Forgotten War: Why Silenced Sino-Vietnamese Conflict

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17 February 1979, after artillery preparation, approximately 200 thousand Chinese troops crossed the border and invaded the northern provinces of Vietnam. The “First Socialist War” began.

The active phase of the fighting ended on March 16, the 1979 of the year, according to various sources, the losses of both sides amounted to 50 000 people. In the next decade, thousands more died in fierce border battles over disputed territories using heavy weapons and armored vehicles. As a result of the battle near the Spratly Islands in 1988, China gained control of part of this archipelago.



In 1990, Hanoi and Beijing, against the background of Vietnam’s withdrawal from Cambodia and the collapse of the USSR, began negotiations on normalization, and then officially restored diplomatic relations. Since then, Vietnam and China have been completely silent about this war in a joint attempt to forget the tragic chapter in relations between the two countries.

Forgotten War: Why Silenced Sino-Vietnamese Conflict


Despite the honest admission of mistakes by the Chinese Communist Party, the cultural revolution and its consequences are still a very sensitive period of Chinese stories. In educational programs any information about those times is very limited or completely absent. The film “Youth” released on screens 2017 of the year collected 800 million yuan (about 7,5 billion rubles) and became a blockbuster because of the 10 minute military scene.

I saw the trailer and decided to buy a ticket because I first heard about the Sino-Vietnamese war.

- one of the spectators, a 23-year-old university student, said in an interview with Global Times.

The command of the Southern Military District of the PLA has published its review, which states that any film that mentions the Sino-Vietnamese war will be subject to strict censorship. This article was later removed from the source.

Vietnamese leaders decided to abandon historical grievances and focus on political and economic cooperation with the PRC. Vietnam proudly recalls battles with the Japanese, French and American aggressors, but the battles with China remain unknown to the younger generation. In the history textbook for high school, the 1979 conflict of the year, or the Third Indochinese War, deals with all the 11 lines.



Tensions in the South China Sea and the country's growing economic dependence on the PRC led to an increase in public pressure on the Communist Party of Vietnam. Suspicions of weakness of the authorities, a series of anti-Chinese speeches, internal disagreements in the leadership of the CPV in their views on relations with Beijing have forced to weaken censorship.

The Nkhan Dan newspaper, the official KPV body, in March 2015 of the year called 64 soldiers who died in the battle for the island of Hak Ma of the Truong Sa archipelago (Spratly), "martyrs who defended the territory of their country from the Chinese invasion." The following year, 2016, in many settlements of the country, memorial services were held with the participation of hundreds of veterans and military personnel. On the 40 anniversary of the tragic events of 1979, the Vietnamese English-language newspaper VietnamNews published an article recalling the "ruthless killings by Chinese soldiers of innocent locals".

It can be assumed that changing the public position of Vietnam on Sino-Vietnamese history is a means to express its dissatisfaction with the behavior of the northern neighbor and an attempt to take control of the nationalist sentiments of Vietnamese citizens concerned about political and economic pressure from the PRC. China, in turn, continues to hush up history, in support of supporting the image of a promising partner against the backdrop of the growing military power of the PLA.
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  1. +20
    7 February 2019 19: 21
    And about the participation of the Soviet units in the war on the side of Vietnam in general, they don’t write anywhere? And meanwhile it was !!!!
    1. +14
      7 February 2019 20: 18
      And how much more we do not know and not only about this war ...
      1. +4
        8 February 2019 00: 39
        Quote: cniza
        And how much more we do not know and not only about this war ...

        Yes, we do not really know what is happening between the Chinese and Vietnamese and at the "everyday" level. For example:
        14.05.2014/250/16 in the province of Ha Tinh, 5 kilometers south of Hanoi, 1979 Chinese and XNUMX Vietnamese workers died in riots, which became one of the most serious incidents in Sino-Vietnamese relations since the XNUMX border war.

        Yesterday's riots, which turned into a massacre and massacres, occurred at a large steel mill in Vietnam, owned by a Thai company that employs many Chinese. The events happened a few days after the clashes between the Chinese and Vietnamese Navy, caused by the Chinese annexation of part of the Vietnamese territory.

        "About a hundred people went to the hospital last night. Many of them were Chinese. More were sent to the hospital this morning," Ha Tin, a city hospital doctor, told reporters by phone. Similarly, hundreds of Chinese fled to Cambodia to escape the violence, Cambodian police said.
        The PRC Foreign Ministry expressed serious concern about violence against Chinese citizens in Vietnam and called on authorities in Hanoi to punish violators of the law and pay compensation to the victims.
    2. +15
      7 February 2019 20: 43
      Right ... My dad was there - 1979-1981 ... Senior lieutenant. "Rice cultivator". In the military registration and enlistment office - "Soviet Army. Special assignment." All. Because of this, he was not recognized as a veteran of the database.
    3. +3
      7 February 2019 22: 44
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      And about the participation of the Soviet units in the war on the side of Vietnam in general, they don’t write anywhere? And meanwhile it was !!!!

      And the war ended generally quickly. Two combat sorties of a long-range aviation division carried out an imitation of a strike on Beijing and everything ... ended. Therefore, friendship is friendship, and the army must be strong!
    4. +9
      8 February 2019 02: 27
      This was not, moreover, the regular army of Vietnam practically did not participate in the battles. To the Chinese, the border guards, militiamen and military formations of the border zone were mostly coined to the fullest extent. The PLA then conducted military operations exclusively stupidly and costly - using methods of attacking waves, armored vehicles did not interact with infantry, as well as artillery. I don’t remember the data on the air force of the People’s Republic of China, but they either didn’t exist at all, or they worked extremely sluggishly, fearing the air defense of the Vietnamese, which had proved itself in the war for the liberation of the South.
      1. +5
        8 February 2019 10: 37
        Quote: LeonidL
        The Italians were mostly fully guarded by border guards, militias and military units of the border zone.

        All right. Because the main combat-ready units of the Vietnamese army at that time were in Kampuchea. First you had to get them out of there, and then transfer them north along a narrow road. If I am not mistaken, even ours provided transport for the speedy transfer. But while they were transferring, the Vietnamese border guards, along with partisans, seasoned in battles with the Americans, mowed down Chinese infantry with machine guns.
        1. 0
          8 February 2019 12: 41
          I’m wondering if the North Korean advisers helped the Polpot troops to fight the Vietnamese troops. After all, advisers from the DPRK were in Democratic Kampuchea.
          1. 0
            9 February 2019 01: 42
            We don’t know this ... But generally, the North Koreans preferred to help those who could pay their help with hard currency. Nothing personal just business.
      2. 0
        9 February 2019 19: 44
        Quote: LeonidL
        It wasn’t

        Perhaps you are very informed, but I served with participants in those events and in the very office where this operation was planned.
  2. -43
    7 February 2019 19: 25
    Why this article, similar to an enemy provocative throw. Gradually, VO turns into an instrument of anti-Russian forces, where articles are increasingly appearing aimed at inciting discord with strategic partners and other hidden tricks, which is tantamount to enemy sabotage ... In response to the article, the states had different relations with neighbors at different periods. Perhaps, after some time, we will forget the hostility with Ukraine and there will be no desire to remember, but there will be ill-wishers, and will remember and inflate in every way ... So with Sino-Vietnamese relations, at one time they helped Vietnam, and in another short period they threatened a little , because in a full-blown conflict, Vietnam would not have resisted ...
    1. +4
      7 February 2019 19: 33
      Perhaps the signal is in the paragraph that the site periodically has a provocative throw-in and, moreover, an anonymous
    2. +42
      7 February 2019 19: 33
      Quote: Vladimir 5
      aimed at inciting hatred with strategic partners

      Dear, you need to know the story. To soberly evaluate reality.
      When, in the process of creating its "great anti-Chinese wall," the United States begins courting Vietnam, you should not pretend that "everything is fine, beautiful marquise, the Americans will not succeed." There are historical grievances, there are great fears, and there is an awareness that China is not such a safe neighbor for Vietnam.
      1. -26
        7 February 2019 19: 47
        Lopatov ... Then the grandmother said in two. Vietnam itself is a great conqueror to its neighbors Laos, Cambodia, etc. (the history of Vietnam and neighboring countries, a collision with Kampuchea Pol Pota). Therefore, there was a lesson from China to Vietnam to sit quietly. Amerikosy take every opportunity to drive a wedge, pit (this article in the same direction) of the country.
        Vladkub, this is the provocative stuffing of this article ... We also have an example with Ukraine, a distant idea to set off neighbors and even fraternal ones in a confrontation in a war. and perhaps already an ongoing war (Kerch events) according to the strategic ideas of the United States. So it is possible that the Americans could pull Vietnam to their side, and this article will help them ...
        1. +25
          7 February 2019 20: 00
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Therefore, there was a lesson from China to Vietnam to sit quietly.

          It is precisely "thanks to" this "lesson" that China may well have big problems from Vietnam.
          There are only 7 countries in the world in which the majority of the population sympathizes with Trump. One of them is Vietnam (58% of respondents). The reason is Trump's open confrontation with China. And Obama was supported by 71% of the Vietnamese during the creation of the "anti-Chinese front" ...
          From such pies ... with kittens
        2. +1
          7 February 2019 20: 45
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          So it is possible that the Americans could pull Vietnam to their side, and this article will help them ...

          and are they now studying it carefully?
        3. -10
          7 February 2019 21: 17
          Do not translate the arrows, the Crimea is not squeezed out of the Yankees.
          1. +2
            7 February 2019 23: 16
            Quote: mehan
            Do not translate the arrows, Crimea is not squeezed by the Yankees

            Ukrainians squeezed in 1991, if the divorce, then as an honest partner give the gifts back and leave what was yours, especially since the population was ready to remain part of Russia.
            1. +4
              8 February 2019 01: 27
              it was necessary to culturally, reasonably, and leisurely diverge, like Great Britain from the EU, otherwise, when the USSR collapsed, they scattered in a hurry and in a bad way.
              Hence all the problems
              1. +2
                8 February 2019 19: 59
                Quote: RoTTor
                it was necessary to culturally, reasonably, and leisurely diverge, like Great Britain from the EU, otherwise, when the USSR collapsed, they scattered in a hurry and in a bad way.
                Hence all the problems

                The task was not reasonable, but unreasonable. Therefore, in a hurry. Suddenly Yeltsin changes his mind?
          2. +6
            7 February 2019 23: 52
            Quote: mehan
            Do not translate the arrows, the Crimea is not squeezed out of the Yankees.

            Sevastopol Ukraine has overcome - not ashamed.
        4. +9
          8 February 2019 00: 46
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          So it is possible that the Americans could pull Vietnam to their side, and this article will help them ...

          Why "attract" there? Yeltsin's "liberal" regime arranged everything ... in the 90s! Once a Russian journalist "shared his impressions": he went to one shop in Vietnam, and there the goods were entirely American! The journalist talked to the merchant and it turned out that the merchant had previously fought with might and main with the Americans ... in the conversation, the Vietnamese was "surprised" that the USSR was helping Vietnam, and now (in Russia ...) they forgot about Vietnam! The Vietnamese said: I would love to trade in goods from Russia, but they are not there ... but America supplies everything that is required and with a big discount! Now there is a generation that, due to its age, vaguely remembers the disasters brought by the United States, but constantly sees before itself the American "abundance" of goods at a reasonable price ... hotels under construction, supermarkets ....! The American "brand" begins to form! And Russia is dumb!
          1. 0
            8 February 2019 01: 37
            What nonsense, what goods from the "shop" are produced in the USA, for a long time in all countries all consumer goods were manufactured in China and Southeast Asia, in Vietnam
            1. +2
              8 February 2019 06: 25
              Firstly, about the "nonsense", do not contact me (!), Because I quoted only the words from an article by a Russian journalist! Secondly:all consumer goods are made in China and Southeast Asia, in the same Vietnam -so it was not always and not at all times! Especially in Vietnam, which after leaving the war needed everything!
        5. +7
          8 February 2019 02: 32
          An interesting tip is to forget everything and not know anything. ... Well, to consider the PRC as a true friend and strategic partner of Russia is at least a great Chinese error. Do not believe the smiles of the Chinese - they are worthless. Believe the Chinese maps where Siberia and the Far East have almost always been designated either as severed territories or as Chinese occupied by Russia.
          1. +1
            8 February 2019 05: 23
            They adopted the term "temporarily lost territories"
            1. 0
              9 February 2019 01: 43
              You are absolutely right! Memory fails.
    3. +21
      7 February 2019 19: 35
      Vladimir, what are you talking about? ??This is history. Regardless of your opinion, these facts have occurred, and they must be displayed on the site! !!
    4. +19
      7 February 2019 19: 45
      hi

      Why this article, similar to an enemy provocative throw.

      Perhaps after some time we will forget the enmity with Ukraine and there will be no desire to remember, but there will be ill-wishers, and will remember and inflate in every way ...

      History must be respected. And convey to descendants without distortion, whatever it may be. Worse, when everyone forgot, but there are those who remember and can use for very bad purposes. Never lie and concealment of facts was not saved. On the back spawn a bunch of speculation. And the work on the mistakes, first of all, in the minds of people, was never done.
    5. +9
      7 February 2019 19: 52
      I remember this period. Historically, we worried about Vietnam. What does it have to inflate, he was. And if about provocations. This moment is not about anything.
      1. +6
        7 February 2019 20: 19
        Yes, then we had very strained relations with China.
        1. +3
          7 February 2019 20: 46
          The USSR then acted rather carefully. Several night crosses crossed the northern border of China and ... stopped. Do not dig, did not hide. A few days later returned. A few days later the war was over.
          1. +3
            7 February 2019 20: 59
            Then there was Brezhnev and he competently taxed.
            1. -3
              7 February 2019 21: 32
              Quote: cniza
              Then there was Brezhnev and he competently taxed.

              "Grads"))
              1. +6
                7 February 2019 22: 23
                There was a lot of interesting things, now they are studying ...
              2. +2
                8 February 2019 02: 36
                Grads were much earlier - on Domansky.
            2. Fat
              +3
              8 February 2019 00: 36
              Quote: cniza
              Then there was Brezhnev and he competently taxed.

              Brezhnev was already in 1964! And in 1979 he was very ill, he was 3 years before his death, so who the conflict in fact "settled" is not known for certain.
            3. +1
              8 February 2019 20: 01
              Quote: cniza
              Then there was Brezhnev and he competently taxed.

              Rather, then Brezhnev was still.
              1. +1
                8 February 2019 20: 40
                You could say that, but at least he took responsibility ...
              2. +1
                8 February 2019 23: 42
                Brezhnev - was quite strong, not a personal muscle.
                1991 "How weak we have become. They let us into Iraq and rejoice in the Desert Storm." "In 79, the Americans tried to liberate their embassy in Tehran by invasion. But" Brezhnev was still "just mumbled: we will not allow war on our borders. And that's all. Then they got in with a special operation. It didn't work out.
                but the sick Brezhnev mumbled and that was enough "
                according to father
          2. +4
            8 February 2019 02: 35
            What connections !!! What a border crossing !!! Surround! You probably have never been to the Soviet-Chinese border, there are minefields, URA, wire ... on both sides. The slightest movement and opening fire!
            1. 0
              8 February 2019 16: 14
              I was there then)). The soldier. Climbed on URam.
        2. +5
          7 February 2019 20: 49
          Quote: cniza
          Yes, then we had very strained relations with China.

          yes not that word ...
          1. +6
            7 February 2019 20: 58
            Damansky and other matters ...
            1. +3
              7 February 2019 21: 11
              Quote: cniza
              Damansky and other matters.

              military supplies to Vietnam went by rail. through China. they took everything they liked
              1. +7
                8 February 2019 02: 40
                Exactly, on the Borzinsky railway junction, on Otpor (Zabaykalsk) we checked the picking, and the Chinese brothers simply tasted the most delicious slices from the Vietnamese, with kind sweet smiles and raising their hands, saying that this was done by the Soviet revisionists, not sent, and so on. Haiphong - dangerous, everything was bombarded with mines. Yes, and the bombing ... But delivered.
      2. 0
        7 February 2019 20: 44
        Damn, IN, do not allow me to make an adjustment. OO Have to agree. Everyone will know. https://topwar.ru/user/Vladimir+5/ Apparently it is. I do not understand the truth for what. But apparently))) an extra enemy is not a hindrance.
        1. +1
          7 February 2019 20: 54
          Pancake. ))) I was stabbed?
      3. +1
        7 February 2019 20: 48
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        Historically, we worried about Vietnam.

        in memory of Damansky and help to Vietnam. no one knew for sure, but guessed that not only did they help the Viet Cong
        1. +4
          7 February 2019 21: 01
          Then there was a taboo to talk about it.
          1. +4
            7 February 2019 21: 19
            Quote: cniza
            Then there was a taboo to talk about it.

            and not only about Vietnam.
            I went to the draft board at 90. there was a stand where information hung who I was as a veteran of the database.
            I was amazed, I didn’t know where the USSR was at war.
            it was a shock.
            and then I remembered. there lived an elderly man in our yard. as I now understand some kind of special forces. we called him "Black Death" Officer. he was caught a couple of times by young idiots. snot then collected on the asphalt for a long time. the number of idiots did not make a difference. so that's how he took out the photo. people in T-shirts, shorts. people 25.
            started to show. perished ... perished ... perished ... man 7-8
            Well then I thought that was exaggerating. WWII, he could not get through.
            and here in the military enlistment office I understood where those guys died
            1. +8
              7 February 2019 22: 21
              And how many heroes we don’t know are their eternal memory and low bow.
              1. +4
                7 February 2019 22: 25
                Quote: cniza
                And how many heroes we don’t know

                and we’ll never know about some ... ((
        2. 0
          7 February 2019 22: 52
          We directly helped North Vietnam, and that already helped Vietnam.
          1. Fat
            +4
            8 February 2019 01: 17
            Quote: Sergej1972
            We directly helped North Vietnam, and that already helped Vietnam.

            You have mixed up something. The Vietnam-China War began in February 1979. The Viet Cong ceased to exist, becoming part of the Patriotic Front of Vietnam in February 1977.
            1. 0
              8 February 2019 09: 10
              I replied in the context of the fact that the Viet Cong was indicated in the commentary, therefore, we are talking about a war with the Americans. Read the comment I answered. There we talk about Damansky and help to Vietnam before the events of the Vietnam-China War.
              1. Fat
                0
                8 February 2019 19: 20
                Quote: Sergej1972
                I replied in the context of the fact that the Viet Cong was indicated in the commentary, therefore, we are talking about a war with the Americans. Read the comment I answered. There we talk about Damansky and help to Vietnam before the events of the Vietnam-China War.

                received
      4. +8
        7 February 2019 21: 06
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        This moment is not about anything.

        How is it about nothing? Little Vietnam, seasoned in battles with the largest capitalist power (and the victorious one), is scouring the fish ..., the face of a billionth China. It is clear why in China they prefer to remain silent about this.
        1. -1
          8 February 2019 00: 18
          Quote: orionvitt
          Little Vietnam, hardened in battles with the largest capitalist power (and the victorious one), is polishing fish .., the face of a billionth China

          What are you talking about ?! belay And in China they don’t know! request Vietnamese and Chinese are still arguing: who "cleaned up" whom! wink
          1. +5
            8 February 2019 00: 33
            And in China they don’t know
            Have you read the article? The fact of the matter is that they don't know in China. From their point of view, even Siberia is Chinese. We know well about this, but the Chinese "know" about this. Everything that the Chinese need to know, or not know, in China itself is clearly regulated. I am sure that in the Chinese Internet sector, on the issue of the "Sino-Vietnamese" war, either there is nothing, or only "victories" are described.
            Vietnamese and Chinese are still arguing
            There was no dispute until China rose. Times are changing, and now China is challenging even the United States. And then in 1979, China simply received a humiliating defeat from Vietnam, and now, in hindsight, is trying to rewrite history.
            1. +2
              8 February 2019 06: 17
              Quote: orionvitt


              Have you read the article?

              I've read the article ... and I know what I'm talking about! Russian citizens also do not know a lot: what is going on and how is going on in Russia! But this does not mean that everyone is "without exception" in the dark! So in China ... there were meetings (congresses) of the military, party officials / civil servants ... ("closed / semi-closed"), etc.
              There was a "debriefing" and a "communique" for "my friends", for "foreign news agencies"! I myself saw fragments of messages for the foreign press, where it was asserted about the success of the Chinese army, that China withdrew its troops from Vietnam after the tasks were completed, about China's manifestation of "goodwill", etc.
      5. +2
        8 February 2019 16: 29
        We built the entire training course, and the political officer invited everyone to become volunteers, the time program was awaited with great impatience, the company commander listed the enemy's air force: Tu-16, Migi
      6. 0
        9 February 2019 14: 32
        Just served at this time in Vladivostok, the last six months out of three. Everyone then wrote reports asking them to send there to help the fraternal Vietnamese people. Some of the younger ones got there, in particular, the helmsman switched to a missile boat that was going there.
        We talked, through an interpreter, of course (they, the translators, lived on our ship), with the Vietnamese sailors that they received from the Soviet delivery team SKR (patrol ship). So they said that, they say, we’ll deal with the Chinese, not the enemy, but the Americans — it was serious and they managed it.
    6. +9
      7 February 2019 20: 24
      The fact is that you need to understand the true causes of such conflicts.
      And despite the similarities between the ideologies of Vietnam and China, there were, are and will be contradictions.
      Ideology is a screen for covering true goals and worldview.
      China is our neighbor. It doesn’t matter what Putin and Xi Jinping say to each other.
      It is important that the head of China really thinks.
      Our security also depends on this.
      China is not a toy state.
      This is a gaining dragon.
      And when he feels himself strong enough, he will begin to eat everything around him.
      What kind of partnership are you talking about?
      The army and navy are the most important allies of our country.
      The remaining participants are temporary or situational fellow travelers.
      We must live by these principles.
      Despite the fact that I have a lot of friends in China, even more than friends, I treat them like people from another planet.
      And I for them, in everyday life, just Russian. By name they never turn to me.
      And it flatters me, and I appreciate it.
      1. +4
        7 February 2019 20: 39
        demo ... Today China needs a partnership with Russia, because the USA is not jokingly powerful. And today Russia really needs an alliance with China, then NOBODY will already aim at such an alliance. Russia is not very "tasty" for China, the climate is too wrong, and the southern directions are more profitable. Do not forget that more than 70% of China's lands are empty or almost empty, there is room for them to expand at home .. Yes, in our Far East the problem is almost unsolvable, the land is empty, and the land does not like emptiness when there is someone to move in ... Here the problem is more of Russia, or rather the current Russian government, I will clarify, in fact of the anti-Russian government of Russia, because Russia is emptying everywhere ...
        1. +1
          7 February 2019 20: 46
          But I did not say a word about the need to break off relations with China.
          You just need to remember who you are friends with.
          And at the expense of climate and its unsuitability .......
          Look at the Yakuts.
          They do not remind you of anyone?
          And in China there are regions in which it is not sweet to live and work.
          In summer for 50 plus, and in winter for 40 minus.
          So the Chinese are not pampered girls.
          Alpine railway in conditions similar to our Arctic built.
          True 3000 people lay down there. But still!
          And the empty land of the PRC is not quite suitable for agriculture.
          And this is the most important thing in China - food!
          But the Far East is different.
          There is a sea nearby.
          And there is seafood.
          And without them, the Chinese are like without air.
          This can move them north.
        2. +3
          8 February 2019 00: 14
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Russia is not very "tasty" for China, the climate is too wrong, and the southern directions are more profitable. Do not forget that over 70% of China's land is empty or almost empty,

          It’s not smart to think so! I admit that there are "deserts" in China, but "the region is the region of strife"! The Chinese are quite "satisfied" with the territories of the Far East and Siberia! “You have to think ... saber!” (As A. Raikin used to say). And then, often, it turns out like this: some “rooster” crowed like a fool, while others pick up!
        3. +4
          8 February 2019 02: 46
          Do you really hope that the PRC and the CCP will lift a finger for Russia? They only understand their own interest. Mao clearly defined the position of the PRC and the CPC, "Sit on a mountain and watch a lion and a bear fight to the death in the lowlands." They will demand from Russia ... let's see where the Single Silk Road will lead. While they are quietly covering Kazakhstan and the entire former Soviet Central Asia with their economy and finances. So far - peacefully.
    7. +4
      7 February 2019 20: 44
      Quote: Vladimir 5
      where articles are increasingly appearing aimed at inciting hatred with strategic partners,

      Daman forget and not mention?
      1. -2
        7 February 2019 20: 56
        Russia fought with China in the 80s of the 19th century, there the war was wider, something, no one except our enemies will remember, like you, about the Daman conflict. The military conflict was a political step, not a military one, China put up ONLY TWO REGIONS, and could soon drive in 20 divisions. And no "Grads" would have stopped .... Distinguish the essence. They simply told Leonid Brezhnev that it could be done badly, so the entire Politburo was shaking for a decade, which China achieved with this show, but the Americans smiled at China with all their buns as a gift ... "Nothing personal, just politics" ...
        1. 0
          8 February 2019 15: 32
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Russia fought with China in the 80s of the 19th century, there the war was wider

          Where is it? Can be more?
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          The military conflict was a political step, not a military one, China put up ONLY TWO REGIONS, and could soon bring in 20 divisions. And no "Grads" would have stopped .... You distinguish the essence. They simply told Leonid Brezhnev that it was possible for a bad thing, so the entire Politburo was shaking for a decade

          Curious interpretation! Have you come up with? Very fresh! laughing
      2. +1
        7 February 2019 21: 07
        Not forget. In vain not to mention for the rest. We remember.
        1. 0
          7 February 2019 21: 32
          In short, the essence. For the perception of "exceptional", such all pounce on us.))) When I first heard, everything became clear.
    8. +2
      7 February 2019 21: 36
      what are partners ?! is it from a joke about wolves and a hare ?!
      There are fellow travelers, well, or among the common people "we will be friends against whom", if you do not know the phrase "selfish interest", then you are dear to the Gorby Witnesses ... because you have to understand that today we are friends, tomorrow we will not. For super-strong China, SGA, Mozambique, Zimbabwe are not in your interests. There is a law of gravity; small objects circle around large objects, when large objects collide, objects with a lower mass are absorbed, with overflow of satellites under the influence of a larger object
      1. 0
        8 February 2019 15: 23
        Woletzki ... In principle, everything is correctly stated, only when there are several large objects, the patterns become somewhat more complicated with influences, and are not so straightforward ... That's about collisions of large subjects, new laws come in, and self-preservation, especially to the extent of influence for large objects .. The world is more complicated, and the laws are subject to amendment for each case, each subject counts on his own self-interest and in the total results we get reality ... The topic is interesting theoretically and important for practical applications ... In fact, Russia is outcasts, wine more than our leadership (there are suspicions that such a situation is beneficial to today's essentially anti-people government). Today, we proceed from the basic needs of the Russian Federation — an alliance with the PRC for the next 20-30 years. Further, time will show the alignment and needs .. China, not a conquering country in mentality, here is a country of settlement, and the spread of influence, yes ...
  3. +6
    7 February 2019 19: 29
    On the part of the USSR, there were no troops in this war ...
    1. +4
      7 February 2019 19: 50
      There were or were not, but my dad wrote reports. Not signed ...
      1. +4
        7 February 2019 19: 51
        It wasn’t helped only by technology ...
        1. +2
          7 February 2019 19: 54
          If the reports were written, then a limited circle of specialists "advised" the Vietnamese comrades.
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    2. +5
      7 February 2019 19: 53
      Samara, there were no troops. There were specialists.
      In the Square of Glory this should be displayed.
      1. +2
        7 February 2019 19: 59

        Not at the Glory Square, but at the Memorial to the Samaritans who died in undeclared wars have all the names ... I don’t remember if there are any from this war? It seems not ... There were definitely no troops there, but I can’t say anything about advisers
        1. 0
          7 February 2019 20: 49
          The top-secret Shilka then underwent a baptism of fire in regime 5).
          1. +1
            8 February 2019 02: 50
            Did not pass. There, the Chinese either did not fly at all or almost completely. Shilka went through baptism of fire for the first time at the guard of Aswan in Egypt. The exam passed perfectly!
            1. +1
              8 February 2019 16: 28
              Shilok's 5 mode is a manual mode, used for fire on infantry))
              1. 0
                8 February 2019 20: 20
                Quote: ctepx
                Shilok's 5 mode is a manual mode, used for fire on infantry))

                Quote: Gavrohs
                Thank you for the article! But, why so little information. He always believed that the first limited socialist conflict was 1969.

                There was a lot of information - both in newspapers and on TV in the news. I remember an interview with a village schoolgirl - she was dripping to school, there was an RPG pipe on her shoulder, and there were shots in her bag with textbooks. They showed it over Vremya.
              2. 0
                9 February 2019 01: 40
                Fire on infantry for self-defense - no one in Vietnam for this Shilok did not drive.
                1. +1
                  10 February 2019 18: 18
                  If you do not know something, this does not mean that this was not))
        2. +1
          7 February 2019 20: 57
          Here is a list of our involvement in various conflicts.
          Fighting in and against China:
          - from August 1924 year to July 1927 year;
          - October - November 1929 of the year;
          - from July 1937 of the year to September 1944 of the year;
          - July - September 1945 of the year;
          - from March 1946 of the year to April 1949 of the year;
          - March - May 1950 of the year (for the personnel of the air defense forces group);
          - in the area of ​​Damansky Island: March 1969 of the year;
          - Lake Zhalanashkol region: August 1969 of the year.
          Fighting in Korea: from June 1950 of the year to July 1953 of the year (for personnel of military units taking part in the fighting in North Korea from the territory of China).
          The fighting in Laos:
          - from January 1960 year to December 1963 year;
          - from August 1964 of the year to November 1968 of the year;
          - from November 1969 to December 1970.
          Combat operations in Vietnam: from January 1961 to December 1974, including for personnel of the Pacific Fleet reconnaissance ships, which solved the tasks of military service in the South China Sea.
          Fighting in Cambodia: April - December 1970 of the year.
          If there were our specialists, then in insignificant quantities and in non-critical areas.
          The Federal Law does not mention them.
          1. 0
            7 February 2019 23: 57
            Quote: demo
            The Federal Law does not mention them

            FZ and can't mention everything. Such things are resolved through the courts (and usually quite successfully for citizens) by "establishing a legal fact".
        3. +2
          7 February 2019 21: 54
          Sorry, I wrote the wrong square name.
          hi

          And, mb, there are no surnames from Sino-Vietnamese. But somewhere, nevertheless, it was mentioned in the lists of our participation in post-war databases. Felts photo, felts TV report ...
          request
    3. +2
      7 February 2019 20: 46
      Countryman, de jure - no, de facto yes. My dad was 1979-1981.
    4. +1
      7 February 2019 20: 55
      Quote: Samara_63
      On the part of the USSR, there were no troops in this war

      but advisers could well have been.
  4. +1
    7 February 2019 19: 31
    Thank you for the article! But, why so little information. He always believed that the first limited socialist conflict was 1969.
    1. +3
      7 February 2019 20: 01
      https://topwar.ru/36490-kak-sssr-pomog-vetnamu-otrazit-kitayskuyu-agressiyu.html
    2. 0
      7 February 2019 20: 50
      Here is February-March 1979.
    3. 0
      8 February 2019 10: 50
      No conflict, war
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  5. +7
    7 February 2019 19: 32
    So we are very reluctant to recall, or even ignore, these or other historical facts! And they, like this war, were, as they say, words cannot be ejected from a song! According to the recollections of eyewitnesses and participants in those events, we need to display this in a series of documentaries. So that there are fewer white spots in history. ..
    1. +2
      7 February 2019 20: 49
      I printed a story about a bat on Pikabu. I can tell you here. There is very little of what Dad told.
  6. +2
    7 February 2019 20: 09
    "Why is the Sino-Vietnamese conflict hushed up?" - and there is nothing to boast about either.
  7. +8
    7 February 2019 20: 23
    The USSR secretly participated in the first communist Sino-Vietnamese war, concentrating strike groups on the northern border of China and preventing the latter from occupying Vietnam.

    China's revenge was terrible - 90 percent of the weapons of the Afghan mujahideen (including clones of the Soviet Strela MANPADS) in 1979-1987 were supplied from China.
    1. 0
      7 February 2019 20: 41
      And against Vietnam, they came up with a different way ... Khmer Rouge ... Each of those who died in the war against Vietnam was obliged to kill 30 ... Thus, it was said to the people, having lost 2 million. theirs, they would exterminate all the Vietnamese ...
      1. Fat
        +4
        8 February 2019 01: 43
        Quote: Karenas
        And against Vietnam, they came up with a different way ... Khmer Rouge ... Each of those who died in the war against Vietnam was obliged to kill 30 ... Thus, it was said to the people, having lost 2 million. theirs, they would exterminate all the Vietnamese ...

        In the north of Vietnam, a campaign was conducted to "cleanse the border" from traditionally Chinese immigrants living there (Huaqiao). All these measures led to the fact that by the end of 1978, more than 280 people were expelled from Vietnam
        On December 25, 1978, after the signing of the Soviet-Vietnamese treaty, Vietnam sent troops to Cambodia to overthrow the pro-Chinese Khmer Rouge government. At the same time, mutual provocations continued on the Sino-Vietnamese border since 1974, which became increasingly bloody. By February 1979, the number of armed provocations had reached 3535 cases.
    2. +2
      7 February 2019 20: 51
      China then made good friends with the United States.
      1. Fat
        +3
        8 February 2019 01: 48
        Quote: ctepx
        China then made good friends with the United States.

        China established diplomatic relations with the United States on January 1, 1979. It is somehow difficult to "make friends" in a month ...
        1. 0
          8 February 2019 16: 36
          So let's see how long it will take for the "president" of Venezuela, recognized by the United States, to begin hostilities. Will it meet the standard 1,5 months))
  8. 0
    7 February 2019 21: 01
    "why the Sino-Vietnamese conflict is hushed up ...." The formation of the author of this opus is extremely interesting.
    the conflict is described in detail and broken down, procrastinating one and the same looking back at stupid inadequacies is not worth it. an extremely strange audience is going here ...
  9. +2
    7 February 2019 21: 40
    I well remember this time. We were called to the unit on alarm. Party meeting. Submission of reports demanding to be sent to the conflict zone to provide international assistance to Vietnamese comrades.
  10. +1
    7 February 2019 23: 06
    I remember then on TV they showed blacked-out Chinese t 34, protests hands away from Vietnam. I remember an anecdote about this: a Chinese man is crawling across the border to Vietnam. He looks at a hefty Vietnamese lying in the bushes. , I will bypass him ". further crawls, looks, there are even more Vietnamese in the bushes. Again to the side ... then again the Vietnamese is even healthier, well, right under two meters in height. gets up, throws the machine gun, and with all his might home back to China .a Vietnamese shouts to him: -blop, but where are you ticking, you sho do not bach sho in front of you a live Hitnam?
    as I talked with the Vietnamese about this war, so at 87m. I’m asking you to fight with the Chinese, how do you feel about them? China is our brothers. I say they killed you. They answer, anyway the brothers
  11. +4
    7 February 2019 23: 25
    The USSR also participated:
    The USSR reacted with lightning speed. A group of 20 advisers and specialists on the main combat arms was formed under the leadership of Army General Gennady Obaturov. Already on the second day of the armed confrontation, on February 19 in the morning, the group arrived in Hanoi and immediately started to work.
    Among the list of military supplies for Vietnam were more than 400 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, 400 guns and mortars, 50 BM-21 Grad installations, more than 100 anti-aircraft installations, 400 portable anti-aircraft systems, 800 anti-tank grenade launchers, 20 combat aircraft, engineering equipment and dozens tons of ammunition.
    Soviet troops concentrated in the Far East, as well as the Pacific Fleet, suddenly announced large-scale exercises, which involved up to 200 thousand personnel, more than 2600 tanks and 900 aircraft.
    1. -1
      8 February 2019 01: 09
      The USSR also participated:
      The USSR reacted with lightning speed.

      Please explain the people why the USSR had to save Vietnam .... Yes, and at the cost of its victims ... I can not put the puzzles
    2. Fat
      +1
      8 February 2019 01: 54
      Quote: naidas
      Soviet troops concentrated in the Far East, as well as the Pacific Fleet, suddenly announced large-scale exercises, which involved up to 200 thousand personnel, more than 2600 tanks and 900 aircraft.

      After the signing of the mutual assistance agreement between the USSR and Vietnam in November, on December 7, 1978, a meeting was held at the Central Military Council of the PRC to develop a strategy for action in this situation. Deng Xiaoping, deputy chairman of the Central Military Council, was appointed commander of the eastern part of the Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region bordering Vietnam. It was decided to transfer additional troops to the border with Vietnam.
      On December 8, 1978, the Central Military Council issued an order to put on high alert the military districts bordering the USSR and Mongolia: Shenyang, Beijing, Lanzhou (Gansu Province), Xinjiang. The armies of these districts had to secretly disperse to exclude destruction in places of permanent deployment. The decree shows that the Chinese leadership expected a major retaliatory strike in the upcoming operation from the USSR and Mongolia. The Vietnam theater of operations, in the event the USSR entered the war, was considered as secondary.
      By the morning of January 8, the Guangzhou Military District completed the operational deployment of a group of troops. The concentration of additional troops in Yunnan was also completed.
      On February 17, at 4:30 a.m., Chinese troops received an offensive order. At the same time, part of the Air Force planes were sent to patrol the Gulf of Tonkin to protect Chinese oil platforms.
  12. -6
    7 February 2019 23: 37
    for the first time I hear about such a conflict and it is unlikely that they could remain silent on a large scale! even suppose that it was and everyone hushed up decided and agreed to forget it because revenge of anger and hatred will not be good for anyone; then you will raise this mud out!
    1. 0
      7 February 2019 23: 43
      Quote: HMR333
      for the first time I hear about such a conflict and it is unlikely that they could remain silent on a large scale!


      Politics, like the East, is a delicate matter ... Alas ... Sometimes, it’s easier to not recognize your officers — it’s more profitable ...
    2. +2
      8 February 2019 12: 39
      It’s strange. A lot was written about him in the Soviet era, and now it is full of materials. Your history teachers were kind of weird. In the course of recent history, they should at least give information.
  13. +3
    7 February 2019 23: 39
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    Perhaps after some time we will forget and enmity with Ukraine and there will be no desire to remember, but there will be ill-wishers, and they will remember and inflate in every way

    Oh! And remember, say .. and inflate? Enemies? But he forgot, soaring, about the saying: Whoever forgets - two eyes out there?
    You poor lady - HISTORY. Who is not lazy everyone uses you. And you are silent and only bitterly take revenge on your forgetful descendants.
    Yes, and about the time "forgotten" ghouls Bandera, who are now considered by some to be innocent victims of the Stalinist NKVD ... and about how the American, French and Polish zholnezh liberated the unfortunate German people from the Nazi invaders ... and only the evil Stalin I put sticks in the wheels. But despite his intrigues, American heroes raised the flag of the victory of democracy over the defeated Reichstag!
    It seems that with such an election policy in relation to our molded tailors, you and I will finally lose the second eye.
    1. 0
      8 February 2019 00: 00
      Quote: kunstkammer
      Oh! And remember, say .. and inflate? Enemies?

      But everyone forgot that the "good Cossacks" joyfully plundered the lands of the Muscovy during the Time of Troubles and participated in the Smolensk war on the side of the Poles. Everything can be turned around, adjusted to the situation, or even made to forget.
  14. +3
    7 February 2019 23: 41
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    Russia fought with China in the 80s of the 19th century, there the war was wider, something, no one except our enemies will remember, like you, about the Daman conflict. The military conflict was a political step, not a military one, China put up ONLY TWO REGIONS, and could soon drive in 20 divisions. And no "Grads" would have stopped .... Distinguish the essence. They simply told Leonid Brezhnev that it could be done badly, so the entire Politburo was shaking for a decade, which China achieved with this show, but the Americans smiled at China with all their buns as a gift ... "Nothing personal, just politics" ...

    What kind of scribble? Where do you suck this nonsense from and for what purpose?
  15. 0
    8 February 2019 00: 18
    why the Sino-Vietnamese conflict is hushed up


    Sofa clerks do not know who to root for - for Vietnamese comrades or for Chinese brothers, they ignore the uncomfortable and unkempt topic for them, which plunges them into confusion.
    1. Fat
      +1
      8 February 2019 02: 16
      Quote: Stalevar79
      why the Sino-Vietnamese conflict is hushed up


      Sofa clerks do not know who to root for - for Vietnamese comrades or for Chinese brothers, they ignore the uncomfortable and unkempt topic for them, which plunges them into confusion.

      There is one more unpleasant moment for China.
      In the second half of the 1970s, there was a confrontation between the reformer Deng Xiaoping and conservative Hua Guofeng in the leadership of the CCP. A group of high-ranking supporters of Hua Guofeng - Wang Dongxing, Wu De, Ji Dengkui and Chen Xilian - was called the "Small Gang of Four." At the III plenary session of the CPC Central Committee, a reform program was approved in December 1978, the positions of Hua Guofeng and the Quartet were sharply undermined. In February 1980, the "Small Gang of Four" was removed from the party leadership and withdrawn from politics.
      Hua Guofeng
      A statesman of the People’s Republic of China, the successor to Mao Zedong as chairman of the Chinese Communist Party. The only person who simultaneously held the three highest posts in the PRC: in addition to the post of chairman of the CPC, he was the prime minister of the State Council of the PRC and the chairman of the Central Military Council of the PRC.
      (Wiki)
      1. 0
        8 February 2019 13: 37
        Strictly speaking, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao occupied, and Xi Jinping now holds three top positions: Secretary General of the CPC Central Committee, Chairman of the PRC, Chairman of the Central Military Council of the PRC (which is automatically the Chairman of the Military Council of the CPC Central Committee). In general, in the PRC one who is the Chairman of the Military Council of the CPC Central Committee, and is the main person in the country.
  16. 0
    8 February 2019 00: 21
    It’s interesting, why don’t they write about our butts, though not sour ones?
  17. 0
    8 February 2019 00: 38
    I reckoned it was difficult to decide who and what but the essence of the times they decided to forget and not to escalate well done remember you need good and everything will be fine!
  18. 0
    8 February 2019 01: 14
    I recall what was then with us in the days of that distant war:
    - the political department of the army tried to check the "polymorsos" and announced a record of volunteers "to provide international assistance to the fraternal Vietnamese people", it was late Saturday evening. At that time he was on duty for the part.
    - Our unit began to prepare for relocation to the Chinese border - from the Russian North.

    Neither one nor the other caused any enthusiasm; there was no continuation and development. And after a couple of days it died out.

    China and Vietnam are young, do not inflate the memory of that war
  19. kig
    +1
    8 February 2019 01: 53
    In 1979, I worked on the Gavriil Kirdishchev ro-ro ship of the Far Eastern Shipping Company, and we managed to make three re
    1. kig
      +3
      8 February 2019 02: 17
      isa to Haiphong. We had trucks on the deck, and BMP and PT-76 in the hold. All vehicles were fueled, but without ammunition. They unloaded us instantly. A crowd of Vietnamese in shorts and rubber slippers ran up, grabbed the equipment and very quickly rolled onto the pier, and somewhere into the distance. What exactly to manage, they did not care, a jack of all trades. On the last voyage, we brought ten sets, as I now understand, something like "Tochka". We were again unloaded very quickly and we went home, and on the way we got the news that the conflict had ended. Well, of course, we decided that our last package helped ...
  20. 0
    8 February 2019 05: 38
    Fulfilling its allied obligations, the USSR began the deployment of 250 thousand reservists in 25 divisions. In Mongolia, where there was already a 100 thousandth group. I went to school and I remember well how military equipment went through our village. And basically artillery with art division in Chistye Kdyuchi ....
  21. 0
    8 February 2019 07: 57
    Very interesting topic.
    During the war with Vietnam, Americans were constantly talking about Soviet aid, and Chinese aid was not mentioned. Although it is very interesting how the Chinese helped northern Vietnam - technology and units. Upon the liberation of the US base in Kamrani, the Vietnamese were first given to the Chinese for familiarization, and only after to Soviet specialists. They write about the war in Agana Adeza about the help of Americans, including the Stingers, but somehow bypass the Kalash DShK 107mm rzzo Kalashi with Chinese weapons to help the majahideen. It is not known whether the Chinese advisers were advisory. A lot has not yet been revealed in the history of a warrior.
  22. +2
    8 February 2019 13: 07
    The Chinese prefer not to remember because they supported the Khmer Rouge, respectively, they are indirectly responsible for the genocide in Cambodia. That is why they entered the war - to help allied Cambodia against Vietnam.
  23. +1
    8 February 2019 14: 52
    The most interesting thing is that the army of Vietnam took part only at the end of the conflict. Prior to this, guerrilla troops and police fought with the Chinese, and all the losses to China were from these units and, not having advanced inland and having suffered such losses, the Chinese quickly ended the aggression. Almost the entire population was armed there, and in each village there were piles of self-defense units.
    1. 0
      9 February 2019 16: 16
      I come from Langshon province, which is located on the border with China (my village is located 50 km from the border). In February 1979, I was in Moscow, just took up a graduation project and ... war!
      In the 1979 war, 2 of my younger brothers participated. The one who is 21 years old managed to fight in the South for 2 years, and the one who is 18 years old only had to undergo 3-month military training. The 21-year-old was a scout, at night he obtained Chinese “languages” (sometimes he crossed the border and caught “languages” in Chinese territory), the 18-year-old fought as part of regional forces. The 21-year-old returned without injury, and the 18-year-old lost 3 fingers.
      Of my relatives, about 50 participated in the war against the Americans (more than half died), and 30 against the Chinese (about 10 people died). The most remarkable case is my paternal cousin. He was then 39 years old, fought in the South for 11 years (from 1964 to 1975), was discharged in 1976 for health reasons (his whole body is scarred), in 1979 he reached the border and demanded that the provincial military committee give him though would be a platoon of new soldiers. There they were surprised: “Who are you?”, And he answered: “Do not dig in paper, paper bosses! I’m not there, but I have about a thousand fights behind me, I’m the captain of the reserve, give me at least a platoon of dredgers, and I will teach them to really fight! ” Gave him a whole battalion!
      In August 1979, I returned home and came to visit him. He asked: “You fought a lot with anyone. Tell me, with whom is it hardest to fight, and with whom is it easier? ” He replied: “The hardest thing is to fight with the South Koreans - they have high morale, in second place - the Americans. Americans are stupid, but their firepower is - oh-oh-oh! The South Vietnamese are cowardly, but cunning. The easiest way to fight with the Thais - just one machine gun burst - and they will scatter across the field, like ducks. ” I asked: “What about the war with the Chinese?” He laughed: “For the milkmen, yes, it’s a war, but for me, fighting the Chinese is just fun! Just like in a dash - bang! Bang! Bang! There are many of them, but they are stupid, like hens - they lie in one place and shoot with fear. And my soldiers changed positions after each turn and died mainly from Chinese artillery, and not from bullets. "
  24. 0
    8 February 2019 15: 03
    On January 1, Deng Xiaoping visited Washington, where he met with US President Jimmy Carter, and on February 17, 1979, after artillery preparation, approximately 200 Chinese troops crossed the border and invaded the northern provinces of Vietnam. These are they opponents
  25. 0
    9 February 2019 06: 40
    This is the question of China’s friendliness to Russia. China is a hidden enemy that is waiting for the moment.
  26. 0
    9 February 2019 11: 23
    "... The Vietnamese's advisor was Captain Yegorov, Tolik graduated from his school five years earlier and was already of some value, of course, he took care of him like a native. To instill practical skills, he dragged the trainee to the war, from which he himself had already started get tired.

    The headquarters of the advisers worked very clearly: engineering intelligence categorically determined the direction of the main attack in their operational area. In the jungles of North Vietnam, tactical groups could move to an organized company, in the most favorable conditions a battalion, no more. For some reason, the operators of the Chinese NNA drew thick arrows of operational and strategic attacks on their maps, forgetting about ravines and other folk wisdom embedded in proverbs and sayings.

    It was simpler further: sappers stuffed the terrain with two-layer push-action mines, decorating the roadsides and paths that went into military fashion with MON-directional mines, they were installed in the ground, masked in a bush and sculpted to trunks, hiding in the crowns of trees. The density of mining was such that they abandoned remote mining systems. The headquarters found this unnecessary.

    Hiding his height in a shallow Vietnamese trench, Yegorov looked through binoculars for a long time at the battle, then with white eyes turned to the young one, vehemently pulled Rodion by the collar of his uniform: look and remember - he put the binoculars into him.

    At first, the Chinese perled with a sprightly gait, moist soil did not give dust during explosions of low-power anti-personnel mines: it was just pu-mind, screams and a gap appeared in a dense chain for a short time, it was quickly filled with oncoming figures. The pace of the first infantry wave fell first to a trot, then to a step, then the chain stopped and the infantry began to lie down. Either commanders or political officers jumped out of the box. The figures first waved their hands, heart-rending cries were heard, then they began to shoot. The chain rose and slowly crawled towards the Vietnamese trenches, now snug, now making a jerk, fueled by pistol shots. At this moment, they were overtaken by the second and third waves of infantry, as it is not clear - a herd formed and was no longer understood. On the opposite slope and in the lowland itself, the human mass has condensed. People fired, yelled, and the crowd gradually passed the lowest place of decay and crossed the stream, forcing the minefield, rendering it harmless to zero, with their own soles.

    Rodion, with his physical skin, sensed what was happening at that moment in the division of the good old M - 30 howitzers, standing seven kilometers behind them: the team “Palma - two. Og - drive! ” Rodion out of the corner of his eye saw the adviser of the division commander, a bald major in the muddy tropic, bent at the stereo pipe.

    On batteries, gun commanders quickly ran their eyes over the shooting records, senior battery-powered officers saw, tweeted in Vietnamese, or maybe ours: have a 140 sight, an angle 23–79, a third charge, a fragmentation fuse, a 91 tube. Two palm! Recharge! Og - drive! The go-ahead ... and there is no salvation. Twenty-four kilogram pigs, with the flags translated from "F" to "O", burst out of short trunks, which at once settled on the bed of guns and rushed to the line of a stationary obstruction light, in the "Palm-2" variant, creating a maximum density of one shell per three linear meters group goal.

    Note: this is a long read, but in reality the seconds pass and the shells begin to burst.

    Capless fuses mounted on splinters reacted instantly upon contact with any obstacle on their trajectory, be it a bush in a lowland, be wet soil along a stream or human flesh.

    A kilo of eight hundred grams of trinitrotoluene tore apart the bodies of one hundred and twenty millimeter shells made of brittle steel, cutting down to the ground shrubs, fruitful soil and ... people.

    The air, compressed to the hardness of pressed cardboard, with howitzer splinters built into the front of the shock wave, tore off clothes from people, stripping the troupes to naga, bending the rifles to the curvature of the rocker arm, turning the fighters of the Chinese division into jelly, chopped up by a hot mass of fragments of shells and fragments of weapons and equipment.

    Flesh and blood turned into a gas-liquid formation interspersed with fragments of form, small and large pieces of soil, this suspension covered the lowland, like a small cloud of red mud color, making observation impossible.

    The smell of blood and the tangible, visible without binoculars death of hundreds of people put the brains of many on the sidelines and the Vietnamese machine gunners, so as not to go crazy, opened fire without a command, accompanying the tracks with horror and fury, reducing the amplitude of the choir that came under the distribution.

    But inevitably and measuredly, from below the brown smashed itself through the next bursts of tears, mutilating people, killing and killing ... the sound picture changed: instead of the regular rumble of tears and guttural mooing - groans and cries like red streams merged into a howl on one note, only drowning out at times measured a built-up loaf of close gaps and tatakan machine guns.

    The next waves of infantry crossing the far border of the zone of continuous defeat and in some places fed the dying sound background with new voices of the choir accompanying the massacre.

    In the full division, three howitzer batteries, a total of eighteen guns, dropped three shells at an interval of two seconds, evenly distributed along the front of the target, from the right to the left, rhythmically and inevitably, like the next turn of the handle of a meat grinder.

    Russian artillery knows no hesitation and a feeling of pity is not applicable to her, it was planned that she would either shoot or prepare.

    Passing by the old, conquered, decommissioned, fulfilled their duty, some guns bow their heads, and someone lowers their eyes. Note. Sign language will tell a lot to the experienced eye.

    The last position of the old cannons is not just a memorial or a piece of iron painted in camouflage. This is a memory ... It, this viscous thing makes a lot impossible, but something is inevitable!

    He does not feel sorry for the Chinese and the Vietnamese too, but to see the mountain of corpses of our dumb, uncomplaining and invincible Russian infantry in their rage is unbearable ... "F. Yerist," Impassable Pawns "
  27. 0
    9 February 2019 15: 34
    They all remember very well. Natsik still those. There will be a case or someone will give slack to cling to each other in the throat. With Russia, too, now friends, tomorrow they will remember the old, fresh or far-fetched insults and start the war.

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