The US Army will receive new Javelin FGM-148F ATGM

The company Javelin Joint Venture (JJV), which is a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, received a contract for the production of 2100 models of the new Javelin FGM-148F for the US Department of Defense, the portal reports upi.com. Deliveries must begin in 2020.

The companies announced the signing of a contract on Tuesday, noting that the new “Jevelins” successfully passed the first tests.

Javelin FGM-148F is a new modification of the Javelin FGM-148 and differs from it in a new universal warhead. JJV says the new warhead carries two types of charges: one to destroy dynamic defense tankand the second - to break through the main armor. Also, thanks to the presence of a fragmentation warhead, new missiles are capable of effectively hitting enemy manpower, lightly armored targets and destroying shelters. In addition, the new Javelin has less weight than previous modifications.

The development of Javelin ATGM systems is carried out in several stages. The new version of FGM-148F is the second stage, at the third and fourth stage of development JJV will work on reducing the mass and cost of the complex.

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[Russia]

Now forelocks will spit their forelocks and go to bow, they say we need.

[ser65]

the fingers are already actively slobbering ... minuses clap.

[Russia]

Well, let them gnaw their sadness.

[Jack O'Neill]

The chip Zhavelin was that he beat from above, to the place where there is no dynamic protection.
Now he will be able to overcome armor for dynamic protection.
In Afghanistan, by the way, the old Zhavelins yuzali for the demolition of all kinds of huts.

[Professor]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Now he will be able to overcome armor for dynamic protection.

He was always capable. He always had a leading charge and main charge.
https://topwar.ru/35933-kriticheskie-tehnologicheskie-trudnosti-pri-razrabotke-ptrk-dzhavelin.html

[Jack O'Neill]

He was always capable. He always had a leading charge and main charge.
https://topwar.ru/35933-kriticheskie-tehnologicheskie-trudnosti-pri-razrabotke-ptrk-dzhavelin.html

I thought that one. Thanks for the amendment.

[loki565]

Is there a video of shooting at dynamic targets ??? No matter how many people were looking everywhere they were shooting in a standing tank or building. Maybe with a moving target, not everything is so smooth)))

[Professor]

Quote: loki565

Is there a video of shooting at dynamic targets ??? No matter how many people were looking everywhere they were shooting in a standing tank or building. Maybe with a moving target, not everything is so smooth)))

[loki565]

Well, with the same success, they could at the end show the installation of the bassoon, spike, etc.))) Maybe this is generally a rocket flew from a helicopter. The shot itself + hit, preferably without cuts and glues

[Professor]

Quote: loki565

Well, with the same success, they could at the end show the installation of the bassoon, spike, etc.))) Maybe this is generally a rocket flew from a helicopter. The shot itself + hit, preferably without cuts and glues

Listen to the text behind the scenes and look at the hit.

[loki565]

Yes, I don’t argue, maybe so .... but I would like to see a shot + hit entirely. And such a question. when a rocket flies up does it lose its target? According to the idea, she makes a parabola and the top point again captures the target.

[Professor]

Quote: loki565

Yes, I don’t argue, maybe so .... but I would like to see a shot + hit entirely. And such a question. when a rocket flies up does it lose its target? According to the idea, she makes a parabola and the top point again captures the target.

For whom did I translate articles?
https://topwar.ru/35953-srednyaya-broneboynaya-oruzheynaya-sistema-javelin.html

https://topwar.ru/35933-kriticheskie-tehnologicheskie-trudnosti-pri-razrabotke-ptrk-dzhavelin.html

[loki565]

Soryan did not see))) Like me)))

[Nikolaevich I]

I watched the video without voice acting ... from how joyfully the grenade launcher was greeted, you might think that the "culprit of the event" is him. No video evidence (!) That the "jihadmobile" is struck by the "javelin"! "The image of a" fighter with a "javelin type" is not a fact!

[Professor]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I watched the video without voice acting ... from how joyfully the grenade launcher was greeted, you might think that the "culprit of the event" is him. No video evidence (!) That the "jihadmobile" is struck by the "javelin"! "The image of a" fighter with a "javelin type" is not a fact!

Listen to the text behind the scenes and look at the hit.

[Cowbra]

Only not a javelin is not even close even by the power of the explosion ...

[Yrec]

Hm. The missile is short, but it also has a two-part anti-tank unit, and there is also an anti-tank unit. And what is the flight range? Someone is lying.

[Professor]

Quote: Yrec

Hm. The missile is short, but it also has a two-part anti-tank unit, and there is also an anti-tank unit. And what is the flight range? Someone is lying.

https://topwar.ru/35953-srednyaya-broneboynaya-oruzheynaya-sistema-javelin.html

The smallest firing range: when attacking on a hinged trajectory -150 m; when attacking in a straight path -65 m
Maximum range of effective fire - 2000 m
Flight time - about 4.6 seconds to a distance of 1000 meters; 14.5 seconds to 2000 meters

Now beats on 4,750 m.

[Alexey-74]

In any case, the weapons are good, and our designers just need to consider Javlin to protect MBT and not only.

[Опытный]

Quote: Alexey-74

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It is useless to consider. Tanks are all. Bye. A high-energy cannon, shells, thick armor, and requirements for a tank, namely, do not allow creating a tank that is immediately resistant to all threats. Javelin is the last straw, or rather a bucket.
The idea of ​​modern tanks is differential protection. Even if you strengthen the upper hemisphere, Javelin will begin to fly from the stern. Or finally hit the bottom.
The future is for armored vehicles, of less mass, without a gun of this caliber.

[loki565]

Do not despair))) The future is behind active protection, which will cover the upper hemisphere of the tank

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Quote: loki565

Do not despair))) The future is behind active protection, which will cover the upper hemisphere of the tank

for starters, at least the usual would be adopted. We do not even have the usual KAZ.
And KAZ is not an option in the upper hemisphere:
- Javelin will begin to maneuver in front of the target
- will issue false targets
- will suppress radar
- what else thread
And in general, the idea of ​​KAZ has not been tested sufficiently. Losses of their foot soldiers will grow by orders of magnitude. It’ll be scary to approach the tank.

[loki565]

Will produce false targets, suppress radar ??? then such a Javelin will definitely cost more than a tank))) this one is not even on the ARM cruise missile - anti-radiation missile. And as for the KAZs not particularly tested, this is to the professor, there the KAZs are probably the most changed in the combat situation.

[Опытный]

Quote: loki565

Will produce false targets, suppress radar ??? then such a Javelin will definitely cost more than a tank))) this one is not even on the ARM cruise missile - anti-radiation missile. And as for the KAZs not particularly tested, this is to the professor, there the KAZs are probably the most changed in the combat situation.

You are comparing what cannot be compared:
- it is necessary to suppress the radar from a distance of 50-100 meters and for a split second. A powder generator to help.
- as false targets, it’s enough to shoot several pistol bullets, even without a barrel, in the direction of the target when approaching.

KAZ in Israel - against the Papuans, in limited, controlled special operations. Tanks with KAZ practically exclude joint use with infantry.

[loki565]

Powder generator to help. ??? So how is it??? in my opinion you confuse the radar with an optical or thermal GOS. The pistol bullet will have the same light as a meter projectile ???
Yes, and the Papuans have modern anti-tank systems up to the cornets, and maybe they already have

Tanks with KAZ practically exclude joint use with infantry.

Well, don’t need infantry in the battle for the tank to run. this is the last century. Yes, and for the infantry it will end so badly.

[Опытный]

Quote: loki565

The pistol bullet will have the same light as that of

- take a bullet of 0,45 ACP, shove a couple of grams of explosive mixed with iron filings into it. When undermining, the illumination will be the same as that of Javelin.

"Before starting the starting engine, the on-board power source - an alternator - is also started. It is started by electric ignition. Because this generator runs on a powder cartridge. The gunpowder burns, gases are released that turn the turbine generator. The result is 250 watts of power and a complex speed control circuit ( and the turbine makes about 18 thousand rpm). The powder checker burns at a speed of 5 mm per second and burns out completely after 14 seconds (which is not surprising) "- this is about Igla MANPADS. Here, half a second will be enough and the distance to the radar is minimal.

UV sensors can also be clogged with false small targets.
In general, KAZ can be confused easily and its ammunition is not infinite.

Quote: loki565

Well, don’t need infantry in the battle for the tank to run. this is the last century. Yes, and for the infantry it will end so badly.

- Didn’t you command the entry of tanks into Grozny for an hour?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: loki565

no need for infantry in the battle for the tank to run. this is the last century.

I agree with you! I was always surprised when they "stick out", as a disadvantage, a "recommendation" that it is not desirable for the infantrymen to have a tank equipped with a KAZ ... well, straightforward, "war and the Germans"!

Quote: loki565

A powder generator to help.

But projects of anti-tank missiles (for example, two-stage ...) designed to overcome the defense of KAZ are available!

[tlauicol]

Why such difficulties? Impact core - and the matter is in the hat. ATGM will hit the core from afar

[BeloMor]

- Javelin will begin to maneuver in front of the target
- will issue false targets
- will suppress radar

And a black company for carrying divine javelin

[Kotofeich]

Lope is such a thing?

[Professor]

Quote: Kotofeich

https://topwar.ru/35953-srednyaya-broneboynaya-oruzheynaya-sistema-javelin.html

https://topwar.ru/35953-srednyaya-broneboynaya-oruzheynaya-sistema-javelin.html
Command start block (CPB) M98A1
Weight— 6.42 kg, including battery, carrying bag and cleaning kit
Dimensions (LxWxH) —348.2x499.1x338.8 mm
The multiplicity of day sight - 4X
Field of view day sight - 4.80 ° x6.40 °
The multiplicity of night sight with a wide field of view - 4.2X
Wide Range Night Sight - 4,58 ° x 6,11 °
The multiplicity of night sight with a narrow field of view - 9.2X
Field of view night sight - 2.00 ° x 3.00 ° (approximately)
Battery type - Lithium Sulfur Dioxide (LiSO2) BA-5590 / U, disposable
Battery life - 4 hours at temperatures below 49 ° C; 3 hours ranging from 10 ° C to 49 ° C; 1 hour at a temperature of from –49 ° С to 10 ° С; 0.5 hours at temperatures above 49 ° C
Battery weight - 1.0 kg
Price - $ 126000 (2002 g.)

Rocket in the transport and launch container and power supply and cooling unit
Weight— kgnumx
Length - 1209 mm
Diameter with a plug - 298.5 mm
Internal diameter - 140.2 mm
The smallest firing range: when attacking on a hinged trajectory -150 m; when attacking in a straight path -65 m
Maximum range of effective fire - 2000 m
Flight time - about 4.6 seconds to a distance of 1000 meters; 14.5 seconds to 2000 meters
The guidance system is infrared, "shot-forget"
Price - $ 78000 (2002 g.)

[Elephant]

Javelin is quite effective and highly technological product, not for shooting at sparrows. It is worth the money, given the cost of destroying goals!

[Operator]

"Javelin" is a very strange ATGM: now inertial navigation systems and video cameras with technology for recognizing human faces (faces, Karl, and not counted on the fingers of BTT types) have shrunk to the size of smartphones, and the FGM-148F weighed +20 kg and cost +250000 bucks as of 2018, so everything just gets fat and more expensive.

And this is in the presence of various KAZ / SAZ, zeroing out subsonic ATGMs from the word at all.

Has the next drank a budget?

[Vadim237]

KAZ against missiles hitting the roof - not a single army is armed with it.

[Operator]

Counter-ammunition KAZ "Arena" does not care about the direction of approach of the attacking ammunition. SAZ "Trophy" really has a similar problem in the form of a dead funnel with an opening angle of 100 degrees.

But "Trophy" seems to be equipped exclusively with Israeli armored vehicles and it is planned to equip NATO armored vehicles - are Javelins really oriented towards the destruction of this equipment?

[Professor]

Quote: Vadim237

KAZ against missiles hitting the roof - not a single army is armed with it.

[Vadim237]

At your presentation there is not a single interception of a rocket flying into the roof.

[Professor]

Quote: Vadim237

At your presentation there is not a single interception of a rocket flying into the roof.

There is a sphere covering the equipment from above. There are also statements by Raphael. There are tests by the Americans and their decision to adopt them.

[loki565]

I drank a budget especially does not bother when your printing press is working around the clock and prints as much as you need))) And then you can allies make an offer that they can’t refuse, such as F35

[Опытный]

Quote: Operator

"Javelin" is a very strange ATGM: now inertial navigation systems and video cameras with technology for recognizing human faces (faces, Karl, and not counted on the fingers of BTT types) have shrunk to the size of smartphones, and the FGM-148F weighed +20 kg and cost +250000 bucks as of 2018, so everything just gets fat and more expensive.

And this is in the presence of various KAZ / SAZ, zeroing out subsonic ATGMs from the word at all.

Has the next drank a budget?

- a strange thing ... something we have no analogue of Javelin, is not expected. Although it would seem, in your opinion, buy door eyes and make rockets half a kilogram in weight.)))

[Operator]

For starters, we have the 152mm 2A83 and the supersonic Hermes.

But you are right about something else - today everyone can rivet a homing, attacking from the upper hemisphere ATGM from "Fagot" and a smartphone for one-tenth the price of "Javelin".

It is even easier to compose a cheap penny grenade, such as the RPG-7, with an even more penny electronic gyroscope, which is part of some smartphones, to ensure the flight of the grenade strictly along the calculated trajectory (including the hinged one), regardless of aiming errors and wind drift.

[loki565]

RPG-7 is not controlled, it does not have rudders per se

[Operator]

Actually RPG-7 is nothing more than a launcher, the set of which includes many types of rocket-propelled grenades, why not add one more to them with a set of self-government equipment from a household UAV (without a radio receiver, of course) and power steering wheels.

[Elephant]

Quote: Operator

For starters, we have the 152mm 2A83 and the supersonic Hermes.

But these are stationary products, you cannot equip a motorized infantry sitting in a trench with them!

[Operator]

We are talking about the means of VET, overcoming KAZ / SAZ.

[horlet]

Although I am a former T 72 tanker, with two hands for the ATGM! Saving money and people! With focal conduct of hostilities, small groups, and he has no price! Of course, if there is a regiment in the offensive, and even better a division with support for artillery, aviation and infantry, it does not have many chances, but in a modern war it is unlikely to be, since the losses will be big! And I am surprised that we do not have this !!!!!

[Voyager]

Why is it bad? At a cost 10 times less than javelin

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Quote: Voyager

Why is it bad? At a cost 10 times less than javelin

I will revise your question - why is the T-34 worse than the T-90 ??? And 10 times cheaper ...

[Voyager]

Your example is disproportionate. Between the cornet and the javelin, there is no such fundamental difference in efficiency and development years. Yes, the complexes formally differ in the notorious generations, but when compared, each both strengths and weaknesses.

[Опытный]

Quote: Voyager

Your example is disproportionate. Between the cornet and the javelin, there is no such fundamental difference in efficiency and development years. Yes, the complexes formally differ in the notorious generations, but when compared, each both strengths and weaknesses.

- passive homing. Do you compare control by a laser beam ??? And you say that "there are sides"? Well, yes, a station prostitute is cheaper than meeting on the street and taking a normal woman to a restaurant. But even for free, even for money - you don't need a railway station. Because the functionality does not work. :) And it would seem - almost do not differ.

[Voyager]

Can a javelin operator change the route of a missile on the move? How realistic is the use of a javelin in a wooded area or in an urban environment, given the complex flight path of the rocket? The GOS was ahead of me about the cooling time and was told below. These are just some of the limitation questions. In other words, there are conditions where a javelin, unlike a cornet, may not cope. There are conditions on the contrary. And there are conditions where both will hit and destroy the target with equal success, but for completely different money (it is reasonable to assume that the one that is cheaper will turn out to be a more optimal choice). So a "normal woman", one has only to get to know better, may well turn out to be an expensively dressed prostitute, but in essence is no better than a railway station :)

I can only agree with what is desirable be able to apply Javelin technology in our complex and be able to use it. But I repeat once again, the benefits of javelin do not make the cornet a bad ATGM.

[loki565]

Well, the main advantage of a javelin is that he shot and forgot. no need to lead the rocket to the target, plus hitting the target from above where the armor is less. CONS is the price, NVD cooling time is from 2.5 to 3.5 minutes. —GOS cooling time is about 10 seconds. and again, there are misses on a moving target, so they demonstrate a defeat of a stationary object during trials and in commercials.

[Voyager]

to destroy the dynamic protection of the tank, and the second - to break through the main armor.

What about active defenses like afghanit?

[Rabioso]

The article is not about anything.

[APASUS]

JJV will work to reduce the weight and cost of the complex.

What nonsense! Show me cheap american weapons?

[Опытный]

Quote: APASUS

JJV will work to reduce the weight and cost of the complex.

What nonsense! Show me cheap american weapons?

- You basically do not understand the ideology of the United States. The destroyers Arly Burke are cheaper than our destroyers. Because it is built an order of magnitude larger. And an order of magnitude cheaper to maintain.
And so in everything - they strive to do massively and this totally reduces the price.
And compare the F-35 current prices with the Su-35. And the cost of ownership, for the entire life cycle. Consider the resource.
And by the way - American pistols and rifles are cheaper than European ones.))) And rich countries do not need Kalash.

[loki565]

And compare the F-35 current prices with the Su-35. And the cost of ownership, for the entire life cycle. Consider the resource.

imagine SU35 anyway cheaper and by a lot. like everything else. The ideology is different there, the printing press is working there, plus they will force them to buy their weapons, their own vassals for NATO. One Turkey with S400 is worth what noise they raised that they don’t want to buy American products. They are even trying to impose sanctions on India.

[horlet]

It is necessary to consider energy costs, and people can work for soldering if necessary! Hours of operation, the weight of materials and their quantity, the speed of production and production is the price criterion, not the Papers, which they, the United States, are printing, tons, unlike our wooden ones!

[Voyager]

Quote: Experienced

And an order of magnitude cheaper to maintain.

Where does the data come from?

[APASUS]

Quote: Experienced

. The destroyers Arly Burke are cheaper than our destroyers. Because it is built an order of magnitude larger. And an order of magnitude cheaper to maintain.

Can this be confirmed by numbers, and not just words? It is clear that a series of ships is cheaper, but the order of prices still plays a role in such a ship.

As a result, on April 5, 1985, the contract for the construction of the first ship of the Ι series was won by the Bath Iron Works shipyard. The contract was concluded in the amount of $ 321,9 million, and the total cost of the first-born destroyer with weapons was $ 1,1 billion (in 1983 prices)

Quote: Experienced

And so in everything - they strive to do massively and this totally reduces the price.

How many M-16s do not tell me? Say the price of this masterpiece or find yourself

Quote: Experienced

And compare the F-35 current prices with the Su-35.

Again, I want specifics, this is what the Chinese write:

in 2015, Russia and China signed a contract for the supply of 24 Su-35S fighters in the amount of $ 2,5 billion. To date, Russia has already delivered 14 Su-35S aircraft to China, the remaining 10 fighters will be delivered during this year. If you count on the amount prescribed in the contract, then on average one fighter costs our country more than 104 million dollars. The American F-35A stealth fighter as standard costs about $ 94,5 million. Thus, on average, the price of one Su-35 aircraft is higher than the American F-35 by $ 10 million.

As I understand it, you are focused on this nonsense?
When comparing prices in this way, one should not forget that the standard equipment F-35A and the Su-35C contract are taken, where there are already 4 engines in stock for the heap of options. No one in the world concludes such uncomfortable contracts. There is one engine for all contracts with the aircraft .But there with the Chinese we surpassed ourselves.

Quote: Experienced

And by the way - American pistols and rifles are cheaper than European ones.

It depends on what to compare, which category

Quote: Experienced

) But Kalash rich countries do not need.

Judging by the numbers, nobody needs him at all ...................... Over 60 years, more than 70 million Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications were produced. They are in service with 50 foreign armies

Quote: Experienced

And the cost of ownership, for the entire life cycle. Consider the resource.

Yes, Americans do some engines very well and their resource is quite serious. But I wouldn’t risk comparing the prices anyway. There is too much variation in everything. For example, there was an option for Pakistan, the F-16 at a cost of 17 mil $ for only 2 aircraft. You will never buy such new aircraft at such a price. Israel generally receives weapons for nothing. Service contracts differ dramatically from country to country. This is for Americans
And our managers, prices are taken from the ceiling !!! Look how they twist the hands of the Indians, the fact that they are breaking prices does not mean that it costs so much