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PAK YES? PAK YES!

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Recently, we learned that Chief of General Staff Nikolai Makarov and Defense Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin did not agree on whether or not to create a new long-range bomber.

PAK YES? PAK YES!


Rogozin assured us in an interview with "Izvestiyam":
“Look at the level of development of air defense and missile defense: all these aircraft will not fly anywhere. Neither ours nor them will reach us. We need to think about completely non-trivial things.”

But before that, the Chief of the General Staff, Makarov, addressing the readers of the “Braces”, stated:
“There is progress in creating a new bomber. If we start production, this aircraft will significantly surpass all modern types of such aircraft, including the American ones. It will have a completely new glider.”

Such a contradiction in the opinions of defense leaders caused heated debates among patriotic-minded citizens.
Almost unanimously, we expressed that a new long-range bomber is simply necessary.
Doubts appeared only in relation to the magnitude of the cost of the serial construction of such an aircraft, will it be mastered by the country's budget?

And now the Russian president put an end to these doubts. At a meeting on the implementation of the state armament program in the field of aviation Technology Vladimir Putin said:
“The first is the promising development of the air component of the Strategic Nuclear Forces, including the work to be launched on the new promising PAK DA system of long-range aviation. I know how expensive it is, how difficult it is, we spoke repeatedly with the Minister of Defense and Chief of the General Staff. The task is not difficult from a scientific and technical point of view, but we need to start this work. If we do not start in time, bearing in mind the deadlines for the implementation of certain elements of this program, we may miss the time, because Of course, it is impossible to prolong the use and operation of existing equipment. "

Also, Vladimir Putin confirmed that funds for the construction of advanced aircraft and the modernization of existing equipment will be allocated.
Before the 2020, it is envisaged to allocate more than 4 trillions of rubles to the state defense order for aviation.

Let me remind the words of the commander of the DA RF Major General Anatoly Zhikharev:
"We would like to see this plane with a completely new aiming and navigation complex, communications, reconnaissance, electronic warfare. He must use all kinds of weaponswhich now exist and which will be in the future in service with Long-Range Aviation "

Information sources:
http://news.kremlin.ru/news/15646
http://www.paralay.com/pakda.html
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  1. Aleksey67
    Aleksey67 15 June 2012 08: 58
    +12
    Well, now they will make PAK YES together, otherwise these disagreements in the leadership strained the people "not childishly" winked
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 15 June 2012 09: 11
      +10
      Quote: Aleksey67
      somehow these disagreements in the leadership strained the people "not childishly"

      Quote: esaul
      Both that and another do not refuse that YES is necessary.

      It's just that Putin said "Breck" and threw them in the corners. Russia does not need polemics, but concrete results.
      1. VAF
        VAF 16 June 2012 00: 58
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        It's just that Putin said "break" and spread them in the corners


        Victor, +! And then what for to appoint, that would always act as a referee or "overseer"?
        So they will pour over from empty to empty, but to the point ... one talking room!
    2. andrey586
      andrey586 15 June 2012 09: 12
      +17
      Better let the oil and gas money be spent on PAK YES than bureaucrats will spend it on cottages, yachts, etc.
      1. patline
        patline 15 June 2012 09: 22
        +4
        Quote: andrey586
        Better let the oil and gas money be spent on PAK YES than bureaucrats will spend it on cottages, yachts, etc.

        Let this money be spent on technology development. The development and manufacture of such aircraft is the development of technology.
        1. Норд
          Норд 15 June 2012 10: 04
          +3
          Well, that's nice. The new bomber is to be. And this mess was puzzling: to build - not to build.
      2. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 15 June 2012 10: 13
        +3
        Unfortunately, there will be quite a lot of yachts and summer cottages. There is nothing yet, but the amount has already been announced, at least some of the engineers will get it.
        1. 755962
          755962 15 June 2012 10: 39
          +9
          Well, whatever one may say, the backlogs on this topic were already in the USSR !!!!!!!!
          planned to create options Tu-2000B space bomber and MVKS or passenger hypersonic aircraft. The Tu-2000B was designed as a double bomber with a range of 10,000 km and a take-off weight of 350 tons. Six engines powered by liquid hydrogen were supposed to provide a speed of M = 6 at an altitude of 30 km.

          Tu-2000 in the MVKS version would have a launch weight of 260 tons, a flight altitude of more than 60 km and a speed from M = 15 to M = 25 (orbital speed). A payload of 8-10 tons can be put into orbit 200 km high. 8 turbo-ram engines are supplemented by a hypersonic ramjet engine (SCRE) and LRE. To implement the project, it is necessary to create a wide-range ramjet and production and storage technology for supercooled (slush-like) hydrogen on board the aircraft.
          http://airbase.ru/sb/russia/tupolev/2000/
          1. raptorr
            raptorr 15 June 2012 14: 28
            -1
            There is some kind of pepelats in the picture. M15 - M25 at 260 tons - safely
      3. VAF
        VAF 16 June 2012 01: 00
        0
        Quote: andrey586
        than bureaucrats will spend them on cottages, yachts, etc.


        The most beautiful desire, +! But ... not doable ....!
        The Millerovskys have already built up the entire coast of the Gulf of Finland with their "orphan" dachas, but what ... have every right, because GAZPROM is a national treasure ???? lol
    3. Neighbor
      Neighbor 15 June 2012 16: 05
      +2
      Quote: Aleksey67
      Well now they’ll make PAK YES together

      In the photo by the way - the Soviet project - the supersonic bomber T-60S. In combination with ultra-modern electronics, weapons, engines and means of survival of the aircraft - the Beast, the car should turn out! drinks
      Quote: this aircraft will significantly surpass all modern types of such aircraft, including American ones! good drinks
      It would be differently different this Amesky would be better ........ !!! am - the speed of which is 11300 km / h. A tidbit for the S-400! Not to mention the S-500! wink
      Glory to Russia!!! drinks
      Putin - Well done !!! drinks
    4. VAF
      VAF 16 June 2012 00: 57
      0
      Quote: Aleksey67
      but somehow these disagreements in the leadership strained


      Alex, +! Only the people, okay, the state and its defense are annoying, but this can end badly!
      Italians rush from one extreme to the other. Then the French, now Jews, Finns ... who else will help us ???
      So wants to yell-stop !!! Decide !!!
      GDP appoint real professionals and from among the MILITARY, who know, and not ....... !!!

      And to do it as simple as possible, get it from the Sukhovsky archive, and go !!!
  2. esaul
    esaul 15 June 2012 09: 01
    +7
    Frankly speaking, in the words of Rogozin and the chief of the General Staff, radical discrepancies "did not truncate." Unless the author of the article wanted to introduce some intrigue into the text ... Both do not deny that YES is necessary. So there will be a bomber! ... Putin expressed himself unequivocally on this matter.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 15 June 2012 09: 32
      +5
      Quote: esaul
      . Putin on this occasion spoke ambiguously.

      Valera, probably wrong? GDP was unambiguous and quite clear:
      work to be launched on a new promising long-range aviation complex PAK DA
      1. esaul
        esaul 15 June 2012 09: 56
        +4
        Quote: Aleksey67
        Valera, probably wrong?

        Lyosha, for sure - a mistake came out ... Correct.
  3. Gavrilon
    Gavrilon 15 June 2012 09: 07
    +5
    If only it did not work out as always !!! They built a great plane (1 copy) and all the money ended the project turned off.
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 15 June 2012 09: 10
    +8
    Nothing to be wise, a plane is needed! Democracy was raging — teachings, pro, warriors. A good bomber, there is a weighty argument for the gearmy.
  5. Vasily79
    Vasily79 15 June 2012 09: 15
    +3
    Creating a new car as we have been going on for a very long time. I wish her to be led by an energetic, ambitious leader. (Tupolev, Korolev) good
  6. Insurgent
    Insurgent 15 June 2012 09: 23
    +5
    Well, Rogozin suggests and Putin has
  7. nekromonger
    nekromonger 15 June 2012 09: 52
    +6
    the project is so complex and costly that it will take many years (with the necessary funding) and by that time its need may not be so urgent, but as already noted here it can give impetus to many new technologies that can bring us to a new level.
  8. werr17
    werr17 15 June 2012 09: 55
    +6
    God grant you, birdie, a soft landing and a clear sky!
  9. wall
    wall 15 June 2012 10: 10
    +4
    The main thing is that there are enough resources. And then we know how to argue, then at the government level., But the Soviet backlog has long ended. And now how much money, time and effort needs to be spent is unknown. Well if you do not plunder along the way.
  10. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 15 June 2012 10: 10
    +7
    Frankly, I am a fan of aviation and any news of this plan is a balm for the soul! I see no reason not to develop PAK YES. TU-95 is time for DMB. If you want, there is money, for sure there is an initial reserve from the USSR, you must definitely do it!
  11. vorobey
    vorobey 15 June 2012 10: 14
    +8
    yesterday our Leader flew to our base at 393. for good reason, I was absent there (Vorobyov was pinched in black, and feathers were more expensive). But I looked at the news in the evening. Yes, they promise money for modernization and new aircraft.
    if you heard it right, 1600 aircraft up to the year 20. if so then it’s not bad, and if helicopters are included in this number, then not really.
    1. Vasily79
      Vasily79 15 June 2012 10: 21
      +3
      And it’s you who drove 4 new Mi-28s to Vazhak’s arrival, if so, how are they in reality and why of this color?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 15 June 2012 10: 38
        +4
        Vasily did not see live. But here's the thing. I can distinguish 8 from 24 or 26 by characteristic noise. The trick is that they fly at night and yesterday I wondered for a long time what kind of car passed. The noise of the blades and the noise of the engine is not characteristic of any of them. You can’t confuse Kamov cars with anyone.
        and in the afternoon, eights fly mostly.
        1. Vasily79
          Vasily79 15 June 2012 10: 50
          +3
          The good news is that they fly, and the pilots at work.
  12. Knowing
    Knowing 15 June 2012 10: 16
    0
    What does pack yes and no mean? lol
    1. 11Goor11
      15 June 2012 12: 01
      +2
      Knowing
      What does pack yes and no mean?


      we pack bad guys? - YES
      were dissatisfied? - NO
  13. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 15 June 2012 10: 29
    0
    Good news. It is high time. If only the money did not sail away in an unknown direction (more precisely, in a known laughing ).
  14. itr
    itr 15 June 2012 10: 38
    0
    It is strange that most of the forum was concerned about space technology, but now there is such unanimity. Anyway . Mostly, no one paid attention to the fact that Rogozin was the first slap in the back. It’s interesting and who will build it will be judging by the name again Sukhoi
  15. DERWISH
    DERWISH 15 June 2012 10: 42
    +8
    For the sixth year I have been surviving fighting cancer and trying to earn money for it, although there is a free program for the treatment of this disease and for all this time and for the last 20 years there have been practically no new solutions for treatment, it’s a shame to see that there are such advances in updating our defense but there is no national priority program for breaking technologies in treating people from diseases that really mow the country's population and many more people die from these diseases than they can die from the expected military conflicts and why this work is being done in new developments for the army By the way, oncology is problem number 1 consequences of such conflicts with the use of modern weapons Now let's think about who needs rehabilitation and treatment of the military and civilians after a military showdown? why are all tasks number 0 ??? Even with amers! I would like our higher leadership to think about us living nearby and that the consequences of human work and efforts to break through military developments leading to the destruction of just civilians were brought to an end, that is, the existence of perfect programs for the treatment of diseases just after the application of these advanced military technologies !!! Sorry, maybe not the topic!
    1. Vasily79
      Vasily79 15 June 2012 10: 52
      +2
      In the subject, I support.
    2. nmd_1
      nmd_1 15 June 2012 11: 23
      +5
      Unfortunately, there are no breakthroughs in the treatment of cancer around the world, otherwise Jobs would be alive, several times a month there is news that a solution has been found in the fight against cancer or AIDS, some other sore, but apparently something is not growing together, and maybe pharmacoeftics are not profitable, God knows. Right now you need to focus on the prevention and early detection of diseases. I wish you Health and Strength, and also believing yourself, God grant you all the best, hold on!
    3. cc-20
      cc-20 15 June 2012 19: 32
      0
      I wish you to defeat the ailment, but if we do not invest in defense, there will not be anyone to treat even a cold. We have a terribly rich country, in terms of finances, both medicine and defense should not interfere with each other. Moreover, the development of military technology often drives medicine. Uzi's roots appeared in the fleet. Promising radiology treatment comes from, you know, from an atomic bomb.
  16. Trailer
    Trailer 15 June 2012 10: 52
    +1
    "attuned citizens. Proctically" AUTHOR !!! Russiy - he is great and mighty! You need to be friends with him! And in the case - an article about something beautiful, but the mass of excuses that I read in this article suggest that they drown, mumbled, and then only postpone the deadlines much. What stealth bombers, when we reduced the release of civilian aircraft to nothing!
    1. 11Goor11
      15 June 2012 12: 19
      +2
      Thanks for the help.
  17. Eugene
    Eugene 15 June 2012 11: 01
    +1
    In the photo, a chilling Arctic fox of course.
    Well, let's see what they pile there. I wonder what kind of engines they will be? Won't they seriously put 4-6 AL-41F on it?
  18. Commander
    Commander 15 June 2012 11: 17
    +1
    The Chief of General Staff Makarov did a useful job for the first time - he pushed the development of new bombers !!! He even stepped over stools and Rogozin !! It’s strange.
  19. USNik
    USNik 15 June 2012 11: 22
    +2
    In the photo it looks like a weaving-M, a car ahead of time ... But I think PAK-DA will be based on the Tu-160, with new avionics, a "transparent cockpit", modernized engines and means of interaction with UAVs, AWACS planes and other assistants.
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 15 June 2012 11: 42
      +2
      not weaving. she finally is not the same. This is some kind of hybrid Tu-160, B-2 and XB-70 Valkyrie.


      upd looked at what t-4ms looks like, had never seen it before. you are right, not ms, but ms.
      1. snek
        snek 15 June 2012 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: Eugene
        not weaving

        This is the so-called two hundred

  20. marshes
    marshes 15 June 2012 11: 29
    0
    In PAK-DA, it’s better to use a hypersonic aircraft, of course. UAVs that could hang in the air for days are also needed, it’s good if we go in two directions in development. It may turn out to be a hypersonic UAV. smile
    1. snek
      snek 15 June 2012 14: 38
      +2
      Hypersonic UAVs for delivering nuclear strikes have existed for a long time and are called ICBMs
  21. mpanichkin
    mpanichkin 15 June 2012 11: 36
    +3
    I believe that the bombers begin to make drone unmanned. Of course, fighters are unlikely to be unmanned in the near future, but I personally feel sorry for those pilots who die in the air, but were shot down, or crashed due to technical problems !? Yes * u * th with him it's just a bunch of plastic glass and metal. I feel sorry for people!
  22. Pedro
    Pedro 15 June 2012 11: 41
    +1
    Right, it's time to build.
  23. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 15 June 2012 11: 54
    +1
    Research work to determine the appearance of the PAK YES can and should be started. We also need to assess what kind of bomber we need ... Otherwise, it will be like now with the Tu-160 - there are several machines (and assembled at one base) that are easy to track. Consequently, the main task of the Tu-160 is to play the role of a potential threat. And here is such a "crystal club" without work and real combat work. The Americans, for example, without any problems involved in combat work (without the use of weapons of mass destruction, of course) B-52 and B1B. I have nothing against the PAK DA as a component of the nuclear triad, but you still need to clearly understand what tasks this complex will have to solve.
  24. Gakkoga
    Gakkoga 15 June 2012 12: 42
    +1
    We would do it on new principles, and even create a plasma field around the aircraft to betray super-maneuverability and fundamentally new properties. It would turn out such a UFO floor, that would be very worthy.
  25. Timon
    Timon 15 June 2012 13: 45
    0
    Zerstower, you are right and Rogozin is also right. This is more a political act of intimidation to potential partners. Putin is not in that sense. Plus, the development of domestic aircraft manufacturing. There are many drawbacks - but it is better to build. Why not build ...

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    1. Recon
      Recon 15 June 2012 15: 01
      +1
      fun you are heating up :)
  26. postman
    postman 15 June 2012 16: 40
    0
    Are the goals and objectives for PAK YES determined?
    For the current situation with air defense.
    1. against whom
    2.where
    3. runway type
    4.thtx

    ============
    I wouldn’t want it to be like the Americans with B-2
    =======================================

    in order to - "" We would like to see this plane with a completely new sighting and navigation system, communications, reconnaissance, electronic warfare. He must use all types of weapons that now exist and which will in the future be in service with Long-Range Aviation "- The miracle of Yudo shown in the figure is not required!
    It is enough to upgrade the Tu-160: it will be cheap, reliable and consistent (for maintenance, BAO, crew)
    1. Recon
      Recon 16 June 2012 07: 25
      0
      As said above, the defense industry is the engine of progress in general and the development of the country. and therefore, let them make a new plane completely.
  27. Knowing
    Knowing 15 June 2012 17: 57
    +1
    The first flight of the new bomber is planned for 2017, and production models should go into service in the period 2025-2030.
  28. Fear
    Fear 16 June 2012 07: 31
    -1
    It is enough to upgrade the Tu-160:
    . Tu 160 was studied in detail by Western experts, and this means that the alleged opponents know: what can be done on the basis of tu160. as a result, they are developing weapons of superior Tu160 Analogs. We need a completely new and modern model of YES.
  29. lotus04
    lotus04 16 June 2012 07: 33
    +2
    Rogozin assured us in an interview with "Izvestiyam":
    “Look at the level of development of air defense and missile defense: all these aircraft will not fly anywhere. Neither ours nor them will reach us. We need to think about completely non-trivial things.”

    I already heard something familiar, only from Khrushchev. And what it led everyone probably already know! One of the results of the cheating of aviation is a 20 year lag on a 5th generation airplane. With all the consequences.
  30. air wolf
    air wolf 4 October 2014 19: 30
    0
    how can one aircraft replace three Tu-95, Tu-22, Tu-160 aircraft?