Andropov’s plan for Russia's integration into Western civilization

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Andropov’s plan was a convergence, the integration of Russia-USSR into Western civilization on favorable Moscow conditions. He believed that Russian civilization could not exist on its own, so before it’s too late, you need to “transfer” the economy and reach an agreement with the masters of the West. Join the West in a marriage of convenience, become an important part of the Western project.

Andropov’s plan for Russia's integration into Western civilization




In fact, Andropov walked along the path of Peter the Great (the Romanovs tried to westernize, Europeanize the Russian elite, make Russia a part of European civilization; however, the Romanovs project ended with the 1917 disaster of the year, which almost completely killed the Russian civilization, Russian statehood and the people). But before starting a rapprochement with the West, Andropov wanted to carry out economic modernization, restore order in the country.

Economic "restructuring" was a key element of the Andropov program. The basis of economic modernization was the isolation, the separation of all that in the USSR-Russia was competitive, worked well, in a special "new economy".
In principle, in the USSR already from the time of Stalin a “parallel Russia” was formed - a fantastic world of the future. Thus, the “best manager” of the 20th century, L. Beria, had already created an atomic, rocket and electronic “corporation”, whose workers received high salaries and were well supplied. In the future, this case continued. Under Brezhnev and Andropov, it was “defense” - the military-industrial complex, “closed cities”, campus, research institutes and design bureaus, biotechnology centers, the Ministry of Medium Machine Building of the USSR (USSR Ministry of Environment) - the nuclear industry, space industry, etc. the period of the existence of the Soviet civilization in these industries and centers formed the real “germ” of the future super-civilization, the latest technologies that can make Russia an advanced power, overtaking the rest of the world for decades.

On the basis of these advanced centers, design bureaus, institutes, and industries, it was planned to form high-tech corporations that, with the help of the special services of the USSR, were to take powerful positions on the world market. Thus, the Soviet (Russian) corporations became a prominent part of the world system, which was created on the basis of the Western development project. Our corporations were to create offices in third countries. As a result, a country-corporation appeared. People working in the “new economy” of the USSR-Russia were supposed to receive high wages and access to material benefits, forming the stratum of the “new elite” (in fact, the bourgeoisie, the middle class).

Sprawled under Brezhnev, in the era of the “big deal” of Soviet citizens, Andropov wanted to discipline, restore order, link the level of wages with labor productivity. In a sense, it was also a new attempt to introduce the “oprichnina” of Ivan the Terrible at a new stage. stories. With the division of the country into land and oprichnina. The old order remained in Zemstvo, and the oprichnina became the core of the “new state”, which absorbed all the most economically developed cities and lands. Oprichnina submitted to the tsar personally and was free from the old special-patrimonial, princely-boyar traditions. Oprichnina as a model of “the state of the future had to develop, grow and eventually cover the entire Russian land. Ivan the Terrible for various reasons (personnel question, war, resistance of the elite, etc.) this attempt failed. The depletion of Russia and the confrontation of elite clans eventually caused the Troubles.

Peter and the other Romanovs were able to Europeanize the elite, created a “European state”, which, in fact, parasitized the rest of Russia, fed on its juices and looked at Europe. But the rest of Russia remained in the patriarchal past. As a result, the discrepancy between the civilization matrix of the Russian civilization and the Western project of the elite led to the 1917-1920 catastrophe, to the new Russian turmoil. Russia almost died. She was saved only by the Soviet project, which absorbed the best beginnings of the Russian civilization project.

Andropov decided to work at an immeasurably higher technological, scientific and economic level. Soviet civilization has created a powerful scientific, technological, educational and economic basis, which, it seemed, would allow Russia to become a full part of the Western project., the core of the capitalist system, and not its semi-colonial periphery, like most of the rest of the world.

Hence the actions and undertakings of Andropov: strengthening labor discipline, raids on truants; the fight against corruption, unearned income, speculation, abuse of trade; an attempt to restore order in Central Asia, which degraded faster than the whole country; the fight against the criminal world (an increase in the number of convicted criminals); cleaning party and state apparatus, including state security agencies. Andropov began to remove people from important party, state and military posts who could oppose the "perestroika". At the same time, a team of associates was formed, which could implement Andropov’s program after he left. In particular, Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Aliyev, Ligachev, Ryzhkov, Romanov and others were moving forward. A team of "construction superintendents", Westerners like Arbatov, Zaslavskaya, Yakovlev, was being prepared.

In 1983, Andropov instructed Gorbachev and Ryzhkov to begin preparing economic reform. In fact, the plan for a radical "restructuring" of industry and the entire national economy began to be prepared even under Andropov. Produced by the so-called. acceleration strategy. It was planned to conduct a massive modernization of production, transfer of enterprises and organizations to self-financing, automation of production. Much attention was paid to the intensification of production, the acceleration of scientific and technological progress, the strengthening of personnel responsibility, organization and discipline, etc. Thus, under Andropov, a radical restructuring of the entire economy of the USSR was being prepared.

Obviously, in the same period, secret ties were formed between the top of the USSR and the masters of the West. In 1967, Andropov headed the KGB; in 1968, the Club of Rome was established, an international organization uniting representatives of the world political, financial, cultural and scientific elite. In fact, it is one of the main "think tanks" of the world mafia, ruling in the West controlling most of the planet.

The Club of Rome was closely connected with other leading centers of the emerging “world government” - the Bilderberg Club, the Tripartite Commission, the Royal Institute for International Affairs of Great Britain, and the Council on Foreign Relations in the USA. The club also worked closely with leading research centers in the West, think tanks created by the new world order - Stanford and Yale Universities, and the Hoover Institute in the USA. Thus, behind the Club of Rome there were real masters of the West, people who really governed the development of the world.

In fact, the Club of Rome has become one of the tools to manage modern history, to switch society to a new stage of development. The hosts of the West during this period are trying to stop scientific and technological progress (in particular, grandiose space programs are being curtailed), to preserve social transformations, since all this jeopardized the multi-thousand-year plan of the “bricklayers” architects to form a caste slave-owning civilization on a planetary scale. The scientific and technological revolution and the development of socialist society led to the development of man, his creative, creative potential. And the masters of the West need an ideal slave-consumer, obedient and easily controlled. The latest technologies, including longevity, should be available only to the global elite.

The owners of the West, the global mafia was frightened by the appearance of the Soviet project. The Soviet (Russian) civilization with its society of knowledge, service and creation has become a real alternative to the slave-owning consumer society, the society of slave owners and slaves, the society of extermination and self-destruction.

It was not possible to suppress the Soviet Union by force (Hitler's "crusade"). Then the West launched the Third World War - the “cold”, informational one. The West waged an informational, ideological, economic, secret war against the USSR. At the same time, the global mafia began to prepare a "reset" of the most western civilization. The masters of the West understood that their project had led the world to a dead end, beyond which there was a global catastrophe. What is necessary is to “reload” the project of a “new world order” (slave-holding civilization) in order to create a stable order and not die. Therefore, the campaign of intimidation begins in the West. They say that humanity opened Pandora’s box with the development of new technologies, which led to uncontrolled population growth, energy crises, lack of resources, environmental disaster, the threat of nuclear war, the use of weapons mass destruction and many other disasters.

A clear forecast is given that given the current growth rates of the world's population and consumption growth, humanity will approach a severe crisis at the turn of 2030-2050. The global mafia seriously thinks about its own survival in the face of imminent systemic crisis. As a result, the masters of the West and most of the world, not wanting to change the overall concept of living arrangement - vicious, unfair (in terms of Christianity - satanic), come to the conclusion that for their own survival and preservation of elite status and overpowering, it is necessary to destroy most of the population of the planet. To destroy physically, to destroy. These plans are openly voiced by Hitler and his henchmen, who want to destroy the “racially inferior”, “subhumans” in order to create a “living space” for the “elect.”

Thus, the global mafia realized that humanity had come to the threshold of a global biosphere-ecological crisis. The crisis is caused by mistakes in the management of people and society as a whole, as a result of the mistakenly chosen path of development of all mankind within the framework of an unjust immoral concept of living arrangement, where the paraditious and parasitic needs of the “elite” predominate, which corrupts the whole society and humanity. However, the global elite do not want to change their psyche, to be morally transformed, to follow the path of creating a just world order, where people live in harmony with God, the Laws of the Universe and Nature.

therefore Western masters are starting to “reset the matrix” in order to reduce management errors, but without changing anything in the most unfair concept of development and the vicious culture it has generated. At the heart of the plan: a reduction in resource consumption by reducing the population of the planet (from 7 billion to 2-3 billion, or even several hundred million people) by permanent wars, revolutions, uprisings, conflicts, hunger, disease, drugs, alcohol, destruction of human reproductive abilities, etc. At the same time, parasitic super-needs “Elites” remain, while the demographic needs of the rest of the world’s population are declining. In particular, hence the sharp reduction in the middle class in the West, it is no longer needed, as a "showcase of capitalism." Which in turn leads to riots and revolutions of the population, which are accustomed to consume at a higher standard. And conflicts are used to destroy and reformat the old picture of the world, "reloading the matrix." That is, all the current unrest, riots and uprisings in the same Europe due to the liberal-cannibalistic policy of the authorities or the migration crisis, or previous “color revolutions” and the “Arab spring” are all part of the general plan.

Part of the overall plan is also: redistribution of resources in favor of the global elite (the rich get richer and the poor get poorer); conservation of resources, environmental restoration; eliminating the possibility of a global catastrophe by reducing nuclear, chemical and biological arsenals, controlling technologies, especially the nuclear industry, etc.

That is, the “new world order” is an unfair, vicious concept of management, the rejection of creative development, the transformation of man and the surrounding world, the consolidation and stabilization of the existing position of a profitable global elite. It was not the rosy convergence that had been seduced by Soviet intellectuals, which was supposed to unite the economic possibilities of the capitalist system and the advantages of socialism in the development of human creative abilities. Western “masons” believed that there was a congenital and insurmountable inequality of people, inequality reaching racism and the division of people into castes of “gentlemen-elect” and “two-legged tools-consumers”. The Western predators, after the "seduction", planned to dismember and rob the socialist world, make it the colonial periphery of the Western world.

Intellectuals of the Club of Rome have brought the scientific basis under the need to abandon scientific progress, the development of human creativity. They substantiated the need for the sacrifice of a significant part of the world's population so that others could survive. They were ideologues of dividing people into two unequal parts: the caste of "chosen", super-rich gentlemen, who determine the fate of other people (profitable population) and slaves-consumers (unprofitable population, those who did not fit into the market). Here, the “golden billion” (the core of the capitalist system) and then the “platinum” 100 millions were isolated from humanity. Thus, the foundations of the current globalization, the creation of a “digital-electronic concentration camp” were laid. Planned physical destruction of most of humanity, the total genocide of people in the name of preserving the parasitic overconsumption of the "elect".

In Moscow, the Club of Rome was immediately appreciated as a possible partner in negotiations and cooperation in the future world. Therefore, the club's works were immediately published in the USSR, including in the popular press. On the work of the club held special meetings and discussions. Interestingly, in the conditions of the "cold war", the information and ideological confrontation of the Soviet scientists allowed to maintain close contact with the Club of Rome to participate in its work. Together with the Rome Club, the first joint humanitarian research institution was created - the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (in Austria). From the USSR side, the All-Union Institute for System Analysis headed by Academician D. Gvishiani, a member of the Club of Rome and one of the closest consultants Yuri Andropov, acted as the founder. This Austrian Institute for International Applied Analysis will later play a prominent role in the preparation of the “reformers” (destroyers) of the early 90s. In 1989, the Association of the Club of Rome was established in the USSR.

Channels of rapprochement between the Soviet leadership and the KGB of the USSR with the global elite were not limited to the Roman Club. Thus, on the personal instructions of Andropov, a secret channel was created for negotiations with the West German elite, primarily with W. Brandt. The other channel connected the Kremlin with US Secretary of State G. Kissinger.

Thus, by building secret and visible ties with the real masters of the West, who are above the power of national states, over international political and financial institutions, Andropov tried to embody his plan for convergence, rapprochement with the Western world. He hoped to make a deal with the masters of the West and thereby create the basis for the future world order. The participants in this transaction were to recognize several areas of national interest (a model of a multipolar world) and the division of the world between these areas. The result was a new political system that was supposed to change the Yalta-Potsdam system.

At the same time, Moscow (the Soviet elite), in exchange for joining the core of Western civilization, the club of great powers ruling the world, agreed to the rapprochement of the two systems, the creation of a world in which elements of socialism and capitalism would be combined.
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  1. +10
    14 February 2019 15: 10
    Quote from the cartoon "Last year's snow was falling":
    Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers
    1. 0
      14 February 2019 15: 28
      We got "tihushniki". They walk, quietly put a minus. No, to explain why they disagree.
      1. +1
        14 February 2019 21: 57
        Quote: solzh
        We got the "quiet ones". They walk, quietly put a minus.

        School of Andropov winked
        1. +5
          17 February 2019 20: 36
          Some garbage.
          I remember Andropov's time well. Patrols on the streets stopped people and asked why not at work. If a person could not prove that he was walking "legally" (show a travel certificate with a passport, or a factory pass proving that you were working on the second shift, etc.), he was detained "until the circumstances were clarified." The deficit was brought to the store (children's tights), and then there was a police raid, and why are you, dear ladies, at 11 o'clock in the store?
          I do not argue that he also pressed the bribe-takers and the trade mafia well (probably that is why he "died suddenly"). But the common people also stung. He did not manage to do things like Yezhov, but I think he followed his path.
          So complete nonsense in this article. When did Andropov share his plans with the author of the article?
          1. -2
            17 February 2019 20: 46
            Quote: Shurik70
            Patrols on the streets stopped people and asked why not at work. If a person could not prove that he was walking "legally" (show a travel certificate with a passport, or a factory pass proving that you are working on the second shift, etc.), he was detained "until the circumstances were clarified."

            This is where such horrors were happening, tell the world ... and if a person in the "box" works (Moscow and the region - all the time, by the way), and his admission at the checkpoint in the booth is waiting - he was also detained ...?

            Unbend and do not bend anymore ...
            1. 0
              17 February 2019 20: 51
              Quote: Consultant

              This is where such horrors were going on.

              In Kaluga. The real case with children's tights. The barber shop without the masters that day remained because the police detained.
              In particular, a patrol in Tula detained my father (to his luck, he had a passport and a travel certificate with him)
              Pupils absenteeism in school brought, made a protocol on them.
              I was 14 years old, so I remembered.
              1. +1
                17 February 2019 20: 59
                Quote: Shurik70
                The real case with children's tights

                "About tights" I, as it were, did not doubt.

                Quote: Shurik70
                my father in Tula detained my father

                I have never heard of "detentions". Although I was very much more then 14 ... about "a pass or a business trip" - I gave an example of why this, excuse me, is stupidity. For example, I had a pass that was lying in the booth.

                Somehow request
                1. 0
                  17 February 2019 21: 02
                  That would have walked several times at 10-11 hours of the day in the city, would have remembered.
                  And so we missed all the fun while standing at the machine
                  hi
                2. -2
                  18 February 2019 17: 33
                  Uhnya your pass in the booth. My lay there in the same cell. Waited for my arrival in the shop to 8.00. Only if, under Brezhnev and after his death, the workers, having fulfilled the daily plan or having completed the groundwork, went home, and on Saturdays and Sundays they completed the fulfillment of the monthly plan and received their legal sn, then under Mr. Andropov, from call to call, sit - no one ipet lack hurt the site. And if there was no groundwork within three or four days, the same thing - the slave of the day came to the beginning, left by the call to the workshop. Do you want to smoke, dominoes? Read it. Not ipat. And already when they give a groundwork - not the fulfillment of the plan - the usual sn will not be. And all days without a break. Without taking into account the time of leaving from work. PLAN GIVE. And go to all 4 parties. Under Andropov, the lack of assembly units was frequent. So shit this Andropov.
            2. 0
              18 February 2019 14: 40
              In Leningrad, this was the case, Consultant, I think that other large cities have not passed.
      2. +3
        15 February 2019 03: 46
        We got "tihushniki".


        I secretly plus slapped you. You can’t just settle because laziness ....? laughing
        1. +2
          15 February 2019 10: 34
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          You can’t just settle because laziness ....?

          laughing Can. You can not justify the minus. wink
          I had a bad day yesterday, broke ... feel sorry hi
          1. +3
            15 February 2019 10: 48
            I had a bad day yesterday, broke.


            Fine. And when I read the article I almost suffered ..... laughing And as he came to Christianity, Satanism and let go a little - I understood the essence of what is happening with the author bully
            1. +1
              20 February 2019 17: 53
              It’s always the case with the author - while retelling other people's observations and conclusions, citing facts, reading interestingly and informatively, how he himself begins to interpret and draw conclusions - it’s a shit!
  2. +10
    14 February 2019 15: 11
    Only no one planned to take ...
  3. +2
    14 February 2019 15: 13
    information offense?
    1. +5
      14 February 2019 19: 57
      Quote: izya top
      information offense?

      From the network. In a free retelling. For Samsonov it is usual.
      1. +1
        14 February 2019 20: 42
        Economic “perestroika” was a key element of Andropov’s program.

        So all the same, Andropov came up with perestroika. What will nostalgic for the USSR say about this? Andropov (KGB) ruined the USSR?
        1. +3
          15 February 2019 19: 36
          Quote: Nick_R
          Andropov (KGB) ruined the USSR?

          Well, we have not only Andropov from the KGB, there are other leaders ....
          1. 0
            15 February 2019 23: 38
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Well, we have not only Andropov from the KGB, there are other leaders ....

            Yeah. Chubais and Gaidar are also from this snake nest.
        2. Fat
          0
          16 February 2019 14: 12
          Quote: Nick_R
          Economic “perestroika” was a key element of Andropov’s program.

          So all the same, Andropov came up with perestroika. What will nostalgic for the USSR say about this? Andropov (KGB) ruined the USSR?

          Andropov could and would have saved the USSR. Only with another "Basic Law") Only national republics would no longer exist. Some analysts on the web, according to "reliable sources", suggest 49 regions, according to the type of provinces of the Republic of Ingushetia. Andropov even envisioned a multi-party scenario. In any case, the CPSU would have changed a lot and would have lost its monopoly of power unambiguously. I have a suspicion that the LDPR grew out of the Andropov plans. A powerful development of self-government was assumed. (1983 Labor Collectives Act). Serious changes in the economy were also expected, since private property would already be allowed. Something reminiscent of the NEP, perhaps. "Developed socialism" would definitely not exist. For the brevity of Yu.V. in power, contemporaries saw little and understood even less ...
  4. +13
    14 February 2019 15: 16
    The merits of Gosha Liberman are completely undeservedly left in the shadows ... a series of deaths in 70 ... (Masherov. Grechko ... and so on) ... Andropov scholars ... Chubais .. Glazyev ...
  5. BAI
    +11
    14 February 2019 15: 22
    The main problem of the late USSR is the lack of human interest in the results of labor. A person did not see the point of working well — he would not receive more than a certain amount at a given workplace, and promotion, as a rule, depended not on the results of labor, but on something else.
    1. +5
      14 February 2019 15: 32
      Quote: BAI
      The main problem of the late USSR is the lack of human interest in the results of labor. A person did not see the point of working well — he would not receive more than a certain amount at a given workplace, and promotion, as a rule, depended not on the results of labor, but on something else.

      So I think so .. in other words, we needed a motivation system, and in all areas ..
      1. +12
        14 February 2019 16: 48
        And why was another motivation system needed if it was decided to break everything? For broke, of course, the foundation was needed. This column of very advanced people created the foundations. Instead of working for a common result, they worked for a personal one. Having some kind of benefits as functionaries, they wanted more. That created the conditions. Having created a deficit, we received income. And if I am a private trader, I will be even richer! That's the whole logic of those figures. Looking at the past, you understand what children's thoughts they had! Although they wanted to become respectable uncles. To play respectable uncles they were given. But these children did not do solid business. And they couldn’t. Psychology of children. In fact, she remained so today, but the movement in the teenage direction seems to be going on. They already understand that the number of toys is not an indicator that they will be friends with you. For friendship, you need to do some kind of actions, show yourself what you are capable of.
        needed a motivation system, and in all areas ..
        Now sanctions have created a motivation system for them. Such a teenage boycott among peers.
        1. +1
          18 February 2019 14: 52
          Totally agree with you, Creed! Slowing down the economy after Stalin is a man-made affair. Khrushchev began, and he had enough followers.
        2. +1
          18 February 2019 17: 28
          Creation of grounds for scrapping - well said, right to the point. More precisely, the deliberate protrusion of such grounds. Andropov was anything but a naive "builder of communism." For all the professional KGB deformation, he had to be perfectly aware of 2 things: 1) without a fresh ideological stream, only by repressive methods, without the support of the masses, nothing in social relations could be normalized, and no one could be mobilized for development ("reaction" and there is a weak remedy, because it is a response to existing challenges); 2) as a professional "Chekist", he had to clearly understand that one cannot sit at the same table with the cheats of the "western plutocracy", it is impossible to "agree not to cheat" with the cheaters, let alone play in tandem with a dummy. And since it is obvious that Andropov should have known this, then the conclusion is unambiguous - he acted deliberately, worked just for the future "Gaidarites". Even from the point of view of personal sympathies - well, tell me, why did the "purely concrete" KGB = Schnik need to drag Gorbi-Yagupop to Moscow? For collapse only. Only for the fight against "leukocytes" in the Central Committee. By the way, there was also an attempt to stop these Andropov processes. It's a pity Chernenko worked quickly. This powerful old man of crystal honesty was a man, and he could not be fooled by the chaff of progressive management. In the article, even Shevardnadze is a positive hero - well, this nationalist tsar showed himself in all his glory. Let's also write Yakovlev from the Politburo into heroes. There will be glory to the moles of the world Jewocracy, and woe to the vanquished.
      2. +1
        15 February 2019 19: 44
        Quote: Svarog
        needed a motivation system

        and it was also necessary to develop the doctrine, prompt response, information and social experiments, but not at the national level and tougher competition at the top so that the party nomenclature was responsible
        1. Fat
          +2
          16 February 2019 14: 20
          Quote: aybolyt678
          that party nomenclature be held accountable

          Keywords. The nomenclature has gone too far Closed caste at the trough (Higher Party School, etc.) All the delights of the Soviet career near the special distributor ... Animal farm. "All animals are equal to each other, but some are more equal than others" (c) Oruel ... Lawlessness under the protection of special services.
    2. -8
      14 February 2019 20: 50
      This is the problem of any forced laborer, even a slave or a serf. How did the Soviet worker differ from the serf? Basically, nothing. In one case he worked for the master Ivan Ivanovich, in the other for the master of the state. In any case, your material well-being did not depend on your work, but on the "kindness" of the master. They really worked only on their personal plots and on covens.
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 14: 53
        And how is the capitalist different, Nikolai?
        1. +1
          19 February 2019 09: 20
          So if it makes no difference, why make a revolution? )
          Any economist will tell you that the longer the chain between the employee and the owner (the decision maker), the less manageable the system becomes, the more difficult it is to build a motivation system in it when the vector of interests of the employee and the organization coincide. From modern examples, you can look at the effectiveness of Gazprom: who steal what and what.
          On the other hand, small business cannot economize on scale; it carries additional costs. Therefore, each type of business has its OPTIMAL size. But the scope of state-owned enterprises is only clearly required by certain types of activity (Russian Railways), in other cases they are not effective
          1. +1
            19 February 2019 09: 31
            Nikolay! The Stalinist post-war period quite clearly showed its effectiveness (and this in the conditions of the post-war devastation). The state successfully coped with the country's economy.
            I think that Stalin would go further in this direction: Group A is state concern, and Group B is private with state support for formation and development.
            Against the outflow of the most talented specialists from the public sector, systems of economic motivation for such people would be even more developed. And social motivation would be up to par.
            1. -1
              19 February 2019 15: 03
              The Stalinist mobilization economy has shown its effectiveness only in wartime conditions, when the pistol is the best motivator. On long historical lines, this motivation does not work.
              Stalin finally finished off the petty-bourgeois production left in the USSR since the time of the Russian Empire, driving the peasants into collective farms and curtailing the NEP and thereby inevitably laid the economic collapse of the country
  6. +11
    14 February 2019 15: 30
    It is time to understand not the integration into the West, East, South, but the use of their achievements for the benefit of Russia.
    1. +9
      14 February 2019 16: 51
      For this, the leadership should have the psychology of Comrade Stalin! He clearly understood the goals and objectives of Russia!
      1. 0
        15 February 2019 19: 48
        Quote: Mister Creed
        the leadership should have the psychology of Comrade Stalin! He clearly understood the goals and objectives of Russia!

        the more I think about it, the more I understand how truly romantic and dreamer Stalin was! came up with a dream and built a country! Instead of leaning as a regular politician on the interests of moneybags
        1. -6
          15 February 2019 20: 27
          Quote: aybolyt678
          the more I understand how really romantic

          "A romantic from the high road." As in the famous cartoon.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Stalin! came up with a dream and built a country!

          Not at all. He built (and before that he also came up with) a fiefdom for himself and until his death was quite happy in it. And after him, even a flood.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Instead of leaning as a regular politician on the interests of moneybags

          In those days, the USSR had a problem with this. The only moneybags in the USSR at that time were only him, Dzhugashvili.
    2. +1
      18 February 2019 14: 54
      У THESE one vector - to the West (though without us).
  7. +1
    14 February 2019 15: 34
    Tales from the author, no more .... Andropov if he lived longer, he would not allow the collapse of the USSR, but he would correct the economy, which lagged in some respects, but not globally, especially as the country's resources are the largest in the world.
    1. +8
      14 February 2019 16: 52
      And why, then, was he promoting the Gorbachev team?
      1. +9
        14 February 2019 17: 18
        Quote: Mr Credo
        And why, then, was he promoting the Gorbachev team?

        Jewish Wives Institute ....
        Since times, Nero has shown himself on "Hurray".
        In Armenia, this was especially evident in the 90s ...
      2. Fat
        0
        20 February 2019 09: 48
        Quote: Mr Credo
        And why, then, was he promoting the Gorbachev team?

        Wrong. Andropov would never have allowed a departure from the basic ideology, let alone outrageous "glasnost". He relied on the improvement of the theory of socialist construction, the experiments were boring. As a result, theorists found themselves at an extremely low level of practical management. In the final, we played out. Not a shock, but a disaster. You cannot change any structure in 100 days.
        1. 0
          20 February 2019 13: 24
          Stalin proposed a scientific approach to economics. Gorbachev campaigned for the market. Between them, no one supported the scientific approach. Stalin either appeared early or ruled briefly. After him went theories and experiments. The HSE modern school has not been noted with positive results. But it was noted by the theory.
    2. 0
      14 February 2019 22: 26
      Tales from the author, no more .... Andropov if he lived longer, he would not allow the collapse of the USSR, but he would correct the economy, which lagged in some respects, but not globally, especially as the country's resources are the largest in the world.
      I agree, I have not tried such a salad of gag and freethinking facts belay
    3. 0
      15 February 2019 19: 58
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Andropov, if he lived longer, he would not allow the collapse of the USSR

      to prevent the collapse of the country, it’s enough to just be a good KGB leader and not a careerist, to know Marx. Working in the KGB, it was possible to compare two systems without an ideological filter, it was possible to create an alternative analytical department, to conduct experiments. Dogmatization destroyed the USSR, national republics destroyed the USSR, that Andropov did not know this? His contacts with the Club of Rome prove that somewhere deep down in his soul he was a secret pervert, and specialists from the Club of Rome can work with such people!
      1. Fat
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        20 February 2019 10: 01
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Dogmatization destroyed the USSR, national republics destroyed the USSR, that Andropov did not know this?

        I knew. After Suslov, YuV also supervised the ideological sector with the utmost rigidity. Nat. the republic was supposed to be brought to naught with an emphasis on representation from the population and the product produced. For 1989, all the republics, except for the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, were "donors" of the budget. Moreover, Ukraine became a donor only after the complete recovery of NH after the Second World War.
    4. -7
      15 February 2019 20: 23
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Andropov, if he lived longer, he would not allow the collapse of the USSR,

      The collapse of the USSR, it is good for Russia and the Russian people. And universal grief for scoops.
      The collapse of the USSR was urgently needed. But not in the form, of course, in which it occurred. It is not clear why the ADMINISTRATIVE borders drawn on the map by the Bolshevik scammers today should be sacred. And be protected, as state ones.
      Quote: Alexey-74
      but would adjust the economy, which lagged behind in some respects, but not globally,

      Always lagged behind, and globally. It was only possible to "correct the economy" by carrying out a feudal revolution in the USSR. The same one that Dan did in China.
      And in the USSR, one person even tried to pull it off, and even before Dan. His last name was Khrushchev. But he did not succeed, and he even got off easy, did not get spanked, sent him to retirement. There were no more people willing to take risks before Gorbachev. And Gorbachev was already "working" with the dead. That is why he received carte blanche from the "elders". But his chances of success were only theoretical. Dead people come to life well only in the movies.
      Quote: Alexey-74
      eat more country’s largest resources in the world.

      Do not read Bolshevik newspapers before breakfast. You were simply deceived.
      In addition, natural resources, this is garbage. Technology is the secret to success. The more technology a country has, the richer it is. And natural resources are cheap. They are inexpensive. In the world of these natural resources heaps.
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        20 February 2019 10: 20
        Quote: andrr61
        Do not read Bolshevik newspapers before breakfast. You were simply deceived.
        In addition, natural resources, this is garbage. Technology is the secret to success. The more technology a country has, the richer it is. And natural resources are cheap. They are inexpensive. In the world of these natural resources heaps.

        That's right, Except for the incompleteness of your arguments. From the USSR, technology was perlted in batches to the Andropov arrivals. Copyright certificates passed through the office of one of the state. institutions.
        I don’t remember the name, there was such a “concentrator” of ideas ... An example, if our scientists had managed to patent the “tunnel effect” in the international patent environment. All the dividends from mobile communications would be in our, Russian, pocket.
      2. 0
        20 February 2019 14: 25
        Quote: andrr61
        The collapse of the USSR was urgently needed

        smoke a lot of something? Reform of the Party was necessary, and the development of teaching, taking into account realities. If the tops of the Party tried to build socialism in Afghanistan, it means they didn’t know Marx corny, because if society has not grown enough, then there’s nothing to be done.
        there was no system for preparing and selecting the party elite
    5. +1
      18 February 2019 14: 56
      If Andropov was like that, then instead of Gorbachev, Grigory Romanov would become general. Then, certainly, there would have been no collapse of the USSR.
  8. +6
    14 February 2019 15: 52
    It has become fashionable to raise the time or the name of Andropov for the Russian civilization. Firstly: he had nothing to do with Russian civilization according to the principle - he is an ethnic Jew (Joseph Brodsky, although he was a Jew, but Russian, paradoxically). Andropov has always been the lobby of Israel, and his strange and obsessive position of the need to send troops to Afghanistan, at the time, proves this. Secondly: read his "rhymes". There is definitely a question of the clinic. Kashchenko, where, by the way, besides the Central Clinical Hospital, he was treated.
  9. +10
    14 February 2019 16: 00
    It was Andropov who "destroyed" the entire Office. Purposeful and brutal. He made operas out of "Chekists", not analysts. Therefore, the 91st and 93rd happened. Under him, "specialists" ran after citizens to Detsky Mir, catching unemployed people (although all were from the building of the Central Committee on the "old"), although they could do their job. It was Andropov who "dragged" Gorbachev with his wife Raisa and Yeltsin with his wife Naina on the vertical of power. I do not know who shot Andropov, but clearly one of the golems he created.
    1. +5
      14 February 2019 16: 22
      Yes, no one shot at him, that you, as a mantra, taldychit one and the same thing !!
      The severe psychological trauma of 1956 left an imprint on him and kidney disease, from which he later died. Special groups of alpha and pennants were created under him, and comrades sitting in departments engaged in internal problems and dissidents who were created before Andropov caught people outside work ... and Andropov did not appoint Yeltsin as First Secretary of the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee and he did not drag him to Moscow ... you don’t have to pile everything together
      1. +11
        14 February 2019 16: 37
        "Office" has always been responsible for everything! "Alpha" and "Vympel" and their counterparts were even in Tsarist Russia. And Andropov did not appoint Yeltsin, he just made a situation so that such people would be in power. Read his poems. And one more thing: remember Chernobyl. And about the "Office" to publish the order of the Brigadier here? Or not? Fresh.
        1. 0
          14 February 2019 16: 47
          And what does Chernobyl have to do with ??
          1. +5
            14 February 2019 17: 36
            It is believed that the accident is man-made
            1. +3
              15 February 2019 01: 00
              This is not an opinion. I have a newspaper, local, Novosibirsk, 15 circulations, where at the top right there is a photo of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant with a meteorite (drawn) falling from the top a month before the tragedy.
              1. 0
                15 February 2019 08: 11
                What are your thoughts on this? And then the drawn meteorite? Indication for initiates?
            2. 0
              15 February 2019 08: 46
              Sorry, but again I do not see the connection between Andropov and the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant
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              20 February 2019 16: 34
              Quote: dirk182
              It is believed that the accident is man-made
              May 26, 1996 I remember perfectly.
              This accident is really man-made. Pre-experimented before the destruction of the RBMK core. The test regulations had to be fully observed, and not in places. Didn't have a reactor for protection from "fools" ...
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      20 February 2019 10: 24
      Quote: rruvim
      It was Andropov who "destroyed" the entire Office. Purposeful and brutal. He made operas out of "Chekists", not analysts. Therefore, the 91st and 93rd happened. Under him, "specialists" ran after citizens to Detsky Mir, catching unemployed people (although all were from the building of the Central Committee on the "old"), although they could do their job. It was Andropov who "dragged" Gorbachev with his wife Raisa and Yeltsin with his wife Naina on the vertical of power. I do not know who shot Andropov, but clearly one of the golems he created.

      Pure conspiracy theories! Yeltsin barely had enough intelligence to drag the area ...
  10. +2
    14 February 2019 16: 16
    Mr Samsonov sat and walked and listened about Andropov’s plans and desires to do such and such ...... matrix, international mafia, civilization .... and besides, very recently there was a similar opus from Mr. Samsonov .. Are you tired of pouring from empty to empty? Where are the links to documents, facts, interviews ...
    1. 0
      14 February 2019 16: 24
      The moment of transfer of the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR on February 19, 1954. Do you recognize the citizen on the left?
      1. +3
        14 February 2019 16: 33
        But it’s nothing that Andropov was the Ambassador to Hungary in 1954 and he couldn’t be at any side at the Crimean transfer event ... another fake
        1. +3
          14 February 2019 17: 01
          Oh really? And the idiot understands that Khrushchev has "three" heroes, but in 1954 this could not be. I'm talking about curating. By the way, something like something happened in Hungary at that time, when Comrade Andropov was the ambassador?
          1. +2
            14 February 2019 17: 05
            1956, Hungary, those events are called differently, but they cost the Soviet Union more than a thousand killed soldiers
            1. +2
              14 February 2019 17: 21
              How many Hungarians? Yuri Vladimirovich then slipped a piece of paper into the Central Committee: "Operation Фокус"At the same time, it is quite normal, I corresponded with the headquarters in The Hague ...
              1. +3
                15 February 2019 08: 47
                I don’t give a damn about the Hungarians, even those Nazi accomplices, for what they did on the Voronezh land they should not be forgiven in eternity
            2. 0
              14 February 2019 17: 31
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              1956, Hungary, those events are called differently, but they cost the Soviet Union more than a thousand killed soldiers

              I remember ... There was one Jew who, from his wife’s big money, imagined himself very strong, and began to criticize Israel ... because of this, people in scuba gear pulled him out of the boat and drowned him ...
              So, he used to be engaged in operational assistance to Soviet Jews ... For this, he called the USSR Embassy in Hungary ... :)
              1. +1
                14 February 2019 20: 51
                Well this is Eichmann! Führer and Goering, by the way, listened to him. Although he was a Ribbentrop man ... And the phrase "was engaged in operational assistance to Soviet Jews ..." I think the joke, although he was doing this ... For what Mossad said a whole volume of interrogations ....
                1. 0
                  14 February 2019 20: 53
                  Nope ... The surname was something like Macmillan or Maxwell ... forgot already ...
      2. +5
        14 February 2019 22: 15
        Quote: rruvim
        The moment of transfer of the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR on February 19, 1954. Do you recognize the citizen on the left?

        Which "citizen on the left" did you mean? There are 7 of them sitting at the table.
        But on the right, in the foreground, with a beard and glasses - Walter Ulbricht.
        I was now interested in the fifth, from Khrushchev, a member of the delegation - Whose head was "mounted" on Andropov's shoulders?
        Yes, yes, this is a photomontage, and not the best. The 2nd, 3rd and 5th participants of the meeting from the Soviet side were replaced and swapped. The "halos" around the heads are clearly visible, especially in Andropov's against a dark background. And the proportions are not observed.
        In place of Brezhnev, Andropov was "pasted in" with extra hair and he looked like a character named "Squidward Tentacles" from m / s "SpongeBob"

        Probably it will not be very noticeable here (the site crop the photo), but here
        link to higher resolution without retouching
        https://sovtime.ru/assets/gallery/8/42.jpg


        And here is another photo from the same meeting. Pay attention to the order of the seated.
        With signature
        Moscow. In the Kremlin, a conversation was held between the First Secretary of the SED Central Committee, the Chairman of the State Council of the GDR Walter Ulbricht and the First Secretary of the KilCC Central Committee, the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR N.S. Khrushchev.
        In the picture; during the conversation.
        Photo by A. Stwin Photographic chronicle TASS 30.V-64g.


        So to whom, judging by your "photo", Khrushchev and Andropov are transferring the Crimea - the GDR or what ?! wassat
        1. +5
          14 February 2019 22: 41
          Bravo!!! But I myself noticed Ulbricht. But everything else ... Still, conspiracy theology is an exact science!
          1. +1
            14 February 2019 22: 53
            Quote: rruvim
            ... Still, conspiracy theology is an exact science!

            Do not forget to put "smilies".
            And then some visitors understand everything literally.
            1. +2
              14 February 2019 22: 58
              It’s just a man who fumbles with a nonexistent beard on the right, I knew him. He is a friend of my father. His last name is Kuskov. He is from Kremenchug.
        2. +1
          15 February 2019 20: 05
          Quote: Freeman
          So to whom, judging by your "photo", Khrushchev and Andropov are transferring the Crimea - the GDR or what ?! wassat

          +++ well done! beautiful! keep it up!
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      20 February 2019 10: 38
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      matrix, international mafia, civilization

      You are absolutely right, namesake. No document - no reliability .... Forgive the Almighty! But the elements of self-government of the enterprise ... Proposed SE. Experience was (experiment) ... and state acceptance was different ...
      Empty to empty? Time goes by Facts emerge. Emotions clog the gray cells?
  11. +11
    14 February 2019 16: 16
    Andropov’s role is incomprehensible, but the fact that the KGB has become one of the tools for the collapse of the country is unambiguous, at the time of his leadership there were the most high-profile scandals in the organs and foreign policy and everything got away with it, Gorbachev was Andropov’s creature, a very difficult person
    1. +1
      14 February 2019 16: 26
      Please name those high-profile scandals in foreign policy that you write about? And in the KGB?
      1. +2
        14 February 2019 16: 30
        Creaked !!!!!!!! And then Afghanistan was the loudest failure, especially since the 1980 Olympics were at stake.
        1. +1
          14 February 2019 16: 39
          What is Afghanistan’s biggest failure? And was Andropov’s only fault ... there was a war under the four general secretaries, and the troops and special services solved their tasks perfectly and well in the framework within which they were set
          1. +8
            14 February 2019 17: 25
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            their tasks perfectly and well in the framework within which they were set

            Well, yes ... They set a clear task for the special services - drug trafficking ...
            He recounted an eyewitness earlier ... Moscow in the mid-90s ... Riot police surrounds the Central Asian drug lords mansions ... and the Chekist general comes out and orders the cops to get out ...
            1. 0
              15 February 2019 08: 48
              mid-90s .... 6 years as they left Afghanistan ... but such eyewitnesses and friends of friends can be brought as many
            2. +3
              15 February 2019 12: 10
              Quote: Karenas
              He recounted an eyewitness earlier ... Moscow in the mid-90s ... Riot police surround the Central Asian drug lords mansions ... and the Chekist general comes out and orders the cops to get out ..

              There is a version that the KGB general and the Central Committee figured out a scheme for the traffic of weapons and drugs Afghanistan-Tashkent-Grozny and further with the transponders turned off and the call sign changed. For this, actually Dudaev was delivered. Dudaev gradually eliminated the extra link. Well, then everyone knows, the first Chechen bombing of the Grozny airport was some kind of strange cooperative for the production of motor-hang gliders for Dudaev in Russia, with the help of which Dudaev boasted of bombing Russia. All of this is sad, especially Dudayev’s statement to reporters: tell EBN that I read his documents before he signs them.
              At the beginning of 2000, journalists made a film about traitors, only the name of the traitor, surrounded by EBN, was not clearly named and branded as Judas.
              1. +2
                15 February 2019 12: 16
                I remember that in the year 95th in St. Petersburg they announced the detention of a wagon with grass from Tajikistan, I was supposed to be transported further to Poland ... The funny thing was that nobody was put in ...
                1. +2
                  15 February 2019 12: 22
                  Quote: Karenas
                  about the detention of a wagon with grass from Tajikistan, was supposed to be transported further to Poland

                  Once there was an interview with one of our commandos who took Bora Bora. When he was asked why there was a command to leave the object, he managed to find his words with difficulty: "The decision was made at the top ... so as not to disturb the centuries-old caravan routes."
          2. 0
            15 February 2019 20: 09
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            troops and special services solved their tasks perfectly

            yes, excellent! but for example, why was socialism built in Afghanistan? for Comrade Marx wrote that it is impossible if society is not ready for it! It turns out that the leaders did not know the basic theory?
      2. +5
        14 February 2019 16: 33
        Prague spring, Polish solidarity, Afghanistan, Arab-Israeli wars, the mass of moles and defectors ..., Penkovsky, Gordievsky and many others all during the leadership of the ABA
        1. -2
          14 February 2019 16: 37
          Penkovsky was in the GRU apparatus ... Gordievsky entered into cooperation in 1968, and Andropov became chairman in 1967 ... the Arab-Israeli wars ... and? The KGB just worked there perfectly, but the Arabs are such woks that no information , neither modern weapons at the time helped them, there is Andropov’s Afghanistan-fault, but it was a collective decision, despite the objections of Ustinov and the General Staff, as a result of the signature all ... Prague spring ... and? airborne and special forces and units The VD quickly put out this matter ... Andropov was not the scale of Stalin, and his sole actions and decisions did not lead to the results and consequences that ensued after the decisions of Stalin
          1. +5
            14 February 2019 18: 00
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            Andropov became chairman in 1967 ... the Arab-Israeli wars ... and? The KGB just worked there perfectly, but

            Where is this excellent?
            All the documentation for our air-to-air missiles was with the enemy, and they (missiles) showed their full vulnerability there ...
            1. +2
              14 February 2019 21: 58
              The P-14 was "stolen" when the "party and government" shifted responsibility for the protection of objects from the Ministry of Defense to the KGB. And the GRU generally removed ...
              1. +2
                14 February 2019 22: 08
                There is a lot of evidence, moreover, copyright - for example, when an Israeli citizen - in the 70s, a former military translator from the famous "office" VIIYA himself admitted in his memoirs that he helped (though like a goof) download the "hook" station to the "Chinook", I thought that it is "their". And rightly so, he now has a farm in Israel ...
          2. 0
            14 February 2019 20: 59
            In all these wars (and the Arab-Israeli ones were lost in advance), Andropov's "hand" has always been. When he became chairman of the KGB, all wars began to be "played out". ALL! None have won. This is history!
            1. +1
              15 February 2019 08: 49
              If you think Andropov is to blame for everything .... well, if so then the trouble is complete
    2. +3
      15 February 2019 11: 59
      And who else formed the "popular fronts", various parties led by their agents-informers, they also placed them at the head of financial flows, banks. The overwhelming majority of "democrats" left them, and it was not in vain that "democrat" Sobchak loved Vovka so dearly, but where can you go.)))
  12. 0
    14 February 2019 16: 41
    The author of the dung has eaten too much.
  13. +2
    14 February 2019 16: 42
    Problematic article. Or maybe the main causes of the crisis are of an earlier nature? We answer the question: How is China and India different from Russia? The solution to this issue will help to understand the problems of Russia. But only this topic is not for the uninitiated, dangerous in its consequences.
    1. +3
      14 February 2019 20: 34
      Quote: Yustet1950
      How is China and India different from Russia?

      The elites of China and India are nourished on their soil.
    2. 0
      15 February 2019 20: 13
      Quote: Yustet1950
      Or maybe the main causes of the crisis are of an earlier nature?

      undoubtedly. Mikhail Suslov, ideologist, party currency financier since the late Stalin. Quite by the way, interested in his death.
  14. +6
    14 February 2019 16: 47
    It is not unpleasant (for certain reasons) to realize what the author wrote, but many facts that have been revealed over almost 30 years suggest that the author is right .... sad
  15. +4
    14 February 2019 16: 54
    Jew Andropov created a system that eliminated the USSR.
    1. -1
      15 February 2019 11: 53
      Created by Blank-Lenin, symbolically.))
    2. -2
      15 February 2019 20: 14
      Quote: SarS
      Jew Andropov

      I do not like anti-Semites. ugly
  16. +6
    14 February 2019 16: 54
    I want to convey to all adequate members of the forum that the times of Andropov (by Fanstein's mother) as the head of the "Office", she was completely descried. Since the 60s, there has been a huge number of traitors (five of the pederast scientists passed), a huge number of defectors (they even passed the A-50, conception, at Sary-Shagan). Normal Russian writers became crazy or refuseniks. When someone tried to hijack a ship or an airplane, Andropov's "office" made them heroes, and the writers who wrote about Great Russia were kicked out to the West. Yes, I'm Solzhenitsyn. But Andropov's hand is everywhere. Even though He considered himself a Karelian. In fact, he is an ordinary Jew.
    1. +3
      14 February 2019 17: 03
      Is Solzhenitsyn a hero for you and a "Great Russian Writer"?
      1. +6
        14 February 2019 17: 18
        Firstly, he is not a hero, as a writer. But as a young officer (artilleryman) he went through the war, therefore, he is a hero, as a military man. And also for this "sat". When in 1983 I published (photocopied) the book "2000 Years of the Jewish Question" at our Factory, people came to me from the "Office", which was then fully supervised by Andropov. The conversation was unpleasant, but even then I realized that they were destroying the Union. Then I came across "Andropovtsy", both in the Army and in the "civilian" ... That's why I ended up in 1993 in the White House. And I do not hide it! And they are all now almost Bankers. Don't point your finger ...
        1. +3
          14 February 2019 18: 38
          Strangely, he somehow sat and wrote strange letters to friends ... We must see how his friends sat down after his letters ... And the book is called "200 years together."
          1. +3
            14 February 2019 20: 41
            I meant the book of Douglas Reed, and not the two-volume Solzhenitsyn ...
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        20 February 2019 10: 53
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Is Solzhenitsyn a hero for you and a "Great Russian Writer"?

        Anyone who fired at Wehrmacht tanks is worthy of respect. Solzhenitsyn is not a bad journalist. The writer is mediocre. Have you tried to "assimilate" his "black" opuses? The brain is not included, only emotions. At the same time, the artilleryman knew the weaknesses ... Inconvenient author, that's all. Well, the "friend" of the talker Gorbachev.
    2. +5
      14 February 2019 17: 19
      many talk about the suspicious activity of Southeast Asia. Of course, there is no direct evidence, but the persecution of dissidents and strange politics within the country (the heyday of the national mafia), by the way, according to the recommendations of Southeast Asia and the office, decisions were made to stop domestic computers and copy the American, sick general secretary in a state of insanity power, no facts, but the consequences?
      1. +7
        14 February 2019 21: 03
        When the decision was made to "copy IBM" Andropov himself rushed to the Central Committee and supported this proposal, although people from the Academy of Sciences were against and supported our school of computer technology.
        1. +4
          14 February 2019 21: 10
          maybe it was so, I heard a lot of explanations why this was done and they all sounded beautiful, the result was the breakdown of domestic microelectronics and computer technology ... but at that time the lag was completely uncritical, this strange creeping integration
          1. +4
            14 February 2019 22: 30
            And I'm talking about creep ... When Leonid Ilyich was informed that it was not necessary to give "bucks" to the South Africans (ANC), or to Arab nationalists (it is better to leave in the USSR), Andropov always intervened and persuaded the secretary general to transfer money. As a rule, to some private companies, to some accounts ...
            1. +1
              14 February 2019 22: 33
              it’s all right, but you won’t find any ends, everyone will get warm ..., the zoo is still the same.
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        20 February 2019 11: 04
        Quote: wooja
        many talk about the suspicious activity of Southeast Asia., of course, there is no direct evidence, but the persecution of dissidents and strange politics within the country (the heyday of the national mafia), by the way, on the recommendations of Southeast Asia and the office decisions were made to stop domestic computers and copying the American, sick general secretary in a state of insanity in power, there are no facts, but the consequences?

        Neither facts nor consequences ... Cybernetics was declared a pseudoscience by a cornster. By 1982, the Union was not inferior in the US element base. The problem was the availability of computer technology. There were no interested private owners. The nomenclature ruined. However, computer science, as a school subject, appeared under Yu.V., and IT IS A FACT
        1. 0
          20 February 2019 11: 14
          everything is relative ...., even under Khrushchev, the country's leadership clearly separated computer technology from cybernetics, and this term didn’t take root especially in the West, Khrushchev drove all private owners underground, Tiran Stalin managed to keep 15% of the economy in the non-state sector, many radio plants of the USSR were originally cooperatives and cooperatives ... but then they were transformed into state enterprises by Khrushchev ... such is the unsightly Soviet reality
    3. -1
      15 February 2019 20: 17
      Quote: rruvim
      In fact, he is an ordinary Jew.

      how can you say so! am they are all unusual! angry
      accusations against a person, politics, etc .. backed up by accusations of belonging to a certain nation,
      But they are worth it.
  17. 0
    14 February 2019 19: 32
    Article from https://news-life.ru Russian News
    Site IP 136.243.59.26
    Country Germany Germany
  18. +7
    14 February 2019 19: 40
    Interestingly, dissidents, such as Novodvorskaya, are beginning to praise this freemason. Like, smart girl and wanted to bless everyone. That's just, for some reason, his upbringing Gorbi, EBN and others, made a catastrophe, and they did not shine with their minds - foremen, panimash. IMHO, Chekist - just ... who destroyed civilization. I am glad that many here understand this, and even remember. Historians from Petrushka 1 Mad made the Great Reformer, and from Grozny, on the contrary, a murderer. I hope, from this traitor, making a hero will not work.
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 11: 49
      Not surprisingly, Andropov’s strategy does not correspond to the strategy of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and given that the USSR should abandon ideals, the result is logical.)
  19. +1
    14 February 2019 20: 20
    I read the article how REN TV looked. Fading hash. Horses, people, Kissinger, clubs, academic towns. It seems that the author pulled from various sources fabrications of the relevant subject and gave out something like a vinaigrette. Prokopenko from TV at the end of the program at least apologizes, but nonsense, but pumped with a finger, but we are not imposing, decide for yourself, the viewer.
    1. +6
      14 February 2019 21: 20
      Whats wrong with that? Who personally knew Yu.V. without "Tel-phenomenon" they did not hide the fact that he purposefully tried to introduce Western values ​​not only into the "office", but also into the thoughts of executives. He practically trained personnel for betrayal. He pitched communists against communists throughout the Soviet space, trained informers, introduced payments to informers, while inciting conflicts among the party elite, which later resulted in the collapse of the USSR. After all, Shevvarnadze is Andropov's brainchild, and so is the Belovezhsky Accord. Andropov's "office" prepared all this. And 1991 and 1993 and the Caucasus between them and then. And even the Brigadier, who cannot deal with the Chekists, who were "spawned" by the Andropov ideology of hypocrisy, and who are now with financial flows. Spit on any oligarch from gas or oil and you will find in him the Andropov "Chekist" or his offspring ...
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        20 February 2019 11: 09
        Quote: rruvim
        Spit on any oligarch from gas or oil and you will find in him the Andropov "Chekist" or his offspring ...

        Put + for a description of the consequences, and nothing more. Andropovskie generalization you have from a beggar from the porch ... hi
    2. 0
      14 February 2019 22: 22
      And I could not finish reading ...
    3. +5
      15 February 2019 00: 38
      Kissinger is still alive and goes to the presidents with the case to give directions. And it's not rent
  20. +3
    14 February 2019 22: 15
    By the way, our producers immortalized a typical "fosterling" comrade Andropov in the TV series "Gangster St. Petersburg". It was Obnorsky. Film is not books. In the books, Obnorsky "translator" was a Chekist, he knew Farsi and Hebrew, and "war of attrition" prokokokal "P-14" and made friends with a Jewish intelligence officer, mistaking him for an Arab officer. Here is the history of the Andropov KGB.
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  22. +6
    14 February 2019 22: 23
    By the way, there were always normal people in the "office". For example from HOSU. When the democrats in 1991, with the connivance of the "office" that allegedly "burned" the documents, dragged Felix away, the men and I found a cable in the Yakov Moiseevich was removed in retaliation. One day. For "Iron Felix". But there were about ten of us from the office, all the management ran away ...
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 11: 45
      I will say more, they are even there now.))
  23. -2
    14 February 2019 22: 46
    As an Israeli I love such articles. The number of Zionists in the Soviet government almost exceeded their number in Israel. And the KGB was so simply the district branch of the Mossad.
    1. +1
      14 February 2019 23: 02
      But this is true and history. After all, no one disputes that all the "KGB" leaders after the Pole Dzerzhinsky were Jews.
  24. +1
    15 February 2019 00: 32
    There was nothing to turn off the Stalinist road into the ditch. Under the current USSR, I would now drink coffee in the orbit of Jupiter.
    1. -3
      15 February 2019 00: 42
      Quote: Valdemar
      There was nothing to turn off the Stalinist road into the ditch. Under the current USSR, I would now drink coffee in the orbit of Jupiter.

      "Jupiter's Orbit"? Hmm. I don’t think the IT camp anywhere near Vorkuta was called that.
      A swamp slush can be called coffee. And tea is also possible. Why not dream?
      1. +1
        15 February 2019 21: 43
        Perhaps you drank swamp mud, and I drank GOOD tea from Georgia and Indian "with an elephant". I personally liked Georgian, and my father grumbled that the nicest was Chinese
        1. -2
          16 February 2019 11: 22
          Quote: Astra wild
          Perhaps you drank swamp slurry, but I drank GOOD tea from Georgia and Indian "with an elephant"

          Berry with friends also thought so.
          And Yezhov with friends, too.
          But they were not even given a swamp slurry. Perhaps they would not have given you.
          Quote: Astra wild
          I personally liked Georgian, and my father grumbled that the best was Chinese

          If they drank Chinese tea, then there was a special supply. Chinese tea was not sold in stores. Indian even at the end of the month was "thrown away". But I don't remember Chinese.
          But Georgian was like grass. And the taste is about the same.
          1. Fat
            +1
            20 February 2019 12: 08
            Quote: andrr61
            Chinese tea was not sold in stores.

            Sold! and kam "Chatka", that is, a Far Eastern crab, the same ... There were a little less fish in the stores than in the sea ... In commercial stores ... A little later they would be called "cooptorg association" ...
            Until 1988, I bought beef tenderloin only there, even for 5 rubles ... but not a "soup set" of bones for 2 ... Indian tea with an elephant began to appear only in the 60s. Georgian black tea in briquettes is a powerful thing, somewhere next to the Chinese "pu-erh" ... There has been no such thing for a long time ... Special supplies? In every large trust there was a department of workers' supply, he saved up money - come and take what you want from the freezer to the sheepskin coat ... If in state stores they sat on chairs exactly - that's one thing. The consumer cooperation trade offered EVERYTHING, the motivation was different ... Not "according to the plan, the factory mastered the production of a size 50 coat made of black drape" ...
          2. +1
            22 February 2019 05: 54
            This is already on the verge of a khanate, and for this I hit on the cheek. Chinese tea was on sale, but in the late 50s. But in my opinion only in the capitals of the Union republics. So the elders told me
      2. 0
        20 February 2019 14: 03
        I'm allergic to anti-advisers. All that was badly connected with the USSR was what the people who had betrayed Stalin and his state program had done.
    2. 0
      15 February 2019 20: 23
      Quote: Valdemar
      Under the current USSR, I would now drink coffee in the orbit of Jupiter.

      Jupiter’s orbit is irrelevant, but a power plant on the moon would be welcome. Jumping from the moon is much more convenient.
    3. +2
      15 February 2019 21: 34
      I lived under the Union and I remember well everything positive and negative, but WE ALL understood the difference between science fiction and such. And your statement is not from science fiction.
      1. +1
        20 February 2019 14: 06
        I also happened to live in Soviet times. but it was his pale shadow. Khrushchev and other geeks destroyed my country. And Joseph Vissarionovich gave such a country an impetus and such a reserve and a resource of sustainability that they had to rock the country for decades in order for something to work out. And they wanted to be kings and gentlemen. Stalin wanted to deprive the party nomenclature of power and they poisoned him. And if it weren’t for this, I would actually be drinking coffee at the scientific station in Jupiter’s orbit and reading the news that the spaceship returning from the expedition to Alpha Centauri has already entered the solar system and that the MCC is already receiving the first telemetry signals from it. And also a small note that the USSR sent another humanitarian aid load to the starving North America. That's the way it does!
        1. 0
          21 February 2019 15: 02
          Did you dream of being an astronaut? What I agree with you unconditionally: the party-nomenklaturists were capable for the sake of power on EVERYTHING, and to distinguish Stalin is so
    4. +1
      18 February 2019 15: 14
      I fully agree, Waldemar!
  25. +2
    15 February 2019 01: 48
    without the intervention of aliens uninteresting ...
    1. +1
      15 February 2019 20: 24
      Quote: SASHA OLD
      without the intervention of aliens uninteresting

      enough of their enemies, why aliens?
  26. +5
    15 February 2019 11: 43
    Either Andropov was there, or the author, or maybe both.

    Moscow immediately appreciated the Club of Rome as a possible partner in negotiations and cooperation in the future world.


    If the Republic of Kazakhstan "brought a scientific basis for the need to reject scientific progress, develop human creative abilities", then this did not (!) Coincide with Adropov's strategy "to form high-tech corporations that, with the help of the USSR special services, were supposed to take powerful positions in the world market. ". There is no logic in the actions or in the stated!
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 20: 26
      Quote: Nestorych
      then this in no way (!) did not coincide with Adropov's strategy "to form high-tech corporations, which, with the help of the USSR special services, were to take powerful positions in the world market"

      the strategy was on paper for reporting to the people, and the tactics were flirting with the Club of Rome.
      1. Fat
        +1
        20 February 2019 12: 16
        Quote: aybolyt678
        the strategy was on paper for reporting to the people, and the tactics were flirting with the Club of Rome.

        I don't know how to understand. Strategy and tactics ... Tactics - from squad to battalion. Strategy from army to commander-in-chief behind 50 seals "burn before reading", what report? God forbid we will find out in 100 years if the archives stop burning periodically.
  27. +3
    15 February 2019 14: 48
    Antropov "thank you" for patronizing and promoting Gorbach ...
    1. +1
      15 February 2019 21: 47
      As I recall from history, Stalin did not expel Khrushchev from the Bureau of the Central Committee, what did he also promote Khrushchev?
  28. 0
    15 February 2019 16: 02
    anyway - integrated ..... what to worry now, the train left
    1. 0
      15 February 2019 20: 27
      Quote: wooja
      one way or another - integrated.

      interned - surrendered
      1. +2
        15 February 2019 20: 29
        a good pun --- in the case, but it's a shame that they leaked
  29. +1
    15 February 2019 21: 24
    The author probably did not study and did not live in the Soviet Union. It was only abroad that all Soviet were called Russians. ALL who studied and lived then knew that the Soviet Union consisted not only of residents of the RSFR
    1. +2
      17 February 2019 12: 47
      Quote: Astra wild
      ALL who studied and lived then knew that the Soviet Union consisted not only of residents of the RSFR

      RSFSR. Russia is not the RSFSR. The USSR was often called "Russia" because national states were formed only much later and on the basis of the USSR. And what is the pathos of your statement? I am Russian, I have never lived in the RSFSR. He considered himself a Soviet person and in this capacity was also a Russian. Nearby are representatives of different nationalities who were considered "Russians", but they also had their own individual national traits, sometimes pretty, sometimes not very. It would be swinish not to remember the feat of the Russian people who raised the "national outskirts" to the level that allowed them to create civilized states. Russian culture and tradition served as the basis for the development of many national cultures. The opposite influence has also been and will be.
      1. Fat
        0
        20 February 2019 12: 22
        Quote: iouris
        It would be swinish not to remember the feat of the Russian people who raised the "national outskirts" to the level that allowed them to create civilized states ... The opposite influence has also been and will be.

        Taking off my hat. Wise, balanced words. Thank. hi
  30. +4
    15 February 2019 21: 49
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: wooja
    one way or another - integrated.

    interned - surrendered

    I DO NOT GIVE UP AND DO NOT GO, AND YOU?
    1. +1
      16 February 2019 22: 37
      Quote: Astra wild
      I DO NOT GIVE UP AND DO NOT GO, AND YOU?

      I didn’t give up, I was surrendered, the system is in captivity. But I persistently buy Russian, I do not take loans and do not use a bank card, and YOU?
      1. -1
        17 February 2019 12: 34
        Quote: aybolyt678
        I persistently buy Russian

        It is, of course, yes ... It is over, obviously the case .... Only now "Russian" is a localized transnational. Including history.
        1. 0
          17 February 2019 17: 54
          unfortunately, minus
  31. 0
    16 February 2019 08: 52
    The convergence theory assumes equality between the USSR and the USA, Russia and the West, the equivalence and equivalence of the political elites of the USSR and the West. "Integration" into "Western civilization" is entirely impossible. Therefore, in reality, convergence means the destruction of the world communist system without war, the destruction of the USSR, the exclusion of the peoples of the USSR from world civilization, history and culture, the predatory plundering of the resources of the USSR and third world countries, i.e. the destruction of everything that does not fit into Western civilization, and therefore has no value. This is the "end of history".
    1. Fat
      0
      20 February 2019 12: 47
      Quote: iouris
      The convergence theory assumes equality between the USSR and the USA, Russia and the West, the equivalence and equivalence of the political elites of the USSR and the West. "Integration" into "Western civilization" is entirely impossible. Therefore, in fact, convergence means the destruction of the world communist system without war, the destruction of the USSR,

      China quite "converged" for itself without strong shocks (we will exclude Tiananmen Square as an attempt at an "orange revolution") So "fit" that almost the entire real sector is concentrated in the PRC ... Ideologically, at the same time, the country remained absolutely communist.
  32. +4
    16 February 2019 14: 13
    I don't want to upset the author. But is it not a sign of illiteracy to stigmatize the Romanovs as a separate "project"? The Romanovs had different rulers, there was Peter the First - that he wanted to turn disunited Russia into an Empire that others would reckon with. There were others like Alexander, who kept the status of the country as strong but peaceful. And there were people like Nicholas II, being good people, they remained weak leaders and politicians. This is comparable to the fact that to build an opinion about the entire USSR only for the period from 37 to 39 years. Or build attitudes towards Germany and the Germans, generalizing them only up to the period of Hitler's rule.
  33. -1
    17 February 2019 16: 58
    If only someone would say how people without VO got the KGB. And as the father of the prisoner, they made the Secretary General It was Lieberman who destroyed the VD and the USSR. For comparison, Sudoplatov - some kind of bump from ukrov.
  34. 0
    18 February 2019 09: 15
    "Soviet civilization has created a powerful scientific, technological, educational and economic basis, which, as it seemed, will allow Russia to become a full-fledged part of the Western project."
    Is this the basis when women’s under-floor boots were sold and vegetables rotted at vegetable depots?

    Who are these articles for? For those who did not live at that time and did not know anything? There is a reason for this, because those who lived and know are becoming less and less. As dad Muller said:

    Those who are 10 today, we do not need: they will not forgive us hunger and bombing, but those who do not know anything now, they will talk about us as a legend, and we need to feed the legend. We need to create those storytellers who will shift our words in a different way - the one that humanity will live in 20 years
    1. -1
      18 February 2019 15: 20
      Is this the basis when women’s under-floor boots were sold and vegetables rotted at vegetable depots?
      That was the idea - to show us all that socialism is a dead end. And after all, it was a success thanks to people like Andropov.
    2. +1
      22 February 2019 05: 44
      The author is "brave": Yu. V. Andropov died long ago. Socialism is long gone and there are no those who could give "an answer". If he is so "brave and smart," why did he not talk about this during Yu V's lifetime?
  35. -1
    18 February 2019 14: 29
    Andropov decided to work at an immeasurably higher technological, scientific and economic level. Soviet civilization created a powerful scientific, technological, educational and economic basis, which, as it seemed, will allow Russia to become a full part of the Western project, the core of the capitalist systemrather than its semi-colonial periphery, like most of the rest of the world.
    What a small man he was. The USSR, under Stalin-type rulers, would become the core of the modern world, and not a part, in the supporting roles. The Andropov transformations in this form, as described in the article, the West would accept under one condition - the subordination of our country.
    So do not glorify Andopov, he is the forerunner of Gorbachev.
  36. 0
    18 February 2019 21: 30
    Sergey Kurginyan has all this described well. Well, who else but him, the director of the Department of Secret Folders of the CPSU Central Committee, should know about this ....
  37. Fat
    0
    20 February 2019 12: 37
    Quote: iouris
    Including story.

    I support. One of my, a very literate comrade, said: "Peter I created the IAN by decree in 1724. Initially, only foreigners. How many of our chronicles have been stolen from monasteries and altered in 196 years" ...

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