Arms army will deal with merchants

Deliveries weapons until the end of the year will be transferred to the public procurement system. In the tenders will be able to participate and private business. Entrepreneurs would benefit from “investing in the defense industry,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin is sure.

“By the end of the year, we are introducing the State Defense Order GAS. We are creating an electronic exchange of services that are provided by the military-industrial complex, removing secrecy from a significant part of this information. This information will be available to private owners,” Rogozin told Russia 24 TV channel. ".

Part of the auction, according to the vice-premier, will be open. “For this, it is necessary to make amendments to federal legislation, I think we will quickly conduct them. I think that by the end of the year private business will have a much clearer understanding of where best to invest in the defense industry, and investing in it will be profitable,” he said. , expressing the opinion that it would be beneficial for entrepreneurs to cooperate with the Ministry of Defense, which receives stable funding.

In addition, Rogozin expressed the hope that the state defense order for 2012 will be placed in enterprises until mid-August. Earlier, we note, the authorities were going to complete this process until mid-April. At the same time, as the official admitted, the defense industry cannot cope even with the orders that it has already received. The plan is not implemented through the Roskosmos and the Ministry of Industry and Trade. The implementation of the state defense order is personally controlled by Vladimir Putin.

It is possible that the situation will improve after the modernization of defense enterprises. Up to 2020, as reported by Rogozin today in his microblog on Twitter, will allocate about $ 200 billions for these purposes.

Recall that at the beginning of May, Vladimir Putin spoke about the breakdown of the state defense order. "The defense ministry and enterprises of the military-industrial complex (DIC) did not meet the deadlines again. In general, more than a third of the state defense order has not yet been placed," said the president, speaking at a meeting on the issue of "On the new requirements for the Russian DIC."

As a way to solve the problem, the head of state advised to think about solving the problem of shortage of qualified workers, which, he believes, carries a serious threat to the fulfillment of the state defense order. In addition, it is necessary to start raising the prestige of the professions in the defense industry, Putin is sure.

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[scrack]

It is necessary to revive education, especially technical, it is necessary to increase the salary of scientists so that they work with us, and not abroad

[Tirpitz]

You are right, and attracting private business in the state. environment except losses for the state does not bring anything (unlike private traders) Privatization 2?

[nycsson]

I think that we are dealing with a systemic crisis, not only in the defense industry, but also nationwide! What caused it is another question !!!

[Ziksura]

Quote: nycsson

What caused it is another question !!!

Free distribution of enterprises into the hands of "effective owners". These people simply do not know, do not understand, and do not know how to deal with them on a physical level. What's surprising - put yesterday's university graduate as the head of a large enterprise, what will be the result?
This is me about the entire economy, and not just about the military-industrial complex. "Thank you" to Misha, Bora and Yegorushka (deliberately with a small letter).

[Yoshkin Kot]

Yeah, are you aware that the private business was engaged in the development of the new air defense-air defense station? and it cost much less

[755962]

Quote: scrack

It is necessary to revive education

And to start with kindergartens. Previously, vocational schools and technical schools were many times more than universities, because the country was industrial. And now that neither a university is an economy or management, whoever you ask either an accountant or a manager. The prestige of the human profession is labor. Where hard workers to cook?

[Neighbor]

Today, on the news in the morning it was reported that more than 1.000.000.000 rubles were allocated for the purchase of equipment only for research institutes !!!
And it will be ensured - Very tight control over their development.
You look - years through 5-10 - the USSR will catch up and surpass the inventions and scientific achievements! And so it will be - taking into account modern technologies of the 21 century.
Not without reason were statements about the adoption of weapons in the near future, working on other physical principles. All this - undoubtedly - is still the development of the USSR, it remains only to fit them into a modern base. What they will do - young specialists. By the way - recently there were tests of shells that create plasma fields in the atmosphere at any desired place. Who does not know - not a single rocket is capable of flying through a cloud of plasma in its path - for her it is how to crash into a concrete wall.
And if you create a plasma cloud around the aircraft - it is generally - like a UFO will be - almost invulnerable and will be able to fly at gigantic speeds, even under water. The same goes for missiles, torpedoes.
By 2014, they must accept PKKR Zircon - the killer of aircraft carriers - they wrote that its speed would be 13 Machs and a range of 1.000 km. + stealth maneuvering - all things. Many did not believe in such speed - like a rocket would melt. Here is the answer. How is this possible.
And such tests - back in the 80s were carried out in the USSR. Already there were considerable achievements.

[nycsson]

Quote: Neighbor

You look - years through 5-10 - the USSR will catch up and surpass the inventions and scientific achievements! And so it will be - taking into account modern technologies of the 21 century.

Oh don't make me laugh! In order for us to catch up with the USSR, not to mention surpassing even centuries, at such a pace !!!

[Ziksura]

Quote: 755962

And now, whatever the university is economics or management, whoever you ask, or an accountant or manager.

I didn’t work much in the education system (naturally professional), I would pay more for anything I would not leave. Now back in production. On this I can express my impressions. The situation is now turning point. Extreme sets have shown that the prestige of accountants-lawyers is falling. At least close the shop with these specializations, there are no applicants. Applicants are becoming more and more concerned about future employment. But it is more and more difficult to train specialists for production. There are many reasons. The main thing is that both in form and in content everything must be created anew, it is no longer possible to limit ourselves to a simple “revival” if we want to have a modern industry. The work is a lot, the money is needed colossal. And to start by transferring the subordination of educational institutions to the specialized ministry, as it was, and not the ministry of education. And those who want to learn can be found, including for hard workers. And more. Many young guys are already "bored" to wallow in the labor market or live in kolyma. Give them the opportunity to learn how to work well on a programmed machine with the prospect of getting a job at a plant with a decent salary and wait for a competition for a place. And the fact that employers are shouting: we need qualified personnel is far from news. It remains to bring everything together and arrange it into a system. Whether it will happen. Must. Or collapse. But the second is not necessary to anyone.

[Ziksura]

Oh and i love the cons without arguments What do you disagree with?

[Nick]

Quote: scrack

scientists need to increase their salaries so that they work with us, and not abroad

Stupidly raising salaries is inefficient. It is necessary to increase the motivation of scientists with a good bonus for positive results and scientific and technological achievements.

[Vanek]

This information will be available for private traders " and a likely adversary.

Part of the auctions, according to the deputy prime minister, will be open. and foreign companies will win them. Hence 99,9% of the marriage. You don’t wake the likely adversary to supply quality parts, products, etc.

[Eugene]

Quote: Vanek

This information will be available to private traders and potential adversaries.

For some reason, information from Lockheed Martin on F-22 is not available to us, BAE Systems didn’t bring its latest ship guns to the backyard of the Ministry of Defense, and Glock’s chief technologist didn’t tell Timofeyich what the spraying in the Glock-17 barrel was made of, what resource under 100 shots.

Part of the auctions, according to the deputy prime minister, will be open. and foreign companies will win them. Hence 99,9% of the marriage. You don’t wake the likely adversary to supply quality parts, products, etc.

Do you think we intentionally supply India with low-quality T-90?

[11Goor11]

It is about partial financing public enterprises by private business.

[itr]

As practice shows electronic tenders for 50% of such crap
That I just don’t understand how it will work in the defense industry
Once again I am convinced that Rogozin is from the same opera as the Minister of Defense
. very sorry

[LEM]

Schemes are being prepared confirming the proverb - "to be near the water and not get drunk?", Especially when there is this water for many trillions.

[zaxooz]

Why are you sorry? Does the erysipelas mean nothing?

[911811711]

Of course, how will they fulfill the state defense order when the industry collapsed over the course of 20 years, the problem is also that many defense enterprises are focused only on the production of military products, and it is necessary to create enterprises that produce both industrial equipment and civilian and military, and many advanced technologies In this case, those embodied in military equipment would be used in civilian and industrial products, which would make it super competitive both in the domestic and foreign markets and would protect production from collapse if the purchase of military equipment was stopped.

[wolk71]

Now all enterprises produce both military and civilian products. These are the consequences of the collapse of the union, otherwise the enterprises would not have survived, since there were no state orders, or were in miserable volumes.

[Armata]

Survived. Comrades will start making weapons. Instead of investing in enterprises that have experience and experience in the defense industry, they will be left to the unskilled and non-specialized enterprises. Do not forget that the requirements for military and commercial products are very distant and experience has been accumulated over the years. They will grab a grief when it comes to exploitation and again yell where they looked, who is to blame. It would be better if defense personnel were trained and encouraged by the people who go there.

[vorobey]

Eugene, it seems to me that to a greater extent these will be companies with state participation.
and with a controlling stake. Not so easy. wait and see.

[Alexander Romanov]

We’ll live, we’ll see, we will survive, find out, the sparrow thought, being surrounded by five cats.: - D

[Armata]

State participation, if any, will be only at the level of quality control. And when it comes to operation, problems begin and who will solve them? The products have been tested, adopted, and making changes is very costly, commercially unprofitable, this is add. time and resources, respectively, and money past profit. Imagine what all this will result in. It will be constantly like situations like with the F22 predator, when the price is declared, the wazard is unfinished and the price starts to rise due to the solution of these problems, and supply contracts are already concluded and the loot is determined, the result is a loss of the sales market, image and dough. The most obvious example.

[vorobey]

men, and where are the specialists who used to work in Diamond, on Izhmash, etc. where are these designers, and thanks to whom the scorpion, swift, etc. appeared.
and so to some extent this will spur 100% of the state-owned company. Invest grandmother and not pay bonuses to yourself.

[nycsson]

Quote: vorobey

and so to some extent this will spur 100% of the state-owned company. Invest grandmother and not pay bonuses to yourself.

Maybe enough experiments !!!

[vorobey]

Quote: nycsson

nycsson

I have an opinion Fuck you dispute

[nycsson]

Quote: vorobey

I have an opinion Fuck you dispute

Yes, no questions! I respect your opinion and I’m not going to dispute!

[TekhnarMAF]

Alexander RomanovNothing to add!

[nycsson]

The General Staff is thinking of returning to the officer management the posts that sergeants have recently occupied. According to sources in the army, the latter could not cope with the task assigned to them and jeopardized the combat effectiveness of the units. This information was expected to provoke a new portion of criticism of the military department.

In the armed forces, more than 5 thousand sergeant posts are expected to be reassigned to the officer category, Interfax reported on Wednesday, citing a source familiar with the situation.

“It came to the point that in recent years the brigades of the Russian army could not maintain their combat readiness armored and automotive vehicles”
“The General Staff, together with the Main Directorate of Personnel of the Ministry of Defense, is considering the issue of transferring a number of sergeant posts to the category of officers. These primary command posts will primarily be assigned to graduates of military schools who are completing their studies this year, as well as those young officers who now serve in sergeant posts. The total number of sergeant posts that will be transferred to officers is over 5 thousand, ”the source said.

According to him, “in fact, the General Staff recognized as erroneous, although it does not advertise this, the transfer in 2009 of the primary officer positions in the platoon-battalion link, as well as in the security and technical services of the types and types of troops as sergeants.”

“It came to the point that in recent years, the Russian army’s brigades could not maintain their combat readiness in armored and automotive vehicles. After all, not only contract sergeants, but also military sergeants who had neither specialized technical education, nor experience in working with equipment, were in the positions of company technicians, fuel and lubricant services, ”the source noted.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: nycsson

The General Staff is thinking of returning to the officer management the posts that sergeants have recently occupied.

I have no words ......
The transition to the Army on a professional basis began with the layoffs of officers and warrant officers (warrant officers from the Army were removed altogether) and the emphasis was on people who had served the year and expressed a desire to still serve. In general, a military man who has been taught to fight for 5 years is not a professional, but a year old, who is already a pro.
Now eyes have opened - they were mistaken .... It would not be possible to attract officers who have colossal combat experience and it is not clear why they were laid off, so no, we have to learn from scratch ....
Looks like literate warriors in the Army today is not the place.
God, when will these undertakers be removed from the Defense Ministry ?! .....

[vorobey]

Sanya. you have increased aggression observed.

[Alexander Romanov]

Sasha, my wife broke Gloria yesterday. The second day I walk, happy.

[vorobey]

Yes, and to hell with a piece of iron. wife is more expensive. But now you can rightfully turn to her - dear! Take the seven cheaply and it’s not a pity to rotate. There is no Kamaz, but the Mercians give way. Probably respected.

[Alexander Romanov]

Expensive?! She’s already beating a third car. coffee in bed in the morning dragged. He will ride a bicycle.

[Armata]

Sasha, don’t swear. It was she who gave you an 2 gift right away 1. Calm 2. Beer after work in a cafe.

[vorobey]

and surely a sea of ​​love. Rejoice, not grumble.

[Alexander Romanov]

Zhenya, calm, yes, no-brandy beer. Sasha, love, oh yeah.

[nycsson]

Sivkov believes that Russia needs a sergeant corps, while its functions need to be clearly defined. The expert recalled that in the Soviet Union and later in Russia there was an institution of ensigns, which had recently been disbanded.

As VZGLYAD newspaper reported, from December 1 of 2009 of the year, an experiment began in Russia on the training of professional sergeants. The current sergeants, who, according to the authors of the military reform, should replace the corps of warrant officers, are trained not within six months in the training units, as before, but according to three-year programs in military schools.

The first graduation will be made by the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School named after Army General Margelov, where future army blue-collar students are currently studying. The term of study of cadets at the "sergeant" faculty is two years and ten months. The first graduation of professional sergeants will take place as early as 2012.

Sivkov noted that even under the condition that many sergeant posts would be returned to officers, graduates of this faculty will find application in the army, where there is currently a shortage of sergeants.

In March this year, the commander of the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces), Lieutenant General Vladimir Shamanov, announced that in the near future the vertical of the sergeant corps would be built in the Russian army, which would stretch from the adviser to the Minister of Defense to the lower ranks of the sergeant. And if according to the old system the highest step in the sergeant’s career is the foreman of a company, then in the future junior commanders will be able to count on rising to the position of master sergeant, which will be one for all the armed forces.

According to him, in the Russian army, within the framework of the new vertical, sergeants will receive a status similar to the blue-collar workers in the USA.

“In essence, these are managers who will be between officers and rank-and-file personnel, capable of making decisions on a unit and single soldier scale,” explained the commander of the Airborne Forces.

Recall that in the Soviet and then in the Russian army, sergeants were either trained for six months in special sergeant schools, which were selected at the draft stage, or the sergeant's epaulettes received, on the recommendation of the officer, a soldier who had authority among his colleagues and a penchant for military service .

[nycsson]

“This is an additional confirmation that the Russian top military leadership does not have a clear strategy for the development of the armed forces. And in general, apparently, he does not quite understand what it controls, ”said Konstantin Sivkov, First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, to the newspaper VZGLYAD.


“I will give you examples. At the end of 2010, I had to comment on the absolutely unacceptable idea (of the military leadership) that the armed forces should be staffed only by contract soldiers. Three months passed, and in February of next year, Mr. Makarov (General Staff Chief Nikolai Makarov - approx. LOOK) already announced that Russia needed to switch to a purely draft army. This is unacceptable because it must be of mixed type. And finally, in September 2011, we were already discussing Makarov’s new statement on the transition to a purely contract army. You can’t change the approach to manning three times in one year! ”Says the expert.

“First they talked about the need to fire thousands of officers. Six months later, when the dismissal was successfully carried out, the military leadership announced that it was necessary to return to the service of 70 thousand officers. Are the mistakes too big? ”He continues

“First we are told that we need to build aircraft carriers. They are laid in the armament program. Then they say that we do not need them. In the 2008-2009 years, we are told that it is necessary to develop armored forces. Makarov then enthusiastically talks about the T-90 tanks. Then they say: we do not need them. First, the current president in his article says that the armed forces will be equipped with domestic equipment; “Lynx” cars manufactured by the Italian company IVECO are on the Victory Parade, ”says the expert.

“At first, they reduced the officer’s posts, many officers were forced to transfer to sergeant posts or quit — today these sergeant posts are made officer,” he emphasized.

“In my opinion, such people have no place in the Ministry of Defense. I believe that such throwing is a state crime and the Prosecutor General’s Office should deal with people who do this, ”he said.


“People who are engaged in these things do not have not only a clear concept of the development of the armed forces, they do not even have elementary intelligence,” said Sivkov. In his opinion, in their actions the military authorities are guided by the principles of "let's try, maybe something will work out." At the same time, the expert believes, "the Ministry of Defense, due to insufficient training and intelligence, is unable to accept all the reasonable advice that the expert community issues."

[sergey69]

Commersants have already managed to prove themselves - an armored car Scorpio, a Swift pistol, an Oriss rifle.

[Hey]

Add "Voronezh" radar

[Samsebenaum]

Quote: "As a solution to the problem, the head of state advised to think about solving the problem of the shortage of skilled workers, which, he believes, poses a serious threat to the implementation of the state defense order. In addition, it is necessary to start increasing the prestige of professions in the defense industry, Putin is sure."

Previously, these thoughts did not come to a bright mind ??
Late to drink Borjomi, when the kidneys fell off ...

[Owl]

The State should arm, train, educate patriots and develop tactics (strategy) for the use of the Armed Forces. Attempts by the "authorities" of the country will disown the equipment and armament of the Army, gradually transfer everything into the hands of a private trader (perhaps an enemy of Russia or a traitor), statements that the term of service will be only 1 year (for a longer period, a commander from an undecided young man will be able to raise a patriot ) show a hundred COMMERCIALS are in power, for them the People are consumables, for them only material values ​​are important.

[11Goor11]

You paid more attention to the title of the article, I agree quite provocative, but Rogozin essentially stated that the state will take part of the money for the manufacture of weapons from the oligarchs.

[Ziksura]

Quote: 11Goor11

You paid more attention to the title of the article, I agree quite provocative, but Rogozin essentially stated that the state will take part of the money for the manufacture of weapons from the oligarchs.

True, noticed. Note, the title is not Rogozin’s words, but the author’s imagination.

[esaul]

11Goor11,
Ziksura,

I am pleased to support your conclusions, colleagues!

[Yves762]

We have an example of a pendostan in arming the army from the commandos:
- quality - mediocre;
- price - not a fucking one;
- rasepily and kickbacks - in the best traditions of corruption ...

[11Goor11]

Well, what are you talking about, most of what was taken from the state by Yeltsin's command has already been returned to the state, and now what remains in the clutches of the FAMILY is taken away by various GBS methods. This is one of them "Do you want to work here? Share!" And it is called beautifully and democratically "Private investments in the state defense industry"

[Ziksura]

Quote: 11Goor11

This is one of them "Do you want to work here? Share!" And it is called beautifully and democratically "Private investments in the state defense industry"

And that such a version has the right to life. It seems anyway.

[pribolt]

There is a double-edged sword, in theory, in the presence of fierce competition, the quality of the goods increases, but with the desire of our officials to earn money quickly there is no guarantee that the best ones will be selected in the supply competitions.

[Hysnik-Tsuzoy]

I agree that the practice of holding tenders shows that, as a rule, they are won by the right companies, who have unfastened the appropriate walrus to the organizer. In this case, the same thing will happen.

[pribolt]

I’m talking about this

[AIvanA]

With this, the armament of the army with modern and high-quality weapons will end, the stool will not miss its chance, BRAVO sailed, and why the whole state apparatus was fucked up for uncontrolled price increases and buying abroad what they do not need?

[Odessa]

The businessmen will be engaged in the armament of the army — DO NOT turn the Army and the Defense Industry at a military speed at such a pace. In some countries, there is already such a sad experience.

[nycsson]

Businessmen will be engaged !!! Ugh on you !!! ......

[Magadan]

The article contains individual quotes from Rogozin, I watched the entire interview.
He says that the state, on the contrary, takes control into its own hands and creates a complete scientific and production chain in the defense complex.
Some things will be open to private traders, because some secrets are all the same "open secrets".
I fully admit, for example, that the same sniper rifles and other piece goods can be produced by private enterprises.
Moreover, he gave good examples with the development of electronics and the creation of laboratories for the production of a number of microcircuits, which will be used including in GLONASS and in civilian life.
He called the main goal of reconstructing the defense industry under state control to ensure guaranteed confidence in the foreseeable future that neither a large nor a small enemy would disturb us, but would know what they would get by their snot. This creates strategic stability. The next goal is the transfer of technology to civilian life.
Personally, I agree with everything. Historically, the defense industry has been a locomotive for Russia (remember Peter with his iron in the Urals). It was in the West that they could develop smoothly starting from all kinds of shops and bakeries, and because of global enemies we had to play big and start right away with gigantic projects.
If you can see all the interviews, the article has greatly distorted the essence

[esaul]

Magadan,

Greetings colleague and glad to have your comment. When I read the title, I immediately realized what comments would be interspersed on the thread. Guys! You are so strenuously trying to plunge yourself into the city ... but that the suspicion creeps in that this is a thrill for you! This is me about those who hastened to speak out purely negatively about the government's new plans in the field of defense. I also watched Rogozin's interview in full, I am glad that a person has appeared in the government aimed at achieving a qualitative improvement in the country's defense capability, and at remarks like "Look at your face," I want to see the face of those words. Rogozin, by the way, said that if you do not believe in the result, then you will not achieve anything.

[1d6e6d9]

when they talk about the admission of komersants to the defense industry, one must remember what is happening to her. Somewhere with personal interest and control of the Putin team progressed. A light armored full blockage. thanks to the swamp and derepaska which by the way give state aid. The question is why and for what. The defense industry should be clearly under state control. And all the stuffing the transfer of ownership into private hands is checking the reaction of the people to the final destruction of the defense industry

[suharev-52]

Talking about transferring military orders to private companies is a direct betrayal of state interests. But in simple terms - treason to the motherland. But it seems to us that such a crime no longer exists. Apart from the young nationalists, for whom article 282 was invented and who are so afraid of those who hold power, that they put boys for life. Sincerely.

[gordeew_alr]

These are the nails in the coffin lid. Get out ...

[understudy]

Not so long ago, they resented the fact that we have a shitty cloud of assorted tanks, which creates big problems in their repair. And this despite the fact that our tanks are still produced by the "state".
After the implementation of the above initiative, I can imagine how the Army will be armed with 20 pistols, 10 sniper rifles, heels of machine guns and all with multi-caliber ammunition. Beauty ... for a likely foe. And for fat cats, sucking on the defense industry.

[Rascopov]

Yes, there’s nothing to develop your own - we’ll buy everything from the Chinese for oil! :) :) :)

[mind1954]

Govorun bird is distinguished by intelligence and quick wits!?
By chance, twice listened to his interview!
Bravado is cheap and irresponsible chatter!
Just ashamed of our country!
They, it seems to them, brilliantly came up with a solution to the problem of engineers.
Students will learn and work on weapons development topics,
and the company will pay for them! And this, right, from the school bench!
Well, okay, I came to the lab after college!
So in our college they taught some disciplines better than
at the institute, although he studied at the distinguished faculty!
I'm not talking about practical skills! Not inferior in quality
to any worker, only in speed!
In the laboratory, there were half of people like me !!!

[understudy]

Some zaslanets put a "minus" ... but to explain his kneeling position in front of the undoubted wisdom and greatness close to Solntselikom weak?

... and somehow strangely, one and a half hundred "voices" disappeared from me. So I say everything correctly.