Problems in the rural demography of Russia: not smooth even on paper

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[Svarog]

It’s a disaster in the village, over the years 20 the village will die out .. Here are the results of the current managers, who for 20 years create the appearance of work.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

What 20 years now everyone is massively fleeing to the city in order to somehow survive.

[krot]

They’re not running to the city to survive. Want to say that the village is hungry? It’s just that boredom prevails over people .. they don’t know what to do with themselves, and they thump it. Give the village employment, incentive, and people who like to work on the land will develop the village.
There are many examples when a farmer comes to the village, opens production and people enjoy working there and don’t even think about the city.

[Svarog]

Quote: krot

They’re not running to the city to survive. Want to say that the village is hungry? It’s just that boredom prevails over people .. they don’t know what to do with themselves, and they thump it. Give the village employment, incentive, and people who like to work on the land will develop the village.
There are many examples when a farmer comes to the village, opens production and people enjoy working there and don’t even think about the city.

I absolutely agree that you can revive the village, you only need to work on it, but nobody needs it.

[nils]

Almost all agricultural products are taken by NETWORKS at 95% with foreign capital (Holland, France, Germany). Wraps - 150-170%. Blow to our senior citizens and hard workers. Robbery of the manufacturer. Assessment of the labor of the peasant in the baking industry at the level of 9-10%

In any country there is a fight for every piece of arable land, in our country out of 80 million hectares 40 million hectares of arable land are not cultivated. Up to 4 million hectares belong to foreign companies (through subsidiaries). Out of 57 million head of cattle, 18,5 remain. A glass of whole milk is already a problem. Let's drink substitutes!
What's next?

[Vadim237]

"40 million hectares of arable land" This is in what areas of the country - not in the zones of risky farming?

[Horn]

And wheat for bread is obtained in these very zones. In Altai, for example. Kuban - fodder is mostly suitable.

[Vadim237]

It is mainly obtained in the southern regions of the country.

[Ivan58]

Drive along the Moscow-St. Petersburg highway, look at the abandoned villages along the highway. And risky farming zones are practically all over our country, with rare exceptions.

[Vadim237]

People have the right to leave — there was nothing to do in these villages, and so they were all abandoned.

[Victor N]

The success of agriculture - separately,
demography - separately.

[nickname7]

What's next?

Gentlemen, the liberals are building the whole market, but some kind of market is not like that.
They have black holes everywhere, everything is not profitable and not economically effective.

[Shkodnik65]

I support. A concrete example is the Kursk region, Medvensky district, the village of PanIKI: the company "Russian Malt" has settled in the village. We built a huge elevator, grain storage, purchased HUNDREDS of equipment. Residents are provided with jobs. They come to work not only from the regional center, but also from Kursk (this is a village, 40 km away). Taxes started flowing ... Now all streets are asphalted, even lit at night. When I bought a house in the village 6 years ago, the houses on the right and on the left were uninhabited, now all the houses on the street have been bought out, incl. to the mother capital. This winter, the roads were cleaned like they don't clean in the city. It is clear that there are problems, but the trend is visible.

[aglet]

Quote: krot

It’s just that boredom prevails over people .. they don’t know what to do with themselves

yes, without work and money it’s very boring

Quote: krot

There are many examples when a farmer comes to the village, opens production

more examples of farmers going broke and owing the bank the rest of their lives

[krot]

even more examples where a farmer goes bankrupt and owes the bank the rest of his life

There are as many examples when businessmen in a city go bankrupt, and now what? no business, or what? If the owner is normal, and does not fill the collar, and he has the same workers, then everything turns out .. Sales are not a problem to find! We have potatoes, carrots in the city, for example, I don’t find Russian or local .. I live in Novosibirsk. Inexplicable vegetables are brought from KZ.

[aglet]

Quote: krot

Sales are not a problem.

Well, what do you have carrots from KZ?

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Carefully read the text there is something written about hunger. In the villages there is no work, besides food you need somewhere else to find money to buy firewood, to pay coal for electricity and water, if you don’t have money, you won’t buy food. They’ll run to the city to get a job and improve your life.

[astepanov]

Quote: krot

It’s just that boredom prevails over people .. they don’t know what to do with themselves, and they thump it.

Of course they do, and they do. Cattle and poultry require constant work. And you also need to stock up on firewood, buy and bring coal, haul water every day... And in the summer, it's also plowing in the garden, not like city summer residents, but real. Life in the village is constant toil. Add to this the dirty, hard work on the farm, in the field, and add to the problems the author talks about. But there is not much more drunkenness in the village than in the city, it's just all in plain sight.
Hand on heart, how many of us are ready to live in the countryside?

[nickname7]

How many of us are willing to live in the countryside?

Urban people lying on a sofa near a hot battery like to shed tears about the villages, but they themselves are not ready to go there.

[d1975-value]

Pavel, take off your pink glasses, didn’t you teach anything to Kushchevka? Take a look at YouTube, how the land is divided. The main authorities washed their hands, but everyone remembers who is silent with anyone in the photo .... Yes, the king is good, the boyars are bad. And the question is simple there is no punishment. And reports - paper does not see ravines !!!

[Alber]

Quote: krot

They’re not running to the city to survive. Want to say that the village is hungry? It’s just that boredom prevails over people .. they don’t know what to do with themselves, and they thump it. Give the village employment, incentive, and people who like to work on the land will develop the village.
There are many examples when a farmer comes to the village, opens production and people enjoy working there and don’t even think about the city.

Was it on horseradish to destroy collective farms, state farms?
Even in Israel, kibbutzim are alive ...

[Alber]

Quote: krot

They’re not running to the city to survive. Want to say that the village is hungry? It’s just that boredom prevails over people .. they don’t know what to do with themselves, and they thump it. Give the village employment, incentive, and people who like to work on the land will develop the village.
There are many examples when a farmer comes to the village, opens production and people enjoy working there and don’t even think about the city.

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

What 20 years now everyone is massively fleeing to the city in order to somehow survive.

Quote: Svarog

It’s a disaster in the village, over the years 20 the village will die out .. Here are the results of the current managers, who for 20 years create the appearance of work.

This is the targeted genocide of the indigenous Russian people by alien, black forces that secretly invaded power

[Vladimir 5]

Mole... Give land to everyone, as much as they can cultivate, and they will go even from the cities to the central zone of the Russian Federation, not only to the south... The government is giving out 1 hectare in the Far East - is this a mockery of the citizens of the Russian Federation by the anti-Russian leadership of Russia, because hundreds of millions of hectares of arable land in the central zone of the Russian Federation are EMPTY... It seems that it is time to replace those in the government, not only with pitchforks to boot...

[nickname7]

EMPTY hundreds of millions of hectares of arable land

These lands have already been bought up, the Old Believers have been lured into the Russian Federation, they know how to work, but they are not given land.

[d1975-value]

That is exactly I agree with you, we do not have Stolypin, but there is only a handful of rubbish that pretends that they know the problem !!!

[Bykov.]

Quote: Svarog

It’s a disaster in the village, over the years 20 the village will die out .. Here are the results of the current managers, who for 20 years create the appearance of work.

Well, yes, where does such success in the agricultural sector come from?

[GRIGORIY76]

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

Are you talking about these successes?

Rosstat sins ...

[Sarmat Sanych]

Referring to a hat called "RANEPA" is of course the height of stupidity... And in fact, back in the 80s, there were only bones and hooves on store shelves and a total deficit in everything, then in 99 Russia received humanitarian aid with "Bush's Legs" and asked for "some more food" (literally), in 2005 self-sufficiency pork was 20% and agricultural exports were barely a couple of billion, and now self-sufficiency in poultry meat is 107% (net exporter), pork by 95%, beef by 80%, the largest exporter of wheat in the world and agricultural exports of $ 27 BILLION. Dry facts, so stop writing heresy.

[GRIGORIY76]

Dry facts, so stop writing heresy

I understand that for a modern urapatriot it is difficult to find an expert, apparently you need to refer to Kiselyov or Klemenov, well, or Prokhanov with Dugin.
With my commentary, I did not want to show that cx is not developed in our country, on the contrary, it is actively developing. But you and I must take into account the "Rosstat factor", which makes the subscripts, well, obviously.
And by the way, Turkey says thanks to us, thanks to our grain, they have a rather powerful flour-grinding industry.

[nils]

Over the years of reforms, the entire agrarian infrastructure of the USSR disappeared, including the 27.000 collective farms and the 23.000 state farms provided with agricultural equipment and skilled personnel.
The process of depopulation of rural territories has been launched, the number of abandoned villages is constantly increasing, and the number of rural settlements with a small number of inhabitants. In some constituent entities of the Russian Federation, the share of depopulated villages exceeded 20%, mainly in the regions of Central Russia and the North, with Russians predominantly living. Chechnya, Tatarstan, etc. they have no such problems.
34 000 villages disappeared from the face of the earth (confirmed by Associate Professor of the Timiryazev Academy I. Abakumov and Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Agrarian Issues V. Kashin). 10 000 villages have fewer 8 residents today.
At 24 and at 25 thousand, respectively, the number of preschool and school institutions in the countryside decreased. If we talk about clinics and district hospitals, then here in general ruin.
Financing - 1,2% of the federal part of the budget is allocated. In comparison, little Switzerland has 6 billion dollars with just 6 million hectares. China - 154 billion. And we - 3,5 billion dollars. Can you imagine the gap?

Maybe someone has doubts that this is not done purposefully?

[krot]

Are you talking about these successes?

Google is US propaganda.

[Vadim237]

You need to go to the north to live - and all this agricultural infrastructure of the USSR - the day before yesterday rotten and decayed trash, the Russian Union of Art is well done without it and brings profit.

[Grits]

In our area there is a village in which 4 people live. After a few years, it will disappear. And before the revolution, 1,5 thousands lived there. About 1000 people lived in my native village during my childhood. Now the man is 150. About 15 years ago, I was there the principal of the school where 30 people studied. This year the school will be 1 September 2 person. As soon as the school closes, the process of extinction of the village will take on an avalanche-like character.

[Vadim237]

The process of extinction of your village, went back when 30 children went to school.

[Grits]

Quote: Vadim237

The process of extinction of your village, went back when 30 children went to school.

For many villages now - 30 people at school - this is still very good

[your1970]

Quote: Gritsa

In our area there is a village in which 4 people live. After a few years, it will disappear. And before the revolution, 1,5 thousands lived there. About 1000 people lived in my native village during my childhood. Now the man is 150. About 15 years ago, I was there the principal of the school where 30 people studied. This year the school will be 1 September 2 person. As soon as the school closes, the process of extinction of the village will take on an avalanche-like character.

the process went lavishly long before you were the headmaster of the school there. 30 children then it means that THEIR parents maximum 60 people. This in turn means that in 70-e their grandparents already было Not enough for reproduction of the population of this village

[nickname7]

the village in which 4 people live. After a few years, it will disappear. And before the revolution, there lived 1,5 thousand

There is such a word urbanization, but you have not heard it. Throughout the world, there is a resettlement of villages in cities, this is urbanization.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Well, it seems like I talked to an intelligent person, and you again took out your rotten workpiece with "jelly" from your pocket... Will the International Food Association data suit you? Or statistics from the WTO and the World Bank? According to them, Russia exported $ 27 billion, this is TEN times more than in the late 2000s. Relax, you have to live without Bush's legs. You can also watch the filming from drones of the giant grazing herds of cattle in the Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod regions for hundreds of thousands of heads, you look cheer up.

[Mcar]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Together, Russia exported $ 27 billion, this is TEN more than in the late 2000s.

We’ll not finish it, but take it out!

According to WHO standards, Russians are undernourished physiological standards for meat, milk and other important indicators. But who cares? Profit is more important. So?

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

You can also watch the filming from drones of the giant grazing herds of cattle in the Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod regions for hundreds of thousands of heads, you look cheer up.

And from viewing in the stomach meat appears?

[Vadim237]

They earn money from exporting - and the fact that somewhere, someone doesn’t eat something, does not concern manufacturers.

[Victor N]

There is meat in all stores. Just do not about income! In the countryside, custom has always been to keep animals. Why is there no meat in the stomach? Maybe laziness is sick? Indeed, even many young owners have neither a yard nor a fruit tree.

[Mcar]

Quote: Victor N

There is meat in all stores.

Moreover, there is a shortage of consumption.

What are these people looking for in the trash?

Is the iPhone lost? Or sadomaso?

Quote: Victor N

In the village

And not in the countryside?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: McAr

What are these people looking for in the trash?

Judging by the clothes - not homeless, not alkanes.
It seems that a nearby store threw an overdue delay ...

[Mcar]

Quote: stalkerwalker

It seems that a nearby store threw an overdue delay ...

This is clear. The question was rhetorical with elements of sarcasm.

It simply cannot reach some people that there are people who live a lot worse than them.

[your1970]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Quote: McAr

What are these people looking for in the trash?

Judging by the clothes - not homeless, not alkanes.
It seems that a nearby store threw an overdue delay ...

-Moreover, visually-not one of them looks like a retirement age-maximum of 45-50

[Vadim237]

No sane person will fumble in the trash - as he knows that deadly diseases can be caught in the trash. And these guys have problems with their heads - they have such a semi-Bozharian lifestyle.

[Vadim237]

First of all, laziness.

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Victor N

In the countryside, custom has always been to keep animals.

Feed prices are now such that it’s cheaper to go to a meat store than to keep your own. And this is the cost price, without taking into account the costs of our own labor.

[your1970]

Quote: McAr

According to WHO standards, Russians are undernourished physiological standards for meat, milk and other important indicators

-What does WHO know - how much I personally ate - chopping off another chicken yesterday and buying milk from a neighbor from under his cow?

[Kot28]

And where do you keep hens while living in the city? ridiculed ...)))

[your1970]

Quote: Kot28

And where do you keep hens while living in the city? ridiculed ...)))

Is there a city with a population of 16 000 that doesn’t suit you in terms of personal farming? I have here a garden on 8 acres + a garden on 2 + a backyard in which 70 chickens, 30 ducks and a dozen geese roam ....
3 exhausted pigs years ago ...

[Kot28]

It would be nice to take some tax from such business executives ...

[your1970]

Quote: Kot28

It would be nice to take some tax from such business executives ...

-takes ..... Land - to the municipal budget ....

[Kot28]

The land tax does not take into account that you receive livestock income.

[your1970]

Quote: Kot28

The land tax does not take into account that you receive livestock income.

I don’t receive income. Moreover, even if I exercised TRADE his belly:
"Tax Code of the Russian Federation Article 217. Income not subject to taxation (exempt from taxation)
The following types of personal income are not subject to taxation (exempt from taxation):
13) taxpayer income derived from sale livestock products grown in personal subsidiary plots located on the territory of the Russian Federation, livestock products (both live and slaughtered in raw or processed form), crop products (both in kind and in processed form).
Incomes indicated in the first paragraph of this paragraph are exempted from taxation, subject to the following conditions:
if the total area of ​​the land plot (plots) that is (are) (at the same time) on the right of ownership and (or) other rights of individuals does not exceed the maximum size established in accordance with paragraph 5 of Article 4 of the Federal Law of July 7, 2003 112-FZ "On personal subsidiary plots";
if the taxpayer maintains his personal subsidiary farm in the indicated areas without hiring employees in accordance with labor legislation. "

Considering that our area has been raised up to 10 days by the municipality, even my neighbor who sells me milk, but has a plot of 8 acres, is not taxed .....

[Kot28]

Nafig quote these points. It might be easier to say. Yes, it is not taxed yet. But even without selling, you lose income from shops selling poultry meat.

[your1970]

1)

Quote: Kot28

See these points to quote.

Alas, I have to.
You probably didn’t notice that I was responding to a person’s statement

Quote: McAr

According to WHO standards, Russians are undernourished physiological standards for meat, milk and other important indicators. But who cares? Profit is more important. So?

WHO can’t take my meat into account
2) then you doubted my birds

Quote: Kot28

living in the city then? ridiculed ...)))

-Has to clarify
3) then you pushed about the need to pay taxes - I had to explain
Xnumx) then dragged the pigs

Quote: Kot28

A pig, too, to keep a dubious occupation. They are not stupid. Would you yourself like to be stabbed to death?

"Why - it’s not clear? Are you a vegetarian? And can you pick up tomatoes? They want to multiply, but did I bang and sow seeds? And weeds can be weed, otherwise the plants feel pain .....

[Kot28]

Your meat cannot be taken into account by WHO, and it doesn’t take into account. But you can’t take other people into account either, do not judge by yourself. And about pigs, it's just thoughts. It's a pity them.

[your1970]

Quote: Kot28

Your meat can’t and doesn’t.

- WHO is guided by the amount of officially produced meat and the number. This ratio (kg of meat per person) is underestimated because I enter the population, but meat official I do not use.

Quote: Kot28

But you can’t take other people into account, do not judge by yourself.

- if you didn’t notice - I didn’t write a word about the consumption of meat by other people - which I knowingly did not know. Even with respect to you, I just put forward an assumption about your vegetarianism ...

Quote: Kot28

And about pigs, so, just thoughts. I feel sorry for them.

-I somehow feel more sorry for people .....

[Kot28]

Your dumb demagoguery. Plants to drag to animals. The person is the same animal as a pig.

[Kot28]

A pig, too, to keep a dubious occupation. They are not stupid. Would you yourself like to be stabbed to death?

[Sarmat Sanych]

Oh McAr, you tired me) I recall the Soviet cartoon, there Baba Yaga was always against it). God give you health, just do not be discouraged

[d1975-value]

Immediately visible horseshoe vigorous Russia! Many bureaucrats from this and answer us!

[Sarmat Sanych]

Again a set of stamps ...

[Vladimir 5]

Sarmat S... My dear sir, look at the Vladimir, Kostroma, Vyatka, Tver, Penza, etc. non-chernozem belt - there is total extinction, a desert in the literal sense. If a couple of mechanized farmers produce thousands of tons on the black earth, then on the other, main half of Russia there is a desert, that's the problem, and that's where the bulk of the population lived... You have difficulties understanding statistics and problems, and these statistics are tragic for Russia.

[Sarmat Sanych]

I agree that in these regions (although I do not agree with Kostroma) it is significantly worse. But you understand, the fish is looking where deeper, we live in the most difficult climatic conditions, 60% - and beyond the Arctic Circle, 35% - sub-
and sharply continental climate, and only 5% are favorable for agriculture. Neither America nor Canada, nor Norway nor Finland does anything at all in similar latitudes. Canadians, by the way, live only on a thin strip on the border with Syshya - this is for the most part the breadth of Sochi. And in such natural conditions we manage to provide for ourselves and produce another record grain yield of 134 tons.
There are a lot of problems in agriculture, and the bulk is not taking away the saturation of one's own market, things are just going fine), the main thing is the income of small and medium-sized farmers - THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. Throughout the world, the small and medium agricultural sector is unprofitable, so it is DOTED by the state in serious amounts. And with us, as you know, they don’t give out such amounts. Naturally, for the regions of the Non-Black Earth Region, in order to make sense of the work, these subsidies should be even greater, and the state is holding back. I do not say that there are no problems, but successes need not be kept silent. And just as the entire Internet with social networks is clogged with negativity - so you wonder. There is a coordinated centralized work under a single command, an information line for an information line, everything is the same as for Khkhlov in 2013 before the Maidan. And I do not want it to be like Khhlov, so I write here.

[nickname7]

Being a little interested in agriculture, I read the newspaper "Field of August", and so in the Russian Federation there is a re-equipment for high-intensity technologies, the fleet of equipment is being updated, all this gives large volumes of grain, but there are also problems - the weak development of animal husbandry. Increasing sales of grain and semi-finished products is a dead-end way of raw materials. Grain needs to be converted into milk and meat.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Livestock farming, let's say, is not "poorly developed", but rather has a much larger reserve for development than now. At the moment, we provide ourselves with 93% of pork (although we may well be net exporters), 80% of beef (certainly not enough), and we have an overproduction of poultry meat, and for 5 years (107%) Russia has been exporting the same turkey, chicken and in Turkey and in Central Asia and the Middle East, in the shortest time we start in China.
Here we depend on embryos, breeding herds and seed material very seriously - at 45% minimum. And this is a problem, but it is slowly being solved.

[Vadim237]

And I don’t need to refer to the Kiselevs - every summer I go from Moscow to Volgograd and Astrakhan - there are more and more sown fields.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Vadim, so I answered him))

[d1975-value]

And that’s all - fields, but 0 jobs. We sow fields, pay where we need, but there are almost no workers, that is, there is no work, how many families will the small farmer feed? So people are running, I just judge classes in school! Take a hat toss more!))))

[your1970]

Quote: d1975

how many families will the small farmer feed

-2-3-5 no more since he small...
This could be kicked on the collective farms while sitting in the office / club / library - the farmer has no social obligations and will not

[d1975-value]

It all depends on the manager and his attitude to his work, I went to work in the summer of 13 because I wanted to live better and no one would interfere. At 13 I worked on a press at a brick machine, the salary was from 3,50 rubles to 10 rubles a day! And this at 13 years old! In 1991 I earned about 4500 thousand rubles at the harvest. Respect, help to parents, 3 tons of grain for every ruble earned. And now what in the village?! Almost nothing, everything is only on paper.

[your1970]

Quote: d1975

this depends on the leader and attitude to his work, I went to work in the 13 in the summer because I wanted to live better and no one bothered. In 13 I worked on the press at a brick machine tool, my salary was from 3,50p to 10 p per day! And this is in 13 years!

-1) Well, I’ll remind you that at that time your person was under criminal law, it was impossible for minors to work. How much he stole for you is unknown
2) if they let you work so easily, then either he CATASTROPHICALLY lacked working hands or he was shamelessly stripping ADULTS

[d1975-value]

Sergey, how old are you, where do you get such nonsense from? Then it was necessary to transplant half of the Kuban in the summer. Now it’s clear that, figuratively, you didn’t smell gunpowder. It’s clear why Muscovites (we have a different name for them) coming to Kuban were looking for trees where loaves grew! And almost everyone was allowed to work, and education was going on above all. And you have great contempt from me.

[region58]

Quote: your1970

so easy you were allowed to work

Quote: d1975

almost everyone was allowed to work, and education was going on above all

The seventh-eighth grade was considered already quite adult age, and even a little older, and even more so - it was quite possible to work, of course, during the summer holidays. If you saw that you could do it, you could have put it on the "Vladimir", for example, to deliver water across the fields, or by the steering wheel ... dust of course ... in general, there was something to do ...

[d1975-value]

It was very prestigious to get into the helm, they trusted you to clean the bread! Salary 70% of the combine! Perhaps these were heavenly times!

[your1970]

Quote: d1975

Sergey, how old are you, where do you get such nonsense from? .

- uncle - look at me for a year in my nickname. It is quite possible that I’m 5 years older than you .... and that year when you worked as an 13 summer I already served in the army ...

Quote: d1975

Then it was necessary to transplant half of the Kuban in the summer.

and now they’re not planting anyone in the Kuban. But at the US in the Trans-Volga region there are fools - for the 13 of the summer there was a mute

Quote: d1975

Now it’s clear that, figuratively, you didn’t smell gunpowder

-in connection with some specifics- I know how these 13-year-olds were counted in your Kuban ....
And yes, once again - It was NOT legal to conduct 13 accounting for summer employees.They paid from stolen to adults, and also 2-th time heated up on this before ...

Quote: region58

Seventh-eighth grade was considered quite an adult, and a little older

- from 14 years they could spend and formalize labor
And yes -8 class is 15 years the kid was already usually ...

[d1975-value]

Sergey, forgive me for being rude, but did you get a concussion before or after the army? You are writing utter nonsense! Yes, the head of the collective farm gives me a watch on September 1 for good work on double-entry bookkeeping. And as for Kuban, you are wrong. You were not raised enough in childhood.

[your1970]

Quote: d1975

Yes, before the collective farm gives me the watch 1 September for good work on double-entry bookkeeping

-in a good collective farm -where the men earned thousands for harvesting on an 2-3-4 combine — short of you when calculating for 200-300-500 rubles — the holy thing (for the chairman of your collective farm !!) was ... and buy watches for 50 rubles - easily and naturally ....

I repeat, there were only four options:
1) you, 13-year-old, have been held as an adult - pure water criminal record
2) you weren’t taken into account at all, but the money was paid to you from the money for which the adults were cheated
3) you could be guided by documents like the 14 or 15 of the summer - they could already be hired by arranging a bunch of pieces of paper for a part-time (well, you naturally plowed in full)
Xnumx) the chairman paid you from Of their - and this could be the case if there was a complete blockage with the workers, but it was necessary to work .... and don’t worry about his pocket - not a single collective farm / state farm chairman is hungry

ZY

Quote: d1975

Sorry for being rude. You write utter nonsense

- Forgiveness for rudeness. Regarding the bullshit - my uncle worked at the OBKhSS. Do not tear the vest for the chairmen of collective farms / state farms, do not ....

[nickname7]

but jobs 0

Because the John Deere tractor replaces a dozen other tractors, robots replace people, this is the problem.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And in fact, back in the 80s on the shelves of stores there were only bones with hooves and a total deficit in everything,

I disagree with you, sir, about the deficit and coupons, I personally encountered it closer to the end of the 80s (Dnipropetrovsk region) Meat, fish, confectionery - all this was on the shelves and not under. We had our own meat processing plant and confectionery factory in our city, blue chickens will give a head start to modern chicken legs with chemicals, pork and beef today, the same chemicals with medicines. (Nearby a private pig farm, I know what I'm talking about without dry statistics and without OBS) Collective farms were every 5-10 km, pig farms, farms, fields were plowed, sowed, harvested, and we fought for the harvest as schoolchildren and students))))) the village of Mezhirich still exists today in the Dnepropetrovsk region. So then they set up a workshop for processing fruit and vegetable crops, juices, compotes, jam, wines, young people flocked there, the village looked no worse than the city, those were the times, and the youth stayed in the village.
P.S.
I don’t know about you, I’ve talked with a therapist, and so at first I said, I wondered where so many patients with gastrointestinal tract, GERD, and liver, and pancreas have recently figured out, food, the meaning of prescribing if we’re eating anything, or rather that our businessmen palm off on us.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Dear, of course I heard that you had super supplies there in the Ukrainian SSR, but the rest of the country did not live like that. I then lived in the BSSR and it was oh so bad with us. Some bones and heads, although there was stew. Well, and "get" of course.
Rarely, sausage was in free sale at state prices, only in turn 1-2 days a week (not the fact that it would get), from under the floor and through the distributors.
Although an acquaintance’s aunt worked at a bakery, she never bought flour, sugar, eggs, butter, milk, yeast, jams, liquors and brandy. That’s what communism is, not like now!

[Sirocco]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Some bones and heads, although there was stew. Well, and "get it" of course.

Let's not cast a shadow on the fence, this topic of bones on the shelves is discussed more than once and not only on VO, as nj after reading such fantasies as yours, I began to doubt my mental abilities and my memory, I turned to my father-in-law who is already over 70 years old, all his life in Siberia, there are also starving and eating bones, never happened, any party, trip to nature, fishing hunting, always, and sausage, chicken, and other delicacies, in the form of Bulgarian canned food and even bananas were like))) and not the peel from them. I don't even remember about summer cottages and relatives in the villages. Probably everything is repeated as always in different countries we lived with you, I in the USSR, and where are you?
The only place where I ran into empty stalls was in the Crimea in the early 80s, pos. Sunny Valley, they rested there, and looked into the shops, but, the locals said they say you are buying up vacationers, a couple of times I had to go to Sudak.

[Sarmat Sanych]

What are you talking about, dear? Do not remember this? So I remember:

In the end, McDonalds is generally eloquent.
PS Well, about the queue, you can not remember once again.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

What are you talking about, dear?

What years are these? This time, and what does the McDonald's have to do with it? It was opened in the late 80s just when Gorbachev began the collapse of the country.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Listen, what time are we talking about, Soviet? The CPSU - the country's leading power was, right? So what are the questions? A photo is of different years, from 1980 to 1990.

[Sirocco]

You have your own opinion. I have my own. Bye.

[kjhg]

Quote: Sirocco

You have your own opinion

But where does his opinion come from? A person is simply at work, his work is such - propaganda is called. You read his comments and you will understand everything.

[Vadim237]

I have the same opinion, as well as investments in the CX - the barn for 100 goals during this year, the guys are already counting 300 goals and I will help them in this.

[AntonP]

Well, the flag in your hands and a drum on your neck)

[Vadim237]

Of course I’m in the hands of the flag - since you can’t hold it anymore.

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

In the end, McDonalds is generally eloquent.

The queue at McDonald's is not from nothing to eat, but from curiosity. In 1990, once I tried fast food I never entered McDonald's again, even in the most hungry years.

[Horn]

If a brothel was opened, the line would be even larger. People rushed to "new". And palm oil is just as good as kombihir. We have been cultivated for so many years in admiration for everything Western that now many are allergic to it.

[Sarmat Sanych]

So absolutely agree, I have long been averse to the West. Even if I see Lithuanian cottage cheese or Polish pickled cucumbers, I do not automatically buy it. And not so much for some political reasons, but because of mistrust.

[Kot28]

If I see an American iPhone, I don’t take it automatically either, and not for political reasons, but because of mistrust.

[aglet]

Quote: Kot28

If I see an American iPhone, too, I don’t automatically take it

And where could you see the American iPhone?

[Kot28]

In the store, naturally.

[aglet]

Quote: Kot28

In the store, naturally

and on it, was it like an American iPhone was written in American? or still, small letters made in china?

[Kot28]

Production can be placed anywhere. I'm tired of this stupid argument. Chinese only. I also do not take it.

[My doctor]

Quote: Sirocco

Probably everything, as always repeated in different countries, we lived with you, I am in the USSR, and where are you?

That was the USSR, but there was no equality in the borders of a common country. I am from the BSSR. When talking about trips outside the republic, the first topic was always the shock of grocery stores.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sirocco

I don’t know about you, I’ve talked with a therapist, and so at first I said, I wondered where so many patients with gastrointestinal tract, GERD, and liver, and pancreas have recently figured out, food, the meaning of prescribing if we’re eating anything, or rather that our businessmen palm off on us.

So it is, we are simply poisoned. Although it would seem that so many resources are completely self-sufficient, what prevents it from producing high-quality products? The answer is a simple state policy. When GOST nafig nobody needs, and most importantly profit. The fact that people spend money on drugs is also beneficial for the state, pills are not cheap. There Golikova - Miss Arbidol .. How much she earned on a dummy that she fed the population .. and nothing is fine after this scam, she’s not even sitting ..

[Sirocco]

Quote: Svarog

. Vaughn Golikova - Miss Arbidol .. How much she earned on a dummy that she fed

So here it’s not only Golikova, there’s also Lavrov’s son-in-law, in this field they are mowing money at Mega Farm. Alas.

[Sarmat Sanych]

What are our "resources"? In Russia, 60% of the territory beyond the Arctic Circle, the remaining 35% in the zone of risky, extremely difficult farming, so only 5% remains for normal agriculture. If, for example, we compare our country with Canada, then the latter is only 40% less than Russia, while almost 5 times fewer people live in Canada than ours and agriculture there is only on a thin strip on the border with the United States and on the edge of the west coast at a latitude like our Sochi. So, you are looking at a gigantic Russian map and do not understand "how it is so many resources and we can not feed the whole world." By the way, with the collapse of the Union, Russia lost about 80% of the land favorable for agriculture and animal husbandry. One example: in not the warmest Poland, the cost of pork and beef production is THREE TIMES LOWER than in Russia, and only because of the cost of electricity and a longer period of availability of fresh feed (herbs, etc.) per year. So imagine that Russian agrarians, even in such inhuman natural conditions (plus the inaccessibility of Western loans), manage not only to displace European and American competitors from the domestic market, but also fight them for the markets of China, the Middle East, Asia, etc.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Poland, the cost of production of pork and beef THREE TIMES BELOW than in Russia, and only because of the cost of electricity and a longer period of availability of fresh feed (grass, etc.) in the year.

Doesn't this surprise you? Doesn't it surprise you that electricity costs differently in different regions, for example, Buryatia, the private sector is 2 rubles 80 kopecks. Irkutsk, if my memory serves me right, is 80 kopecks. Not 1 ruble 80 kopecks, but 80 kopecks? I'm not talking about the industrial sector, and again, these are the prices in a country that supplies energy resources abroad. We skin our own alive. Now, about feed, in our risky farming zone, until the 90s, we planted green stuff, there were farms for both dairy farms and sheep farms, poultry farms, and all this green stuff went to feed the cattle, in the risky farming zone, and a couple of years ago, hay was supplied to Buryatia from Mongolia, wow. Although if you approach it wisely, you can fill everyone with it. But we don't have a boss in our country. There are plenty of managers.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Yes, the owner is now better than in ANY other years, so Russian agriculture is on the rise and the self-sufficiency of the domestic market for beef, wheat, rice, poultry and pork is higher than ever before.
And with regards to electricity, why should it be the same interesting? Are you friends with the economy? In the Irkutsk region, hydroelectric power plants, therefore, the cost is lower. Thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, coal, hydro, fuel oil are all different costs.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Are you friends with the economy?

No, I am not friends with economics and numbers, I am trying to connect with logic, if we live in the same country, then why are the prices different, you live on the same street with your neighbors and still pay the same price for electricity? So here, if we still have a social and democratic state (on paper), then be kind enough to fulfill your obligations to the population.

[Sarmat Sanych]

You know, a social state does not mean spitting on the economy and equating the price of electricity from a hydroelectric power station with the price of coal. In the Irkutsk region, this may be one of the few advantages, and much more is not what is for example in the Bryansk region, including much milder conditions. And you want to equate everything. No, the price of canned food only in Soz was everywhere the same plus or minus 30%, but as you know, communism did not wait there, and it all disappeared. Although it was not bad.

[My doctor]

Quote: Sirocco

No, I'm not friends with the economy and digital, I try to get in touch with logic, if we live in the same state, then why are the prices different? When you live on the same street with your neighbors you still pay at the same price for light?

TIN. Do you want those who have lower production costs to compensate for those who have high? Or so that everyone was tall, so that no one was offended?
Do you want equality? To ensure that goods and services are everywhere at the same price regardless of their cost?

[aglet]

Quote: MyVrach

Do you want equality? To ensure that goods and services are everywhere at the same price regardless of their cost?

so they are at the same price, although the word cost is unfamiliar to most, they know the world price

[Vadim237]

Well, probably until the 90s these your productions of zelenka for cattle existed exclusively on state money - to see production in itself is not profitable - once it closed.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Vadim237

to see production in itself is not profitable - once closed.

But in Mongolia, it is cost-effective.

[kinolog2322]

When he served in Kyakhta, Buryatmyasprom in Mongolia bought meat. The beef is notable there, which is grazed on salt marshes.

[aglet]

Quote: Vadim237

probably until the 90s these your productions of zelenka for cattle existed exclusively on state money - to see the production itself is not profitable - once closed

in the union, many industries were unprofitable or unprofitable. they were kept to provide work for the entire population

[Victor N]

OWNER is needed in EVERY yard! Primarily! Now the country is doing a lot for agricultural producers.

[kinolog2322]

All right! The cheapest electricity in Irkutsk.

[your1970]

Quote: Sirocco

In our city, there was also a confectionery factory, blue hens will give odds to modern legs with chemistry,

and we had our own meat processing plant / creamery, only here all the products (all 100%) left the region, except for the one stolen from them (its employees sold) .....

Quote: Sirocco

blue hens will give odds to modern legs with chemistry,

-Do you see how a rural resident who lived near the poultry farm for a very long time can say several things:
1)blue hens - in Soviet times, the main mass at poultry farms was kept for eggs. As soon as chicken AGE ceased to rush normally (planned !!) - she was allowed to eat meat. And just this one - exhausted into smoke and old chicken and was blue colors .... Normal chicken hacked before the age of one year - blue cannot be by definition, even if it is not fed almost at all.
2) they brought the type of "multivitamins" to the poultry farm (in aluminum flasks - the GDR, in glass - Poland and ours) - which the workers really liked to spit and sell to the population. The population loved to buy / change them - the chickens died less
After reading NOW the composition of those "vitamins" (I found an old flask in the attic) - I was in shock. There was about half of the composition - antibiotics ...

[your1970]

minusers apparently believe in the quality of blue chickens ......

[your1970]

Quote: your1970

exhausted into smoke and an old chicken and was blue.

- minusers apparently believe in the quality of blue hens ......

[ivagulin]

if our Western partners really want to impose REAL sanctions, such as prohibiting the import into Russia of genetic material through poultry, pig breeding, cattle, vaccines and biological products for agriculture, then in six months or a year Bush’s humanitarian legs will reappear.

[Vadim237]

We already grow all our cattle and produce vaccines - what for six months later, Bush Feet.

[ivagulin]

all breeding reproducers of the 1st and 2nd order work with foreign breeding material, the term of productive work of the tribe is about a year, then you need to buy a new one, vaccines either from the west or from Israel because high-quality antibiotics are either west or China, do not be fooled by the label made in Russia, sorry we have

[Victor N]

Well, it’s amazing: someone must come to the village (Putin? Medvedev?) And solve all the problems with the economy and demography! How did our ancestors do without a king? But they did! And the current ones - they drank brains, or what?

[Vadim237]

"Our ancestors got along without a tsar" - This is in what historical period they got along?

[naidas]

Quote: Victor N

Well, it’s amazing: someone must come to the village (Putin? Medvedev?)

Actually, I like the idea, the Federation Council is to be permanently evicted to one village, Putin to another, Medvedev to the third, etc.

Quote: Victor N

solve all the problems with the economy and demography!

Who will not cope to punish.

[aglet]

Quote: Vadim237

We already grow all the cattle ourselves

Do you personally grow? and if not, read what it is grown from

[Sarmat Sanych]

It’s too late, now no sanctions will prevent Russia from ensuring its food security.

[ivagulin]

well, an example is chicken, which is relatively cheap and nutritious. whose broiler we eat has dads with mothers (second-order breeding reproducer) and grandparents (first-order breeding reproducer) the parents have a productive life of 2-1 years. We purchase ALL PARENTS of our poultry abroad. The last cross of our domestic broiler CHANGE went into oblivion together with the enterprise of the same name, effective managers worked there

[Stalker84]

Only now the store shelves are filled with stained substitutes! Palm oil, meat pumped with chemistry and harmonies, and sausage without meat. I come from Mordovia, we have the meat factory Atyashevsky, and so I do not recommend buying its products, rare shit. Recently, I rarely buy sausages in general, it’s hard to find a normal one. And then the question is, what is the use of the notorious import substitution if instead of foreign products the regiment was taken by an outspoken surrogate ?! Our citizens who regularly travel to Poland and Finland will not be allowed to lie. It’s both cheaper and better.

[Vadim237]

In Myasnov I make a purchase - everything is real: milk, sour cream, butter, meat without dyes and any additives.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Dry facts, so stop writing heresy.

where did you get these numbers? did new statistics open? or began to consider differently?

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And in fact, back in the 80s on the shelves of stores there were only bones with hooves and a total deficit in everything

in the 80s, in fact, there were a lot of things on the shelves, not 100 varieties of sausages, as now, but there were, and the sausages were not like that. it all ended in the 90s, when the current leaders came into force, when they began to bring down their own production, and buy alcohol "piano" and the legs of a century-old bush for full dollars. In the late 80s, collective farmers of the Moscow region turned to Luzhkov with a request to help with the harvesting of potatoes, organize people to harvest, not for nothing, for the money the same potatoes, they promised a discount when purchasing by trade and so on. to which Luzhkov replied, I will not give people, your potatoes did not resist us anywhere, it is dirty, in the ground and expensive. we will buy in Poland, washed and cheap, and bought it. and everyone stayed with his own - collective farmers of the Moscow region with unharvested potatoes and losses, Polish farmers with fat, and a meadow with a rollback, in zlotys, probably. then a total shortage and completely empty store shelves began. well, the truth is, our hucksters hurried up and filled them with fakes for food and things at world prices

[Sarmat Sanych]

Apparently we lived in different 80s. Do you still have photos of kilometer-long lines and empty shelves? Well it’s easy for me, from all regions of the RSFSR.
By the way, I do not protect palm oil, but purely from a biological assessment, for example, it is more useful than sunflower. Yes, how not surprising it will be for you. Palm oil is used by the way in the production of fairly expensive cosmetics. And per capita of this palm oil, Russia consumes less than many countries with the most stringent food standards, for example less than Germany and the USA. Google to help, make sure.

[Antares]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

palm oil, but purely from a biological assessment, for example, it is more useful than sunflower. Yes, how not surprising it will be for you. Palm oil is used by the way in the production of fairly expensive cosmetics. And per capita of this palm oil, Russia consumes less than many countries with the most stringent food standards, for example less than Germany and the USA. Google to help, make sure.

palm benefits
Crude (red) palm oil is superior to sunflower oil in vitamin E both in quantity and in the number of tocotrienol groups. By the number of carotenoids (including vitamin A precursors), palm oil is significantly superior to other vegetable oils (in which they are contained in small quantities), it is a record holder among products and even exceeds fish oil.
Palm harm
palm oil is one of the most unhealthy oils, due to its high content of saturated fats, which lead to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.
Cost is lower because
"The productivity of palm oil is 4 tons per hectare. Sunflower oil gives 0,6 tons per hectare, soybean oil 0,4 tons per hectare."
Food.
Nestlé, the world's largest food producer, buys 420 tons of palm oil per year.
Consumption of
"6,5 million tons of palm oil is consumed in Europe - 13 kg per person; 850 thousand tons are consumed in Russia - 4,5 kg per person"
In Russia, palm oil is used to make special fats, such as ZMZH, equivalents of cocoa butter, filling fats, glaze fats, shortenings (confectionery fats), etc. Some products in which palm oil is one of the ingredients: oils and frying fats , shortenings, ghee, spreads, bulk margarines, mayonnaises and especially mayonnaise sauces, confectionery fats, soup mixes, milk fat and capsule palm oil substitutes.
The Russian Federation is increasing oil imports (almost all) and about a million tons of palm trees have been imported.
(for comparison with the "eternal theme" - Ukraine - we also have a maximum of 193,3 thousand tons)
About 60% of the total palm oil is consumed in Asia, mainly in Indonesia, India and China. The European Union accounts for 10% of consumption (6 million tons per year), the United States - 2% (1,2 million tons).
There is another bad thing. Many countries are trying to limit the harmfulness of this oil in products.
And every Russian, including infants, accounts for about seven kilograms of palm oil per year. Of course, there are products in which palm oil is indispensable - these are cosmetics and detergents. But, let's say, in the European Union, almost half of palm oil, imported mainly from Indonesia and Malaysia, is used as biofuel (since 2009, mixing it with gasoline has become mandatory)
According to the estimates of the former Minister of Agriculture of Russia Alexander Tkachev, cheap milk fat substitutes only last year did not allow purchasing 1,5 million tons of raw milk from Russian agricultural producers.
Russian authorities have repeatedly tried to combat the dominance of palm oil. For example, the Ministry of Agriculture, under the leadership of Alexander Tkachev, demanded a complete ban on the use of vegetable fats in the production of all dairy products. Tkachev also proposed introducing import quotas for palm and other vegetable oils. But, unfortunately, both initiatives of the Ministry of Agriculture failed. The palm lobby is too strong in parliament and government.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Do you still have photos of kilometer-long lines and empty shelves? Well it’s easy for me, from all regions of the RSFSR.

I don’t need to throw anything, I saw these photos and these lines myself. but only with time the ambush - all this was filmed in the late 80s and early 90s, when the humpbacked with the Bolsheviks actively ruined the Union by creating an artificial deficit in everything. and kilometer-long queues, it was for vodka, for sausage of such bursts anywhere I visited in those times, I didn’t see

[naidas]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Apparently we lived in different 80s.

Yes, they weren’t the same ones, it was just that the approach was different when we went to the city for groceries, it was surprising why we were transporting these products to the city, and even in backpacks and bags. In the metro we were called collective farmers. Imagine Moscow (15 minutes by metro to Red Square) 16-story buildings where the villages of Noviki were moved, Kolomenskoye had potatoes under the windows, someone had a garden fenced, chickens, one could not part with a cow-kept on the balcony. Milk from the cow in season until 1987. (the state farm worked on Kashirka), across the river the state farm the Garden Giant.

[Mcar]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And in fact, back in the 80s on the shelves of stores there were only bones with hooves and a total deficit in everything

But all the refrigerators were packed to capacity. Now there is a shelf abundance, but in the refrigerators of tens of millions of Russians the mouse hanged itself.

However, there is a difference between a shortage of goods and a shortage of consumption. In the Union, due to Khrushchev's anti-socialist reforms, there was a shortage of goods. And in the Russian Federation, against the background of store abundance, there is a shortage of consumption.

[Sarmat Sanych]

all the refrigerators were packed to capacity

?
Are you serious or are you laughing cleanly? What nafig "podzavyazki", besides pasta and second-grade jellied meat with sprat there was nothing to eat. And now in whatever supermarket you do not go in the evening - the queues for half a kilometer and in carts people are gaining as if they are preparing for the blockade.
It seems like this is our Russian fun - forever embellish and idialize the past tenfold, while constantly whining and complaining about the present. Probably there is no such people in the world anymore. In order not to be unfounded, take the average salary, for example, in the 89th (even with a reserve of 110 rubles, although there was about 100) and the current average salary (42 thousand according to Rosstat, well, let 35 be figs with him) and count how much, for example, a person could buy beef then (if he still gets it and at what price is a question) and now. Immediately, fantasies about the "bright past" will disappear.
The USSR had a lot of advantages, but food is not just not one of them, but it’s better not to mention it in vain.

[Mcar]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Are you serious or are you laughing cleanly? What nafig "podzavyazki", besides pasta and second-grade jellied meat with sprat there was nothing to eat.

Perhaps this was where you lived. In Khabarovsk, from the beginning of the 70s and up to the 90s, it was exactly as I said above: it is not crowded on the shelves, but it is full of refrigerators. Why did I remember this - it was wildly annoying that often it was impossible to quickly get what I wanted from the refrigerator. On each shelf, two, three "floors" of edible. And something like this was with everyone, friends, whom I went to visit.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And now what kind of supermarket you will not go to in the evening - people are gaining lines for half a kilometer and in carts as if preparing for a blockade.

And what conclusion do you make? What is everything fine? But this is a Chubaisyak conclusion: and those who did not fit into the market - why remember them? Maybe you don’t know that in the country there are only 40 million pensioners and 3/4 of them are miserable? And also a dozen two million, whose salary is not much more than a pension. You cannot be so selfish. I was told from childhood that this is not good. And you?

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

In order not to be unfounded, take the average salary, for example, in the 89th (let it be a reserve of 110 rubles, although there were about 100) and the current average salary (according to Rosstat, 42 thousand, well, let 35 be a fig with him) and count how much for example a person could buy beef then (if there is still a question and at what price) and now.

Ha ha ha Kill! In order not to lie now I’ll lie - that’s what you said.

Apparently, you are very young and do not know what and how it was in the Union even in the late 80s, not to mention the 70s. The average salary in 1989 was about 200 rudders:

This time. Secondly, it is more reasonable to rely on the minimum salary, since in the Union such salaries as Sechin did not even occur in a dream. So the minimum salary:
- USSR - 80 rubles.
- RF - 11 rubles.
And the first thing to do is take away the housing and communal services, i.e. an average of 5 rubles. in the USSR and 5 rubles. in the Russian Federation. What will be left? If you consider, as you suggest, beef, then in the USSR for 000 rubles it would be 75 kg, and for the current 35 rubles. only 6 kg will come out. You can at least compare, even with bus tickets, even matches, even trips to the sea - the picture will be about the same. And we haven’t taken the money from the Russian minimum wage yet, which should be set aside for the purchase of housing, for the operation of the child, for the education of children, and much more, that the Union did not cost a dime.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

The USSR had a lot of advantages, but food is not just not one of them, but it’s better not to mention it in vain.

You are not up to date.

Pay attention to how many products are disguised as Soviet GOSTs. Is this by chance? No! This is a mark of quality. All my childhood and adolescence I drank natural milk. The current urban, and even most of the rural population, is completely devoid of this. Modern food is a plastic surrogate. It was about this that the Nazis planned to feed according to the Ost plan.

[Sarmat Sanych]

McAr, do you at least understand that you are talking such nonsense that it can be entered into the Paris Palaiu of Weights and Measures as a standard of stupidity? What is the "average salary in 1989, 200 rubles"?)) You have some kind of alternative statistics that differ from the USSR Ministry of Statistics. Enough fantasizing, I also brought the number 110 with a margin, and do not drag your Khabarovsk here with known coefficients, my relatives worked and served in Blagoveshchensk at that time, I know how much their average salary was higher than in the BSSR.
Further, what the hell is the "minimum salary", do you even imagine (except maybe a tenth of pensioners) such loshki living on 11 thousand a month?)) This is what kind of hands out of your ass you need to be a man to be so lazy. In the Moscow region and the Kaluga region, it is impossible to find Uzbeks for construction sites for salary less than 25 thousand, what can we say about Russians who are less than 40000 for such objects and when they do not go. The average monthly salary in Russia is 42800 rubles for 2018, the average salary in 1989 is 110 rubles, so count at least for beef. And just do not write nonsense about 2 rubles per kg, for such a price you would only buy horns with hooves, and there was no fillet at all, even according to friends from the meat-packing plant (I myself lived next to the Mogilev meat-packing plant then, and a neighbor on the site worked there), on the bone something with veins through "his man" for 5 rubles - it's still possible. And it turns out that now it is not many times more than A TEN TIMES.
And who among you out of 3/4 of pensioners is begging there? I have a father-in-law in Chuvashia (to rob a poor region) neither a military pensioner nor a boss, I did not work in the north and my pension is 18 thousand. My mother-in-law has a couple of thousand

[Sarmat Sanych]

... The mother-in-law has a couple thousand less, they do not complain, and they certainly live MUCH BETTER THAN THEIR PARENTS. Plus, despite his advanced age, the father-in-law still has the opportunity to engage in small business, earning about 40 thousand more a month. A little, but they do not deny themselves anything. And this dilapidated reception about "Sechin's salary" has not worked here for a long time, firstly, where on the planet have you seen the head of the largest international corporation with a small salary, and secondly, even if you take his salary and divide it among all 147 million Russians, it will turn out well, let it be 4 kopecks a month)). You will of course say "so Sechin is not the only one there, there is Miller and in general there are a hundred such people there," then I will say that then we will all receive 10 rubles a month... But you will not give up and say - there are still oligarchs, and they have property and assets worth $ 200 billion, well, take it divided by 147 million and then for 12 months and see - we will get rich?) And notice this NOT LIVING MONEY, but only assets that can not be converted into money even by 20%, while "taking and dividing" as in 1917, these assets will lose their value 5 times plus a bunch of lawsuits, courts, an international embargo, export bans, sanctions - all this is completely non-excluded as you understand. Do you want to know what happened on this occasion during the Union? State or "public" property in the USSR meant that its owner and manager was the leadership of the government apparatus. The society in this property did not own NI CHEGO. A kind of state capitalism, when all the means of production belonged to the capitalist in the person of the state, and not to society. And the new ruling class, the party elite, controlled them and all the added value. Many idealize the USSR. But many also remember the phrase "And besides the salary, I have there ...". Without shame or concealment, people shared at the festive table what valuable things could be taken from work. By the way, citizens with Soviet upbringing and education destroyed the USSR.
Or do you want current examples of socialism? Cuba? North Korea? But look at socialism in Venezuela, but no, don’t look there. Breakthrough socialism: Annual inflation of 1%. The $ exchange rate for the year increased by 300%. For 000 years, the national debt has grown from 2 to 400% of GDP.
PS Even if you want better, but better than the last 10 years the Russian people have never lived, and you should not pretend that you do not see. Every year Russians buy about 80 million square meters of housing, about 2 million just new cars, annually about 25 million Russians spend their vacations abroad and about 60 million inside Russia - do you think these tens of millions are "middle class"? Last year's November "Black Friday" surpassed the sales of the same year 2017 THREE TIMES.
Whether it's the case in the USSR there are queues, you can buy figs, millions of photos of empty shelves (although you have "no free space in the refrigerator" - you can see special rations), the total indifference of officials, rudeness and alcoholism, etching by surrogates, long-term construction for 20 years are abandoned. Or where do you want to return, maybe 20 years ago ?! Please, 98th year: Kinder Surprise by the Prime Minister and s / n driver-electrician of pumping stations $ 6. And now Russia is the third-largest automotive market in Europe. By the way, last year in Russia a record-low number of abortions was performed for the whole history of the Russian Federation and the USSR (naturally since the ban was lifted in the late 50s) - about 550 thousand. Even 15 years ago there were about 5 million a year, even in Soviet times, about 2 million abortions were performed in the RSFSR. THIS MEANS THE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THEIR FUTURE, despite your decadent-nostalgic moods. I can add that in the past year, infant mortality in Russia reached the lowest level in the entire history of the country, no matter how it was previously called - 5 deaths per 1000 infants. This is even lower than the indicator of the USA - one of the absolute world leaders in the field of medicine, as well as obstetrics and gynecology in particular.
PS Listen, I have visited more than a dozen countries in my life and I can say with confidence: more than we complain about life - they do not complain and do not cry anywhere. And the products in those "developed" countries are UNWAYS NOT BETTER, but no one is talking about "plastic bread", "artificial cheese" and other nonsense.

[Mcar]

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McAr, do you at least understand that you are talking such nonsense that it can be entered into the Paris Palaiu of Weights and Measures as a standard of stupidity? What is the "average salary in 1989, 200 rubles"?)) You have some kind of alternative statistics that differ from the USSR Ministry of Statistics. Stop fantasizing, I also brought the number 110 with a margin

Why are you dishonoring yourself? Do you understand that because of your laziness you just sat in a puddle, and even farted in it?

http://istmat.info/node/9304

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Further, what the hell is the "minimum salary", do you even imagine (except maybe a tenth of the pensioners) such loshki living on 11 thousand a month?))

That's right, you can not count these "loshki" as people, or simply not think about them, not remember.

I have a serious question for you: Whose philosophy is closer to you - Goebbels or Chubais?

20% of Russians, or about 30 million, have incomes below 15 thousand per month. As for you, it would be better if they didn't exist, right? Aren't you ashamed to talk like that? Or they have already rebuilt in the Western, capitalist manner - in Western languages ​​there is no word "conscience" with the Russian meaning of this concept.

Here are the most ordinary people with real life stories, if the existence of their salary can be called life at all:
How do people live who get 10-15 thousand rubles a month? Some real stories
https://gubdaily.ru/blog/lifestyle/obzor/kak-zhivut-lyudi-poluchayushhie-10-15-tysyach-rublej-v-mesyac-neskolko-realnyx-istorij/

You are a transcendent egoist, but my health does not allow me to communicate with such people anyway - I was brought up. Hope for understanding.

PS. You should at least change your avatar - with such a philosophy Khrushchev is more suitable for you. Or Yeltsin. And best of all is Chubais.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Бггг)) "istmat.info" "" gubdaily.ru " Honestly, McAr, drink this morning? I told you - give links to the Ukrainian "Observer", or rather it will be). Not only was the pretzel on the yellow resource from the bulldozer drawn, but also the pre-tax initial data most likely took. I cite the data of the IMF and the World Bank for those periods, and they, respectively, were checked with the USSR Ministry of Statistics.
Regarding the poor, you already as a well-known character jump from side to side over a certain substance, then at first they talked about 11 thousand, now about 15000.Do not find link 11? What a shame ... Already there, determine the numbers. Yes, in Russia there are 19 million beggars (and not 30, you are juggling again), but what is there on the planet even if there is one country without beggars? Everywhere millions, including in any country in Europe. Even in the richest country on the planet syshya - even then under 50 million poor and homeless. The question is if a person leads an associative lifestyle and an alcoholic drug addict - is the state to blame for this?
Well, not really, as in the proverb "If a member is short, then the Kremlin is to blame")). And I did not speak about pensioners with such an income, everything is clear here, there have always been small pensions, including under the Soviet Union. But I don’t need to braid what I didn’t say - it’s about if you’re a healthy man, woman, head on your shoulders - what the hell are "15 thousand"? Yes, even ordinary painters and plasterers calmly have their forty, I am already silent about taxi drivers, military men, doctors, police, engineers, installers, locksmiths, trade. A welder is calm now even in the regions at construction sites, in shipbuilding, the military-industrial complex can earn 80 pieces, and if you are inert, then 200 is quite real.
And about "avatar" not for you to tell, complainers and alarmists that PERSONA oh, how did not complain, they were the first to answer.

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Are you serious or are you laughing cleanly? What nafig "podzavyazki", besides pasta and second-grade jellied meat with sprat there was nothing to eat

where did you live, poor fellow? or was he bombing in a landfill? everyone had, he didn’t. did not try to work?

[Sarmat Sanych]

What did you have, miracle? Toilet paper for the New Year, and the rest of the time is newspaper? Queues of hundreds of meters, coupons for sugar and fights at the counter? And now, Russians annually buy about 2 million new cars and 80 million square meters of housing, plus retail sales are growing every year. Found what to compare. Didn’t try to work?

[Demon_is_ada]

And you, my friend, are either stupid, or you work for Western propaganda, there simply cannot be a third, so choose yourself what you like
Let's start with the fact that many things that you personally associate with "prosperity" were not at that time, not only in the "dense" USSR, but (you won't believe it) even in OMERICA, namely, mass cell phones (in the USSR by the way, the collective farm chairmen and other bosses already had a prototype in their official cars), washing machines had just appeared and were free in the store, but it cost about 800. At that time, the meat in stores was banal rotten, refrigeration equipment was not very good, and about the queues during working hours, the shops were empty, but from visitors. By the way, now the queues in Auchan have already gotten me , flawed catalytics...
Well, as for housing, but how much did lope in grams in the USSR give up? Do not confuse technical progress and the achievements of "light-faced" liberals in the leadership, these are antagonisms - technicians and humanitarian liberals ... And the growth of trade ... is it absolute, or is it still relative?

[Sarmat Sanych]

My friend, I apologize but you do not know how to read between the lines and do not understand the cause and effect relationships. I HATE THE CURRENT ECONOMIC LIBERALS, but I also see no reason to return the USSR (to which everyone here dreams of the period 60-80s). And not because it was bad for people (actually not bad), but because KOSYGINSKAYA ECONOMY HAS ALREADY LEADED TO Ultimately the collapse of the most powerful state of the planet built in the 20-50s-XNUMXth. And people have nostalgia, without understanding the utopianism of this model and even more so the inevitable even greater catastrophe when trying to reincarnate.
Well, the current hype and baseless slander of the Newcomers and leftists (often paid and in the back) of all OBJECTIVE good in the development of the country (confirmed by facts) as you understand, I also don’t like. Moreover, this denigration plays clearly in what interests. Suppose that in some cases people do this unknowingly, but the situation is being managed correctly, throws into the information space occur regularly, the information line follows the information line. And then at the right time and a match they will bring Everything according to the legacy of the late Sharp's grandfather.

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What did you have, miracle?

I had an apartment that I got for free, I bought my first car in 1985, with toilet paper, there was some strain, but I did have to take it, however, with large drawers, queues for hundreds of meters and coupons were already late Gorbachev and early Yeltsin. 80 million square meters is who lives in them? miller? Chemez? will they give you an apartment for free, or will you have to buy it? but you could buy it in the USSR. But how many millions of cars were bought not on credit? And the growth in retail trade is only due to higher prices, even the Federal State Statistics Service acknowledged this. did not try to think?

[Sarmat Sanych]

80 MILLION Miller with Chemezov?))) Yes, you're right, that’s right. But Putin generally lives on a BILLION square meter with one ass and sa drives 2 million new cars.
What the hell is a "free apartment"? The state property is owned by the state, which is not only impossible to sell, but you can also live in it while you work at a particular enterprise. He moved to another city and what is called the priest raised - he lost his place (housing). I am silent about the quality of those panels, Khrushchevs.
With regards to cars, there is far from everything on credit, but it is better to stand on a loan than a Zhiguli in line for 7 years, and then repair it yourself and look for the part during the day with fire.
And yes, by my occupation I know the economy of the Union, there were a lot of positive aspects (a number of things are worth applying now), but not in the consumer sector, it’s better not to recall this at all. In addition, everyone remembers precisely the best period of life in the USSR - 70-85, and if we are to be objective, then we must remember others.

[Ingvar 72]

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with Chemezov?))

I don't know about Chemezov, but Kolesov N.A., the head of the Radioelectronic Technologies concern, which is part of Rostec, completed the construction of a villa in Dubai at the end of 2018. Price for a yard of greenery. His official salary is MUCH more modest.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Villa billion $))) Who is this blizzard designed for? Do you know that the GIGANTE BUILDING BURJA KHALIFA ON THE LAND in Dubai (and the most expensive in the world by the way) cost only about 1 billion? And the most expensive villa in California does not reach 150 million? Guys, if you are letting out a lie, at least give out a metered dose, or else you’ll be fired. And stop watching the videos of the sect of the Anal Concerns, it doesn’t bring to good)

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Villa billion $)))

Well, a billion dolars may be a bit too much, and 5 billion rubles per apartment for Chemezov’s and a half lard for the miller (ugh, some kind of rogue), is that how?

[Sarmat Sanych]

A billion rubles is about $ 25 million. Well, where on planet Earth did you see the low-paid leader of the largest transnational copywriting? You will be very surprised, but not only in Omerik, but even in China there are their own conventional Sechins and they receive millions of $. Yes, I would also like this, but what can I do))

[Ingvar 72]

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Well, where on planet Earth did you see the low-paid leader of the largest transnational copywriting?

It’s not a question, but what if the expenses are tens of times higher than income?

[Sarmat Sanych]

What are the expenses and incomes, more details please. If you say that Miller and Sechin are such a salary, then I am certainly unhappy and would like myself the same. If you are talking about the effectiveness of their work, then more specifically, we have little data to accurately judge this. But something is known even without closed information, Gazprom, for example, pushed through its numerous international projects, despite TITANIALLY opposition from Syshya and their allies, and now SP-2 and Turkish Stream and TP-2 and Baltic LNG and others have been quietly and successfully implemented ... In fact, Gazprom has skillfully put the Americans, the most powerful lobbyists on the planet, on the shoulder. The situation is the same for Rosneft. By the way, few people know that Rosneft is now pledging almost half of the shares of Citgo, the company that controls 20% of refining and filling stations in India. Roughly speaking, Sechin and his company can easily make the energy collapse "exceptional")).
PS But I repeat once again - I am not happy with the large salaries of top managers. As I think, ANY person of any country is dissatisfied with the salaries of the leaders of the largest companies of his homeland.

[Ingvar 72]

Is your minus button jammed? In childhood did not play enough?

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What are the costs and income

The specific head of the state corporation, N. Kolesov

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Rosneft now holds almost half of Citgo, a company that controls 20% of the refining and refueling stations in P. Indosia, as a pledge.

Kindergarten, by God. They can easily be seized, like all of Russia's assets abroad. Maduro wanted to take gold from England, so what?
And the answer to the question why our government is so worried about the Internet in every house (Medvedev stated), and gasification is far from every house, and this despite the fact that you still have to pay about 100000 rubles for connection. But we pull flows everywhere. Uncle's wife?

[Sarmat Sanych]

Who says about a button there? Anyone who spanks minus?)
What nafig "wheels", I told you about some kind of wheel? Found it yourself (invented, subtracted - choose the one you need) - find out for yourself.
With regards to some mythical "confiscations", then only in your head. You will be greatly surprised, but the world is not Ukroina, it is not so easy to confiscate there if someone visits. And if the Indos decide to confiscate them, then we will confiscate theirs by TWO ORDERS MORE:

Russia has not even introduced real sanctions against the United States. The cost of American assets in the Russian Federation (Coca-Cola, Exxon Mobil, GM, Dow, Pepsi, City Group, Chevron Corporation, Kraft Foods, Cargill, Ford, GE, etc.) is more than half a trillion $, this is more than 100 (! ) factories. Our investments in the US Federal Reserve are only $ 11 billion, while the value of private Russian assets in the United States is only $ 10 billion. We can easily confiscate $ 500 billion of American assets and they are not in a position to prevent us, because if they attack, they will receive the complete nuclear destruction of the States.
Also, Russia can completely paralyze the nuclear energy of America, and indeed the whole world. Rosatom is the only company on the planet that has a cost-effective uranium enrichment technology. All world manufacturers of MOX fuel for nuclear power plants, including the American Westinghouse, depend on it, and it will not be difficult for Russia to arrange an energy apocalypse for the States, leaving all their nuclear power plants without fuel. Also a disaster for America will be our refusal to return and send their astronauts to the ISS. The cost of both the Russian and American segments of the ISS is $ 1 trillion, and here various options are possible, such as -
the death of the American segment without astronauts (the death of a trillion $ I recall), the confiscation of orphan trillion equipment by Russians, in general, different options.

And why are you here shutting down gasification, for a word of red? Gasification of the country is growing, already above 68%. And external flows do not interfere with the process in any way, while under the Union these flows, I remind you once again pulled no less intensively, Yamal-Europe-friendship and so on as proof. Although yes, the Communists did not supply gas to the RSFSR for more than half, Russia had to deal with the process. But the "fraternal" republics at the expense of the budget of the RSFSR were gasified only on the way - Armenia was gasified by 95%, Georgia by 93% and further on the list.
PS By the way, as a person associated with energy construction, I explain: 68% is close to the maximum rate of gasification in our country, because more than 80% does not make sense to gasify it, a number of regions do not have gas delivery capabilities due to technical and energy features, but in huge quantities someone has coal, someone has fuel oil, someone is a close source of the cheapest hydropower in the world, someone else has it right in the region of the nuclear power plant (of which we have a lot), etc. Therefore, everything is according to plan, and your sketch is again in a puddle.

[Ingvar 72]

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Anyone who spanks minus?)

I didn’t put a single minus to you, in any topic. Sick for a long time a childhood illness.

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The country's gas supply is growing, already above 68%.

Do not tell tales. PGT Mezhdurechensk - more than half of the private sector is not gasified. They promise for a long time, although the pipe is nearby. The village of Yagodnoye - gas from a neighboring street cannot be reached for 8 years. Throw these pathos reports on gasification, I believe more in the eyes.
P.S. What can you say about Chemezov's Apartment? Navalny is certainly a provocateur, but he posts truthful information. He told especially well about the billions wasted by Chemezov's wife.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Ingvar 72, because of the work schedule I do not immediately respond to your feedback. And there are some "Chemezovs' apartments" here, what am I to their lawyer? With regards to the Anal - yes, this buffoon and the sect of his concubines were caught on nonsense hundreds of times, there is even nothing to discuss. There really is not an ounce of truth, and what else to expect from a pro-Indos ghoul, and even with two convictions.
Regarding gasification - this is the data of the Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Novak plus confirmed by an independent SoyuzNefteGaz. The World Bank incidentally, through its analysts, also confirms this data.

[Ingvar 72]

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There is really not a gram of truth there, and what else to expect from the prop.indosovsky ghoul and even with two convictions.

It’s retired that he is Pendosovsky, but what will nobody sue him, neither Medvedev, nor Zolotov, nor Chemezov? No one has canceled the article for defamation!

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these are the data of the Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Novak plus confirmed by the independent SoyuzNefteGaz. The World Bank incidentally, through its analysts, also confirms this data.

It is unrealistic to argue with you - one thing for you, you are in return winning reports. As for KAMAZ trucks. Only I see in another reality I live.

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If you are talking about the fact that Miller and Sechin are such s / n, then I'm certainly not happy

you are quieter, quieter, God forbid, miller finds out, he will be offended

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and now both SP-2 and Turkish Stream and TP-2 and Baltic LNG and others are quietly and successfully implemented

you, in general, follow the situation? these projects are still at the design stage, and whether they will be implemented is a big question

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In fact, Gazprom masterfully put on the blades of the Americans

Gazprom masterfully laid itself down by promising China preferences on the strength of Siberia, thereby significantly reducing the price of contracts in Europe, they also want, like the Chinese

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Roughly speaking, Sechin and his company can easily make the energy collapse "exceptional"))

they successfully make this collapse at home, raising fuel prices above their heads
"Citgo belongs to Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA and owns three refineries and 6000 gas stations in the United States "and its shares were transferred to Rosneft on collateral to secure a $ 1,5 billion loan issued by Rosneft to Venezuela. In connection with the recent events in and around Venezuela, chances of getting a loan back are very illusory.so you are right, Rosneft has the same situation as Gazprom

[Sarmat Sanych]

Bggg) My advice to you is enough to collect various gossip on the Internet and go where you don’t know anything.

you, in general, follow the situation? these projects are still at the design stage, and whether they will be implemented is a big question

You know this song, "Wake up and Sing" is called? It's about you. The Turkish Stream is ALREADY ONE MONTH BUILT. Here TP-2 and SP-2 are really being completed, one got about 30% to build, the second 45%. And where is your "big question"? Maybe you don’t believe in the existence of one of the world's largest Crimean Bridge as our maydanut non-brothers?)) They don’t even believe in two ultra-modern CHPPs built in Crimea). Remove the pan already, 2019 is in the yard.
Then you have already begun verbal diarrhea

they successfully make this collapse at home, raising fuel prices above their heads

Where do you have sho "above your head"? In Russia, the price of gasoline is 3 times lower than in Europe, one of the lowest in the CIS, lower than in P.indosia (by the way, they have the 1st place in the world in terms of production) and 2,5 times lower than in China ( if that is the 5th place in the world in terms of production).
Rosneft practically took all its debts from Venezuela in full, only a small $ 2,3 billion remained. At the same time, the Russian corporation has been successfully pumping oil from Venezuela for almost 15 years at a cost of almost tens of billions of dollars. Well, estimate your brains how much Rosneft earned during this time))
That's why you always get a bunch in a puddle, did not think?

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The Turkish Stream is ALREADY ONE MONTH BUILT. Here TP-2 and SP-2 are really being completed, one got about 30% to build, the second 45%. And where is your "big question"?

my advice to you is do not watch different nonsense on TV. The project is considered implemented when money for the delivered goods begins to flow. I hope you, as a certified economist, will not argue with this? or now they think in a different way? So, sp2-they just throw a pipe into the water. The issue with Denmark along the route has been resolved, otherwise I was distracted by something? some microscopic denmark successfully inhibits such a powerful undertaking. what if trump is taken seriously? when they introduce cn2, if they enter? tp, the water part has been commissioned 70%, they intend to build a land input on the coast in Turkey and a land part on the ground with us. tp2- so far only determined with the route. so that money is still very far away, and not the fact that there will be

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In Russia, the price of gasoline is 3 times lower than in Europe, one of the lowest in the CIS, lower than in P. Indosia (by the way they have 1st place in the world in production) and 2,5 times lower than in China ( if that 5th place in the world in production).

here is the answer of the faithful zaputinets and fan of the first channel. I don’t even want to say anything, my friend clearly doesn’t understand, or he doesn’t have a car

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Rosneft took back almost all its debts from Venezuela in PRACTICALLY, only a small $ 2,3 billion remained

2,3 billion left, and even 6 billion prepayments made, for oil not yet received

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At the same time, the Russian corporation has been successfully pumping oil from Venezuela for almost 15 years at a cost of almost tens of billions of dollars. Well, estimate your brains how much Rosneft earned during this time))

"Since 2006, the Russian government and Rosneft have provided at least $ 17 billion in loans to Caracas, Reuters reports." and when will we return them, or not, will we forgive, as always?
"According to Reuters, Sechin arrived in Caracas (at the end of November 2018) at the head of a large delegation. First, he met with officials of the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA at the Caracas hotel, and then with Maduro, reproaching him for the supply of Venezuelan oil They are noticeably behind schedule and will not be fully implemented, while Venezuela is behaving more correctly with respect to Chinese companies.

"He indicated that Venezuela is fulfilling obligations to China, but not to them," said one of the agency's sources.
so Rosneft doesn’t have all the ice, especially in Venezuela
maybe add 2 + 2? or economic education does not allow such complex calculations?

[Sarmat Sanych]

I was busy at work, so I just noticed your blowout. Listen, well, right - you’re drawn in where you don’t understand at all. Really sit on the Internet collecting gossip. Like a woman, by God. I repeat once again, "expert on completed projects" - there is no Crimean Bridge either? YAMAL-LNG-1 and YAMAL-LNG-2 as it is, is not it a mirage? "The pipe was thrown" only in your garden, and at the moment, SP-2 has built almost 700 km - this is about 60%, they are ahead of all schedules, NordStreamAG broadcasts, google for help. TP-1, the sea part was 100% built already 1,5 months ago, the overland part will be completed in the next couple of months, TP-2 is not only under construction, but the construction of gas crossings m / d by Turkey and Bulgaria as well as Bulgaria and Serbia is underway. Our office works closely with members of SoyuzNefteGaz, and competent people there claim that both SP-2 and TP-2 will start three months ahead of schedule. In principle, everything is logical.
Further, what nafig "6 contributed"? Rosneft is a public company that reports to shareholders, according to the latest report, the FULL debt of both PDVSA and the Venezuelan government to Rosneft is $ 2,3 billion - no more and no less.
With regards to the panic miasms that are sent out by Indian media such as Reuters, there is no point in commenting on these ghouls and the fact that we are poisoning Skripals they write about the "Wagner Mozarts" defending Maduro and about the "Russian BUK" and about Trump the agent Putin. The motive is simple - to discredit and squeeze out a geopolitical competitor from the region, although it is a complete bummer. You can just understand them, here's the fact that you pick out any dandruff on the Internet from under your nails - it makes you think)

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not only in Omerik, but even in China there are their own conventional Sechins and they receive millions of $.

China, the US and Russia did not try to compare the economy? Why should he pay a salary, how big, if he only eats, how big?

[Sarmat Sanych]

Have you tried to compare the population of Russia and America with China? At the same time, Russia's GDP at PPPs of $ 4,2 trillion is the 5th in the world, higher than that of Germany, France, Canada and Britain, plus gold reserves of $ 472 billion and the 5th world's gold reserve of 2200 tons.
Regarding Rosneft and Gazprom, even under the conditions of total global sanctions, it is in the top five (and sometimes even win) ratings of the most successful and dynamic energy companies on the planet. For all the rating agencies, and I think the guys there are smarter than you. By the way, both Gazprom and Rosneft have been Russia's largest taxpayers for a decade.

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Have you tried to compare the population of Russia and America with China?

and where does the population, even if we even have nails from China?

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PPP RF GDP of $ 4,2 trillion - 5th in the world, higher than Germany, France, Canada and Britain

this, as I understand it, is higher than that of all of them combined? What GDP can there be in a country almost devoid of industry? in a country that, like 300 years ago, sells hemp, wax, flax and blubber abroad? (for historian economists, I explain crude oil, gas, logs, wheat) on taxes, yes, both Gazprom and Rosneft pay something in budget, but they receive from the budget, to maintain the pants, not weak money. ratings are a very subjective indicator, and directly depend on the fees of smart guys who rivet them

[Sarmat Sanych]

Bgggg)) I repeat - you are boring, speak with the slogans of a learned agitprop, the thought goes in a circle, a set of stamps, your next outburst can be predicted. Wake up already, the volume of Russian exports is $ 450 BILLION, OF THESE $ 150 BILLION -
NON-RAW MATERIAL EXPORT. Read and end up suffering crap: http://www.iarex.ru/articles/64255.html
 http://www.iarex.ru/articles/64291.html
 http://www.iarex.ru/articles/64304.html

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Wake up already, the volume of Russian exports is $ 450 BILLION, OF THESE $ 150 BILLION -
NON-MATERIAL EXPORT

and 300 billion dollars — raw materials, isn't it? and of these 150 billion that we have — airplanes, ships, computers? oh yes, titanium, for americos and 3 engines for missiles, for them, but titanium in ingots and ingots, or already finished parts? and two more digits, especially for you, 1,77 and 1,67. the first is the share of Russia in the global GDP, in percent, the second is the same for Mexico. we were able to overtake such an economic giant. in 2000, Russia, in my opinion, had 7%. In just 20 years, GDP showed a negative growth, as they say in the government, by 4 times. but you continue to believe that all is well. and when the polar fox comes, don’t say how it was so good everything, loans, mortgages, Chinese nails, and on you. never was, and here again

[Sarmat Sanych]

Kindergarten panties with straps. You have again a manipulation based on statistics, I can say that champignons are deadly, everyone who ate champignons in 1900 is dead. Prove the opposite)
I repeat once again: the Russian Federation's GDP by PPP is 4,1 trillion - 5-6th in the world, higher than Britain, Italy, France and equal to Germany's GDP. Consequently, Russia's share in the world's GDP is higher than Britain, Italy, France, Canada and equal to Germany's, if in percentages, then it is 2,5%, well, only 2% of the world's population lives with us. Regarding Mexico, their population is only 25% smaller than ours, while their GDP by PPP is almost 3 times less than Russia's, and their gold and foreign exchange reserves are ten times less.
And finish with the "nails", China is our nuclear reactors, Su-35, helicopters Kamov, Mil, S-400 and isotopes for billions of dollars, and you clung to the nails. You often use them, don't you rush without nails at all in the XNUMXst century?)) If the whole world (including Europe) buys all these Chinese trinkets like nails, screws, lighters and key chains from Sinanthropy, start accusing them of "backwardness".
And the "polar fox" as well as the death of GREAT RUSSIA, all sorts of infantiles have been waiting for centuries, although RUSSIA IS COSTS FOR MORE THAN THOUSAND YEARS.
PS You do not get distracted, I say - look at the export structure of the Union, you will be pleasantly surprised. More than 90% are raw materials, these gas pipelines-Yamal-Europe-oil pipelines-friendship-gas-turbine-all are built under the Union. And something didn’t soar to anyone, and the country with the highest human development index on Earth also doesn’t soar Norway, although oil and gas exports in general are about 50%.

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Quote: Sarmat Sanych

You have statistics-based manipulation again

and who brought these numbers? I just explained what they mean, but you don’t understand

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

I repeat once again: RF GDP at PPP% 4,1 trillion - 5-6th in the world, higher than that of Britain, Italy, France and equal to the GDP of Germany. Consequently, Russia’s share in the world’s GDP is higher than that of Britain, Italy, France, Canada and equal to Germany, if it is 2,5% as a percentage, well, so we have only 2% of the world population. With regards to Mexico, the people living with them are only 25% less than ours, while their PPP GDP is almost 3 times less than the Russian one, and gold reserves less than ten times

this is called manipulation of statistics. He smiled especially: equal GDP in Germany and us. the main thing is not how they vote, the main thing is how they think, they think right

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

these Chinese trinkets like nails, screws, lighters and key chains from Sinanthropia the whole world (including Europe) buys,

it was, in fact, not about trinkets and lighters, but screws and nails are not trinkets. you, an economist, need to know this. Besides, this world itself produces and sells, in addition to piece goods, reactors and helicopters, and I’m sure they make their nails in Germany, they’ll take them far from China
and about the USSR. The historian economist needs to know these numbers:
http://istmat.info/node/9321

[Sarmat Sanych]

Oh, how tired you are of Newcomers. Guys, why don’t you work, just scribble? At least get down to business. I SAY OFFICIAL DATA CONFIRMED BY IMF and World Bank, questions?
FOR ESPECIALLY UNbelievers OUR PRODUCTION AND EXPORT BY ITEMS:
 http://www.iarex.ru/articles/64255.html
 http://www.iarex.ru/articles/64291.html
 http://www.iarex.ru/articles/64304.html
Germany has its nails, really? Maybe also in the USA? My office works with Europe and above all with Germany, we send delegations of Russian businessmen several times a year there, and now we are preparing a large delegation for April with the Ministry of Construction and the Ministry of Energy to Bauma in Munich. I think, better than yours, I know how many even in the most industrialized country in the world of Germany there are my nails, screws, drills and bolts. And the world produces reactors, only the whole Earth taken together AS ONE RUSSIA. Yes, and for the production of helicopters, we are in the 2nd-3rd place in the world, and this is considering Finnemekakiku + Airbus + etc. as a whole (in short, the united European aviation industry), and in general the first ones, even Sikorski is ahead.
PS And chatting with istmat.info please do not send any more, I told you - it's better to print from the Ukrainian "Observer", the effect is the same. The Soviet economy had a lot of advantages, but as soon as the United States and Saudi Arabia threw off oil prices a little, our huge economic machine failed (and you know that). because the main export earnings to the Union came from oil and gas.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

because the main export revenue to the Union came from oil and gas

You wrote so many words above, but I don't even want to remember them_ I already wrote to you - the main thing is how they count, that's why they calculated your GDP correctly. And so many people from your office go to Germany, know the industry of this country down to the last nail and believe the nonsense about the equality of their and our GDP. I sent you a link about the USSR's exports. But you didn't read it, since you continue to claim that the main export revenue to the Union came from oil and gas. It's not interesting to talk to you, you are very predictable, how your site is made. Although what's surprising? A young uneducated Putin supporter who does not know how to evaluate information and compare it with the actual state of affairs (as Bender said - this is not an insult, it is a statement of fact). in a country with a successful economy, the retirement age is not raised, but lowered, in a country with a GDP like Germany's, real incomes do not decrease, but grow, in a country with a developed economy, senators do not steal billions and do not kill people, and there are other facts that are not written on websites like Young Putin and Made in Our Country

[Sarmat Sanych]

Бггг) That seems to be a person who writes in Russian, but does not understand what is written. What nafik "miscalculated"? Clung to this cartoon about counting and run like with a written sack. GDP of the Russian Federation at PPP $ 4,1 trillion - this is the official data of the IMF and the World Bank - are the fools sitting there according to you? Al our allies to present us in the best light? You have been given three links, read carefully, there are POINTS OF EACH POSITION OF THE RUSSIAN EXPORT. At least think of a little bit of cause and effect with your head. It's better not to start talking about the USSR at all, I told you a clear indicator - the price of oil slurry was slightly lowered and everything went wrong. The GDP of the USSR for 1990 was 1 trillion Soviet rubles. At the official exchange rate, 1 US dollar at that time was worth 59 kopecks. From this it follows that the size of the Union's GDP was $ 1,7 trillion. Analysts at the IMF calculated the economy of the USSR by purchasing power parity; in 1990 it was $ 2,7 trillion. This is certainly a lot. But with this indicator they would now be in 9th place. And I will note - it was the ENTIRE USSR, with a 2 times large population, without hundreds of thousands of unbroken industrial ties and chains. About the retirement age - in which country is the retirement age reduced? In Italy?) So this cartoon has long been exposed. Or a fake about China? So you know even less about him than about Germany. Emo communists about "great China": 1) No "free" utilities
2) There is no "free" gasoline. Now, for example, rubles in China are 78 rubles for 95. At the same time, China is the 4th in the world in oil production and the 2nd in the world in the production of gasoline.
3) Electricity is more expensive in bulk than ours at retail. The retail price per sq / h in China is 2-4 (depending on the province) times higher than in Russia.
4) No social
5) Tough business conditions
6) The retirement age is systematically increasing to 70. Pensions are paid most often by enterprises. Collective farmers, entrepreneurs and workers (excluding miners) do not receive any pensions at all. The main problem is the rapidly aging population due to 50 years of "1 family - 1 child" practice. On the 18th, reforms began in the PRC, the ultimate goal of which is to increase the retirement age. Women are expected to increase by 1 year every 3 years, men - 1 year every 6 years.
THE PENSION AGE WILL BE RAISED ON THE WHOLE PLANET, and long before Russia, in the CIS in general a few years ago, in my small homeland of "socialist Belarus" "socialist and communist" Lukashenko quietly and calmly raised him a couple of years ago and no one even stood upright. I am silent about Europe, there the average exit age is 67 years (for both women and men), and contrary to popular belief, only 15% of pensioners can afford to ride in retirement resorts even in the richest EU country Germany, let alone other countries.
And what are your complaints about Sdelanunas? Thousands of vsepalschikov tried to find at least one discrepancy there and broke off. Try and you, the flag in hand as they say. Everything that is indicated there - you can go to the region and see with your own eyes, but you prefer stuffing, right?)) And this is present, now there is an informational lead after an informational lead on the network, just like the Khkhlov in 2013 before the mandan, and then bring a match ... But they just crap in the wrong country, we are developing and moving forward like an icebreaker. Huber? I don’t like the governors and officials either, well, so they are only put on the road, there are already a dozen governors in prisons, and also ministers, generals, lower officials, it does not pass so that someone is not arrested, only in the last couple of days heads of local administrations and one big American rogue investor - that's what they've heard. Recently, the main hotbed of Russian "liberalism" - the Higher School of Economics - has begun to be ransacked, a full external audit is being carried out, there are complaints about the waste of funds, including against its rector Kuzminov, by the way, Nabiullina's husband. Nobody listens to all the claims of the liberal government on this matter, they just consistently do business.
So large-scale construction of transport and social infrastructure will begin that the country has not seen, from the 20-30s, hundreds of thousands of kilometers of railway, roads, bridges, hundreds of millions of square meters of housing, renewal of energy and communal infrastructure, etc. - Only the next 6 years will allocate 26 trillion rubles.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Or a fake about China? So you know about it even less than about Germany

reluctance to look for arguments for you, you still don’t understand. here about China, I accidentally got a press release of the Communist Party, which asked not to worry about the possible consequences for the economy: “In the age of technology, when machines can increasingly replace heavy human labor, any state is obliged to take care of the rest of its citizens and gradually improve conditions their life and work. ”
The Russian state media announced all this as fake, and one leading state channel even announced on the air that in China there are no pensions at all and there is nothing to reduce, they say. In fact, since 1949, civil servants and industrial workers who have worked in the organization for more than 15 years have received the basic pension. And since 1997, workers in private enterprises and peasants have received a pension in China. but this, of course, the machinations of the Communists
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Quote: Sarmat Sanych

I don’t like guberas and officials either, well, they’re only put them on the road, there are already a dozen guberas in prisons, and ministers, generals, and officials are lower, for it’s impossible to prevent someone from being arrested

so they are all still under investigation, and they are threatened with criminal punishment, he will threaten, and stop, they will be released, apologize, return everything honestly earned by backbreaking labor. or was the example of Vasilyeva also invented by communists? you are not interesting, the arguments are flat, like income tax. I am not interested in the retelling of the first channel and what you have done. and the cartoon about PPS too, it is not even funny anymore

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And the world produces reactors, only the whole Earth taken together AS ONE RUSSIA. Yes, and for the production of helicopters, we are in the 2nd-3rd place in the world, and this is considering Finnemekakiku + Airbus + etc. as a whole (in short, the united European aviation industry), and in general the first ones, even Sikorski is ahead.

They don't need reactors, that's why they don't build them. About helicopters, in 2016, experts from a European company gave fifth place to Russian Helicopters, with a 5% share. Other suppliers, including American Boeing, accounted for about 3%. As for military vehicles, Sikorsky took first place here, with a 22% share, Russian Helicopters came in second with a 19,5% share, and American Boeing came in third with a 13,5% share. In 2018, Russia produced about 220 helicopters in total, including military ones. Something like that. If anything, this is not from Channel One

[Sarmat Sanych]

Except as infantilism I cannot explain your fantasies, some clichés - "intruder", "first channel", etc. A standard predictable set of stamps. P.indosia on its territory cannot even finish building reactors, not to mention the failed contracts of Westinghouse in China, the French Areva has the same situation - they are crap and cannot finish building both in the PRC and in Britain, in short, a complete bummer. The Indian Indos have also fully acknowledged their helplessness in centrifuges and are now critically dependent on our enriched uranium, Russia can cut off their supplies and cut off 22% of the entire nuclear energy "city on the hill". We can bury them in simpler terms. And European studies are different, objective data on helicopters are such that we are on the 1st-2nd place on the issue of civilian and military.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

We can bury them simply put. And European studies are different, objective data on helicopters are such that we are on the issue of civil and military in the 1st-2nd place

people like you, they have been buried for 100 years, somehow it doesn't work out. and for helicopters - 5% is not the first place. or the second? you decide there

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

80 MILLIONS Miller with Chemezov?))) Yes, you're right, that’s right. But Putin generally lives on a BILLION square meter with one ass and sa drives 2 million new cars

don't try to seem dumber than you really are. because I understood perfectly what I wanted to say.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

What the hell is a "free apartment"?

I don’t know, I lived and live in it, no one took it from me, although I worked at different enterprises
"A loan is better than standing in line for 7 years for a Lada, and then repairing it yourself and looking for a part with fire during the day."
it didn’t bother me, although I traveled a lot, and cho didn’t go, gas cost 40 kopecks. and in general, the stories that Lada often broke, exaggerated at least half

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

In addition, everyone remembers precisely the best period of life in the USSR - 70-85, and if we are to be objective, then we must remember others.

why am I going to remember the 30s, if I began to live independently in the 70s
no need to tell me and my peers how bad it was to live in the USSR. yes, not everything was good, the economy was developing somewhat one-sided, there were excesses and shortcomings, but there was also confidence in the future, confidence that your work would be appreciated, people were more open and honest, in general, you could count on help strangers, and they helped me, and I helped. despite all the "horrors of the USSR", the population grew, the country lived and developed. but a black sheep was found, which united the rest of the sheep with tales of sausage and jeans, and now the result is that the country is dying out and degrading. and there will be no war - in 20 years the people will be mortally tired of their power, and will choose some Trump, or Macron, since there is no one in their country. it probably won't be better, but the situation needs to be changed before they crumble into a bunch of poor bantustans

[Sarmat Sanych]

So, let's go with all sorts of nostalgic snot)). Dude, do you even think about what you're writing? His country was great, the people were kind and smart, the CPSU as a driving force was wise and strong, only tens of millions of people suddenly exchanged everything for jeans and chewing gum, rushed to believe in chumaks and other healers, everyone suddenly became angry and everything went to hell. The most fucking humane Soviet people who read the most lost their heads in ecstasy in the Mariahizaurov and Kashpirovsky series. Didn't the marked one come from the CPSU? Shevardnadze, Yakovlev, the alcoholic Borka and other ghouls - they're not from there? What does "a black sheep was found" have to do with it, do you really think it's about one or two sheep? What kind of naive people are you, 28 years have passed, it's time to grow up. Khodorkovsky with Ryzhiy and the rest of the young company - weren't they Komsomol leaders? Didn't the red directors later become shareholders of their enterprises? Where are the Chekists, where were they looking? Who REALLY stood up for defense and didn't imitate? Where exactly were you in 91, when it was falling apart? I love my homeland - the USSR, I grew up and studied there, and as an economist I know about the advantages of the economy of the 20-50s and 60-80s better than many here on the site, BUT! You tell me something else - what kind of system is this that, having not existed for 72 years, fell apart like a house of cards. And you and others like you are nostalgic, wanting to return everything to how it was, without really understanding why the system failed. And knowing the reasons, you would understand that it could not help but fail and even existed longer than it should have. And if it had existed for another 10 years after 91, it would have been even worse in the event of a collapse, another trillion dollars in today's prices would have been pumped into the fraternal union republics and numerous friendly Vietnam-Cuba-Libya-GDR-Lumumba. - AND EVERYTHING LISTED WAS FINANCED EXCLUSIVELY FROM THE BUDGET OF THE RSFSR. Even ALL! union republics were subsidized, the BSSR alone broke even. For example, Georgia received 33! rubles for every ruble produced, Armenia with Estonia and other Baltics had comparable proportions. The Ukrainian SSR received significantly less in proportions, but in absolute terms MORE THAN A THIRD of the union budget. And all at the expense of Russia - why do we need this? There in that Central Asia before the Bolsheviks came there was a primitive communal economy, they lived in caves and villages and everything was built and erected at the expense of the Russian people. Bring it back?! No way. Now Russia is practical and will not give anything to anyone for free.
And about your mythical "extinction" - so we have almost 147 million people, the same number in fact as at the time of 91st, you confused it with xkhla - at the time of the collapse there were 52 million and it became 26... And let's add RUSSIAN Donbass and add another 6 million Russians. And this is about "all the way out of the way", leave it to your friends, the all-fledged ones. RUSSIA IS MORE THAN A THOUSAND YEARS ALREADY WORTH, AND WILL BE STILL STEERING EVEN MORE STRONGER.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

ak, any nostalgic snot went shorter)). Dude, do you ever think what you write? His country was excellent, the people are kind and smart, the CPSU as a driving force is wise and strong

Are you against it? USSR - an evil empire? the devil's country? what else? ah, a colossus with feet of clay? a prison of nations? what else have I forgotten? you are too young and uneducated, although it is not your fault - heredity, the Unified State Exam, drinking parents, and therefore you cannot compare different quantities - what they shout about from every iron today - about a mighty and rich Russia, and Putin, as always, is on the alert, and they have trampolines, and what was in the union. the brain, not burdened with education, easily picks up propaganda and considers it a copy of life. "in fact, everything is different" - everything that they try to convince us of by any means, including manipulation of numbers, does not correspond to reality. but it is easier for you not to think about it, and habitually swallow warm gruel from the media. it is easier to live this way - after all, that is your slogan now? live simply! If you want a new car, no problem, take out a loan and buy a Mercedes. If you want a new apartment, even easier, take out a mortgage and buy a 2000-meter penthouse. If you want to vacation in Thailand, it's more complicated, but live on kefir and pasta for a year and fly under the palm trees. And the most important thing is to pay your taxes and sleep peacefully. So, keep sleeping, dude.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Miracle, I repeat especially for you:
you are bored, speak slogans of memorized propaganda propaganda, the thought goes in a circle, a set of stamps, your next surge can be predicted.
Relax, dude, I think I passed the exams of life before you, and my daughter will take the exam in a few years (if not canceled). And I do not suffer from any kind of "evil empire" core, on the contrary, I support the rigidity that was under the Union. But as an economist who understands the economy of the USSR (namely its two periods 21-54 and 55-91), I understand many times better than you, and I see not only successes but also mistakes. Sometimes tragic.

[aglet]

Quote: aglet

Dude, do you ever think what you write? His country was excellent, the people are kind and smart

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And I don't suffer from any kind of "evil empire" core

And who wrote this? You can not answer. you are not interesting to me, you learn the news from the first channel, and are too young and uneducated to judge what you yourself have not seen. and you most likely bought exams in life, as in your economic bursa. do you have a second specialty not a landscape designer? in the 90s and later it was fashionable for such institutions in which you study. and about ehe- my children didn’t pass it on. And Soviet higher technical education allows us to understand the economy no worse than modern economist historians. do not watch TV. work on yourself. read the classics. maybe it will come out of you, although it’s unlikely that everything is very running

[Sarmat Sanych]

Listen, are you a parrot? Shaw you as an ass about "Channel One", "exam", "TV" you repeat - is this a fetish? I am really surprised with you - it seems like under the gallop of years and you still suffer from infantilism.
Do you write some heresy, is there something in the case, or will you still beat a bald spot on the parquet?

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Do you write some heresy, is there something in the case, or will you still beat a bald spot on the parquet?

but what, to understand what I write is difficult, or impossible? except for the first channel there is nothing clear in this life, you’re doing the same thing yourself, you are carrying the blizzard, as your beloved president says that everything is fine with us, we will all win, we have everything of our own, from condoms to gas turbines, and we are building airplanes and we sell gas. For people like you, you don’t need anything else, you need someone to say something, and you believe with all your strength, and you believe everything, because your brain is not able to comprehend reality, it only believes everything, including the first channel. It’s useless to write about the case, they don’t talk about it on the first channel, that means that it doesn’t exist in nature, that means it cannot be an argument for you. Live as before, it’s very easy to live like that, knowing nothing about without thinking - the ideal consumer, the dream of our government

[Vadim237]

And you probably had tens of millions of Russians at home, looked into the refrigerator and monitored the mice?

[Mountain shooter]

Are the shelves empty in the stores? Do they export grain from oil? There are any experts now. For every taste and budget. Imports for certain types of food fell to almost zero ...

[aglet]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Imports for certain types of food fell to almost zero ...

what kind of jamon, juvenile whiskey 15 years old, Iranian caviar? diamonds? what else did i forget? oh yes, palm oil, no, it’s kind of like, they began to buy at times more. what did i forget?

[Sarmat Sanych]

Wake up and sing, Russia is not among the top twenty buyers of palm oil.

[aglet]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Russia is not among the top twenty buyers of palm oil.

it’s not easier for me. There are no natural products anyway. it’s obvious that there’s enough for fake

[Sarmat Sanych]

Where there you have no natural products, I don’t know, but I buy natural products. And not only in the market or in Myasnov, but also in the same Auchan. And yes, I’m not an official or any big businessman there, or even the middle class. But there were always non-natural products, and there was dofig in the Union.

... And in general, everything is "good with the environment", the Baikal Pulp and Paper Mill and dozens of the same worked (often in the red) for the glory of the working people, regularly foul rivers and lakes. Only now they are talking about these incinerators, and then on zero. I don't think it's worth writing about nuclear man-made accidents on a global scale in the Chelyabinsk Region and the Chernobyl Region. And this was done by the Soviet engineering personnel, and for 28 years nothing like this was even close. Moreover, Russia is the only one who was able to offer a technical solution to the Japanese in the liquidation of Fukushima. This is all for the word about "chemistry" and health.
Guys, I love the Union, but I do not idealize it like some. Yes, of course, a person is inclined to embellish the past (when he was young handsome and girls loved) and compare with the present, finding in him what kind of flaws can be. Well, I'm sorry, you can’t return you back healthy and happy 40 years ago, reconcile yourself.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

And yes, I’m not an official or any big businessman there, or even the middle class.

I wonder what class you are, Sanych?

[Sarmat Sanych]

I work with energy construction companies, mainly (but not only) intermediary work. My company, but only my wife and another person work in it. Think about it. But I myself certainly will not classify myself as a middle class in income.

[d1975-value]

Perhaps, but the M-4 will soon sink into the summer (Tataria’s pride in the tears of Russia) Kamaz canvases are simply killed. The cops are in fat, it’s good for everyone, but whoever sins will already go out to your street anyway and think, well, about the rise in this area!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

Agricultural holdings plow.

[Sirocco]

Can you tell us more about the successes? I understand that some central regions are not Russia, the Far Eastern Federal District is a different country? Let's talk about food products on the shelves? You probably mean grain and then from this grain they make a bread product that is impossible to eat in the morning?

[Tarasve]

At the expense of bread. Look in the stores 10 brands of bread, can not you choose to taste? I buy 3-4 types of bread and don’t take which I don’t like.

[Sirocco]

Quote: TarasVE

At the expense of bread.

Let's put it this way, about the choice of bakery products, don't teach your father to read newspapers, okay. I've been living here for more than one year, and I've changed more than one type of bread.

[K-612-O]

You can bake bread yourself, there are all the possibilities. Already about 5 years, occasionally I buy Borodinsky, the rest is mine.

[Horn]

You know, I would change all these 10 grades of bread for 4 grades of Soviet bread. Which after a day did not crumble all over when trying to cut a chunk and did not taste like cotton wool. If it's rude: there are 10 varieties of waste. But you will not scoop from a toilet and eat?

[forty-eighth]

If it crumbles, you are still lucky. We have a rifled loaf as if made from rubber. There are no crumbs, but you chew like chewing gum

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Horn

Which in a day did not crumble

I remember that we, in the regional newspaper, published an angry article: "Why is the bread crumbling?" So in the 88th year. Everything! Starodubtsev spoke and took control. We had no problems with bread.

[AntonP]

And in my village there are 3 brands of bread and one is not better than the other and there is no choice. Which one should I buy?

[naidas]

Quote: AntonP

And in my village there are 3 brands of bread and one is not better than the other and there is no choice. Which one should I buy?

Only pies or pastries are suitable for you.

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

In Rosstat reports

[creak]

Quote: Qwertyarion

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

In Rosstat reports

Whose workers live in the city. I wonder which of them was in the rural outback, not at the cottage naturally. The quieter the success, the louder the fanfare.

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: ranger

I wonder which of them was in the rural outback

Yes, they know the real state of affairs and are in villages (we live in the same country), they consider the way the customer needs the calculations, that's all ...
The villages are full of darkness and devastation, and this is no secret to anyone.

[ALARI]

From agricultural technologies, which are mostly bought in the West, well, huge sown areas. The USSR also produced quite a lot of agricultural products, but they could not save how much it simply rotted at the bases. Technology has reduced losses.

[aglet]

Quote: ALARI

From agricultural technologies, which are mostly bought in the West

firstly, these technologies poison the soil due to the excessive amount of fertilizers and pesticides, and the products do not add to this health. secondly, they were bought in the West, tomorrow the West will not sell them to us, so what? seeds of the same wheat, beets and almost everything, animal producers, sperm producers, fertilizers, medicines, feed additives, starter feeds for young animals where to get? there’s no one of their own; but the Federal State Statistics Service will write anything, Medvedev replaced their chief, now they will write according to pre-ordered results. All right, fine marquise ...

[ALARI]

You are absolutely right, that's why I wrote bought in the West. If they block all this for us, it will become sour. Of course, there will be no hunger, but cards will introduce something. There is none of its own, but it is impossible to replace or reluctance.

[Horn]

The USSR imported feed grain. For the production of animal feed.

[tomket]

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

In fact, agricultural holdings and villages are not the same thing. I'll give you a short course on the village and agricultural holdings now. Previously, the village and the collective farm - agricultural holdings were a single entity. Now agricultural holdings are mainly large agro-complexes that provide virtually no work for the population living in villages. They don't need people as such. Further, land shares are also mostly transferred to these same agricultural holdings, either by buying them up, again, due to widespread poverty, or some Tsapki are bustling about, either with money or persuasion, or with persuasion or force. And by and large, there are no funds for cultivating the land or villagers. These are not bedtime stories about how a rich Muscovite returned to the pastorals, arrived with his capital and became a successful farmer who talks on the radio about how he is the only D'Artagnan and everyone around him is drinking. If the villagers somehow form capital and invest it in their business, say, bulls or pigs, then the state can throw in some kind of quarantine, from African swine fever, say, with the total extermination of everything grown in the village. Well, and at the same time support the local pig farm that the governor himself opened. So as not to breed competitors, that is.

[aglet]

Quote: tomket

If the villagers somehow form capital and invest it in their business, say, bull-calves or pigs, then the state can throw some kind of quarantine, say, from the African plague, with the total extermination of what they grew up in the village. Well, along the way, support the local pig farm that the governor himself opened. What would not produce competitors means

here you need to put a dozen pluses for the correct coverage of the development of cx. and here's another topic under a growth bankrupt company for the production of poultry meat - turkey, chickens, ducks, goose-bird flu are rampant, directly mowing the livestock

[alstr]

Friends in the Urals said that they were directly told by officials that they did not need farmers.
Therefore, they do not help them in every way.

[aglet]

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

and what are these successes? wheat, sunflower, and beets are massively grown. this is what is exported at a run, at WTO prices, for their own prices are wild, but economically justified. meat and poultry are grown on antibiotics and feed additives, growing rapidly, but eating is not very useful. in meat products, meat is least of all in percentage terms, fillers, dyes, flavoring additives, flavors, starch and soy - that's the recipe for 95% of sausages, sausages, and other things, but it costs even more than pure meat, not to mention about the so-called delicacies - smoked, dried and others - there is a little more meat, a little less additives, the prices are cosmic. Dairy products are almost 100% falsified, but still expensive, in some places very expensive, take at least the so-called cheese. milk from the hillock and palm oil. a glass of "milk" will dry out rather than turn sour. and if it turns out sour, it’s not yogurt, but it’s not clear what, but you can’t eat. You can still talk a lot on this topic, I don’t want to distract people. So what successes did you talk about here?

[alstr]

About the composition of sausages. There is still water. Therefore, the "just add water" method is often used to increase the yield.

[aglet]

Quote: alstr

About the composition of sausages. There is still water

sorry, missed. yes there are many

[minus]

Percent 40 water in the sausage on average) And this is not counting the water in soy and animal textures prepared from powder.

[tomket]

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

Successes in CX, this is when, after the development of the virgin lands, bread in canteens was exhibited free of charge. And from the fact that the First broadcast victoriously about the wild successes of Putinomics in the Union of Artists, bread on the shelves does not get cheaper. Like the rest of the products.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Svarog

It’s a disaster in the village, over the years 20 the village will die out .. Here are the results of the current managers, who for 20 years create the appearance of work.

These are still flowers, I went here to my native provincial town and could not believe my eyes, although everything is logical. In the absence of at least some kind of leisure, the local entertainment was either to do nothing or to drink, well, to drink loudly, it is not necessary to get drunk on porridge, drink beer, so to speak. Now, due to the development of Internet technologies, the presence of messengers with encryption and awareness of why cryptocurrencies are needed, cheap smoking mixes spiced up into the province, spice, whatever you like, but getting out of the binge turned out to be much easier than getting off this rubbish. While I was sitting at a friend's house, he probably called the floor of the village, to borrow, to steal some llamas that were obviously stolen, everyone was addicted ... But when they drove the ball together ...
PS: And no one is struggling with this, and it’s difficult to fight, ordering via the Internet, delivery via bookmark, payment with bitcoin, where the money went did not track

[Nasrat]

Some statistics (Soviet !!!)

Disastrous for the village was the settlement of “unpromising” villages that began in the 1950s and became the realization of the idea expressed by Khrushchev under Stalin about agricultural towns in the countryside. The idea was reanimated at the December (1959) plenary session of the Central Committee, which called for the development of “schemes of district and on-farm planning.” The recommendations of the USSR Academy of Construction and Architecture, issued in 1960, said: "It is recommended that the existing settlements of collective farms and state farms be divided into two groups - promising and unpromising." By the end of Khrushchev’s state activity, 139 thousand villages (13 per day) disappeared in Russia. Well, in the period between the censuses of 1959 and 1989, the number of rural settlements was almost halved - from 294059 to 152922.

There are now even more rural settlements than in the RSFSR. 153. (Indeed, 125 thousand of them are non-residential - as an example: three grandmas per village)

[polar fox]

Quote: Svarog

There is a catastrophe in the village, after 20 years the village will die out ..

I live in a village myself. City registration... children too. There is no medicine. At all (they built a medical center, but there is no one to work there). There is a school, a kindergarten. A bank is open one day a week, a post office 2 days a week... there is a grocery and hardware store... There are children at school, most of them have city registration... There are no sections and none are expected (education system policy), the residents themselves lead and teach something, but not at school - in a club. A lot of young people have arrived in the last 3 years. There is no work. They work either on a rotational basis (100 km to the city), or on the Internet.
but this is with us ... neighboring villages are simply dying out, schools have been closed, there are no gardens, etc.
but in winter the streets clean better than in the city of Samara.
unfortunately the naughty little hands of the authorities are already reaching for the throats of "self-employed" and "private households" ...

[K-612-O]

Rural life is degenerating as a phenomenon. And this process has been going on, sorry for 100 years, thanks to the scientific and technological revolution and the improvement of the means of production. And not "managerial merit". And this is a global phenomenon.
The article is profanity, written by people in the economy and modern social development who do not understand a damn thing.

[Vadim237]

This is not the result of current managers, the village began to die in the 28th year - after the abolition of the NEP and its subsequent dispossession, famine and other well-known events, during which Khrushchev gave the villagers passports - the outflow of youth from the village intensified, the villages will disappear, and urban settlements type will be enlarged.

[Vadim237]

And these are historically documented facts.

[Konst]

We are getting closer to the RI in terms of grain sales, those who are not farmers are fleeing the village, they don't want to do anything. Give it time - the youth will come, everything will be fine.

[Grits]

Quote: Svarog

It’s a disaster in the village, over the years 20 the village will die out .. Here are the results of the current managers, who for 20 years create the appearance of work.

This situation was observed back in Soviet times. In the 70s, the villages were also empty, people fell from there. Now, however, due to the fact that there is no work in the village, the situation has worsened many times

[Victor N]

Have mercy, not at all managers of children do! In ancient times, men and women were doing this very successfully - there were no televisions ...

[Bykov.]

Previously, students were taken to the villages "to pick potatoes", and that's how the birth rate increased.

[Back]

Quote: Bulls.

Previously, students were taken to the villages "to pick potatoes", and that's how the birth rate increased.

Well, the kids are behind the folders ... Genes. To call

[K-612-O]

Amendment: to collective farms (state farms)

[keeper03]

Sorry no one deals with village problems in Russia, but it would be necessary, and for a long time, already 25-30 years ago! Why not start with housing construction, for example private houses, further create jobs for these people: small enterprises, farms, education, healthcare, services ... But no - None of this is in sighteven rural schools are dying! 35-50 km from cities or rural centers sheer decline and collapse, even in the south of the Russian Federation, not to mention Central Russia, and Siberia and the Far East, and even more so! Power is only able to fill pockets, instead of investing in development! When you already grab - Herods !!!

[Gray brother]

Quote: keeper03

create jobs for these people

What are good words - and how do you create them? Get out of your pocket?

Quote: keeper03

education, healthcare, services ...

Well, this is exactly there - in the district center.

Quote: keeper03

Why not start with housing

Yes, this housing is rampant - empty houses are rotting.

[keeper03]

What are good words - and how do you create them? Get out of your pocket?

This is not your concern, but the authorities, the leadership! Are you power ?!

Yes, this housing is rampant - empty houses are rotting.

What are you ?! Really rampart ?! Give an example!
I can say that where I live, and this is the Krasnodar Territory - there are no such examples!
The authorities are not going to the people in this direction, they are doing nothing to provide housing for young specialists in the countryside! Where are at least soft loans, where are jobs with a decent salary, which you can live on to the next and not die? !! There is none of this! Officials have papers! Reports are their work, but not real objects that we should all feel!

[Gray brother]

Quote: keeper03

What are you ?! Really rampart ?! Give an example!

In the Vladimir region, such examples are every other one. And if there is a village off the road, then without any questions, 10 people out of 100 remain there, but the houses are cheap - generally, they are worth nothing, although they do charge for the land.
I bought myself such a house and 34 acres of land, I was afraid to go outside in the dark at first sight - the house is abandoned, there is no one, the surroundings are like in "Stalker", and then I got used to it somehow.

[Moskovit]

All this began in Soviet times as a consequence of the industrialization of the country. The situation cannot be corrected by simple shouting. A similar trend is observed in all developed countries - people are leaving for the cities. Although there are roads, hospitals, and jobs there.

[tomket]

Quote: keeper03

When you already grab - Herods !!!

Glukhovsky has a story. In which a former policeman kidnapped almost the entire government, brought them to an abandoned construction site, and began asking when they would finally grab their fill. After all, what they stole could not be spent even in a hundred lifetimes. And then it turns out that the government is the crew of an alien ship that crashed here, and by grabbing, they are collecting money and resources for repairs. When they fix it, then they will fly away. The policeman was touched and gave them the last hundred he had hidden. If only they would fix it quickly and fly away.

[keeper03]

I’m ready to give even 1000 rubles so that only they will fall down and not interfere with development!

[jovanni]

If this situation is not reversed, then the outflow of the population from rural areas will only increase.

But how to break it, this situation? Instead of passports, collective farmer’s books should be issued to people again? There are no real options ... Unless the villagers are exempted from any taxes. Absolutely. And in Moscow to increase ...

[Warrior Hamilton]

Quote: Jovanni

But how to break it, this situation?

Maybe start small? Instead of Germany, for example....................into the villages......gas....

[tomket]

Quote: Warrior Hamilton

Maybe start small? Instead of Germany, for example ................. in the village ...... hold gas ....

I served under contract for several years just to bring gas to the village))))) To bring gas to a villager is almost like a lifelong feat. You bring it, and you can say you are a King. No need to buy coal for the winter, saw firewood, sift coal, carry a couple of tons of this same coal in buckets to the bunker. In winter, the morning does not begin with coffee, but with cleaning the stove from slag, then with a bucket to the bunker for coal and kindling. Hot water in the house, the one that you boiled on the stove. This is not like turning a tap. Constant soot and grime near the stove. But bring gas, and it's beautiful, turn on the boiler and spit on the ceiling. One problem, it costs to bring gas, like flying to the moon. Probably the Arakshukovs are doing business, the scoundrels.

[Warrior Hamilton]

You are all right, but it is profitable for the farmers that the Russian peasant does not climb out of his rubber boots so that there is no time to raise his head. Otherwise, he will see everything and ask: "Why?"

[Sirocco]

Quote: Warrior Hamilton

Instead of Germany, for example ................. in the village ...... to conduct gas ....

To carry gas into the house today, the price tag goes to hundreds of thousands, without pants you will remain but with a gas pipe))))

[Warrior Hamilton]

Quote: Sirocco

To carry gas into the house today, the price tag goes to hundreds of thousands, without pants you will remain but with a gas pipe))))

But the brothers have been warming for free for decades, and now billions are being spent on promoting the project, and you are talking about some kind of price tag. Sheriff Indians' problems don't stick around

[Horn]

We still have a lot of villages without a central water supply system, and you have gas ... Then the picture came across: a 1942 photo of a house in the White Clay ghetto. So I’ll take pictures of these ghettos now. Without war and the Jews.

[Warrior Hamilton]

The problems in the Russian village are one after another, as in the famous "Turnip": a mouse for a cat, a cat for a bug, a bug for a granddaughter ...
The peasant, the salt of the Russian land, despised and ignored always and constantly rude to him from the tsars and the Bolsheviks and from the new goddesses.
And the pipelines in the villages need both gas and human life, but something brilliant
Mnogohodovki masters in this area do not show themselves .... Apparently mnogohodovka some kind or ace in the sleeve

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Jovanni

Is that the villagers exempt from any taxes

They only, only gathered in the self-employed to gather, and you admit such thoughts.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Jovanni

But how to break it, this situation?

They are trying to break this situation clumsily by offering the population 1 ha. and what is it 1 ha. it's a zilch of 100 by 100 meters, okay, but where was it offered to mere mortals? right where you can get on an all-terrain vehicle, okay I got there on MTLB, then what? where to get money for the development of this site? Indeed, otherwise, after 5 years of not mastering it, they will take it from you. Then a friend wanted to build a business to organize a shooting range (shooting range) in the open air, so how I read, counted, asked what it would pour out, so I waved my tongs at me. Money and corruption will not let me do it, and then says there’s no chance that you will not be squeezed out of this business, as co-founders must have one of the co-founders. And so in everything, starting with a farm in the village, ending with a sawmill in the yard.

[Vadim237]

And who will squeeze what you have there?

[BAI]

One of the Russian demographic problems is the decline in the rural population.

And what does it have to do with it? What prevents to increase the population of Russia at the expense of cities?
The population of Russia is one thing, and

loss of rich cultural traditions, the emergence of new problems with the level of spirituality, the general degradation of the Russian province.

- completely different.

[silverwolf88]

Degradation of the very meaning of life in the village ... and led to the extinction of villages ... collective farms / state farms are destroyed ... a worthy replacement (except for the lease of land by incomprehensible people with incomprehensible goals) has not been found ... and what is the point of the youth staying there??? ... the youth is leaving - the future is leaving ... ... Well, or a new program for the resettlement of Germans back to the Volga region is needed ... now we can help the Boers from South Africa (i.e. give land to those who will take it and develop it) and look, the local population (the remaining ones) will catch up looking at them ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: silberwolf88

The degradation of the very meaning of life in the village ... and led to the extinction of villages ... collective farms / state farms collapsed ... a worthy replacement (except for leasing land to obscure people with incomprehensible goals) was not found ...

I will add from myself that almost all agricultural production facilities and sown areas are owned by local "princelings", where collective farm people work for a hat of crackers. And whether a tenant at least three times is an agrarian from God, he will not be allowed to develop seriously. Well, perhaps it will be German Sterligov or a person with serious money and EU or US citizenship.

[steelmaker]

The question is, why do we need the moon and Mars? Spend so much money on these programs. We need to deal with the welfare of the people, and our officials and the government believe that now we can feed on 3500 rubles. and no one forced to give birth! Because the government does not have a goal to increase the birth rate. Therefore, everything is done so that the welfare of the people does not increase. Another thing is surprising that most understand this, but there is no one else to vote for!

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: steel maker

The question is, why do we need the moon and Mars? Spend so much money on these programs.

So, nobody understands

[tomket]

Quote: steel maker

The question is, what are the moon and Mars for?

Mars do not touch, tell better, why did we need this mundeal? What would the head of FIFA say to Putin how well done he is? What dear mundeal spent? How was everything bohato?

[Vadim237]

You didn't need the World Cup - but everyone else did: the fans, the builders, the service sector businesses and the materials manufacturers.

[tomket]

Quote: Vadim237

and everyone else needs fans

So how? Feel sick really? Sweat

Quote: Vadim237

builders, businesses in the service sector and production materials.

And why instead of spending on mundeal not to build an extra kindergarten or school? Attract business, material manufacturers? Schools aren't built from the air, right? Or do we finally have all the problems solved and you can relax, watch football?

[Vadim237]

And so every day they build kindergartens and schools and clinics and so on, one of the new schools for 1200 students in Bashkiria

[tomket]

Quote: Vadim237

And so every day they build kindergartens and schools and polyclinics, etc., one of the new schools for 1200 students in Bashkiria

It’s a strange thing, every day schools and kindergartens are opened, and you can’t get into the kindergarten without connections and bribes. And if you get, then there are groups of 40-50 people with one teacher, and you give the child essentially nowhere. But the gardens in the country open every day! Probably this is the country where unprecedented growth of salaries, unrestrained growth of GDP, and fantastic successes of CX (with products rising in price each month).

[Vadim237]

Alas, Russia will not fly to the moon and Mars.

[Gerklim]

The problem is not only the outflow of the rural population, but the problem of the country with a birth rate. It is already difficult to raise one child, not to mention 2 and 3 children. Everything is very expensive, ranging from food and clothing, kindergarten to school. Everywhere money is needed, but where to get so much from.

[evgen1221]

The problem is really complex and multifaceted, but remember the village of 80s-millionaires, the mass construction of typical housing (housing complexes collected Finnish houses, built clubs with good movie theaters, plus mugs. I remember how little I went to the village with pleasure for the whole summer and there were more classes than in Why not gradually return this approach to the residential complex (work plus housing, then equipment and roads (the experience of America when people threw people at the road construction site).

[tomket]

Quote: evgen1221

Why not gradually return this approach to the residential complex (work plus housing, then equipment and roads (the experience of America when people threw people at the road construction site).

The last houses built on this principle in the village were at the end of 80's, the foundations were laid, the boxes were installed, and the last ones were completed in 91-92м. The last road was laid during the USSR, which was destroyed by GAZprom trucks under Putin. When they built a gas pumping station to Ukraine. Then, with a big creak, standing ears, they made something like patching up this road.

[Sirocco]

Quote: evgen1221

Why not gradually return this approach to the residential complex

The president said that there is no way back to socialism. That's why.

[keeper03]

In fact, all these political and economic models are just words, if you do not engage in the real development of the state! They become a screen for mediocrity - in the person of leaders!

[rocket757]

The village is becoming empty, this is a general global trend! Somewhere more, somewhere less.
In village families, a large number of children are already a rarity !!! Those who grow up, fly / rush to the capitals .... because there is "smeared with honey." In principle, nothing new, only the scale is catastrophic now!

[tomket]

Quote: rocket757

Those who grow up, fly / rush to the capitals .... because there is "smeared with honey."

There is not smeared with honey, there must be a) continue education. b) there is work both in the specialty and without, which can ensure the existence of c) elementary leisure. the same movie theater is normal.

[rocket757]

Quote: tomket

There is not smeared with honey

What about HONEY, not an attractive, healthy product? I respect him and love him, if real!
And education and other urban benefits, I know this, and I work in the city (not in the capital), I live in the village. This is normal and would be such if a reasonable balance were maintained.
Do we have a reasonable balance ???

[Vadim237]

There is a problem with getting honey - you need to keep the pasik and take care of the bees every day, all year round. Many do not pull.

[rocket757]

Quote: Vadim237

There is a problem with getting honey - you need to keep the pasik and take care of the bees every day, all year round. Many do not pull.

If you want to get a product, work .... you want to get a high-quality PRODUCT, "buzz" no less than a hard worker bee!

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, many people in Russia like to "hum" - but not to work.

[rocket757]

Quote: Vadim237

Unfortunately, many people in Russia like to "hum" - but not to work.

Misunderstanding .... to "hum", I meant to work with increased efficiency!
I suppose it’s suitable for loafers - to rattle, chat, in short, do anything just to not work.

[alstr]

About the work. At the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, the percentage of the rural population in the world was about 70-80%.
Now the opposite. 10-20%
This is primarily due to progress in agricultural technology. Starting from increasing yields due to selection and ending with the automation of many processing processes. From here stupidly
it takes orders of magnitude smaller people to cultivate the land.

And as a result of this, the people are drawn to the city. I will give a simple example. My grandfather was a sailor (he caught fish in the Atlantic). After the flight he brought 10-15 thousand Soviet rubles to the house.
But upon arrival at home in Chuvashia, sometimes I felt like a poor relative, because on their collective farm the people could also calmly pay out large amounts several times. Accordingly, no one then left the collective farm, because in the city he would earn orders of magnitude less.
At the same time, it should be noted that there weren’t much amenities either.

[rocket757]

Quote: alstr

Accordingly, no one then left the collective farm, because in the city he would earn orders of magnitude less.

We can now think of everything in the city and everyone is able to earn more than in the village!
As a rule, for a solid earnings, both there and there "plow" is necessary. again, what is so IMPORTANT in the city that it is impossible to arrange in the village?
It is clear, very much depends on the location of the settlement, this is an important factor.

[alstr]

About the important with which the village is worse:
1. Education. Purely theoretically, normal education starts from schools with a population of 200-300 people (i.e., for each year to have its own full class from 10-15 children in the class minimum).

2. Medical care. Having a set of primary care physicians within relatively close reach greatly increases the chances of population satisfaction.
A simple example. Murino in the Len region. You don’t have to go far to Peter - they border. But here you are kindly going to specialized doctors to Kuzmolovo (this is a dozen kilometers and only by minibus).
And this is still divine. In the outback, this will be considered a paradise. there you can go to the doctor therapist for a hundred kilometers.

3. Communication (now less relevant, but still much worse than in the city).

So it turns out that in order to make it economically feasible to have all of the above, then you need to have a village for at least 20-30 thousand people.
Then there will be a normal school, a clinic, kindergartens and more.
Anything less stupid is not worth the cost.
Here is such a sad picture.

[rocket757]

I don’t understand why you got a minus? Everything written correctly, relevant!

Quote: alstr

Here is such a sad picture.

The picture is very different, although it is definitely worse than it was in the old days .....
Everything is fine here, we live between two large cities and a district center is nearby. Of course, there are problems with public transport, but on a personal one, accessibility to and fro, 15 to 20 minutes, is a plus! It’s difficult to get to doctors free of charge everywhere, this is a minus, electronic registry helps out, this is a big plus.
About life away from everything, now I can not reason. Not my situation, so I accept from other people's words. I understand that the farther, the harder / worse ....

[orionvitt]

There is one more reason - young people leave the village

But on the contrary, the older you get, the more often you think about whether or not to abandon this city to such a mother and not give up on old age, somewhere closer to nature.

[rocket757]

I support, I myself have implemented just such a plan, and I DO NOT SORRY!

[mag nit]

"The state owes nothing to anyone." "Nobody forced you to give birth." These are the main theses of Putin's power.

[Vadim237]

This is the thesis of one fool in place.

[edeligor]

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

Mostly the southern regions and Siberia are saved by grain. In the European part of Russia, gentlemen, democrats in the countryside staged genocide.

[Operator]

It is necessary to fully encourage the reduction of the rural population to the level that ensures intensive agriculture (large cultivated areas, elite plant varieties and animal breeds, primary processing and storage facilities, reliable roads, autonomous power supply using gas fuel, fiber optic communications, large-sized, low-rise populated settlements points with 11-year school and medical institution, etc.)

Everything else should be put under a bulldozer with the reclamation of vacated territories under agricultural land or natural landscapes.

In Russia, in bulk water resources and abandoned / undeveloped agricultural land, only their specialization and concentration of the rural population in a limited number of settlements with all infrastructure are required:
northwest - flax;
center - rye, vegetables, potatoes, poultry;
CCHR, North Caucasus - wheat, fruits;
South Siberia - livestock;
The Far East is soy.

So far, we are going in the right direction to increase our food safety and capture the world grain and meat market.

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

So far, we are going in the right direction to increase our food safety and capture the world grain and meat market.

food safety is a fiction that the government produces, and the world market has long been divided, and it is strictly watched by the WTO. we sell grain and meat exactly as much as the WTO allows us to sell according to our quotas, not a penny more. so market capture is delayed until better times

[Operator]

In connection with the total trade wars in the form of economic sanctions, the WTO now does not spin a bitch only lazy

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

In connection with the total trade wars in the form of economic sanctions, the WTO now does not spin a bitch only lazy

lazy, do not twist. the rest-twirl. not everything is so simple in the WTO as you think. and our leaders are likely to be lazy. they are turned on everything, especially on gas and atom, as they want

[Operator]

In terms of gas, you confused the WTO with the EU - the latter easily obstructed Nord Stream 2 and South (Turkish) Stream. Well, we also twisted the EU around our heels - these gas pipelines will be completed in 2019.

The WTO and the EU are not involved in the nuclear fuel market and construction of nuclear power plants.

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

WTO and EU are not involved in the market of nuclear fuel and construction of nuclear power plants

quite right, and I did not say that. I said, that with the gas and atom of our rulers, everyone twirls on the knots as they want. nuclear plants are built at their own expense (by issuing non-repayable loans for this business), service is warranty, i.e. free, and even local specialists need to be trained. with gas the same crap, really not agreeing, immediately rushed to build, at least sp2, at least the Turkish stream. in the Turkish stream, how many times did the pipes shift? and cop canned. the same power of Siberia, they were going to build together with China, Gazprom began to cut wood, laid a pipe in the ground, hired people, the process started. Then, the Chinese said it was expensive, we won’t build it. They fired the people, they didn’t get the pipe out of the ground There was no money. The miller says, okay, we’ll build it ourselves, just buy it. The Chinese say, okay, we’ll buy it. and then everything started spinning again (maybe on a bitch? I don’t know), they cut the forest, they pull the pipe, the miller smiles. the Chinese say, let's now conclude a contract, we will discuss everything. Miller, so we have concluded. China is a preliminary agreement, your price does not suit us, we will buy at that price, or we will not at all. In short. they made an agreement, we pull the pipe ourselves, the Chinese price is quite small, but Miller, for the sake of a salary of 32 million rubles, went for it, but pu does not want to quarrel with si, I also agree. and so it’s everywhere, but in some places it’s even worse. For example, civil aircraft construction. but I won’t, otherwise you won’t be interested in finding all this yourself. and the WTO and the EU have different names, but the goal is to protect their economic interests by any means. so they protect them

[Operator]

SP-1, SP-2 and TP-2 solve several problems at once:
- pull the nose to the Poles, Slovaks, Hungarians and other parasites / transit of Russian gas;
- untie the hands of Russia for any action in Ukraine;
- create direct economic ties between Russia and Western and Southern Europe (bypassing the Limitrophs).

By and large, we do not have gas for China in commercial quantities yet (development of Arctic deposits with transportation of liquefied gas by sea has only just started). And the current price offered by China is below the market price. Therefore, the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline must be done neither here nor there, which is being done. The situation will change only after ISIS becomes more active in Turkmenistan (gas production) and other Central Asian countries (transportation of Turkmen gas to China) - Donald Trump is already working on this (activation).

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

SP-1, SP-2 and TP-2 solve several problems at once

they decide one-maximum increase in gas sales abroad, if not at the expense of prices, then at least at the expense of volumes. accordingly, an increase in the income of Gazprom shareholders, and of Mr. Miller personally. here it is not necessary about taxes.
Pulling the wool over someone's eyes has never brought economic benefits. How do the border states relate to Russia's direct economic ties with Western and Southern Europe?
hands can be untied to those who want it. everything suits us.
there is no gas for China yet, and the pipe is already being buried in the ground, and this is billions of rubles of expenses, and it is not known whether they will be compensated not at the expense of the population

[Vadim237]

Actually, Gazprom is a state-owned company.

[aglet]

Quote: Vadim237

Actually, Gazprom is a state-owned company

and also say - national property. It's just that 51% of the shares allegedly belong to the state through a bunch of shell companies with state participation. The key word is allegedly. In Gazprom, as in all companies with state participation, they religiously profess the principle of privatization of profits and nationalization of losses, i.e. don't open your mouth about shareholders' dividends, they decide for themselves how much and when to pay, but cover losses from the budget - we are a state organization after all

[edeligor]

A very painful topic. Personally, I believe that it is people from rural areas who are the backbone of the state. Due to the specifics of my work, I have repeatedly been convinced of this. To my great regret, our ruling United Russia members measure Russia exclusively by the size of the Garden Ring and consider hydrocarbons to be the property of the state. For which they will be credited.

[orionvitt]

Quote: edeligor

people from rural areas are the backbone of the state

So it was before, then the rural population was more than 90%. These times are long gone. On the other hand, if raising the birth rate of Russia does not threaten (throughout the world, the higher the standard of living, education and consumption, the lower the birth rate), there is only one conclusion. Instead of population, improve quality. And here they directly scare Ethiopia and Bangladesh. Bad example.

[keeper03]

They haven’t gone anywhere! Agriculture is the basis, because you always want to eat everything! Especially with regard to Russia! If you want industrialization or economic growth - please, but without food you will not succeed!

[wt100]

Here explain to me - maybe I'm just not getting there. Demographics are negative, the village has been drinking for a long time, and prospects are not looming there (no matter what), people raised their retirement age, personal income tax, gasoline, utilities, food prices, did I forget something? The fact that they say zomboyaschik, please do not appeal, we all live here, we see everything. And the fact that the Officer lives in parallel reality ... It's not nice to be patient, though - every herd deserves (exactly as much as they themselves deserve) their rookery. And after all, no one is even trying to remove the degree of tension among the population. Oh yes, the fish rots from the head. This is the wisdom of life. And it’s immediately clear what and where it comes from.

[orionvitt]

Quote: wt100

And the fact that the official lives in parallel reality

I explain. All the problems you are talking about are peculiar not only to Russia, but to the whole world, and in some places, this parallel reality is generally transcendental. Moreover, it was always and everywhere. The only exception is the brief Soviet period, when the minister’s salary was four to five times higher than the salary of a skilled worker (and not four hundred and five hundred, as it is now). We are worried about the phantom pains of the lost Soviet Union, where there was at least some, but social justice. We remember that when it was not so. We subconsciously understand that it is possible to fix everything, but under capitalism (which everyone wanted so much, and only a few won), there will be no justice.

[Qwertyarion]

Does Rosstat have problems with positive counting results?

[little way]

Pis-saka himself was in the village at least once? With such debuda and in cities, pestilence will begin.

[HAM]

Well, how not to die out of rural areas if hospitals are closed, ambulance stations are closed, polyclinics are reduced (and this is all there and worked before) - now for medical help you have to go to the regional center (50-km) and it's not a fact that they will be accepted there (either the direction is wrong, or the signature is illegible) All services: gas, energy, communications, utilities, etc. crushed the regional centers for themselves (you also have to go personally even for a certificate, even with an application) .... in short, only Malyshev will be treated, and the "Dachny Answer" will be repaired (and then only by the elite) ...

[tomket]

Quote: HAM

in short, only Malyshev will be treated

There is a doctor butchers!)))

[KBaHT_BpeMeHu]

To all the gentlemen speaking of deficit in the late USSR. Yes, of course, there were not many on the shelves in stores, but no one remembers the distribution by organization, you work as an engineer meat and sausage, fruits, sweets were always at home. But after 91 at least a roll ball.

[barclay]

A good, pressing topic was raised by the author. Only here the ways to solve this huge problem are not yet known.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: barclay

A good, pressing topic was raised by the author. Only here the ways to solve this huge problem are not yet known.

I will not be surprised if, in order to increase the birth rate in the countryside, our government will take a very simple and effective step - they will begin to fan out 3-4 daylight hours in villages.

[lopvlad]

decline in the rural population.

it is a regularity of any capitalist country. Many blame the USSR for saying that at that time decomposition and reduction of the village went.
It’s only under the USSR that the state tried to support the village by creating infrastructure (high-quality street lighting in the dark, snow cleaning, road repair, modern free housing for young specialists, access to medical care (if there were rural hospitals in the villages in the USSR operations are now even sent to the regional hospital to remove appendicitis in the regional centers)) providing the population with jobs with a fairly decent salary for hard work.
Therefore, under the USSR, for example, the regional center within the framework of the country was at the level of a small city, and now the city with a population of 40-100 thousand is at the level of the Soviet village.
In terms of living standards, a modern village can only be compared with a forester’s house located deep in the forest.
And the worst thing is that this situation does not affect villages located “in the taiga”, but rather settlements in the Central Black Earth Region with fertile lands.

[Vadim237]

These fertile lands have long been in the ownership of agricultural holdings, they have much more chances in the development of agriculture than the local bukhariks.

[anjey]

The reasons are obvious: poor development of rural infrastructure in most regions of the country, lack of an adequate number of jobs with decent wages, poor state of the cultural and leisure complex, often transport distance, lack of quality roads, which is one of the key development factors for a modern village.

And of course, the government's strategy for the notorious "Monotowns" is actually a harmful trend from above, for a country as large in territorial terms as Russia, urban-type settlements with infrastructure and new houses - cottages are needed, but for this we need a large long-term strategy, namely the state. Abandoning and turning your territories into wastelands with ruins is criminal. We need a real economic program for the revival of the village, the construction of cottages will cause a big rise in the industry, housing must of course be provided on the principles of long-term lending, so that two or three generations could pay off the debt in small parts, provide mini-agricultural equipment on the same loans, which they will start producing with their own industrial forces, roads, gasification, this is already self-evident, give the opportunity to really engage in farming, free of charge, or again, through long-term lending, allocate land, at least with the same "basic" hectare". Reduce levies and taxes for villagers, develop autonomous supply of electricity and heat, for this purpose introduce solar batteries and wind generators, make a "smart and energy-intensive" village, make each one a small base for processing agricultural products, and here is work in the village, build poultry houses, cowsheds, piggeries, begin full-scale sowing of grain and legume crops, and people will quietly, quietly and again be drawn to the village from the concrete jungle of single-industry towns

[Servisinzhener]

I doubt that this will fundamentally change the situation. Because with modern agricultural technologies, a large number of people do not need to process even the agricultural lands voiced above. The work for which the labor of dozens of people was necessary during the week, modern agricultural machinery does in a few hours.

[edeligor]

Quote: orionvitt

rural population was over 90%

It's not about quantity, but quality. I don’t want to stir up the discussion, I repeat, I’ve made sure of this many times. One example - a city, a person felt bad on the sidewalk - passers-by, for the most part, will pass by, one will help and then, everyone will consider him "out of this world." In rural areas, this simply cannot happen and this applies to all areas of life. That's what I mean.

[prior]

There was a bet on farmers, so there will be several farmer oligarchs.
That's it, come, get down ...

[greenegro]

Ask billionaires to help the village, help the same ..

[tomket]

Quote: greenegro

Ask billionaires to help the village, help the same ..

Deripaska, Abramovich, Rottenberg and Co.: "Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowow doow ...?"
No, we somehow do without their help)))

[anjey]

You’re kidding me, the revival of the agricultural sector — it should be the strategic and state priority of the government, expensive, costly and long-term, but it is in it that the strength of Russia ...

[Tashkent citizen]

Here is the link: https://salik.biz/articles/54777-zachem-ubivayut-derevni.html
Some excerpts from the article:
It has been noted for quite some time: if a school closes in a village, then this village dies quietly over the next few years. Over the past five years, the number of rural schools in Russia has decreased by 37%.
The reduction of the rural population is a common problem in Russia.
Can education at all be “cost-effective” in purely financial terms?
No. No, no and no again! The school, in principle, by definition, does not and cannot bring immediate income - unless it is a private college for the children of millionaires, and even that is unlikely. If you start looking for ways to save money on schools, then such savings will not come back very quickly, but deadly. And the saved millions or even billions may well go to the grave monument to the whole state, carried away by the idea of ​​"optimization".
The path itself - the search for financial benefits in the field of education, whatever that benefit is - is vicious and dangerous.
The village has become a place of total unemployment. More precisely, they did it. And this was done intentionally, precisely so that even those people who want to stay there or would like to move there would not be able to do this simply because then they will be confronted with the problem: how to live, or rather, how to survive? To work only for food, to live exclusively on subsistence farming is terrible sectarianism, and unsafe, especially for children.
But the village was not killed at all under the “damned commies”. The Russian village was killed, plundered and ruined by the power of the "democrats". Just because it was dangerous for them, and not at all because of its "economic unprofitability."
The village fed the country. The village tied people to their native land. The village gave children a healthy and free childhood. All this was intolerable to the “Gaidarysh” (may Arkady Petrovich Gaidar forgive me!) And the chubaiites, all this anti-Russian devilry in power.

[Tarasve]

In our neighboring village, too, a school was closed because 2-3 children attended classes. Now the school bus carries children and teachers to our village and no one complains.

[Million]

Nothing, Putin will correct everything and then we will heal. There will soon be a breakthrough and several tens of millions of high-tech jobs.

[Zaurbek]

I did what I could, this morning my wife made me happy with a daughter! Third child!

[ivagulin]

the village, if the "top" wants to "raise" like two fingers on the asphalt "to organize the purchase of products of small producers (1 cow, 2 pigs, 20-30 rabbits, etc.) at a reasonable price - there will be explosive growth, and everything else will reach for it ... The villagers no longer rely on the state for a long time, just do not interfere. And they clean the roads themselves, electr. and gas is spent for their hard-earned

[Million]

The tops do not need this, and they do not know how ...

[BAI]

small producers (1 cow, 2 pigs, 20-30 rabbits, etc.)

Do you understand that this is a lifelong bondage without days off, holidays and vacations? You can’t get sick either.

[ivagulin]

I’m a district veterinarian in the village, people swear because they can’t sell their products, only in the summer and only to summer residents

[Vadim237]

Have you ever kept a cow - looked after it? From the lazy, there will not be any explosive growth.

[ivagulin]

and you’ve been near a cow at least once pulling a calf out of it, covered in blood and manure, amniotic fluid at minus 20, jumping around a one-year-old bull trying to take blood while dodging horns and hooves, so I know what I'm saying. People are ready to have 2 and 3 cows, at least 30 pigmies-nowhere to build it

[Vadim237]

People are ready - of course, only one out of a hundred people will lead in fact.

[minus]

Is it possible to hand over a cow to a meat processing plant? It is practically impossible. We joined the WTO and now in order to sell meat, it is necessary to slaughter it at an official slaughterhouse. The Caucasians bought it up in our area... It is expensive to transport it to the slaughterhouse yourself... The same highlanders travel around the villages and buy cattle for pennies. And the slaughter is done on site. But they own slaughterhouses and issue certificates to themselves that the slaughter was carried out in stationary conditions!

[ZVS]

Putin-Medvedev's economic policy destroyed the village and rural population, which gave the largest increase in its time. The emigration of the population to large cities will lead to the fact that the country will be extremely vulnerable to the preservation of the population in case of war. The Communists understood this, so they tried to resettle people throughout the territory evenly. In modern Russia, a dozen nuclear charges on large cities are enough to destroy half the country's population in one fell swoop.

[New Year day]

The loss of Russia by the village is at the same time the loss of rich cultural traditions, the emergence of new problems with the level of spirituality, the general degradation of the Russian province.

the authorities do not understand this and therefore do nothing. The destruction of the social sphere in the countryside, unemployment, something that was not under the Union, is striding across the country

[Warrior Hamilton]

Quote: Silvestr

the authorities do not understand this and therefore do nothing.

Yes, they understand everything and therefore do nothing. They stirred because they were forced to, moved a little away from the critical point and now they are croaking about "achievements" on every corner. There is no program for the revival of the village, and there are no people for this, there are no Komsomol members either.....there are Chinese.......a lot...

[cost 75]

People are fleeing poverty for a better life, and not only from villages, as an example from Omsk, about 100 people leave every day to live in other regions. At this rate, in 15 years the population of the city of a million will be reduced by half.

[Elephant]

From the Maskva of the current government, it is visually impaired, so village problems are not visible! In general, state support and programs for the revival of villages are urgently needed!

[Lieutenant Senior]

Quote: Svarog

It’s a disaster in the village, over the years 20 the village will die out .. Here are the results of the current managers, who for 20 years create the appearance of work.

For some reason, I have not heard this for the first decade, but the villages and villages both were and are.

[x.andvlad]

Do you know how many abandoned villages have appeared during this time?
People flee from poverty, because of which there are no normal living conditions.
To live in a village today under normal rather than Spartan conditions, one must be, if not rich, then just a very wealthy person.
If there is no prospect of earning, then there is no desire to stay there.

[Lieutenant Senior]

Yeah, tell this to my parents who have moved from the city to the village and feel great.

In general, what kind of villages and villages are we talking about? Maybe somewhere in Taimyr, where, even under the Soviet Union, it was very hard work?

[x.andvlad]

Dear Sir, I am very happy for your parents. It means they have the financial means to live in the village. And maybe the village itself is good and is located in the southern regions.
I personally saw many abandoned villages in the Pskov region. This area, despite its western location, is generally considered a "bearish corner".
But there are a lot of problems and closer to Moscow. At 200 km, in the Vladimir region in one of the villages, the dead are not taken to the morgue, because they are far away (sorry for such details).

[Lieutenant Senior]

So what do you want to tell me? About the morgues, so on Svalbard it’s generally forbidden to die and bury, dragged for thousands of kilometers. So what?
Throughout the history of mankind, people are moving back and forth, this is normal practice, civilization does not need to be perceived statically. Something is developing, something is dying, it is everywhere, in all countries of the world.

And if you don’t like, for example, that something is wrong in the village of Perdyayevo, so get up from the couch and go there. Develop. Indeed, criticizing is so simple.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Lieutenant Senior

So what do you want to tell me?

All I wanted to say was I said. And this is from life, not from utopia.

[Lieutenant Senior]

I am also from life, and not only told. Higher. Highly recommend reading and understanding.

[Victor1]

So this is a deliberate work to destroy the village, and the whole of Russia, and then what will happen?
A conversation will begin about the privatization of land and the transfer of them to English and Western and other "partners".
Not much money and resources are needed to maintain the village in a normal state and stimulate its development, but "our" rulers do not need this.

[Varyag71]

There is a quiet mild genocide

[taiga2018]

everything is according to Kudrin's program, I think he also stated that in our rural areas there are 20-30 million "extra" people...

[Vadim237]

In my opinion, Sobyanin said this.

[Gas truck]

In a village, it is dangerous for adults and children to die because medical assistance was not provided on time. Roads are littered with snow and are not cleared for a long time (Saratov region).

[Dzafdet]

Thank you for this Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Yeltsin .. Soon everyone will live in one big city MoscowPiter ... Everything on Nabiullina ...

[Vadim237]

Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg have forgotten - these cities are developing well.

[Professor]

If you do not reverse this situation, then the population outflow from the countryside will only increase. And these are not only economic problems, but, above all, social ones. Russia's loss of the village is at the same time the loss of the richest cultural traditions, the emergence of new problems with the level of spirituality, the general degradation of the Russian province.

Who wrote this bullshit? What is his name?

About "spirituality" generally keep quiet. The loss of a village is not a loss of "the richest cultural traditions". These traditions have been lost for a long time and forever. Not a single village can stop the degradation of the province. Just the opposite. It is easier to conduct a civilization in an urban settlement, and not in a village.

But I don’t understand what the problem is? Well, it will be doubled and whether in 10 times less villages. So what? Will Russia lose sovereignty over this territory and will it be settled by foreigners? Or the remaining 10% of rural residents will not feed the whole country? An unnamed author should understand that the process of urbanization is inevitable and to fight it is to fight with windmills.

By the way, I myself live in a village where there are about 200 courtyards.

[Vadim237]

The trend in agricultural technical development is that soon some of all agricultural crops will be planted, irrigated and harvested robotic machines.

[Varyag71]

Quote: tomket

Quote: Bulls.

Well, yes, where do such successes in CX come from?

In fact, agricultural holdings and villages are not the same thing. I'll give you a short course on the village and agricultural holdings now. Previously, the village and the collective farm - agricultural holdings were a single entity. Now agricultural holdings are mainly large agro-complexes that provide virtually no work for the population living in villages. They don't need people as such. Further, land shares are also mostly transferred to these same agricultural holdings, either by buying them up, again, due to widespread poverty, or some Tsapki are bustling about, either with money or persuasion, or with persuasion or force. And by and large, there are no funds for cultivating the land or villagers. These are not bedtime stories about how a rich Muscovite returned to the pastorals, arrived with his capital and became a successful farmer who talks on the radio about how he is the only D'Artagnan and everyone around him is drinking. If the villagers somehow form capital and invest it in their business, say, bulls or pigs, then the state can throw in some kind of quarantine, from African swine fever, say, with the total extermination of everything grown in the village. Well, and at the same time support the local pig farm that the governor himself opened. So as not to breed competitors, that is.

True, just about the Voronezh region. There was such a Gordeev. Surprisingly, there is a plague on many farmsteads, but not on pig farms owned by the son of the governor.

[tomket]

Quote: Varyag71

True, just about the Voronezh region. There was such a Gordeev. Surprisingly, there is a plague on many farmsteads, but not on pig farms owned by the son of the governor.

Well, that’s what he meant.

[Nestorych]

Village points were cut off.)) Yes, we have a snowy apocalypse in St. Petersburg!

[Goldmitro]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

What 20 years now everyone is massively fleeing to the city in order to somehow survive.

For what it was necessary, spending gigantic sums, to increase the size of Moscow and, in general, to continue urban development, which, of course, simply drains human resources from the village, instead of investing these funds in the village, in creating jobs there, in providing modern living conditions in the countryside with the prospect of their development to the city level. This will make it possible, at least, to preserve the people there. Otherwise - huge depopulated territories, on which there are many who wish to settle out!

[Yustet1950]

A serious question. But again the state is silent and says nothing about the national composition of Russia, which nations are in the most threatened situations.

[Antares]

The complex problem of the world. But in Russia it is also more acute.
Urbanization and progress. Climate and effective area. Concepts familiar to everyone in a geography textbook. Russia is the largest country in terms of living in adverse climatic conditions.
And distances affect the effectiveness of any activity.
CLIMATE (insolation, humidity) distances — all this always affects all of Russia.
And this is precisely the main problems of Russia, and not fools and roads (this is a consequence).
I do not know why compare with Bangladesh.
Their literacy rate is 61%. About Russia, I think it’s not worth bringing that more than 90!
More than 80% of Bangladeshis live in rural communities, although in recent decades there has been a clear tendency to migrate to large cities, primarily to the capital. (I will not write about the Russian Federation; everyone knows the level of urbanization of the Russian Federation)
Religion (Islam Hinduism) against Christianity (RF)
Total!
Women 61% (against 90+) 80% in the village (not urbanites, unlike the Russians), religion Islam and Hinduism (where do you yourself know where women belong) ...
Yes, of course, the birth rate of illiterate, rural, traditional, religious women will be many times higher!
Take care of their education, work, career, take away faith (although education takes away) -all. There will be an ordinary urbanized woman with a European type of reproduction! (Negative)
Why such comparisons? RF is not Southeast Asia! I wish they would compare it with the Japanese ... okay there .. but with Bangladesh ...

[evgen1221]

An important question is also about economic returns when expanding the agricultural sector. Where to put products? Too much food, even at the lowest prices for it, for the population will lead food rather to a landfill and selling dumps for the hill will also not work out much - there is a lot of food in the world and each country protects its peasants. So the question of village demeography is also a question of economics in terms of investment-return.

[Vadim237]

There Poland defended its peasants so much that more than half of the farmers went bankrupt. Russia has much to strive for in terms of agricultural exports, the time will come and we will push 100 million tons of grain for export, with a total harvest of 250 and more million tons.

[aglet]

Quote: ivagulin

and you’ve been near a cow at least once pulling a calf out of it, covered in blood and manure, amniotic fluid at minus 20, jumping around a one-year-old bull trying to take blood while dodging horns and hooves, so I know what I'm saying. People are ready to have 2 and 3 cows, at least 30 pigmies-nowhere to build it

how nowhere? rent out

[viktor.]

I live in the Village, the population was 1200 people at the present time 300 with not much, in my school years there were up to 32 people in my class, at this time, the average son is studying 6 people. young people leave those who have received education and got a job, remain in the Army and leave Lodyri. In the village at this time the labor is paid Work and You WILL LIVE !!! Cattle, horses and sheep are now grazing on motorcycles and jeeps

[Vadim237]

In an urban-type village, there are more opportunities than in a village.

[Zomanus]

Why village? And people flee from cities to the capitals of regions or countries.
Because they simply become unnecessary at home.
More precisely, they are certainly needed, but the level of salary does not demonstrate this.

[Victor N]

I looked for the results of scientific research on providing the rural population with housing and communal services in scientific periodicals using the resources of scientific electronic libraries: a dozen publications over the past 20 years, in total. Statistics are provided very rarely. According to the authors: I defended my dissertation and ran out of publications - went into teaching. They talk a lot, but in reality they do not take the problem seriously.

[Operator]

Quote: aglet

How do limitrophes lean against direct economic ties between Russia and Western and Southern Europe?

They receive a bribe from this for gas transit through their territory.

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

They receive a bribe from this for gas transit through their territory

We don’t pump gas through limitrophes, only through Belarus and Ukraine

[Tomich3]

The Russian village has long since died, only in the district centers there is still a glimmer of life. The author was at least 20 years late with the article.

[Vadim237]

No, exactly 50 years.

[Kunica]

In the evenings, rural streets plunge into darkness. The maximum that can be seen is the light from the TVs coming through the windows. People save every penny, even on lighting.

[Operator]

Quote: aglet

We don’t pump gas through limitrophes

Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Czech Republic are typical limitrophes.

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Czech Republic - typical limitrophes

Well, limitrophes are not what you think.
LIMITROPHE (Latin limitrophus - border). The name of the states that were formed after the October Socialist Revolution on the outskirts of the former Russian Empire: Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and also Finland.

[Operator]

You are not counting the borders of the Russian Federation there

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

You are not counting the borders of the Russian Federation there

you probably have your own geography. and perhaps your own globe

[Operator]

I have my own President.

[aglet]

Quote: Operator

I have my own President.

you're lucky, but I don't buy them - there's no point in them, just screams, but you have to feed them like a cat. I'd rather feed the cat

[23rus]

If this situation is not reversed, then...

Where is this “IF” missing? Where we can safely say: “Here we go!”

[Alex Justice]

We have asphalt, electricity and gas in all villages without exception.

[d1975-value]

This is for you, and my wife will soon turn her Matis into a submarine.