Truck YAG-12. Eight tons on twelve wheels

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At the beginning of 1932, Yaroslavl State Automobile Plant No.3 launched serial production of YAG-10 trucks — the first domestic machine with a three-axle chassis and 8 tonnage. This development made YAGAZ a true industry leader, but its designers did not rest on their laurels. Soon, a new truck with special capabilities, YAG-12, was developed. This car was the first in many ways. The YAG-12 was the first four-axle vehicle in our country and the first one showed the carrying capacity of the 12 t. This was an outstanding achievement even in terms of the global automotive industry.

Truck YAG-12. Eight tons on twelve wheels
Experienced YG-12 on the factory site. Photo Bronetehnika.narod.ru




At that time, the Red Army command showed great interest in trucks with an increased number of axles. Thus, it was precisely at the initiative of the Red Army that new triaxials were developed, including the Yaroslavl YaG-10. In addition, the military in the 1931 year conducted tests of a four-wheel drive four-wheel drive vehicle of British design and became interested in similar technology. The consequence of this interest was a new order for YAGAZ.

New project

After the completion of development work on the YaG-10 machine, the load on the YAGAZ design bureau was sharply reduced. However, the engineers did not rest and began to implement the new army order. The military wanted to get a truck with an unusual wheel formula 8х8, due to which it was planned to get an increase in maneuverability on rough terrain and off-road.

At the beginning of the 1930s, similar trucks were developed in several leading countries, and the command of the Red Army considered this to be a cause for concern. Thus, YAGAZ should in the shortest possible time create a fundamentally new car and reduce the backlog of foreign industry leaders. The plant had an excellent opportunity not only to catch up, but also to outstrip foreign competitors.


View of the port side. Drawing "Technology - Youth"


The new project manager was A.S. Litvinov, who already had extensive experience in the development of trucks. A promising car from a certain time wore the designation YAG-12 - "Yaroslavl truck". The numbers indicate the calculated capacity of the machine.

The customer requested to submit the truck as soon as possible, and for this reason YAGAZ KB decided to build a new YaG-12 based on the existing YaG-10. It was planned to use the spent design solutions and borrow various units. At the same time, we had to use completely new components and introduce non-standard ideas.

For example, its own concept of a four-wheel truck with four-wheel drive was formed. The use of four pairs of wheels allowed to reduce the specific pressure on the ground, and all-wheel drive provided increased traction. Abroad, these opportunities were most often used separately: some projects offered middle-class cars with improved throughput, while others provided for an increase in carrying capacity. A.S. Litvinova decided to perform two tasks at once and get outstanding characteristics.

Four bridges

The new YG-12 truck should have to some extent resemble the YG-10 serial. It was proposed to use an elongated frame of channels, assembled on rivets. The back part of it was strengthened by additional profiles. In front of the frame was placed the power unit, behind which was the cabin. The rest of the frame was given for the installation of the cargo area. Under the engine and the cabin on the frame offered to place the front truck with a pair of axles. Two rear axle were under the body.


Front view. Well visible characteristic units of the front axles. Drawing "Technology - Youth"


The machine needed a more powerful power plant. For use on the YAG-12, they chose an American-made Continental 22R gasoline engine with an HP 120 power. The multi-plate dry clutch and Brown-Lipe 554 gearbox was taken from the serial YaG-10. The box had 8 forward gears and 2 rear. On the output shaft of the box there was a tape parking brake.

Behind the gearbox, under the rear wall of the cabin, there was a transfer box of the YAGAZ own design. The drive of the main gears of the four bridges was organized using a set of cardan shafts. The shafts from the transfer case went to the transfer of the second and third bridges. Two more shafts moved away from them to drive the extreme axles.

The rear trolley was borrowed from an existing three-axle truck. It consisted of two bridges with gears based on spur gears. The design of gearboxes and crankcases remained the same. The same was true of the suspension. The rear carriage retained the existing brake system with a vacuum booster. A mountain support was installed on the crankcase of the fourth bridge to fix the car on the slopes.


View of the starboard and aft, visible frame device and the location of the units. Figure Denisovets.ru


The design of the front carts developed from scratch. Two main gears with bevel gears were rigidly mounted on the frame of the car. Short transverse cardan shafts connected with open-type hinges of equal angular velocities departed from them. This made it possible to drive the front wheels, as well as to make both front axles manageable. Earlier calculations showed that a four-axle vehicle with the proposed layout needed several steered wheels, and this problem was solved. The front axles were controlled using a modified steering gear from I-5. He was connected to the wheels of the second axle, which through the longitudinal thrusts interacted with the first axle.

Despite the difference in the design of the drives, both trucks had a similar suspension. Under the frame were hung shoes with longitudinal semi-elliptical springs. The ends of the springs were connected to the crankcase CV joints (on the front axles) or with the bridge shells (on the rear axles). A characteristic feature of the running gear used was a slight reduction in the unsprung weight, which allowed an increase in the stock of carrying capacity.

It is worth noting that the designers of YAGAZ had to work on non-trivial tasks in the absence of proven solutions. This led to a serious complication of the transmission: 9 cardan shafts, 18 joints and more 40 bearings were immediately present. In this regard, along with other documentation, special schemes had to be transferred to production to control the directions of rotation of shafts and other components.

On wheels, the YG-12 truck was unified with existing equipment. The front carriage had single wheels, while the rear one was equipped with gable wheels. The wheels were borrowed from serial equipment. The rear wheels could be equipped with detachable Overall type track chains.


The layout of the power plant, transmission and chassis. Figure Bronetehnika.narod.ru


With the transfer case connected additional devices. Thus, under the front part of the body was placed a winch with the possibility of issuing the cable forward or backward. Also, the machine is equipped with its own compressor for pumping wheels. Permanent swapping, however, was not used.

The engine compartment of the new car was covered with an oversized hood, created on the basis of existing products. As before, there was a cellular radiator in front. Top cover was provided with rectangular hatches, on the side - lifting side with blinds. A ready-made serial cabin with three seats for the driver and passengers was used. Under the common seat was a fuel tank on the 164 l of gasoline. On the sides of the hood and cab, a new wing of increased length appeared. Its rear part served as a step.

Cargo platform was made in the form of an onboard body. She took the serial YAG-10, but slightly shortened. The front wall of the body was mounted rigidly, the rest could recline and were fixed with locks. Under the front of the body were transported spare tire and tool box.


YAG-12 on trial. Photo Bronetehnika.narod.ru


Fundamentally new chassis had a minimal impact on the size of the truck. YAG-12 length increased to 6,6 m, width did not exceed 2,4 m, height - less than 2,8 m. The curb weight of the car was 8 t. Estimated carrying capacity on the highway - 12 t, on rough terrain - 8 t. Thus, the total weight of the truck reached record 20 t. The engine of sufficient power allowed to reach speeds up to 45 km / h, as well as to overcome various obstacles. Fuel consumption - 52 liters per 100 km.

Car for the holiday

The development of the YAG-12 project was completed in the middle of the summer of the 1932 year. Soon after, the Yaroslavl State Automobile Plant No. XXUMX began the production of the necessary parts and the subsequent assembly of a prototype. The prototype assembly took about three months. Perhaps the construction of a complex machine could take more time, but automakers decided to present it to the next anniversary of the October Revolution. There was some lag behind the schedule, but in recent days the situation was corrected, and in the late evening of November 3, experienced YaG-5 wound up for the first time and drove off.

The first test for the car was a trip to Moscow to participate in the festivities. By the evening of the following day, the motorcade, consisting of a single YaG-12 and several YaG-10 serials, was in the capital. November 7 Yaroslavl-made cars passed through Red Square. Soon the equipment was shown to the military and political leadership of the country. The commanders highly appreciated the new development for the army and gave the go-ahead to continue the work.

After the holiday, the experienced YaG-12 went to the Scientific Automotive Institute for testing. Over the next few months, scientists and engineers tested the car and installed its real capabilities. Estimated running performance and carrying capacity have been confirmed. In addition, the capabilities of off-road technology were identified. A truck with a payload could climb the slope of the 30 ° steepness, cross the moats 1,5 m wide and the fords 0,6 m deep. The car moved through the snow 500 mm deep and could overcome obstacles of similar height. The use of caterpillars "Overall" significantly increased throughput.


Tests of the truck on a slope. Photo Bronetehnika.narod.ru


The YG-12 machine was also tested as an artillery tractor. With the help of a towing device and, in some situations, a winch, she could carry with her any domestic implements, including large calibers. In the back could carry ammunition and calculation.

Plans and reality

In general, the advanced heavy-duty four-axle YAG-12 truck arranged for the customer in the person of the Red Army command. Minor improvements and refinements were required to improve technical and operational characteristics. As part of the refinement, it was planned to build and test seven new prototypes. After completion of the improvement, the machine could find application in various fields - both in the army and in the national economy.

The main customer, as it was believed in 1932-33, was to be the Red Army. She needed cars in the configuration of on-board trucks, but did not rule out the possibility of creating other modifications with other equipment. A car with a lifting capacity of 12 t could become a vehicle for people, solid, bulk or liquid cargo, or a tractor for tools or other trailers.


Additional front axle simplified overcoming trenches. Photo Bronetehnika.narod.ru


In the interests of the national economy, it was also proposed to build various modifications of the YAG-12. Together with a truck in civilian structures could serve dump trucks, tank trucks, etc. A proposal to create a high-capacity double-decker bus was considered. Previous Yaroslavl trucks had become the basis for buses, and the new car also had a high potential of this kind.

However, all these plans did not reach implementation. The situation around the YAG-12 project and the whole direction of heavy trucks changed dramatically in the same year 1933. After passing the tests at NATI, the only four-axle truck built was transferred to one of the military units of the city of Saratov for further inspection in the army. On this his trail is lost. How long and how YG-12 was used in the new place is unknown. Information about his fate is also missing. Apparently, at some point an experienced truck was written off and dismantled.

Soon after the transfer of the prototype truck to the military tests, the command of the Red Army decided to abandon the further development of four-axle vehicles. This technique had great prospects and confirmed them in practice, but at that time did not look optimal. New machines of the YAG-12 type were more complicated and more expensive than the existing ones, which could hamper their massive construction. As a result, it was decided to abandon the eight-wheeled chassis in favor of existing and manufactured three-axle structures.


Model of the YG-12 truck at the Moscow Polytechnic Museum. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Past and Future

Work on the YG-12 advanced truck with an unusual wheel formula and unique technical characteristics did not last too long. The design of the new car started at the beginning of 1932, and the decision to stop work was made before the end of the next 1933. It should be noted that by this time only the Yaroslavl State Automobile Plant managed to develop and build its version of the four-axle truck. Other enterprises either did not deal with such topics at all, or could not advance further preliminary study.

The closure of the YG-12 project had a great impact on the further development of the Soviet automobile and special technology. To the subject of four-axle heavy-duty vehicles and high all-terrain returned only in the middle of the fifties. At the same time, the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant did not participate in the development of new designs - by that time he had been assigned to build trucks of a less daring appearance.

The project of the YG-12 truck took its place in stories domestic auto industry. He confirmed the ability of our enterprises to develop the most daring and promising projects of new technology. However, he also showed that not all such developments can find application in a specific period of time in characteristic conditions.

Based on:
http://denisovets.ru/
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/
http://sovcarhistory.ru/
Shugurov L.M., Shirshov V.P. Cars Country of the Soviets. - M .: DOSAAF, 1983.
Dashko D. Soviet trucks 1919-1945. - M .: Automobile archival fund, 2014.
Kurikhin O. Premature Masterpiece // Technique for Youth, 1997. No.7.
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  1. +5
    9 March 2019 06: 23
    The theme of four-axle heavy-duty vehicles and high cross-country returned only in the mid-fifties. At the same time, the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant did not participate in the development of new models - by that time he was entrusted with the construction of trucks of a less daring appearance.
    The Yaroslavl plant began to be converted into a motor plant and preparations were underway for the production of V-series 236 diesel engines; 238; and 240. Production of 3-axis YaAZ was transferred to Kremenchug.
  2. +6
    9 March 2019 06: 27
    Cyril thanks for the essay!
    To be honest, the article gave a good impetus to delve into the already forgotten history of the pre-war trucks of the USSR!
    Thanks again, respectfully Kote!
  3. +11
    9 March 2019 06: 57
    It was probably very hard to steer like that. There was no hydraulic booster ...
  4. +3
    9 March 2019 08: 08
    Thank you for the article
  5. +6
    9 March 2019 08: 15
    At the beginning of the thirties, the development is very interesting, but unrealistic in terms of mass production - there was no engine of its own;
    1. +2
      9 March 2019 12: 46
      Quote: faiver
      At the beginning of the thirties, the development was very interesting, but unrealistic in terms of mass production - there was no motor of its own, there was no SHRUS production technology either

      I agree on the engine. A CV joint open
      Difficult in its production is not.
      1. +3
        9 March 2019 12: 54
        Difficult in its production is not.
        - is it in the early thirties? We could not produce them en masse, can you give an example of a serial truck with four-wheel drive before the Second World War? they were not exactly for this
        1. +3
          9 March 2019 13: 32
          Quote: faiver
          An example of a serial truck with all-wheel drive before WWII?

          Car ZiS-32

          http://dar-web.ru/st_zis32_adaptiv.php
          1. +1
            9 March 2019 13: 35
            this is 40 year and the whole series is less than a couple of hundred pieces ... hi
      2. +2
        9 March 2019 13: 20
        Quote: Amurets
        A CV joint open
        So in the article, but I rummaged through the internet and there is that the CV joint of Rsepp was put there, but this is doubtful. Grachev also had problems with CV joints for the GAZ-61 and GAZ-64/67 all-terrain vehicles. CV joints were reluctant in the USSR, and they did not sell licenses for their production and equipment for their production.
        1. +2
          9 March 2019 13: 24
          here I am also about ...
  6. +7
    9 March 2019 09: 07
    Quote: tasha
    It was probably very hard to steer like that. There was no hydraulic booster ...

    Yeah, I gave the godfather like that to steer the ZIL-157KD.
    Oh well, its in the drawbar!
    And this is without a connected FDA.
    The second similar experience was when the father on a tractor towed a ZIL-130 with an inoperative engine, in which I was driving.
    Distance ~ 1km, but seven pots came off ...
    In my memory, only the training GAZ-53 (when passing on the right) was acceptable to steer.
    Whatever you say, GUR is one of the greatest inventions in the automotive industry
  7. +3
    9 March 2019 10: 33
    Thank you, I waited for another article on the development of the automotive industry in the USSR. The day began with a positive.

    The phrase is embarrassing: On the crankcase of the fourth bridge, a mountain support was installed to fix the machine on the slopes.
    I never heard of such an emphasis. Maybe someone will explain what it is and what it is eaten with.
    Thanks in advance .
    1. +5
      9 March 2019 10: 48
      Mountain emphasis - not khukh-mukhra smile Such a thing that uh ..

      See, a metal stick sticks on a chain behind? Here it is - a mountain emphasis ..
      The figure shows how it was attached to the crankcase of the bridge.
      1. +3
        9 March 2019 11: 10
        Yeah .... the technique was. Or from poverty?
        1. 0
          9 March 2019 12: 33
          Such a truck would be very helpful at the beginning of the war, as a tractor.
          1. +1
            9 March 2019 14: 06
            It would break on every mound like a T-35.
          2. +1
            9 March 2019 14: 07
            Alas! Design thought was ahead of the possibilities of production in the USSR.
            About the tractor? At the beginning and throughout, we needed a tractor capable of single-handedly evacuating the heavy tanks KV-1 and KV-2, IS and IS-2. The average T-34s "dragged" reckless ersatz alterations from them themselves, and in order to pull off the HF, a second HF was needed. And then it was basically an unsuccessful decision due to their weak grip.
            Regards, Vlad!
            1. +2
              9 March 2019 15: 14
              At the beginning and throughout, we needed a tractor that could single-handedly evacuate heavy tanks.
              - no one had such a tractor
              1. +1
                9 March 2019 15: 16
                Quote: faiver
                At the beginning and throughout, we needed a tractor that could single-handedly evacuate heavy tanks.
                - no one had such a tractor

                The Germans at the end of the war made Panther-based evacuation vehicles! hi
                1. +1
                  9 March 2019 15: 18
                  Well, so square, t34, iz without a tower were also laughing
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2019 15: 25
                    I read about IP as a tractor, about HF (without a tower), alas, I did not see the information !!!
                    Mostly HF dragged two or even three tractors or two T-34 or self-propelled guns based on "34"! With dragging Kvshek - KVshkami played enough at the beginning of World War II. One HF could drag another HF, but after 20 km the clutch burned down and there were already two tanks left, and not one!
                    1. +1
                      9 March 2019 23: 21
                      On the Leningrad front, a single tractor based on the KV-1 was used. Without a tower and with increased booking of boards. There are photos of tractors converted from KV-1s.
                    2. 0
                      11 March 2019 15: 04
                      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                      I read about IP as a tractor, about HF (without a tower), alas, I did not see the information !!!

                      There were such. Here is one of them dragging a trophy "Tiger" w / n 221.

                      EMNIP, Isaev's "Berlin-45" mentioned the presence of a KV-1S tank as part of one of the ogvtpp - on one of the forums they wrote that it was a reckless tractor, which was listed as a tank.
              2. 0
                9 March 2019 16: 57
                For that, the Germans had it - easier, but they became a serious argument during the offensive
              3. +1
                9 March 2019 17: 01
                I give right away! Just do not need to tell what is not pulled from the battlefield. Clear business that will not pull! The question is evacuation to the place of repair! Tanks are pulling from the battlefield! (https://topwar.ru/150993-drugoj-lend-liz-ballastnyj-tjagach-diamond-t-980-981.html)
                1. 0
                  9 March 2019 17: 07
                  so what is it for? between them like ten years and he is not all-wheel drive ...
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2019 17: 13
                    I showed what people had! And the same 12th would calmly succeed on a trailer to cheerfully pull a tank on a trawl at a speed of 10 km per hour without knocking out a battle tank from the linear part!
                    1. +1
                      9 March 2019 17: 22
                      well, then yes, only the industrial potential of the us and the ussr for those times is not comparable ...
                      1. +1
                        9 March 2019 17: 46
                        The direction of travel was just different! Instead of hundreds and thousands of useless wedges, a series of 500 produced by such a tractor would have made more. But history does not know the subjunctive declension :(
        2. 0
          9 March 2019 14: 07
          Whatever to do if roads are not repaired
          1. +2
            9 March 2019 15: 46
            but do you assume that you are fighting exclusively on the autobahn, Mr. Mockingbird?
            1. Alf
              +1
              9 March 2019 19: 02
              Quote: Andy
              but do you assume that you are fighting exclusively on the autobahn, Mr. Mockingbird?

              And in Israel, only in this way they fight.
  8. -7
    9 March 2019 14: 06
    This is called wrecking. The money for the machine thundered, which in principle cannot be mastered in mass production.
    1. +7
      9 March 2019 15: 32
      Quote: Ken71
      This is called wrecking. The money for the machine thundered, which in principle cannot be mastered in mass production.


      Dear Ken71, the sad comment you mentioned above, except from the areas of rudeness regarding the Soviet design school, I can’t accept, unfortunately. I won’t put a minus for you, the guys are cramming without my participation !!! But the statements on the topic "around ......., but I know everything one", I ask you to leave! Believe me, only a walking one can master the road, even if this road is going nowhere !!!
      hi
      1. +1
        9 March 2019 16: 12
        I agree with Vladislav. experience was gained, a machine was created. and why "in principle" is impossible? it is very possible, but questions about a machine tool park or the construction of a car plant are no longer for KB ...
      2. -3
        9 March 2019 17: 56
        I expressed my whole opinion and that’s the basis of what. Is it already at the design stage it was not clear that this horse is dead. What knowledge what resources are needed to exploit this? It was not clear right away? God bless him with the engine, but everything else. Maybe, based on this miracle, something better and working was designed. And so the only sample (which is already strange) was crammed away from sin far away so that no ends could be found. Perhaps they received prizes and certificates or relied on them. And that’s all. This reminds me of many pre-war freaks designed for no reason, but all this took resources from an already poor country.
        And as for the minuses - so do you really think that for an adult they matter. Put at least two.
      3. +2
        10 March 2019 01: 28
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Believe me, only a walking one can master the road, even if this road is going nowhere !!!

        I agree with you completely. Any new development is a step forward, and failure is also an experience, albeit a negative one. The trouble of the Yaroslavl plant was that it did not have its own motor production, there was not enough forging equipment, and that was throwing from cars to trolleybuses, adaptation of existing units and assemblies.
        YATB-3
        YATB-4
        "For 1941, the Soviet government planned a radical reconstruction of the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant with the aim of mass production of new seven-ton trucks. Yaroslavl designers began work on a project of a promising YAG-14 truck, intended for production at the updated plant. The prototype for it was the American truck" GM-803 "with a 110 hp diesel engine. By June 1941, the project was almost ready, but the German attack on the USSR thwarted all plans." https://yamz-td.ru/dvigateli-yamz/cat-dv-yamz/item /203-yamz-238n.html
        Here's another addition: The Missing Link
        History of the YAG-7 truck http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/article/13596-istoriya-gruzovika-yag-7-nedostayushchee-zveno/
    2. +2
      9 March 2019 15: 56
      As an experimental development, it’s normal. From 1931 to 1939, the NATI-Koju diesel engine (MD-23) was developed, initially 82 ~ 87 hp, then it was boosted to 95 hp. The engine passed state tests, but did not go into the series.
    3. +2
      9 March 2019 16: 47
      Hm! I would not say that! A breakthrough unit for those times. Really breakthrough! If you still thought of a cabin above the dvigl, so the developers would have to sculpt a monument right away.
      P.S. It was not possible to master? I would not say that. There was an opportunity, and with amers there was a World Friendship chewing gum. In America, the crisis was raging and they were selling whiskers that it is possible not to go bankrupt. The question is that the leadership of the Red Army looked maltz in a different direction! And if instead of the 2000+ useless tankettes the army received 500 of these cars, the artillery of the RGK in 1941 could at least go to the rear. And by and large would have the opportunity to maneuver and fire. Since one truck would carry both the calculation and the BC and would pull the gun at a speed normal for those times 30-35 km / h on the road, and not like a tractor with its own 5-7 km / h!
      1. 0
        9 March 2019 22: 10
        And what Voroshilovets does not suit you. It is interesting to see how the B-2 or B-4 jumps behind this truck.
      2. 0
        11 March 2019 16: 45
        Quote: dgonni
        And if instead of 2000+ useless wedges, the army would receive 500 of these cars

        So wedges and diving boats with the YAG-12 do not intersect in any way. Armor trifles are made on the basis of simple and mastered in a series of GAZ units. But on the YAG-12 exclusive is required:
        The YAG-12 was equipped with a Continental engine of 120 forces and a sophisticated transmission made according to the de Dion scheme with nine short driveshaft drives with 18 imported joints of equal angular speeds and 42 bearings.

        And most importantly - there remains the issue of cross-country ability when towing. Because for the same BA, patency was also considered satisfactory.
  9. +1
    9 March 2019 16: 41
    If you take a discount for the thirties, then the little car turned out to be glorious! Yes dviglo clutch bridges and CV joints Amerovsky. By the question is that the assembly and engineering was yours! if stream production had been established, then the production of spare parts would have been stepped up, the level of operators would have risen. If you take and look a little further, then split steered bridges have appeared in the union for far over 50 years!
    P.S. the level of foresight and engineering exceeded the capabilities of the industry and most importantly, the understanding of the main customer in the need to develop such a platform. By the way, for the transport of 152 mm guns with service staff, such a truck was the very thing! And the calculation and ammunition and guns in one car. At the same time, with non-acidic speed and throughput both for the 30s and even at the end of the war!
    P.S.2 The problem of the union was that huge amounts of money were thrown into aviation, tanks and navy, while artillery and infantry moved in fact by pawn and horse drawn. Nemtsi showed hu from hu and from zis. Therefore, in reality, the Soviet army began to fight normally after it was more or less saturated with autotractor and cars for transporting personnel. And then everything fell into place. Strategy and tactics came together with real need.
    1. +1
      10 March 2019 02: 35
      Quote: dgonni
      P.S.2 The problem of the union was that huge amounts of money were thrown into aviation, tanks and navy, while artillery and infantry moved in fact by pawn and horse drawn.

      Alas, some of the precision equipment was not supplied to the USSR even in times of crisis. Therefore, it was necessary to redesign the factories, to give the equipment that somehow managed to be purchased, to aircraft engine plants, because most of the tanks, torpedo boats, ammunition and sea hunters had adapted aircraft engines M-17, M-34, GAM-34.
    2. 0
      11 March 2019 17: 04
      Quote: dgonni
      The problem with the union was that huge amounts of money were thrown into aviation, tanks and the fleet, while artillery and infantry moved in fact by pawn and horse drawn. Nemtsi showed hu from hu and from zis.

      ICH, the Germans artillery and infantry also moved on foot and horse drawn.
      And motorized infantry and artillery belonged to those "tanks" in which kicked in a lot of money. But money is directly converted into goods only in the minds of liberal economists. In practice, the factories and their design bureaus, having received the money, did what it was more convenient for them to produce, and not what the Customer required of them - and everywhere, even in tanks and aircraft.
      It was assumed that the STZ-5 tractor will be a universal type of tractor that meets both the requirements of agriculture and transport, as well as the requirements for an artillery tractor.
      On the very first samples of the tractor, the plant was convinced that the created machine does not meet any of the listed requirements.
      Having abandoned the idea of ​​creating such a universal machine, the plant started producing STZ-5 tractors that, in his opinion, meet the requirements of agriculture and transport. Nevertheless, the STZ-5 tractor did not satisfy these requirements in many respects, and over the years the plant had to introduce about 900 changes to the design of its tractors.
      Since there was no tractor in the Red Army for divisional artillery, in spite of the fact that the STZ-5 tractor did not pass a single polygon test, it was necessary to use this tractor in the Red Army as a temporary measure until a new tractor appeared, fully meeting the new requirements of NPOs.
      (...)
      The Stalingrad plant manufactured 2 samples of the modernized STZ-5 tractors, which were subjected to field tests in 1940. The modernized tractors did not pass the landfill tests, after which the Stalingrad plant abandoned these works and still does nothing to modernize the STZ-5 tractor ...
      The STZ-5 tractor, neither in terms of its dynamic qualities, nor in the convenience of its service, nor in its reliability, meets the requirements for the divisional artillery tractor in any way and urgently requires a large number of changes covering the entire tractor structure ...
      Division artillery does not have an appropriate tractor that meets its tactical and technical data and requirements.
      © Ulanov / Shein
      And, by the way, on the conformity of the tabular TTX and TTX of a real product:
      ..take this tractor and try to work with the gun: it does not pull the required weight of the gun, the power as a military machine is small ... slow motion, the barbaric conditions for the driver in the cab completely depreciate this tractor. And if you leave this car as a transport one and as a means of transporting goods, then it also does not fit in with the payload ... The army needs three-ton cars, and if it is one and a half-ton, it will also not work for the army ... There is a unique number of shortcomings on all your transport vehicles ... Maximum speed this car is 8 km / h, but usually it does 6 km / h ... the car itself does not pull at 4th speed ... if I got into a fighting position, and then I need to change the position immediately, and I need 40 minutes to only start a tractor ...
      © April 1941. Meeting at STZ of designers with army representatives regarding the operation of STZ-5.
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    9 March 2019 17: 22
    For me, the novelty is that in 1932 (!) In the Soviet Union they could design such a machine. This indicates that the Russian engineering school was one of the foremost in Europe. Indeed, Litvinov's design bureau relied on the foundation of a Russian engineering school. Similarly, modern designers rely on the foundation of the Russian and Soviet engineering schools
    1. +5
      9 March 2019 18: 16
      This indicates that the Russian engineering school was one of the foremost in Europe.
      With regard to the automotive industry, the Russian engineering school was absent in principle, since there was no automotive industry as such.
      The Soviet automotive school began from scratch, copying foreign samples and gaining experience.
      For comparison, the English four-axle truck Scammell Rigid Eight, 1937, with a payload capacity of 16 tons.
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        9 March 2019 21: 54
        Then look where the second pair of wheels is ours and this one. Perhaps you will see the difference. Ours seemed to be trying to solve the problem of cross-country - the British weight distribution. The adversaries ended up with a truck tractor. Our what happened turned out
        1. +3
          10 March 2019 00: 32
          Do you understand the meaning of my comment? I tried to convey to my friend Astra wild that, in the absence of automotive industry and an engineering school in Russia, the USSR had to start all over from scratch, so while in countries where there was auto construction, fully-fledged cars were built, prototypes were created in the USSR unbearable for industry.
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            10 March 2019 11: 47
            But on the useless KV 2 and T 35 power found.
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              11 March 2019 17: 13
              Quote: Vadim237
              But on the useless KV 2 and T 35 power found.

              So KV-2 for the plant was simpler than the Yaroslavl miracle with 18 CV joints. smile
      2. 0
        10 March 2019 21: 35
        Tenth, if you think that since I am a woman, you do not know anything, you are mistaken. I can read and saw the magazine "Behind the Wheel", and there was a story about the first Russian cars: Frese, Dux, Russobalt, and it seems Lessner. Of course, engineers did not "reinvent the wheel", but used imported components (now even auto giants use ready-made components), but still Russian engineers also made improvements. Perhaps that Zh Dux or Frese used some imported car's food, but don't the constructors use other ideas now?
        1. +2
          10 March 2019 22: 49
          You still forgot Puzyreva. Russian Automobile Plant I.P. Puzyreva, the first car was released in 1911, while the car was conceived as completely Russian. Puzyrev decided that the production of the plant would be full-cycle without purchasing any parts from foreign plants.
          However, high-tech magnetos, candles and carburetors at that time had to be purchased abroad.
          In 1911, the first car called "Puzyrev-28-35" was produced; it had a ground clearance of more than 300 millimeters, and its engine developed 35 horsepower. Ivan Petrovich Puzyrev independently designed all the units of his cars, although the car of the "Case" company was still taken as a basis.
          In just three years from the release of the first car to the fire that occurred in January 1914 at the I.P. Puzyreva, 38 cars were produced.
          At the Russian-Baltic plant, where from 1908 to 1915 450 cars were produced.
          The rest is much smaller.
          For comparison. In 1895, the USA had only 4 cars, and in 1910 they numbered 468.000 cars, of which 10.000 were trucks. By 1914, the number of cars in the USA grew to 2 million, including more than 50.000 trucks, France and England had approximately 100.000 cars each, Germany - about 65.000 cars and 20.000 motorcycles.
          Therefore, it is not necessary to talk about the presence in Russia prior to the era of the USSR of some kind of automobile industry and an engineering school of car makers.
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          11 March 2019 17: 21
          Quote: Astra wild
          and there was a story about the first Russian cars: Frese, Dux, Russobalt and it seems Lessner

          Lessner is Daimler: the sale of "clean" German cars and the assembly of cars on a German base.
          §1 - ". . . The company "Daimler" provides for the construction of engines all construction plans and drawings, and in general everything that is necessary for the production of the latter. . . ”
          §8 - ". . . "Daimler" company provides technical personnel for the organization of production,. . . B.G. Lutsky, with whom the company "Lezner" concludes a special contract. . . ”
          §9 - ". . . On each side of the engine built by Lessner, a plate with the inscription “Loutzky – Daimler” and serial number shall be affixed. . . ”

          Almost all Lessner freight cars were built on German chassis purchased at the Daimler plant in Marienfeld.

          On July 7, 1904, under the order of the Alexander Nevsky Fire Department of St. Petersburg, Lessner shipped its first car. It was a fire engine on a 2-ton chassis with a 2-cylinder engine producing 15 hp. Russian auto-historians consider this fire engine "Lessner" the first car of the company, assembled in Russia and equipped with a Russian engine, but this fact is doubtful. According to the Daimler-Benz archive, a chassis with a motor and transmission was sent to Russia, even a photograph of a chassis built in 1903 ready to be sent to Russia was saved, this picture was taken in Germany.

          Cit. by. Stanislav Kirilets. "Freighters Lessner. History of the automobile brand" Lessner "

          And as soon as the Germans terminated the contract with Lessner on June 28, 1909 due to the low level of sales of their cars, the Lessner automobile plant immediately died.
    2. Alf
      +2
      9 March 2019 19: 06
      Dear Astrochka! If you watch the series Cars in uniform and Wheels of the country of the Soviets, you will find out a lot of very interesting things. Just look for the Wheels of the Country of Soviets with a complete 12-series kit. There is also on Rutrekker.
  11. +4
    9 March 2019 19: 31
    Thank you for the article. For lovers of the history of technology, the YAG-12 is not news at all. Putting it on the conveyor at that time was absolutely unrealistic. There were no capacities at YaAZ. There was no technology for mass production of a reliable machine. But she left her mark.
    A little later, an even more original prototype 8 × 8 prototype design by Professor Chudakov appeared. Here and the independent suspension of all wheels, and diesel Koju, by the way. But it was a purely experimental machine for testing the theoretical foundations of multi-axle all-terrain vehicles.
    There wouldn’t be these machines - there wouldn’t be in the late 1950s - early 1960s the four-axial Shaposhnik Mases and Zilov / Bazy Grachev.
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      1 July 2019 02: 22
      YAG-12 could be produced in small batches. There is a pilot plot. There they could collect. Here is an interesting investigation into the fate of the YAG-12 and who killed him and how. - https://cont.ws/@darnichanin/1301335
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    10 March 2019 21: 41
    Quote: Alf
    Dear Astrochka! If you watch the series Cars in uniform and Wheels of the country of the Soviets, you will find out a lot of very interesting things. Just look for the Wheels of the Country of Soviets with a complete 12-series kit. There is also on Rutrekker.

    I watched the wheels of the country of councils for separate episodes. Muzhev's grandfather worked at the ZiL plant and could talk for hours about Soviet post-war cars and indicate who was the "prototype" and the differences
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    11 March 2019 01: 10
    The author write correctly, 12 tons on 12 wheels *)
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    1 July 2019 02: 17
    Here is an interesting investigation into the fate of the YAG-12 and who killed him and how. - https://cont.ws/@darnichanin/1301335