Soviet school for British education

Since 80 in our country, they systematically tried to destroy the Soviet education system, whereas in the UK, on ​​the contrary, they were engaged in its gradual introduction.

It should be noted that the British selected the best methods of education around the world. They highly appreciated the scientific successes of the education system in the USSR, placing them above the system adopted in Europe. And after some time, the level of knowledge of British students turned out to be significantly higher than that of graduates of the most prestigious European educational institutions!

Eton - The alma mater of eighteen prime ministers of Great Britain and the place of study of British monarchs. British education has become so prestigious that the “powerful of the world”, politicians and businessmen of many countries, dream that their children study in Eton, where the Soviet educational system has been operating since 1995.

In the photo - 75-th British Prime Minister David Cameron (second from left in the second row) and former British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson (sitting on the steps to the right in the first row). Eaton, 1987

It should be said about the British expansion in the world. One well-known non-governmental organization, the British Council (British Council), designed to "develop cooperation in the field of education, culture and the arts between the UK and other countries", has offices in 110 countries around the world. In fact, they are engaged not only in the promotion of English culture, but also in the spread of global English influence around the world.

Here we must remember that after the collapse of the mighty British Empire, education and culture became the main connecting elements that brought together the fragments of the English-speaking world. Then, throughout the UK, universities opened their doors to children from former British colonies, and some of them were able to lead these countries in the future. It's no secret that today many influential politicians and businessmen brag about their brilliant British education.

It is significant that of Eton's 250 annual alumni are open to all the most prestigious universities in America (Harvard and Yale), France (Sorbonne), although most seek to go to the University of London, Oxford or Cambridge.

But in 2014, two, at first glance, unpresentable mathematical special schools for gifted children open up. School of Mathematics at King's College London (King's College London Mathematics School) and Exeter Mathematics School at Exeter University.

And the impetus for the creation of these special schools was the success of the Kolmogorov School of Physics and Mathematics in Moscow, founded in 1965 by one of the leading mathematicians of the 15th century, Andrei Kolmogorov, who taught mathematical disciplines to the best XNUMX-year-old schoolchildren in our country. Such special schools were created in such large cities of the Union as: Moscow, Novosibirsk, Leningrad, Kyiv, Alma-Ata, Minsk and Sverdlovsk. Probably, the British decided to adopt the Soviet experience, putting it into practice.

Mathematical School of King’s College London (King’s College London Mathematics School)

And now in 2017 the popular British magazine Economist tried to figure out how an ordinary municipal school in London’s Lambeth district went up to the same level as prestigious educational institutions in the country. What was the bewilderment of the journalists when they learned that the mathematics school, which had opened in the building of the former public bath, works along the lines of the Kolmogorov Physics and Mathematics School in Moscow!

And equipping such a school is more of an “economical option” of a college in Oxford or Cambridge than a municipal school in a residential area of ​​London.

The then British Education Minister, Michael Gove, set out to provide an opportunity for any child, regardless of his financial situation, to get an “Eton education” in mathematics or physics. And he did it!

Fourteen graduates from sixty-one high school students were offered places to study at Oxford and Cambridge from next year. Students received 0,7 points more for each subject than their peers with similar results in the Unified State Exam, outperforming the country's most prestigious schools by this indicator.

All students received the highest A or A * marks in A level math, which is usually passed in 18 years. It is necessary to clarify that British schools of this type are divided into preparatory (from 7 to 13 years) and middle (from 13 to 18 years).

It is noteworthy that at the Department of Mathematics of King's College, many teachers and professors were educated in Russia. Two graduated from the Leningrad Mathematical School. The educational process is planned in such a way that students are prepared for the university. The school is lectured by teachers from electronic intelligence - the Center for Government Communications (GCHQ), as well as from the artificial intelligence company Google DeepMind, and of course they have their own interests here.

An interview on the BBC channel of the former British Education Minister Justina Greening was recently discussed on the Internet. In it, she stated: “The process of converting British secondary schools to the education system of the Soviet Union is completed”. But in 2018, she resigns. I did not manage to find this speech, although what is there to be surprised about when, because of the noisy “Delo Skripale” and the rising wave of Russophobia on the Air Force website, they could “clear” this information.

The honored teacher of the Russian Federation and public figure Yevgeny Aleksandrovich Yamburg says:

“In the US, 89% of mathematics teachers at prestigious schools are citizens or immigrants from Russia. In the schools where they teach, there are queues and competitions. Soviet pedagogy has prepared very serious textbooks, and when they are published abroad, they are in great demand there. If the country wants to train qualified specialists, it is necessary to follow the path of Soviet education and the reprinting of our textbooks.”

According to research by consulting company Knight Frank, Russia has become a world leader in the number of children studying in the UK. From 2005 to 2017, their number increased by 77%, and in 2016-2017, 608 children from Russia entered English private schools.

Education in Russia

In 2007, Education Minister Andrei Fursenko, speaking at the Seliger youth forum, said:

"... the lack of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a human creator, and now the task is to nurture a qualified consumer who is able to skillfully use the results of the creativity of others."

So, modern society does not need creators, and in the bulk are consumers?

"In the digital world, not only mathematicians and programmers will be needed, they will need less and less", - said the head of Sberbank German Gref at the forum" Open Innovation. " He also noted that "math schools are a relic of the past"And" our task is to customize the education system in the same way as everything else. "

But the opinion of Sergei Petrovich Kapitsa, a famous Soviet and Russian scientist-physicist. At one of the meetings, he warned the ministers:

"If you continue this policy, you will get a country of fools. Such a country is easier to manage, but it has no future."

More than 10 years have passed since the beginning of the universal introduction of the USE in Russia. We followed this practice after America and Western Europe, the essence of which is not to get versatile knowledge for mental development, but to prepare for the final tests.

My daughter, who graduated from eleven classes of secondary education, has never had any practical laboratory work in physics or chemistry. No, laboratory, of course, were, but only on paper. No benefit for the student, no interest.

Pay attention to the modern youth. Yes, they take the GIA and the USE, they do not have the necessary knowledge, they do not know how to use them. Recently I found out that my already pretty adult niece, along with her boyfriend, was waiting for her mother to come home to open a tin can for them with a can opener or cut a watermelon. They themselves can not do this!

This is especially noticeable in the generations that were born after the mid-80s of the last century. In the period from the 90s to the zero years, they were deprived of attention and education. At that time, many free circles and sections were closed, and the whole country survived, accustoming itself to a wild market economy. After the 2000s, mugs began to open in some places, but on a paid basis, which also limited their availability.

In my childhood, I well remember the then popular programs in the USSR: “Obvious - Incredible”, “In the Animal World”, “International Panorama”. They made people think by popularizing science, natural science and geopolitics. And how many good and inexpensive newspapers and magazines at that time we could subscribe to the post office: “Young Naturalist”, “Young Technician”, “Technology for Youth”, “Model Designer”, etc. And how many smart magazines for children are published today, and who can afford to buy them?

Schools are already moaning from the masses of mentally retarded children who come to learn today. They are no longer separated into separate classes, but “spread by an even layer” over all parallels. Every year a growing number of children are nervous or with mental disabilities. They cry for any reason, breaking into a tantrum.

Electronic gadgets and mobile applications are heading them into their digitized world, replacing reality for them. Please note that children do not take their eyes off the smartphone screen, even when they cross the street or communicate with each other.

An acquaintance of mine called them "kekers." This generation of "specialists" who, having received superficial knowledge, with a confident look takes on difficult work, considering themselves professionals. University graduates who paid for their theses to those who wrote them. Lawyers with purchased diplomas, etc. etc.

Correctly someone said that the masters were gone, and instead of them were "experts".

In his previous article "Stalin primer" and the future of Russia" I have already raised the question of the present level of education and the usefulness of republishing Soviet textbooks. Yes, the Soviet education system at that time was superior to the education systems of foreign countries, as even Britain was convinced of. Now it is necessary to take all the best from Soviet textbooks for educating a human creator, and on this basis to build our own modern education system. Otherwise, a "country of fools" awaits us.

Sergei Kapitsa said:

"Nothing prevents a person from becoming smarter tomorrow than he was yesterday."

Comments

[Krasnodar]

In the Soviet school, in order to study well, it was enough just to carefully listen to the teacher in the lesson. My child has to take tutors. I’m doing homework with him. Itself does not pull, t. To. in the classroom, the teacher does not understand what he is doing.
I do not regret the collapse of the Union, but what the hell should the worst be taken from the West, and the best thing to lose from the Soviet past ???

[ruigat]

I do not regret the collapse of the Union, but what the hell should the worst be taken from the West, and the best thing to lose from the Soviet past ???

That 1/10 of the oligarch wanted to eat the fish and not wash the frying pan? Your partners from the Russian oligarchy are eager to turn our children, with the help of the Bologna education system, into a stupid herd, which will be easily led by their "gifted and hardworking" offspring, studying in the UK under the Soviet system.

[Krasnodar]

Heh, my offspring, a virtual fighter with the oligarchy, will also, at some stage, study in Melko, as you say from the top of your national superiority, Britain, Israel or Germany)). And I didn’t want anything, I’m 42 years old, didn’t take part in the destruction and plunder of the USSR, due to age restrictions

[ruigat]

And I didn’t want anything, I’m 42 years old, didn’t take part in the destruction and plunder of the USSR, due to age restrictions

But they really wanted to accept, I guess.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Krasnodar

In the Soviet school, in order to study well, it was enough just to carefully listen to the teacher in the lesson.

Exactly! My mother always told me about this, so that I would teach subjects directly in the lesson from the words of the teacher and, if something is not clear to me, I would ask the teachers about it right in the lesson or after it.
But in Soviet times, my teachers explained the new material in the lesson, not 2 minutes, as is often the case now, but 20 minutes and then asked the students to make sure they understood everything in the classroom from the teacher in the new material.
And now the teachers, one might say, simply "designate" the material in the classroom, and the teachers offer their students to bring the material to mind on their own at home with their parents or in additional classes with tutors.

I graduated from the Soviet school with "excellent" with only one grade in Russian writing. Just out of excitement, I wrote my graduation essay in Russian writing.
And when I entered the university at the university, I had entrance exams in mathematics, physics, chemistry and Russian writing. And the competition was 35 people for my profession. And I did - went through the competition.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Tatiana

Exactly! My mother always told me about this, so that I would teach subjects directly in the lesson from the words of the teacher and, if something is not clear to me, I would ask the teachers about it right in the lesson or after it.
But in Soviet times, my teachers explained the new material in the lesson, not 2 minutes, as is often the case now, but 20 minutes and then asked the students to make sure they understood everything in the classroom from the teacher in the new material.
And now the teachers, one might say, simply "designate" the material in the classroom, and the teachers offer their students to bring the material to mind on their own at home with their parents or in additional classes with tutors.

I graduated from the Soviet school with "excellent" with only one grade in Russian writing. Just out of excitement, I wrote my graduation essay in Russian writing.
And when I entered the university at the university, I had entrance exams in mathematics, physics, chemistry and Russian writing. And the competition was 35 people for my profession. And I did - went through the competition.

So it is precisely that it all depended on you. When I was stupid, I asked again about five times, it came to the point that the whole class explained to me, but at home I started to do home without any questions ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: Krasnodar

So it is precisely that it all depended on you. When I was stupid, I asked again about five times, it came to the point that the whole class explained to me, but at home I started to do home without any questions ..

Exactly! In the 7th grade, I didn’t do oral assignments at all at home - I remembered everything in the lesson, I did only written ones, and then no more than 45 minutes. And then I read various books at my own discretion and attended circles: a drama circle and solo singing. Participated a lot in the social work of the class. I was an artist of a cool wall newspaper and a "prima" of our school amateur performances.

[Krasnodar]

I went to judo, paleontology, then, after a shoulder injury, tooequando. And at home I read historical books heavily. )))

[Tatyana]

And I still loved to sew my outfits, already from 11 years! We had home economics classes at our school, and girls were taught to sew and knit on them. All this later was very useful to me in my life. I sewed stunning outfits on my feet and was proud of them even abroad.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

And I still loved to sew my outfits, already from 11 years!

We pounded mailboxes. And the compressor was dismantled at the factory. He got his first salary at eight. He walked home, proud as a turkey, and bought a glass of raspberries for his mother.

[Krasnodar]

My first earnings - I sold the queue number for washing machines, or something))
Mom bought Turkish butterfly cosmetics. He was also happy. Unlike parents

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

My first earnings - I sold the queue number for washing machines, or something))

Huckster! We worked at the ZiL branch.

[Krasnodar]

Me father-in-law also calls a huckster)). I remember they killed a weekend with a friend collecting rose hips. As a result, the proceeds were enough for two soda and one pie for two
As I remember now - with egg and onion.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

I remember they killed a weekend with a friend collecting rose hips.

Oh, remembered. I also collected plantain and chamomile in a kindergarten in a pharmacy. Any pennies paid there. It is better to collect bottles in the forest.

[Krasnodar]

Vooot ... we didn’t think of bottles))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Vooot ... we didn’t think of bottles))

Why is it so? Cheburashka twenty cents worth, from under the Capital - like 12. Or 14, I don’t remember anymore.

[Krasnodar]

We were then about ten years old)) The story of the dog rose discouraged running around the forest park for any purpose

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

We were then about ten years old)) The story of the dog rose discouraged running around the forest park for any purpose

And we have some kind of Chikatila raging. We all sharpened penknives, we wanted to catch a reptile.

[Krasnodar]

We have a year to 1989 not until Chikotil became. Moldavians began to squeeze out Russians.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

We have a year to 1989 not until Chikotil became. Moldavians began to squeeze out Russians.

Somewhere in the year 86, a pair of corpses with our heads cut off on collective farm fields formed. Tula region, if that.

[Krasnodar]

What a horror. Caught as a result of the criminal? Our neighbor in the 90th was slaughtered for the VCR Electronics and two-cassette International. The hut was taken out, it was decided with her daughter.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Horror what. Did you end up catching the culprit?

But history is silent on this. I remember my grandmother cursed when we went fishing. And my uncle sharpened my hunting knife.

[Krasnodar]

There are Manynaki in any country in the world. At the age of 13, I also carried a knife with me, made from a file. Kamel changed to a pack of cigarettes

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Changed Kamel for a pack of cigarettes

Huckster! We did it ourselves. In general, as I went to school, so did my grandfather’s knife. Our boy was not considered a boy if he didn’t have a knife. And as they began to ride beets, somewhere from the third grade, so my uncle made a cleaver for half a meter. Wow, what we just did not go to this beet. Knives, axes ...

[Krasnodar]

The coolest knife that I had was a bayonet - a knife of the English army of the First World War. I told them in the courtyard of the house of Jewish settlers in East Jerusalem vine vines. Aki with a razor)). Long ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Long...

A few days ago they promised me a bayonet-knife from SVT, I’m waiting ... But in general, I collect USSR knives, recently I fell in love with a VAKO artel’s knife, it's a shame ...

[Krasnodar]

From SVT I had in Israel - I collected bayonet knives.

[Klingon]

and we did the squealing, the self-propelled guns, then they used to wheed their parents with gunpowder, whose fathers had hunters, and if there wasn’t gunpowder, then matches were used. And we also made home-made grenades. KMnO4 + Mg (shavings) is after chemistry showed us experience in burning magnesium. So chemistry was not in vain and magnesium was from the disks of the Mi-8 chassis, which crashed, next to the construction site, while lying, we screwed there that we could

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Klingon

And we also made home-made grenades. KMnO4 + Mg (shavings) is after chemistry showed us experience in burning magnesium. So chemistry was not in vain

Twenty boxes of matches - and a full siphon spray can. Plus a wick from the rod from a fountain pen. Magnesium? And, yes, they borrowed at construction sites. And silverfish.

[Klingon]

and silver was the case. The construction of a treasure trove of a street bully in general, you could get everything from * Velcro * to calcium carbide and building cartridges

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Klingon

Building a treasure trove of a street bully in general, you could get everything from * Velcro * to calcium carbide and building cartridges

Serebryanka was generally dragged in barrels.

[Korax71]

At our school, boys, labor lessons took place in workshops, where he studied working on a lathe. While the teacher did not see, they tried to quickly insert this spray can into the cartridge and make the small longitudinal-sliding ditch sharp, the main thing is not to overdo it and not get and also drill the neck and, instead of a rod, a hunting match, like a fuse. and with the ingredients already who is in what much.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, Vitaly, that's exactly what happened. ))

[Krasnodar]

And you tell your wife so that her hands do not dissolve when men are talking)).

[mister-red]

For the season for a handed rosehip you could take a good Japanese radio. But I had to work.
You earned a pie, and you got it)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Horde

Oh Russia, naive soul

And don’t say Vital. Bush's legs flew in, fed us ... And I also remembered how rations from the Bundestag in the 89 year were given to the participants of the war.

[Klingon]

probably rations from the Bundeswehr? in the Bundestag, only a talking room and pieces of paper by the way the Germans also hate the Bundestag as we our Duma

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Klingon

probably rations from the Bundeswehr?

There was a box for four days of rations.

[Krasnodar]

And we are in control of everything.

[Krasnodar]

Well, yes, we are rogues, we love to hear about rule of the world, about serving the Fed owners, about how rich we are

[Krasnodar]

Hehe...one of my favorite moments in the movie

[Tatyana]

And I myself sewed a very high-quality beautiful fashionable white silk with satin roses graduation gown for a graduation school evening in high school. Everyone, including teachers and parents, thought that I had it sewn in a fashion studio. (In the studio I ordered me to make for this dress only a rose from the same fabric.)
And after the evening, one of the mothers asked me to sell my dress to her right there. And the next day we sold it to her for her daughter, the next year’s graduate. She gave us a good price for him.

The money for this dress of mine went to the family budget and our expenses with my mother for my graduation evening were completely justified in excess.

This was probably my first money earnings.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Tatiana

This was probably my first money earnings.

And at the age of 15 I got a job as a helper at a meat factory for a month. He received money as much as 40 rubles, but after watching the process of making sausages, before the army he ate neither sausages nor sausages.

[ruigat]

My first earnings - I sold the queue number for washing machines, or something))

No garden plant is not surprised 1/10 of the oligarch. Your essence has not changed since then. I earned my first ruble by collecting Colorado beetles on a potato field with my grandmother.

[Krasnodar]

I'm also not surprised that the virtual fighter with the oligarchy took the first earned ruble from his own grandmother)).

[ruigat]

that the virtual fighter with the oligarchy took the first ruble earned from his own grandmother)).

It was she who taught me that money does not fall from the sky and is not drawn, but is earned (it was very unpleasant to climb the field under the scorching sun and collect correspondingly smelling beetles). So I was quickly weaned from the childish "want, buy".

[Krasnodar]

Very correct, by the way. In your even more beloved Israeli oligarchy, children from the age of 14, in my opinion, are shoved to work at all sorts of McDonalds, etc. for the summer holidays. For the same purpose.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Tatiana

And I still loved to sew my outfits, already from 11 years! We had home economics classes at our school, and girls were taught to sew and knit on them. All this later was very useful to me in my life. I sewed stunning outfits on my feet and was proud of them even abroad.

So naturally)). By shape, by style, by eye-hair combination. You can’t buy it in any boutique!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Tatiana

And I still loved to sew my outfits, already from 11 years! We had home economics classes at our school, and girls were taught to sew and knit on them. All this later was very useful to me in my life. I sewed stunning outfits on my feet and was proud of them even abroad.

So naturally)). By shape, by style, by eye-hair combination. You can’t buy it in any boutique!

It's not even just that.
The thing is that clothing is also an expression of the content of the person’s inner world as a reflection of his outer world and environment.

It's one thing when the trade offers you something from the production of mass tailoring - and you yourself select something from this and learn to wear it. And a completely different thing is when you yourself, your own clothes, as an individual reflection of your own external world and environment, artistically fantasize and create for yourself this external world and environment yourself. At the same time, the individuality of a person can be expressed very expressively brightly, but not defiantly, and at the same time, it is not repeatable in any of the people anymore.
It means a lot in love and life.

[samarin1969]

Quote: Tatiana

And I still loved to sew my outfits, already from 11 years! We had home economics classes at our school, and girls were taught to sew and knit on them. All this later was very useful to me in my life. I sewed stunning outfits on my feet and was proud of them even abroad.

The article and many comments are simply an encyclopedia of educational myths. Yes now, even in the most backward schools they teach to knit, sew, sew, cook, etc. ... And the boys also sew and knit.
Any textbooks can be downloaded, even pre-revolutionary ones. The qualifications of teachers are now higher than in the Union. Programs and textbooks are tailored for young "stars". Everything is beautiful, technological, interesting.
But most students have NO MOTIVATION. That is where the problem is.

[Krasnodar]

Oh, your words, yes to God in the ears

[Karenas]

Quote: samarin1969

But most students have NO MOTIVATION. That is where the problem is.

But this does not correspond to the truth ... Very, very competent in mathematics university graduates are immediately invited to the West for skilled work ... Sometimes, the initial salary is already 25t. dollars a month ...
When such students asked the government what was being done so that they did not leave their homeland, they read children's tales to them ...

[samarin1969]

[quote = Karenas] [quote = samarin1969] Very, very mathematics-literate university graduates are immediately invited to the West for skilled work ... It happens that the initial salary is already 25t. dollars a month ...
. [/ Quote]
Such children are familiar to me. But they study on their own, mainly in selected subjects. But there are less than 1% of them, and they do not determine the face of school education. They are already trained students in universities. But even there they are "motivated" - up to 20%.

[Karenas]

Quote: samarin1969

These children are familiar to me. But they learn on their own, mainly selected subjects

I would not say that ... Those I know taught everything ... And their teachers were excellent ... There was a case when such a teacher climbed into the water in the Crimea to save his student ... he died, having a myocardial infarction. ..

[New Year day]

Quote: samarin1969

The qualifications of teachers are now higher than in the Union. Programs and textbooks are tailored for young "stars". Everything is beautiful, technological, interesting.

may be so. That's just the task of education is now different

Quote: samarin1969

That's where the problem is.

[Mari33]

The author of the American analogue of the exam was convicted of sabotage in the education system.
The wrong thing in the USA was only suspected in the 2000s, when a number of independent examinations confirmed that the already deplorable education of Americans over the past years has noticeably worsened.
“The damage Mr. Johnson inflicted on the US education system is not in the money. This is a real disaster, the consequences of which will affect not only the current generation, but also several future ones, ”said the judge, announcing the verdict.
Since 2012, the United States has completely abolished the knowledge assessment system introduced in the 1980s based on Johnson's books. Experts note that the new education system that came to replace it in many ways resembles the Soviet system, although this is not declared at the official level.
.
Interestingly, but do they know about Putin, his colleague Medvedev, Vasiliev, etc.?

[Svarog]

Quote from Mari33

Interestingly, but do they know about Putin, his colleague Medvedev, Vasiliev, etc.?

Of course they know .. but they do not care, they work for themselves, and not for the people, and there are a lot of confirmations.

[Karenas]

Quote from Mari33

Interestingly, but do they know about Putin, his colleague Medvedev, Vasiliev, etc.?

Everyone knows ... When 20 years ago the minister was told about $ 22 billion in the US budget only to bring school programs to the Soviet system, he simply indicated that your entire education budget is more than 10 times less than this amount ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from Mari33

Interestingly, but do they know about Putin, his colleague Medvedev, Vasiliev, etc.?

Vasilyeva knows and, to the best of her ability, is even trying to change the system from stamping the faceless masses to educating each individual, but she receives serious resistance from the liberals who have settled in the education system, who have already made a proposal to resign the minister. As they say, one person in the field is not a warrior, since this should first of all be the interest of the state, and he (interest), alas, is put at the service of a narrow group of people who, having absorbed Western values ​​​​by mouth and back, in no way associate themselves with Russia except for the financial umbilical cord.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Krasnodar

I went to judo, paleontology, then, after a shoulder injury, tooequando. And at home I read historical books heavily. )))

Taekwondo in Soviet times? Oh well...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Puncher

Taekwondo in Soviet times? Oh well...

It was such a movie. Hong Gil Dong was called if sclerosis does not confuse me.

[Klingon]

in Hong Gil Dong, it’s not shown at all Taekwondo, but Hap Ki Do, and most likely a mixture of different combat systems.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Klingon

in Hong Gil Dong, it’s not shown at all Taekwondo, but Hap Ki Do, and most likely a mixture of different combat systems.

Well, actually I liked ninjutsu more.

[Klingon]

there, the ninjutsu was so-so, and if you want to watch normal Japanese films about the ninja, here's a selection for you:
1.Sinobi no Mono (ninja) of 1962 + 8 other films of this series: 2.Sinobi 2, 3.Isikawa Goemon, 4.Kirigakura Saizo, etc.
2) Seventeen Ninja
3) Owl Castle (old and new version with Nakai Kiichi)
the films are black and white but made just fine and the ninjutsu is presented very high quality
Shl. do not watch a'la hollywood with Sho Kosugi, although I like him, but films about ninja with him are not the same

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Klingon

Shl. do not watch a'la hollywood with Sho Kosugi, although I like him, but films about ninja with him are not the same

"Killer under the sign of Sakura"?

[Klingon]

this one did not see - standing?
not like Enter the Ninja or Ninja Revenge?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Klingon

this one did not see - standing?

No, I have not seen this. Well, as a kid, all the video shows were about ninjas.

[naidas]

The acquaintance of Soviet athletes with taekwondo took place in the 70s of the XX century. The ban lasted until 1988. Since 1989, taekwondo in the Soviet Union began to develop at a rapid pace: the USSR Taekwondo Championships were held, the national team took part in the World Cup in Pyongyang, the first all-union seminars and certification on black taekwondo belts were held.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Puncher

Taekwondo in Soviet times? Oh well...

1989 - 1991. Departed for a year and a half)).
And the san-da guys have been doing it since 1987.
Taki under the Union.

[Karenas]

Quote: Puncher

Taekwondo in Soviet times? Oh well...

Kung fu was here in Soviet times ... But this is an exception ... The master lived here, and it happened ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Karenas

Kung fu was here in Soviet times..

and Jiu-jitsu?

[Karenas]

And there was no point in jiu-jitsu ... Combat sambo is no worse ... You can google on YouTube the invincible in the octahedron - Gokor Chivichyan - ours, from Yerevan ... Familiar sambists say that in their style he went to his opponent, Maedo, who boastfully stated that Gokor left the octahedron because he saw it :) Well, Gokor punished the Japanese by breaking his arm, as the day before the fight he said to the bouncer ... And this despite the fact that he had not fought there for 5 years ...
Soviet school :)

[New Year day]

Quote: Karenas

Combat sambo is no worse ...

we didn’t have this in our town, we found a magazine on ju-jitsu and mastered it in the gym.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

we didn’t have this in our town, we found a magazine on ju-jitsu and mastered it in the gym.

In the magazine "Soviet Militia" there were drawings of SAMBo.

[Terenin]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Silvestr

we didn’t have this in our town, we found a magazine on ju-jitsu and mastered it in the gym.

In the magazine "Soviet Militia" there were drawings of SAMBo.

Hi Vladimir . I remember. It (magazine), by the way, could be written out only by police officers.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Terenin

I remember. It (magazine), by the way, could be written out only by police officers.

That's what I don’t remember. My father served with a friend in the KGB, maybe from there?

[Krasnodar]

Chevichyan fought in ufc just one fight, which he won in pain, EMNIP
He was engaged in sambo only in childhood - mainly ju-do and graci-jiu-jitsu

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

He was engaged in sambo in childhood - mainly judo and graci-jiu-jitsu

I had to learn martial karate. However, I was fond of drunken style.

[Krasnodar]

I'm talking about Gevorgyan
Drunken style is a complicated thing)).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Drunk style is a tricky thing))

No, there is nothing complicated there. Much more fun than, say, the Heron style. I also studied. I liked the drunken master better. Until now, I can do exercises in this style. Here with a stretch that it became shitty.

[Krasnodar]

I got my stretcher back a year ago))
Then, however, he operated on a vertebral hernia

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

I got my stretcher back a year ago))

But I can’t do it. Laziness. But at the beginning of August he climbed onto the horizontal bar, and went nuts: he could not pull himself up. Never! I had to urgently engage in a couple of months, pulling up caught up to eight times.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

But at the beginning of August he climbed onto the horizontal bar, and went nuts: he could not pull himself up. Never!

not one such !!! I remember myself young - what a fuck to do. From the memories, my hair stands on end .
And now laziness. Although laziness is the engine of progress. It would not be laziness, they would not have come up with a remote control for a zombie and other equipment. Yes, and I’m afraid to give the load, the break is big, and the age is not pioneer

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

not one of them!!

So what am I doing? I took my hands in my legs and now I’m pulling myself up 8 times. Right now, winter, the freeze bar, I don’t go. And I want to catch up to 20 times. I think it will work out.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I took my hands in my legs and now I’m lifting myself 8 times.

I force myself to do this every time, but there is a "force majeure"! As in our Ministry of Justice.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Silvestr

not one of them!!

So what am I doing? I took my hands in my legs and now I’m pulling myself up 8 times. Right now, winter, the freeze bar, I don’t go. And I want to catch up to 20 times. I think it will work out.

Very gradually and carefully. I played it.

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnodar

Very gradually and carefully.

nothing is lost so quickly and is not restored so long as health

[Krasnodar]

Do it right. After 13 years of break, I started training, threw off 4 kilos in 18 months, sparing for a year and ... first hernia - surgery last February. I just came to my senses and began to swim - in July, a heart attack - 41 years old then I was So do not play around)) Charging maximum.

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnodar

in July, a heart attack - I was 41 then

Ans had a case: the weightlifter at home wardrobe for outerwear moved - a heart attack. everything should be commensurate. what coronars we don’t recognize and God forbid to know this! Let them work

[Krasnodar]

Krasava! I, due to the injury received in childhood, 8 times maximum and pulled myself up. But I do a lot of push-ups)).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Krasava! I, due to the injury received in childhood, 8 times maximum and pulled myself up. But I do a lot of push-ups)).

As a child, I read a little book: "How I was a soldier in the American army." So that's it. Theirs special forces are wrung out 75 times in two minutes. I thought: "Why am I worse?" In general, one hundred and twenty squeezed out in a minute and forty seconds.

[Krasnodar]

I also did for 100, but not for a while. With his feet on a bench on his fists, he did 60, but also at his own pace. But the pull-ups did not go, but for the sake.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

I also did for 100, but not for a while. With his feet on a bench on his fists, he did 60, but also at his own pace. But the pull-ups did not go, but for the sake.

I pressed 25 times on my fingers, 40 on my fists, and the rest 50 on my palms. Pulling myself up - 25 times, which I received an honorary diploma in techie, but since I took an honorable third place, I threw the diploma of entu.

[Krasnodar]

Haven't even tried it on my fingers. ))
From 17 to 27 years, he was engaged in kickboxing (minus three years of a break for the army), enough to maintain himself in shape. I did a hundred push-ups on the KMB, after the army I did 40 and died, so quickly I began to recover myself.)) Then, when I did it for 100, I lost interest in it.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Haven't even tried it on my fingers. ))

In our hand in hand only those who 15 times on their fingers can be wrung out were accepted. At three. Well, I did 25 push-ups.

[Krasnodar]

Wow! A melee in the sense of a san-da stand plus a judo-do-sambo parterre or something else?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Wow! A melee in the sense of a san-da stand plus a judo-do-sambo parterre or something else?

Karate, plus elements of SaMbo and freestyle wrestling. It's funny now, but before it was cool.

[Krasnodar]

In Israel, I tried to do something like this - it was called pankration)) Kyokoshinskaya stance, free-throw and judo throws, Gracie-jiu-jitsu stalls. Not mine, quickly threw it)).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

In Israel, I tried to do something like this - it was called pankration)) Kyokoshinskaya stance, free-throw and judo throws, Gracie-jiu-jitsu stalls. Not mine, quickly threw it)).

This is garbage, I waved the nunchaku as a child, broke a chandelier. Bruce Lee was a fan. And he shot at the TV from the air, the TV turned out to be stronger.

[Krasnodar]

He cooled off to the Nun Chakas when he saw a man with a piece of reinforcement in the courtyard of a home-grown karateka beat them. He simply tore the nun chucks from him with a piece of iron, falling into a chain. And then with all this construction he hit him on the wave)). In short, I liked the fittings more!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

He cooled off to the Nun Chakas when he saw a man with a piece of reinforcement in the courtyard of a home-grown karateka beat them.

I could wave a couple. They say that it is difficult, but for some reason it was easy for me. He came home, cut in the Scorpions, and for him he studied for two hours a day. Light only turned on and off with his feet.

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnodar

operated on a vertebral hernia

I didn’t want to, I found a good neurologist and I’ve been running for 16 years. It hurts, but on the feet. With extreme sports I can lift weights, but better not

[Krasnodar]

I had 2 centimeters with something. The pains are hellish. I did not reach Israel, I barely reached the hospital in Krasnodar)).

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnodar

I had 2 with something centimeters

this is a lot. Up to 12 mm is possible without surgery. A lot depends on the localization - radicular syndrome (pain).

Quote: Krasnodar

I barely made it to the hospital in Krasnodar

I had the same crap. But in front of me, the same professor and the unsuccessfully lower paraparesis operated on the same thing. I looked at it and decided, without surgery. all the way. Happened. An important factor in rehabilitation is dirt.

[Krasnodar]

I would have before 12, I would go to Israel for treatment - and the Dead Sea too.

[New Year day]

yes, I would have known the buy-in, I would have lived in Sochi

[Karenas]

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm talking about Gevorgyan
Drunken style is a complicated thing)).

Chivichyan said that noisy karate fighters have no place in the octahedron ... like they are funny "fighters"
karate ...

[Krasnodar]

Correctly. A karateka is inferior to a boxer / kick-boxer in protecting his head from punches, as a rule, he can do nothing against the throw and is absolutely helpless in the stalls. Chivichyan Pts a serious person, he devoted his whole life to sports. Knows what he says.

[Karenas]

After that interview, they invited a karateka to the studio to be responsible for their own ... So he answered that the founder of their direction showed a fight against a bear and against a tiger :) with victories :)

[Krasnodar]

Wow! There were the famous fights of Matsutatsu Oyama (founder of Kyokoshinkai) against the bull. I did not hear about fighting with a tiger and a bear in hand-to-hand combat. Maybe in virtual reality?

[Karenas]

Nope ... the guy was seriously talking ... Well, maybe not entirely in hand-to-hand ... Maybe there was a cold weapon ...

And about knocking down a bull with a weight of one ton, and here it was ... Two argued that it was possible or not to knock him to the ground with one blow? ... The third should have hit ... So he hit ... but he psychologically deceived before hitting bull, that's why it happened ... True, he also damaged his hand ... The weight of only the bull's head exceeded a quarter of a centner when weighed ...

[Krasnodar]

Oyama broke the horn with his palm and killed one with a fist in the “nose bridge”. In one of these battles he was wounded.
I would go against the bear in the T-72. Against the tiger is better with the Mi-24.

[Karenas]

That one of us, the boxer, hit a side kick ... which is harder.

No, the bears also flee from the AK-74 soldier at space speed ... from trouble, so to speak, away ...

[Krasnodar]

First, the bear asks what corporal, what caliber do you have?
If you tell him - 5.45 - he will attack. Therefore, the bear should be deceived - to speak in any case, 7.62 is necessary - then it will run away.

[Karenas]

He finished performing in the 91st ... And that fight with Maedo was already in the 96th ... His friends turned to him with a demand to punish the Japanese. Having expressed confidence in the victory of Gokor ... Well, he asked for three months to prepare for the battle ...
And yes ... The basis of his training here was push-ups from the floor ... Everywhere where the free minute was ...
He is now coaching...

[Krasnodar]

He founded the Armenian Jiu-Jitsu in the States)) Seriously, read on the Internet. He has been living in America since 1982. Strong fighter.

[BAI]

And the competition was 35 people per place for my specialty.

Such a competition was only in theater (VGIK - which is the same), foreign language and MGIMO.

[nickname7]

Mass education is one question
Eton College is the second question
USE, this third question
mathematical schools, this is the fourth question

The author of the article, mixed everything in a heap, adding Boris Johnson as well, completely confusing everything, apparently the victim of the USE himself, he is not able to expound.
Eton was founded in 1440 and could not copy the Soviet school.
British colleges are about the same as the tsarist gymnasium, the Soviet school became the successor. Accordingly, the heir to the gymnasiums is the Soviet school, similar to their colleges.
It’s just that their colleges are for the elite, and the union, gymnasium has made massive. Now in the Russian Federation, apparently, the best education for the people is accepted as inappropriate. But this is a separate issue.

In Britain, exams also use testing, but in conjunction with written works - essays, essays, presentationsand in the Russian Federation, the system was degraded and the emphasis was not on tests, there are no written works on exams. That is the key difference.

The author paid attention to mathematical schools, but did not write about one nuance. For example, graduates of the St. Petersburg Mathematical School do not stay in the Russian Federation, but leave to work in Western corporations. Excellent education, without the point of application of this very education, leads to waste of the budget and washes out the best gene pool. Before crying about schools, the author needs to cry about the economy.

[Krasnodar]

Ruigat! I was 1991 in 14

[Professor]

Quote: ruigat

But they really wanted to accept, I guess.

I took in the destruction, but not the plundering.
About education. Enough of stories to tell what a soviet education was magnificent, and the bourgeois sucks. I won’t say anything about the current Russian education, I don’t have personal experience, but I managed to learn from the scoop and the bourgeois. I can compare on personal experience.

I graduated from an ordinary Soviet school and we didn’t have any laboratory in physics or chemistry. It wasn't at all. At most, the teachers arranged a demonstration of one or another laboratory sample. Mainly in physics. With chemistry in general there was an ambush. We had computer science on paper, since there was not a single computer at school. They wrote the algorithms with a pen on a piece of paper. I saw the first computer in my first year at the university. In the school itself, it was possible not to strain. All those who did not go to vocational school, but to the senior classes received certificates of secondary education. By the way, all vocational school students also received them. In Israel, for example, slightly more than half of high school graduates receive certificates. The rest certificate of completion. Why be surprised then that Israel recognizes the certificates of only a dozen countries in which the USSR and the FSU are not included. But this is all secondary education, with higher education it was even worse. I will modestly keep silent about the level of correspondence students and evening students. I'll leave it for horror movies. In the full-time department, I would give diplomas to no more than 10% of students. The rest had no real knowledge. Coursework, laboratory and exams passed something like with a minimum set of knowledge. From session to session we lived happily. Cribs are the norm. The drawings were glassed, course papers were copied. Thus, the Soviet diploma was devalued.
When I got to the bourgeoisie, they politely asked me to pass the entrance exams despite my red diploma. The locals only had printouts of grades from the first degree. Exams were taken orally. Nonsense for a local high school. After admission, they demanded to learn a couple of subjects from the first degree, and if the grades for them are high, then I will be enrolled in the second degree as a full student. And one of the required subjects was statistics. They were shocked that in the USSR, engineers did not teach statistics and limited themselves to only a couple of lectures on terver on the tower.

A few differences:
1. In a Soviet university, 99% of the material was given in lectures. According to the notes, it was possible to perfectly prepare for the exams and pass them. The bourgeois give 20-25% of the material at lectures. The rest the student must learn on his own. Moreover, the exam is always more difficult than those examples that were considered on the course. So they force the student to study on his own, which is indispensable for the future specialist.
2. The exam among the bourgeois was only written. Moreover, the examiner was not a teacher, but old women pensioners who handed out forms and made sure that no one wrote them off. They did not put names on the form. Only ID number. I didn’t check the exams, but a doctoral student. No blat helped.
3. It was impossible to write off from the bourgeois. This is a taboo. If caught, then deducted and cried money for training. Nobody tried it, and if I tried it, then the students themselves would have passed it right away.
4. Burzhuins had exams where they allowed to bring any kind of literature. It only got in the way.
5. ...

PS
For uryak: Soviet education was paid for by my grandfathers working for workdays on collective farms. I also personally did not pay for the education of the bourgeoisie. As an excellent student, they paid for it themselves and also gave me a scholarship, despite the fact that neither I nor my ancestors worked for them a single day. By the way, with my high taxes of 50% of the salary, I later paid for the education of another hundred students like me here. But even if I decided to leave them, no one would demand that I return the money for training.

[Krasnodar]

USSR certificate of maturity in Israel is recognized - the question is, sho with it? Until you pass psychometers, you will not enter the university

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

USSR certificate of maturity in Israel is recognized - the question is, sho with it? Until you pass psychometers, you will not enter the university

You are mistaken. None of the universities recognizes him here and therefore demands to complete the preparatory department (mechina).

[Krasnodar]

I made a bagrut in Israel in 1994. Even if you did psychometry with a foreign certificate, you need a mechin? Did not know

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

I made a bagrut in Israel in 1994. Even if you did psychometry with a foreign certificate, you need a mechin? Did not know

Not any certificate. German and Swiss universities, for example, are recognized. I don’t remember the rest. A lot of time has passed since I needed it.

Quote: BAI

This is where they did not teach? We had a whole course on "Matstatistics".

At the Polytechnic. With me then here all the "Russians" learned statistics, no matter what technical university they came from. There was also a physicist from NSU.

Quote: Boris55

That is, you admit that you broke the warehouse door, but didn’t take anything yourself?

I actively contributed to the demise of the USSR. I didn’t steal.

Quote: Boris55

The difference is that under Stalin builders were needed, and under capitalism, slaves were needed. Hence the corresponding education.

Where now without Drugashvili? Yosya, we now have a standard on any issue. I’m embarrassed to ask, why under capitalism, even in those days, supported the training of all kinds of humanities such as philosophers, art historians, writers, artists and further on the list? Slaves at construction sites work, but what is the use of the humanities?

[Krasnodar]

So people without mechina, even with an Eton certificate, will not be able to study in Hebrew On the mechina, they finish the bagrut and prepare for psychometry or Hebrew terms are taught. According to statistics, yes - it lags, as I understand it, in the USSR, engineers did not teach. Scientific Marxism replaced this.

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnodar

So people without mechina, even with an Eton certificate, will not be able to study in Hebrew. On mehina, they either finish a bagrut and prepare for psychometry or teach Hebrew terms.

You forgot everything. Seen for a long time in Krasnodar. The French usually came already with knowledge of Hebrew. They read and wrote generally freely and spoke more or less. Some olim, having lived for a year or two in Israel, went into the army for 3 years. You can imagine what their Hebrew was like after that. In general, the mekhina, of course, was a useful thing, but ... it cost as much as a year of study at the university itself. so only those who wanted to improve the grades of the certificate went there voluntarily, since it was about 50% of the total passing score in the university (sekhem).

[Krasnodar]

No, I didn’t forget. French, even with knowledge of Hebrew, even without, language at the level of academic terms don't know
Mekhina - when I demobilized - there were tuition discounts (50% for the first year, EMNIP) + 2 years for free. It should be much better now, so a year is tolerable. After the army, good colloquial Hebrew, but what is hetzion, itpalgut, nigzeret and others - the bulk of 90 percent do not know so)). I served in the army, I know what I'm talking about. Yes, and the demobilization friends in the main were as you describe - hayalim bodedim, out of 5 years in the country, three years in the army. One year they worked part-time - then in fur. Or into a golimous mihlala on andesai, so that later BA can be done for some kind of engineering.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

I actively contributed to the demise of the USSR. I didn’t steal.

Member of the "Rats Run" program?

[Krasnodar]

What the hell are rats? My father was a foreman in a foundry, my mother was a teacher. When demonstrations began in Chisinau “Let's drown the railways in Russian blood” and “Jews to the Dniester, Russians beyond the Dniester” + a wave of crime began, they began to look for where to dump. The Russians left some for Russia, some for Ukraine - some have relatives where. Our relatives in Moscow were minuscule, but in Israel there was a crowd, which, by the way, called us to itself. Here they left.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

What the hell are rats?

Mossad had such a program. I don’t remember the name exactly, but something about rats.

[Town Hall]

What damn rats? My father was a foreman in a foundry, my mother was a teacher. When the demonstrations in Chisinau “drown railways in Russian blood” and “Jews in the Dniester, Russians beyond the Dniester” began

Don't write nonsense

[Krasnodar]

Well of course nonsense! Demonstrations in the center of Chisinau. This, of course, was not. )))
I have nothing against the Moldovans, I was personally surrounded by mostly good people. But you can’t throw words out of a song, and you don’t have to pretend now that this didn’t happen from 1988 to 1991. It's just that instead of a good life without the Russians, who, as many thought, were fed by the republics, after the collapse of the Union, all countries like Moldova, Georgia and Armenia fell into trouble. Then everyone understood who was feeding whom and, coming as gasters to the same Russia, they are trying to hush up this topic. But in the same Krasnodar, there are enough Bendery, Chisinau and Tiraspol Russians. You can, if you wish, communicate with them.

[Town Hall]

Of course nonsense. Heady and sneaky. You can’t bring a single photo or video with demonstrations with this kind of slogan ... write better nonsense about 200 push-ups on your ears and do not throw dirt at people

[Krasnodar]

.. yes the posters were beautiful - Ku latinice shi grossu jos! They just shouted different things there, but on the streets at the same time ordinary people refused to speak Russian, in the store to serve and answer questions asked on the street))
What soared me least, like my father, (he has Moldovan almost native, grandmother and grandfather are Romanian Jews, but I have already forgotten, unfortunately), unlike the mood on the street. But, if you insist, now I will look for something on the Internet. About slogans and demonstrations.

[Town Hall]

As I see it, you don’t know Moldovan at all ... even though you were born and raised there .... In Israel or in Russia, is it also possible to be born and live and not know Hebrew or Russian? ... In Chisinau, to this day, half Russian-speaking residents and on the streets, Russian speech can be heard more often than Moldavian. It is strange that the "eyewitness" of such anti-Jewish "slogans" is not able to give a single specific example of a Jew who has suffered in Moldova since the late 80s due to the fact that he is a Jew. Rabin of Chisinau would probably take off his belt and spank you so that they don’t carry a snowstorm on the Internet)




Rabbi of the Jewish Community of the Republic of Moldova Shimshon Isakson: Jews are comfortable in Moldova, many return
12: 19 12.12.2018
Today in the Republic of Moldova there is a new demographic trend.

[Krasnodar]

http://historywars.info/p409001_PriDnestr.html
http://www.1917.com/International/Romania/1110231897.html
https://press.try.md/mobile_item.php?id=1042811824
Here, by the way, a lot is not written about Jews as well))
http://m.rosbalt.ru/world/2011/12/13/924055.html
But that Lari died five years ago, I didn’t know

Now it’s comfortable, I don’t argue. I don’t speak Moldavian for about 28 years, studied at a Russian-Moldavian school and was born in the RSFSR))
Father from Leovo, mother from Russia, grandfather with grandmother din Yasht))
Once again - I am not against Moldova, about the Jews who suffered - this was not the case. The Russians were affected.
Z.Y. Yasht is Iasi in Russian, isn't it?

[Town Hall]

And why am I not surprised? .... Aren't you ashamed to refer to these Internet washes yourself? ... and even in these slacks, not a single photo or video with such slogans .... Stop replicating these unfounded fakes.

Z.Y. not Yasht and Yash. learn at least the names of the birthplace of the ancestors)

[Krasnodar]

What year are you born? Just be honest ... I did not pick up everything from the Internet, this is what happened in Chisinau in 1989-1991, I tell you)). And think for yourself - who filmed this on video in 91? ... From afar, the roar of the demonstration was heard like this - cockatoo, cockatoo! This is when from the side of Ryzhkanovka he approached Lenin Street. I came closer, approximately to the children's world (I don't know what is there now) I heard Grossu Jos! (At that time we had a General Secretary of the Communist Party of Moldova by the name of Grossu) Well, when someone was pushing a speech, the cries I mentioned were heard. From the crowd. Special in Russian. Under the Soviet Union, the majority of Russian speakers did not know the languages ​​of the republics. You just do not remember these realities or do not know. In general, I started to teach Moldavian above the level of Carne-Lapte to the 7th class, EMNIP, because of the Limba Moldovenyasca exam. Grandmother pulled me up, Well, I started talking on the street with people, it didn’t work out with friends - they answered me in Russian. Teaching at the school was also in Russian - the Russian-Moldavian school I studied in the Russian class.

[Town Hall]

I’m more years old than you. At 89 you were -10 / 11? Children at this age study at school and not


walk around the rallies.

And what anti-Jewish did you find in Jos Grossu (who is the secretary of the Communist Party and Moldovan, moreover)?


Do you want to say that in 89 there was no press, TV and radio that covered those events? .. Or would Israel and the Jewish community go past calls for pogroms?



You just lied. The user called you a rat and you started to justify the blizzard that .. not for self-interest, but only because of the evil Moldovans who want to drown the Jews in Russian blood left ..... That your parents left in search of a better life for themselves and children, there is nothing to be ashamed of. It should be at least

[Krasnodar]

1) In 89, it was 12)). And you?
2) In Grossu jos (that’s how it was scanned, not vice versa - Gross down, that is, down) nothing, in drowning railways - single cries of specialists in Russian, didn’t it?
3) I knowingly asked how old you are What press coverage?? 89-91 years, Glasnost was, but not so much. )) There were separate stories on television, but about the general situation, without any particular details, the main thing for Israel was that we come, but the Jewish community (the community of Jewish culture, to be more precise) was sitting very quietly. She was engaged in discos for youth, concerts of Israelis, protection of the synagogue, etc.
4) User did not call me a rat, firstly, I wrote about the fact that the Russians also left Moldova (like other republics of the USSR, by the way), and secondly, because they were squeezed out of there, and about a good life, my parents left the MSSR out of fear, in the third. They were not easy-going people, I knowingly called their profession.
Once again, how old are you? And where did you live in those years? In Chisinau?

[samarin1969]

It is not enough that I like what "professor" Oleg writes. But this comment is an order of magnitude better than the article. In addition to the word "scoop" I agree with the entire text.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: samarin1969

It is not enough that I like what "professor" Oleg writes. But this comment is an order of magnitude better than the article. In addition to the word "scoop" I agree with the entire text.

The lies are complete. A mixture of truth and lies.

Quote: Krasnodar

I graduated from an ordinary Soviet school and we didn’t have laboratory laboratories in physics or chemistry. Not at all.

A complete lie. All the laboratory work was already in the second grade the suit burned with acid.

Quote: professor

In full-time, I would give diplomas to no more than 10% of students.

That's it. Compete with Shpakovsky, he will tell you about 20%.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

All the laboratory work was already in the second grade the suit burned with acid.

and we poured all the reagents into a sink on the table (there was one in the middle of the table), so much smoke went from it! Carried

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

such smoke came out of it!

I don’t remember what we did there, but it exploded notably. Well, like to connect potassium permanganate with a ski.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

type potassium permanganate with skiom to connect

everything was achieved empirically. A chemistry teacher was only after college, our class was the first with her, so we got impudent. If you break the lesson (engaged in 2 shifts) - a coin in the castle. The peak was - a female hairpin in the socket! the whole school in the dark!
there is something to remember! At least they went to school without weapons

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

The teacher in chemistry was only after the institute,

We like the Trudovik conducted physics. Chunk - drove. There were barks. He threw hammers at us, and threatened to dig everyone with a shovel.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

He threw hammers at us

scumbag. There were none on my path.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

scumbag.

No, we respected him. Somehow he put pancakes from the bar into the diplomat, about forty kilos somewhere. In general, the pen from the diplomat pulled away.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Somehow he put pancakes from the bar into the diplomat, about forty kilos somewhere.

villains though!
We have a car case Leva was a cigarette, he simply grew to his lips. smoked mercilessly. Urow- no less- smoke!
Hammered us ICE and traffic rules. They laughed at him, but got rights. Eh, youth!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

villains though!

In! I heard such obscene words for the first time.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In! I heard such obscene words for the first time

we were different. Wait, if you’re dissatisfied with the teacher, so with a gun to him. and even with a grenade. They can beat. Kinder we all were

[kiril1246]

Quote: Mordvin 3

A complete lie. All laboratory work was already in the second grade the suit burned with acid

Chemistry in the second grade is strong. At 10m, biochemical synthesis was probably mastered.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kiril1246

At 10m, they probably mastered biochemical synthesis.

The formula of alcohol was studied. Biochemistry? No, I don't remember that.

[kiril1246]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: kiril1246

At 10m, they probably mastered biochemical synthesis.

The formula of alcohol was studied. Biochemistry? No, I don't remember that.

In the USSR, physics began to be studied in the fifth grade, and chemistry in the seventh grade.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kiril1246

In the USSR, physics began to be studied in the fifth grade, and chemistry in the seventh grade.

We studied from the second. We had a great chemist-mathematician.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: kiril1246

Quote: Mordvin 3

A complete lie. All laboratory work was already in the second grade the suit burned with acid

Chemistry in the second grade is strong. At 10m, biochemical synthesis was probably mastered.

In the 8th, methamphetamine was brewed.

[BAI]

I graduated from an ordinary Soviet school and we didn’t have laboratory laboratories in physics or chemistry. Not at all. Maximum teachers staged a demonstration of a particular laboratory sample. Mostly in physics. There was an ambush with chemistry. We had computer science on paper since there was not a single computer in the school.

Were laboratory in all subjects. As I remember now - they made pear essence - with the smell of a pear, in chemistry. In physics, various electrical circuits were assembled. But computer science we just existed, it was introduced when I already finished school.

They were shocked that in the USSR, engineers did not learn statistics and limited themselves to a couple of lectures on the terver on the tower.

This is where they did not teach? We had a whole course on "Matstatistics".

[Boris55]

Quote: professor

I took in the destruction, but not the plundering.

That is, you admit that you broke the warehouse door, but didn’t take anything yourself?

The difference is that under Stalin builders were needed, and under capitalism, slaves were needed. Hence the corresponding education.

[ruigat]

The difference is that under Stalin builders were needed, and under capitalism, slaves were needed. Hence the corresponding education.

So you help the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to create slaves.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

I graduated from an ordinary Soviet school and we didn’t have laboratory laboratories in physics or chemistry. Not at all.

And we had.

Quote: professor

I’m modestly silent about the level of correspondence and evening parties. I will leave for horror films.

It is visible to you.

Quote: professor

For the wise man: Soviet education was paid to me by my grandfathers working for workdays on collective farms.

Read Makarenko, or something.

[passerby]

I completely agree with you on this issue.

[Karenas]

Quote: professor

But this is all secondary education, with higher education it was even worse. I’m modestly silent about the level of correspondence and evening parties. I will leave for horror films.

I'll correct the misconception about evening parties here ... My late buddy in the 70s was the strongest student in mathematics. Kind teachers did not want him to be expelled for nationalist deeds, as the kissers from the Chekists demanded, they transferred him to the evening department. Naturally, he was sent to the army as a paratrooper. He returned without losing his knowledge - as he continued to study there, and went to take exams for recovery. The lecturer, having heard that he wanted to get an "excellent" mark, tortured him with questions up and down. Passed "excellent".
That is, as a student of the mathematical direction, neither the evening nor the urgent did not knock him off track ... I already wrote - he accepted orders from academic mathematicians to obtain the conclusions of complex formulas, the tariff was 2 thousand wooden ones ... By the way, because of the mad he did not have enough time to defend his degree at work ... He recalled with pleasure that he got about 1,5 tons of vacation pay. rubles...

[Professor]

Quote: Karenas

I’ll correct the misconception about evening parties ...

By bringing this exception, you have confirmed the rule.

[Kawado]

at a certain stage, will study in Melko

I have seen specialists from "Melko" Britain and other similar countries)))
I will not say that there is precisely a "bad" education, but their graduates, for the most part, are felt boots, at least those who are sent here to us.

[Svarog]

Quote: ruigat

I do not regret the collapse of the Union, but what the hell should the worst be taken from the West, and the best thing to lose from the Soviet past ???

That 1/10 of the oligarch wanted to eat the fish and not wash the frying pan? Your partners from the Russian oligarchy are eager to turn our children, with the help of the Bologna education system, into a stupid herd, which will be easily led by their "gifted and hardworking" offspring, studying in the UK under the Soviet system.

An absolutely accurate comment .. The authorities don’t even hide this, remember Gref’s words, where he said that they don’t need smart people ... They want to return to feudalism, when the people were illiterate ... A caste society has already been created, where there is the "elite" who imagined themselves to be nobles and a series of clownish duels is evidence of this and the people who need to be able to write and count .. They need a consumer and they exactly imitate the United States in this. And this is just one point that shows that Russia does not have an independent future, under the current government. High-quality education for the entire population of Russia is the key to its successful development in the future, coupled with the right economic and social policy.

[Vadim237]

Our oligarchy does not crave anything - they need smart people, because without highly skilled workers all their production will become. Who will strive for training will learn - who does not strive to, at least introduce a system, as he was a lazy person, so he will remain a lazy person.

[Kawado]

To make a "stupid herd", you still have to try. If parents are not made with a finger, then no matter what education you have, you get tired of making a "stupid" child out of it. Because it is not the school that instills the character in the child, but the parents, by their personal example. The school certainly plays its role, but if there is no proper upbringing, then the school is useless. If a child has an interest in learning, he will learn, and if not, then no school will ever force him to.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Krasnodar

My child has to take tutors. I’m doing homework with him. Itself does not pull, t. To. in the classroom, the teacher does not understand what he is doing.

And the director, on the contrary, allowed me to study subjects in advance, thank you very much for that. I mean, I came to a new school in the fifth grade, but the program seemed too easy and boring (and classmates were still cattle), so in the fifth from the nefig I took up physics, and in the sixth - for chemistry.

[Krasnodar]

In the Soviet school, being in the sixth grade, he won the history olympiad for the tenth. )))

[Kuroneko]

"Zergut, Voldemar"! =)
They sent me to all the Olympiads too. However, as a rule, we had a continuous physical education in the city. Here at point blank range I don’t remember that at least one historical hit.
By the way, I was so insolent about high school that I just didn’t do homework - I had time to quickly flip through all the problems and equations at breaks. Once, however, the same thing flew in and the mathematician with indescribable gloating then slapped me a deuce in front of the whole class for an absent work, hey.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kuroneko

Once, however, the same thing flew in and the mathematician with indescribable gloating then slapped me a deuce in front of the whole class for an absent work, hey.

I was cooler. A neighbor on my desk wrote off all my work completely. Straight one to one. So that's it. The mathematician gave me a two with a minus, and he gave him a three with a plus, and wrote "Well done!" We laughed for a long time.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Mordvin 3

The mathematician gave me a two with a minus, and he gave him a three with a plus, and wrote "Well done!" We laughed for a long time.

You just didn't appreciate her humor, most likely.
A deuce to you - for giving to write off. Three to him - for the zeal to write off.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kuroneko

You just didn't appreciate her humor, most likely.

But what kind of humor is there, she just didn’t love me. It was cool. I got caught up like on a winter vacation, I foolishly opened the door for her, she led me and another one to the museum. Well, we fled along the road. So she spread rot on us later.

[Krasnodar]

I was stupid in mathematics under the Union. More precisely, in algebra. Geometry is logic, history is memory. In Israel, I had to take mathematics with perseverance)). Taki went and good ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

I was stupid in mathematics under the Union. More precisely, in algebra. Geometry is logic, history is memory. In Israel, I had to take mathematics with perseverance)). Taki went and good ..

And I'm the opposite. I never loved history. But in mathematics everything was fine.

[Krasnodar]

Mindset, you have a predisposition to exact sciences. I am more a humanist. Exact science took not his head, but vice versa))

[VeteranVSSSR]

Well, I had a matriculation certificate (average score 4) from the school principal (teacher of mathematics) to win chess ... 76 years.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: VeteranVSSSR

Well, I had a matriculation certificate (average score 4) from the school principal (teacher of mathematics) to win chess ... 76 years.

Chess helps develop mathematical thinking (often won in the pioneer camp), I think, like billiards ...

[stalki]

My child has to take tutors. I’m doing homework with him. Itself does not pull, t. To. in the classroom, the teacher does not understand what he is doing.

The teacher does what he was told to do, so the teacher should not be blamed. Favorite flare of all who have a superficial understanding of education. "Thank you" for the modern wretched education system must be said to our government and the Ministry of Education. By the way, I know teachers who, as best they can, patch up holes in manuals, textbooks and manuals in order to somehow teach children to think. But there are fewer of them. Teaching has become unprestigious, people from the 90s, the lost generations, enter the system (just maybe you are referring to such a teacher) and they are accepted. Talented people, thanks to the ministry, which devalued the system, choose other specialties.

Ps. And I regret the collapse of the Union.

[Krasnodar]

I agree that the system is to blame. As for the Union - no, I did not like it.

[Sergej1972]

You didn’t like the system. I regret the collapse of the Union precisely as the territorial collapse of the state.

[Krasnodar]

1) So I praise the Soviet school
2) No, I teach kickboxing and a little fight. He is lazy for violin. )) Yes, and hearing is needed.
3) There is no flow, but a fish in muddy water - it is too early to talk about this. But you will enjoy even more 90s

[Krasnodar]

Yes, they wouldn’t have learned, Vitaly Forbes Russia would have headed the list ...

[Krasnodar]

In the best restaurant in Krasnodar they don’t dance, alas Vitaliy, when was the last time you were in a restaurant? )) In the 90s? Ordered White Roses? I mean not mother-in-law, but Shatunova? Or Murka, and then they fought with the father-in-law?

[Krasnodar]

Yes, yes, citizen, probably. It is necessary to check, by the way)). True, a banquet at the Orthodox is not a restaurant, but it doesn’t matter. Do you still have such gypsies with gypsies in the North? Cool I would come.

[Vend]

The only drawback of Soviet education is that it was developed in the USSR by communists. That's all. A few years later, Britain will begin to export the former Soviet education, passing it off as British development.

[Gardamir]

But the current chief in Russia believes that everything Soviet is bad. And that means. For the opinion of citizens has long been not interested in the Kremlin.

[Gardamir]

As it is illogical, the president of Russia constantly travels to Israel. And Sberbank did not even recognize Crimea. Or do you consider all Soviet Jews?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Gardamir

But the current chief in Russia believes that everything Soviet is bad.

You can link at least one, where the GDP says that ALL Soviet bad?

[Evdokim]

Yes, they pass the GIA and the Unified State Examination, they do not possess the necessary knowledge, they do not know how to use it.

As the saying goes: "What we have we do not keep, having lost we cry." From EGE-shnyh pupils will grow up, and no teachers will turn out. Which will produce the same students. And that's all, a vicious circle turns out.

Schools are already moaning from the masses of mentally retarded children who come to learn today. They are no longer separated into separate classes, but “spread by an even layer” over all parallels. Every year a growing number of children are nervous or with mental disabilities. They cry for any reason, breaking into a tantrum.

And with them you need to deal with a separate program, and not on a common basis. They will try to stretch out some, at least for a bite, at least somehow, and others to stupid to one level with them.
PS I read it, and it became sad for the Ministry of Education, Br-br-br-br.

[ANCIENT]

Simple statistics from the youngest niece - out of 27 children over the past academic year, 9 visited libraries, including school 8 of them took ONLY textbooks! She took fiction alone! For many of her friends and schoolchildren, fiction is just useless paper, occupying racks for who knows what! !!We are losing young people, they don't even want to read pamphlets, and I generally keep quiet about thick books! I taught the girl to books from childhood, because her parents themselves are not particularly lovers of reading, and sometimes I want to talk with a person who is able to reason, and not speak, in clichés, as if written! !!

[Krasnodar]

Oh, a sore subject. The elder takes the book from under the stick, but his kids (a year and nine) immediately filled up with children's books. They sit, leaf through, imitating me, swipe a finger and spell something on their own, such as reading. )))

[region58]

Quote: ANCIENT

I taught the girl to books from childhood ... ... I want to talk with a person who can reason

It is not simple. Very difficult. And, if it turned out, all the more worthy of respect.

[1536]

There is no alternative to the transition to the Soviet education system. And it cannot be. And the revival should begin with school education.

[Dmitry Bolotsky]

Everything is comprehended in comparison.
In the USSR, I felt involved in what was happening in the country. He perfectly understood his place and knew that both the result of common labor and my career, in particular, depend on my work. Social elevators worked in all sectors.
Today, practically nothing depends on me, effective managers decide for me.
In the USSR, in addition to an excellent, comprehensive academic education, there was a system of continuity among teachers. The elders chose themselves from the young ones back in school, and after graduation they led, took care of their chosen one for several more years. Thus, succession was obtained.
The authority of the teacher was undeniable, his word was law. And today some parental committees actually manage education at school, sometimes a teacher is just a pawn, which must fulfill the requirements of the regional committee.
I am happy that I was lucky to be born, study and work in the USSR.
Everything is comprehended in comparison.
PySy. Inspired..
Who knows how to work, he works.
Who does not know how to work - he teaches.
Who does not know how to teach - manages ...
The leaders divorced, however ...

[Krasnodar]

In the Union, physics and mathematics were good. Engineering specialties. Inyaz - so-so, chemistry - too. Medicine - when the whole world switched to English, including Germans and French, our Latin crammed. Psychology, humanitarian subjects - it sucks. That school one - yes, it was great.

[Hole puncher]

And the impetus for the creation of these special schools was the success of the Kolmogorov Physics and Mathematics School in Moscow, founded in 1965 by one of the leading mathematicians of the 15th century, Andrei Kolmogorov, who taught the mathematical disciplines of the best XNUMX-year-old schoolchildren of our country.

As always wishful thinking. The mentioned Kolmogorov school is not an ordinary Soviet secondary school, but rather an attempt to change the Soviet school. Maybe we had one in Novosibirsk, but I didn’t study in one, although I changed four schools. All four were more than average in the truest sense of the word. All they did was rivet future vocational school students. There were teachers trying to teach something, but most of them didn’t give a damn, reach the 8th grade, and then let them learn to turn the screws.

[faiver]

article on the case, some people in the government long overdue to the north ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: faiver

article on the case, some people in the government long overdue to the north ...

The article deceiving those who do not know what Soviet high school is, creates the illusion that everything was so cool in the USSR that even the Anglo-Saxons, having moderated their pride and arrogance, copied blah blah blah ...

[faiver]

I already know what a Soviet high school is ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: faiver

I already know what a Soviet high school is ...

If you know this, then what is your post? The modern school is worse not because the system is bad, but because the performers don't care. Give our teachers the world's best methods, and you'll still get the same result. In order for teachers to do their job, two conditions are necessary, high income and careful selection. So in paid schools, the level of teaching is much higher than in a regular school, only parents need to pay for it.

[faiver]

the system is bad in general, but in fact not only do not care about the performers, and as far as I know, the income of teachers is not beggarly now ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Puncher

The article deceiving those who do not know what Soviet high school is, creates the illusion that everything was so cool in the USSR

or maybe you just didn’t tell the school? Why hait the whole system? I will say in the highest school: then, under the Union, LET knowledge. Now is a parody of knowledge. The level of teachers is very affected.
There is another problem - students, there is already a family and self-awareness, the need for knowledge.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Silvestr

I will say in the highest school: then, with the Union, GAVE knowledge

I'm not talking about higher education, but about secondary.

Quote: Silvestr

Or maybe you just didn't get along with school?

I studied in four schools, there is something to compare. All four are the same.

Quote: Silvestr

There is another problem - students, there is already a family and self-awareness, the need for knowledge.

The system should take this into account, but in the USSR it was not divided according to abilities, although there were special schools for "special" ones, children of thieves, etc.

[Karenas]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Puncher
The article deceiving those who do not know what Soviet high school is, creates the illusion that everything was so cool in the USSR

or maybe you just didn’t tell the school? Why hait the whole system?

He wrote earlier ... Koresh was asked to leave the regular school - his character was violent ... So he went to study at evening school, but he was still sent to the All-Union School Olympiads ...

Quote: Silvestr

I will say in the highest school: then, under the Union, LET knowledge.

Yes, not only in high school they gave ... I had one sidekick, who had a lot of a / c, told me that he could not go to the Polytechnic without any damage to his knowledge, since they taught cool in a technical school and gave him the skills to properly master the material. .. And he was forced to go to college ... at school he didn’t get along with teachers :) like the first one :)

[Neutron radiation]

On the Internet, a recent interview on the BBC channel of former British Minister of Education Justina Greening was discussed. In it, she stated: “The process of transferring British high schools to the education system of the Soviet Union is completed”

And the whole world wondered why the English people were the smartest in Europe, proving this to Braxit!
Education. Soviet.

[Karenas]

Quote: Neutron radiation

On the Internet, a recent interview on the BBC channel of former British Minister of Education Justina Greening was discussed. In it, she stated: “The process of transferring British high schools to the education system of the Soviet Union is completed”

And the whole world wondered why the English people were the smartest in Europe, proving this to Braxit!
Education. Soviet.

We'll have to repeat it ... About 20 years ago, the United States laid the budget in the amount of 22 billion. evergreens only to bring the motley school programs of various states to a single one, with a focus on content from Soviet school programs ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Karenas

with a focus on content from Soviet school curricula ...

Balabolstvo not supported by any facts.

[Karenas]

Fact 22bn was ... The rest was not hard to find out ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Puncher

Balabolstvo not supported by any facts.

Read T. Wolfe. "Battle for space".

[Decimam]

"On the Internet, an interview on the BBC channel of the former Minister of Education of Great Britain Justina Greening was recently discussed. In it, she stated: "The process of transferring British secondary schools to the education system of the Soviet Union is completed." But in 2018 she resigns. I could not find it speech, although why be surprised when, due to the noisy “Skripal Case” and the rising wave of Russophobia on the BBC website, they could “clean up” this information.

And this interview cannot be found, it never happened, there was nothing to clean up. This is a fake Pravda TV.ru published in November 2018, almost a year after Justine Greening retired (http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2018/11/13/390703/samye- sovremennye-i-prestizhnye-shkoly-anglii-polnostyu-pereshli-na-sovetskuyu-sistemu-obrazovaniya#comments) and replicated by the "lower echelon" publications, and then by the author of today's article.
The fact that this "fantasy" was announced by the English-language publications a week after the "interview" (http://www.mythdetector.ge/en/myth/disinformation-great-britain-allegedly-moving-soviet-education-system).
In the creation of special schools, the experience of the USSR is really used, since the British collect all the best, and in the organization of special schools the USSR was "ahead of the rest."
The ideologist for creating special schools of this kind was not Justin Greening, but Baroness Alison Wolf, professor at King’s College in London.
But with regard to the entire educational system, the foundations of the foundations of British society, there is no question of any restructuring, and not a single minister would dare to do so. He simply will not be allowed to crush the basics.
Therefore, the author's conclusions about the "Sovietization" of British education are nothing more than a fantasy.

[parusnik]

Otherwise, a "country of fools" awaits us.

..... Already ... Unfortunately, the corresponding generation of teachers has been prepared ... Under the educational system that we have chosen ...

[pru-pavel]

The British have a Soviet education system. That is why officials of children send them to study there - solely from patriotic motives, so that the children are educated according to the standards of good Soviet education. Everything, all claims against the powerful are removed.

[Karenas]

It will not work out for you to remove all your complaints ... There, Berezovsky did bring his children to the same school where he studied :)

[bandabas]

"The troubles are forgotten, the run is stopped. The robots are stabbing, not the man." Played out. pancake.

[BAI]

"Young Naturalist", "Young Technician", "Technique - Youth", "Model Designer"

I wrote out all 4 (something that has survived to this day). + Trowel and attachment to the Young Technician - UT for skilled hands. And then - "Radio" and "Technology of Youth".
There were all kinds of circles - at schools, houses of pioneers, at departmental palaces of culture. And now everything has degenerated, the circle is very narrow - they remind one of a sect or a Masonic lodge.
The system of extracurricular education in the USSR was highly developed. Is free. And now, solid tutors and clubs. All paid.

[rocket757]

To really make happy, work, serve for the interests of the country, the people, to create, to support all the best that she has ..... adopt the best that is on the side and implement it in her own country!
Watch carefully, evaluate with common sense how the top, ruling elite acted and continue to act !!! It becomes clear that the country has seized and is ruled by its enemy.

[Steel falcon]

Education has been flying into the abyss for over a hundred years.

[Lamatinets]

Give the consumer, the most consumer consumer in the world. !!!

[seacap]

Fursenko's crime, and I personally consider this a crime, in its cynicism and consequences caused more damage than the crimes of the Gaidar-Chubais gang and the Family. Fursenko deliberately deprived us of the future and even the prospects for the revival of the nation. All of them who killed our great power, destroyed the people, handed over and sold our heritage of great ancestors, they all continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly, they are not condemned and not contemptible as enemies. We have not suffered such losses of territories, human moral and material, in any war or catastrophe, as our own corrupt leaders did, who imagined themselves, or rather appointed themselves "sovereigns and boyars." I still want to hope that they will be rewarded according to their deserts and their end will be terrible and painful.

[Den717]

Recently I found out that my already pretty adult niece, together with her young man, are waiting for their mother to come home to open a tin can for them with a can opener or cut a watermelon. They themselves cannot do this!

"One of my niece, one of my acquaintances ..." - all arguments from a similar sphere. Bredyatina on the topic - "we are all lost ....." It is terrifying to read this half-truth in the retelling of a person who is far from the real problems of education, and therefore is not able to concretize his claims to the current school.

[Sirocco]

Author, can I send this article to the State Duma? Maybe they will read it, if they know how, they will remember, maybe the conscience will wake up, which is unlikely. You can be nostalgic as much as you like, but since we fit into world capitalism, we need to forget about the old, as the GDP said. Although I can’t understand, it seems that our commander-in-chief designated an external enemy, and this is the Western world, and we are all ready to fall as one to break any liberal, and a representative of Western civilization who insults our homeland, this is how our media taught us, but if we trace the latest know how from the authorities, then we rather our authorities act at the behest of the IMF, raising the retirement age, increasing the cost of housing and communal services, rising fuel prices, deindustrialization, and 6-7 more pieces of know-how. So I don’t understand, is all these attempts to fight an external enemy a theater? And it seems to me that the same theater is used in the EU and the USA, it looks like a match-fixing, the main thing is bread and circuses, while the mass eats it, you can swindle this mass. Alas, I have such an impression, and it is getting stronger. And the Education System today cements such beliefs.

[faiver]

Author, can I send this article to the State Duma?

- what's the point? will not help, Edro rules there ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: faiver

Author, can I send this article to the State Duma?

- what's the point? will not help, Edro rules there ...

And in the 90s who, too

Edro rules...

?

[faiver]

in 90x ruled stupidity with faith in the bright future of capitalism

[Lara Croft]

Quote: faiver

in 90x ruled stupidity with faith in the bright future of capitalism

As V.P. Chernomyrdin used to say: "Do not create any party in our country, everything turns out to be the CPSU" ...

[Avior]

school in the near future.

At the time when some teachers patrolled the streets, others were busy monitoring social networks and compiling detailed reports.
The parents looked at the teachers through the cameras (an earpiece was stuck in the ear of each teacher, there was a vague sound of "Ask Petenka, Vanya, Masha. Why are you doing this exercise, or not? And take the green chalk better, Grisha likes it better" ).
There were no notebooks for children, no pens either. It is forbidden to force buying, violates the right to free education.
Marvanna, skillfully dodging a piece of white chalk flying into her, continued the lesson.
“Grisha, how cool you are throwing chalk, this is a talent, well done,” she said.
Children were not allowed to comment. This upset their mental balance and impeded development.
"Decree 44554455 prohibits the use of chalk in the classroom" - yelled a loudspeaker hanging in the classroom.
This was the third decree in the last 25 minutes.
Marvanna looked at her class. There were no parties. This was a security measure adopted by decree 33443344.
It all started with the fact that the child hit the corner of the desk a couple of years ago, the desks were made round. Then a child hit his head on the desk, and they began to make them soft. And soft school desks are difficult to wash, some child got his shirt sleeve dirty. Oh and the brawl was. Then, in order not to risk it, they decided to ban all desks.
There were no chairs, books, flowers, stands either. We do not even suspect how much danger there is in them. You can fall from a chair, break a flower and get dirty, but stands and books are the most dangerous. They had knowledge, and knowledge in the finished form is opium for students. Knowledge needs to be gained. But without books.
The door opened and a stately lady with red lips came in.
"Maryvanna, why are you standing? You can't stand, you rise above the student, it injures them. And decree 2255227 prohibits this. And, well, Maryvanna, ashamed, chalk in her hands, he was forbidden. I wanted this say: we need a report. Urgently, yesterday. About the number of students with green eyes in 1964 in our school. They demand, you understand. "
The door slammed shut.
Vanya distracted from an interesting conversation with Misha.
"Decree number 77887788 prohibits doors. They distract children from communication, which can lead to socialization problems."
“Maryvanna, Dasha is sad, cheer me up. Don't ask Lenya, we were at the birthday party of my friend’s wife’s brother’s son, you understand how important it is, we didn’t have time to learn the lesson,” the earpiece didn’t fall silent.
Marvanna erased from the board 2 + 2 = 4 and MOLOKO.
Tomorrow will be the same, but without chalk.
It was May, the eleventh. And the class went to recess.

[Awaz]

there were pluses and minuses in the Soviet school, and therefore it’s not necessary at all ... Among other things, in a modern school, the teaching of mathematics and physics is quite worthy. The only thing that has changed is the approach to education. If earlier teachers tried with all their might to drive knowledge into the heads of the unformed builders of communism, now all this is on the conscience of the children themselves: if someone wants to study, he will, who does not want to, he will become a "herd" ... And with all the shortcomings of the modern system with I strongly agree with this approach. Well, the main problem is the teachers. There are almost no good interesting fanatics, and they pay meagerly for it

[Lara Croft]

Quote: AwaZ

Earlier, teachers tried with all their might to drive knowledge into the heads of the unformed builders of communism, now all this is on the conscience of the children themselves:
The main problem is teachers. There are almost no good interesting fanatics , and they pay meagerly for it

I subscribe to every word...

[evgen1221]

I always believed that the educational system, just like the state’s system and institution, should, as it were, be programmed to program the future of this state — working as a system reproducing a new generation with the necessary personnel for the country in the future.

[serge siberian]

Sores' fosterlings sit in the education system, here is the answer to the question "how is this possible?"

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Anatolyevich

A professional hypocrite of GDP, successfully fulfills the task of his masters,

To listen to you, so all the leaders of the Russian Federation work for some kind of owners, it’s all easier for us to blame for the collapse of Soviet education ... and the first signals began to arrive in the USSR, when it became fashionable, to throw out complex students in the early 90's with a certificate from the 8th grade, I knew those who were thrown out of school, like dogs ...

[beeper]

A good and relevant, and at the same time, alarm article! It is a pity that the post-Soviet processes of education degradation have gone so far.

[Lara Croft]

Bravo United Kingdom! Now we will learn from you about the education system ...

[Tomich3]

In general, the expression "some kakers" belongs to M. Zadornov. The problem is not with the children, but with the teachers. What can a "young specialist" give children, whose salary is 10-12 thousand rubles? No one believes in fairy tales about the high salaries of teachers and doctors, well, except for officials, of course. The article is built on the principle "someone somewhere said something." But I had to, because I don’t want my son to study in Russia, not so long ago I studied a bunch of sites of English schools, colleges and universities. Education in England is fundamentally different from the "Soviet school", starting from the system of knowledge assessment and ending with the very approach to students (for example, free choice of subjects from a certain age). And about free education. Yes, there are free schools there, but they have such a low rating that after graduating from such a school, one can not even dream of entering a prestigious university.

[Greenhouse]

My second cousin (born in 1975), having graduated from Moscow State University in her time. (First, the faculty of the VMK, and a year later - the philological faculty, the Romano-Germanic group) - after working a little in Moscow, having passed the TOEFL, he leaves further to study at NY University, to "applied mathematics". In 2008 she defended herself .. She continued to teach, complaining about how expensive everything is and how to support children (it’s good that her husband is Greek and two children were baptized in Christianity), that both work for wear and tear .. BUT - move to Greece, where her husband is from, or to Moscow - in no case. She says that there is no job of her level, only at NYU. And in Russia, education is "killed" completely and irrevocably, in her words.

[Kawado]

Pay attention to the modern youth. Yes, they take the GIA and the USE, they do not have the necessary knowledge, they do not know how to use them. Recently I found out that my already pretty adult niece, along with her boyfriend, was waiting for her mother to come home to open a tin can for them with a can opener or cut a watermelon. They themselves can not do this!

Ничего подобного.
It’s just that modern parents do not give their children the upbringing that our parents gave us under the USSR, and Soviet reality itself made us think and do. Children in those days sewed up torn soccer balls, and skates sharpened and glued broken skis, and bicycles were repaired, and there were cooked and floors washed ... in general, we did everything, and we did it ourselves.
For nothing was given just like that. To buy a bike, it was not enough to have money, you still had to find it, stand in line, and only someday ...
Another relationship with things was not as consumer as it is now. But now you can introduce the child to simple but useful things in life, you just need to do it.
My daughter knows everything. He doesn’t want to - yes, but at least he knows how ...