 15: 13
            Quote: rubin6286
            the danger of their use of nuclear weapons remains and the rest of the NATO countries will be forced to follow them.

            they will use nuclear weapons.
            I have no doubt.
            and here we are ...
            I wrote about it
        2. 0
          17 February 2019 13: 38
          Quote: Aibolit
          Quote: AVM

          NATO is not as united as it seems.

          Does this value / role play to
          Quote: Author

          The approximate radius of destruction of targets by the Dagger missile when placed on a Tu-160М / М2. Reaching the launch line at speed


          It has, because if NATO is not one, then the points on the map will begin to thin. In case of conflict with one NATO member, for example, with Turkey, others will not rush to shoot down Tu-160, even if they have such an opportunity.

          Quote: AVM
          use of nuclear weapons is inevitable.

          doubt it.
          Do you know AT LEAST one US senator / congressman / civil servant who has real estate "abroad", not in the Russian Federation, but, for example, in the Code Divoir? Zanzibar?
          ...


          That "soft drain" is possible, yes. The example of the collapse of the USSR is confirmation of this.
          But history is unpredictable, and the logic of war is unpredictable. If those same elites suspect that if they lose, they will be significantly removed, and that same property in the United States and Europe will be selected, then they can become more intractable. What is now slowly and confirmed by sanctions against specific individuals.
          I must even understand that his wealth in the West is not requisitioned as long as he has power. And when she is not there, what will prevent him from "dissolving" and squeezing out the loot in Russia?
          Only a few will be able to integrate into the Western elite, to become "their own".

          Yes, and the military for the most part no real estate abroad. And a serious civil war in the Russian Federation with loss of control over nuclear weapons, random launches, nuclear power plant explosions, etc. etc. very few people will bring joy.

          I rather believe that we will have something in between North Korea and China.
      2. 0
        15 February 2019 00: 37
        I, now, want to ask everything from the Germans and all sorts of Norwegians there with the Swedes who drown for the environment and invest huge amounts of money into it, sometimes even sacrificing competitive advantage ...

        And how much will be left of their ecology if a nuclear war starts between NATO and Russia?

        I'm afraid I won’t get an answer from them writhing in painful cognitive dissonance.
        1. +1
          15 February 2019 02: 31
          Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
          if a nuclear war starts between NATO and Russia?

          There will be no war (nuclear, "Ergon! Ergon! Ergon! The Ordnung command requires its supporters to begin the total destruction of the enemy"), do not worry.
          Will be Ivan Danilovich Kalita No. 2
          They hit the veche bell, the people gathered and killed Cholkan and his Tatars. Only a few herdsmen managed to leave and let the Horde know about the incident.

          Revenge was inevitable. Prince Ivan Danilovich, having heard about what happened in Tver, he hastily fled to the Horde and from there, in the rank of the oldest prince, he went with the Tatars to punish Tver. The Tatar army was led by five temniks. Ivan Danilovich demanded that the Suzdal prince join him, the Suzdal prince did not dare to disobey. In winter, the army entered Tver’s land, burned the city, sat down, killed the inhabitants, both old and small; others taken into captivity; others, deprived of shelter, froze. So Kashin and Tver were ravaged. Prince Alexander and his brother Konstantin left for Novgorod; Novgorod did not accept Alexander; he fled to Pskov. Meanwhile, the Tatars, probably not knowing that the Novgorodians had driven Alexander away, attacked the Novotorzhsky land belonging to Novgorod and devastated it. The matter was clarified when the Mongolian ambassadors arrived in Novgorod and received there 2000 hryvnias of silver and many gifts.

          The Tver region was so devastated and depopulated that for half a century it bore the traces of this pogrom.
  13. 0
    14 February 2019 23: 04
    Quote: Aibolit
    sorry for the caaclysm

    The fake drawing "Plans to Improve Early Warning and Destruction of Ballistic Missiles" depicts the interception of a Russian ICBM using target designation from a NATO missile defense radar.

    And kaakly know that the NATO missile defense radar at this very time will be sitting in a deep ass after a high-altitude explosion of a 1-megaton Iskander-M warhead?
    1. +2
      14 February 2019 23: 26
      Quote: Operator
      And who said that the NATO missile defense radar at this very time will not sit in a deep ass after a high-altitude explosion of a 1-ton Iskander-2 warhead?

      1.Erotic fantasies (Iskander-2, and especially the megaton warhead: R-36M2 / RT-2PM / 2PM1 / M2 - max 800 kt, how many of them are xs. But I don’t think more than 10, and not one is not "sharpened" on a high-altitude blast "over Europe" ... because - because).
      2. Zabite on the missile defense radar, they will perfectly and calmly work as an air defense radar, even with the explosion of the mythical 200 megaton, mythical Iskander-2
    2. 0
      15 February 2019 10: 23
      If it comes to a high-altitude explosion of a 1Mgt warhead. then "deep in the ass" will be all.
      1. +1
        15 February 2019 10: 40
        Our goal in a military conflict with NATO is guaranteed to deliver to the addressees nuclear weapons placed on ICBMs, SLBMs and RSD (in the near future). Therefore, we see the violet state of the radar, radio communications and centralized power supply after high-altitude explosions anywhere.

        Moreover, the reload time of the radar, radio transmitters and electrical substations is from 5 to 15 minutes (the transit time of the AUTA ICBM, SLBM and RSD).
        1. 0
          15 February 2019 14: 25
          A 1 Mht air blast is not the best way to suppress air defense and missile defense. Land and sea-based ICBMs, ASBMs have an autonomous control system and can deliver a nuclear charge to a target, unless they fall within the range of the shock wave of this nuclear explosion. The goal of any side in the war is to defeat the enemy, and to survive. Alas, today no one has a chance. .
          1. 0
            15 February 2019 14: 56
            It was only a question of suppressing the operation of the missile defense radar during the passage of ballistic missiles. AUT and the detachment of the BB.
  14. +1
    14 February 2019 23: 40
    It will be hard to say whether the Dagger will be armed with the Tu-160 hypersonic missiles. Information about these weapons is very fragmentary and contradictory. If the “Dagger” is an aeroballistic missile and the trajectory of its flight to the target is similar to the X-22, then it will need hypersound only in dense layers of the atmosphere, significantly reducing the transit time of the final part of the trajectory and reducing the possibility of the enemy’s air defense and missile defense. In this case, the missile should be equipped exclusively with a nuclear warhead because an ordinary warhead weighing 250-300 kg, even if it is directly hit by a moving or standing large ground (sea) target, does not guarantee its complete destruction.

    In a nuclear conflict, all weapons are used only once and "one way", after which all life on the planet will die. It is not so important who will strike the first blow, the main thing is to have time to respond to it as soon as possible. In this sense, the placement of the “Dagger” on the Mig-31 can be considered optimal, given its speed, range, and the deployment of airfields.

    Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 can probably also be armed with dagger missiles, but their long range is achieved at subsonic speed. In addition, both of these machines do not have sufficient stealth in comparison with strategic land and sea-based missiles. The process of their preparation for take-off and take-off is detected by reconnaissance means. Long-range air base airfields are known and probable targets on enemy territory can be predetermined.

    In my opinion, long-range aviation is more needed to participate in local conflicts. It has for this a wide range of weapons and, in the event of a conflict escalating into a nuclear one, can complement the potential of strategic strike forces.
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 00: 28
      It is not so important who will strike the first blow, the main thing is to have time to respond to it as soon as possible.


      It is unlikely that the "Dagger" is a weapon of retaliation. Rather the opposite. "Dagger" is a prophylaxis to keep AUG and US missile defense systems in Poland and Romania under threat of imminent and rapid destruction.

      So that in the star-striped wet dreams do not dream of scenarios of military conquest of Russia.
      1. 0
        15 February 2019 10: 11
        Read newspapers and watch the Vremya program. According to Putin, Russia will never be the first to use nuclear weapons. On the European theater of operations "Dagger" is not needed. There are short distances here and ballistic missiles of various ranges are quite enough ...
    2. +1
      15 February 2019 02: 32
      Quote: rubin6286
      then she will need hypersound only in dense layers of the atmosphere

      in "dense" layers - hypersound is not possible for more than 5-10 minutes
      1. +1
        15 February 2019 10: 13
        That’s enough. One of the warheads of Soviet solid propellant rockets in the final section of the trajectory descended on the target for about three minutes and this was considered very long.
        1. +1
          15 February 2019 15: 12
          Quote: rubin6286
          One of the warheads of Soviet solid propellant rockets in the final section of the trajectory descended on the target for about three minutes and this was considered very long.

          1. why "one of"?
          almost everything is so
          2. when entering the troposphere, the speed "drops" to 3 km / s (+/-)
          the time of descent from 35 to 20 km is about 15-16 seconds, below 20 km to undermining about 8-12 seconds
          what
          Quote: rubin6286
          about three minutes

          ?
          3min = 3 * 60sec = 180 sec
          3000 m / s * 180 s = 540 000 m = 540 km.
          Do not fantasize about 3 minutes
          Flight to 10 000 km decommissioned MX Peacekeeper about 28 minutes (with alpha = 13,6 degrees and with the apogee of 860 km)

          Minuteman-3, whose apogee is estimated at 1100 km.
          The time of a ballistic flight to a range of L = 10000 km at v_0 = 7 km / s and alpha = 17.3 deg. is 30 minutes
          ours have the same
          3. The warhead is "so"

          some warheads before entering the atmosphere unfold the base of the cone in the direction of flight, while others have blunt nasal tips. In both cases, a pressure jump is formed in front of the warhead, which serves as a shield and prevents the flow around the flow, which significantly reduces heating.

          - Evaporative (ablation) heat protection. A sufficiently thick layer of material, when heated, gradually collapses, and the excess thermal energy leaves together with the flying away particles.

          - special materials: carbon plastics (hardened carbon-carbon composite, reinforced carbon-carbon), quartz glass, ultrahigh-temperature composites with ceramic matrix and others
          I'm afraid on the "dagger" with this tight
          1. 0
            15 February 2019 16: 43
            The head of the 8K98 missile descended on the target for about 3 minutes. This was considered a fairly long period of time in 1978. I can’t say anything about American missiles, because I served in the Secular Army.
            1. 0
              15 February 2019 17: 09
              Quote: rubin6286

              The head of the 8K98 missile descended on the target for about 3 minutes.

              strange.
              V for her = 7030 m / s
              miniteman3 has almost 6 667 m / s (with 3 W78 mes), with a single lightweight monoblock up to 7400 m / s
              Why should it fall slowly enough for 3 minutes?
              Why goat bayan?
              Quote: rubin6286
              it was thought in 1978

              From October 1968, regular rocket firing began from the Plesetsk range to test the theory of solid fuel cracking, which was predicted by Chelomei. For this, missiles with different storage periods were chosen. Cracking theory has not been confirmed. From January 1970 to the end of 1972, the first batches of 8K98 were replaced with modernized RT-2P (8K98P).
              In the mid-1970s, the replacement of the RT-2 complexes with the modernized RT-2P complexes began.
              from 1969 to 72, 8K98P (RT-2P) were deployed
              and since 1974 already 8K98M (RT-2M)
              I've never heard of "slow" stuffing.
              What for?
    3. 0
      17 February 2019 22: 50
      Quote: rubin6286
      In my opinion, long-range aviation is more needed to participate in local conflicts. It has for this a wide range of weapons and, in the event of a conflict escalating into a nuclear one, can complement the potential of strategic strike forces.


      Local conflicts are different. Turkey, Japan, but who knows? Apart from the USA / France / Britain / China and a few others (who have nuclear weapons), all are local conflicts.
  15. -1
    15 February 2019 00: 17
    "Dagger" on the MiG-31 is a temporary solution that will not become widespread. It was necessary to show hypersound - and they showed it, simultaneously discouraging any military scenario regarding Russia.

    AUG warning not to meddle close to the borders of Russia.

    The projection of the force on the American missile defense system in Romania, Poland and Japan.
  16. 0
    15 February 2019 01: 16
    In my opinion, in addition to the Tu-22M3M, it is necessary to actively use the Su-34 as carriers of Daggers. Spending MIGi-31 for these purposes is really too wasteful in our situation ..
    1. -1
      15 February 2019 10: 20
      Our MiG-31 can go supersonic with the Dagger. The Su-34 cannot go supersonic with it and does not have the necessary practical ceiling for this. The plane will be heavy as an iron and roll. It will fly to the target for a long time and is likely to be shot down by air defense and missile defense systems.
      1. -1
        15 February 2019 20: 27
        You're not right. See tech. aircraft characteristics:
        Su-34 at a height develops a speed of Mach 1,8 (i.e., supersonic);
        Su-34 has a maximum combat load: 8000 kg (12 000 kg with a combat radius of less than 1000 km);
        MIG-31 allows a payload of only 5000 kg and has a combat radius of only 720 km;
        Su-34 allows overload - 7 G, and MIG-31 only 5 G;
        The Su-34 has a practical ceiling of 17 km, while the MIG-31 has a practical ceiling of 21 km.

        Thus: the Su-34 has a significantly higher payload than the MIG-31; the flight range is much longer, the practical ceiling is not much less; supersonic speed is provided (of course, it is less than the maximum for the MIG-31, but not much less than the TU-22M3M, which will also be used for Daggers).

        In addition, the Su-34s recently managed to trick our S-300s during the exercises, so knocking them down will not be easy (https://news.rambler.ru/troops/41723231-47-y-bombardirovochnyy-aviapolk-unichtozhil-s-300 /).
  17. +2
    15 February 2019 01: 19
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    and here again another article spoiled - targeting
    MKRTS Liana deployed on 200% (4 KA), it is planned to increase the stability to 400% (8 KA)
    * now not analog 80

    ICRC "Liana" is EMNIP at least 2 electronic reconnaissance satellites "Lotos" and a satellite for monitoring the ocean surface (radar observation) "Pion". So 4 "Lotos" satellites have really been launched, although it is not known whether No. 1 is operational, which was junk from the very beginning. But "Peonies" has not been launched by ANYONE. Therefore, to say that the Liana system is deployed by 200 or 400% is not true
  18. 0
    15 February 2019 09: 19
    Quote: Aibolit
    just because

    Panyatna laughing
  19. +1
    15 February 2019 11: 28
    Quote: 1Alexey
    In my opinion, in addition to the Tu-22M3M, it is necessary to actively use the Su-34 as carriers of Daggers. Spending MIGi-31 for these purposes is really too wasteful in our situation ..

    You are repeating the "mistake" inherent in a fairly large number of VO writers. As a new system of weapons appears, then as from the cornucopia begins to pour in the proposal to place these weapons wherever possible, and where not too. So it was with the "Calibers", so it was with the "avant-gardes", "Zircons", "Poseidons" and everything new that only we know about. The most recent example. It was about the fact that a drawing of a certain new coastal anti-ship complex on the KAMAZ chassis appeared on the network. Huge body, reminiscent of a dump truck body. And it contains 4 TPK missiles "Uranus" ... Immediately followed by a proposal instead of "Uranus" to place there the newest 9M729. Moreover, in 2 times more quantity. I am not saying that such a rocket is twice as long and simply did not fit into the body. And about the quantity and even more so. So it is with you. There is a MIG-31 - let there be one squadron. They will be able to adapt the TU-22M3 to it - no one will mind. But to put on the TU-160 or the SU-34 and SU-57 is sheer stupidity. We are not even talking about the carrying capacity of the SU-34. Imagine this "Blank" on his suspension. How manageable will it be ???
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 15: 37
      "A huge body, reminiscent of the body of a dump truck. And it contains 4 TPK missiles" Uranus "..."
      This picture also surprised me to say the least. belay
      As for the Su-34 and Su-57, I also agree with you. And about the Tu-160, why not? The idea seems to be not bad if the issue of target designation is resolved and the Dagger can work on moving targets (ships).
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      15 February 2019 20: 41
      Su-34 with Dagger will be quite manageable! The Su-34: load capacity is much higher than that of the MIG-31, and significantly more allowable overload (compare aircraft performance characteristics).

      One squadron of MIG-31s ​​with daggers will not significantly increase the country's defense capability, and spending 100 planes (MIG-31) on it, as planned according to some reports, I consider it an impermissible luxury (we need these MIGi-31s as interceptors).

      To use the Su-57 for Daggers is the same luxury, we need them as fighters.

      To use strategic bombers for Daggers (Tu-160 and Tu-95), with today's range of Daggers - complete nonsense. In this case, you must first increase the range of Daggers to 5000-7000 km, and then think about strategic bombers for them.
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        16 February 2019 14: 10
        Quote: 1Alexey
        Su-34 with Dagger will be quite manageable! The Su-34: load capacity is much higher than that of the MIG-31, and significantly more allowable overload (compare aircraft performance characteristics).


        The question is whether supersonic speed is required to obtain the calculated range of the Dagger, and whether Su-34 will be able to gather it with a suspended missile, considering that it is more oriented to subsonic.

        Quote: 1Alexey
        To use strategic bombers for Daggers (Tu-160 and Tu-95), with today's range of Daggers - complete nonsense. In this case, you must first increase the range of Daggers to 5000-7000 km, and then think about strategic bombers for them.


        1000 km is quite a normal range in order not to enter the air defense zone. A large range of the strategist allows almost the entire route to pass on supersonic, which is impossible on MIG-31 and even Tu-22М3М.

        The use of strategists with PKR is the only way to quickly strike the enemy surface ships in the interests of all four fleets from the same air base. In this case, the enemy is difficult to destroy this airbase, only Toonhawk or Tomahawk, and Tomahawk must fly a considerable distance for this, they can even beat.
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          20 February 2019 22: 23
          AVM, you do not know the performance characteristics of the aircraft.

          1. Su-34 is designed for supersonic at 8000 kg, while the Dagger weighs much less (since the Dagger is able to carry MIG-31, which has a total load capacity of 5000 kg)!

          2. The Tu-95 is a subsonic aircraft, and the Tu-160 develops a supersonic speed only at an afterburner (that is, it cannot hold it for a long time), its cruising speed is also subsonic. But at MIG-31 just cruising speed - supersonic.

          3. In addition to air defense, there are also fighters of NATO countries, which are unlikely to let our strategic bombers over a distance of 1000 km (due to their size, they will be noticed in advance). It is not by chance that they are armed with X-101 / X-102 rockets with a range of 4500 / 5500 km, and they create a new missile with a range of 7000 km.
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            20 February 2019 22: 53
            According to (https://warbook.club/boepripasy/rakety/kinzhal/), the Kh-47M2 missile, which is part of the Dagger complex (the Dagger complex is a combination of the carrier aircraft and the Kh-47M2 missile), has a launch weight : 4000 kg.

            So Su-34, in principle, can even take 2 such missiles, while maintaining its supersonic speed!
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              20 February 2019 22: 58
              Quote: 1Alexey
              According to (https://warbook.club/boepripasy/rakety/kinzhal/), the Kh-47M2 missile, which is part of the Dagger complex (the Dagger complex is a combination of the carrier aircraft and the Kh-47M2 missile), has a launch weight : 4000 kg.

              So Su-34, in principle, can even take 2 such missiles, while maintaining its supersonic speed!


              Can not. And the supersonic speed with Dagger is unlikely to pick up. First big rocket midsection. Secondly, the mass. The air intakes for the Su-34 are oriented to work on the subduction at low altitude. As with the American B-1B bomber. Look at the differences between the B-1B air intakes and the Tu-160 air intakes.
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                20 February 2019 23: 07
                On account of the constructive possibilities of taking the 2 rocket of the Dagger complex I will not argue. But he will be able to take one such rocket exactly and keep the supersonic!

                As for the modes of operation of the Su-34, it is designed for different modes:

                - it has a speed of Mach 1,9 and a practical ceiling of 17 km;
                - can be used at low altitudes at subsonic speeds (therefore, it is planned as a attack aircraft to replace the Su-25);
                - it can be used as a fighter and carry long-range air-to-air missiles.
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                  21 February 2019 07: 31
                  Quote: 1Alexey
                  On account of the constructive possibilities of taking the 2 rocket of the Dagger complex I will not argue. But he will be able to take one such rocket exactly and keep the supersonic!

                  As for the modes of operation of the Su-34, it is designed for different modes:

                  - it has a speed of Mach 1,9 and a practical ceiling of 17 km;
                  - can be used at low altitudes at subsonic speeds (therefore, it is planned as a attack aircraft to replace the Su-25);
                  - it can be used as a fighter and carry long-range air-to-air missiles.


                  I would guess so. Su-34 can carry 1 Dagger + 2 rockets in-in SD + 2 in-in MD.
                  Most of the route on the dial-up, rather at low altitude for stealth. Before launching the Dagger, exit to working height and speed — start and go home.
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            20 February 2019 23: 07
            Quote: 1Alexey
            AVM, you do not know the performance characteristics of the aircraft.

            1. Su-34 is designed for supersonic at 8000 kg, while the Dagger weighs much less (since the Dagger is able to carry MIG-31, which has a total load capacity of 5000 kg)!

            2. The Tu-95 is a subsonic aircraft, and the Tu-160 develops a supersonic speed only at an afterburner (that is, it cannot hold it for a long time), its cruising speed is also subsonic. But at MIG-31 just cruising speed - supersonic.

            3. In addition to air defense, there are also fighters of NATO countries, which are unlikely to let our strategic bombers over a distance of 1000 km (due to their size, they will be noticed in advance). It is not by chance that they are armed with X-101 / X-102 rockets with a range of 4500 / 5500 km, and they create a new missile with a range of 7000 km.


            1. Where is that written? At what height, at what load and how much time?
            2.1 Pro Tu-95 everything is written in the article is available, it is unlikely to fit.
            2.2 The article indicates the range of the Tu-160 supersonic 1,5 MAX, what kind of aircraft will provide such?
            2.3 What is the range of the MIG-31 on supersonic and on which supersonic, MAX?
            3.1 The radius of detection of the Tu-160 at the AUG will be 1000-1500 km. Taking into account the time of arrival of the F-35 or F-18E fighters, the time to dump the Dagger and turn the Tu-160 + missiles, their EW is enough, it’s quite possible to do without losses. In some cases, they can be escorted by the same Su-35, they do not need to drag the missiles, only missiles in-in, and they can take off closer, not from Engels airbase.
            3.2 X-101 / X-102 for purposes in depth, not for AUG or advanced bases. Do not forget about any riffraff - Turkey, Japan and other henchmen.
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    15 February 2019 15: 07
    "The armament of the Tu-22M3 with three Kh-22 missiles weighing about six tons each was considered to be loaded" into overload ", which was reflected in a decrease in the range and flight speed."
    Is it possible? Have you ever taken "overload"?
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      15 February 2019 16: 48
      Alexey Vasilievich! I sent you a message to this your question.
      What else is not clear?
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        15 February 2019 17: 01
        You wrote that the plane will fall apart. belay This surprised me when you consider that the maximum combat load is 24000 kg. You also kindly advised me to "turn on the brain". laughing So I'm trying to do it now. I’m trying to understand how the carcass will fall apart from 3 X-22, if it is designed for a combat load of 24 tons.
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        15 February 2019 23: 45
        "The structural elements of the plane are not designed to handle two more missiles in a loaded state. It will just fall apart."
        In short, the maximum combat load of 24 tons is also from the area of ​​inscriptions on the toilet.))) Understand correctly, I'm not trying to accuse you of lying. Just then what ... so brazenly scratching about the characteristics? !!!
        PS
        I can’t understand, my second message in PM or not came to you. An incomprehensible website, a message is sent or not. Just in case, I’ve duplicated it here.
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          16 February 2019 08: 55
          Quote: Alexey Vasilievich I
          "The structural elements of the plane are not designed to handle two more missiles in a loaded state. It will just fall apart."

          Who told you that? Three missiles can be taken, only they must be launched, because in any case, a landing weight of more than 90 tons will turn out (more than the maximum) and a radius of up to 1500 km will decrease (partial refueling, PLC grows by a quarter).
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          16 February 2019 15: 47
          Alexey Vasilievich!

          The ACGs of the enemy are not the potential of a first strike, in peacetime they do not approach the borders of the Russian Federation within the reach of its coastal airborne weapons, but they prefer to graze in dangerously close proximity. Therefore, the task of the MRA is to detect AAG at a distance that excludes the possibility of using carrier-based aircraft to strike at the territory of the country with their subsequent destruction. If we take into account the location of the MPA and the X-22 firing range of 300 km, we can understand that the plane must go some distance before the start of the launch (it is different each time, since we are looking for ACG on the expanses of the World Ocean). So, the car is completely filled up, a range of about 2000 km one way, cruising speed of about 900 km / h. Armament - 1 X-22M missile under the fuselage in a half-sunken state. Then we recall the Golden Rule of Mechanics. The heavier the load, the greater the fuel consumption and less range. I won’t “get you into the wilds”: how does the external “suspension” affect the longitudinal stability and controllability of the machine, what is the sequence of rockets, is it possible to approach the attack line at a lower speed earlier than an aircraft carrier’s patrol, etc. etc. This, so to speak, “features of the kitchen”. I can only say that during the existence of the MPA there was not a single case of the Tu-22M3 with three missiles in running order (with the “empty” you can even find a photo in the media). Therefore, tactics of hitting the “waves” were developed, and about 3 regiments (about 60 vehicles) “worked” in one AUG. They have 13 aircraft carriers and as many AUGs. Even in Soviet times, we did not have a comparable number of machines in MRA. Today, MPA is gone. Does this mean that Russia abandoned the air strike on the enemy’s ACG in case of war. I think that there is no work to create a more effective weapon. Our "Petrel" with a nuclear remote control has a generally unlimited flight range and an unpredictable trajectory.

          Why then write? It seems to me that a little earlier I answered this question.

          Sincerely, Viktor Kartashev.
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            17 February 2019 12: 17
            Even in Soviet times, we did not have a comparable number of cars in the MRA. Today the MRA is gone. Does this mean that Russia refused an air strike on the enemy's AUG in the event of war?


            Just the combination of a carrier with a long range and speed of flight makes it possible not to build an MPA aircraft for each AUG. The long range of the carrier allows you to work in the interests of different fleets, the high speed of the carrier allows you to do this quickly, and the long range of the means of destruction (missiles) does not enter the zone of destruction of the air defense and enemy fighter aircraft, and thus save the MPA to attack another AUG.

            + the long range of the complex (carrier + missile) will force the enemy's AUG to "graze" even further.

            I think that there is no work to create more effective weapons. Our “Petrel” with nuclear remote control has an unlimited range and unpredictable trajectory.
            Sincerely, Viktor Kartashev.


            The question is, what is her speed. This is most likely subsonic, and the gabirit rockets are decent (high visibility). How many they need to hit the AUG? Detected by airplanes ARLO and beat.
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              17 February 2019 19: 30
              Andrew!

              What you write is just “chatter”, i.e. irresponsible chatter. In order to put your ideas into practice, MRA planes need a completely different design and capabilities, as well as the means of defeating the enemy. We must proceed from the realities, and not meaningless searchlights. Now there is no MPA and in the coming years it will not appear for technical, technological, geopolitical, economic reasons. R & D today is aimed at creating alternative means of warfare, cheaper effective ones. It seems to me that this way of an “asymmetric answer” is more rational than drawing into an uncontrolled arms race.
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                17 February 2019 22: 36
                Quote: rubin6286
                Andrew!

                What you write is just “chatter”, i.e. irresponsible chatter. In order to put your ideas into practice, MRA planes need a completely different design and capabilities, as well as the means of defeating the enemy. We must proceed from the realities, and not meaningless searchlights. Now there is no MPA and in the coming years it will not appear for technical, technological, geopolitical, economic reasons. R & D today is aimed at creating alternative means of warfare, cheaper effective ones. It seems to me that this way of an “asymmetric answer” is more rational than drawing into an uncontrolled arms race.


                What design does an MRA aircraft need?
                Now they are gone. And there is a Tu-160, and it seems like it is planned for further production. And "Dagger" seems to be. If he is not capable of hitting mobile sea targets, then this is also mentioned in the article, accuse the president of lying.
                I just try to start from open, accessible information. And talking about some kind of closed R & D is exactly
                irresponsible chatter


                Is it normal to consider the obviously expensive subsonic "Petrel" as a means against AUG? Do you really think that they will sink ships?

                What is the significance of the unlimited range of the Burevestnik missile if the AUG has all-round defense? Even if you fly up from the west, even from the north, everything is the same.
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                  18 February 2019 08: 14
                  Andrew! I advise many to "turn on their brains." It's strange, but not everyone succeeds.
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            19 February 2019 04: 57
            Thank you very much for the detailed answer.
            I perfectly understand what you are writing about. You are describing the "classic" tactics of using the X-22 against the AUG during the Soviet era. This tactic existed, in my opinion, for 2 main reasons, which you yourself wrote about. 1. The target of our MRA was AUG in 1500-2000 km from our coast. 2. Imperfection of the K-22M complex, due to the need for missile guidance only through the carrier's radar.
            If one of these points (or both) disappears, then you did not think that the tactics of using the Tu-22M3 (Tu-22M3M) could change?
            For example, if the target of Tu-22M3 will be UDC under the cover of destroyers, frigates located a couple of hundred kilometers from the coast. In this case, you will not have to "cut" 2000 km as in the case of an aircraft carrier.
            Or another option. About six months ago there was information about the modernization of the X-22 almost to the level of the X-32. Also, the Tu-22M3 is being upgraded to a modification of the Tu-22M3M. What prevents, given the current level of technology development, the element base, to put a modern head on the X-22, a new engine, change the rocket flight profile and bring the firing range to 1000 km? And Tu-22M3M add the ability to receive target designation from external sources, for example, A-50U (in the future A-100), from "Liana" (possibly already working), UAVs, etc. The goal is to "untie" the missile from the Tu-22M3M radar, to make the plane just a PU, a platform for launching missiles. Then the entire complex will be able to operate at the maximum range.
            That in the first, that in the second case, you can then make an incomplete refueling and take more missiles.
            In my opinion, it is foolish not to use the full potential of such powerful and fast aircraft, especially since there are about 30 of them left.
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            20 February 2019 02: 53
            Hello!
            By incomplete refueling, I meant partial refueling of the Tu-22M3 so that the plane could take the maximum number of missiles. My thought was that with new missiles it would not be required to approach the AUG up to 300 km. That is, it would be possible to pour fuel into the Tu-22M3 for a combat radius of about 500 km, thereby increasing the number of missiles. Then the Tu-22M3 would have advantages over the MiG-31, due to its greater "carrying capacity". More missiles in a salvo - the higher the probability of an air defense / missile defense breakthrough. But if you say that the same Kh-32 is not much different from the Kh-22 (except for the control system), then my idea of ​​using 22-3 Kh-2 missiles (or modernized Kh-3) with the Tu-32M22 is untenable ... This requires a launch range of at least 1000 km. recourse
            And about R-73 and R-77 you really surprised me. belay I did not know that this was possible. How did they induce that?
            And again, the problem is with the drug. Not sent to you.
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    15 February 2019 16: 12
    If a regiment of Tu 160 with Daggers is deployed in Cuba, the entire US territory is guaranteed to be destroyed.
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      15 February 2019 16: 51
      Colonel, do not joke and take pity on our boys. The Americans will not even let them fly.
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      17 February 2019 12: 25
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      If a regiment of Tu 160 with Daggers is deployed in Cuba, the entire US territory is guaranteed to be destroyed.


      In Cuba, it is better to locate a long-range antisubmarine aviation base and unnerve the US by deploying their SSBNs. There, just half of their SSBNs in Georgia are based.
      And if the coastal waters of Cuba are well controlled, then our SSBNs with promising MRBMs can relax there, the flight time will be minimal (the only thing I don’t know is how well the bottom relief is suitable for this).

      True, something tells me, Cuba will sell the US ...
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        17 February 2019 12: 37
        I agree with all strategic aviation and anti-submarine aviation to Cuba, there are goals for it. As for the price for written off debts for 20-30 years, you can take the base.
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    15 February 2019 21: 54
    Quote: Е2 - Е4
    If a regiment of Tu 160 with Daggers is deployed in Cuba, the entire US territory is guaranteed to be destroyed.

    First of all, our TU-160 will be guaranteed to be destroyed. They may not even be allowed to fly, and if they are, they will be destroyed immediately after take-off. Not to mention the fact that the regiment then TU-160 will not be typed with us.
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    16 February 2019 05: 05
    I read right now, I just want the author to look at his bright eyes, got the information? From the intelligence of the anb? laughing
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    17 February 2019 06: 40
    The height and speed of the Tu-160М / М2 are comparable with those of the MIG-31K and Tu-22М3М.

    Why would it suddenly? The height and speed of the MIG-31K are different from those of the Tu-160 / М2 as the sky from the ground. Waking lie.
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      17 February 2019 12: 10
      Quote: Herrr
      The height and speed of the Tu-160М / М2 are comparable with those of the MIG-31K and Tu-22М3М.

      Why would it suddenly? The height and speed of the MIG-31K are different from those of the Tu-160 / М2 as the sky from the ground. Waking lie.


      We must consider everything as a whole. The characteristics are comparable in the context of the use of the Dagger missile. This is the flight altitude of 10-15 km provided by all of the above carriers and the possibility of supersonic flight at this altitude. Presumably, this combination is necessary for the normal launch of the "Dagger" at the maximum range.
      The possibility of MIG-31 to climb over 20 km on 2,35 MAX is unlikely to be in demand, and he will not be able to realize such characteristics with a heavy rocket, mail at maximum load.
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        18 February 2019 19: 59
        "The MIG-31's ability to climb over 20 km at 2,35 MAX will hardly be in demand, and it will not be able to realize such characteristics with a heavy rocket, mail at maximum load."
        I recently also questioned this possibility in a relatively recent article about the MIG-31. They generally bent there - 30 km altitude and speed of 3000 km / h with a dagger. fellow So the minuses flew into me from the Uri patriots and surprised questions - why do I have doubts about this? laughing
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    20 February 2019 23: 23
    [quote = AVM] [quote = 1Alexey]
    1. Where is that written? At what height, at what load and how much time?
    [/ Quote]
    Read at least Wikipedia.
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      21 February 2019 07: 33
      [quote = 1Alexey] [quote = AVM] [quote = 1Alexey]
      1. Where is that written? At what height, at what load and how much time?
      [/ Quote]
      Read at least Wikipedia. [/ Quote]

      Understand, there can not be everything at the same time - and the maximum load, and speed and radius. We hang a heavy rocket and quickly carry it - the ceiling and radius fall, we want to fly further - we reduce the speed and the ceiling.
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    10 February 2020 08: 46
    It seems all the same, reality:

    The media learned about plans to arm the Tu-160 with dagger hypersonic missiles

    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e40b7129a7947df576e727d?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews