The officers of the 41 Army began rearmament from the PM to the Rooks

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The officer corps of the 41 second armored army of the Central Military District, stationed in Siberia, began to use the Yarygin pistol “PYa Grach”. This is the press service of the district.

The officers of the 41 Army began rearmament from the PM to the Rooks




According to the information provided by the press service, the officers for the first time received an armament as a personal weapons Attacks and defenses of Yarygin’s “Grach” pistols instead of Makarov’s “PM” pistols, adopted as early as 1951. Prior to that, in the district, as a experiment, a special forces brigade was re-equipped with Yarygin's pistols, while army officers receive these weapons for the first time. At the initial stage of rearmament, it is planned to transfer a hundred units of Grach pistols to the 41 army.

The gun of Yarygin "Grach" is a semi-automatic self-loading pistol made in Russia. Developed by a team of designers under the leadership of V. A. Yarygin, mass production mastered at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant. Automation works according to the use of recoil in the short course of the trunk. Used for shooting cartridge caliber 9X19 mm, magazine capacity - 18 cartridges. Double action fuse that allows you to equally use the gun to both right-handers and left-handers. There is an attachment for a rifle tactical flashlight.

Weapon length: 190 mm, Barrel length: 114 mm, Weapon height: 140 mm, Weapon width: 38 mm, Weight without ammunition: 950 g

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  1. -21
    31 January 2019 10: 51
    Great news!!!
    We are working little by little, the news is positive one after another!
    We need to establish sales for export, I think an excellent potential that allows us to tear most of the market and improve the welfare of our fellow citizens!
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    2. -11
      31 January 2019 11: 01
      Please explain to me what PM doesn’t like? I understand that it’s a little outdated .. but is rearmament justified? The funds go to the joint stock company .. although the state has a controlling stake, but who will receive 99% of the profit? - private investors !!!
      1. -4
        31 January 2019 11: 17
        Quote: Minus
        but who will get 99% of the profit? - private investors !!!

        Well, what's the difference to you who gets what ????
        private investors are no longer citizens of Russia ???
        1. +28
          31 January 2019 11: 28
          Not happy ... All profits from the sale of weapons should be sent back to the military-industrial complex! At new R&D, at least the locksmiths' prizes ... But not at all to the owners of factories, parades ...
          1. -1
            31 January 2019 11: 34
            Quote: Minus
            All profits from the sale of weapons should be directed back to the military-industrial complex!

            and why? they also pay taxes on which the military-industrial complex exists
            For new R&D, for locksmiths awards, in the end ..

            Do you think that they are sitting there without a salary?
            But not at all to the owners of plants, parades ...

            They are CITIZENS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
            Worse than you
            1. +4
              31 January 2019 11: 52
              * they are CITIZENS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
              Worse than you * n you correctly said, no worse than me ... Better .... Robbed 99% of the population and became new nobles .... And we are so stinky ... And how they do not like those times .. Many of them say so - during the time of the scoop .... Yes, everything was then. And they broke ... And even the millionaires were. I remember how the director of the Pechersk Timber Depot borrowed money to pay the timber depot from a radiologist doctor in the hospital, where my mother was the head doctor .... He had a checkbook for one and a half million rubles !!! How???? Sam was a drunk ... but before that he worked in the camps ....
              1. +2
                31 January 2019 12: 01
                Quote: Minus
                Robbed 99% of the population and became new nobles ...

                it robbed you ????
                what was stolen from you ????????


                I remember how the director of the Pechersk Timber Depot borrowed money to pay the timber depot from a radiologist doctor in the hospital, where my mother was the head doctor .... He had a checkbook for one and a half million rubles !!! How???? The drunk himself was a complete drunk ..

                judge one by one ????
                I will not be like you and tell you about the directors of alcoholics and tyrants from the "red"
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                  2. 0
                    31 January 2019 22: 02
                    Quote: UMA-UMA
                    The famous kremletrol came with the same pictures. Tell me, what did iPhones give out to everyone for nothing? Robbed and in full - without creating the conditions for a strong economy, depriving people of decent salaries, did not fulfill one of the promises, for example 25 million. Jobs, do not remember? Is corruption not robbery? In your opinion, the Kremlin is an effective management, yeah.

                    Only here in my Crimea every second buzzing has a brand new machine and iPhone laughing
                    Tyayaazhko live Naroduuu Yes
                    1. +5
                      31 January 2019 23: 49
                      You tell this to someone who has not been to Crimea. I was this year too. Fleet there: traditionally motley trash of 50%, 30% of the average rolling-in of a foreign car, 15% new and short term, 5% luxury. And no need to fill here.
                2. +5
                  31 January 2019 13: 05
                  As my friend and fellow student says, We live in poverty! Wife's car has nowhere to put! The whole yard is clogged! ,, :-)
                  1. +6
                    31 January 2019 13: 16
                    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                    , We live in poverty! Wife's car has nowhere to put! The whole yard is clogged! ,, :-)

                    Exactly! I really could not imagine that these "minds with minuses" and in the subject of joining the PYA troops would whine that they were the most injured and victims! But the guys are talented ... They probably walk around on March 8 with tear-stained faces and a sign on their chest - "I DO NOT GIVE IT"!
                    1. +5
                      31 January 2019 13: 24
                      Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                      I really could not imagine that these "minds with minuses" and in the subject of joining the PYA troops would whine that they were the most injured and victims!

                      I don’t understand, in the army the officers will think about where and who makes these pistols? request
                      or they will find out and I will refuse them en masse
                      1. +4
                        31 January 2019 20: 16
                        And who will give them to refuse? And yes, they have already set their teeth on edge about the "poor quality of the PY", the problems of the PY have been fixed long ago
                      2. 0
                        2 February 2019 07: 46
                        Nifiga was not fixed, as Mr. G. was, but remained! Again, why are they switching to PY if they plan to transfer everyone in the future to PL or Boa constrictor ?!
                    2. +6
                      31 January 2019 14: 08
                      ,, they don’t give me ,,
                      Yeah .. How to celebrate February 23rd - that's all. And as in the draft board on the call to go, so the disease appears. From mom's skirt, do not tear.
                      1. +4
                        31 January 2019 14: 20
                        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                        they don’t give me
                        Yeah .. How to celebrate February 23rd - that's all. And as in the draft board on the call to go, so the disease appears. From mother’s skirt, do not tear

                        Well, now a new excuse has appeared - I don't want to defend the "oligarchic regime of satraps strangling freedom!" You look, who and what of these rebels are writing in this thread ?! Such nonsense ... But confidently!
                      2. +2
                        31 January 2019 14: 45
                        ,, but sure! ,,
                        I agree with you .... Similar people, were part of the Vlasov army.
                      3. +2
                        31 January 2019 19: 20
                        Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
                        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                        they don’t give me
                        Yeah .. How to celebrate February 23rd - that's all. And as in the draft board on the call to go, so the disease appears. From mother’s skirt, do not tear

                        Well, now a new excuse has appeared - I don't want to defend the "oligarchic regime of satraps strangling freedom!" You look, who and what of these rebels are writing in this thread ?! Such nonsense ... But confidently!

                        So I’m definitely for the Putin regime in particular and for the capitalists in general I will not fight. Well, quote what nonsense I wrote here? But you just scammed here pretty much (in particular, as quoted by me).
                      4. +4
                        31 January 2019 20: 50
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        So I’m definitely for the Putin regime in particular and for the capitalists in general I will not fight

                        They will kill the Russian people, and you look at it ???
                        Putin is not Russia yet
                        and the oath is not given to the president, but to the people
                      5. 0
                        31 January 2019 23: 58
                        Aha! Widower, why is there something on the forum? In the DNI and LC 4 years of Russian kill. Did you not know? Go volunteers!
                      6. +1
                        1 February 2019 07: 38
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        So I’m definitely for the Putin regime in particular and for the capitalists in general I will not fight.

                        Where will you go ... The need will come - a district militia officer with a couple of gloomy fighters from the commandant's company will come, bring him to the recruiting station, at the same time bringing him to his location and showing a chipped brick wall. They will give you trousers from "glass" and a jacket from "wood", on top of a cap of the second term and show you where to stand while waiting for the "merchant".
                        Well, this is if you are not out of 404 now write.
                      7. +1
                        2 February 2019 08: 23
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        So I’m definitely for the Putin regime in particular and for the capitalists in general I will not fight

                        Putin was chosen by the people, however. The minority is obliged to obey the majority. It seems that DEMOCRACY is talking about this? If you do not want to fight for Russia, bring down our enemies from the country, they are "waiting" for you.
                    3. -1
                      31 January 2019 23: 52
                      Yes, I do not care about the cons and mediocre trolling of Kremlin boats laughing I’m carrying the truth, as it were, to the masses in the form of facts, while you are at work, work further and plus each other’s agitation.
                  2. +6
                    31 January 2019 13: 22
                    before 2-3 cars in the whole yard, now in almost every family and not one
                    1. -2
                      31 January 2019 13: 39
                      Well?! Correctly! So they also need to dispossess ... Do not you understand! People with their machines generally cause them sharp class hatred. In general, who are you arguing with? Send them away especially in the subject of entry into the army PY! This, by the way, is also not pleasant for them - the Mauser is on the side of the leather jacket much more familiar!
                      1. +1
                        31 January 2019 13: 56
                        Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                        This, by the way, is also not pleasant for them - the Mauser is on the side of the leather jacket much more familiar!

                        and rob someone who is richer
                3. +5
                  31 January 2019 13: 53
                  What was stolen? For example, how did OAO PTZ, a former Kirovets employee, become a private shop with most of the shares in the hands of one family? How do they privatize it? Have you invested your vouchers successfully?)
                  1. -2
                    31 January 2019 13: 58
                    Quote: My4there
                    For example, as JSC "PTZ" -

                    was he your property?
                    - the former "kirovets" became a private shop with most stocks in the hands of one family?

                    when he was state, did you even have ONE share ????
                    1. +3
                      31 January 2019 15: 17
                      After the revolution, he was state property. In the 90s it became private property. By what method? I am 30 years old when I was a child as a child. I have never had any of his shares
                      1. -4
                        31 January 2019 15: 22
                        Quote: My4there
                        I am 30 years old when I was a child as a child.

                        from this place in more detail laughing
                        at 30 years old and a child? belay
                        I have never had any of his shares

                        so how robbed ???
                        what hasn’t happened before, what isn’t now
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                      3. -2
                        31 January 2019 15: 37
                        Quote: My4there
                        Tell me, how was the class of the haves created on the basis of Soviet identical citizens?

                        So do you still believe that we were all equal? belay
                        I will reveal a little secret. the first cooperatives opened Komsomol and party leaders. it was the starting capital
                      4. 0
                        31 January 2019 15: 41
                        Then we must honestly admit and call a spade a spade. To privatize an apartment or a house - to earn, but privatized the plant - stole!
                      5. -2
                        31 January 2019 15: 42
                        Quote: My4there
                        and call a spade a spade.

                        I call.
                        they privatized enterprises
                    2. 0
                      31 January 2019 19: 31
                      Quote: widower
                      Quote: My4there
                      For example, as JSC "PTZ" -

                      was he your property?
                      - the former "kirovets" became a private shop with most stocks in the hands of one family?

                      when he was state, did you even have ONE share ????

                      There were many state-owned enterprises in the joint-stock union? How old are you and what education? It seems that the student is writing.
                      1. -2
                        31 January 2019 20: 36
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        There were many state-owned enterprises in the joint-stock union? How old are you and what education? It seems that the student writes

                        Generally nebylo and do not whine that the shares did not go !!!!
                    3. -1
                      31 January 2019 20: 38
                      There were no shares, but there was social justice and direct democracy.
                      1. 0
                        31 January 2019 20: 54
                        Quote: Campanella
                        There were no shares, but there was social justice

                        yeahhhh ????? laughing
                        and a member of the party could not be attracted to the criminal. Communists weren’t even taken to the detoxification center laughing
                        and you saw the secretary of the secretaries of the regional and city committees lived ?????
                        under communism. and we only promised it !!!!!!
                      2. 0
                        1 February 2019 21: 34
                        Where did you live on the moon? Yes, the Tskovskys lived well, but the difference was not great. Now the abyss. Are you really living well now? You didn’t answer me last time, did you buy your own apartment? Or did the state give you?
                4. 0
                  31 January 2019 20: 36
                  Robbed, robbed and you know it perfectly. No need to build an idiot out of yourself!
                  1. -1
                    31 January 2019 20: 55
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Robbed, robbed and you know it perfectly.

                    no one robbed me. what was then remains !!!!!!
                    1. 0
                      1 February 2019 21: 39
                      And where did you divide the voucher?
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            3. +3
              31 January 2019 16: 35
              Worse than you

              Yes you!? What do you!?
              Much better!
              The best people of the country!
              Only now they pay much less. From dividends, only 13% (and until 2016, it was 9% in general!), And from salary all 43%! Do you feel the difference? In addition, a locksmith will go home to buy sausages of local production for his salary, and the "Best Man" will buy a Swiss watch or a German car (and this, in the best case, will most often just take it directly abroad).
              1. 0
                31 January 2019 16: 40
                Quote from vvnab
                Feel the difference?

                feel the difference that Swiss watches and German cars go to "Hurray"
                therefore they have such salaries
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                  1. -3
                    31 January 2019 16: 44
                    Quote from vvnab
                    Russian military and missile technology is also going with a bang, only the teams that produce them, the last *** without salt, eat up!

                    Do not lie!!!!!!
                    the defense industry is now paying very well !!!!
                2. +1
                  31 January 2019 20: 44
                  What do you work with? What do you produce? Apparently what no one will buy. Moreover, it is clear that you are a theorist and have not built anything in your life with your own hands. There is nothing behind your texts!
                  1. 0
                    31 January 2019 20: 57
                    Quote: Campanella
                    What do you work with? What do you produce?

                    I `m a pensioner
                    you are a theoretician and haven’t built anything with your own hands in life.

                    worked all his life as an electrician
                    Behind your texts is emptiness!

                    this is behind your emptiness !!!!! "How good it used to be and how bad it is now" !!!!
                    1. +1
                      31 January 2019 21: 04
                      Is the defense industry well paid? Where did you get this? Money is being poured in, but this does not mean that it reaches its destination.
                      Are you scolding the Soviet government? Have you bought your own apartment? Have your capitalists built factories, hydroelectric power plants and other things? Traders!
          2. 0
            31 January 2019 14: 48
            Profit is not what you mean! Investments in the authorized capital implies the receipt of dividends on shares. Dividends are determined by the Board of Directors, it also determines the capital, from the profit, directed to the development of production. If there was no "interest" of shareholders, there would be no money for the development of production. And just the same, if all the profit went to the development of production, and not to social services, payment for services, taxes, dividends, the result would be deplorable ... No.
      2. +4
        31 January 2019 11: 45
        PM is out of date yet God knows when. ALL European and not only European armies are armed with modern pistols.
        If we proceed from your logic: "Investors will receive 99% of the profit" Don't wear the army AT ALL: the garment industry is ALL in private hands
        1. +1
          31 January 2019 12: 52
          Quote: vladcub
          dress: all clothing industry in private hands

          With sewing, everything is fine, but with fashion designers and the acceptance committee, trouble! All-Russian State Unitary Enterprise Guard of the Rosguard in Crimea in the summer of 2018 in the Crimea were given soft blue t-shirts, and the Rosguards were very shy to wear them ...
      3. +1
        31 January 2019 12: 49
        A small store, no accuracy and lethal force, a pen in his hand sits like a dog on a fence.
      4. 0
        31 January 2019 20: 15
        so here is the reality of large numbers: if you don’t start purchasing now, then it will be too late, and about 30 were delivered in 000 years, they will do 2 each year and will gradually be updated, and yes, Izhevsky belongs to Rostec
    3. +10
      31 January 2019 11: 01
      Everything new is well forgotten old.
    4. +1
      31 January 2019 11: 03
      I would like to hold it in my hands. smile Yes, and it would not hurt to try. hi
      1. 0
        31 January 2019 11: 36
        Many sports clubs (dashes) have these pistols, you can go there and shoot from it (unless of course you have such dashes). There is also a civilian version of the gun for traumatism.
        1. 0
          31 January 2019 15: 37
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          have these guns

          No, "Viking" is a spoiled PY, not worth comparing.
          1. 0
            31 January 2019 15: 55
            It’s not bad to shoot a spoiled gun. And how can one be compared if the Viking was remade from ПЯ ?????
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          3. +1
            1 February 2019 21: 03
            how it is spoiled ... just a barrel resource many times lower ... for civilians (for a shooting gallery) enough))
          4. +1
            1 February 2019 21: 09
            I shot a little from "Viking" "((in a shooting range (in general, for the first time from a combat one)). Normally a pistol. I run out of cartridges ... the barrel is in the palm, and the handle can be easily waved away ..))))
    5. 0
      31 January 2019 11: 03
      Quote: Experienced
      We need to establish sales for export, I think an excellent potential that allows us to tear most of the market and improve the welfare of our fellow citizens!

      And when did an increase in exports improve the well-being of our citizens? Is that a separate category ...
      1. +10
        31 January 2019 11: 28
        Quote: helmi8
        And when did an increase in exports improve the well-being of our citizens? Is that a separate category ...

        Do not be so pessimistic. Any order, let alone a large one, is a factory load, workplaces, etc. Another thing is how managers deal with this money. If they invest in production, in technology, in development - excellent. And if in yachts, SUVs and in lovers - ... (without comments).
        1. +1
          31 January 2019 11: 47
          Quote: Kurare
          Any order, let alone a large one, is a factory load, workplaces, etc. Another thing is how managers deal with this money. If they invest in production, in technology, in development - excellent. And if in yachts, SUVs and lovers - ... (without comments)

          I’m about this. And for some reason, if it is invested in production, it is much less than in the pocket of managers ...
    6. +10
      31 January 2019 11: 09
      In March 2003, adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
      Since December 2005 is an award weapon.
      In September 2006, it was adopted by the Russian prosecutor’s office as a weapon for the personal protection of prosecutors and investigators.
      On October 9, 2008, the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs announced the transition from a Makarov pistol to a Yarygin pistol as a standard weapon.
      In October 2009, it was adopted by the Federal Bailiff Service.
      As of August 2012, some have entered the arsenal of internal troops. A certain amount is available in the special departments “Thunder” of the Federal Drug Control Service of the Russian Federation.
    7. -1
      31 January 2019 11: 19
      what's great about this ??? Modify PM make it more convenient or why Rook does not eat 9x18?
      The pistol is nothing but heavy. The frame is made of normal polyamide. The store has more than 12 rounds of ammunition to charge the problem. If you decided the issue with the quality of assembly and manufacturing, then where didn’t it go, and so there were complaints about the wedge and stores that did not have interchangeability. In short, the officers also need to issue files, for revision ... Then the latest news on the Boa constrictor - did they go crazy? how will the ammunition be distributed in three different types?
    8. +1
      31 January 2019 11: 46
      Great news!!!
      We are working little by little, the news is positive one after another!

      Who pluses this troll?
      You go in his comments!
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        0
        31 January 2019 12: 32
        Yes, the same professional peppy ...
    9. 0
      31 January 2019 15: 29
      Quote: Experienced
      Great news!!!

      =======
      I DON'T UNDERSTAND something! .... So what kind of gun of the RF Armed Forces will be "rearmed" for ????
    10. 0
      1 February 2019 01: 11
      laughing tell me honestly you write your comas to make people laugh? Yes, and they took klikuhu Experienced laughing
  2. +3
    31 January 2019 10: 55
    It has long been something modern to equip.
  3. +3
    31 January 2019 11: 03
    But what about the new "Boa constrictor"?
    https://tass.ru/obschestvo/6036903

    The self-loading pistol "Udav" developed by TsNIITOCHMASH is a completely domestic development and is assembled from Russian components. The new pistol complex has passed state tests and is recommended for adoption.

    The TASS material reveals the history of the development of a new pistol. In particular, the continuity of the special powerful cartridge 9x21 mm, originally developed for the SR-1 "Gyurza" pistol, is traced. He was once offered to participate in the "Rook" competition for a single pistol for law enforcement agencies, but did not achieve success.

    The main feature of the review is that for the first time a comparative analysis of the new Russian pistol with the best foreign analogues was carried out. So, for example, "Boa constrictor" is compared with the Austrian Glock 17 Gen4 and the new American army M17 pistol. Thanks to the more powerful cartridge, the "Boa" outperforms both foreign models in firepower.

    TASS was also the first to obtain detailed tactical and technical characteristics of the new product. They are summarized in an infographic convenient for the reader. All material is illustrated with official photographs and video tests of the pre-production sample in high resolution.

    Another advantage of the new pistol will be the variety of its modifications. As previously reported in Rostec, three modifications are being prepared for production: for the army, special forces and the civilian market, and the latter will also be produced in export versions. The state corporation expects that due to its characteristics, the "Boa" will compete with such eminent counterparts as Colt, Browning and the already mentioned Glock.
    1. +4
      31 January 2019 11: 30
      Quote: Cympak
      But what about the new "Boa constrictor"?

      And still
      GSH-18

      Swift

      Viper

      PL-14
      1. +1
        31 January 2019 13: 17
        Swift failed miserably with the test, was not accepted into service. And it was a long time ago.
        1. +1
          31 January 2019 19: 15
          Quote: rait
          Swift failed miserably

          Do you think Yarygin did not fail?
          1. +1
            31 January 2019 20: 49
            In a combat situation with a similar gun. Can immediately shoot yourself? The adversary, as our ancestors said, will not bother
    2. +1
      31 January 2019 12: 24
      And what is his cartridge? Luger Parabelum 9x19?
      1. +2
        31 January 2019 12: 49
        Quote: Okolotochny
        And what is his cartridge? Luger Parabelum 9x19?

        ... that’s exactly what it is that bothers me. Well, 9x18 PM is outdated and does not meet the requirements of the army - it needs to be changed. 9x19 Para - the most common pistol cartridge in the world. Good, but also with insufficient power. And here, it seems, the Moscow Defense Ministry nevertheless decided to switch to 9x21. Powerful, up-to-date, and ours, Russian!

        With the "Rook" it turns out some kind of leapfrog. Three different cartridges in the army? Shaw, again on the same rake?
  4. +3
    31 January 2019 11: 03
    Of course, the PM must be changed, because he ceased to meet today's requirements. I remember my first officer with the year of graduation coinciding with the year of birth 1954. So already 2019 is in the yard.
  5. +4
    31 January 2019 11: 05
    I talked with the Sergiev Posad OMON in the spring of 2016, they are not delighted with the "Yarygin" there is a problem with the shops .... maybe they have already fixed it, of course
    1. +2
      31 January 2019 11: 23
      Yarygin has a two-row store. It very often happens that the potrones shut up against each other and do not feed into the potronik. And so the gun is not bad.
    2. 0
      31 January 2019 12: 04
      Ulanov said that the button is not convenient - it touched a little and the store fell out ...
    3. -1
      1 February 2019 21: 17
      And they didn’t inform you of the year of release ....
  6. +7
    31 January 2019 11: 06
    Not a bad gun. The recoil is significantly softer than when firing from the PM. Another thing that drew attention to the fact that the gun easily returns to the line of sight. The trigger stroke is smoother and without failure. The accuracy for the experienced shooter will be about the same as that of the PM.
  7. -3
    31 January 2019 11: 06
    Izhevsk Plant-As of the end of the first half of 2015, 100% of the shares of Izhevsk Mechanical Plant JSC belong to Rostec state corporation.

    In June 2015, the Rostec Supervisory Board approved the sale of 51% of the shares to Andrey Bokarev, Iskandar Makhmudov and Alexei Krivoruchko. The transaction should be closed in the first quarter of 2016.
  8. -2
    31 January 2019 11: 08
    VPK enterprises must be owned and controlled by the state !!! am
  9. -1
    31 January 2019 11: 09
    PM is a great gun, perhaps the best for everyday wear, but the cartridge and design are out of date! The trend today is 9/19 and glokoobraznye! I do not understand for the sake of fashion rearm? Do we have a lot of money?
    1. +5
      31 January 2019 11: 26
      Yarygin is more adapted for high-speed shooting and has an increased makazin capacity. This is not an unimportant thing. Can use high power cartridges. The gun uses advanced cartridges 9x19 parabellum which is superior to both domestic 9x18 and NATO. This provides high penetration and stopping power.
  10. 0
    31 January 2019 11: 17
    In the security services, he has long been armed with a hammer as heavy as the first batches, and the Lebedev pistol, in my opinion, will be better
    1. +2
      31 January 2019 12: 17
      Let there be a submarine. What is the problem? This is competition, this is choice and development. The gun is often called the weapon of last chance when it comes to army units. I never agreed with that. A good pistol in experienced hands may not leave a chance for several enemies armed with machine guns. PU equipped with 18 rounds with an armor-piercing bullet with a steel core protruding from the shell is just such a gun.
  11. -6
    31 January 2019 11: 19
    Interesting for what minus? For expressing your opinion? I would like a justification! And your minuses do not care for me !!!
  12. +1
    31 January 2019 11: 28
    Have to speak about PY! Izhevsk is at my side, about 45 minutes away. Many friends worked at IzhMekh, so their words are a file, a file and a file again !!! And the guys in Izhevsk OMON responded exclusively abusively!
    1. 0
      31 January 2019 11: 39
      Really would be good would not do to replace the pl and boa constrictor.
    2. +2
      31 January 2019 12: 22
      Quote: burigaz2010
      Have to speak about PY! Izhevsk is at my side, about 45 minutes away. Many friends worked at IzhMekh, so their words are a file, a file and a file again !!! And the guys in Izhevsk OMON responded exclusively abusively!

      Probably you and your friends discussed this topic 4 years ago. Then it was still possible to talk about what you said, and even then it was not engineering, but production problems.
  13. -7
    31 January 2019 11: 35
    Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
    Yarygin is more adapted for high-speed shooting and has an increased makazin capacity. This is not an unimportant thing. Can use high power cartridges. The gun uses advanced cartridges 9x19 parabellum which is superior to both domestic 9x18 and NATO. This provides high penetration and stopping power.

    Cheslav, what the hell is a gun for officers? Shoot like that and the PM will come down, and better a grenade, as he already has Kalashnikov’s weapon, but as a symbol and sign of the commander, yes!
    1. +4
      31 January 2019 11: 59
      Quote: burigaz2010
      jeslav but what the hell is a gun for officers? Shoot it and PM will come down

      Michael, how are you? How are you feeling? Is everything all right at work, nothing bothers? You should rest ...
      1. 0
        31 January 2019 19: 33
        Quote: Galleon
        Quote: burigaz2010
        jeslav but what the hell is a gun for officers? Shoot it and PM will come down
        Michael, how are you? How are you feeling? Is everything all right at work, nothing bothers? You should rest ...

        Comrade Galleon, as they say Schaub, you lived like that! After the night was unable to answer. I look here my favorite carbine appeared, this is how much energy a person constantly bans him and he is right there!
        1. 0
          1 February 2019 09: 12
          Michael, carbine what is it? hi
    2. +3
      31 January 2019 13: 24
      Quote: burigaz2010
      Cheslav, what the hell is a gun for officers? Shoot like that and the PM will come down, and better a grenade, as he already has Kalashnikov’s weapon, but as a symbol and sign of the commander, yes!

      For shooting if such a nuisance happens, one cartridge is enough. I will not miss. PU with 2 clips of 36 rounds. 1-in the barrel 37! There is something to meet the end of life with dignity.
      1. +2
        31 January 2019 21: 29
        "One cartridge is enough. I will not miss." You know, to miss oneself - I cannot afford what one should be. Aim at yourself, but hit Uncle Vasya. However, sometimes there are misfires. I was told that the day after Mayakovsky's funeral, by the way, with his suicide, there is a lot of turbidity, a woman committed suicide at his grave. They say that her revolver gave 5 misfires (!) And only the sixth shot.
        1. +1
          31 January 2019 22: 23
          That it was LOVE! He was not indifferent to Lilia Brick. By the way, she could "shoot himself" him.
  14. +1
    31 January 2019 11: 52
    Let’s better at the St. Petersburg riot police to take an interest in what kind of gun. Except as a piece of go --- and they don’t talk about it anymore. At first, the officers went with him, and after going to firing and competition they again switched to Makarov. Very bad trunk.
  15. 0
    31 January 2019 11: 56
    As our instructor in shooting and special training said, learn to shoot from pm, you will shoot from any system.
  16. -3
    31 January 2019 12: 08
    Okay .. I wrote a lot above ... Why is one pm, another fifth, third something else? Unification is the key to successful use! Why not .45? And again, 9 mm? And .45 is better, judging by the statements ... The question is, what is an army pistol and why is it needed? Why and to whom? Only officers are arming them, right? And if the officer needed a gun, it means that the unit entrusted to him was destroyed or unable to protect him ... That's it! Fight Lost! And even the Jedi sword and blaster will not help him .... An officer’s gun is not a weapon on the battlefield, but a symbol like a dagger for naval officers ..... It will not help ....
  17. +2
    31 January 2019 12: 10
    More recently, there was the opportunity to shoot (thanks to my son), just PM and PY. The last time a weapon was generally held in hands in October 1999. First PM. Well, he’s like a native, or something)) The descent is softer. PY tossed more, but the accuracy was higher, the distance of 15m., A series of 5 shots. The cartridges in the outfitted store somehow all fit into the warp. In general, the impressions are pleasant, the PM is more thoroughly in the hand. But this is the opinion of an amateur. I can’t run with him anymore, do not comply with the standards and do not deal with disassembly, cleaning, lubrication) I liked it so much.
  18. -2
    31 January 2019 13: 10
    Well, the party is tiny again. Need a large series. I hope that in a couple of years large purchases will begin.
  19. -3
    31 January 2019 13: 23
    At the initial stage of rearmament is planned transfer to the 41st army one hundred guns "Rook".

    100 pistols that are not there yet, but the news is already there.
  20. 0
    31 January 2019 13: 40
    a couple of inadequate flood the whole topic, specifically do?
  21. +4
    31 January 2019 14: 20
    I have already begun to get confused on the question of what all the same chose MO. Either Lebedev, then Yarygin, then Boa ... It is clear that Makar needs to be changed, but still, what is the result?
    1. +1
      31 January 2019 15: 57
      Indeed, all you hear is "a new pistol to replace the PM!" Already the PL-15 (15K) and, now, some kind of "Boa constrictor" .... And what is the result? So most of the officers with PMs and go! Here they sent 100 PYa (!!!!) to the army !!!!
  22. +5
    31 January 2019 15: 54
    Calling Yarygin's pistol "Rook" is wrong! "Grach" is the theme for the development of pistols Yarygin (PYa), Serdyukov (SPS), Gryazev-Shipunov (GSH-18) and Makarov (PMM). These pistols are united by THEME, but they are completely different products, each with its own name! PYa, SPS, GSh-18 and PMM.
  23. +1
    31 January 2019 16: 35
    But have you already solved the problem with the store? Or let it drift?
  24. +1
    31 January 2019 18: 33
    They hurried it!
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  26. +1
    31 January 2019 18: 46
    The author has a mistake: PYa has a 19x21 "gyurza" caliber, and a 9x19 "Luger" caliber is used by EVERYONE except us.
    I had a doubt, in the Ministry of Defense they didn’t hit their heads: “they began rearmament from PM to Rooks, but what about publications that instead of Yarygin they plan to use a submarine or something else? they will be given the submarine, where is the logic? I had to talk to the former infantrymen (he served in the late 50s) .. I thought that the PM was mastered quickly, but he said: the officers got used to the "makar" after the "turner" for about 2 years. Now they will give "rook", and in a year or two, PL Where is the logic?
  27. +2
    31 January 2019 20: 08
    Quote: senima56
    Calling Yarygin's pistol "Rook" is wrong! "Grach" is the theme for the development of pistols Yarygin (PYa), Serdyukov (SPS), Gryazev-Shipunov (GSH-18) and Makarov (PMM). These pistols are united by THEME, but they are completely different products, each with its own name! PYa, SPS, GSh-18 and PMM.

    Plus you, too, did not have time to notice! And as for the shooting, the battle distance for the pistol is 10-15m! So it will be 9/18 9/19 9/21 no difference! It all depends on the type of bullet!
  28. -2
    31 January 2019 20: 16
    What are we arguing about? The army commander (units, divisions, regiment ...), for some reason, liked PY bully , all officers are armed with PY. Like another - there will be another (PL, SPS, GSh-18, PK (Kozlova) ...). The question is different - what kind of cartridge do we have in service? No jokes - they will bring them to the unit, the cartridges of the wrong system to the front - there will be no time for jokes.
    1. +2
      31 January 2019 20: 32
      Since when does the "commander of an army (unit, division, regiment ...)" choose what to arm the officers with ?!
  29. -2
    31 January 2019 20: 25
    Quote: A.SH
    Quote: UMA-UMA
    Why is he a policeman then? Did you work with him? Great car for the army. And with armor-piercing vapsche hurricane.

    Learn the performance characteristics of PM and army pistols of the countries of the world. The norm of DE army pistol in caliber 9mm 550 J (+/-).
    At PM she is 303 J. Hurricane, damn it.

    Like, the whole world is eating "Bush's legs" and you are eating? What do the pistols of "countries of the world" have to do with it? We need a pistol that is light, compact, reliable, simple and cheap - we are talking about the army, not about those who like to shoot. We have it. PM. I was completely satisfied.
    1. +3
      31 January 2019 21: 09
      That year, we sat in line at the clinic. I talked to one guy. I was in the mountain rifle in Afghanistan. He says the Makar is good for generals and parades, but a different pistol is needed to fight
      1. 0
        2 February 2019 10: 54
        To fight in Afghanistan, you need Kalashnikov, or a Mosin carbine for the worst, Makarov up to 25 meters is a terrible thing for the enemy. Nevertheless, Makarov is a weapon of self-defense of a policeman or citizens !!!
        1. 0
          2 February 2019 16: 58
          For some reason, a gloomy joke circulated among the military officers: "It is convenient only to shoot from the PM". Didn't they know that: "Makarov up to 25 meters is a terrible thing for the enemy"? And I agree that Kalashnikov is needed for the fight. From the guys who passed both Chechens, I heard that ALL officers wore a Kalash, and who could get themselves: "TT", "GSh", "Gyurzu", and aerobatics were imported under the "Luger"
    2. 0
      1 February 2019 00: 32
      Ahh, well, if you were satisfied - there is no market, then MO then PM leaves.
  30. 0
    1 February 2019 17: 50
    Great news, we’re rearming, we’re not standing still; the Moscow region is working; the country is happy. Go Russia
  31. 0
    2 February 2019 10: 48
    The main thing about this gun is not to cut your fingers, I already have experience, I was very upset !!! The quality of PM is higher !!!
  32. 0
    2 February 2019 16: 44
    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: A.SH
    Quote: UMA-UMA
    Why is he a policeman then? Did you work with him? Great car for the army. And with armor-piercing vapsche hurricane.

    Learn the performance characteristics of PM and army pistols of the countries of the world. The norm of DE army pistol in caliber 9mm 550 J (+/-).
    At PM she is 303 J. Hurricane, damn it.

    Like, the whole world is eating "Bush's legs" and you are eating? What do the pistols of "countries of the world" have to do with it? We need a pistol that is light, compact, reliable, simple and cheap - we are talking about the army, not about those who like to shoot. We have it. PM. I was completely satisfied.

    And why ALL self-respecting armies switched to multi-shot pistols. Apparently, they do not know what PM is needed?