Shoigu told about the delivery dates of the first serial Tu-160M with NK-32-2

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu today, while on a visit to the Republic of Tatarstan, discussed the development of the Aerospace Forces. In particular, Shoigu noted the importance of work on bringing the serviceability of weapons, military and special equipment to regulatory requirements.

A separate topic of discussion was the program for entering the modernized strategic Tu-160M strategic bomber into the Russian Aerospace Forces. According to the country's defense minister, the first serial strategist of the Tu-160M should go to the troops in 2021. It is noted that the work on the modernization of strategic bombers is carried out in accordance with the schedule. This is, in fact, an important clarification, especially if we consider that many programs for creating new equipment or upgrading existing ones are often delayed in terms of implementation. I would like to hope that the modernization program of the Tu-160M will not follow the described path.

The Minister of Defense noted that the upgraded bomber is equipped with the latest defense complex, communication system. Also on the Tu-160M installed engines NK-32 second series (NK-32-2).

These engines can significantly increase the radius of application. Engine developer is SNTK them. N. D. Kuznetsova.

Comments

[210ox]

It’s good that the Soviet backlog was saved .. A similar engine from scratch would be done extremely long now.

[siberalt]

Well, for whom did Shoigu tell this? Who needs it, so they knew. Including our "partners".

[Troll]

Set yourself as a lieutenant for Shoigu and begin to give him advice: What and to whom he can be told, and what and to whom not.

[siberalt]

You even have a grammatical mistake in the Russian word "lieutenant", but you should be advised a lot. The lieutenant is not an adviser, but an executor of orders, dear "tovaristchsch".

[Troll]

Well, you see, you have already taught me, it remains to get a job at Shoigu

[hydrox]

Quote: siberalt

Well, for whom did Shoigu say this?

Here the point is different: the wave of information with which Shoigu pours his "damned partners" only leads to the fact that they are overwhelmed by a feeling of confusion :: they see that the Russians are now doing what they already work well (remember their tantrums about hypersound :: first giggles and bullying, then a blow to the brain by the Unit and the strongest despondency). Poseidon also requires attention and a global tracking system. It is necessary to somehow counteract the S-400, S-500 - and how, with what, what else did these Russians stuck there, what we don't know yet - and if we don't know, then from which side to come!?!
And gradually, step by step, the Americans begin to understand their backwardness - after all, they don’t have a Tu-160M ​​class strategist (just as there is no X-101, 102!). They also do not have Yars and Sineva, but they were able to modernize the ancient rusty Tridents - and there is already not enough strength on the Minutmen!
So after all, besides that, they don’t have so many good brains to cover everything that the Russians are doing and what should be counteracted, but how and with what!?.
This, after all, as the Americans used to give us SDI, we had all our ANs on our ears for a year, until it came to understand that the Americans had divorced us as schoolchildren. But it was there that in the brainstorming sessions and detachment workshops on discussions of the principles of SDI and possible methods of counteraction, the foundations were laid of what allows Russia to keep our defense system in good shape and put customers in long-term queues.
And if all this weren’t under the control of NOT the state, but the Ave (against which the liberoids are so fiercely opposed!), Then ALL would have been sold out for a long time and the request (oops!) Ano in the West ...

[maximum 8]

In the article on the delivery dates of NK-32-02, not a word. This engine will also help to remotorize the An-124. Based on its technologies, the NK-23D is made with a 24-ton draft.

[IL-18]

Quote: maximum 8

will help to remotorize An-124

Rather, the Tu-144

[maximum 8]

There is no An-124. NK-23D fuel economy will be at the level of D-18T.

[Vadim237]

They put a similar one on Tu 144 - they consumed fuel from tanks because of this and refused it, they had to make a combination - a conventional fan jet engine, plus ramjet on a kerosene + oxygen couple - liquefied, take-off on jet engines - a supersonic flight on ramjet, one a ton of kerosene costs 56000 rubles, one cubic meter of liquid oxygen costs 9000 rubles — fuel consumption would be 50% less than that of the Tu 144, and more than three times less in fuel cost.

[Genry]

Quote: Vadim237

they needed to make a combination - a conventional fan jet engine, plus ramjet on a kerosene + oxygen pair - liquefied, take-off on jet engines - a supersonic flight on a ramjet,

I do not quite understand why you need liquefied oxygen for ramjet ..... Well, all right ... And carry extra engines and even oxygen tanks. And how good it is to increase accident rate, and how much more people will burn in an oxygen cocktail.

Quote: Vadim237

fuel consumption is 50% less than that of the Tu 144 would be, and the cost of fuel is more than three times less.

With what fright you will decrease consumption.
Turbojet engines, with the desired bypass ratio, for supersonic, have greater efficiency than direct-flow, and especially rocket.

[Aibolit]

Quote: Genry

I do not quite understand why you need liquefied oxygen for ramjet.

[Vadim237]

Well, firstly, no one has ever used a ramjet in civil aviation, and the consumption is reduced because air flow and kerosene with oxygen in a proportion of 50, 30 and 20 will be mixed in the ramjet chamber, oxygen is needed for a more efficient "price work" of the engine associated with a decrease in volume consumed kerosene, the fuel consumption is half that of the turbojet engine that stood on the Tu 144 - which burned a large amount of kerosene per unit volume of air - the more air-fuel mixture you enter into the combustion chamber per unit of time, the more engine power, in a ramjet, unlike everyone else has a significant advantage in this regard and, most importantly, it is simple in design and operation and, accordingly, the weight of the carried fuel is less, for comparison, the turbofan NK 32 2 costs 1,5 billion rubles, and the ramjet engine 50 million. And about the explosiveness of liquefied oxygen - it is the same like kerosene.

[Genry]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, in the first ramjet in civil aviation, no one has yet used

Because ramjet has advantages above 2M. But it is still impossible to build civilian aircraft at such a speed - nobody is interested because of the sheer cost.

Quote: Vadim237

and the flow rate decreases because in the ramjet chamber air flow and kerosene with oxygen will be mixed in the proportions of 50, 30 and 20,

Do you think that in a turbojet engine the fuel does not completely burn out and therefore the addition of oxygen will help him? But I’m grieving you, in ramjet the burning time within its combustion chamber is much less, therefore it’s more unburned and no oxygen will help. It is necessary to increase the pressure and, accordingly, the temperature, which will increase the efficiency of the Carnot cycle and reduce the combustion time. But there are problems with the temperature, since they have not yet invented new tricks for working materials at temperatures and pressures above the yield threshold, but they have not really learned how to use force fields to hold plasma and it will be completely uninteresting to cost.
And most importantly, power is proportional to the heat (heat output) and you can’t save fuel in any case with much worse efficiency.

Quote: Vadim237

fuel consumption is half that of the turbofan that stood on the Tu 144 - which burned a large amount of kerosene per unit volume of air

Where did you measure it?
The air / fuel ratio has already been debugged by practice.
And in general - the question is left-wing and does not solve the issue of power and efficiency.

Quote: Vadim237

the more air-fuel mixture you enter the combustion chamber per unit time, the greater the engine power

To do this, you stupidly need to raise the pressure and temperature, and this is now at the limit of the materials of the combustion chamber.

Quote: Vadim237

in contrast to all others, ramjet ramps have a significant advantage in this regard, and most importantly, it is simple in design and operation and, accordingly, the mass of lugged fuel is less,

In your case, you also came up with oxygen equipment, which will be more complicated than the ramjet itself. You already forgot about the mass of cylinders and transported oxygen. Lost a thought?

Quote: Vadim237

for comparison, turbofan engines NK 32 2 costs 1,5 billion rubles, and ramjet 50 million.

Yes Yes. Because of their cheapness, stupid little people don’t make them, but grandmas stupidly saw on expensive turbojets. Are you from this planet or have you flown?

Quote: Vadim237

And about the explosiveness of liquefied oxygen - it is the same as that of kerosene.

In fact, oxygen is just an oxidizing agent and it alone cannot explode - it needs fuel. And this fuel can be some metals (aluminum, titanium, ...) or organics (humans).
Under pressure, in an oxygen environment, many substances begin to burn without any arson. The conditions for a chemical oxidation reaction are simply realized. And at atmospheric pressure (gas welders are very respected) they ignite with an explosion of oil and ..... Ie when there is an oxygen leak, within the plane, you will always find a substance that ignites itself and starts the combustion of everything else.

[Genry]

I want to add that I discuss oxygen on the points of discussion and not because I consider it necessary.

[novel66]

infinitely long ....

[alexng]

Duc, during this time they will modernize existing ones in the ranks.

[antivirus]

another nice little thing

[Zhelezyakin]

I will add. Nobody in the world designs a jet engine from scratch. The experience of previous research and generations is always taken as a basis, because it is impossible to design a taxiway with competitive characteristics from scratch ...

[ANCIENT]

It seems like a passenger plane will soon be built on the basis of it. ..

[Errr]

This is unlikely, - the GDP said about the possible civilian version of the Tu-160 without thinking. If only in a single copy for the President of the Russian Federation ... And even then it is unlikely - there is very little space for the passenger compartment.

[ANCIENT]

Errr, so no one dared say a word against such an airplane! So, anything is possible in our country. ..

[Errr]

Can't you understand Russia with your mind?

[Vkd dvk]

Yes. And even more so if it is not.

[210ox]

Here the main question is the economic feasibility of such an aircraft for transportation.

[You Vlad]

Quote: 210ox

Here the main question is the economic feasibility of such an aircraft for transportation.

The conversation was about corporate use! And they have money, but no time But I also think it’s not real, it’s too expensive

[Vadim237]

If the combined engine will use a turbojet engine + ramjet engine - why not - the problem of the big voracity of the Tu 144 was its NK 144 with an afterburner.

[lev1759]

- very little space for the passenger compartment.

The estimated price of a ticket for this pepelats will be in the range of 150 thousand rubles. This means that not ordinary mortals will fly on it. And therefore, a large number of passenger seats are useless ...

[maximum 8]

Not a good idea, to be honest. Spraying resources. Why now do an analogue of Concord?

[Piramidon]

Quote: ANCIENT

It seems like a passenger plane will soon be built on the basis of it. ..

Aeroflot will go with him around the world. Estimate how much kerosene the Tu-160 eats.

[Vadim237]

That's why the turbojet engine + ramjet engine on a supersonic aircraft will be more efficient in terms of fuel consumption and operation, since the turbofan engine is a very expensive and complex unit.

[Mountain shooter]

Normal engine ... The economy will increase, I think. And with the range of our "strategist" 10% - this is a thousand and a half kilometers

[Alex-333]

Well done.
What about this?
"The first image of a supersonic passenger liner based on the Tu-160"
I thought they were joking, remembering the beam of the plane. But no.
To the readers' judgment. I am not an Elephant and I am not strong.
http://in24.org/technology/35020?utm_source=finobzor.ru

[Sergei 777]

Strange, but on the Tu-160 this picture looks a little

[Observer2014]

Sergei 777 (Doctor know)

Strange, but on the Tu-160 this picture looks a little

Indeed. Well. And in what place is "on the basis of Tu 160?" Are the rivets the same?

[Alex-333]

What is .. But more int question dvig. Now I don’t know, but after previous flights to Vienna. They knocked out a resource and received nothing from the factory. And here is also the passenger option. ..

[Aibolit]

Quote: Sergey 777

Strange, but on the Tu-160 this picture looks a little

business something (picture)

[Aibolit]

Quote: Alex-333

I thought they were joking, remembering the beam of the plane. But no.

Vadim Pavlovich Lukashevich is still that "expert"

more...
In 2000 he graduated from the Higher School of Economics.
From 1998 to 2005 - assistant to a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
Since 2011 - Member of the Party of People's Freedom (ParNaS).
Since 2012 - Member of the Russian Republican Party - People’s Freedom Party (RPR-ParNaS)
Since 2013 - Member of the Federal Political Council of the RPR-ParNaS Party, Secretary of the Moscow Regional Party Organization.
2011 to 2015 worked as an independent expert of the space cluster of the Skolkovo Foundation.

As aviation expert Vadim Lukashevich told the BBC, who in the past worked as a designer at the Sukhoi"

when did he "have time"?
====================
The passage between the "salons" (rear and front arms compartment) can be realized

[Alex-333]

Everything is possible. But why? This is not "Concorde", it doesn’t fly constantly on sv.zvuk. Meaning?. In general, Tupolev sometimes had interesting quirks. I remember VNPK-154, which was stuck into the Tu-142 MK. The citizens refused it (capricious and inaccurate), but the military did not ask. We started teaching VNPK in 1978. So here, stick your own. The same story happened with the Be-200 and Tu-142 MZ in Taganrog. Who ate whom
Well this is a different story.
The photo shows a titanium beam. And how to make a passage in it, I do not know. This is a power element.

[Vadim237]

There will be no supersonic passenger airliner at the Tu 160 base - an 18 billion rubles plane too expensive.

[Alex-333]

Hmm ... The conclusion suggests itself - "Cut".
But in an improved version.
Faced (for a long time) Tupolevsky pulled a blanket over himself, while having funding for his factories, research institutes, allies and bonuses in the form of state awards and stars. BUT! Providing a dead but working sample. Along the way, he grabbed the RSL, weapons, digital computers and avionics. I'm about the Tu-142. And this is also research institutes and factories from the Navy.
Now phaseSample removed, (a tale about donkey and padishah) and allocated funds are scattered among interested people.
It's not about the result, but it's about the fat idea, for which they will give. Well, the presence of people in the Kremlin, to blow into the ears of the Supreme- "This is a breakthrough ... kapets america" ​​and so on.
CUT.
I am also looking forward to the result for Poseidon and Vanguard. The mechanism is the same.

[Aibolit]

Quote: Alex-333

Everything is possible. But why?

This is not a comm ... it’s to the Supreme (and his entourage) ... although the need for passenger air transport, of course there is, it’s not for nothing
by noise
NASA is QueSST
JAXA is D-SEND-2
======
EADS = ZEHST
Airbus = Concorde-2
Aernnova + Spike Aerospace = S-512 (though this is a business jet)
Aerion = AS2 (though this is a business jet)
even startup Boom Technologies

Quote: Alex-333

This is not a "Concorde", it doesn’t fly constantly on sv.zvuk.

This is due to range and mode.
Hi-lo-hi

Record average speed on a closed route of 2000 km with a take-off mass of 275.000 kg - 1675 km / h

The maximum cruising speed is 1,5 M.

Quote: Alex-333

The photo shows a titanium beam. And how to make a passage in it, I do not know.

can

the same principle: solid rod and tube.
with the SU-57 they decided to skew ...

[Alex-777]

when did he "have time"?
And he, together with Ivanov, Serdyukov, Rogozin and Shoigu, studied in the same group. And Vasilyeva was "on the parcels".

[dgonni]

Great news! Only 160M by the time production begins in 2021 will lag behind the 6th generation airplanes that plan to start producing mattresses in the same years. for 2 generations. And he simply will not have a place in the sky. You can scare what kind of bandustan’s thread, but an airplane with such visibility simply won’t survive in the realities of the 30s of this century.

[Russia]

This missile carrier will launch missiles towards the enemy over your summer house.

[dgonni]

Perhaps, but then he will not reach a single rocket!

[Russia]

Quote: dgonni

Perhaps, but then he will not reach a single rocket!

The X-101 missile, range 5500km, is still on the approach of a product more than this in range, that is, performing a combat mission without entering the detection and destruction zone by air defense systems.

[dgonni]

You did not understand anything in the promise! In strategic terms, that 160 of the last century and in fact poses no threat to the main enemy!

[Russia]

Well, I don’t know, my friend, what else to add, let it be “the last century”, but it will strike at the enemy with the enthusiasm of the past and present centuries.

[Sarmat Sanych]

dgonni, seriously "will not reach"? The new version of the X-101 hits 8000 km, and the X-102 is even bigger. The sky above your house is useless, just take off from Engels. And the Indians never had, and after half a century, nothing comparable to this powerful rocket carrier of the planet would appear. Neither in terms of parameters, nor even more so in terms of weapons, all that Matrasia will have is the same B-52 of Stalin-Khrushchev times and a barely flying fake-stealth hat B-2 / B-21 with the risk of a corkscrew and speed like a tortoise, threatening rockets with maximum range shameful 1 thousand km.

[Megamarcel]

And why at a range of 8000 km do you need a plane at all? You can make PU on a car chassis. For the acceleration section, use a resettable accelerator, and then the rocket flies by itself. So why with such a range of aircraft?

[Oml]

Quote: Rusland

This missile carrier will launch missiles towards the enemy over your summer house.

He has a summer house in Ukraine - far away.

[Vkd dvk]

From the drawings of the designer will lag behind. Amer s and his dough have been brewing their 35 years. Replace the B-52 are not aware. This is because you are not in the general staff of the most democrats

[dgonni]

Pure recommendation, read Amer’s instructions on the use of B-52. May you see clearly! Smash Bandustans? So yes! There is no way to work in the air defense zone of a normal country!

[maximum 8]

Now the task of any aviation is to operate missiles without entering the air defense zone. What aircraft can now operate in the air defense zone of a normal country?

[Alf]

Quote: maximum 8

Which aircraft can now operate in the air defense zone of a normal country?

If only this one.

[dgonni]

B-2, f - 22 is your cap! But our MO will not tell you this! In the Far East they can hang around as they want and do what they want.

[maximum 8]

Who told you such nonsense? Argument. So why don't they hang around and don't do what they want, if they can? We've read a lot of tales about "stealth". Some old garbage was shot down in Yugoslavia back in-2. And don't say that the missile hit by accident. This does not happen. The F-22 is no better than the F-35, which is perfectly visible on radar, as even the US military themselves say. That's why they began to design the 6th generation aircraft. All the rest is unsubstantiated speculation, which is exactly what your statements are.

[GibSoN]

B-2 still in Yugoslavia shot down some old garbage

Judging by the number of pluses (3 for 1 against at the time of the post) in the commentary, it leads to not very pleasant thoughts about the degradation of the public at VO.

[Aibolit]

Quote: GibSoN

to not the most pleasant thoughts about the degradation of the public at VO.

+
parts (!) of the public, to be more precise

[Paranoid50]

Quote: dgonni

Work in the air defense zone of a normal country

Kamikaze ended more than 70 years ago.

[Vkd dvk]

Have you read the instructions? And How? Impressed with power and modernity? Then what is the cry for our obsolescence and backwardness from? Everything is relative.

[maximum 8]

First of all, if the rider flies closer to the 2030.6 generation? So you mean the 6th generation fighter? Then what does the Tu-160M2 strategic bomber and the 6th generation fighter have to do with it? Why compare different things?

[maximum 8]

If we are talking about an American fighter of the 6th generation, then it plans to release it at best without shifting to the right, which is unlikely in the early 2030s.

[Alf]

Quote: dgonni

by the time production starts in 2021, it will lag behind the 6th generation airplanes which the mattresses plan to start producing in the same year.

They would have brought the fifth generation "to mind", and not "to the handle." How many 35 have already been released, but he, the female dog, still does not want to fly normally. And two years before 2021, the sixth generation of the Yusovites will design, build, bring and launch the series? Well, well, as a child, I also believed in fairy tales. Moreover, now the Soviet progressive methods of accelerating work, which are expressed in the concentration of designers in special protected places, are not used.

[irazum]

"These motors can significantly increase the range of application" And this is how much?

[rayruav]

how cool the new engine car is very good

[Alf]

Quote: rayruav

how cool is the new engine

Yes, yes, it’s only on Kuznetsovo that such a collapse is happening now that I don’t know whether we will hand over these P2 or find objective reasons again.

[Alf]

Quote: Alf

Yes, yes, it’s only on Kuznetsovo that such a collapse is happening now that I don’t know whether we will hand over these P2 or find objective reasons again.

The minusator believes that everything is normal on Kuznetsovo, is work in full swing? I ask for proof in the studio!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alf

The minusator believes that everything is normal on Kuznetsovo, is work in full swing?

And by the way, did they even remove the crane? And they are silent with PD. Some underground around.

[Alf]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Alf

The minusator believes that everything is normal on Kuznetsovo, is work in full swing?

And by the way, did they even remove the crane? And they are silent with PD. Some underground around.

Actually, I’m talking about PJSC Kuznetsov, the manufacturer of the NK-32, on which I have been sailing for 15 years.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alf

Actually, I'm talking about PJSC Kuznetsov

I apologize, I thought about the cruiser.

[Alf]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Alf

Actually, I'm talking about PJSC Kuznetsov

I apologize, I thought about the cruiser.

[bubalik]

Dmitry Igorevich promised that everything will be fine, money will help

"It all depends on the team"

but at this time the pipe tears, half of the city without heating and in the snow ,, balaboly, they all

[Anchonsha]

This is just wonderful that we decided to keep this strategist and even modernized. They will serve us 40 years, if not more. There are no analogues in the world.

[Spiridonovich2]

It is good when senior officials make forecasts. But no one is responsible for the timing. Budget money, as usual, sawed and that’s it. We no longer recall T-50 aircraft, Armat tanks, Vostochny spaceport, destroyers, aircraft carriers, and much more. In order to create something fast and the best in the world, the leader of the country must be the new genius Joseph Vissarionovich.

[egor egor]

No need to tell when and where what will go to the troops, it is necessary to deliver it to the troops and show ready-made products

[Alf]

Quote: egor egor

No need to tell when and where what will go to the troops, it is necessary to deliver it to the troops and show ready-made products

So what is in the way? Maybe the lack of skilled workers, machines, materials and MONEY to pay for all this?

[Mijas]

Dear readers, for a discussion of this topic, well, at least someone drew attention to the CRAFTS of the room in which the product was photographed (high-tech engine)! and the trolley on which it is placed. And this all reflects the reality and state of both the military-industrial complex as a whole and the state of the armed forces. The wrapper is beautiful, but .......

[D16]

Shashechki you or go? The wrapper is just plain ugly.

[maximum 8]

So this photo is still Soviet-style. Put what they found on the Internet. The new engine looks a little different, more modern.

[Alexey-74]

This is very good news, the Tu-160 M is a real threat from heaven for any enemy.