Why were needed Stalinist repression

In order for Russia and the people to survive, to preserve the Russian civilization, there was only one way - the transition of the civilization matrix-code into the national project. When civilization and national tasks coincide with the project of development, which offers the elite. The peculiarity of the Russian civilization is that when the civilization matrix disagrees with the actions of the elite, a civilizational sociopolitical catastrophe occurs - a distemper. So it was in the beginning of the XVI century and at the beginning of the XX century, with the 1917 disaster of the year.

For the sustainable development of Russia, it was necessary to shift the fundamental, basic principles, values ​​and ideals into real politics, the principles of economic management and everyday life. That is, it was necessary to materialize a new reality, the world of fairy tales. The Russian ideal of being - Bright (Holy) Russia, the City of Kitezh. The Russian dream was to become the basis of world reality, to give all mankind an alternative to the slave, bestial world, which was built by the Western "architects-masons". What defined history humanity for centuries to come.

To cope with this unprecedented task, which has no examples in history, the Soviet leader needed to solve several key problems. First of all, to approve the project of creating a new world, a future solar civilization (world order). And for this it was necessary to break the back of internal and external enemies, all opponents of the transformation of Russia into the civilization of the future.

A new world has just begun to be created, it was to materialize, become a full-fledged, strengthened and go on the offensive. Before that, it was impossible to give the old world on the basis of an unfair concept of living arrangement (slavery and all its forms, including capitalism) to suppress the new, to emasculate its essence, to make it its specific part, like false communism based on Marxism and Trotskyism. The Soviet (red) project during the most brutal Civil War was able to win over the White project on the basis of the Western development matrix. The victory of the Bolsheviks forced the great Western powers to temporarily abandon plans for the division and development of land and resources of the Russian civilization, to withdraw the occupation troops.

However, until the complete victory in 1920 - the beginning of 1930-s was still far away. External and internal threat determined the policy of the Kremlin. The old world tried with all its might to bury the new Soviet civilization. In Europe, aggressive, authoritarian, Nazi and fascist regimes, aimed at war with Soviet Russia, quickly matured. In the East, militaristic Japan led an offensive policy. And in Russia itself, a significant part of society still resisted the onset of a new era. There was a powerful "fifth column" in the country - Ukrainian and Baltic nationalists, Central Asian Basmachi, gangsters and nationalists in the Caucasus and Crimea, conspirators in the Red Army, Trotskyists and representatives of the "Lenin Guard" who seized power and who wanted to become the new elite of Russia, while on old grounds (power and wealth). It was necessary to break the philistine and kulak psychology of the townsfolk, the inhabitants of cities and villages. To create a new Soviet person, creator and creator, teacher and honest worker, warrior and philosopher, striving for the stars.

The Red Emperor was perfectly aware of all this. It was obvious that a new world war was brewing. The First World War did not resolve all contradictions, created new ones. The second stage of the crisis of capitalism began. The masters of the West set their sights on finishing off, dismembering and plundering Russia-USSR. Thereby extend its parasitic existence. The bestial law of the West - die you today, and I tomorrow; man wolf man The West is a vampire world that exists at the expense of killing, cannibalism, the resources and energy of other nations, countries, cultures and civilizations. The wolfish law of Western predators and strangers - to beat the backward and weak, rob and live at someone else's expense. You are backward, you are weak, although you can have a thousand-year history and culture, like India or China, it means that you are wrong, you can be beaten, enslaved and robbed. The strong West fears.

Therefore, Russia-USSR should have become strong, become a single monolith, without pests, parasites and traitors. Only a single, powerful Soviet civilization could stand in the face of Western and Eastern predators. To repel them, to keep the core, the center of a new, solar civilization. The societies of the future - the societies of knowledge, ministry and creation. Civilization, which could be a salvation for all mankind! There was no other way out! Or a leap into the future, or death.

Such is the historical truth. There is no "enlightened and civilized" West or East that is ready to help Russia disinterestedly. Only predators and strangers, ready to immediately sever civilization, eat and "master" the wealth of Russia. Any weakness immediately causes aggression and an attempt to enslave, destroy. All this is relevant today in the era of globalization and the digital world. Peacefulness and humanity are the lofty words with which individuals live, but not the masters of the West. Behind “democracy,” “human rights,” and “tolerance” lurk the very same capitalist predators and parasites that have unleashed all the world wars. Nothing has changed! Only a global concentration camp is already on “digital” rails, and the circuits are virtual, informational. But blood, millions of victims around the world, ensuring the prosperity of the "brilliant million" - are real.

Thus, Stalin solved the daunting task of overcoming the age-old scientific and technological, industrial backwardness in ten years and repelling an external blow. And this titanic task was accomplished! The USSR was threatened with the fate of the Russian empire — an external war and an internal coup organized by the “fifth column”. Soviet Russia coped with both external and internal threats. Russian red banners fluttered over Berlin and Vienna. And the “fifth column” was defeated and was unable during the Great Patriotic War to deliver a mortal blow to the Soviet civilization from within.

The myth created during the Khrushchev and Gorbachev “rearrangements” and supported during the years of the “reforms” that the Stalinist leadership did not realize the whole threat of the forthcoming war and did not prepare for it, is deeply mistaken and false. Like the opinion launched under Khrushchev that the Stalinist repressions are paranoid, mental costs of the struggle for power. Personal psychological complex "bloody tyrant." Later, under the “democrats,” it became fashionable to assert the criminal nature of the Stalinist communist regime. It is a myth that they gladly support in the West, placing an equal sign between Stalin’s Soviet civilization and Hitler’s Nazi regime.

In reality, both industrialization and collectivization (in general, the creation of a new advanced economy), the accelerated development of science and education, the creation of new armed forces, and the external imperial policy of the USSR — all this was aimed at strengthening the country's defense, repelling the external threat, preserving the Soviet (Russian) civilization and its development. Creating a new world of fairy tales. And such a part of domestic policy, like hard purges and repressions, was the destruction of the “fifth column” in the face of overt and covert enemies of the Soviet state, civilization and the project. It was a cleansing process that helped Russia survive and conquer the most brutal World War II. Unlike the Russian Empire, which failed to do this, the Stalinist empire prepared for war and was able to cleanse itself of pests, saboteurs and traitors. This was the basis of the Great Victory.

At the same time, Stalin "cleaned" the Soviet elite, did not allow her to rot in carelessness and complacency. Repressions did not allow the Soviet top to steal! Forced to work for the benefit of the whole country and the people! It is clear that this was a cruel method of selection, the upbringing of a new Soviet elite. But he worked, and there was simply no other under those conditions. The world is cruel at all (nothing has changed even now). It is not surprising that the Stalinist empire received a whole galaxy of brilliant organizers and managers, diplomats and military leaders, engineers and designers, scientists and cosmonauts. The Stalinist generation created a superpower, a civilization of the future, a basis for Russian globalization based on a fair concept of living arrangement for all people.and not only for the prosperity of the “elect”, a handful of social parasites. These people, real titans, created an empire that allowed living in relative peace, without hunger and total poverty, to a whole generation of people living in the wreckage of the USSR (Great Russia) - the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and other republics.

We can also recall another important function of Stalinist repression. Stalin not only did not allow the Soviet elite to decay and steal, but he was also able to recover large amounts of capital that had been illegally removed from Russia during the total plundering of the country after the 1930 revolution and the Civil War during the political processes of 1917. The capitals returned to the USSR in the form of machines, equipment, experienced foreign specialists, engineers, etc. All this allowed us to transform the country in the shortest time possible, to create its industrial base, to prepare for a big war.

In this way, the cruelty of Stalin’s policy was expedient, justified by the highest interests of civilization and the people. Resurrection involves death. Russian civilization, old Russia actually died in the year 1917. There was no other way to revive Russia. Another way is death. And before that, even more suffering - defeat, occupation, genocide. And as a result - the historical death of the many thousands of Russian civilization already in the first half of the XX century.

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[Grandfather]

Why were needed Stalinist repression

"-repression -..." seems to me that the "liberals" and other "counter", so called the fight against corruption. and the current ones, over there, are composing about "insuperable circumstances" ..

[CALL.]

Why were needed Stalinist repression

It would be more correct to call these repressions "Yezhov's". Why mass repressions limit 1937-38. Because the most massive repressions took place during these years. What happened before and after these years? In December 1936, the "Stalinist" constitution was adopted. This constitution introduced free alternative elections from several candidates. A huge number of party nomenklatura, regional committee secretaries, opposed this. And preventive repression begins. Another factor coincided here. Recently available materials confirm the fact of the collusion of Nikolai Yezhov, head of the NKVD 1936-1938, with Germany. Yezhov and his high-ranking accomplices, as well as the “rightists” and Trotskyists, hoped in the event of an invasion by Germany, Japan or another major capitalist power to remain in power, albeit in servants. They tortured innocent people to get them to confess to crimes. Yezhov hoped that the mass extermination of innocent people would force the Soviet people to oppose the government. This would create conditions for an uprising at the time of the invasion of the country by Germany and Japan. In truth, the mass executions of almost 600 people in 000-1937, mostly innocent people, were deliberately organized by Yezhov and high-ranking party nomenklatura in order to sow discord among the Soviet people and remove possible candidates for the upcoming elections and help Germany and Japan to overthrow Stalin.

[CALL.]

But what happened at the end of 1938, why did the number of executed people begin to decrease? On August 22, 1938 he was appointed first deputy, and in December, L.P. Beria, People's Commissar of the NKVD of the USSR. Simultaneously with these appointments, a new structure of the NKVD of the USSR was announced. Beria began to clean the apparatus of the NKVD, prosecutors and party organs from bloody ghouls. November 17, 1938 Beria L.P. signs an order that provides for the review of cases. January 31, 1939 Beria signs an order to bring to court 13 employees of the road transport department of the NKVD of the Moscow-Kiev Railway for unreasonable arrests. February 3, 1939 By the order of Beria, the head of the Zagorsky RO UNKVD of the Moscow Region N.K. Sakharchuk for criminal methods of investigation. On February 5, by order of Beria, a group of employees of the Special Department of the Baltic Fleet was arrested for unjustified arrests. For example, the most cruel investigator during the repressions of the 30s was Sofia Gertner, who worked in the Leningrad NKVD. For the "successful" identification of "enemies of the people" she in 1937. She was awarded a nominal gold watch, but it was Beria, who became acquainted with her methods of “work”, and ordered her to be taken into custody. In March 1940, she was shot. November 9, 1939 Beria signs the order “On Shortcomings in the Investigative Work of the NKVD Bodies”, in which he demands the release of illegally arrested people across the country from custody and establishes strict control over compliance with all criminal procedural rules. The Beria’s appeal came to the NKVD bodies, such only in 1939. there were 14506 people (45,1% of the total number of operational employees), criminal cases were instituted on 8627 dismissed. L.P. Beria "cleaned" the apparatus of the NKVD, put in it a relative order and in matters of investigation. A review of cases instituted under Berry and Yezhov began. And this work was entrusted to the NKVD under the leadership of Beria. Only in 1939, 330 thousand were released. the man and the review of cases continued. For 1939-1941 Beria’s department reviewed the sentences and released a third of all convicted, and this is more than 800 thousand innocent convicted.

[Krasnoyarsk]

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A review of cases instituted under Berry and Yezhov began. And this work was entrusted to the NKVD under the leadership of Beria. Only in 1939, 330 thousand were released. the man and the review of cases continued. For 1939-1941 Beria’s department reviewed the sentences and released a third of all convicted, and this is more than 800 thousand innocent convicted.

And there is evidence of this. In the 20s - 30s, a certain Menshagin worked as a lawyer in Smolensk and the region. During the years of occupation he was burgomaster of Smolensk, convicted by Sov. court to 20 years. In conclusion, he wrote a book of memoirs. In it, he describes in sufficient detail the arrival of Beria in the NKVD and the consequences. According to him, Beria forced to reconsider all cases in the Smolensk region. Cases for review were brought "in a truck" there were so many of them.
A large number of innocents were convicted for many reasons, and one of them was a poor legal education, and often its complete absence from investigators, prosecutors, and judges.

[Nick_R]

You are not familiar with the topic. Most sat on political articles in 1946.

[Svarog]

Quote: Nick_R

You are not familiar with the topic. Most sat on political articles in 1946.

Soviet propaganda deceived us, the face of capitalism is even worse than Soviet propaganda imagined to us ..

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Nick_R

Most sat on political articles in 1946.

still would! with so many armed people in the country !! nothing surprising. And how many political articles were there?

[AU Ivanov.]

Collaborators, Bandera, Vlasov. Hence the quantity

[goose]

Quote: Nick_R

You are not familiar with the topic. Most sat on political articles in 1946.

What nonsense? There are official statistics, according to which% of criminals in the Gulag was overwhelming. So for what purpose do you need to reject the facts?

[Svarog]

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. Beria "cleaned" the apparatus of the NKVD, put in it a relative order and in matters of investigation. A review of cases instituted under Berry and Yezhov began. And this work was entrusted to the NKVD under the leadership of Beria. Only in 1939, 330 thousand were released. the man and the review of cases continued. For 1939-1941 Beria’s department reviewed the sentences and released a third of all convicted, and this is more than 800 thousand innocent convicted.

Beria, in general, was a very gifted leader, for whatever he would undertake, everything always worked out and brought to the end .. The atomic bomb is also a task that Beria was able to solve as soon as possible ..

[16329]

He was a gifted leader, but lost to the rustic-looking Khrushchev and the military from his support team, that's how it happens
In general, it is time to end up rushing around with the Stalin era as something exceptional and worthy of imitation, in reality it was the period of the restoration of our country from the chaos of the revolution where it was plunged, including by those groups to which the future leader belonged, repression is not the main thing , the worst thing is that the Stalinist system could not develop a mechanism and a progressive system for the transfer of power after the death of the "red emperor"
The Stalinist system also did not manage to create a stable elite, so we have what we have

[Alber]

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But what happened at the end of 1938, why did the number of executed people begin to decrease? On August 22, 1938 he was appointed first deputy, and in December, L.P. Beria, People's Commissar of the NKVD of the USSR. Simultaneously with these appointments, a new structure of the NKVD of the USSR was announced. Beria began to clean the apparatus of the NKVD, prosecutors and party organs from bloody ghouls. November 17, 1938 Beria L.P. signs an order that provides for the review of cases. January 31, 1939 Beria signs an order to bring to court 13 employees of the road transport department of the NKVD of the Moscow-Kiev Railway for unreasonable arrests. February 3, 1939 By the order of Beria, the head of the Zagorsky RO UNKVD of the Moscow Region N.K. Sakharchuk for criminal methods of investigation. On February 5, by order of Beria, a group of employees of the Special Department of the Baltic Fleet was arrested for unjustified arrests. For example, the most cruel investigator during the repressions of the 30s was Sofia Gertner, who worked in the Leningrad NKVD. For the "successful" identification of "enemies of the people" she in 1937. She was awarded a nominal gold watch, but it was Beria, who became acquainted with her methods of “work”, and ordered her to be taken into custody. In March 1940, she was shot. November 9, 1939 Beria signs the order “On Shortcomings in the Investigative Work of the NKVD Bodies”, in which he demands the release of illegally arrested people across the country from custody and establishes strict control over compliance with all criminal procedural rules. The Beria’s appeal came to the NKVD bodies, such only in 1939. there were 14506 people (45,1% of the total number of operational employees), criminal cases were instituted on 8627 dismissed. L.P. Beria "cleaned" the apparatus of the NKVD, put in it a relative order and in matters of investigation. A review of cases instituted under Berry and Yezhov began. And this work was entrusted to the NKVD under the leadership of Beria. Only in 1939, 330 thousand were released. the man and the review of cases continued. For 1939-1941 Beria’s department reviewed the sentences and released a third of all convicted, and this is more than 800 thousand innocent convicted.

They are still needed, repressions against such scum-executioners as Sophia Gertner, Zemlyachki-Zalkinda who carry out bloody terror against the Russian people.
Fellow tribesmen of these Sofochki pour mud on Beria, whom they terribly hate, for not allowing them to carry out dirty deeds. I did not give to the end how they planned to exterminate the Russian people.
Stalin saved the Russian people from the genocide organized by the Zionofascists ...

[oracul]

Yezhov, as often happens in history, is just a "random performer", whom life has lifted unexpectedly high and who at some point thinks of himself for nothing. Such were Khrushchev and Gorbachev and Yeltsin and others of a lesser status, whose true competence was to destroy what was created by others, and to consolidate oneself on these ruins in the role of a liberal and a democrat, a champion of freedom, even when it brings grief to millions of people.

[Svarog]

Quote: oracul

Yezhov, as often happens in history, is just a "random performer" whom life has lifted unexpectedly high

Here you also need to say about the moral character of Yezhov .. He was a monkey man who drank terribly, had no principles and slept indiscriminately with everyone including men ..

[Campanella]

Fully consistent with current Western standards)))

[CALL.]

Quote: oracul

Yezhov, as often happens in history, is just a "random performer" whom life has lifted unexpectedly high and who at some point thinks of himself for nothing. Such were Khrushchev and Gorbachev and Yeltsin and others of lesser status

You do not have the feeling that they did not accidentally find themselves where they could inflict the most significant harm on the communist ideology and economy of the USSR.

[goose]

Quote: oracul

Those were Khrushchev and Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

I do not like all three, but Yeltsin especially. He came to power on the head. He ruined the construction industry in the Sverdlovsk region, dumped all the blame on others and settled in a warm place in Moscow.
Khrushchev is also good, but his behavior on a number of segments of history can be called exemplary, in contrast to the orc of Yeltsin. Khrushchev, it seems, really believed in what he was doing.

[Sergei 777]

No, not right. For Yezhov is simply the executor of Stalin's will. And to associate Stalinist repression only with Yezhov is stupid. Repressions were before him and were after.

[Mcar]

Quote: Sergey 777

No, not right. For Yezhov is simply the executor of Stalin's will. And to associate Stalinist repression only with Yezhov is stupid. Repressions were before him and were after.

Yes, there were before and there were after. But the scale of the "before and after" repression is not comparable to the "iron fist":

CALL. in general, he correctly outlined the picture, and if in one word to describe the repressions of 1937-38, then this word is CONSPIRACY.

And further. The author for some reason did not specify, but I will not be lazy.

Press - crush, repression - suppression. This time.

Secondly, "The state is a machine for the oppression of one class by another, a machine for keeping other subordinate classes in obedience to one class. VI Lenin."

Oil painting - repression, i.e. the suppression of the exploited class by the ruling, exist at all times and in all countries. Including in the Russian Federation. Right now, the ruling bourgeois class is repressing, suppressing the proletarian class in a variety of ways (taking away pensions is only one of them).

It would be strange if the birth of a new formation - communism, were not accompanied by the suppression of those who are against, who want to continue the banquet, i.e. wants to continue to exploit their own kind.

[To be or not to be]

McAr (Alexander) Today, 09:38 NEW

Petty-bourgeois element!
The petty-bourgeois element with the victory of socialism in the USSR has not gone anywhere in people
She calmed down. Hid. . And she was waiting for her time. What will manifest itself in various aspects of the minor, from the banal theft and corruption of officials to the wrecking and sale of the motherland
Officials, as its main bearers (allowed by the state to distribute goods), as if organized in their own class .. The bearer of the petty-bourgeois element. Penetrating into power. I pulled myself like myself .. A healthy state organism was amazed. and was sick ..
"The petty-bourgeois element, with which we now have to wage the most stubborn struggle, is reflected precisely in the fact that the consciousness of the national economic and political connection between hunger and unemployment and the licentiousness of each and every one in organizing and disciplining is weak - that the petty-proprietor's view is firmly held: I would snatch more, and there at least the grass does not grow.
... In a country with a huge predominance of a small-proprietary population over a purely proletarian population, it will inevitably affect - and from time to time it will be extremely dramatic ....
...
A social source of these types, this is a petty landlord who is furious from the horrors of war, from sudden ruin, from unheard-of torments of hunger and ruin, who hysterically rushes about, looking for a way out and salvation, hesitating between trust in the proletariat and support for it, on the one hand, with attacks despair - on the other. It is necessary to clearly understand and firmly grasp that no socialism can be built on such a social base.
"(The immediate tasks of the Soviet government The international position of the Russian Soviet Republic
and the main tasks of the socialist revolution V.I. Lenin (1918)))

"" It is precisely petty-bourgeois capitalism that now prevails in Russia, from which the same road leads both to state big capitalism and to socialism, leads the way through the same intermediate station, called "nationwide accounting and control over production and distribution of products ".
..The petty-bourgeois element is not for nothing called the element, because it is really something the most formless, indefinite, unconscious ....
.. The spring events of 1921 showed again and again the role of the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks: they help the vacillating petty-bourgeois elements to recoil from the Bolsheviks, to make a "shift of power" in favor of the capitalists and landlords. The Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries have now learned to repaint themselves as "non-party". This has been fully proven. And only fools can now not see this, not understand that we should not allow ourselves to be fooled ...

((On the food tax (The significance of the new policy and its conditions) V.I. Lenin (1921)))

“On July 9, 1928, Joseph Vissarionovich remarked in his speech:“ ... as we move forward, the resistance of the capitalist elements will increase, the class struggle will intensify, and the Soviet government, whose forces will grow more and more, will pursue a policy of isolation of these elements, the policy of disintegrating the enemies of the working class, and finally, the policy of suppressing the resistance of the exploiters, creating the basis for further advancement of the working class and the bulk of the peasantry.
It is impossible to imagine that socialist forms will develop, crowding out the enemies of the working class, and the enemies will retreat silently, giving way to our advancement, that then we will advance forward again, and they will retreat again, and then "unexpectedly" without exception social groups, both fists and the poor, both workers and capitalists, will find themselves “suddenly”, “imperceptibly”, without struggle and anxiety, in the bosom of a socialist society. Such tales do not exist and cannot exist at all, in the atmosphere of the dictatorship of the proletariat - in particular. ... On the contrary, the advance towards socialism cannot but lead to the resistance of the exploiting elements to this advance, and the resistance of the exploiters cannot but lead to the inevitable aggravation of the class struggle.
That is why it is impossible to lull the working class to sleep by talking about the secondary role of the class struggle ... "(I. Stalin Works, vol. 11. Moscow, 1949, p. 171-172). .. "

[Mcar]

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Petty-bourgeois element!

She, darling, where to get away from her ...

The beginnings of this same petty-bourgeois element begin with the desire to give society less and worse, and to take more and better from the general. Especially if no one sees, no one knows ... Are there few of them? Hmm, it’s better otherwise - how many others?

[the most important]

Quote: McAr

It would be strange if the birth of a new formation - communism, were not accompanied by the suppression of those who are against, who want to continue the banquet, i.e. wants to continue to exploit their own kind.

In the Omsk region (and throughout the country), thousands of ordinary peasants were repressed. Whom did they exploit except themselves? The plan to identify the enemies of the people simply was. My grandfather, a simple peasant, also fell into this vent. He was then completely rehabilitated, but his life can no longer be returned. Blood in the hands of their fellow villagers on the NKV Deshniki Solopov (fate is unknown, but there is no such name in the region) and Deryagin (during the Second World War, he sat in the deepest rear, and then moved to Dnepropetrovsk). As a result of such bacchanalia, the leaders of the regional NKVD themselves were also shot. I don’t feel sorry for them. I believe that the advantages of one system over another system should be proved by an increase in the standard of living of the people, and not by mass executions. The fact that now there are a lot of crooks and criminals in power does not mean at all that it is necessary to shoot everyone in power. But to act in accordance with the law, regardless of the position, is simply necessary. It is hard to believe that when 30 billion are stolen, no one knows about it. But why wait so long before the arrest? Therefore, the class struggle should not be confused with the fight against criminality. Criminals must be severely punished. And the rich (honest business) just have to pay more taxes. And where then is the class struggle under such a condition? This is beneficial for everyone.

[aybolyt678]

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The fact that now there are a lot of crooks and criminals in power does not mean at all that it is necessary to shoot everyone in power. But acting in accordance with the law, regardless of the position, is simply necessary

If, in accordance with the law, someone needs to be shot, especially crooks and criminals in today's government, then these will be the most massive executions in the history of Russia. Unfortunately, they will be shot by other crooks, on whose side the law is temporary ..... They all have relatives whose children will remember, like, they shot my grandfather after Putin ....
I also live in the Omsk region, my grandfather was sent to be shot, but Stalin's article "Dizziness with success" was published, where he warned against excessive enthusiasm for executions, and he was released.

[Alf]

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A rich (honest business)

Where have you seen an honest businessman? The phrase "I can explain the origin of all my millions, except for the very first" does not mean anything?

[the most important]

Quote: Alf

And where did you see an honest businessman?

Unfortunately, honest people cannot get out of a small business into a large one. It's impossible. But I do not exclude that somewhere there are especially lucky who succeeded. Unfortunately, babies are milked to the last strand, while large ones steal in billions.

[ccsr]

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Unfortunately, honest people cannot get out of a small business into a large one. It's impossible.

I completely agree with you on this, because I myself have been in small business for many years. Not to mention our perverted legislation regarding small business, there is also a certain psychology of IP, which must be taken into account. When a person himself, constantly communicating with his hired employees, makes decisions, he involuntarily takes into account their interests, and often such decisions sometimes harm the business, and nothing can be done because of our patriarchal relations.

[Campanella]

You guys do not understand the main thing.
We have no market, we have no competition. I will not undertake to disassemble the world system, but something tells me that everyone there also has their own ceiling outlined by the world oligarchy and it is not easy to get into its circle, it is not rubber.
In Russia, business is simply tightly controlled, as soon as it begins to lay claim to the first lines of influence ratings, a proposal is made to buy it, if it is not agreed, it is destroyed. It is necessary to maintain our oligarchy power and stolen.

[ccsr]

Quote: Campanella

In Russia, business is simply tightly controlled as soon as it begins to claim the first lines of influence ratings,

It was about a small business, for which the main thing is to survive on your own, and feed yourself and your family, provide education for your children, if they are capable. Some authors decided that the petty-bourgeois essence of small business is almost a threat to their vision of a just world, the truth is what they should be, they themselves do not know.
So believe me, this is not about small business ratings, but about the fact that our small business suffers not so much from the interests of big business as from the greed of small-town officials and the indifference of the authorities to solving problems in this area of ​​people's activity, which, by the way, helps to solve the problem employment of unskilled labor.

[Alf]

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But to act in accordance with the law, regardless of the position, is simply necessary.

How can you act in accordance with the law that the bandits themselves wrote for themselves? Who can be attracted according to "compelling circumstances"?

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I believe that the advantages of one system over another system should be proved by an increase in the standard of living of the people, and not by mass executions

And how to do it, if these very oligarchs do not give it?

[the most important]

Quote: Alf

How can you act in accordance with the law that the bandits themselves wrote for themselves? Who can be attracted according to "compelling circumstances"?

Unfortunately, I the most important in, and not in the whole country ... that's how I grow up a little bit, so I will answer you.

[Alf]

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Quote: Alf

How can you act in accordance with the law that the bandits themselves wrote for themselves? Who can be attracted according to "compelling circumstances"?

Unfortunately, I the most important in, and not in the whole country ... that's how I grow up a little bit, so I will answer you.

I understand your humor, but you can't do without purges.
As they say, beauty and mass executions will save the world. Beauty is more aesthetic, shootings are more reliable.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Who is entrusted to appoint the shot?
And yourself, at the same time, will you step aside in order to remain in a pure uniform in history?

[Mcar]

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In the Omsk region (and throughout the country), thousands of ordinary peasants were repressed. Whom did they exploit except themselves?

1. Throughout the country, not thousands, but hundreds of thousands. In total for 1930-1931, as indicated in the certificate of the Department for Special Migrants of the Gulag of the OGPU, 381 families with a total number of 026 people were sent to special settlement.
Those. 1,5% of the rural population suffered repression.
2. Exploited fists, world-eaters of fellow villagers. The villagers also dispossessed kulaks-exploiters. Here they, the villagers, knew better than you and me, who and what lives in the village.

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My grandfather, a simple peasant, also fell into this vent.

With all due respect, it means that not your “grand peasant” was your grandfather.

A few years ago, on another site, one interlocutor was surprised - for something great-grandfather was repressed, he had only 8 horses. It seems today - "low" planted. But analyzing the events of the past, each time it is necessary to approach not with modern standards, but with those of those times. To keep one horse was a big problem - she only needed to feed hay, not counting oats, up to 5 hectares of hayfields. The question is, where would you get so much free land to feed 8 horses? The answer is obvious - the debtors also mow, and take away, and clean, and use. Only in this way it was possible to have 8 horses in one family.

Quote: the most important

Blood in the hands of their fellow villagers on the NKV Deshniki Solopov (fate is unknown, but there is no such name in the region) and Deryagin (during the Second World War he served in the deepest rear, and then moved to Dnepropetrovsk). As a result of such bacchanalia, the leaders of the regional NKVD themselves were also shot.

And it was. Kinks on the ground called. Those responsible were punished, even to the point of execution. Now, unlike those times, the guilty, in the worst case, get off with conditional punishment, or even simply dismissal with promotion.

Quote: the most important

I believe that the advantages of one system over another system should be proved by an increase in the standard of living of the people, and not by mass executions.

Mass executions are Lensky, Bloody Sunday ...
The standard of living of the people increased, as never before in other times, neither before nor after. Do not you know?

Quote: the most important

It is hard to believe that when 30 billion are stolen, no one knows about it. But why wait so long before the arrest? Therefore, the class struggle should not be confused with the fight against criminality. Criminals must be severely punished. And the rich (honest business) just have to pay more taxes. And where then is the class struggle under such a condition?

What ruling class is it now? Bourgeois. So what is it to be surprised that the bourgeoisie is not punished, as expected? The raven will not peck out the crow.

[Olgovich]

Quote: McAr

Fellow world-eaters were exploited by fellow villagers. The villagers also dispossessed kulaks-exploiters. Here they, the villagers, knew better than you and me, who and what lives in the village.

What wildness are you preaching here?
Only the COURT, and not an envious neighbor or official, has the right to punish a person — to take property and to exile with children.
Existing laws USSR exiled and robbed peasants-NOT violated!

[Mcar]

Quote: Olgovich

The existing laws of the USSR exiled and robbed peasants-did not violate!

Speculation and usury.

Both that, and another was forbidden by the law. Punishment - the real term and confiscation of property. So with the fists - exploiters, money-lenders, speculators acted very humanely. If by law, then all of them would have been needed not in a settlement, but in a colony.

[Olgovich]

Quote: McAr

Both that, and another was forbidden by the law.

Bring court decisions о violation of them laws, not chatter ..

Quote: McAr

So with the fists - exploiters, money-lenders, speculators acted very humanely.

Died 600 thousand exiled peasants.
Most of them are children.

[Mcar]

Quote: Olgovich

Died 600 thousand exiled peasants.

In the Republic of Ingushetia, at least 2 million children under 5 years old died of hunger and malnutrition ANNUALLY.

Quote: Olgovich

Give court decisions on their violation of laws, not chatter ..

Chukchi is not a reader?

It was said in Russian - if they had acted according to the law, they would have been sent to prison, and not to a settlement.

Or would a colony be better? )))

[Olgovich]

Quote: McAr

In the Republic of Ingushetia, at least 2 million children under 5 years old died of hunger and malnutrition ANNUALLY.

Lying. And- they were exiled and there they died?

And how does this justify the death of Hundred THOUSAND exiled children? They answered WHAT, eh?

Quote: McAr

Chukchi is not a reader?

It was said in Russian - if they had acted according to the law, they would have been sent to prison, and not to a settlement.

According to law-planned to do so. Lawlessness is a CRIME. And it was officially condemned by the very power of the USSR in 89-91

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

Fellow-world-eaters of fellow villagers exploited

under the primary Soviet power, if you remember, there were excesses with common wives, and in villages and gardens with kitchen gardens at kulaks were considered common

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

under the primary Soviet power, if you remember, there were excesses with common wives, and in villages and gardens with kitchen gardens at kulaks were considered common

And how many months did it end? In two? Three?

If you, like me, wrote in infancy, then this is not an excuse for the rest of your life to be considered sykuns.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

If you, like me, wrote in infancy, then this is not an excuse for the rest of your life to be considered sykuns.

Exactly!!! if you were reading "On Some Problems of Building Socialism in the USSR", after all, one cannot even dream of communism without a system of training and choosing leaders. All the achievements of socialism in
The USSR is the merit of Stalin.

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

if you read "On some problems of building socialism in the USSR"

Said "A", say "B" - on what basis did you make such a conclusion? What exactly do I not understand from Stalin's article "ECONOMIC PROBLEMS OF SOCIALISM IN THE USSR"?

Quote: aybolyt678

because one cannot even dream of communism without a system of training and choice of leaders

At the dawn of the transition from feudalism to capitalism, it was also impossible without leaders. However, as soon as capitalism settled down, no leaders were needed. It will be the same with communism. We simply did not have time to build it because of the internal and external reaction element. When communism wins, no leaders will be needed - society itself will look at the rare renegades dreaming of someone to exploit as geeks.

Quote: aybolyt678

All the achievements of socialism in
The USSR is the merit of Stalin.

It is what it is. We were just lucky. If someone else was at the helm, it is still unknown how everything would turn out. For example, if someone like Olgovich was at the helm, then he would have broken a lot of firewood, and he would have shot all Chechens, and he would have rotted his fists in Kolyma, etc. like that. Because it would be by law.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

Said "A", say "B"

Dear Alexander! there was an article and there were problems. Namely, the regulation of the financial and production system. Where it is impossible to determine the real value with the cost price, and which requires a clear understanding of the system by all its members.
Today it would be real with the help of computer technology, and then only one person knew everything - this is Stalin. And all the mistakes of Stalin - from incorrect reporting from the field.
But life goes on, other issues are on the agenda, a completely different information background. In addition to the leader, a large media company with good specialists is required today. Where to get them?

[goose]

Quote: McAr

Yes, there were before and there were after. But the scale of the "before and after" repression is not comparable to the "iron fist":

That's right, but you need to clarify how many sentences were carried out. In 1938, Stalin imposed a moratorium on the execution of sentences before the decision of a special commission, which saved many lives. But still, Yezhov managed to execute many times more than his predecessors and followers in the NKVD.

[Mcar]

Quote: goose

That's right, but you need to clarify how many sentences were carried out. In 1938, Stalin imposed a moratorium on the execution of sentences before the decision of a special commission, which saved many lives. But still, Yezhov managed to execute many times more than his predecessors and followers in the NKVD.

Exactly. More than once, including from historians, I heard that only half of the total number of people sentenced to VMN were enforced. But, unfortunately, I often hesitate to mention this, since I do not have exact data on how many were shot, and how many were replaced by different terms.

[goose]

Quote: McAr

But, unfortunately, I often hesitate to mention this, since I do not have exact data on how many were shot, and how many were replaced by different terms.

I saw the exact data. In total, about 800 thousand sentences were issued for execution; at the time of the announcement of the moratorium and the creation of the commission, only 3,5 thousand sentences were executed. Subsequently, the commission worked until 1953, and confirmed about 15 thousand sentences. The rest were canceled.
I must say that for the years 1935-1937 the NKVD actually became an independent political party, with all the consequences.

[Mcar]

Quote: goose

I saw the exact data. In total, about 800 thousand sentences were issued for execution; at the time of the announcement of the moratorium and the creation of the commission, only 3,5 thousand sentences were executed. Subsequently, the commission worked until 1953, and confirmed about 15 thousand sentences. The rest were canceled.

You say shocking things! In a good way, shocking.

15 from 800 is 2%. Or this cannot be, or ... shock. I understand that all our beliefs are taken from somewhere, brought by someone ... How and where can I see this data? Here, for things that I have known for over a decade, they simply terrorize with proofs. Already tired of looking for a documentary answer about "twice two" every time. But for SUCH statements without evidence, they are lynched here!

I would really appreciate a tip - where and how to see what you say.

[goose]

Quote: McAr

How and where can I see this data?

This is the data from the rehabilitation commission led by Beria. Some of them are given in a note for Khrushchev on repressions, prepared to expose the cult of Stalin at the congress. The rest is taken from the modern research work of Yegor Yakovlev. This is the data of the NKVD archives.
The controversial part of this work is the pending cases of the repressed after the dispersal of the commission in 1953, there were about 80 thousand of them left.
As a general analysis, you can watch a video from the Goblin on Stalinist repression.
Starikov’s blog contains a scan of the 1954 note prepared according to the NKVD Khrushchev, there is a figure of 692 thousand VMN
https://nstarikov.ru/blog/23567
This number is underestimated.

I must say separately that many criminal articles of that time were considered political, and according to modern concepts do not fall under political articles. Their% in the sentences based on Yakovlev’s materials is about 85%, which indirectly confirms the figure in the note for Khrushchev.

[Mcar]

Quote: goose

As a general analysis, you can watch a video from the Goblin on Stalinist repression.
Starikov’s blog contains a scan of the 1954 note prepared according to the NKVD Khrushchev, there is a figure of 2900 shot from among the repressed.
https://nstarikov.ru/blog/23567

The fact is that for about 10 years now, everything connected with the Stalinist era interests me to an extreme degree. I watched the Goblin, by the way, very good stories about that era, I saw a scan of a note to Khrushchev, I know the corrected data of various researchers ... And there are not "2900 executed", there are 2 900 000. And this is just a clarification of how many were convicted by the courts, military tribunals, and how many triplets, special meetings.

Quote: goose

I must say separately that many criminal articles of that time were considered political, and according to modern concepts do not fall under political articles. Their% in the sentences based on Yakovlev’s materials is about 85%, which indirectly confirms the figure in the note for Khrushchev.

And I already know that too. Political Article 58 even included escape and refusal to work. Those. a thief, a bandit, a robber while in a colony could become a "victim of political repression" simply by refusing to work - it was called counter-revolutionary sabotage. Such arguments are not proof for trolling crystal bakers.

Sorry. You were so reassuring for a few minutes ... and then on a grand scale. )))

[goose]

Quote: McAr

Sorry. You were so reassuring for a few minutes ... and then on a grand scale. )))

I will make a reservation in advance that the repressions of 1936-1938 were considered. Repression of 1939, I do not consider.
The data on Khrushchev's note relate to the activities of the Gulag from 1921 to 1953, and this is as much as 32 years.
Have you read Yegor Yakovlev or Viktor Zemskov? They dealt in detail with the activities of the commission. There is evidence that more than 80% of those convicted during the years of repression were rehabilitated by 1940, and were outside places of detention. Of these, 1152 thousand people were rehabilitated in extrajudicial cases.
http://www.agitclub.ru/gorby/ussr/ussr1988.htm
https://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783 - Земсков
Given the number of repressed, and this is approximately 1,5 million people, it remains to determine the fate of the remaining 300 thousand people. It is known that according to the sentences of courts, tribunals and triples in the period 1936-1938, about 80-90 thousand pending cases remained for 1953, all of them were amnestied in 1953, except for an extremely small number of criminals. Those. roughly speaking, it remains to deal with 230 thousand cases with an incomprehensible fate. If the statistics on the articles for the remaining cases are similar to the general, then the share of VMN is about 57 thousand cases. Adding confirmed sentencing sentences here, we get the maximum possible figure of 75 thousand executed sentences according to the VMN for convicts in the period 1936-1938 (obviously high, in my opinion).
There is a very high probability that the sentences in these cases were not carried out, because because of the outbreak of war, the commission under the Central Committee did not manage to get to them to confirm the verdict, and all these people, after serving the extra 8-9 years, were released under an amnesty in 1953.

[Mcar]

Quote: goose

I will make a reservation in advance that the repressions of 1936-1938 were considered. Repression of 1939, I do not consider.
The data on Khrushchev's note relate to the activities of the Gulag from 1921 to 1953, and this is as much as 32 years.
Have you read Yegor Yakovlev or Viktor Zemskov? They dealt in detail with the activities of the commission. There is evidence that more than 80% of those convicted during the years of repression were rehabilitated by 1940, and were outside places of detention. Of these, 1152 thousand people were rehabilitated in extrajudicial cases.

Yes, I know it.

The question is narrow: how many were actually shot from those sentenced to VMN in 1937-38., and how many was a replacement for different periods or an excuse?
If by 1940 a person was rehabilitated, but shot in 1937-38, then he was shot. Rehabilitation to this issue in no way.

Quote: goose

http://www.agitclub.ru/gorby/ussr/ussr1988.htm

All post-Stalinist rehabilitation - Khrushchev's, Gorbachev's - is not credible. I have already cited an example: a recidivist criminal - there is nowhere to put samples, escapes from prison and becomes "political", a rehabilitation commission comes in - an escape ?! Is it possible to repress for such a trifle? - rehabilitate! I am convinced that both anti-Soviet terrorists and ordinary criminals fell under these rehabilitation. We would now be rehabilitated all currency dealers - just give free rein.

Quote: goose

https://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783 - Земсков
Given the number of victims of repression, which is approximately 1,5 million people

According to Zemskov, those sentenced to VMN for 1937-38. a little more than 690. But how many sentences of execution were replaced for different terms - Zemskov does not indicate or did not come across to me.

Quote: goose

There is a very high probability that the sentences in these cases were not carried out, because because of the outbreak of war, the commission under the Central Committee did not manage to get to them to confirm the verdict, and all these people, after serving the extra 8-9 years, were released under an amnesty in 1953.

Beria really stopped the repression and immediately began the process of checks and rehabilitation. But the time was harsh and then it was not the same as it is now - the sentence passed did not "hang" for years, often hours, days, weeks, rarely months. So it could only be lucky that part to whom the tower was taken out literally before Beria was appointed head of the NKVD in November 1938.

[11 black]

Quote: McAr

Secondly, "The state is a machine for the oppression of one class by another, a machine for keeping other subordinate classes in obedience to one class. VI Lenin."

Considering that this is Lenin's personal opinion, it was precisely the Soviet state that was such a machine (this is how the "Theorist of Communism" saw it).

Quote: McAr

Right now, the dominant bourgeois class represses, suppresses the proletarian class in a variety of ways (the removal of pensions is only one of them).

Suppresses - this is unconditional. But "Capital measure" in the Russian Federation has been abolished from the word altogether, so there is no need to try to equate raising the retirement age and shooting hundreds of thousands of people.

We have what we have precisely because the Soviet government, by its "suppression", instilled fear in the people of the government, and this is what now prevents society from "giving in the teeth" to the completely overlooked elite, namely, to create working trade unions, where everyone is a mountain and the workers are already giving ultimatums to the bourgeoisie.

But people are still so intimidated by the power that until these bright times as the moon on a scooter.

PS This is just my personal opinion ... and the increase in the retirement age, in my opinion, is a betrayal of the people by the "Most Serene Highness", but this is still not repression.

[Mcar]

Quote: 11 black

this is just my personal opinion ...

Opinion? Billions of opinions, but one truth.
By the way, it is believed that the moon is 50 km away. Not yours, by the hour?

You need to learn. And then the mess in my head is such that only the appearance of her tetanus can be enough. Get started now. What are your biggest cockroaches? With the state? So start with it.

M.V. Popov "STATE". Workshop. Part 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni1OgrQed7k

PS. Thanks are not needed. I'm already used to it.

[Nick_R]

That is, it was necessary to materialize a new reality, a fairy tale world. Russian ideal of being - Bright (Holy) Russia, City of Kitezh.

To build a fairy tale of the City of Kityaz on the bones of his people? In my opinion, someone is not all right with the matrix.

[naidas]

Quote: Nick_R

To build a fairy tale of the City of Kityaz on the bones of his people?

What are your suggestions?
Here either survival as a people, or the path of the American Indians.
The Führer would have resolved the issue of Russian Indians in favor of real Europeans.

[Alf]

Quote: Nick_R

To build a fairy tale of the City of Kityaz on the bones of his people? In my opinion, someone is not all right with the matrix.

And on whose bones is modern capitalist Russia now being built? Check out my table.

[freddyk]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Nick_R

To build a fairy tale of the City of Kityaz on the bones of his people? In my opinion, someone is not all right with the matrix.

And on whose bones is modern capitalist Russia now being built? Check out my table.

I must say that this is sad, modern Russia is on the bones, but it is not built. Unlike the Peter and Stalin times, when the people were really building material, but it was worth it. It can be added that Peter and Stalin did not care much about their personal well-being, but gave themselves in the name of their homeland. How can this be said about the current rulers

[Alf]

Quote: freddyk

It can be added that Peter and Stalin did not care much about their personal well-being,

It is interesting to see what the condition of the guarantor is ...

[16329]

And the daughter of Stalin, where Svetlana died, remind

[ant-77]

She died in the United States. In recent years, she lived on welfare. But she lived very modestly. Forbes was not included in the list. Unlike the kids of the modern elite of the Russian Federation ..

[Altona]

Quote: Alf

And on whose bones is modern capitalist Russia now being built?

By the way, has no one read such a "Russian" author?

[Karenas]

Quote: Altona

Quote: Alf

And on whose bones is modern capitalist Russia now being built?

By the way, has no one read such a "Russian" author?

In fact, Solovyov does not hide that he is a Jew (Russian Jew), but for some reason he is strenuously rejecting the Khazars and the Khazars, which leads to suspicions ... He is on my list under the number one who speaks well of Lenin, but bad about Stalin ... Which fundamentally betrays him as a Jew and without his recognition ...

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Altona (Eugene).
Solovyov Vladimir, TV presenter and author of this book
"We are Russians! God is with us!" much more Russian than many speakers on the Internet with comments in defense of those ghouls who destroyed the Russian people at the root (with children).
And now they have started tyagomotin: according to the law, it was necessary to act with the peasantry, or, nevertheless, it was better for them - a settlement.
Horror seizes when reading these gems and I want to ask: "Are you still people or have you ceased to be?"

[Killemall]

We endlessly scolded Comrade Stalin, and, of course, for the cause. And still I want to ask - who wrote four million denunciations?

- Sergey Dovlatov

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey 777

Repressions were before him and were after.

Compare the figures of the 30s and 90s, as well as the United States.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Z.O.V.

This constitution introduced free alternative elections, out of several candidates. A huge number of party nomenclature, secretaries of the regional committees, opposed this. And preventive repression begins.

It is appropriate to explain why she opposed this. The fact is that the main part of the party nomenclature was poorly prepared for housekeeping. They could fight, light fiery speeches, but alas, to manage the national economy. Therefore, in alternative elections, they flew by, i.e. remained without power. And they rushed to convince Stalin that it was too early to hold elections on an alternative basis, that there were still many enemies of the Sov. competent, capable of rubbing confidence
to voters and in this way to break through to power.
No one knows what Stalin thought there, and whether "repressions" were carried out on his orders.
I do not agree with one, - with the word repression.
Repression is a punitive measure on the part of the state. Those. legal prosecution.
The arrest of the Arashukovs today is repression?
This word carries a negative emotional connotation, and together with the word - massive, so in general - horror.
Were innocent convicts? Undoubtedly. And today, when the intensity of the political struggle is much less?

[Strategy]

They could fight

They also did not know how to fight, they only knew how to drive people into battle. To be able to fight is not at all easier than managing. To be able to do something, you need to learn a lot!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Strategia

They could fight

They also did not know how to fight, they only knew how to drive people into battle. To be able to fight is not at all easier than managing. To be able to do something, you need to learn a lot!

If they did not know how to fight, they would not have won.

[Alf]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Strategia

They could fight

They also did not know how to fight, they only knew how to drive people into battle. To be able to fight is not at all easier than managing. To be able to do something, you need to learn a lot!

If they did not know how to fight, they would not have won.

This is a controversial issue. As long as the IVS did not drive the "old guard" nominees out of control of the army, things were going badly in the war. But among the marshals of victory, almost all those who are from the "new wave".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alf

This is a controversial issue. As long as the IVS did not drive the "old guard" nominees out of control of the army, things were going badly in the war. But among the marshals of victory, almost all those who are from the "new wave".

1. You do not confuse the secretaries of the regional committees, regional committees, district committees with the generals.
2. What are the names of those whom Stalin drove away from command of the army.
3. Is it a "new wave", has it arrived from Mars, or has it started to "pull the military strap" from the First World War?
You are not too lazy and compare the track record of our generals and German.

[goose]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

What are the names of those whom Stalin drove away from command of the army.

Plyusanula, on the contrary, Stalin was known as a great liberal. There weren’t enough personnel and enough chances to show themselves again were given enough, even to those whom their army needed to drive in 3 necks.

[Strategy]

There are no military winners in the civil war, there are political winners, that is, those who seized power. And the country lost ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Strategia

There are no military winners in the civil war, there are political winners, that is, those who seized power. And the country lost ...

What are you talking about !? I didn’t know, I didn’t know that a "political victory" happens with the death of hundreds of thousands of people. And what about foreign intervention by twenty states? Is this also a political victory?
And to whom did the country lose?

[Strategy]

Civil War and Foreign Military Intervention - Feel the Difference!

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Krasnoyarsk
Is it really so difficult to understand that the COUNTRY lost IN TIME ... Destroying its own citizens, the country destroyed its future, therefore we are constantly lagging behind the so-called "civilized-democratic" countries by 30-40 years !!!
And the intervention? what question? thieves climb there WHERE WEAKLY GUARDED ... They must be destroyed; and so our grandfathers-great-grandfathers managed with intervention ...
And now they come close, they smell the smell of blood ,,,
which will soon spill.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

Is it really so difficult to understand that the COUNTRY lost IN TIME ... Destroying its own citizens, the country destroyed its future, therefore we constantly lag behind the so-called "civilized democratic"

Do you really think that the people followed the Bolsheviks because they lived well?
It is very difficult for our people to organize to fight the authorities. The Bolsheviks only showed where to go, while the people were already "seething with indignation." Therefore, the Bolsheviks are not to blame for the civil war.

[ant-77]

The list can be who the country destroyed?

[Altona]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Repression is a punitive measure on the part of the state.

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Repression is not always a term or execution. Why do people constantly excite them? And unemployment is not repression, credit bondage is not repression, the inability to get an education or treatment is not repression? To pay low salaries and pensions, violating international obligations assumed - not repression? Ruining the province is not repression?

[Fevralsk. Morev]

Dear Altona. All that you said is not repression. This is a GENOCIDE using economic methods. Long, tedious, but reliable.

[Altona]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

Dear Altona. All that you said is not repression. This is a GENOCIDE using economic methods. Long, tedious, but reliable.

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This is understandable, I mean that this is the same restriction of rights and freedoms. You can call it anything you like and in any context, but it’s just a restriction of a person’s natural rights and freedoms and even the threat of his destruction.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Altona

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Repression is a punitive measure on the part of the state.

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Repression is not always a term or execution. Why do people constantly excite them? And unemployment is not repression, credit bondage is not repression, the inability to get an education or treatment is not repression? To pay low salaries and pensions, violating international obligations assumed - not repression? Ruining the province is not repression?

Repression, and even what. But ... hidden. The liberals of Volkogonov, gozmans, posners and this entire state-owned company do not trumpet them with all their might. And they, hidden repressions, are more dangerous, because they mow all ordinary people indiscriminately. And in the 30s, the majority, nevertheless, were not innocent lambs.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Krasnoyarsk
"And in the 30s, the majority, nevertheless, were not innocent sheep."

“This is scary. It’s scary that such statements are made, completely irresponsible, for what only? To justify the need to torment and destroy the people in those terrible years?”
What did all this lead to? to the humiliation of the country all over the world, to terrible poverty, to the eternal lag behind the countries ahead of them ...
But we cannot be left behind: we need to protect people, give all opportunities for development, otherwise THEY (those who have prepared NOW for the jump) will not stand for a long time at the Russian border. They are preparing again nach Osten ...

[Sergej1972]

Why, then, did Stalin not introduce a system of alternative elections, say, in the early 50s?

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Quote "Krasnoyarsk"
"Repression is a punitive measure on the part of the state. That is, prosecution according to the law.
The arrest of the Arashukovs today is repression?
This word carries a negative emotional connotation, and together with the word - massive, so in general - horror.
Were there any innocent convicts? Undoubtedly. And today, when the intensity of the political struggle is much less? "

- Is NOW in RUSSIA not a democratic state? Is it not in the 1993 Constitution, drafted by Sergei Shahrai with the active participation of US civil servants, that the power of the people is promised? Let’s proceed from this ...
1. When exercising the power of the people (according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation), can we really talk about repressive measures against the people by the state? Selectively, one-time demonstration.
2. The arrest of the Arashukovs - the state’s fight against crime, the performance of a protective function. The people see too much injustice, so they made a spectacular detention - handcuffs in the State Duma Hall.
3. Is the intensity of the political struggle less today? The fact is that in the State Duma any political trends can be elected if they are supported by the people. The people did not support Yabloko in the amount they needed, they did not go to the State Duma, but they did not slip off the TV screens. And how many are currently arrested (detained)? You ask your neighbors and acquaintances who they have "sits" for politics? and the picture will become clear. And the Liberal Democratic Party and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - they are in the State Duma, but how they work, such is the return in society.

[Freeman]

CALL. (Anatoly) Today, 07:09 AM
It would be more correct to call these repressions "Yezhov's".

Well, yes, and Genrikh Yagoda did not repress anyone. He was only engaged in "reforging" at the construction site of the Belomorkanal.

Recently available materials confirm the collusion of Nikolai Yezhov, the head of the NKVD 1936-1938, with Germany. Yezhov and his high-ranking accomplices, like the “right” and Trotskyists, hoped, in the event of an invasion of Germany, Japan, or another major capitalist power, to remain in power, albeit in minions.

Yeah. The same berry was accused of

the commission of “anti-state and criminal crimes”, then also in “ties with Trotsky, Bukharin and Rykov, the organization of the Trotskyist-fascist conspiracy in the NKVD, the preparation of the attempt on Stalin and Yezhov, preparing a coup and intervention».
/wiki/

In truth, the mass executions of almost 600 people in 000-1937, mostly innocent people, were deliberately organized by Yezhov and high-ranking party nomenclature in order to sow discord among Soviet people and remove possible candidates in the upcoming elections and help Germany and Japan topple Stalin.

Contemporaries disagree with you / sarcasm /

And the enemy is wary, embittered and bitter.
Listen: villains crawl at night
Crawling along ravines, bear savages
Nagans and bombs, cholera bacilli ...
But you meet them, strong and severe
Tested in the flame of the battle of Hedgehogs.
The enemies of our lives, the enemies of millions
The Trotskyist gangs of spies crawled towards us,
Bukharinites, cunning snakes of swamps,
Nationalists embittered rabble ..
They rejoiced, carrying us fetters
But the animals fell into the traps of Yezhov.
Great Stalin's loyal friend
Yezhov tore their betrayal circle.
Disclosed snake enemy breed
Through the eyes of Yezhov, through the eyes of the people.
All poisonous hedgehogs snakes trapped
And he smoked reptiles from holes and dens.
The whole scorpion breed is defeated
Hands Yezhov - the hands of the people.
And Lenin's order, burning with fire,
Was given to you, Stalin's loyal commissar.
/ People's Commissar Yezhov (From a poem by Dzhambul, the national poet of Kazakhstan)

/

[Strategy]

Well, yes, and Genrikh Yagoda did not repress anyone. He was only engaged in "reforging" at the construction site of the Belomorkanal.

Participation in the construction of the White Sea Canal corrected many brains and made, if not outstanding, then famous and well-deserved.

[Freeman]

Quote: Strategia

Well, yes, and Genrikh Yagoda did not repress anyone. He was only engaged in "reforging" at the construction site of the Belomorkanal.

Participation in the construction of the White Sea Canal corrected many brains and made, if not outstanding, then famous and well-deserved.

Well yes. K / F "Prisoners" 1936. You can watch the final from 1:23:27

[Strategy]

Yes, for example, academician Likhachev.

[kalibr]

The akyn was able to lick, he knew what to say!

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

But the akyn sang about what his heart told him ...
It is quite possible ... and became the property of history, a witness to that Desperate Time.

[Proxima]

Quote: Z.O.V.

Why mass repressions limit 1937-38. Because the most massive repressions took place during these years. What happened before and after these years? In December 1936, the "Stalinist" constitution was adopted. This constitution introduced free alternative elections from several candidates. A huge number of party nomenklatura, regional committee secretaries, opposed this.

Because the party nomenclature was aware that the Stalin Constitution gives every citizen of the USSR the right to vote (priest, Nepman, fist, etc.) But one nuance, the person who is convicted is deprived of voting rights... Therefore, repression is not a product of Stalin. What Stalin could do was only to reduce the wave of repression (which he did). "Calm down fool .. cancer" - these words were intended not only for Khrushchev. Repression is precisely the product of the shtetl nomenclature, which feared for its assess.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Proxima (Obolensky Sergey)
- Disorders descended from the TOP, and the small-town ones, trying to curry favor, showed zeal, for which they received orders.
No need to try to make people see Evil only from below, it spread from above, enveloping the GLY of the former Russian Empire. Akyn spoke well (left in the history of irrefutable evidence) about the best and most devoted friend of Comrade Stalin -tov.Ezhov. This is indeed the testimony.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

CALL! Yours "It is more correct to call these repressions" Yezhov's ". Why mass repressions are limited to 1937-38. Because the most massive repressions took place precisely in these years."
Where did you get this?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%A3%D0%9B%D0%90%D0%93
The number of prisoners of the Gulag from 1934 to 1953 look.

[businessv]

Quote: Z.O.V.

In truth, the mass executions of almost 600 people in 000-1937, mostly innocent people, were intentionally organized by Yezhov

No wonder that period was called Hedgehogs, but I think that without the knowledge of the commander in chief it would be impossible! My grandpa and grandma. The kingdoms of heaven were repressed from the German Republic, which was in the Volga region, but even they recognized the correctness of this step taken in 1942! It was said that about 90% of the Volga Germans would become collaborators, so they relocated everyone who was sent to Siberia, mine to Kazakhstan!

[stalki]

"-repression -..." seems to me that the "liberals" and other "counter", so called the fight against corruption. and the current ones, over there, are composing about "insuperable circumstances" ..

right now, there is just not enough Stalin, the "elite" to grope. And then they turned their nose up so that they could not see anything around them. And the fifth column is underfoot like rats darting about.

[Gardamir]

not enough Stalin

Why do you need Stalin if you are praying for the modern "Trotsky"?

[stalki]

if you pray for the modern "Trotsky"?

Yeah, would be Lev Davidovich. And so ....

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

"... would be Lev Davidovich. And so ...) (stalki sergey)
- But this lapse of yours, Sergei, would be worth reading and thinking about. Do you know for what purpose Lev Bronstein sailed to the Russian Empire? Why did the capitalist militarists spend so much, assembling and sending a whole steamer with armed men in jackets and Mausers? Just think, why would America give Russia a steamer ?!

[Reptiloid]

Increase the executions that he was talking about, and the bloodiest was Khrushchev. This is an example of toadiness + cruelty + meanness afterwards.

[naidas]

Quote: stalki

Now Stalin is just missing

You would also have to set up the country's economy for 12 hours per rations. Until you raise, maybe the opinion about Stalin changes.

[major147]

Quote: Dead Day

Why were needed Stalinist repression

"-repression -..." seems to me that the "liberals" and other "counter", so called the fight against corruption. and the current ones, over there, are composing about "insuperable circumstances" ..

It seems to me that a wave of screeching about "Putin's repression" is gaining momentum. The cleaned-up money spent a lot of money, and the workers of the "second oldest profession" will write their mother's name for the stolen "silver coins" under Khokhloma.

[nekromonger]

Do you seriously think that we are fighting corruption?

[nekromonger]

and Putin is not a contra for you?

[Vend]

There was no other way to revive Russia.

In a different way, Soviet Russia was already following this NEP, But what happened didn’t differ much from the Russian Empire + theft reached enormous scope. This had to be fought. But poverty did not disappear, it was right up to the collapse of the USSR.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Dead Day

Why were needed Stalinist repression

"-repression -..." seems to me that the "liberals" and other "counter", so called the fight against corruption. and the current ones, over there, are composing about "insuperable circumstances" ..

\
***
It seems to me that you need to work with the lists of the repressed ... http: //lists.memo.ru/index2.htm Open, see for yourself:
The author of the article is Samsonov Alexander. Samsonov Alexandrov repressed 25 people .... well, and what corrupt officials: workers, peasants, fists, priests, intellectuals, literate and illiterate ...
Nonsense that corrupt.

[kiprei]

Anyone who disagrees with the actions of federal or local authorities can easily fall under the repressive apparatus. Example: in Rostov, two years ago, an entire district of the city burned to the ground, they said that representatives of construction companies set fire to land for building and the governor said that whoever wants to leave the land for himself should be left, but in the end no one was allowed to settle there, someone was indignant, went out with a banner, return the land to the fire victims and then they planted him, so getting under repression is very easy, you just have to go outside with a banner.

[lucul]

Stalin was able to seize control of the country from the Zionists, having previously thinned their ranks.
They will never forgive him for this.

[kepmor]

the Zionists took revenge back in the distant year 85 ... and still rule in Russia ...
read carefully the book "From the First Person" ... there are many interesting facts and photos ...
those capable of analytical thinking can have a captivating solitaire ...

[To be or not to be]

kepmor (Alexey) Today, 06:08 the Zionists took revenge back in 85. ?? ""

"As the prophetic Oleg is now going to take revenge on the unreasonable khozars, Their villages and fields for a violent raid. He condemned to swords and fires;"
A.S. Pushkin. Poems. "Song of the prophetic Oleg"

[ver_]

..the little one didn’t - * his companions * preempted him .. Human life was never appreciated by those in power .. A man was shot or killed - two fingers on the asphalt - and nothing personal .. There was no need for a direct instruction, words to the point don’t * sew *, ..

[Fevralsk. Morev]

If we Russians do not succeed, even our fault is to blame for the Jews. Stop talking nonsense about the Zionists.

[Back]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

If we Russians do not succeed, even our fault is to blame for the Jews. Stop talking nonsense about the Zionists.

No, why, let them bear it. You can’t imagine how this nonsense is read from far away. And so it is quoted. Yours faithfully

[horlet]

What are you? You read what the Zionists themselves write about themselves! I will not list the list of authors here, you will find it yourself on the net! Volodya "Solovechik" recently said that "Maskva" was founded by the Jew Musk and the Khazars founded "Kuev", and the Slavs came to the Dnieper after the Jews!

[horlet]

This is your Gussky - Russ is to blame! Nationality of modern rulers and oligarchs of the CIS to the Studio! In Kazakhstan, a column with a nationality in the International Passport was left! For a man who does not have a nationality is Mankrut and is despised in Asia!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Do you believe in this dregs yourself? Are there any facts?

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

And what is clever uttered something, Vitaly? Do you approve?
Too much blood in the hands of Stalin and his servants Yagoda and Yezhov.
Read at least the "testimony" of akyn Dzhambul Dzhambaev.
He already described everything, depicted it in an artistic word. And here, in some, there is a passage that is more than sufficient. Or you can find a separate poem about Yezhov, on whose chest the Order of Lenin shone for "merit" ..

[Pessimist22]

It is clear now that Vavilov was from the fifth column, he wanted to introduce GMOs into agriculture and destroy Soviet citizens, and Gumilyov wrote seditious things in general, so the "father" solved them. Korolev and Tupolev were just pests, 10 years of camps were enough.

[210ox]

By the way, Korolev and Tupolev went on economic clauses, on embezzlement. That in today's realities looks just ridiculous. Probably because there is no "Stalin on many" ... And what they wanted, discipline should take place, and at that time it was justified.

[Pessimist22]

Yes, you are ready to justify any crimes for the sake of your idol. Pests is a political article for your information.

[naidas]

You this, read the Queen case - they gave a term for embezzlement.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

ss

Quote: naidas

You this, read the Queen case - they gave a term for embezzlement.

Near the Shnr-Khan, a juvenile jackal Tabaki was spinning ...
and shouted: "And we are going to the North! And" we are going to the North! ...

[businessv]

Quote: Pessimist22

Yes, you are ready to justify any crimes for the sake of your idol.

What does the idol have to do with it, or not? We are just expressing our opinion about the article! In my opinion, the article is good, about a man who left the Great Country, his personal boots, and his military uniform. Give an example of a modern ruler with such an asset?

[d1975]

Dmitry, at that time they said that there would be a man, but there is a matter! Many people simply died innocent! My grandmother’s husband got into article 58, political. The hut was confiscated, and the mother and three children were kicked out in the cold! It’s good that the neighbor bought their housing and they returned to live there. There were terrible things, there were. Many were right, but even one innocent death from repression does not give rise to the resurrection of Stalin! Our people, as always, are consumables, even after many years. Yes, he did a lot of tyrants for the country, but how many he killed, how many simply died because they were different. And do not paint someone here, first of all, it is the fate of people. The reading of personnel in the army came sideways in 41, the Germans, by the way, skillfully used this. Stalin, as it turned out, was primarily morally unprepared for war. The advantage on the side of the enemy was on the face, many prisoners became precisely for ideological reasons. How did the leadership relate to people who visited the territory occupied by the enemy for at least a couple of hours? But what about stick attacks on the enemy? And by the way, my grandfather got 25! For his beliefs about the collective farm, but he was right and lived to see the collapse of this particular farm. The war, by the way, saved him, a penal battalion, then served with a divisional commander, knew how to handle horses, (a Cossack by blood, fought from 14 with Shkuro!). He went through the whole war, but he didn’t lose his convictions. But Stalin’s page must be correctly evaluated in history and that’s all, enough white and red, Russia all have one!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: d1975

Many were right, but even one innocent death from repression does not give rise to the resurrection of Stalin!

No, well, are you a normal person? Did Stalin institute criminal proceedings against them? Stalin led the investigation? Stalin was the chairman of the court and sentenced?
All this was done by investigators, the prosecutor's office and the court with the connivance of lawyers.
Putin today is much responsible for the actions of all of the above?
Stalin signed, or rather approved, court decisions on particularly significant convicts. But these were court decisions, not his decisions. And in the places of lawlessness was no less than today. Will you argue?

[kalibr]

The good king did not know anything, of course!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Stalin personally signed the execution lists. And I knew all the statistics. What pan are such servants. Everyone hesitated along with the party line!

[pru-pavel]

“APPROPRIATE CONCLUSION in the investigation case No. 19908 on charges of Sergey Pavlovich Korolev under Art. 58-7; 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.
On June 28, 1938, the NKVD of the USSR for belonging to the Trotskyite, wrecking organization operating in the research institute No. 3 (NKB of the USSR), the former engineer of the said institute Sergey Pavlovich was arrested and prosecuted.
During the investigation, Korolev found himself guilty of the fact that he was involved in the Trotskyite-wrecking organization in 1935 by the former technical director of research institute No. 3 Langemak (convicted).
On the instructions of the anti-Soviet organization, Korolev carried out wrecking work to disrupt the development and commissioning of new weapons of the Red Army
(ld 21-35, 53-55; 66-67, 238-239).

By the decision of the Military College of the Supreme Court of the USSR of 27 on September 1938, Korolev was sentenced to 10 years of imprisonment.
On June 13, 1939, the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the USSR overturned the verdict of the Military College of the Supreme Court of the USSR, and the investigation on charges of Korolev was transferred to a new investigation (see separate file of the trial).
During the re-investigation, Korolev showed that the testimony given to him during the investigation in 1938 was untrue and false (ld 153-156).
However, Korolev is exposed in the case materials of the investigation and documentary evidence that:
In 1936, he led the development of a powder winged torpedo; knowing in advance that the main parts of this torpedo — devices with photocells — for controlling a torpedo and aiming it at a target cannot be manufactured by the central wire communication laboratory, Korolev, in order to load the institute with unnecessary work, intensively led the development of the missile part of this torpedo in 2 versions .
As a result of this test, four torpedoes built by Korolev showed their complete unsuitability, which caused damage to the state in the amount of 120 rubles and delayed the development of other, more relevant topics (ld 000-250).
In 1937, during the development of the side compartment of the torpedo (winged), he made a wrecking calculation, as a result of which the research work on the creation of the torpedo was disrupted (ld 23-24, 256).
Artificially delayed the production and testing of defense facilities (object 212) (ld 21, 54, 255).

Where is the frustration here?

and by the way

According to his statement to the Military Prosecutor’s Office dated May 30, 1955, he was rehabilitated “for lack of corpus delicti” on April 18, 1957 [16] [17].

Well, according to Tupolev

October 21, 1937 A.N. Tupolev was arrested on charges of sabotage, belonging to a counter-revolutionary organization. Along with him, many leading experts from TsAGI and OKB, directors of most aircraft factories, were arrested. On May 28, 1940, he was sentenced by the VKVS of the USSR to 15 years in prison. He was accused of creating a wrecking organization that handed over blueprints of aircraft to foreign intelligence. According to the testimony of the Chief Air Marshal A.E. Golovanov, in a conversation with him I.V. Stalin said that he did not believe in Tupolev's guilt. The incriminating facts considered by the investigation had nothing to do with the content of the sentence (the case was conducted by Gabitov, an employee of the 2nd Investigation Department of the NKVD). While in custody, he worked in the closed design bureau of the NKVD - TsKB-29 ("Tupolev Sharaga"). In July 1941, he was released from further serving of sentence with the removal of a criminal record. Tupolev was completely rehabilitated on April 9, 1955 [5].

Where is the frustration here? What money did he spend, and most importantly, WHAT did he spend it on?

[chenia]

Quote: pru-pavel

Where is the frustration here? What money did he spend, and most importantly, WHAT did he spend it on?

While there was a group of engineers working for nothing - Langemak, the Queen and her comrades did not touch. And the institute appeared on state funding, and after a bunch of promises and projections, for a couple of years they could only give out an imperfect projectile (130 and 82) with an assertive dispersion, I had to answer for the cut. And there they fell on each other.
Well, Tupolev too. slightly decided to improve his material. for treasury bills.

The principle is that previous merit does not work.

[pru-pavel]

Then why the charges of sabotage, counter-revolution. Trotskyism? Or are you just throwing away the facts that do not fit into your point of view? And why if they sawed the money and the prosecution is fair, then they were acquitted, rehabilitated, and all charges were dropped?

[naidas]

Quote: pru-pavel

Then why the charges of sabotage, counter-revolution. Trotskyism?

Then it was accepted — stole and frustrated the plan — why? I need to somehow explain.
Then every thief of any suit is an enemy of the state, and therefore political.

Based on the foregoing, accused
KOROLEV SERGEY PAVLOVICH, born in 1906,
harvest. mountains Zhytomyr, Russian, Mr. USSR, non-partisan,
before his arrest - engineer NII-3 NKB USSR,
in that:
from 1935 of the year he was a member of the Trotskyist wrecker organization, on the instructions of which he conducted criminal work at the NII-3 to disrupt the development and commissioning of new types of weapons, i.e. in crimes of Article.Article. 58-7, 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.

He pleaded guilty, but subsequently refused his testimony.

It is exposed by testimonies: Kleimenov, Langemak, Glushko; witness statements; Smirnov, Rokhmachev, Kostikov, Shitov, Efremov, Bukin, Dushkin and acts of expert commissions.

Quote: pru-pavel

why if they sawed the money and the prosecution is fair, then they were acquitted, rehabilitated, and all the charges were dropped?

And you yourself don’t guess, the necessity and necessity of these people, they closed their eyes. They wouldn’t be needed, they worked out the stolen goods in the zone.

[pru-pavel]

Well, where does the need come from? Do you think if they were not rehabilitated they would not work? Yes, they worked even in sharaga while in jail and serving their sentences. And in the wild, without withdrawing the charges, they would have worked even more so.

[naidas]

Quote: pru-pavel

Well, where does the need come from? Do you think if they were not rehabilitated they would not work?

Of course, they worked, not only in Moscow, but in Kolyma, at the Maldyak gold mine of the Western Mining Administration, in the so-called “common work.” (This is about the Queen)

[pru-pavel]

Again you are wrong.

Korolev was convicted by the Military College of the Supreme Court of the USSR on September 27, 1938, the charge: art. 58-7, 11. Sentence: 10 years in prison, 5 years in rights. On June 1940, 8, the term was reduced to 1944 years in prison, released in 30. According to his statement to the Military Prosecutor’s Office dated May 1955, 18, he was rehabilitated “for lack of corpus delicti” on April 1957, 16 [17] [XNUMX].

He was released already in 44 two years earlier than the shortened term, and he was rehabilitated only after 13 years. And in any way, the lack of rehabilitation did not prevent him from working in the wild all these 13 years, and at the same time he worked all this time in profile, as well as in the zone in Tupolevskoy Sharag.

[Olgovich]

Quote: 210ox

By the way, Korolev and Tupolev went on economic issues, on embezzlement.

They are rehabilitated.

[Antares]

Quote: 210ox

By the way, Korolev and Tupolev went on economic issues, on embezzlement. What in the current realities look just ridiculous

June 7, 1938 Sergei Korolev was arrested. He was accused of the most difficult political article - the 58th, on two counts:
58-7 - "Undermining of state industry <...>, committed for counter-revolutionary purposes through the appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises, or opposition to their normal activities" -
and 58-11 - "All kinds of organizational activities aimed at preparing or committing crimes provided for in this chapter
The future General Designer was accused of being a member of the Trotskyist sabotage organization since 1935, carrying out criminal work to disrupt the development and commissioning of new types of weapons by the Red Army, i.e. in the crimes of Art. 58-7, 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. Both points are for execution. So the sentence, which Korolev, s / k 1442, learned about in Butyrka prison, at that time can be called "mild": ten years in prison with a political defeat for five years and with confiscation of property.
After eight months in the Novocherkassk transit prison, the 31-year-old "enemy of the people" was sent on June 1, 1939 under a convoy to the Far East.

Korolev was sent not to the closed SHARAGU KB, but first to the prison, where his jaw was broken during interrogations, which later caused his death (during the operation they could not put his tube in for ventilation), and then to the camp in Kolyma. And he got to SHARAGU already from the camp, it was lucky that the sitting Tupolev was the head of the diploma project with him and pulled him out of Kolyma to SHARAGU.
And so they did with Glushko, Tupolev and many others ... but many were simply shot ...
And now they are justifying, wood chips are flying ...
But Glushko and Korolev might not have returned ... and there would have been no space and engines .. Their leader was then shot immediately. Kostikov taunted everyone ... (In early January 1938, Kleimenov and Langemak were shot for participating in an anti-Soviet Trotskyist organization and for wrecking, which consisted of slowing down the development of promising weapons.)
all geniuses under execution ... excellent policy ..
That is, the competition between the geniuses was replaced with random Russian roulette.

[chenia]

According to the memoirs of the outstanding Soviet test pilot M. M. Gromov, "the arrests occurred because aircraft designers wrote denunciations to each other, each praised its own plane and drowned the other." A similar thing happened in other areas and acquired the character of an epidemic among creative, scientific intelligentsia. Some circles are embraced by real psychosis. People themselves "drowned" each other.

Quote: Antares

But Glushko and Korolev might not have returned .. and there would have been no space and engines ..

Would be. because it was Stalin. And there would be other names.
Glushko was a genius. And Korolev is a great organizer. And things went with the engines after the war, from sense after meeting with the FAU-2.

The jet research institute filled up all the topics, and during the debriefing, everyone began to write on each other. And the showdown between the "Leningrad" and "Moscow" groups.
Sergei Pavlovich Korolev sat down on a denunciation. This denunciation was written by the chief engineer of the Jet Research Institute (RNII) Georgy Langemak (protege of Tukhachevsky). Being arrested after his patron, he, saving his skin, began to drown his colleagues. In addition, the former head of the Research Institute, Ivan Kleimenov (also a protege of Tukhachevsky), with whom Sergei Pavlovich did not get along, was still writing to Korolev, while still being his deputy.

[Antares]

Quote: chenia

And the showdown between the "Leningrad" and "Moscow" groups.
Sergei Pavlovich Korolev sat down on a denunciation. This denunciation was written by the chief engineer of the Jet Research Institute (RNII) Georgy Langemak (protege of Tukhachevsky). Being arrested after his patron, he, saving his skin, began to drown his colleagues. In addition, the former head of the Research Institute, Ivan Kleimenov (also a protege of Tukhachevsky), with whom Sergei Pavlovich did not get along, was still writing to Korolev, while still being his deputy.

Kostikov against Langemak and Kleimenov. Korolev and Glushko tried to distance themselves there. But failed
Kostikov on Langemak and Kleimenov and vice versa wrote denunciations. The party of Kostikov won. The losers were shot. During interrogation under torture, Langemak slandered a couple more. Korolev did not appear. First Glushko, and then they came for Korolev.
And that’s all! Further blind fate and Stalin had nothing to do with it! The Queen everywhere was waiting only for death, he managed to survive only thanks to luck, chance and Tupolev.
Stalin "helped" him a lot. Find himself in the balance of death and sentencing him to early death due to torture and a broken jaw.
I can not forgive this system for the killing of scientists and inventors! No excuses and goals are worth it. People who have greatly benefited the country and humanity have been allowed to go under the knife. Humanity could lose people who moved people forward to the stars. And their fate was decided by ugly primates with torture and executions ... And now they are justified, they built Kitezh ...
How can one justify such a system?
I understand that humanity has always been driven by violence and the desire to get something, but here violence simply overshadows a reasonable framework.

[chenia]

Quote: Antares

I understand that humanity has always been driven by violence and the desire to get something, but here violence simply overshadows a reasonable framework.

You search in the search engine -Oleg Lavrentiev- and see what was done. As the talented (then still a student) great scientific nuclear scientists dealt with (well, they didn’t kill naturally). And this is already Stalin and Beria, too.
And when was it that a simple soldier wrote a letter to the minister and they reacted like that?
This is the approach to personnel, and this is where the success comes from.
But how poorly and vilely did the luminaries of science manifest themselves.
And what a jar of spiders were scientific teams. And when there was no success, and the money was missed (and the times were strict, people took the penultimate penny — all for defense), here was everyone for himself, blaming everyone else.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: chenia

You search in the search engine -Oleg Lavrentiev- and see what was done. As the talented (then still a student) great scientific nuclear scientists dealt with (well, they didn’t kill naturally). And this is already Stalin and Beria, too.

Well, thanks to the "executioners" Stalin and Beria, he became a student at Moscow State University, got an apartment, lifting. And the great Sakharov stole the idea of ​​creating a hydrogen bomb from him.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: chenia

The jet research institute filled up all the topics, and during the debriefing, everyone began to write on each other. And the showdown between the "Leningrad" and "Moscow" groups.
Sergei Pavlovich Korolev sat down on a denunciation. This denunciation was written by the chief engineer of the Jet Research Institute (RNII) Georgy Langemak (protege of Tukhachevsky). Being arrested after his patron, he, saving his skin, began to drown his colleagues. In addition, the former head of the Research Institute, Ivan Kleimenov (also a protege of Tukhachevsky), with whom Sergei Pavlovich did not get along, was still writing to Korolev, while still being his deputy.

And, of course, Stalin is to blame for all this !!!

[kalibr]

Of course! To the first gingerbread, the first whip!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: kalibr

Of course! To the first gingerbread, the first whip!

Beautiful words, not necessarily the right words.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Stalin with his clique-secretariat created that terrible atmosphere in which the "broth" was cooked. People rushed about, they were forced to even slander their comrades through terrible torture. This is a misfortune, a grief of a society that has been affected by parasitic worms ...

[ccsr]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

This is a misfortune, the grief of a society that has been hit by parasitic worms ...

Well then, tell us in more detail why the society, afflicted with "parasitic worms", had unprecedented labor enthusiasm during the first five-year plans, and massive heroism during the Great Patriotic War. Something I do not see now in the era of "enlightened" Russian capitalism of such phenomena - apparently not in the "worms" of Soviet society, since the people are one and the same ...

[kalibr]

And what a bank with spiders were research teams. And when there was no success, and the money was missed (and the times were strict, the penultimate penny was taken away from people, all on defense), everyone was there for himself, blaming everyone elseThe delightful heirs to the work of Lenin and the loyal Stalinists, the builders of communism!

[chenia]

Quote: kalibr

The delightful heirs to the work of Lenin and the loyal Stalinists, the builders of communism!

What is so, such a dull and wretched conclusion (and who broadcasts is a former fighter of the ideological front, and you understand the reason for his breakthrough and collapse).

Her!
The classics of the genre are Mozart and Salieri. (And at all times, and in all lands).

[kalibr]

Quote: chenia

you understand the reason for his breakthrough and collapse).

I also think that people are to blame.

[ver_]

... * let it be to you .., the head is cracking .. * ..

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

210okv (Dmitry)
"There is no" Stalin for many ".. And what they wanted, discipline should take place, and at that time it was completely justified."
1. And "what did you want"? Yes, so that there is no nightmare that the Russian people went through under the leadership of "two Falcons"!
2. "Was it justified at the time"?
Cruelty, the destruction of people can not be justified! What kind of slave psychology, Dmitry? Since it was authorized from above, then it was right. Try to remove the shading glasses of Time, peer into the distance, into the past, see grief and groans ...

[mole]

Korolev and Tupolev are so simple pests

But they did not pour mud on Stalin. Although they could. Why?

[stalki]

But they did not pour mud on Stalin. Although they could. Why?

Yes, because they understood that all this was a necessity. The smartest people were.

[kalibr]

Were glad that we remained alive ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: stalki

But they did not pour mud on Stalin. Although they could. Why?

Yes, because they understood that all this was a necessity. The smartest people were.

Because they felt guilty for themselves.

[kalibr]

No normal person feels guilty. Always blame others!

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

No normal person feels guilty. Always blame others!

This is a classic with which you can blame anyone, but not yourself.
By the way, many of the current fighters against Putin shouted "down with the KPSS" more than anyone else, and now they whine that they have not become millionaires.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

"Because they felt guilty about themselves" (Krasnoyarsk)

-Because they understood that it was EARLY AND USELESS to speak.
Who would understand them then? They could only receive them by the next deadline.
After 1953, how many years have passed? Khrushchev organized new repressions,
And you all argue, blocking the RIGHT to homicide! you cannot and do not want to cease to be slaves of men, but shout what the Bible says about the servants of God ...
And those who (thanks to friendship and communication with Him) were able to rise above the circumstances, Christ called "FRIENDS".
But slavery, many who consider themselves free, have not outlived themselves, it holds tight, not allowing straighten your back.

[AUL]

Quote: Mole

Korolev and Tupolev are so simple pests

But they did not pour mud on Stalin. Although they could. Why?

If you had sat on a political article in Kolyma, you would have discouraged talking "for politics" for a long time!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Pessimist22

It is clear now that Vavilov was from the fifth column, he wanted to introduce GMOs into agriculture and destroy Soviet citizens, and Gumilyov wrote seditious things in general, so the "father" solved them. Korolev and Tupolev were just pests, 10 years of camps were enough.

PEOPLE is not trash, from which something can be "cleaned. They are the same CITIZENS of the country, as well as" cleaners ".

The overwhelming majority of the repressed are reaibilitated, and extrajudicial killings are condemned by the legislation of Russia.

There has never been such a number of executed internal "enemies" anywhere.

[Antares]

Quote: Olgovich

The overwhelming majority of the repressed are reaibilitated, and extrajudicial killings are condemned by the legislation of Russia.

how many geniuses and minds were lost .. how many years were taken from the geniuses who survived ..
the same selection for the worst - negative selection.
I don’t understand the author ... well, I’ll condemn here I take into account here. But for him, even geniuses are nothing. And the people in general. The main thing is Kitezh !! Bright Russia ...
It was a terrible time of change in consciousness and society. Today you are alive, tomorrow there is no and regardless of merit, genius, regalia - your fate is led by an illiterate investigator who breaks your jaw, even if you bring world fame and benefit to your country in the future, you risk dying if you accidentally did not help.
That was such a system. At the same time, they could exalt a genius from the people (perhaps not for long, before the execution), and shoot the necessary and important scientists, specialists and other personnel.

[d1975]

You are right, I agree with you, and even if they hang up the banner, when at last many will begin to think here. The minus is to put this one, write and realize the truth is another. The fact that Stalin is primarily evil, and fasting is different! One old man told me so, being almost there. That they did not start to beat the Germans until they themselves killed each other. And let the rest of the toadies be ashamed. These are unpatriots, these are the traitors who suddenly become Vlasovs or someone else! And how are we different from dill ?????

[ver_]

... the mechanic-sweeper said to me-mechanic in 1975 * .. the time will come and you will learn a lot .... learn about Lenin .. This time has come and I learned a lot about this bastard and the bastard .... *

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Olgovich

The overwhelming majority of the repressed are reaibilitated, and extrajudicial killings are condemned by the legislation of Russia.

This is what finger you sucked it from?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Pessimist22

It is clear now that Vavilov was from the fifth column, he wanted to introduce GMOs into agriculture and destroy Soviet citizens, and Gumilyov wrote seditious things in general, so the "father" solved them. Korolev and Tupolev were just pests, 10 years of camps were enough.

I won’t talk about the Queen - I don’t know. But Tupolev distinguished himself - he was sent at the head of the delegation to the United States to select the type of aircraft we needed. They were there for a long time, the whole delegation returned with a huge number of suitcases with belongings, and they brought the blueprints, understandably not for nothing, only then all the design bureaus had to recount them to our system of measures for half a year. This is only one episode.
Putin would not pay attention today - just think, lard there, lard here. And Vissarionovich did not squander the people's money and did not give it to others. And who did not understand this, he stroked the head. Someone in the "Gulag", and someone in the "sharashka".

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But Vissarionovich did not squander the people's money and did not give it to others.

Tupolev is fully rehabilitated.
Those. all accusations are bullshit.

[Antares]

Quote: Olgovich

Tupolev is fully rehabilitated.
Those. all accusations are bullshit.

if it weren’t for Tupolev, there would be no one to pull Korolev out of the clutches of death, the USSR would have remained without the Civil Code.
Tupolev pulled out the Queen, Glushko and many. Although he himself suffered.
This man must be erected a monument twice ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Olgovich

Tupolev is fully rehabilitated.
Those. all accusations are bullshit.

I agree with this - all the allegations are groundless, and were most likely a consequence of the actions of envious people, which, incidentally, is not uncommon in the scientific community.

[Cetron]

Here, some people are ready to rehabilitate Vlasov, and Aloizovich (he was also defending himself from Stalin’s preemptive strike).
Rehabilitation of the enemies of the people: this is a sabotage of the enemy of Soviet power Khrushchev.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Oh and MGLA in your brain, gr. cetron (Peter).
Here you can’t rake the biggest shovel!
What does Vlasov have to do with it, he is from another OPERA, he is from traitors, obvious. And you also remembered the phrase - a preventive strike. Thanks to V.V. Putin, every word is remembered, right?
Are you not one of the descendants of those who served in the camp guard?

[Cetron]

No, of those who were destroyed on the spot and put in concentration camps for destruction. And also of those who fought to death with a brown infection. My father survived the 36th born, the mother of the 41st born, mother's grandmother and mother's uncle, was discharged due to injury and disability in the autumn of 1944. For me, the enemies that the external, that the internal are the same, are subject to destruction. Pity and forgiveness go sideways.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Olgovich

Tupolev is fully rehabilitated.
Those. all accusations are bullshit.

Under the political order, whoever needs to be rehabilitated. This is the first. And the second - Crimes of the past cannot be viewed from the perspective of today. For example, speculation was a crime before, today it is private enterprise.

[horlet]

They were shot? No! Why didn’t they shot him? Having answered this question, you yourself will understand that it’s not so unambiguous in the repressions! Nikolai Gumilyov should not be attributed here! He died back in 1921 for allegedly participating in a conspiracy! Stalin has no direct relation to his execution! Although his Son Leo sipped grief! The name of Lev Gumilyov is the Eurasian University in Kazakhstan! Nazarbayev took his Eurasianism from Gumilyov, and Vova, as always, stole and passed off as his own!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: horlet

Gumilyov Nikolai does not need to be attributed here!

Well, let's assign Pasha-Mercedes that he was poisoned from fly agaric.

[krops777]

This label (Stalin's repressions) was hung on Comrade Stalin, although most of the repressions were by no means arranged by Stalin and this was a scientific fact, but by the same Yagoda and later Yezhov who, by the fullness of power, were at least equal to Stalin, only after the defeat of the fifth column in 37- 38 years old, Stalin began to possess all power.

[stalki]

You don’t need to rave and refer to a science that you do not know.

You would also return to reality

[kalibr]

You do not know which way the doors open in the archives, and there you can write comments.

[wooja]

correctly noted, until 1939, Stalin was only one of many ...., he did not pull the dictator and tyrant, there were no powers ... and posts, the leadership in the party and country was collective.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: krops777

This label (Stalin's repressions) was hung on Comrade Stalin, although most of the repressions were by no means arranged by Stalin and this was a scientific fact, but by the same Yagoda and later Yezhov who, by the fullness of power, were at least equal to Stalin, only after the defeat of the fifth column in 37- 38 years old, Stalin began to possess all power.

Stalin began to possess full power only in 1941. And not before.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

..... Stalin began to possess full power only in 1941. And not before.

It seems to me that during the USSR nothing was said at all, nothing was written about the processes within the party before the Second World War. So, some common phrases. For example, the elders say nothing about Stalin, as if there was none, as well as about Beria. Somehow bypassed.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Reptiloid

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

..... Stalin began to possess full power only in 1941. And not before.

It seems to me that during the USSR nothing was said at all, nothing was written about the processes within the party before the Second World War. So, some common phrases. For example, the elders say nothing about Stalin, as if there was none, as well as about Beria. Somehow bypassed.

What does it have to do with it? You know very well that Stalin was elected in 41 and the Chairman of the GKO and Sov.Mina. Ver.Sov. only stayed with Kalinin. But the Armed Forces during the war did not solve anything significant. So, almost all the fullness of power, despite the fact that both GKO and Sov.Min. were advisory bodies, all power was concentrated in the hands of Stalin. And that was right. It could not be otherwise.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Reptiloid

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

..... Stalin began to possess full power only in 1941. And not before.

It seems to me that under the USSR nothing was said at all, nothing was written about the processes within the party before the Second World War.

What does this have to do with it ?.

Despite the fact that there were no details, they tried to hide everything. And the details about Sverdlov and Trotsky’s revolts, and even now it’s not very known .... I have older relatives ---- party workers, however, I didn’t talk much with my grandfather, I left. But my grandmother 3 years ago just left, with a wit of mind and a solid memory, and I talked a lot with her when at school and then. All about that time and about repressions were hidden when they were, who did what, and then once-- - Stalin is to blame for everything !!!!!!
Here's what I wanted to say. It's all about Stalin's slander. And pulling an owl.
Because it was Stalin who made the country strong. If all its projects were completed, the country would be stronger than the states, the nuclear legacy, the hydrogen bomb are all from it. Also, industry, infrastructure, education. Also an indication of space, Stalin signed the creation of a working group. Although realized without him

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Reptiloid

Here's what I wanted to say. It's all about Stalin's slander. And pulling an owl.
Because it was Stalin who made the country strong. If all its projects were completed, the country would be stronger than the states, the nuclear legacy, the hydrogen bomb are all from it. Also, industry, infrastructure, education. Also an indication of space, Stalin signed the creation of a working group. Although realized without him

Absolutely agree with you.
Well, you yourself think about how it could fit in "Pravda" the message that - "over the past month, repressed ...", etc.? Well, this is complete nonsense.
And there were discussions in the party apparatus. And Pravda published articles and speeches on these controversial issues. And in the magazine "Communist" and other party publications. For fun, take a look. And in Stalin's PSS there are many answers to controversial questions.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Reptiloid

Here's what I wanted to say. It's all about Stalin's slander. And pulling an owl.
Because it was Stalin who made the country strong. If all its projects were completed, the country would be stronger than the states, the nuclear legacy, the hydrogen bomb are all from it. Also, industry, infrastructure, education. Also an indication of space, Stalin signed the creation of a working group. Although realized without him

I absolutely agree with you ........ And there were discussions in the party apparatus. And Pravda published articles and speeches on these controversial issues. And in the magazine "Communist" and other party publications. For fun, take a look. And in Stalin's PSS there are many answers to controversial questions.

You know, it’s somehow difficult for me to do this, I’ve tried it since I came to the site. Time passed, but it didn’t get better. I only understood one newspaper with the speech of Stalin. And so ---- I don’t understand any names or positions at all. But I don’t understand many Soviet films. Although cartoons and Soviet songs with words (all different topics and contents) ---- I understand and love. I sometimes have thoughts — suddenly, after a few years, in general, no one will understand anything about the USSR, nor about the Revolution, nor about anything?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Reptiloid

You know, it’s somehow difficult for me to do this, I’ve tried it since I came to the site. Time passed, but it didn’t get better. I only understood one newspaper with the speech of Stalin. And so ---- I don’t understand any names or positions at all. But I don’t understand many Soviet films. Although cartoons and Soviet songs with words (all different topics and contents) ---- I understand and love. I sometimes have thoughts — suddenly, after a few years, in general, no one will understand anything about the USSR, nor about the Revolution, nor about anything?

In order to understand about the USSR and about the Revolution, it is advisable to read the materials of the party congresses, stenographic reports. Very exciting reading for people interested. You, learning from the verbatim records who said what, who suggested what. What decisions were made on specific issues, feel the spirit of the times. Feel the full intensity of the political struggle. And of course the primary sources. No other is given. And don't read any "dissertations" on the subject. They will lead you into such a jungle.

[Reptiloid]

Thanks, of course, only, apparently it will not work out for me soon.

[kalibr]

I wrote to you how much - open newspapers of that time ...

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

And let me ask you two questions.
1. When did the "leader" Lenin-Ulyanov die?
2. When was Lev Bronstein-Trotsky sent abroad?
3. That's it. There were no other candidates for power.

[Karenas]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

... When did the "leader" Lenin-Ulyanov die?

I'm interfering here ... Thanks to Stalin for keeping the bald Intourist on a leash for a year, with house arrest ...

[Freeman]

krops777 (Alexey) Today, 05:50
most of the repressions were by no means arranged by Stalin and this is a scientific fact, but by the same Berry and later Yezhov

Again the "good tsar" who does not know what the "evil boyars" are doing.
Oh well...

[Fevralsk. Morev]

The state is not a country. The state is an apparatus, a system of governing the country. There is such a legend, the French king Louis, I do not remember the serial number, said: the state is me. In the sense that he is the king, he heads the apparatus (system) of governing the country, and civil servants are his subordinates, for whom the head of state is responsible. I am a Stalinist. I wear a badge depicting Stalin on my clothes; his portrait is hanging in my house. But I say: Stalinist repressions and Stalin is to blame for them. He did not build a system of justice in the country, did not control the situation, and appointed the hedgehog as a public servant. Stalin is responsible. Socrates is my friend, but truth is more precious. And let me be banned for insulting my beloved Putin, I’ll say: all that is negative in our country is corruption, a recession in the economy, impoverishment of the people — THE GUILT GUIDE OF THE STATE.

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = February.Morev But I say: Stalinist repressions and Stalin is to blame for them. He did not build a system of justice in the country, did not control the situation, and appointed the hedgehog as a public servant. Stalin is responsible. [/ quote]
Here the key should be the answer to the question - Stalin could not (failed during this period) build a justice system in the country and control the situation or did not want to? What did Stalin have to devote more time to building a system of justice, or industrialization, collectivization, etc., etc., etc.?

[d1975]

Thank you for such a bold answer, where did the fish you wrote go out. I will not ban you or praise you, the truth is really more expensive. Truth is the truth!

[d1975]

Well, read those educational program to us, how did Koba come to power?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: d1975

Well, read those educational program to us, how did Koba come to power?

Do you still not know? Oh woe to me, woe!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Do not repeat the nonsense: Yagoda and Yezhov are Stalin’s proteges, conductors of the party’s line.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Lieutenant Colonel, because it’s hard to constantly work on yourself.
The Stalinists froze, they do not want and are even afraid to push off from that "sent": then there will be many questions to which an answer must be sought. And the answers can be very unpleasant.
Therefore, the smartest people of the planet are accused of wrecking here (Tupolev, Korolev and other construction scientists), not having the ability to pull up and lift up due to the gravity of the Earth in order to see and understand that IT WAS GENIUS, which were destroyed simply by ghouls with fists.

[ccsr]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

Therefore, here the most intelligent people of the planet are accused of sabotage

I consider KK Rokosovsky the most outstanding commander of the Great Patriotic War, and I put his talent above the rest of the Soviet military commanders. I have a simple question - do you even know why he was in prison before the war and how much it was justified before telling tales about how Stalin personally killed Soviet scientists.
The fact that they were credited with fictitious accusations does not mean that they were innocent angels. I recommend studying the activities of Tukhachevsky as Deputy People's Commissar for Armaments in order to understand how some "innocent" convicts harmed the country with their adventures:

Everything seems to be simple and even trite: the adventurous inventor involved the gullible and enthusiastic marshal in the implementation of his technical adventures. but I believe that the situation is somewhat different. The fact that in Kurchchevka undoubted inventive talent was combined with fantastic adventurism is undoubted. But a marshal invested with enormous power over hundreds of thousands of people should be more cautious in approaching the ideas of a man who had already been burned up on dubious adventures (remember the story of a helicopter?). But the marshal, obsessed with ambition, not only did not do this, but even when the errors became apparent, instead of correcting them, he took the path of concealment first and then even more serious crimes. And therefore, we can rightly say that:
It was not the engineer Kurchevsky who killed Marshal Tukhachevsky, but the marshal Tukhachevsky killed the engineer Kurchevsky.
and many more other people.

https://katmoor.livejournal.com/150417.html

[Karenas]

Yezhov was promoted upstairs by Moskvin ... And, as I understand it, through his bed ...

[Fevralsk. Morev]

Samsonov Alexander in his repertoire. A lot of pseudo-Slavic and pseudo-Orthodox empty. The title of the article does not apply to the words written in the article. FANTASY in one word. During the reign of Stalin, the country had a strict military discipline, to which everything was subject, from Stalin to the ordinary collective farmer in Chukotka. There were no indulgences to anyone. Failure to fulfill a task or plan on time, causing damage to the state through negligence, being late for work is a crime. And no awards, titles, achievements in the past did not save from REAL PUNISHMENT and deprivation of all privileges. Yes, it was cruel. But the country was in a hostile environment, under threat of destruction. What do we have now? From the outside, a war is waged against our country - informational, ideological, economic. For the purpose of our weakening and submission. Inside our country is corroded by corruption. We now need Stalinist repression. The attitude to our official duties of our managerial elite resembles the elite of the Russian Empire during the First World War. How did it all end? And then on the VO website some individuals with foam at the mouth claim that revolution and civil war are not necessary. It is not necessary to create the basis for revolution by your actions. A pebble in the garden of our power.

[Same lech]

We now need Stalinist repression.

Yes, somehow it’s scary something ... suddenly, under this press, they push all the members of the forum into it ...
some disgruntled comrade will write to the authorities that we are all pests and enemies of the people here ... and the punitive machine will not be much understood ... we’ll go all the way to Magadan and Kolyma. both right and wrong.

[Grandfather]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

.all to Magadan

"... just not to Magadan-STE I am beyond my years! I’ll get there, I’m afraid of" I will give oak "! Lenya Filatov (C)

[Antares]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

dissatisfied comrade to the authorities that we are all pests and enemies of the people here ... and the punitive machine will not be much understood ... we’ll go to Magadan and Kolyma. what are both right and not right.

to the Kolyma if you're lucky. We are all here calling for the overthrow of the best system ... We also do our best to support "manufacturers of enemy equipment" and do not honor the party ..
Yes, we are all here.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

How to understand this, Mr. Antares?

[Antares]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

How to understand this, Mr. Antares?

we condemn the "enemy" technique and even complain that we do not have one. What's this?
That's right - "defeatism", maybe we are working for Japanese intelligence ... and we are digging a tunnel to Stockholm and killed Comrade Kirov.

[Vladimir T]

Dig a tunnel to Sakhalin.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

During the reign of Stalin, the country had a strict military discipline, to which everything was subject, from Stalin to the ordinary collective farmer in Chukotka.

That's right!
True, they also stole under Stalin, but with caution.
The article is just for the ugly, for any more or less historically savvy citizen knows that the time of Stalin's rule (like other historical eras, and this period in particular) is contradictory ...
Discipline, industrialization - this is good, famine and poverty, gigantic unjustified losses in the war, the insignificance of the value of the individual, troika, denunciations, torture - this is bad.
Nowadays, we need "landings" on the basis of trial and investigation, the adoption of a law based on the UN Convention on Illicit Enrichment not repression.
For the wise men who call for repression should think who will conduct them directly?
It’s not at all Putin, who is now fashionable among ordinary people to beat him with his brows for any reason, but your neighbor is a cop or an investigator, or else just an authorized activist. They were the very first, clever lovers of Joseph Vissarionych, and at the expense. Under Stalin, by the way, three members of the leadership (and there are quite a few ordinary Chekists) were replaced by the OGPU-NKVD-MGB, after they completed their tasks and it was politically expedient to spend them themselves. Including "for the extermination of personnel" ...
Correctly writes comrade:

Quote: The same LYOKHA

He won’t understand much ... everything will go to Magadan and Kolyma. both right and wrong.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Alekseev

They themselves were the first, smartest lovers of Joseph Vissarionitch, and at the expense of

They don't understand this: they think. that if they shout "Glory!", it will protect them.

History teaches nothing: how before execution many praised the system, but did not help ....

[Antares]

Quote: Olgovich

History does not teach anything: since before the execution, many praised the system, but it didn’t help ....

yes it has always been so.
The Great French Revolution ... execution scene
The shot team sings "Marseilles" and shoots those who also sings "Marseilles"
And how Robespierre Danton embraced and what kind of speeches he spoke to him (Best Citizen) and kept a denunciation in his pocket ... and he himself created a block under the block ..
You can glorify a system while you are needed. In cases of something, the first system uses you for execution as an undesirable element.

[beer-youk]

Quote: Olgovich

Nowadays, we need "landing" on the basis of trial and investigation, the adoption of a law based on the UN Convention on Illicit Enrichment, and not repression.

Strictly speaking, there was no repression (in the literal sense of the word). All decisions were made in STRICT accordance with the legislation in force at that time. Following your logic, you need to consider Chikatilo to be repressed - after all, according to current laws, he should sit for life.

[wooja]

there was no discipline and order ... but they tried to restore

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alekseev

True, they also stole under Stalin, but with caution.

Do you know this because you yourself did it in those days?

[major147]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

We now need Stalinist repression.

Stalin did the same as Moses did in his time, only by different methods and faster. However, not a word about "Moiseev's repressions".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

Yes, it was cruel.

It was tough, but given the situation, it wasn’t cruel at all.

[ccsr]

Quote: Fevralsk. Morev

During the reign of Stalin, the country had a strict military discipline, to which everything was subject, from Stalin to the ordinary collective farmer in Chukotka.

It seems so to you, but as it really was, you can learn from the memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union I.I. Lezhov, who describes how different scum they avoided mobilization even during the war:

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Have you watched the movie "The Cranes Are Flying"?

[ccsr]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

Have you watched the movie "The Cranes Are Flying"?

I starred in it - as a crane.

[Strashila]

And what was different in other countries? In the same USA, the years of the great depression did not go with white gloves. The FBI simply shot the criminals without trial, sent the unemployed to labor camps, during the war years people with signs of Japanese blood were sent not to settlements, but to concentration camps, prosecutions of political opponents, witch hunts are not uncommon. So the term of repression and the famine going hand in hand with it is far from individualism of the USSR, but a world-class trend of that era. The question is different, how is this being presented today without breaking away from the realities of that time. And the bravura statements in the 90s of the notorious intelligentsia, as they dirty the Bolsheviks, are proof of this.

[kalibr]

One can not justify one bad even worse. It is immoral!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

One can not justify one bad even worse. It is immoral!

Therefore, we must write 6 devastating articles about the US media, then another 6 about US farmers and US planters, another 6 about US child labor. Although, of course, Soros will not pay for it. Yes, and advertising probably will not work .....

[kalibr]

Dmitry, the Soros Foundation is not operating in Russia now and it is impossible to get money from it. Do not write nonsense, if something you do not know for sure.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

Dmitry, the Soros Foundation is currently not operating in Russia and it is impossible to get money from it. ....and.

So I say that I won’t pay. I know it for sure

[kalibr]

Then why write about him?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

Then why write about him?

Why are you asking? When I see you --- I immediately remember about him. However, not only I am alone. And in this way flood comments come out. Moreover, the situation may change.

[kalibr]

As for the 6 articles, then, of course, all the topics you proposed are very interesting. But I'm not in the habit of writing articles with my finger to my forehead. And I'm not sucking information out of my fingertips. All my materials are based on sources even in cases where they are not mentioned or mentioned in footnotes. Authoritative sources. On these topics, "Uncle Tom's Cabin" is not enough. But I have no access to the American archives. Finding relevant publications is difficult and time-consuming. Can you help me with this? Then with pleasure!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

....... putting a finger to his forehead. And I don’t suck out information from my finger ....!

????? !!!!!
Apparently he will have to help himself learn about the United States. How's their KKK? That's repression, so repression.

[kalibr]

Get busy! There is an interesting magazine "USA and Canada", our Russian academic one. There you will find a lot of interesting things and not only about KKK. Perhaps in a couple of years, you will become a good expert.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

...... There is an interesting magazine "USA and Canada", our Russian, academic one. There you will find a lot of interesting things and not only about KKK. ...

Of course, I’ll read some books, but I’m still working, albeit irregularly, but I don’t always have work, so this is a priority

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: kalibr

Authoritative sources. On these topics, "Uncle Tom's Cabin" is not enough. But I have no access to the American archives. Finding relevant publications is difficult and time-consuming. Can you help me with this? Then with pleasure!

Not every American will be allowed into the US archives on the "Great Depression", let alone you.
There are about 5 lemons of the dead. From hunger and, you will be surprised, repressions.

[kalibr]

There are so many publications of various universities! But it is necessary to seek to download or buy the paper version and read. The game is not worth the candle! And about the work in the archives ... Believe me, it's easier to get into them than ours!

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

... all the topics you proposed are very interesting. But I don’t have the habit of writing articles with my finger on my forehead. All my materials are based on sources. even in cases where they are not mentioned or not mentioned in footnotes.

Very valuable saying. Finally, you honestly admitted that without copyright and rewrite you cannot write anything.

[Antares]

Quote: Reptiloid

Therefore, it is necessary to write 6 devastating articles about the US media, then another 6 about US farmers and US planters, another 6 about US child labor. Although, of course, Soros will not pay for it. Yes, and advertising probably will not work ....

By the way, during the USSR, I read about famine in the USA, and about repressions in the USA and much more bad in the USA. About the homeland did not give anything bad to read
everything was bad in the USA.

[kalibr]

Exactly. The kingdom of God on earth was here!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Antares

By the way, during the USSR, I read about famine in the USA, and about repressions in the USA and much more bad in the USA. About the homeland did not give anything bad to read
everything was bad in the USA.

That's right, there’s nothing to cry for the Motherland! But now everything has changed. Already thirty years so reckless read about the USSR, the Russian Federation. But about the states at different levels of praise and hope were, and our senators get up at the entrance of their senators. That’s why you are pleased.

[Antares]

Quote: Reptiloid

But now everything has changed. Already thirty years so reckless read about the USSR, the Russian Federation. But about the states at different levels of praise and hope were, and our senators get up at the entrance of their senators. That’s why you are pleased.

wrong.
About the USSR is true, about the Russian Federation is not true.
On the contrary, the United States has bent, the dollar has bent, the West has decomposed, Russia wins on all fronts.
The world is in admiration, everyone is striving for the Russian Federation.
Seems not to have missed anything? Oh yes, the name of a genius ..
And about the USSR they write nasty things .. It is possible.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: kalibr

One can not justify one bad even worse. It is immoral!

Just as it is impossible to evaluate events of almost a century range from the perspective of today!

[Alekseev]

Quote: Strashila

And what was different in other countries?

Everything is everywhere the same, both in the life of an individual and in the life of countries, everyone wants the best.
It is only a matter of degree — a lot of violence, loss, repression, or vice versa, development, success or not.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Alekseev

...... Everything is everywhere, both in the life of an individual and in the life of countries, approximately the same, everyone wants the best.

But for some reason, only among our compatriots condemnation of their country. Or stupid modesty. For example, the states deliberately accepted the slave trade; they inherited it from previous times, from the depths of centuries. And nothing. No one repents. But now they are repressing entire countries, without trial. And ---- also no condemnation or repentance. There is nothing to understand, but it is necessary somehow to provide a standard of living at the expense of someone,.?

[wooja]

politics .... but you are right .... just trading in blacks is a child’s amusement compared to Russian customs and mores of antiquity distant or not very distant

[Reptiloid]

Quote: wooja

politics .... but you are right .... just trading in blacks is a child’s amusement compared to Russian customs and mores of antiquity distant or not very distant

Did you have sarcasm, or, sorry, didn’t understand? Probably, it’s sarcasm after all. It is one thing when countries have thousands of years of history and went through all stages of development and quite another - the history of the country in several centuries and nothing more.

[Antares]

Quote: wooja

just trading in blacks - children's fun

both countries at the same time almost abolished the slave trade and serfdom (count slavery)
True, the difference between the number of serfs and slaves is enormous.

[wooja]

quality must also be considered ... white and black or white and white

[Antares]

Quote: wooja

quality must also be considered ... white and black or white and white

I agree. Black loses in quality of mind, but excels in physical and ripening.
True, the comparison of the then white and black is approximately equal. But the quantity is different.
When compared with the Chinese, White begins to lose ...

[wooja]

it's not about the Chinese or the blacks, it's about their "Russians"

[kalibr]

One more such comment and I will also write to you about the money of Soros!

[Cowbra]

Two simple things.
1) Russia before Stalin - an agricultural country, it is necessary to become industrial. Nobody, nowhere and never - by itself abruptly change your lifestyle does not burn. Only by force - and to drive into collective farms, and in the city. Otherwise, it will be kondovaya, but it is a thorough and homespun Rus in the yard.
2) The mentality of the then agrarian Russia. Incompatible with the very concept of industrial discipline. There is nothing to even talk about - read Chekhov's "The Intruder". It is a well-known fact that most of the shoals at the dawn of industrialization are associated with banal slovenliness! Also without tough measures

[kalibr]

Quite right. It was a process aimed at changing the mentality of the population, and carried out very quickly. Analog - "bloody laws" against vagrants and beggars in England after the fencing. That is why repression in its mass affected 60% of the peasants.

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

That is why the repression in its mass affected 60% of the peasants.

What exactly do you mean by the word "repression" regarding the peasants?

[kalibr]

The fact that among the repressed 60% peasants. That is, of the total affected ...

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

The fact that among the repressed 60% peasants. That is, of the total affected ...

You did not understand. What actions on the part of the authorities towards peasants do you consider repressions? List.

[kalibr]

Alexander, this is a joke, probably? There are data on the number of people repressed in the USSR (execution, camp, defeat of rights, eviction). Among the people on this list are 60% peasants. What's not clear?

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

Alexander, this is a joke, probably? There are data on the number of people repressed in the USSR (execution, camp, defeat of rights, eviction). Among the people on this list are 60% peasants. What's not clear?

Yes, no, you’re a joker.

When you manipulate the consciousness of gullibles, are you joking like that?
When trying to inflate an elephant out of a fly with its 60%, then in the same sentence indicate that the remaining 40% are not peasants. Then, and only then, is it clear what you meant. Otherwise, shock - if 60% or 1 803 392 people were repressed, then in agrarian Russia there were only 3 million peasants.

And why don't you tell the truth? At least once in a lifetime? What is in the way?
To rip a vest on his chest, and to blurt out - "1,5% of the total number of peasants were repressed, and not peasants, but usurers, world eaters who strangled the peasants both figuratively and realistically." And then pull up the vest on the back and add - "and this despite the fact that by 1927 there were about 5% of kulaks." How many peasants have not been dispossessed, who know how to count, will independently calculate by subtracting one and a half from five.

[kalibr]

It is not your fault that you do not know elementary things. I can recommend reading the magazines Voprosy istorii, Istoriya gosudarstva i prava, Rodina. There were articles on this topic indicating who the author is and all his titles. In addition, there is data from the archive of the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation and Martyrology. And what do you think is not interesting to anyone. In my opinion, that's all.

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

And what do you think is interesting to no one.

This is not, I think, contemporaries thought so.

Dictionary of Dahl:
Fist
The miser, the hunks, the Jews, the flint, the strong; || reseller, reseller, maclack, prasol, vaulting, person in the grain trade, in bazaars and marinas, he is non-cash, lives by deception, miscalculation, measurement; lighthouse eagle. eagle, tarkhan tamb. Varangian Mosk. a small-market bargainer, traveling through villages, buying up canvas, yarn, linen, hemp, merlushka, bristles, oil, etc. prasol, ashes, money ladies, gurtovshchik, a buyer and cattle raiser; peddler, peddler, scoop, see the offer. || Fist or cheat, fist, prasol. Flour swings, it swings. || Kulaks, kulachnost cf. occupation, hunting for a fist, embassy, ​​overbought, young lady.

Peter Stolypin:
“At present, a stronger peasant is usually turning into a fist, the exploiter of their fellow students, in figurative expression - a world-eater.

A.N. Engelhardt:
“... a real fist loves neither land, nor economy, nor labor, this one loves only money ... Everything in the fist rests not on the farm, not on labor, but onand the capital on which he trades, which gives out loans at interest. His idol is money, about the increase of which he only thinks. He inherited the capital; it was obtained by unknown means, but by some unclean means. ”

[kalibr]

Dear Alexander! I don't need links to dictionaries. This is a little out of my level. You should know that by the 37th year there were no more kulaks left, all were destroyed before that. I wrote to you that my scientific advisor, Professor A.I. Medvedev. (there is an article about him on the Internet by Professor Kabytov, he was the rector of Kuibyshev University, and before that the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU of Moldova) proved with documents in hand that only in Moldova and only according to surviving documents, 10000 peasants (heads of families) were illegally repressed, recorded into kulaks and "dispossessed" without any reason. And how many documents have not survived ... And this took place throughout the country. So I don’t need to talk about kulaks, I don’t accept comments from every doctor of historical sciences, professors ... and in your case, thank you.

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

only in Moldova and only according to the surviving documents, 10000 peasants (heads of families) were unlawfully repressed, registered in kulaks and "dispossessed" without any grounds.

The villagers were kulaks of the exploiters of the world, and they knew better than the scientific leaders who and what lived in the countryside. So no need to hang up noodles about "without any reason".

Quote: kalibr

I don’t accept comments from any doctor of historical sciences, professor, and in your case, please.

I will not fire.

What are you writing here?

... the repression in its mass affected 60% of peasants

And in fact?

According to the 1926 census, the rural population in the USSR was 120 people. In total for 713-801, as indicated in the certificate of the Department for Special Migrants of the Gulag of the OGPU, 1930 families with a total number of 1931 people were sent to special settlement.

That is 1,5% were repressed of the total number of peasants. Do you feel the difference between the number 60 and the number 1,5? Or again a supervisor?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: McAr

The villagers exploded the world-eaters-exploiters, and they knew better than scientific

In, I remembered ....

But just before the scene, Abraham was stopped by the chairman with a sharp gesture:

- Wait, wait, Kuzmich, do not rise to us! ..

- Well, why? - taken aback by Abraham.

“Why the hell did you buy another camel on the third day?” - Sorokin answered the question with a question.

- It’s boring to Bukhara alone in the yard, so I bought a partner for him. Will the collective farm be worse off if I bring not one but two camels to the common yard? - Abraham grinned, still not believing that they were not joking with him, that he had made a fatal mistake for himself.

Someone (it seems, Karpushka Kotunov) shouted from the audience:

“And how many humps does a new camel have, tv Kuzmich?”

“This two-humped one,” Abraham answered willingly and cheerfully, in tone with the one asking,

- Well, you are fools, Avrashka! - the same voice was heard (now everyone saw that it belonged to Karpushka). - I’d buy a one-hump search, you see, everything would have worked out for you in a good way. Two humps - no luck! And three yes plus your own - this is too much, Abrash, this is twenty-two! For four humps you, my dear, will have to be extorted and sent to where you follow ... to Solovki al, where else ... together with Yashka Krutyakov and Timoshka Efremov, with all, to get down that we just approved here for dispossession and expulsion! .. I understand, you moron sort of ?!

- Who else was talking there like that?

“The most poor poor man!” - Karpushka responded lively and cheerfully.

https://e-libra.ru/read/148817-drachuny.html

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Not all quotes have the right to life. The quote from A.N. Engelhardt that you quoted, Mc Ar Alexander, is completely unacceptable for the conditions of the former Russian Empire, where the fist was primarily a great hard worker and his whole family worked tirelessly.

[Mcar]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

The quote from A.N. Engelhardt that you quoted, Mc Ar Alexander, is completely unacceptable for the conditions of the former Russian Empire, where the fist was primarily a great hard worker and his whole family worked tirelessly.

Without quotes, I can explain how the fist differs from the so-called strong peasant.

The watershed passes through 50%. What does it mean? This means that if the petty bourgeois, which the peasant was, attracts hired labor, but his own labor share is less than 50%, he remains a petty bourgeois, i.e. strong middle peasant. And the Soviet authorities, with the rare exception called "local excesses", had no questions about such. On the contrary, the authorities demanded a special attitude to the so-called "cultural workers", they tried not to even breathe on them, since there were very few specialists who understood agricultural technology and agriculture. And as we remember - "Cadres decide everything!".

Fist is a rural moneylender. A vile, in fact, creature profiting from the grief and blood of the villagers.

I recommend:

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

But before your answer, gr. Mordvin, who spoke about the meeting of the Committee of the poor on dispossession. Everything is very clear and clear there, contrary to your statement.
You are completely unconvincing.

[Mcar]

Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)

You are completely unconvincing.

There was no such purpose.

Convincing someone makes sense if the person wants to make sure. Otherwise, it’s a job to drag a hippopotamus from a swamp.

You are in the dark, I gave the torch, you threw it away - not convincing ... and we both went our own way. By the way, good roads!

PS. The typo in the previous comment:

This means that if the petty bourgeois, whom the peasant was, attracts wage labor, but the share of his own labor is NOT less than 50% he remains a petty bourgeois, i.e. strong middle peasant.

[Cowbra]

But just a lot. For example, one simple thing that opponents of collectivization always miss. Private economy can produce WHAT? Mammals. That is, without collectivization:
* No high-value farms. And this is not only multidisciplinary, it is simply irrational use of land. There are no crop revolutions, no sustainable farms. In fact - a return to slash-and-burn agriculture, depleted the land, sowing one wheat for 20 years - go further to cut the forest, but to sow unprotected. Personal agronomists and mechanization in rural areas are not needed - either a fist or a collective farm can pull this.
* Immediately the entire selection or production is a little more complicated than butter-butter - forget it. Thoroughbred horses for an outdated cavalry? Selection varieties of grapes, apples, but in general selection of something? In the courtyard of Panas ?!
In the shortest possible time, the division of farms into even smaller ones - within one generation - and famine in the countryside, and the country is agricultural, I recall.
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But to at least prevent this. here I galloped to the tops at a gallop - only repressive methods, the peasant will never give up the earth, driven into the subcortex even now, since the land is not mine - it is alien, the land may have one owner, or it will be a draw. I can’t see Pan, the land seems to be not mine, collective farm ... And it started.

[Mcar]

Quote: Cowbra

But to at least prevent this. here I galloped to the tops at a gallop - only repressive methods, the peasant will never give up the earth, driven into the subcortex even now, since the land is not mine - it is alien, the land may have one owner, or it will be a draw. I can’t see Pan, the land seems to be not mine, collective farm ... And it started.

"It rushed", this is because the consciousness is not communal, but petty bourgeois. It could not have been otherwise - communism grows out of capitalism, and the formation of a new, communist consciousness should take a long time, several generations.

As for "the peasant will never give up the land, driven into the subcortex," then you, like most in this regard, are in captivity of liberal myths.

In the total area of ​​allotment land in 1905, communal lands accounted for 81%, and 19% for homestead lands. 4/5 of the cultivated land is communal, and you say "will not give it up." Yes, most of the peasants never owned land! Where is it "driven into the subcortex" from? This, incidentally, is one of the reasons why the Stolypin land reform, in fact, failed - the peasants themselves were against land ownership.

The communal land was cultivated by the whole community, as in future collective farms. The difference is that in the community each family has a strip from the common field, while on the collective farm the whole field was cultivated with a herd. And if everyone in the community knew that there would be a redistribution for a year, two, three, it means that another wedge would get, and if so, then there is nothing special to look after the land, then on the collective farm it will be a completely different matter - there will be no redistribution and it will be profitable to care for the land ... Well, and the collective itself, if friendly, will easily identify possible quacks, and as in the motto: "If you can't - we will teach, if you don't want to - we will force, we will not let the detachment disgrace!"

[Cowbra]

then you, like most on this score, are held captive by liberal myths

Well, let me argue with you. And it is easier, not with examples from textbooks, from life. Look: One recreation center, Tula region, early 90s. It has its own car park, a couple of buses, its own ambulance, a UAZ, a fire engine from the base. Money began to dance there, the beginning of the recreation center allowed the drivers to put cars in and use them, just notify me - where, by how much, so that I know - go ahead. But your gasoline is there, leaving ... And the couple abruptly on the wheels and the UAZ got up, and the PAZik, and the LAZ seemed to be completely dead ... Let's lick our own, even if it doesn't belong, I just use it. And the one that drove and BEFORE that - he could have taken the same PAZik, practically heh - "Seryog, well, I need to take the potatoes", but then I had to return them to the garage ... Already in my head - "not mine." Then it didn't start at 5 in the morning for the flight ... And I have to do with it - not my rattle.
Pure psychology. When I’m standing under the window, 200 meters from the garage, it’s already mine, and I’ll lick it to shine, even now in Paris-Dakar.
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And I will give a bunch of such examples from life

[Cowbra]

And yes, I actually spoke of what. Just the opposite, that had to break HERE THIS mentality !!!

And how deep it sits in us - there’s an example above

but petty bourgeois. There could not be another - communism is growing out of capitalism, and it takes a long time, several generations to form a new, communist consciousness.

In time - maybe. And so - the anarchy, characteristic of the peasantry - the extreme left, diametrically opposed to the extreme right - communism. To socialism also, just socialism is not extreme, but another wing, the opposite. And anarchy is an extreme degree of democracy, the peasantry is always anarchic, no one decides for us, and in its burrow the gopher is the master

[Mcar]

Quote: Cowbra

And so - the anarchy characteristic of the peasantry - the extreme left, diametrically opposed to the extreme right - communism. To socialism also, just socialism is not extreme, but another wing, the opposite. And anarchy is an extreme degree of democracy, the peasantry is always anarchic, no one decides for us, and in its burrow the gopher is the master

Something you all mixed up, do not find?

Right to capitalism, and left to communism. But in the right and left, that is still a hodgepodge. Moreover, in one (especially the left) wing of the irreconcilable right up to the squabble, there is more than enough. Because the class consciousness is poorly developed. That's what they need to unite - in the interests of the class, and the feud should be forgotten.

Anarchists gravitate towards the left, only confused. They say: the individual will be free, and society will be free. And this is fundamentally wrong, utopian. Communists say: society will be free, and the individual will be free. And so it can only be.

The peasant consciousness is petty-bourgeois, since the peasant is the petty bourgeois. Owns the means of production, can attract wage labor - the classic petty bourgeois.

But socialism is communism, just not yet mature. It is like a person - while the little one is called a child, and how he grows up - by a person. But a child is considered a person from birth. So is socialism — it is communism, but still small, not developed.

And most importantly, a person’s presence in a particular social class and his views are two different things and can differ greatly. For example, Engels, Marx, Lenin, Tolstoy, the list can be continued for a long time, they were socially in the bourgeois class, but their views and social position were proletarian.

[Cowbra]

Here you have the right addition. The point is that I also taught political science, I remember the division into right and left during the French revolution, where it came from, there is exactly the opposite, the left is a republican, the right is a monarchist. But I will remind you. that the right now, over there - in the media - is a synonym for a totalitarian regime, the rule of an actual dictator, and the left has long been a synonym for precisely ... Opponents of the dictatorship. The starting point has changed. Monarchy can also be constitutional, what about Nagliya? "Raines, baht note roll?" - reigns, but does not rule. And in that country that was proud of the fact that it is the stronghold of the will of the entire people ... There are Praetorians - the Marine Corps, not subordinate to Congress, the President's personal guard ... Precisely the Praetoria. Executing presidential decrees on suppressing the dissatisfied, do you need examples? For this, shootings on a rainy night near the wagons of the deportees are not necessary. Venezuela, by the way, is an example)
So there is such a division too - it is based on the relationship of the PERSONAL and PUBLIC. When personal means nothing, the interests of society are extremely right. When on the contrary, everything for the sake of unity is extremely left. Did not hear?

[Mcar]

Quote: Cowbra

So there is such a division too - it is based on the relationship of the PERSONAL and PUBLIC. When personal means nothing, the interests of society are extremely right. When on the contrary, everything for the sake of unity is extremely left. Did not hear?

On the contrary, I know, but I have not heard that.

Left is everything to the left of zero. Just like the right, this is all to the right of zero. There is no unity either there or there. Because the wing is large, long and can accommodate any creature in pairs. Maybe among the left there are those who put personal, personal interests above common, common interests. Just then, in this case, is left here except for the name? Similarly, but with a different sign, and with the right.

[Cowbra]

Well, figs know him, the point is. that in the university I studied not at the best time. when different crap was taught in all seriousness, for example, at Moscow State University. No kidding, it was, as a pioneer, I planted lectures for the research staff of the biology department of Moscow State University !!! A lecturer from someone is a tripod office. Creationists. Well tell. what Darwin created, quote - "the theory of the origin of life on earth." I stood for an hour and a half, fucking looking at those around me, I was a schoolboy then, but they are real biologists !!!
Darwin did not write a single word about the origin of life on earth. But that lecture, and the questions that were asked from the Biological Faculty of Moscow State University !!! I remember. I can’t describe it not because they are banned, there are no words.
And I heard this classification more than once, and it is precisely political science. Teachers taught from history faculty. There is logic, it seemed to me that it should be so? The society is changing, the reference points are changing, and it is the fascists or the Nazis who are extreme right? So there is only the priority of society - over the individual, by and large?

[Mcar]

Quote: Cowbra

The society is changing, the reference points are changing, and it is the fascists or the Nazis who are extreme right? So there is only the priority of society - over the individual, by and large?

There are many definitions of what fascism is. The most accurate, in my opinion, is Dimitrova: "Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital." Here every word is key, not a single one can be thrown away or omitted.

Everything else is from the evil one.

Well, where in the "most imperialist elements of finance capital" can the priority of the general over the personal coexist? If only these elements unite the interests in dictatorship, chauvinism, terrorism of everyone who is not part of their "club".

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

Well, where in the "most imperialist elements of finance capital" can the priority of the general over the personal coexist?

In German paramilitary national socialism. Where the main idea of ​​Goebbels passes through as a red thread: Homeland gave you life, and it will take the debt back. Get ready for it! Everything, even life, is for Germany! And no matter how much money you have, the main thing is to do your job in a quality manner.

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

In German paramilitary national socialism. Where the main idea of ​​Goebbels passes through as a red thread: Homeland gave you life, and it will take the debt back. Get ready for it! Everything, even life, is for Germany! And no matter how much money you have, the main thing is to do your job in a quality manner.

But who knows what Goebbels propagated by sending proletarians of Germany to meat.

You are looking at the essence, not at the forms. And the essence is simple as a bath broom: the most imperialist elements of financial capital, in the person of Goebbels, Hitler and others, declared war on the communist idea. Well, what kind of community members after that? Where can one discover the priority of the general over the personal? Or do not know that every soldier of the Wehrmacht was promised an estate in the new Vaterland with a certain number of Slavic slaves?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

You are looking at the essence, not at the forms. And the essence is simple as a bath broom: the most imperialist elements of financial capital, in the person of Goebbels, Hitler and others, declared war on the communist idea. Well, what kind of community members after that?

any social formation uses different engines to achieve certain goals. Sometimes this competition is sometimes a joint effort for a breakthrough. German national socialism in many ways resembles Soviet Communism with the difference in the fact that we united all the proletarians or sharing the ideas of equality, but the Germans have the same thing but only for the Aryan races! The motivation is largely similar and wild for us, but they also made us kill on the grounds of affluence, and this is wild for them!
And the meat, by the way, went to death for the IDEA! And the idea was that, in addition to the superiority of race, the attitude to Order was cultivated (literally, a worker doing his duty. Stands above a negligent minister) Nature, Blood, Honor, Fate, and so on, the charter of ideological constructions copied the charter of the Jesuits of the Middle Ages - a very powerful organization.
I think you are confusing today's economic occupation Russia with the concept of capitalism.
The article tries to justify the repression, but does not provide the only correct argument that if we now start to engage in economics, we will have to shed even more blood

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

German national socialism is much like Soviet Communism

A wolf and a wolfhound are also in many ways similar - four legs, a tail, fangs ... The goal setting is different: the wolf cuts the sheep, the wolfhound protects the sheep. And so yes - "in many ways similar."

Quote: aybolyt678

I think you confuse today's economic occupation of Russia with the concept of Capitalism.

I don’t confuse anything. And I know that the Russian Federation is a colony of transnational corporations. The fact that we have capitalism, to put it mildly, is strange - yes. And this is because he grew up not from feudalism, but from socialism.

Quote: aybolyt678

The article tries to justify the repression, but does not provide the only correct argument that if we now start to engage in economics, we will have to shed even more blood

Let this not happen - "more blood will have to be shed." There is no ground for this. That civil war is understandable why it was bloody - there were many who wanted to restore the old order. Where will such a desire come from among today's bourgeoisie? Yes, they themselves are well aware that all their property is the result of robbing the people. All, without exception, sit on suitcases and keep their capital over the hill. If anything, they will be squeaky about them in Russia. So there won't be any big blood.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

The fact that we have capitalism, to put it mildly, is strange - yes. And this is because he grew up not from feudalism, but from socialism.

- no! it’s strange for us not because of this, but because Capitalism means the world market, which means that beef costs Argentina, cars in Chinese, tomatoes in Turkish, smartphones ... Here we lose in any area because we have large territories, cold winters, the need to build deep foundations, foundations for roads, to heat many areas, transport over long distances and hide pipes in the ground .... Khrushchev tried to build industrial buildings without a foundation !! nothing succeeded.
Communism in our country is impossible if there is a free connection with the outside world.

Quote: McAr

All, without exception, are sitting on their suitcases and holding capital over the hill. Just a little - they will cut off to Russia with a whistle. So there will be no big blood.

there will be a slow, painful dying amid depletion of resources, in fact it is already underway. But there is no leader.

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

- no! it’s strange with us not for this, but because Capitalism means the world market, which means that beef is priced at Argentinean, cars are Chinese, tomatoes are Turkish, smartphones ...

Yeah. So, all the cap. countries can regulate import taxes, but are we red again? In normal capitalism, the capitalists themselves, i.e. bourgeois class, protect their capital (means of production) from the expansion of foreign, competing counterparts.

This is on the one hand. On the other hand, at such a refinancing rate as in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, no construction or development of industry is possible even in southern China. And since the banking system is built into the capitalist system, the conclusion suggests itself - the Russian bourgeois class is not interested, in the long run, in the existence of the Russian Federation. That's why it is strange.

Quote: aybolyt678

Here we lose in any area because we have large territories, cold winters, the need to build deep foundations, foundations for roads, heat a lot of areas, transport over long distances and hide pipes in the ground ....

That is all true. And this is an additional reason why capitalism is disastrous for Russia.

Quote: aybolyt678

Communism in our country is impossible if there is a free connection with the outside world.

To paraphrase: communism is impossible when connected with capitalism.

Yes and no. Communism would have long been with us if Khrushchev had not intervened in the perfectly tuned mechanism of the Stalinist economy. Another question - would capitalism give us to complete it, would it not unleash a nuclear war? After all, the presence on the planet of at least one country where the construction of communism is completed is the death of the capitalist system.

Quote: aybolyt678

there will be a slow, painful dying amid depletion of resources, in fact it is already underway. But there is no leader.

I have said more than once here - and what will the most beautiful leader do? He will begin to create a Marxist circle at some factory - this is the maximum that he can do. He will not be able to do anything else, since mass consciousness is sleeping. And if you start talking with the masses about the class consciousness, they will shower them with tomatoes.

[aybolyt678]

Marxist circle, this is untimely. A community in social networks - maybe, but until the system that I mentioned above is worked out, namely, the preparation of the Elite, this is the first and second, why is it necessary to focus on Marx? - it is possible to unite and form a public request for changes against the background of a shortage of energy resources, social justice due to a progressive scale and criminal liability for failure to fulfill election promises.
About class consciousness is also not relevant .. Now, in a consumer society, only the fun about the Apocalypse will fail. Well, Jesus did it about good !
But no one canceled Marx; his laws are valid without knowledge of them. May Capital remain a secret knowledge of the future Elite

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

Marxist circle, this is untimely. A community in social networks - maybe, but until the system that I mentioned above is worked out, namely, the preparation of the Elite, this is the first and second, why is it necessary to focus on Marx? - it is possible to unite and form a public request for changes against the background of a shortage of energy resources, social justice due to a progressive scale and criminal liability for failure to fulfill election promises.

1. "Ilitu", while we are texting, is already being prepared. In the Kremlin. Bourgeoisie. Therefore, you don't need to take a steam bath.
2. And there is no need to dwell on Marxism either. Representatives of the bourgeois class deduct everything in Capital for us.
3. To form a public request for changes like "raise our salary by at least 2%", this is very important - this is it, the very haymaking.
4. The progressive scale is really good. Let the proper exploitation of man by man blossom and grow stronger!
5. For an attempt to organize a referendum on "criminal responsibility for failure to fulfill pre-election promises", four are already in prison. Let's join?

Quote: aybolyt678

About class consciousness is also not relevant .. Now, in a consumer society, only the fun about the Apocalypse will fail.

Ash stump - doesn’t work. Because public consciousness is bourgeois. Everything is like in the classics - what being, such and consciousness.

Quote: aybolyt678

But no one canceled Marx; his laws are valid without knowledge of them. May Capital remain a secret knowledge of the future Elite

This is how the bourgeois elite uses them. And why suckers need to know laws and science? "Now there is only entertainment in the consumer society."

I have a serious question: Have you read Nosov's Dunno on the Moon?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

I have a serious question: Have you read Nosov's Dunno on the Moon?

+++ to you. Only which circle, in which production? I have my own company, I work as a wife and a cleaning lady. At times I attract the unemployed. We plow. we study Marx. There are no enterprises in our city. Only a railway, several agricultural enterprises with livestock and grain. Several workshops for grinding grain. All. it is a regional center of 40 thousand people. Low price, Magnet, Holddiscounter, CSN, etc. there are not proletarians and these are not factories, qualifications are not needed there. Strikes will not fail. How do you fight? how to preserve the remnants of the Soviet mentality in children? Oh yes! I almost forgot - "dunno on the moon"

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

Just what kind of circle, in which production? I have my own company, I work, my wife, and a cleaner. At times I attract the unemployed. Plow.

So you are a classic petty bourgeois.

You have a dual position - on the one hand, you gravitate toward small property ownership (perhaps forcedly, since all production has fallen), and on the other hand, you are a hard worker, since you work yourself.

I have bad news for you. Or maybe not news, maybe you already know about it. Only 1-2 small bourgeois out of a hundred manage to rise to the bourgeois, to at least some significant peaks. The rest fall in the proletariat.

Quote: aybolyt678

There are no enterprises in our city. Only the railway, several agricultural enterprises with livestock and grain. Several workshops for grinding grain. All. This is a district center of 40 thousand people. Lowcen, Magnet, Holdiscounter, CSN, etc. there are not proletarians and these are not factories; there, qualifications are not needed. Strikes do not fail. How to fight?

Hard case. I have no ready answer.

Theoretically ... A strike is always possible. According to the law, during a strike no one, no private trader, can dismiss a union member. A union can organize 3 like-minded people. Of course, if there are 40 people in a team, and no one will support these three, there will be no sense. But if all forty become members of the union, they will not be able to fire anyone. And this is to charge the whole team, or most of it, with the right attitude, the most difficult. To do this, you need to read a lot, know a lot, talk a lot, etc.

A strike is not only a complete rejection of work. This may be a reduction in the working day by an hour or two. Or do everything according to the rules (safety precautions, working machines and machines, etc.) - this is no less a powerful strike. Air traffic controllers generally cannot strike on the law, but they still went on strike - they simply announced that they were on strike, but continued to work. They achieved what they wanted. And the strike can last as long as you like. The union itself during the strike decides how to change the strike actions and in three days simply notifies the management of the enterprise. In short, in order to understand this, it is necessary to study the laws of labor and the experience of successful strikes both in the Russian Federation and in the world.

Quote: aybolyt678

We study Marx.

On your own? My regards!

Do Professor Popov's lectures help?

Quote: aybolyt678

How do you fight? how to preserve the remnants of the Soviet mentality in children? Oh yes! I almost forgot - "dunno on the moon"

It seems to me that now this work will not make such an impression on children. Because we have capitalism in the Russian Federation and everything is like in this book - why be surprised? But in the Union this was not so perceived - we had socialism, and the description of the capitalist system for children and children's language, caused, at least, a huge surprise that everything is so stupid and unreasonable in the society where Dunno happened, but it’s a fairy tale, then, this does not happen in life ... There was a strong impression! I'm afraid the cartoon of the same name can be declared extremist and banned. With our helmsmen will.

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

I have bad news for you. Or maybe not news, maybe you already know about it. Only 1-2 small bourgeois out of a hundred manage to rise to the bourgeois, to at least some significant peaks. The rest fall in the proletariat.

So what, does this "news" give reason not to work as a small entrepreneur? And who will feed the families and raise their children if all the "petty bourgeois" quit working FOR YOURSELF? Should they hope for the state or for a pension?
By the way, in the nineties, when I was faced with the choice of hiring employees or doing small business, I chose the latter, i.e. followed the path of the "petty bourgeois" on the advice of an intelligent man who had already tasted the delights of capitalism in Russia. During this time, a lot of things happened to me, but until now I do not regret that I made such a choice. And although I did not reach "significant heights" in your gradation, it was labor for myself that made me a relatively free person, and this satisfies me. So leave your examples for inexperienced people - mature people know perfectly well how to act in any environment, even if they are not satisfied with the social system.

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

So what, does this "news" give reason not to work as a small entrepreneur?

No, it does not give "a reason not to work as a small entrepreneur."
But it gives an idea of ​​what are the chances of this or that. Is it bad to know in advance% probability of success?

Quote: ccsr

So leave your examples to inexperienced people

I will not leave. Because the inexperienced are orders of magnitude more "who have already tasted the delights" of bending into the horn of their own kind.

The number of legal entrepreneurs has decreased over the past 12 months by 300 thousand people. And the remaining 5,7 million people have already opened 270 thousand criminal cases. They are annually visited by 400 thousand scheduled inspections and another million - unscheduled. All these checks fix business compliance by 2 million indicators - from psychiatric examination certificates to ceiling heights or the availability of special chairs for pregnant employees.

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

Is it bad to know in advance% probability of success?

Well, you learned that your son’s chance to become a billionaire is practically zero. And what, because of this, will you love him less, or will you advise him to quit his job?

Quote: McAr

I will not leave. Because the inexperienced are orders of magnitude more "who have already tasted the delights" of bending into the horn of their own kind.

But why, then, in the elections, the majority supports Putin, the president of a capitalist state, who does not promise citizens social equality? Why don't your "rolled into a ram's horn" change the social system even by voting for those who promise them to change their lives for the better, focusing on Marxism?

Quote: McAr

All these checks record business compliance with 2 million indicators - from psychiatric examination certificates to ceiling heights or the availability of special chairs for pregnant employees.

Do not tell me horror stories. I have been in small business for more than twenty years, and unlike you, I know his problems not by hearsay. And I assure you that you can comply with the requirements, you just do not whine, but solve problems with those who can control you, and without bribes.

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

Well, you learned that your son’s chance to become a billionaire is practically zero. And that, because of this, you will love him less

And even in a dream, such a statement of the question would not have occurred to me - they say there is no money, no love. You, apparently, are already from a capitalistically educated generation. Or re-educated.

Quote: ccsr

But why then, in the election, the majority supports Putin, the president of a capitalist state who does not promise citizens social equality?

Because social being determines social consciousness.

What is social life in the country? Bourgeois, capitalist. Consequently, public consciousness is also bourgeois.

But social equality cannot exist even in the primary phase of communism — socialism.

Quote: ccsr

Why don't your "rolled into a ram's horn" change the social system even by voting for those who promise them to change their lives for the better, focusing on Marxism?

Firstly, there has not been a single candidate in any election who would be a Marxist.
Secondly, it is impossible to change the system from capitalist to communist in elections. There was no such thing in history that the bourgeois class voluntarily ceded to the proletarian class.

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

You, apparently, are already from a capitalistically educated generation. Or re-educated.

Made a mistake - I just really look at life, which, given the years I have lived, gives me more to understand reality than all your slogans and rants.

Quote: McAr

But social equality cannot exist even in the primary phase of communism — socialism.

Well then, what are you talking about, since even socialism does not suit you? Capitalism then what is bad for you?

Quote: McAr

Secondly, it is impossible to change the system from capitalist to communist in elections.

Well, why, or you may not know, that the socialist Allende won the ELECTION in Chile in 1970? It seems that this is not me from a capitalistically educated generation, but you are a product of modern education ...

Quote: McAr

There was no such thing in history that the bourgeois class voluntarily ceded to the proletarian class.

The example of Chile is probably not for you.
But this is not the point, but the fact that the overthrow of power takes place in many countries of the world, and why did you decide that our people would not want to change power, as it was in 1917? Or do you already not allow this? Then why bother to crush the water in the mortar, since everything is so hopeless?

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

Wrong - I just really look at life

Could not specify, it is already evident that you have firmly mastered the rules of the capitalist system: man is wolf to man; you die today, and I tomorrow; the law is taiga, the bear is the master, etc.

Quote: ccsr

Well then, what are you talking about, since even socialism does not suit you?

Russian is not native, or what? What kind of words could anyone with a good understanding of Russian ask a similar question? Rest more, and then there are already glitches from overwork, not otherwise.

Quote: ccsr

Capitalism then what is bad for you?

Capitalism is a system of destruction of both man and the environment. You do not understand this, but I have no desire to explain it to you.

Quote: ccsr

Well, why, or you may not know, that the socialist Allende won the ELECTION in Chile in 1970?

The bourgeois class allowed him, let him win, and only because his motto was: "Socialism without the dictatorship of the proletariat." Consequently, he is the same "socialist" as of the three-line rakita.

"... who has a negative attitude towards the dictatorship of the proletariat ... these are stupid peoplewho are unable to understand that there must be either the dictatorship of the proletariat or the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Whoever says otherwise is either a didiot or politically so illiteratethat it is a shame to let him not only on the podium, but also just to the meeting ". V.I. Lenin

Quote: ccsr

But this is not the point, but the fact that the overthrow of power takes place in many countries of the world, and why did you decide that our people would not want to change power, as it was in 1917?

Why did you decide that I decided so?

Or do not know that the bourgeoisie did not voluntarily yield to the proletariat?

Quote: ccsr

Then why bother to crush the water in the mortar, since everything is so hopeless?

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

Could you not specify, it is already evident that you have firmly mastered the rules of the capitalist system:

I have learned the rules that our people adopted in 1991. Just like you in the majority, and demanded "Down with the KPSS", so why now cry?

Quote: McAr

Capitalism is a system of destruction of both man and the environment. You do not understand this, but I have no desire to explain it to you.

Well, why didn’t you come out to fight him in 1991?

Quote: McAr

The bourgeois class allowed him, he gave victory,

Do not bother - the question was about the elections, and I showed you through an example that you did not know that during the elections left parties could come to power.

Quote: McAr

Or do not know that the bourgeoisie did not voluntarily yield to the proletariat?

In the know, in the know ....
But I don’t understand the essence of all your calls - are you calling for a change of power in a revolutionary or evolutionary way? Tell us about your vision, do not hide your views.

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

But I don’t understand the essence of all your calls - are you calling for a change of power in a revolutionary or evolutionary way? Tell us about your vision, do not hide your essence.

I see no reason - it won’t do you any good.

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

I see no reason - it won’t do you any good.

Why are you scared?
Let me not benefit, but others will see your true face, and believe many, it will become clear why you are writing here.

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

Let me not benefit, but others will see your true face, and believe many, it will become clear why you are writing here.

I have already shown my face more than once. Like you yours. Have a few hours free - read my comments. And do not make yourself a wise guy.

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

Have a few hours free - read my comments.

Do you think that they deserve it, after you were afraid to honestly answer a simple question?

Quote: McAr

And do not make yourself a wise guy.

I just laugh at people like you "teachers of life".

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

Do you think that they deserve it, after you were afraid to honestly answer a simple question?

Well, you wanted to see my face.

As for your "question":

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

Well, you wanted to see my face.

Your face does not interest me at all - I am interested in whether you can honestly state your views, and no more.
As it turned out, scared ...

[Mcar]

Quote: ccsr

I'm interested in whether you can honestly state your views, and no more.

Citizen, de Bill, I have already outlined them. I don’t want to throw beads in front of pigs.

[ccsr]

Quote: McAr

Citizen, de Bill, I have already outlined them.

You're lying - you are afraid to answer a simple question, and this is obvious.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: ccsr

Well, why didn’t you come out to fight him in 1991?

By this time, the majority of the Soviet people were infected with petty-bourgeois consciousness, after the Khrushchev thaw, Brezhnev stagnation, brainwashing during the Gorbachev perestroika did their dirty deed, and few people supported the Communists, and their performance would only lead to unnecessary blood.
Today is another matter, almost all have been trained by capitalism, the matter is left to the small ....

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Alexander Green

Quote: ccsr

Well, why didn’t you come out to fight him in 1991?

By this time, the majority of the Soviet people were infected with petty-bourgeois consciousness, after the Khrushchev thaw, Brezhnev stagnation, brainwashing during the Gorbachev perestroika did their dirty deed, and few people supported the Communists, and their performance would only lead to unnecessary blood.
Today is another matter, almost all have been trained by capitalism, the matter is left to the small ....

today
However, Alexander, I want to inform you that in one of my books, I read that at that time people came out and opposed. And about 2000 people were killed. Of course, this is hushed up and it is clear why their names are unknown. Why I do not inform the author and the title of the book. Forgot ... I have several books on this topic and I rarely read them --- it’s hard to get through names and posts. As if it were some other planet at all ... I want to find this text again, now in these books about the destruction of the USSR, I began to make notes with a pencil !!!!

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: Reptiloid

And there were killed about 2000 people.

It’s very interesting, if you find material, then bring it. Unfortunately, I have not heard about this

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Alexander Green

Quote: Reptiloid

And there were killed about 2000 people.

It’s very interesting, if you find material, then bring it. Unfortunately, I have not heard about this

It was only about the events in Moscow. I try, read how I find ---- mark and write

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: McAr

Quote: ccsr
Well then, what are you talking about, since even socialism does not suit you?

Russian is not native, or what? What kind of words could anyone with a good understanding of Russian ask a similar question? Rest more, and then there are already glitches from overwork, not otherwise.

Dear, your opponent is not from overwork, but from political illiteracy, he does not understand the difference between the first phase of communism (socialism) and complete communism.

[Mcar]

Quote: Alexander Green

Dear, your opponent is not from overwork, but from political illiteracy, he does not understand the difference between the first phase of communism (socialism) and complete communism.

Perhaps from political illiteracy. But I am still inclined to believe that the citizen is just trolling. He is a bourgeois, but like any bourgeois he must and wants to suppress the opposite class. It is impossible to operate on the forum. What's left? Only to troll - to mow under Dunno, ask questions about "two-two", etc. The most repulsive category.

[Reptiloid]

"Chatting" ------ such a PR technique. What is the program cycle on LEN.RU

Quote: McAr

Quote: Alexander Green

Dear, your opponent is not from overwork, but from political illiteracy, he does not understand the difference between the first phase of communism (socialism) and complete communism.

Perhaps from political illiteracy. But I am still inclined to believe that the citizen is just trolling. He is a bourgeois, but like any bourgeois he must and wants to suppress the opposite class. It is impossible to operate on the forum. What's left? Only to troll - to mow under Dunno, ask questions about "two-two", etc. The most repulsive category.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

On the other hand, at such a refinancing rate as in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, no construction or development of industry is possible even in southern China.

+++ here you are certainly right, but think at your leisure also about the exchange rate, it is also a powerful tool of world capital to kill Russia.

[kalibr]

And the consciousness and mentality is also proletarian-haha?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

For example, Engels, Marx, Lenin, Tolstoy, the list can be continued for a long time, they were socially in the bourgeois class, but their views and social position were proletarian.

I think it is inappropriate to talk about proletarian views, among politicians, at least. The views of Marx, Engels and Lenin were philosophical, scientific, socially oriented. And the proletarians are just workers who have nothing to lose but their chains. The proletarian view is a slogan. Plain. Type robbery looted !!!!

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

I think it is inappropriate to talk about proletarian views, among politicians, at least. The views of Marx, Engels and Lenin were philosophical, scientific, socially oriented.

Why is it inappropriate?

It is very appropriate, because both their position and views were on the side of the proletariat. What they wrote about in their writings. For us. And we do not read. Because not readers, but writers. Unfortunately.

Quote: aybolyt678

And the proletarians are just workers who have nothing to lose but their chains. The proletarian view is a slogan. Plain. Type robbery looted !!!!

If something can be misunderstood, it will be misunderstood.

January 23, 1918, three months after the October Revolution, Lenin spoke in Petrograd before the agitators sent to the province. He explained to them that “the external war has ended” and the time has come for the “internal war”:

- The bourgeoisie, having hidden the loot in the chests, calmly thinks: "Nothing, we will sit out." The people should pull out this “hapalu” and force it to return the loot. You must do this locally. Do not let them hide, so that we will not be ruined by a complete collapse. It is not the police who have to force them - the police are killed and buried - the people themselves have to do this, and there is no other way to deal with them. The old Bolshevik was right, who explained to the Cossack what Bolshevism was about. To the question of the Cossack: is it true that you Bolsheviks are robbing? - the old man answered: yes, we rob the loot.

Lenin had in mind a story that the Don Cossack Shamov told the Third All-Russian Congress of Soviets a week earlier, on January 16. The old stanitsky asked the Bolshevik Minin how the peasantry would receive land, and after hearing his program, he exclaimed:

“So you're a burglar!”

Minin replied:

- Yes, we are robbers, but we rob robbers.

We note the important difference between the explanation of Minin and the appeal of Lenin. Minin spoke to the stanitsik about the transfer of landowner land to the peasants (a slogan intercepted by the Bolsheviks from the Social Revolutionaries). Lenin, on the other hand, spoke of “chests of the bourgeoisie,” that is, of the seizure of any property that the confiscators considered to be looted — which already smelled of criminality.

In the book “On Lenin. Materials for a biographer ”(1924) Trotsky recalled:

Newspapers especially grasped the words "robbed loot" and turned them in every way: both in editorials, and in verses, and in feuilleton.

“And this“ robbery was given to them, ”Lenin once said with playful despair.

- Whose words are these? I asked. - Or is it a fiction?

“No, I somehow really said it,” answered Lenin, “said yes and forgot, and they made a whole program out of it.” - And he humorously waved his hand.

At a meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on April 29, 1918, Lenin declared:

- Hit here especially the slogan: "loot", - a slogan in which, no matter how I look at it, I can’t find anything wrong if history appears on the scene. If we use the words: expropriation of expropriatorsthen - why can’t you do without Latin words here?

But, since by that time the scandalous slogan had already played its part, Lenin announced the transition to the next stage - the execution of those who rob the loot from the robbers:

- ...Count the loot and pull it apart, and if they will be drawn to themselves directly or indirectly, then shoot such violators of discipline ...

As we see, Lenin, defending his slogan, referred to Marx, who said: “The hour of capitalist private property is beating. Expropriators expropriate”(“ Capital ”, I, 24, 6).

I hope you now understand the true meaning of the slogan "plunder the loot"?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: McAr

I hope you now understand the true meaning of the slogan "plunder the loot"?

I read your comment with interest, your version is quite interesting, although it does not refute but complements others.
actually I'm looking for an answer to the question of what to do? who is to blame is generally understood

[Mcar]

Quote: aybolyt678

actually I'm looking for an answer to the question of what to do?

The same thing that revolutionaries did long before 1917. To study is to raise one’s level, both in political issues and in economic ones. And then to share with others - and others benefit themselves and (if you want to learn - start teaching).

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: aybolyt678

The proletarian view is a slogan. Plain. Type robbery looted !!!!

No, dear, you are mistaken, proletarian views, this is primarily a collectivist consciousness, that is why the proletariat is the only class that can put an end to the current ugliness - the omnipotence of private property, and begin to build a just society for the working people, of course, again there will be many offended, those who who will be taken away by the "candle" factories. Well, you probably know that any capital is based on a crime.

[Mcar]

Quote: Cowbra

Well, let me argue with you.
------------
And I will give a bunch of such examples from life

There is no subject to dispute. Social being determines social consciousness. What kind of being? Capitalist, bourgeois. Consequently, the corresponding consciousness. And so it was, to one degree or another, the entire period of Soviet power, the socialist system.

And the myth is that the land was owned by the peasants, and this is already "driven into the subcortex." This myth has already been driven into the subcortex.

[horlet]

You lived in a village during the period of the defeat of Soviet collective and state farms? You incorrectly put it - not a private, but a small-scale farm! Lenin said: something like this: “If we have 1000 tractors, the peasant himself will vote for the collective farm!” But Stalin did not wait for these tractors and forced the process! Again ... the unification of cattle, chickens and other animals into a collective farm from private farms is sheer nonsense! And in the 90s, I witnessed the opposite process, by the way, to this day, when large Too and PCs by any means do not allow farmers to stand out with their Share and equipment for a share! Only 10% of peasants want to become farmers, so they do not And now big households are sometimes run by complete stupid people and thieves, and a normal man should have the opportunity to send them to ----- and to cultivate his land with his family himself - the benefit of technology is now any Shaft! Science, even in our country, even in the West, is mainly concerned with the state! And there, too, your Land (Agricultural destination) is not there, read their laws! And in conclusion, the USSR had enough grain in its gross harvest, and bought fodder, while exporting 1 cool grain to Europe and FOOD half of Africa, Asia and Latin America! Let Ladies with GDP announce how many tons of milk and meat they are producing, and I assure you that they will have to buy grain in order to reach the 85th year!

[Antares]

Quote: kalibr

It was a process aimed at changing the mentality of the population, and carried out very quickly. Analogue - "bloody laws" against vagrants and beggars in England after fencing. That is why the repressions in their mass affected 60% of the peasants.

all right. People were shot in layers, forming a completely new mentality. But it was based on the traditional peasant Russian.
The analogue is not enclosure, but VGF. A similar situation before the dictator.

[Cowbra]

Listen, so that with you - in general, at least something similar should be brought to the dialogue, answer the simple question that they are hardly considered in the manuals. Whom did the Austrians knock out at Thalerhof? Who wrote denunciations to whom?

[Antares]

Quote: Cowbra

Whom did the Austrians knock out at Thalerhof? Who wrote denunciations to whom?

if the question is for me, the answer is standard. All "Unreliable". Like the United States of Japanese origin.
And everyone and Russophiles and Ukrainophiles and many others were on the list .. Everything was important there against AV ...

[Cowbra]

As always, they didn’t answer. Question asked - where is the answer?
Already good - what do you understand. about what. But this - I do not understand

[Kurdyukov]

60% of peasants are not less than 100 million. Would you even count on a calculator or something so as not to submit

[kalibr]

60% of repressed! Read carefully !!!

[tasha]

Bazhenov Valerian Ivanovich (1889 - 1938) Head of the Department of Radio Engineering of the Moscow Aviation Institute, Doctor of Technical Sciences, founder of domestic radio navigation and radio direction finding, author of many inventions in the field of radio business. First arrested in 1930, released in 1932. Arrested again on November 19, 1937. Signed for repression in the first category (execution) in the list "Moscow Center" dated September 29, 1938 for 61 people. by I. Shapiro's presentation. Sentence of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on October 3, 1938 on charges of participation in a counter-revolutionary terrorist organization. Signatures: Stalin, Molotov. He was shot and buried at Kommunarka (Moscow Region) on October 3, 1938. Rehabilitated 3 March 1956.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tasha

terrorist organization. Signatures: Stalin, Molotov. He was shot and buried at Kommunarka (Moscow Region) on October 3, 1938. Rehabilitated on March 3, 1956.

If you read the case file, then you would sign. Do you not think that Stalin and Molotov should have checked every case with bias?

[tasha]

Don't you think

Not. I just want the author and readers to look at the photos and see people for dry numbers and often empty phrases ..

[Antares]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you not think that Stalin and Molotov should have checked every case with bias?

I looked at how many prominent scientists were put under the knife ... I don’t even know the meaning in the photo, there you can create a gallery to get a picture

In total, under Article 58 of the Criminal Code and standard charges of counter-revolutionary, anti-Soviet, terrorist activity, dozens of prominent scientists and hundreds of less significant scientists were physically destroyed. 94 of 140 doctors of sciences and professors who were destroyed in Moscow in 1937-38 received execution sanctions from Stalin, Molotov and other members of the Politburo. Many scientists were arrested several times. For example, VN Beneshevich (archaeographer, historian), a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a member of the Academies in Strasbourg, Munich and Berlin, was arrested in 1922, 1928, 1930 and the last time in 1937. He was shot on January 27, 1938, in the same year he was shot sons and brother. Physiologist E.M. Kreps (corresponding member of the USSR Academy of Sciences since 1946), was arrested in 1919, 1933, 1937, served time in Kolyma, several times was on the verge of death. However, he managed to survive, was released in March 1940, and later lived and worked in the Meadow.

poor Stalin and Molotov, signed without looking.
Last name, as I understand it, is nothing, quantity is everything.
Among the Russians, Ukrainians, and others, I found several foreigners (by origin or roots) who chose the USSR with their hearts, it would be better if they thought a wallet! Would be livelier!
Shpilrein Yan Nikolaevich (Naftulovich) (1887-1938) - a prominent scientist in the field of mathematics, theoretical mechanics and electrical engineering. He graduated from the Department of Physical and Mathematical Sciences of the Sorbonne and the Higher Polytechnic School in Karlsruhe. Polish origin. Since 1911 he was an assistant professor at the University of Stuttgart, where he defended his thesis. In 1916 he published the first edition of his textbook on vector calculus in theoretical mechanics and electrical engineering (in German). In the second half of 1918 he returned from Stuttgart to Russia, taught at the Krasnodar Polytechnic Institute. Corresponding member of the USSR Academy of Sciences in the Department of Mathematical and Natural Sciences (electrical engineering) since 1933. Professor of the Faculty of Electrical Engineering of the Moscow Technical University. He worked in the Technical Department of the Supreme Economic Council, a member of the qualification commission of the People’s Commissariat of Heavy Industry and the Higher Attestation Commission. He is one of the founders of the Moscow Power Engineering Institute, before his arrest he was a professor, head of the department of higher mathematics, dean of the general and electrophysical faculties of MPEI. The main works on the application of vector calculus, tensor analysis and other mathematical methods in electrical engineering, heat engineering and radio engineering; author of the first reference book in the USSR on special functions in engineering calculations. Arrested in 1937, sentenced to VMN on charges of counter-revolutionary activity; shot. Both his brothers were also shot. At the Academy of Sciences, it was restored by the General Assembly on March 5, 1957.
Could and should not have returned!
Hans Gustav Adolf Gelman (German: Hans Gustav Adolf Hellmann, October 14, 1903 - May 29, 1938) - German theoretical physicist, pioneer of quantum chemistry. Doctoral dissertation in Stuttgart under the direction of Professor Erich Regener. In 1929, Gelman received the post of assistant professor at the University of Hanover. After the Nazis came to power, Gelman was recognized as politically unreliable and was dismissed on December 24, 1933. He adhered to leftist views, spoke out against racial theory, but the main reason for his dismissal was the nationality of his Jewish wife. Having two offers - from the United States of America and the Soviet Union - he chose the latter. The main reason for choosing the USSR was the fascination with socialist ideas and the Ukrainian past of his wife. In 1933, Gelman moved to the Soviet Union with his family and received the post of head of the theoretical group of the laboratory of the structure of matter Y. K. Syrkin at the Karpov Physical-Chemical Institute in Moscow. In 1935, he accepted Soviet citizenship and received a doctorate. In 1937 he published the monograph Quantum Chemistry, the world's first textbook on quantum chemistry (a German edition was published in Vienna that same year). He was arrested on March 9, 1938, charged under article 58 of espionage in favor of Germany, and shot on May 28 of the same year at the age of 34. In 1957, he was posthumously rehabilitated.
This one generally ... seems smart but made a mistake. The Nazis just fired him. The USA made an offer. The USSR seemed the place of the future .. And it turned out to be its cemetery ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Antares

I looked at how many prominent scientists were put under the knife ... I don’t even know the meaning in the photo, there you can create a gallery to get a picture

Yeah, "prominent scientists" is an indisputable fact that they could not be enemies of Soviet power.
Or "sent Cossacks".

[kalibr]

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Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you think that Stalin and Molotov should have checked each case with passion?

Obliged!

[passerby]

Is it okay to sign a death sentence without understanding whether a person is guilty or not? Perhaps this is the essence of proletarian "justice."

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: passerby

Is it okay to sign a death sentence without understanding whether a person is guilty or not? Perhaps this is the essence of proletarian "justice."

According to your post, I understand that you are not of "proletarian" origin. Those. - noble? And since "noble", then - literate, and therefore must understand that, in order, as you write, to understand, it takes some time. After all, in your opinion, Stalin should not have trusted the presented case materials. He himself had to carry out investigative measures, interrogation of victims, witnesses, a suspect. Himself to conduct court sessions. So? No? Multiply all this by the number of cases and you get the time spent. Still, I do not understand - Stalin who works for you? An investigator? Judge? The prosecutor? Only those cases were brought to Stalin for signature under the COURT's verdict, in which Stalin could postpone the punishment on the basis of POLITICAL EXPECTIVENESS. The court did not ask for confirmation of the verdict, but on the terms of execution of the verdict. Only Stalin knew the sentenced person would need if he was alive or not. The court could postpone the execution of the death sentence and send the convicted person to the camp, from which, in the event of a POLITICAL need, he could be removed, washed, cut and presented at the place of demand. If the political situation changed and there was no need for a convicted person, the sentence was carried out. Those. the court's decision remained in effect.
That is, Stalin did not intervene in court decisions, he could only ask the court to postpone the punishment for POLITICAL reasons, which the court could not know a priori!

[passerby]

Before you write in the question, at least understand. Enlighten, here's a quote for you. "In 1937-1938. The sentences of the All-Russian Supreme Council of the All-Russian Supreme Council were handed down in accordance with the lists compiled by the NKVD bodies and signed by the highest leadership of the USSR. The lists contained lists of persons whom it was planned to convict in the HCVF of the USSR with the sanction of I.V. Stalin and his closest associates in the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (for various punishments - overwhelmingly - for execution [5]. Persons on the lists were divided into the first (VMN), second (10 - 15 years in prison or ITL) and third (5 - 8 years in prison) categories, depending on the planned punishment. The lists signed by the members of the Politburo were transmitted to the HCAB. Each category displayed the maximum allowable sentence for the person assigned to it. The court procedure was simplified to the limit: the hearing took place without witnesses and lasted an average of 5-10 minutes (in rare cases, up to half an hour). During this time, three judges had to “explain to the defendant his rights, announce the indictment [...] clarify the essence of the accusation, find out the defendant’s attitude to“ committed crimes “, listen to his testimony and the last word [...] to go to the consultation room, write the verdict there and, returning to the courtroom, declare it ... ”[6] Death sentences were not announced to the defendants - they found out about their fate immediately before the execution [7]. The “list” conviction mechanism in the HCVS was also used after 1938 [8] ”

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bystander

quote. "In 1937-1938. The sentences of the All-Russian Supreme Council of the All-Russian Supreme Council were handed down in accordance with the lists compiled by the NKVD bodies and signed by the highest leadership of the USSR. The lists contained lists of persons whom it was planned to convict in the HCVF of the USSR with the sanction of I.V. Stalin and his closest associates in the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (for various punishments - overwhelmingly - for execution [5]. Faces in

One bastard, is it really Volkogonov (?), Picking his nose, wrote all this, and you mess up nothing, you believe in all this slander.
Therefore, I am forwarding your advice to you. Always check the source of the information. This is the basis of the search for truth.

[passerby]

Saying “you're lying” is certainly easy. Refute. Give your sources and let's figure it out.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: passerby

Saying “you're lying” is certainly easy. Refute. Give your sources and let's figure it out.

We will not understand. 1. The wrong format. 2. I do not need this. 3. To convince you of something is a waste of time. 4. If you want to figure out something, a dispute with someone is not your assistant.
I can give you a hint. By the decision of the Supreme Council, the so-called "Special meetings" were created in the regions. Those. it is quite a legitimate body. For what? The fact is that, then, as today, there were a lot of organized crime groups (organized crime groups). The leaders of these groups themselves do not commit crimes. But the local police officers knew them, but according to the law, they could not do anything with them. Therefore, they made lists of persons, not only the organizers of the organized criminal group, but also other asocial persons, whom, I repeat, it was not possible to attract under the current legislation, and transferred them to the OC (Special Meeting). Members of the OC were: the secretary of the regional committee, the chairman of the regional council and early. ATC.
The one who wrote to you, and not only that - “In 1937-1938. the verdicts of the HCVS were passed in accordance with the lists drawn up by the NKVD organs and signed by the top leadership of the USSR. = knew about "lists" and even more, but perverted this knowledge with his conjectures and concealment of certain points.
He did not say about who was included in the lists, who made these lists, who made decisions on these lists (do you really think that in order to repress some organizer of the organized crime group in the city of Mukhos, Stalin’s sanction was necessary? ) and one more important thing - the Armed Forces, adopting a resolution on the OS, immediately limited its activity - the highest punishment that the OS could apply - 6 years in camps. All! Because - without trial !!!
This is a hint. Further, if you wish, find out for yourself. I, too, began to understand only in the early 90's.

[horlet]

Solovyov’s surname is Shapiro! That’s why now you can’t find Russians there in the afternoon with fire! They shot it, and the smartest nation appropriated the development for themselves!

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

Bazhenov Valerian Ivanovich (1889 - 1938), head of the Department of Radio Engineering of the Moscow Aviation Institute, Doctor of Technical Sciences, founder of domestic radio navigation and radio direction finding, author of many inventions in the field of radio business. First arrested in 1930, released in 1932. Arrested again on November 19, 1937.

Bazhenov V.I. the tsarist, bourgeois specialist, went to the service of the Soviet power, but did not recognize it, and therefore conducted anti-Soviet propaganda among students, for which, in the early 30s he was arrested, it didn’t benefit him, he began to participate in the work of an underground anti-Soviet organization, for which he paid with his life. Here you can only regret one thing, that a good scientist became an anti-Soviet, went against his people. The rehabilitation of 1956 was not an indicator, at that time even the SS, Bandera and Vlasov people granted amnesty.

[nikvic46]

According to the repressions, the author revealed only a grain of truth. I will not speak about the bright personalities who suffered during these purges. A whole huge chain of honest people were recognized as spies, pests. Not only were they deprived of Honor, their families suffered as well. The workers themselves were destroyed. NKVD. It was enough to write
denunciation, and only a handful of people returned to ordinary life. No one from Western countries was going to give away the property of the USSR. A lot of money was paid for all foreign specialists. It is worth referring to the second edition of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, published in 1949, and published in 1954, and look into the section "Economy of the USSR". We will see that from 1927-1933 money was paid ,
only in 1933 the debt of our country began to vanish. It was in this year that the whole country was difficult, not
elected republics.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nikvic46

By repression, the author discovered only a grain of truth

And I believe that this topic should be closed. All the same, grinding the topic will not lead to anything positive. No one in their right mind and clear memory will deny that so many innocent people suffered during the repression. No one, in their right mind and clear memory, will deny that during the time of repression the vast majority received what they deserved.
I believe that this article appeared for a reason. Someone really wants to re-sow discord in our already unstable society. Because the assessment of these events leads to confrontation.
If I had my way, I would forbid writing on this topic in the media. Let them write on this topic in historical journals, in "Man and Law", etc.

[nikvic46]

I also think that you can’t go forward, looking back all the time. But, I don’t agree with you that most of them got what they deserved. When the war started, many military men were sent to the front in the former
ranks. How can General Horbaty be restored if the court recognized him as an enemy of the people before?

[kalibr]

Please note that NOBODY of the commentators refers to articles in authoritative publications, such as MILITARY HISTORICAL JOURNAL, ISSUES OF HISTORY, STATE HISTORY AND LAW ... At best, they take something from the sites, or use the fact that "and so they know. " That is, the level of controversy is conducted at the kitchen, philistine, extremely low level. There are only a few of those who rise above it. But there is a reason to "blow off steam", to cheer ... So ... historical magazines, of course, good. "Man and the Law" - excellent! But the bulk needs to be discharged. Need a "fight in the saloon." So people get it ...

[Reptiloid]

I think, Vyacheslav Olegovich, people don’t need a fight in the saloon, but we all just learn to speak on rare and important topics for all of us. Where else? Only here !! But those who already know how ----- they quickly provide links that they consider necessary.

[kalibr]

I would like to see in such complex materials at least some kind of evidence base in the form of links to archival materials and publications in reputable publications. And so this is nothing more than an opinion, moreover, absolutely not supported by anything. "People walk on their hands, people walk on their feet" - I see it this way ...

[wooja]

yes, I would like to ... but archives and reputable publications are also subject to the influence of the authorities and time, and many documents are not stored at all ... or stored forever. Only circumstantial evidence and evidence .... Unfortunately

[kalibr]

Quote: wooja

Yes, I would like to ..., but archives and reputable publications are also subject to the influence of the authorities and time, and many documents are not stored at all ... or stored forever.

Your awareness just amazes me ...

[wooja]

oh leave ...

[wooja]

Repressions ... yes were necessary, the author very beautifully and smoothly stated the essence, post-Soviet correctness ..., the problem is that the goals of the repressions were not achieved, they were not Stalinist, rather party, what was happening in the country in censorship terms indescribably, an underground civil war, unfortunately, repression was necessary in that country and at that time ....

[tasha]

Samoilovich Alexander Nikolaevich (1880-1938) - Soviet orientalist, academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences (1929), one of the largest Russian Turkologists of the first half of the 20th century. He conducted research on the language, folklore, life of the Turkic-speaking peoples of the Crimea, Volga region, the North Caucasus, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Kazakhstan, and Altai. He participated in the creation of written languages ​​for the languages ​​of the peoples of the USSR. The main works on the language, literature, folklore and ethnography of the Turks, on general issues of Turkology, the genetic classification of Turkic languages, etc. Director of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Academy of Sciences. He taught in the eastern branch of the Academy of the General Staff of the Red Army. 1937 was arrested in early October on charges of espionage in favor of Japan, the creation of a terrorist organization, the dissemination of ideas of pan-Turkism. 13 February 1938 shot. Excluded from the Academy of Sciences by the General Meeting on April 29 1938, reinstated on December 14 1956. Rehabilitated 25 August 1956.

[wooja]

Colleagues most likely laid ...., the person got into circulation

[tasha]

Here is the link to the full selection:
http://old.ihst.ru/projects/sohist/papers/vostok/1996/5/153-162.pdf
Just in case, if you are not comfortable reading pdf, I will leave a short selection:

The reasons for the arrest are not exactly known; one can only put forward hypotheses. Alexander Nikolaevich was very loyal to the Soviet regime ..., even tried to master Marxism. He was not associated with any opposition in the party. There is a version that he was shot as a nobleman and descendant of the hetman of Ukraine I.S. Samoilovich; ... In the investigation, the nobility was mentioned in passing, but the hetman and Ukrainian relations were not affected at all. More plausible is the “Turkish trace”: A.N. Samoilovich had close ties with Turkish scholars and visited Turkey several times. ... even the traditional “Turkicism” in the investigative affairs of Turkologists, unexpectedly associates with Japan, and not with Turkey.

PROTOCOL of the preparatory meeting of the Military College of the Supreme Court of the USSR SSR 12 February 1938
...
3. Hear the case in a closed court session, without the participation of the prosecution and the defense and without calling witnesses, in accordance with the law of December 1, 1934

PROTOCOL of a closed court session of the visiting session of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR SSR 13 February 1938
The meeting is open at 12 hour. 45 min
The court retired to the meeting.
В 13 hours 00 hours The meeting is closed.

SENTENCE
The preliminary and judicial investigation established that Samoylovich A.N. Beginning in 1907, he was an agent of Japanese intelligence agencies, and after the October Socialist Revolution in 1917 in Russia, Samoilovich continued to cooperate with Japanese intelligence and had counterrevolutionary relations with resident of Japanese intelligence Vorobiev and carried out counterrevolutionary work on the creation of an anti-Soviet movement among the Soviet Union
Turkic peoples. In 1935-36 Samoilovich created a counter-revolutionary nationalist organization, which set itself the task of tearing national suburbs from the USSR and subordinating them to Japanese influence. The implementation of the above was meant by applying terrorist methods of struggle against the leaders of the CPSU (b) and the Soviet Government. In this way
Samoilovich’s guilt of committing crimes under Art. Art. 58-1, 58-8 and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.
On the basis of the above ...
Sentenced: ... Samoilovich Alexander Nikolaevich to capital punishment -
execution with confiscation of all property belonging to him personally.

Definition No. 4н - 07125 / 56 Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR (On Rehabilitation)
Samoilovich’s accusation is based on his testimony, in which he pleaded guilty, and on the testimonies of the convicted Voznesensky Arseniy Nikolaevich, Bremman, and Choban-zade, of whom the first two claimed that from the words of the Japanese intelligence agents Ued and Maruyama they became aware of Samoilovich’s belonging to Japanese intelligence agents, and Choban-zade confirmed that Samoilovich was aware of all the counter-revolutionary activities of the pan-Turkist organization. However, none of them: neither Voznesensky, nor Bremman, nor Choban-zade gave evidence of what exactly the criminal activity of the convict consisted of.

[wooja]

no words .... holy naivety .....

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

Samoilovich Alexander Nikolaevich (1880-1938) - Soviet orientalist, academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences

Similarly with Bazhenov, they were all not Soviet people, although they served the Soviet government, they could not accept the leading role of the working class, and therefore there was a strong nostalgia for the old regime, for the privileges that they had before the revolution. They all secretly hoped for an early collapse of Soviet power, and therefore took part in anti-Soviet organizations.

[Gardamir]

An article about old years, but must be considered from the point of view of the modern type. Arshukov was arrested, but everyone in the Senate and the government can be, and there is certainly something for that.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gardamir

An article about old years, but must be considered from the point of view of the modern type. Arshukov was arrested, but everyone in the Senate and the government can be, and there is certainly something for that.

I think there is 99,9% for that .. and moreover, not just for that, but for a long time .. 15-20 years ..

[oracul]

Let us not confuse repression with the effective control in the management and organization of production at the present time. The brutal time - the devastation after the civil war, the restoration of the economy and defense as soon as possible and the need for further development in the conditions of a total lack of resources and personnel, accompanied by a fierce political struggle for power, fueled, including from outside, accordingly gave rise to cruel methods of assessment and reactions to what is happening. It was a matter of life and death of the country, the Soviet government. The USSR, in spite of the grave consequences of the Second World War, got stronger and developed, and the education of people improved. New conditions required new methods of work and management. But this was not liked by everyone, some wanted to maintain their high position, or even to rise higher, to have eternal privileges not deserved by honest work, not to answer for anything, live a free bohemian life, not be like the majority. The liberals helped to realize this. The problem is that liberalism in private is one thing, and in the management of the state, production and entrepreneurship it is completely different - a direct path to bankruptcy, destruction. They are not able to understand this. Effective management without a monitoring function is not possible. And no digital economy can help, because it is just a tool that is dead without decision-making people.

[depressant]

Everything written above is correct. All are right - both those who are "for" and those who are "against". But in blood and horror, in incredible torment, suffering, fits of despair and grief, a New World was born - the World of Light and Good, the World of Noon, which called for the service of people who are pure and courageous, decent and initiative, responsible for the country. Virtue was disinterestedness and mutual assistance, and on their basis - serving the Motherland ... The life path of a person is short ... Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, the most Russian of all Russians, "Russian of Georgian origin", as he said about himself, did not have enough time to live, historical time to make World noon took place. Once he set the bar high, and, condemning his impulse, we sign our own unwillingness to take it.
Long live the great Stalin!

[tasha]

Nadson George Adamovich (1867-1939) botanist, microbiologist, geneticist. Honored Scientist of the RSFSR, Corr. USSR Academy of Sciences, professor of botany, director of the Institute of Microbiology, USSR Academy of Sciences; Editor of the first Russian journal on general microbiology. Nadson's works are devoted to the geological activity of microorganisms, the effect of damaging factors on them. He proved on lower fungi the possibility of artificially producing mutations under the influence of ionizing radiation, and investigated the patterns of induced variability of microbes. Arrested in October 1937. on charges of counter-revolutionary wrecking activity. The circumstances of the death are unknown. Rehabilitated, at the Academy restored by the General Meeting on February 1 1956.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

Nadson George Adamovich (1867-1939) is a botanist, microbiologist, geneticist. Honored Scientist of the RSFSR, Corr. USSR Academy of Sciences, professor of botany, director of the Institute of Microbiology, USSR Academy of Sciences; editor of Russia's first journal in general microbiology

You decided to bring the whole martyrology. This is regrettable, of course, but this is the fate of all the old specialists who could not accept the ideas of socialism, and who, to one degree or another, participated in the struggle against Soviet power.

[rayruav]

as always in life and nature, the struggle and unity of opposites, the truth somewhere in the middle

[1536]

Alas, the so-called "Stalinist repressions" did nothing and did not lead to anything. It is unlikely that Russia as a state would have ceased to exist by the 1930s, but the USSR rested in a bose, ruined by survivors, and often by cadres born during the years of repression. But the fact that many active, intelligent, educated people in Russia were destroyed by these repressions, and then in the Great Patriotic War, many died, that they did not have children, that their unborn children have their children - the grandchildren of the destroyed, we now feel very acutely ... Repression and war drove out many people who were necessary for the development of the country. But in the system of power that developed in the 1930s, these people were, unfortunately, superfluous.

[BAI]

The author again pulls up some kind of nonsense, under a fact known to professional historians - in the 30s terror was inevitable, regardless of who would be in power: Lenin or Stalin. This is the logic of the development of events. It is only necessary to explain this with a normal historical analysis, as doctors of historical sciences do, and not near-scientific nonsense.
And we must not forget that the first Cheka to be shot were bribe-takers, not political "enemies of the revolution." And then the economic and criminal component always had a large share. By no means all of the repressed are political, and now I enroll all those arrested without exception as political.

[high]

Stalin was one of the greatest criminals of all time.
He created a terrible, anti-human system of governing the country, built on lies, violence and killings.
Stalin created the System, in which half killed the other half.
Stalin is personally guilty of genocide against the people and his country, of the death of millions of innocent people .... criminally defending the killer.

[naidas]

Quote: alta

Stalin was one of the greatest criminals of all time.

Well then, Roosevelt outdid him.

[high]

Apparently, you mean Hitler?

[naidas]

No, it’s national concentration camps and labor camps under Roosevelt. Look at the statistics. Yes, and shootings of hungry riots. In California, the National Guard had the right to shoot the poorly dressed come.

[high]

How many millions of their fellow Americans destroyed Roosevelt?

[naidas]

in 1940, the US population, while maintaining the previous demographic trends, should have been at least 141,856 million people. The actual population of the country in 1940 amounted to only 131,409 million,
For lemon per year, Americans disappeared, Stalin during the reign (more than 20 years) 600-700 thousand.
According to the AFL (American Federation of Labor), only 1932 percent of workers remained full-time in 10. Many old people died immediately, a large number of children were missing, which is associated with the hungry phenomenon of "Duststorms." in total in 1933-1939 in public works under the auspices of the Public Works Administration (PWA) and the Civil Works Administration - CBA (this is the construction (belomor) of canals, roads, bridges, often in uninhabited and swampy malaria areas), with a one-time number employed up to 3,3 million. (compare how many in the USSR).
President Franklin Roosevelt authorized internment by signing Emergency Decree No. 19 on February 1942, 9066, which allowed the military authorities to define “eviction zones” and remove any persons from them. As a result, all citizens of Japanese descent were forcibly evicted from the Pacific coast, including from California and most of Oregon and Washington, to internment camps.
You can recall the scandal with photos of the Ukrainian famine (Poroshenko actively used them), which turned out to be pictures of American hungry.

[depressant]

All commentators of the article were divided into two camps, in one of which those who condemn Stalin, in the other those who exalt him. So why does the joint camp refuse the possibility of such a separation to the people of the Stalin era? It was this separation, and the intensity of passions, with each party fully convinced of their rightness, was extremely high - after all, the Civil War had just ended! This led to mass repression. Repression is like a continuation of the war, from which it was psychologically difficult to get out.

[naidas]

Quote: depressant

Repression is like a continuation of the war

Nonsense, repression is the struggle for the existence of the country, few agree to work hard and get little. Many want here and now.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: depressant

Repression is like a continuation of the war,

This is a continuation of the class struggle, which, as it moves towards socialism, only intensifies. As soon as Khrushchev announced in 1961 that the USSR had become a nation-wide state, and the CPSU - the party of the whole people, and waged the class struggle against bourgeois ideology, over the next 30 years it led to the disarmament of the working class and the restoration of capitalism.

[Yustet1950]

We agree that people who manage big money flows are called MONEY, and people who manage states are called POLITICS. Can any country live without money today? The answer will be no. Consequently, if the state does not have its own currency, to whom POLICY will apply to receive them. It is clear that one must ask for MONEY. This is the foundation of US power. But Russia today began to openly talk about it and get rid of dollar dependence. Naturally, this undermines the foundation of US power and therefore greatly worries them.
Until MONEY rules the world, there will be no PEACE on Earth.

[kalibr]

Quote: depressant

ended the civil war! This led to massive repression. Repression is like the continuation of a war from which it was psychologically difficult to get out.

There have been many interesting studies confirming this point of view ... Even the Second World War had the same component.

[Alexander X]

Talking about history in the subjunctive mood is unacceptable ... It is necessary to analyze the results. The result was that Russia turned from an agrarian country into an Industrial Power. She could survive in the most severe bloody war. The excess of fertility over mortality in the postwar years. So the government was effective.
Let's conduct an express analysis of life under the "liberal government" since 1990. and further: the collapse of the USSR, the fall in production, the excess of deaths over births. This means that the "liberal" approach is ineffective and harms the state .... IMHO ... and no nice words about the ruined scientists, innocent murdered ....
After the collapse of the USSR, how many no less talented scientists were lost for Russia? And how many abortions did women have because of hopelessness? And how many people drank and died from the loss of prospects? But this is also killing people, not by bullets, but by economic means .... But at the same time, Russia did not make a leap in its development, as it was to Stalin ... So all the victims of the post-Soviet period are in vain ... IMHO ...

[tasha]

It is necessary to analyze the results.

Totally agree with you..

So the government was effective.

And this state collapsed without lasting 70 years. After that, what you listed began ... i.e. all these people were killed in vain ...

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

Those. all these people were killed in vain ...

No, not in vain. Otherwise, the Soviet state would no longer be in 1941 and your master would be called Hans.

[tasha]

There is good power, which, in order to win, had to kill three smart people. Yes, and 4 years before the war ...

And you are sure that this is not a fake, they have now thrown us a lot.

Where is the guarantee that the characteristics that you so easily distributed to the people I mentioned are not based on the same "fakes"?
"your master's name would be Hans." This history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. If yes, let us leave kabism to alternative writers. However, as you like: "And this owner Hans went in the evening to relax, in the company of brothel worker A." ... Please, be careful with the tags. It is not necessary to write nasty things about the interlocutor ..

The book came across an interesting: "Without the stamp" Secret. "Notes of the military prosecutor
Viktorov Boris Alekseevich ".

[tasha]

"in the company of a brothel worker A ..." somehow evil happened .. Yeah .. Sorry ..
Here is softer:
How are you yourself? You did not recognize the current government, judging by the comments. Speak critically about her, you have strong strong nostalgia for the old days. Nuts on the roads of capitalist construction, most likely, do not unscrew, but still. You have some explicit or implicit impact on what is happening. If you are not mistaken, take part in the organization ... So maybe you are the cause of all our difficulties?
And in a hundred years someone will write: "This is regrettable, of course, but this is the fate of all old specialists who could not accept the ideas of capitalism ..".

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

And in a hundred years someone will write: “This is regrettable, of course, but this is the fate of all the old experts who could not accept the ideas of capitalism.

She won’t write, because socialism will win anyway. everything goes to this, and all over the world, pay attention to events in France, in Italy, in Serbia.

Quote: tasha

Writing nasty things about the interlocutor is not necessary much mind ..

Do you mean about Hans? What’s offensive here? If there had been no purges of the late 30s, then the 5th column, which was large, would have surrendered the USSR to Hitler, My parents would have been shot, because they both fought against the Germans, and if yours remained alive and you were born, then, at best, they would clean the boots of the owner.

[tasha]

She won’t write, because socialism will win anyway

Agree, under a less liberal regime, it would be high time you were in the basement. For the same reasons, as you write, A.N. Samoilovich ... Then socialism will win anyway, which means they killed you in vain ..

and if yours remained alive, and you were born, then, at best, you would clean your master’s boots

Ai-yayayay. And if yours were not shot, then - read above? Do you need such an answer?

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

Agree, under a less liberal regime, it would be high time you were in the basement.

And we have already planted and shot, but not to shoot everyone.

Quote: tasha

Ai-yayayay. And if yours were not shot, then - read above? Do you need such an answer?

In this case, I, too, would have to clean the Hans boots with you. But this is not a fact, because my parents would not have come to terms with it, and either they or I died in the struggle.

[tasha]

And we already plant and shoot

Really, I exclaimed in bewilderment? Can you confirm with specific examples?

because my parents would not put up with it

Confidence in your parents is wonderful. But no reason to pour mud on others ..

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

Can you confirm with specific examples?

http://bolshevick.org/vmgb-kratkaya-istoriya-bolshevistskoj-molodyozhi/#more-2766
The Odessa Case, which thundered throughout Ukraine in the late autumn of 2002, and known as the Odessa Komsomol Case, was in fact the VMGB Case.
Several Young Guard men went to jail. (received a period of 6 to 14 years - Green)
... our comrade - activist of the Odessa MGB Sergey Berdyugin was killed. (hammered in prison - Green)
In 2009, the VMGB (VKPB Georgy Kaspiev) ceased to exist after the death of the former secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks.
The terror and repression against the organizations of the All-Ukrainian MGB by the SBU slowly grew into political killings. It was the executioners of the SBU in the period from 2004 to 2010. such famous Bolsheviks as were killed: Alexander Kaspruk (I Secretary of the Central Committee of the PC (b) U, 2004), Alexander Kozak (Deputy Secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Russian State Security Bureau, VKP (b), 2009), Pavel Zemlyakov (Secretary of the Central Committee of the PC (b) U , 2010), Arkady Birman (Secretary of the Central Committee of the PC (b) U, 2010).

Quote: tasha

Confidence in your parents is wonderful. But there is no reason to pour mud on others.

Nobody poured mud on your parents, I just wrote to say that it would be with us if the fifth column had surrendered the USSR to Germany in 1941. There are many statements on the Internet about this, such as "If we surrendered to Germany, then today we would drink Bavarian beer" I deeply doubt this, I think that they did not drink beer, but at best they cleaned the boots of the Hans, and at worst they would not have been born.

[tasha]

"The arrested were charged with: organizing an explosion near the building of the Security Service of Ukraine (in retaliation for beating up participants in the peaceful protest action" Rise, Ukraine "); expropriation of funds (attacks on jewelry stores and currency exchanges) and accumulation of weapons to support the activities of the group and prepare an uprising in Ukraine; calls for the overthrow of the regime (by distributing newspapers). "....

You materials on the case of Samoilovich A.N. Have you looked? The bomb did not detonate, studied Marxism, did not shoot at the arrest ...

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: tasha

You materials on the case of Samoilovich A.N. Have you looked? The bomb did not detonate, studied Marxism, did not shoot at the arrest ...

I looked. But is not working for foreign intelligence a crime? Communicating with Turkish and Japanese diplomats while intensifying tensions between the USSR and Japan, which ended in military conflicts, is a convincing fact.

But it is possible that “fellow scientists” who wrote the denunciations “helped”. But what do you think, what to do to the investigator, if several denunciations are written on the person, to skip - they will accuse him of patronage, and when he began the investigation, the accused himself admitted during interrogations, and his colleagues confirmed the testimony.

The time will come and a special commission of investigators and scientists will check all these cases and then we will put an end to the "i", because we also cannot believe Khrushchev's rehabilitation, then they rehabilitated everyone en masse, only to slander I.V. Stalin, and therefore a lot of materials on repression were simply destroyed.

[tasha]

The time will come and a special commission of investigators and scientists will check all these cases and then we will dot the "i"

Very reasonable words.

because you don’t have to believe Khrushchev’s rehabilitation either, then they rehabilitated everyone in an ugly fashion only to slander I.V. Stalin, but because a lot of materials on the repression simply destroyed.

As it is not necessary to believe that all the repressed without exception were bandits, terrorists and pests ...
Sincerely.

[Antares]

Quote: Alexander X

The result was that Russia turned from an agrarian country into an Industrial Power. She could survive in the most severe bloody war. The excess of fertility over mortality in the postwar years. So the government was effective.

only on planet Earth does Russia have some special path of its own. Not only was there no luck with the climate, so also the paths are only bloody, long and not very effective ..
But there are no good examples on the planet without a lot of blood, without a lot of violence,
but no .. It’s all not our ways, to beg to be humiliated there, to live like everyone else,
And here is his special, bloody path, for the sake of a great goal and idea ...
Why is Russia so unlucky?
And here we again rest against the climate ...

[kalibr]

It is truth too! Klyuchevsky also said that we all came out of the rye field. The French from the vineyard, the Japanese from the rice, and the Chinese even say - "if you are lazy, this wheat!" The British have barley, the Americans have corn.

[Antares]

Quote: kalibr

Klyuchevsky also said that we all came out of the rye field. The French from the vineyard, the Japanese from the rice, and the Chinese even say - "if you are lazy, this wheat!" The British have barley, the Americans have corn.

We sowed rye in our risky farming zone without developing agriculture itself because rye is the most unpretentious cereal! And our spaces allowed us to conduct extensive farming.
Rye-yields low yields. Harvest himself three thank God ... But in Europe, there were already ten myself .. But again, the climate. Well, we were not lucky. The temperature and humidity in Europe are better.

Quote: kalibr

Frenchmen from the vineyard

also the climate. Even in the days of Rome, it was impossible to grow a vineyard above half of "Boots." (However, the climate of the Black Sea region was harsh and it was impossible there either)

Quote: kalibr

The Itai say this at all - "if you are lazy, this wheat!

Well, the Chinese were just lucky with the climate. Therefore, their civilization is thousands of years old. Therefore, the saying goes.
But at all times they worked for a handful of rice. And they formed a mentality of stubborn, efficient and slaughtered, without a problem.

Quote: kalibr

The British have barley

with these is not easy. .Yes and the Romans brought them oats (oatmeal sulfur).
By the way, like in Russians, the mentality was clearly formed due to the climate and island people.

Quote: kalibr

Americans have corn

it is hereditary from the empires of cannibals (Aztecs). Yes yes .. the use of one corn (maize) can lead to cannibalism (lack of serotonin). Maize kernels are extremely POOR by tryptophan.
But they themselves are former Europeans and brought with them wheat - a symbol of Roman and European civilizations. No cases of mass cannibalism were noticed from her (only in times of her shortage or illness, rye, by the way, too)
Climate forms a food basket (quantity quality) and behavior, food / its extraction forms physical and moral qualities

[naidas]

But the British were lucky in their revolution, the French in their revolution, the United States in defarming.

[tlSver4-KL (tat)]

Alexander X wrote:
"... and no nice words about the ruined scientists, innocent murdered ...!
, so do not kill, do not look for enemies where they are not, otherwise you chop the branch on which you sit.
-When people pronounce SUCH words, it becomes scary for the future.
Such people, once in power, without a heart and soul, become more dangerous than the external enemy. At least the Russians know and will be able to defeat the external enemy, but no one knows when to expect adversity from those nearby who have brains that do not work like those killed and living scientists. Those who have not developed their brain gyrus without any regret kill OTHERS.
The innocent victims, Alexander, are both workers and peasants and just people who could leave behind cultivated arable land, gardens and flowers, give birth to children who would become scientists, doctors and farmers. Cry and ask the Creator for forgiveness for disliking people.
They do not think that they are killing the future of their children and grandchildren. Nature is generous and diverse, including in relation to people, so do not chop the branch on which you sit.

[depressant]

And the last thing I can still say within the limits of my phone. A series of articles about I.V. Stalin is an implicit appeal of the President to the people in search of support for a policy of repression against the oligarchs and bureaucratic evil spirits. Stalin relied on the Russian people and won the Second World War. So do the same, Mr. President! Stop rotting us! Stop saying that we are, as it were, not! The army, consisting mainly of Russians, but being withdrawn from the GDR to a clean field, since 1989, the insulted army surrendered to the USSR! Support us at least in terms of citizenship, and we will unconditionally support you!

[kalibr]

It is very strange to read this, even stranger than this material itself ...

[mr.ZinGer]

Translate me into Russian
"there was only one way - the transition of the civilization matrix-code to the national project"
As I understand it, every sixth needs to be planted so that the rest go to Moscow for sausage.

[Antares]

Quote: mr.ZinGer

there was only one way - the transition of the civilization matrix-code to the national project "

the people want a king, hard, with violence. Notice how great they became. Mummies and little ones without wars, they don’t remember. They remember the great, love them (beats means love) and honor. Victims are nothing — glory and territory — everything.
Our former remnants of collectivism ... Damn climate, only urbanization will kill the desire of the "tough and beating king" and tourism to other countries (at least information)

Quote: mr.ZinGer

As I understand it, every sixth needs to be planted so that the rest go to Moscow for sausage.

It's funny that one in six thinks that it will not be him. He thinks that this is the category of "officials and thieves" - but who will direct the punitive system ...
The answer is a man of the system. With his gaze, emotions, around.
Such systems are not viable. Especially in our global information world!
I would not want a repetition for Russia. Rake. We do not have such "Fuel". (People). We have few people left for such experiments ..
Let's try again to spend "Fuel" - we risk being left without parts of the country's "aggregate", we will have nothing to hold onto the territory. They already exist in enclaves with narrow communications ..

[Kurdyukov]

Without this, we will have even fewer people. Without the fact that the law that has begun should be responsible for this. Labor and tax laws are not respected; the law is only for the poor. and the repression must begin with the prosecutor's office and the investigative committee (analogues of the NKVD). This is what Stalin did by placing Yezhov. He overdid it, but he completed the main task by clearing the NKVD. And for the illegal repression of Yezhov at 38, he himself answered. And now the authorities need the same cleaning, otherwise we will not get out of this ass.

[VRF]

After the words "red emperor" the reading finished.

[vlad]

Comrade Stalin, the catastrophe began with an unprecedented mountain of garbage at your grave. But all the same, there is good, because this notorious garbage is the foundation on which liberal society rests. Miserable nif nifs with nufs ....

[Steel falcon]

Russia had already ended by that time, had drowned like Atlantis. The Russians were killed, expelled, or forced to assimilate (only a few like Bulgakov survived in the red-controlled post-Russian territory, but this is a one hundred percent miracle), and the Soviets began to gnaw each other, because Sovietness itself is vitally in need of opposition to the "remnants of the bourgeoisie", "apostate deviators" "agents of imperialism", etc.

[kalibr]

The basis of "Soviet socialism" is the postulate of the growing class struggle in society. Hence the need for landings and executions. Well, the red emperor said, but he cannot be wrong!

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

The basis of "Soviet socialism" is the postulate of the growing class struggle in society. Hence the need for landings and executions. Well, the red emperor said, but he cannot be wrong!

So he was not mistaken. After the death of Stalin, the counter-revolution defeated.

[Geniy ​​yev]

Quote: Z.O.V.

For example, the most cruel investigator during the repressions of the 30s was Sofia Gertner, who worked in the Leningrad NKVD. For the "successful" identification of "enemies of the people" she in 1937. was awarded with a nominal gold watch, but it was Beria, who became acquainted with her methods of “work”, and ordered her to be taken into custody. In March 1940, she was shot.

Actually not shot. On January 31, 1941, she was sentenced by the Military Tribunal of the Internal Troops of the NKVD of the Leningrad Region to 10 years in prison.
During the Great Patriotic War, she was released and sent to the front, allegedly serving there in the SMERSH bodies.
She died in 1984 in Leningrad.

[Tomich3]

the author is not all right with his head

[kalibr]

Do not write this, and then the removal or even the ban is provided to you!

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Here I am about the same: LITTLE Stolypin of the Bolsheviks hung up.

[ccsr]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

Here I am about the same: LITTLE Stolypin of the Bolsheviks hung up.

You are interested in the history of Russia from which textbooks you studied - was it not Soros by chance?
Read what contemporaries of Stolypin wrote about him, and by the way, he did not hang the Bolsheviks, but hang the simple peasants, who did not know anything about the RSDLP.

Witte

"Nobody executed so much in the most ugly way as he, Stolypin, no one arbitrated as he did, no one spat on the law like him, no one destroyed so much as the appearance of justice, like him, Stolypin, and everything, accompanying liberal speeches and gestures. "

"Stolypin executes in vain: for robbing a shop, for stealing 6 rubles, just for a misunderstanding ... You can be a supporter of the death penalty, but the Stolypin regime abolished the death penalty and turned this type of punishment into simple murder, often completely meaningless, murder by mistake. In a word, there was a mishmash of government killings called the death penalty. "

Tolstoy
"I can not be silent"

“Seven death sentences: two in St. Petersburg, one in Moscow, two in Penza, two in Riga. Four executions: two in Kherson, one in Vilna, one in Odessa ”.
And this is in every newspaper. And this does not last a week, not a month, not a year, but years. And this happens in Russia, in that Russia in which the people consider every criminal unhappy and in which, until very recently, the law did not have the death penalty.
I remember how I was proud of this once before the Europeans, and here is the second, third year of continuous executions, executions, executions.
Today, 9 of May, something terrible. The newspaper has short words: "Today in Kherson on the Strelbitsky field twenty peasants were executed by hanging for robbery on the estate of the landowner in Yelisavetgrad district."
Twelve people from the very people whose labors we live by, the very ones whom we have corrupted and corrupting with all our might, starting from the poison of vodka and to that terrible lie of faith, in which we do not believe, but which we are trying to impress upon them with all our strengths - twelve such people are strangled with ropes by the very people whom they feed and dress and build up and who have corrupted and corrupted them.

[Victorio]

Those wishing to write this kind of populist / provocative article should start their story about the cruelty of mankind since the days of the ancient Egyptian kingdom. many examples and material for years to come

[kalibr]

Quote: McAr

Dimitrova: "Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital."

Then we had fascism! There was terror, there was a dictatorship, there was chauvinism - "a new historical community of people, the Soviet people", there was a red emperor - see the article, and if there was an emperor, then there was an empire. Finally, all financial capital was in the hands of the state, and the adherents from the Politburo returned to them.

[Vlad5307]

They did not turn back, but controlled. And According to the Constitution, in the interests of the people, it is true that after the death of I.V. Stalin, at first it is in the interests of only the state, and in the later period of decay, it is more and more to the benefit of those beloved (not about the Politburo). Deviation from the idea resulted in the destruction of the state.

[Steel falcon]

Fascism, first of all, is an extreme adherence to the national tradition. The Bolsheviks, from the very beginning, completely broke with Russian statehood, and outwardly copying the forms of normal statehood, playing the card of "patriotism", adjusting Russian history to their dogmas and presenting some kind of absurdity as Russian culture, they began only when it became clear that the world revolution will never take place, and they will have to be content with only what has already been won.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

Then we had fascism! There was terror, there was a dictatorship, there was chauvinism - "a new historical community of people, the Soviet people", there was a red emperor - see the article, and if there was an emperor, then there was an empire. Finally, all financial capital was in the hands of the state, and the adherents from the Politburo returned to them.

It is a shame for a former teacher of the History of the CPSU to write this. The fact that someone called Stalin "the red emperor" does not mean that he was. And about chauvinism with capital too. In the USSR there was a brotherhood of peoples, socialist state and collective farm-cooperative property, which worked for the whole of society. After all, V.I. Lenin defined socialism as: "Socialism is a state monopoly that works for the whole of society." Didn't you use public funds?

[kalibr]

Quote: Antares

Climate forms a food basket (quantity quality) and behavior, food / its extraction forms physical and moral qualities

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Radical]

In Europe, aggressive, authoritarian, Nazi and fascist regimes quickly aimed at war with Soviet Russia matured.

They not only matured, they were "bred", like a new breed of animals, or a variety of plants, were raised with the money of Jewish industrialists and bankers, so that they could then be thrown against the USSR.

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: McAr

Dimitrova: "Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital."

Then we had fascism! There was terror, there was a dictatorship, there was chauvinism - "a new historical community of people, the Soviet people", there was a red emperor - see the article, and if there was an emperor, then there was an empire. Finally, all financial capital was in the hands of the state, and the adherents from the Politburo returned to them.

You continue to please me with the fact that for some time already publicly, for all those present at the forum, you demonstrate your true "face"! And what is most curious, it is increasingly beginning to resemble the physiognomy of the minister of propaganda of Nazi Germany, and his modern followers in our country (like Dmitry Bykov) and abroad!

[Reptiloid]

Why rejoice, dear Radikal? We are in agreement with the PACE declaration, which equated Stalinism with fascism, calling it totalitarianism. How does PACE learn about it and reward it !!!!! That's what we get off !!!! We will write comments here, and someone will receive PACE bonuses! That's what!!!!!

Quote: Radikal

........... You continue to please me with the fact that for some time already publicly, for all those present at the forum, you demonstrate your true "face"! And what is most curious, it is increasingly beginning to resemble the physiognomy of the minister of propaganda of Nazi Germany, and his modern followers in our country (like Dmitry Bykov) and abroad!

[kalibr]

Quote: Reptiloid

calling it totalitarianism

Dmitry, what did our Putin say about this?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Reptiloid

calling it totalitarianism

Dmitry, what did our Putin say about this?

You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, a specialist in PR ----- must know

[kalibr]

I just know, Dmitry. It would be nice for you: "No matter how sad and how it may sound, in my opinion, in our country a turn to totalitarianism is possible for a certain period of time ... It seems to us all, I will not hide, and sometimes I it seems that if you put things in order with a firm hand, then all of us will live better, more comfortable and safer. In fact, this "comfort" will pass very quickly, because this "tough hand" will begin to choke us very quickly, and we will instantly feel on ourselves and on members of our families.Only in a democratic system, when law enforcement officers, no matter how we call them: the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the NKVD - whatever ... When they know that tomorrow, or in a year, there may be a change in political leadership in a country, region or city, they will be asked: "How did you comply with the laws of the country in which you live, and what did you do with the citizens over whom you have authority" "

And here it is: “There can be no justification for these crimes, in our country a clear political, legal, moral assessment of the atrocities of the totalitarian regime has been given ... And such an assessment is not subject to any revisions.”

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

in our country, a turn to totalitarianism is possible for some period of time ..

You, like all bourgeois liberals, confuse dictatorship with totalitarianism, which means not at all what you think. This term came from the word whole, whole, universal, and what is bad is that we had a universal (totalitarian) education, universal (totalitarian) employment of the entire population in the national economy, universal public consumption funds.

[Reptiloid]

I do not agree with you, Alexander. There is no confusion. This is a conscious action. It’s just such a job, such an order is fulfilled. That's all. Soros --- or not Soros, but some dog rummaged somewhere.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: Reptiloid

It’s just such a job, such an order is being executed.

I understand that, I’m just trying to conduct the discussion diplomatically.

[kalibr]

What a pity that you still know so little, and do not read my articles carefully. And in them it is written in black and white that Dr. Heubbels was a complete zero and troechnik in matters of propaganda, that if we take an example from anyone, but with Arthur Poinsonby and Edward Bernayz. But you are only Goebbels and remember, alas. And in vain. I do not need to be compared with him, but at least with them.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

Dr. Göbbels was a complete zero and a threesome in matters of propaganda, which is if we take an example from anyone, but from Arthur Poinsonby and Edward Burneys. But you are only Goebbels and remember, alas. But in vain. I should not be compared with him, but at least with them.

I don’t understand whether you flatter yourself or underestimate Goebbels.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Alexander Green

Quote: kalibr

Dr. Göbbels was a complete zero and a threesome in matters of propaganda, which is if we take an example from anyone, but from Arthur Poinsonby and Edward Burneys. But you are only Goebbels and remember, alas. But in vain. I should not be compared with him, but at least with them.

I don’t understand whether you flatter yourself or underestimate Goebbels.

Yes, everything is much worse

[Zakonnik]

Subject the author to Stalinist repression. Then, let him write an article.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Nick_R

That is, it was necessary to materialize a new reality, a fairy tale world. Russian ideal of being - Bright (Holy) Russia, City of Kitezh.

To build a fairy tale of the City of Kityaz on the bones of his people? In my opinion, someone is not all right with the matrix.

Well, any great construction requires the people to exert their strength, both spiritual and physical. You can't build without it. And that the world elite builds its ideal of society not on the blood and life of millions of people, though basically these are the lives of "subhumans" in their understanding.

[Amper]

Quote: Dead Day

Why were needed Stalinist repression

"-repression -..." seems to me that the "liberals" and other "counter", so called the fight against corruption. and the current ones, over there, are composing about "insuperable circumstances" ..

The law on the jurisdiction of corruption, this is probably a gift to Dr. EBNa from Pu. Like a point. The final stage of the transformation of the remnants of the socialist building into a new, corruption-thieving stage in the history of Russia, there is such an opinion.

[Amper]

Quote: Z.O.V.

Why were needed Stalinist repression

It would be more correct to call these repressions "Yezhov's". Why mass repressions limit 1937-38. Because the most massive repressions took place during these years. What happened before and after these years? In December 1936, the "Stalinist" constitution was adopted. This constitution introduced free alternative elections from several candidates. A huge number of party nomenklatura, regional committee secretaries, opposed this. And preventive repression begins. Another factor coincided here. Recently available materials confirm the fact of the collusion of Nikolai Yezhov, head of the NKVD 1936-1938, with Germany. Yezhov and his high-ranking accomplices, as well as the “rightists” and Trotskyists, hoped in the event of an invasion by Germany, Japan or another major capitalist power to remain in power, albeit in servants. They tortured innocent people to get them to confess to crimes. Yezhov hoped that the mass extermination of innocent people would force the Soviet people to oppose the government. This would create conditions for an uprising at the time of the invasion of the country by Germany and Japan. In truth, the mass executions of almost 600 people in 000-1937, mostly innocent people, were deliberately organized by Yezhov and high-ranking party nomenklatura in order to sow discord among the Soviet people and remove possible candidates for the upcoming elections and help Germany and Japan to overthrow Stalin.

It seems to me that NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH and will never know. There is a result, the creation of a world superpower of the USSR and there is its price. And there is an alternative not to create the USSR - the complete destruction of the Russian population, according to Hitler's doctrine. The people, like everywhere else in the world, fuel in the reform machine ... It would be for what !? The slogans of the USSR are understandable and accessible to the common man!
The current government of the Russian Federation does not have such slogans ... This is the result of the "reforms" - a complete failure, until the very last Russian.

[Kurdyukov]

There are many slogans and promises now. I do not see cases, with rare exceptions, including criminal ones. : soldier
Somehow I got an interview from the time of perestroika by the youngest people's commissar of agriculture. Here, right before his appointment, the NKVD investigator called and asked what he could say about comrades X and U about the people's commissar colleagues. He was only good about them, I vouch for them, and in general they are my friends. and the investigator at his desk two statements from X and U. That he is an enemy of the people and a pest. These were then people.
Then there was a shortage of specialists and managers and a career made many such statements. My cousin, Fyodor Chernyshev, was an accountant, at 38 they put him on slander, at 40 they acquitted me.
Under Stalin, when leaders were appointed, they could refuse, but if he failed, then forward to the bunk. Shakhurin is an example .. Rogozin, the government of the Russian Federation in such conditions would have been sitting for 10 years. Therefore, we live that there is no responsibility

[Evgenijus]

Author Samsonov Alexander:

The peculiarity of the Russian civilization is that when the civilization matrix disagrees with the actions of the elite, a civilizational sociopolitical catastrophe occurs - a distemper

After reading this, I felt like a microbe, or some kind of ciliate. I even felt ashamed of getting a B at the final exams in the subject of "scientific communism." Here is the author's question - what is "Russian civilization"? Where to read about it? We weren't taught that in the last century when we were promoted to lieutenant. Exclusively studied Ilyich, his theses ... But for some reason we were not allowed to read Stalin, maybe he was banned under Brezhnev? Here's the deal ...

[bone1]

It is necessary for the author of this opus to cut eggs, so that Russian civilization is preserved

[bone1]

They do not regret these — there was a justifier for the senseless extermination of millions of Soviet people — who will he begin to justify tomorrow? -Nazi concentration camps?

[Evgenijus]

Bone1:

It is necessary for the author of this opus to cut the eggs

Yes, do not, regret it. He has good materials about the history of wars. This is his Bes confused with the matrix. Let him write better about wars and military conflicts. But I am still in a smile from his opus, as if the statements of the mayor of Kiev were heard ...

[Ruswolf]

I absolutely do not understand the wording "Stalinist repressions"
Why don't the Leninists speak? And what happened from 1918 to 1922 .... wow. All with one phrase - "In the Name of the Revolution!"
Why is everything like good here - People and Party! And everything is bad - Stalin!
Sorry, but that sounds like a saying - "Everyone eats cake, but shit one by one."
Khrushchev needed, as they say now, to be promoted, there are many dissatisfied and offended, even Zhukov. And to become a figure, it was necessary to dump Stalin. The only way out was to pour mud over it and to the fullest. Rewrite history, remove Stalinists, impose party nomenclature (Stalin was against party hegemony, it is to him the phrase belongs - cadres decide everything) and declare himself through the party himself a mission - a liberator from Stalinism.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Ruswolf

I absolutely do not understand the wording "Stalinist repressions"
Why don't the Leninists speak? And what happened from 1918 to 1922 .... wow. All with one phrase - "In the Name of the Revolution!"
Why is everything like good here - People and Party! And everything is bad - Stalin!
Sorry, but that sounds like a saying - "Everyone eats cake, but shit one by one."
Khrushchev needed, as they say now, to be promoted, there are many dissatisfied and offended, even Zhukov. And to become a figure, it was necessary to dump Stalin. The only way out was to pour mud over it and to the fullest. Rewrite history, remove Stalinists, impose party nomenclature (Stalin was against party hegemony, it is to him the phrase belongs - cadres decide everything) and declare himself through the party himself a mission - a liberator from Stalinism.

Somehow I missed this comment earlier. Great written

[Amper]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: McAr

Dimitrova: "Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital."

Then we had fascism! There was terror, there was a dictatorship, there was chauvinism - "a new historical community of people, the Soviet people", there was a red emperor - see the article, and if there was an emperor, then there was an empire. Finally, all financial capital was in the hands of the state, and the adherents from the Politburo returned to them.

Something you, my friend, all dumped into a heap that you knew. Sort it out!
Who is financial capital in the USSR?
Where did he, this capital, invest his capital? In villas on Rublevka, Spain, the USA, offshore stuff?
Confused with the modern RF, you are probably from EP?
Chauvinists, you say? From your internet: Chauvinism (fr. Chauvinisme) - the ideology, the essence of which is to preach national superiority in order to justify the right to discrimination and oppression of other peoples. Who was oppressed in the USSR? I lived an entire conscious life in it! Tell me about oppression of nations in the USSR !?
Imperialism and the USSR !!!!? You are very far from the political economy. Read Marx, Enels, especially Lenin, there the basics are explained in an accessible language for simple, poorly educated people. And do not be offended, in order to conduct discussions, you must at least own the basics. don’t you even understand who writes what !?
Georgiy Dimitrov is a Bulgarian COMMUNIST !!!! you cite as an argument against the "communist despotism" the statements of its HEROES! Y. Fuchik also mention ...
Sadly, the fact is that modern youth (even those who retire after death) are naive, politically illiterate and incapable of independent thinking in their bulk. Zombie box, wretched education, environment ...
All this is sad .. There is no peace under the olives ...

[kalibr]

Read and think for yourself!

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: Amper

Read Marx, Enels, especially Lenin, there the basics are explained in an accessible language for simple, poorly educated people.

Dear, you probably don’t know who you are dealing with. Caliber is a former Member of the CPSU, a teacher-raskrig from the history of the CPSU, claims to have read all of Lenin. But they say that Brzezinski also read all of Lenin, but that also did not make him a communist.

[Radical]

Quote: Reptiloid

Why rejoice, dear Radikal? We are in agreement with the PACE declaration, which equated Stalinism with fascism, calling it totalitarianism. How does PACE learn about it and reward it !!!!! That's what we get off !!!! We will write comments here, and someone will receive PACE bonuses! That's what!!!!!

Quote: Radikal

........... You continue to please me with the fact that for some time already publicly, for all those present at the forum, you demonstrate your true "face"! And what is most curious, it is increasingly beginning to resemble the physiognomy of the minister of propaganda of Nazi Germany, and his modern followers in our country (like Dmitry Bykov) and abroad!

Unfortunately, I don’t have a direct Internet connection with PACE, so I don’t have the opportunity to express to them my attitude towards their vile decisions, so I direct all my anger at “Caliber” who is present here, performing at “VO” the role of an authorized representative of the above-mentioned shop called PACE!

[Reptiloid]

Again I disagree with you!!!!! Vyacheslav Olegovich is by no means a representative of PACE, as I understand it. It’s just the opposite, the desire to get there. And this is not easy, you have to try, earn trust,
oh how difficult it is!!!!!

Quote: Radikal

Unfortunately, I don’t have a direct Internet connection with PACE, so I don’t have the opportunity to express to them my attitude towards their vile decisions, so I direct all my anger at “Caliber” who is present here, performing at “VO” the role of an authorized representative of the above-mentioned shop called PACE!

[kalibr]

Dmitry, why have you suddenly become so stupid... Well, why should I end up somewhere there when I already have everything? All my life I have strived to do only what I like and to be away from all sorts of fools, although they overtake me even here. But who are they? It’s such a small thing, nothing to call it. And there, “at the top”, Dmitry, there are other jokes and for big money they pay in full. And do I need it? You've heard Caesar's saying - it's better to be first in the village than second in Rome. So I don’t even want to be the “first” in my city; I have enough of what they learn in the market from TV shows and offer better meat. And you are pushing me somewhere. Why, Dmitry? I write what I want, go wherever I want, do what I want, live how I want... Why should I lose this, especially in my old age? Use your brains, or whatever you have instead, and you will understand that this is not beneficial for me personally. A loving wife, a good table, a nap after dinner, and good coffee at work - what else does a person need in his old age? Another book will be published soon, and another one is on the way. Do you want to deprive me of this? Fi, Dmitry, this is not my job at all... So don’t take your example from stupid people, and God help you!

[Reptiloid]

The large size of the comment indicates its insincerity. Why would you Vyacheslav Olegovich answer stupid words (as you say) in such detail. Inconsistency.

[kalibr]

Then Dmitry that this causes new replies and clicks!

[Reptiloid]

I looked through everything again. It turned out to be a mistake!!!!!! Previously, everything was about their requests, the lack of funds, the required pension of 1000€€€€€€......And then suddenly they decided to turn into an old man with a string bag??? I can’t believe it somehow......And the suffering about a pension of 1000€€€€€€€ somehow stopped.......
So, exactly, this income happened?.........Salaries have dropped, life is getting better.........

[kalibr]

Dmitriy! I have always lacked and still do not have enough money, like any normal person. But how much can you write about retirement? Halva, halva... I wrote it once, I wrote it twice... You can’t write the same thing all the time. And then I have new books coming out all the time, didn’t you know? The book “Crusaders” was recently published, and another one is on the way... Again, articles on various websites and magazines... I have never sat idle...
By the way, this material already has more than 26 thousand views. This is both my work and yours!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

Dmitriy! I have always lacked and still do not have enough money, like any normal person. But how much can you write about retirement? Halva, halva... I wrote it once, I wrote it twice... You can’t write the same thing all the time. And then I have new books coming out all the time, didn’t you know? The book “Crusaders” was recently published, and another one is on the way... Again, articles on various websites and magazines... I have never sat idle...
By the way, this material already has more than 26 thousand views. This is both my work and yours!

I wrote about your 1000€€€€€€ pension, Vyacheslav Olegovich, for the first time. And before that, I only read several times about your suffering without her. And about what was happening abroad...... And now -----time! And everything became different.....Suddenly! Somewhere around here the dog was rummaging! This pension has appeared! It seems......
We can all repeat ourselves in one way or another in the comments, since articles often touch upon similar topics. At the same time, as you yourself talked about the density of information and you yourself refined it --- at least about clicks, almost constantly, or about the USSR and the CPSU. And also about these same .....

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

The book "Crusaders" was recently published.

It's not by chance rewrite novel by G. Sienkiewicz?

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

What a pity that you still know so little, and do not read my articles carefully. And in them it is written in black and white that Dr. Heubbels was a complete zero and troechnik in matters of propaganda, that if we take an example from anyone, but with Arthur Poinsonby and Edward Bernayz. But you are only Goebbels and remember, alas. And in vain. I do not need to be compared with him, but at least with them.

Yeah, that's how it is! It turns out that “Genosse Goebbels” is a weakling compared to you? That is, you are “cooler”, we understood you correctly, and you are ready to “improve” his result? One-a-a-ko, you really have a mania for this very thing, well, you understand...

[kalibr]

A stupid and stubborn ignoramus is always scary. Isn’t it about people who say that when I put on a sword belt, I get dumber and dumber? Once again: read Edward Bernays, Arthur Poinsonby. Maybe you'll wise up...

[Radical]

Quote: Bone1

They do not regret these — there was a justifier for the senseless extermination of millions of Soviet people — who will he begin to justify tomorrow? -Nazi concentration camps?

Who are you justifying?

[Radical]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Sergey 777

Repressions were before him and were after.

Compare the figures of the 30s and 90s, as well as the United States.

And this takes into account the current absence of 14 republics, and a correspondingly smaller population!

[Miron]

The number of population on the average number of certain indicators per estimated 100,000 citizens does not have. And if we take into account that in Russia/USSR everyone who is on government pay in places of detention is considered prisoners, and in the USA neither migrants nor any Guantanamo Bay prisoners are considered prisoners, then the statistics are extremely unrepresentative.
And if we add to this the genocide of the red-skinned population, with the destruction of entire tribes, which barely ended in 1928, then in general, with the calculations, there is complete nonsense.

[Reptiloid]

Having given you a positive assessment, I would like to add that there have been reports that the relocation of Indian residents to inconvenient places continues in the United States, it is difficult for them to defend their rights and much more. So genocide took other forms. We need to see what is available about this somewhere.

Quote: Miron

And if we add to this the genocide of the red-skinned population, with the destruction of entire tribes, which barely ended in 1928, then in general, with the calculations, there is complete nonsense.

[kalibr]

Justifying one piece of crap with even worse crap is immoral!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

Justifying one piece of crap with even worse crap is immoral!

It’s interesting that a new Law on Insult is about to be released. They can subject them. But the current Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR. (Which some people don’t know about). I’m worried about Vyacheslav Olegovich, he’ll suddenly be subjected to

[kalibr]

Quote: Reptiloid

I'm worried

In vain. Since 1995, he worked at the Faculty of Law... that says it all, right, Dmitry? And then “getting ready”... Not a single law has retroactive force. Available?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Alf

Quote: Sergey 777

Repressions were before him and were after.

Compare the figures of the 30s and 90s, as well as the United States.

And this takes into account the current absence of 14 republics, and a correspondingly smaller population!

Wonderful table!!!!!!It’s a pity that few people know these numbers.

[Radical]

Quote: Kurdyukov

There are many slogans and promises now. I do not see cases, with rare exceptions, including criminal ones. : soldier
Somehow I got an interview from the time of perestroika by the youngest people's commissar of agriculture. Here, right before his appointment, the NKVD investigator called and asked what he could say about comrades X and U about the people's commissar colleagues. He was only good about them, I vouch for them, and in general they are my friends. and the investigator at his desk two statements from X and U. That he is an enemy of the people and a pest. These were then people.
Then there was a shortage of specialists and managers and a career made many such statements. My cousin, Fyodor Chernyshev, was an accountant, at 38 they put him on slander, at 40 they acquitted me.
Under Stalin, when leaders were appointed, they could refuse, but if he failed, then forward to the bunk. Shakhurin is an example .. Rogozin, the government of the Russian Federation in such conditions would have been sitting for 10 years. Therefore, we live that there is no responsibility

And such episodes as you described above were a dime a dozen... .

[Nikolai]

I.V. We call Stalin COMRADE. We feel it in our gut - COMRADE. And how I miss a COMRADE now...
Could Stalin have carried out his grandiose plans? That's the question. But the fact is that he gave all of himself without reserve to the Motherland, the humane idea and the people.

[iouris]

The question is posed historically and politically incorrectly. "Stalin's repressions" are justified only from Stalin's point of view. Why? Because Stalin fought for his survival. The Nobel Peace Prize was not awarded to him.

[Radical]

Maybe a little off topic, but now the film “Hot Snow” has just ended on “Star” - as much as I watch it, I am just as convinced what wonderful films were made in our time, what actors, directors there were, how sincerely they conveyed everything that our soldiers and commanders experienced during the Great Patriotic War...! Is it possible to compare with those cheap (in terms of content) “cartoons” that are being filmed now?!

[ccsr]

Quote: Radikal

but now the film “Hot Snow” has just ended on “Zvezda” - as much as I watch it, I am just as convinced what wonderful films were made in our time, what actors, directors there were, how sincerely they conveyed everything that our people experienced fighters and commanders during the Great Patriotic War...

I knew one person who started the war in the fall of 1941 as an infantryman, and ended it in 1945 as a gun commander, senior sergeant, and subsequently became a colonel of the General Staff. He had a high opinion of this film, because in his opinion this is exactly how the artillerymen fought, and it was filmed very authentically, although of course there was an artistic element there. But compared to current productions, this film looks almost like a documentary.

[Yuriy Malyshko]

A very weak, superficial article that can only cause an uproar in the comments. It makes no sense to comment on the article from any point of view. It's better to just remove it.

[Peter Volkov]

It makes no sense because there is nothing to oppose, because the article is not for average minds, and so as not to distract from consumption, it is, of course, better to delete it.

[Miron]

Soviet people jump under the tanks
For moneybags and gentlemen
Spill blood so they can rob freely
Kill the USSR so they don't get hurt

Rise up as a pillar of thieves' power
Above the spiky - sickle coat of arms
So that the peasant does not dare to become proud
Make poor slaves for boyars

[kalibr]

Obviously not Pushkin...

[CALL.]

Quote: oracul

Yezhov, as often happens in history, is just a "random performer" whom life has lifted unexpectedly high and who at some point thinks of himself for nothing. Such were Khrushchev and Gorbachev and Yeltsin and others of lesser status

You do not have the feeling that they did not accidentally find themselves where they could inflict the most significant harm on the communist ideology and economy of the USSR.

[kalibr]

Of course, it is no coincidence that what the people are like, what their mentality and demands are - such are their leaders!

[kalibr]

Quote: Radikal

That is, you are “cooler”, we understood you correctly

Of course, today we know what he didn’t know and we can do things that he couldn’t. And I didn’t even suspect it.

[kalibr]

Quote: Amper

Georgiy Dimitrov is a Bulgarian COMMUNIST!!!!

And I did not know ...

[Peter Volkov]

Don't be silly, comrade major. Apparently, the author wanted to say that Dimitrov is not a Bolshevik. It is most likely news to you that the communists and the Bolsheviks are ideological opponents who temporarily united to fight against capitalism.

[kalibr]

Quote: Amper

There is a result - the creation of a world superpower, the USSR, and there is its price.

And then her collapse!

[kig]

Let's drive humanity into a bright future with an iron fist, right?

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Obviously not Pushkin...

Grandson of a policeman...

[kalibr]

You know, no, my grandfather led the city police department in Penza during the Second World War and received the Order of Lenin for this. There’s even a photo of him with it on his chest... And then also the Badge of Honor. In the Civil War he led food detachments. He shot himself, they shot at him... So, alas...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

You know, no, my grandfather led the city police department in Penza during the Second World War and received the Order of Lenin for this. There’s even a photo of him with it on his chest... And then also the Badge of Honor. In the Civil War he led food detachments. He shot himself, they shot at him... So, alas...

I remember everything that concerns your relatives, Vyacheslav Olegovich, and I advise everyone to read your articles, probably since the beginning of 2016, dedicated to them, and to our country in general. A VERY interesting dynamic will emerge.

[kalibr]

This is good, Dmitry, very good! There's a lot of interesting stuff there, isn't there? A person is formed by information and his reflections on it, comparison with his own life experience and knowledge. This is exactly what he called for at V.I. Lenin, when he wrote: You can become a communist only when you get rich... and so on. At the 3rd Komsomol Congress he said this...and in my opinion it is very correct. All human mistakes are due to incomplete knowledge, except in cases where there was a drunken conception, hitting the head in childhood and exposure to doses of radiation on the pituitary gland. Knowledge won't help here either. Although, who knows...

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: kalibr

You know, no, my grandfather led the city police department in Penza during the Second World War and received the Order of Lenin for this. There’s even a photo of him with it on his chest... And then also the Badge of Honor. In the Civil War he led food detachments. He shot himself, they shot at him... So, alas...

Another confirmation: “Every family has its black sheep”

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Alexander Green

Quote: kalibr

You know, no, my grandfather led the city police department in Penza during the Second World War and received the Order of Lenin for this. There’s even a photo of him with it on his chest... And then also the Badge of Honor. In the Civil War he led food detachments. He shot himself, they shot at him... So, alas...

"

Greetings comrade Alexander! I think such honored people as stepfather, mother, grandfather thought that their example would be enough for their descendant to become a real communist. But they were mistaken...

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

A stupid and stubborn ignoramus is always scary. Isn’t it about people who say that when I put on a sword belt, I get dumber and dumber? Once again: read Edward Bernays, Arthur Poinsonby. Maybe you'll wise up...

Arrogant, narcissistic, cynical, mediocre narcissist - useless for the country in which he was born!

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Radikal

That is, you are “cooler”, we understood you correctly

Of course, today we know what he didn’t know and we can do things that he couldn’t. And I didn’t even suspect it.

Well done, now people see what your gang is doing! “How much is opium for the people”?! What currency do they pay in?

[kalibr]

“But you know for yourself: the senseless mob is fickle, rebellious, superstitious, easily given over to empty hope, obedient to instant suggestion, deaf and indifferent to the truth, and feeds on fables.” (A.S. Pushkin. “Boris Godunov”). And they pay in the currency of the Russian Federation, of course. By the way, the textbook is not for bachelors. For masters! Can you imagine? Goebbels, compared to those who study from such books, is just a snotty kid!

[Peter Volkov]

Thank God, people are beginning to understand what happened. What is happening is before our eyes and there is no need to explain it. I’m very pleased with the article, and even more so with the comments. Five years ago, when I started writing political commentaries, people had a much worse understanding of both historical events and the current political moment. It just makes my soul happy to see that the article is made up practically of my thoughts; this is, of course, an exaggeration, but still. But having said A, you should also say B. Explain to young people, and not only young people, what this fifth column is. These are not only degenerate opportunists of the Bolshevik party, not only greedy careerists who, by hook or by crook, made their way to leadership positions, not only spies, saboteurs and kulaks lurking and waiting in the wings (and those who waited in the form of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Raisa Titarenko, whose grandfathers were repressed for Trotskyist activity).The main, so to speak, ideological basis of the fifth column was the Bolshevik-Leninists and the followers of Trotsky, this representative of the Zionist center sent to us from America, who joined them. It was they who created the “Red Terror” and destroyed the church in the name of the world revolution. It was they who acted as the main opponents of Stalin’s course towards building socialism in a single country, which, in their opinion, contradicted the world revolution. And although most of them were destroyed in 1937-1938, the survivors managed to inflict maximum damage in the first months of the war, exposing the armies in Bialystok and Brest to slaughter, the aviation of the Western Front and leaving the tank corps covering the border without fuel and shells. Well, after Stalin’s death, the Bolsheviks-Leninists and Trotskyists, led by Khrushchev, managed to take revenge for 1937, spitting on Stalin and destroying the Stalinist economy, which ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Today, having changed their epaulette, they are called liberals and continue to denigrate Stalin, without saying a word about their idols - Lenin and Trotsky - they are fulfilling their destiny: the destruction of Russia and the Great Russian people.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Pyotr Volkov

without saying a word about their idols - Lenin and Trotsky - they fulfill their destiny: the destruction of Russia and the Great Russian people.

Just don’t mix salty foods with diapers. Nowadays they are just symbols and ideas. Lenin is a symbol of the unification of Soviet people under the slogans of Land for the peasants, Factories for the workers, and Trotsky is a political adventurer sucking money from the budget of a starving country for the world revolution, under the same sauce - Marxist.

[kalibr]

Quote: Pyotr Volkov

Explain to young people, and not only young people, what this fifth column is. These are not only degenerate opportunists of the Bolshevik party, not only greedy careerists who, by hook or by crook, made their way to leadership positions, not only spies, saboteurs and kulaks lurking and waiting in the wings (and those who waited in the form of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Raisa Titarenko, whose grandfathers were repressed for Trotskyist activity).The main, so to speak, ideological basis of the fifth column was the Bolshevik-Leninists and the followers of Trotsky, this representative of the Zionist center sent to us from America, who joined them.

Explain and tell us how you do it. Then - stormy applause turns into ovation!

[kalibr]

Quote: d1975

And how are we different from dill?????

And nerds here and there, and in the USA, alas, are in the majority...

[kalibr]

Quote: Pyotr Volkov

It just makes my soul happy to see that the article is made up of practically my thoughts,

Oh my God! Another one of the 80% showed up...

[kalibr]

Quote: Radikal

useless for the country in which he was born!

This is your opinion expressed in your comments. But there are also many that are directly opposite. They console me...
By the way, once again, thanks for the clicks.

[kalibr]

Quote: Radikal

Once again: read Edward Bernays, Arthur Poinsonby. Maybe you'll wise up...

Once again, read their books, it will help you become smarter.

[Griol]

Any psychiatrist, if you turn to him with a question about how to assess the condition of a person who, in order to achieve his goals, has chosen the path of exterminating peaceful unarmed citizens of his country, and even if the number of victims amounts to hundreds of thousands, millions, he will tell you that this person either mentally ill, or this person is deeply criminal. In world jurisprudence, the fact has not been stated - the subject who justifies a crime, or covers it up, justifies it, is himself a criminal... The above could both begin and complete the characterization of the author of the publication, rehabilitating the genocide of the peoples of Russia, which began with surplus appropriation, collectivization, "the fight against kulaks", the destruction of entire estates and classes, repressions that affected the party itself (the destruction of almost 75 percent of the delegates of the 17th Party Congress, old Bolsheviks, just ordinary communists who fell under the millstone of "socialist competition between fighters with "enemies of the people"), the destruction of the command staff of the Red Army before the start of the Second World War and the Second World War.. Decades have passed since the time when the cannibalistic regime began to self-destruct, taking with it figures of that time who could have brought great benefit to the country - L. Beria, S. Abakumov and others. In that desperate fight For survival and power, everything was involved - blackmail, promises, intimidation... As usual, then those who brought N. Khrushchev to power were offended, humiliated, and abandoned. Assessing it from the height of the years you have lived, you begin to re-read M. Bulgakov in a completely different way, where the “revolutionary struggle of the masses” in Ukraine is vividly described as nowhere else. you relive and understand the heroes of The White Guard. A little over 100 years ago, the Bolsheviks, with money from the German General Staff, destroyed the front, carried out a coup that destroyed the country, plunging it into the chaos of civil war. Now the situation is repeating itself almost the same - using economic difficulties caused by sanctions, Western pressure on the country, they are shaking up the situation, creating a “revolutionary situation”.. They are trying to destroy Russia for the second time and for this they are ready to cooperate with the devil to achieve their goals. All this is from the herd of Zyugaikins-Suraikins, other full-time and non-staff “Stalinists” who are more dangerous for the country than the Banderaites, ISIS members, the corrupt liberal rabble. Those are obvious enemies, these dress up as patriots. The time now is like this - neo-fascists justify Hitler, neo-communists justify Stalin, in Cambodia - someone glorifies Pol Pot... They are all the same, for them the people are garbage that can simply be destroyed..

[Griol]

Any psychiatrist will answer your question about how to evaluate a person who plans and organizes the destruction of hundreds of thousands, millions of innocent citizens to achieve the most, in his opinion, noble goals. that this man is a maniac, a criminal... The history of the last decades knows the names of three “fighters for the people’s happiness” who destroyed millions - Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. They all wanted “happiness for the people.” Each in his own way, but the ending of their “struggle” was the same. If you ask the same doctor how to evaluate those who justify these crimes and try to rehabilitate criminals, the doctor will answer that these are either the same sick people or the same criminals.. I would also add - traitors and mankurts.

[Griol]

Any psychiatrist will answer your question about how to evaluate a person who plans and organizes the destruction of hundreds of thousands, millions of innocent citizens to achieve the most, in his opinion, noble goals. that this man is a maniac, a criminal... The history of the last decades knows the names of three “fighters for the people’s happiness” who destroyed millions - Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. They all wanted “happiness for the people.” Each in his own way, but the ending of their “struggle” was the same. If you ask the same doctor how to evaluate those who justify these crimes and try to rehabilitate criminals, the doctor will answer that these are either the same sick people or the same criminals.. I would also add - traitors and mankurts.

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

You know, no, my grandfather led the city police department in Penza during the Second World War and received the Order of Lenin for this. There’s even a photo of him with it on his chest... And then also the Badge of Honor. In the Civil War he led food detachments. He shot himself, they shot at him... So, alas...

This often happens - with honored grandfathers, their children and grandchildren grow into who knows what!

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

“But you know for yourself: the senseless mob is fickle, rebellious, superstitious, easily given over to empty hope, obedient to instant suggestion, deaf and indifferent to the truth, and feeds on fables.” (A.S. Pushkin. “Boris Godunov”). And they pay in the currency of the Russian Federation, of course. By the way, the textbook is not for bachelors. For masters! Can you imagine? Goebbels, compared to those who study from such books, is just a snotty kid!

Well, what am I talking about!? I gave you a “compliment” on this topic earlier! As for the currency of the Russian Federation, it is different for everyone in the country, for some it is in rubles (as it should be), and a small group of citizens in all seriousness probably believes that the currency of the Russian Federation is dollars, pounds, euros, and everything else is " tree"! So what is your situation with the Russian currency?

[kalibr]

Quote: Radikal

So what is your situation with the Russian currency?

And why are all the scoops so interested in money in someone else’s pocket? I wonder how much publishers pay me? Write directly there...

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

And why are all the scoops so interested in money in someone else’s pocket?

This is where you are mistaken, because in the USA and other “civilized countries of Europe” reporting to the tax authorities is such a large-scale phenomenon that our “scoop” (by the way, you are apparently one of them, since you know their psychology) could not even dream of. And it’s not only colleagues who lay money there, but also just neighbors who suddenly doubted your honesty, or they simply didn’t like you, and that wasn’t even close to happening in the Soviet Union.

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Radikal

Once again: read Edward Bernays, Arthur Poinsonby. Maybe you'll wise up...

Once again, read their books, it will help you become smarter.

Well, getting personal is the last refuge... of a liberal intellectual... but it seems like you have problems with intelligence... .

[Brigadier]

[kalibr]

Quote: chenia

you understand the reason for his breakthrough and collapse).

I also think that people are to blame.

[kalibr]

Then why write about him?

[kalibr]

Moral values ​​have not changed since biblical times!

[kalibr]

Quote: Radikal

Well, getting personal is the last refuge... of a liberal intellectual... but it seems like you have problems with intelligence...

Where did I get personal? I advised you THREE times to read interesting works that you do not know. But with the tenacity of an idiot you continue to write all sorts of nonsense. I would say thank you, I’ll read it and that’s it. And so you yourself reap what you yourself wrote. And intelligence... God bless it. When you are the fourth generation... what do you have to prove to anyone? Especially to an Internet anonymous person. Funny! It is necessary to prove to those who are in the first place. In the fourth you can... send.!

[kalibr]

This is good, Dmitry, very good! There's a lot of interesting stuff there, isn't there? A person is formed by information and his reflections on it, comparison with his own life experience and knowledge. This is exactly what he called for at V.I. Lenin, when he wrote: You can become a communist only when you get rich... and so on. At the 3rd Komsomol Congress he said this...and in my opinion it is very correct. All human mistakes are due to incomplete knowledge, except in cases where there was a drunken conception, hitting the head in childhood and exposure to doses of radiation on the pituitary gland. Knowledge won't help here either. Although, who knows...

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Radikal

Well, getting personal is the last refuge... of a liberal intellectual... but it seems like you have problems with intelligence...

Where did I get personal? I advised you THREE times to read interesting works that you do not know. But with the tenacity of an idiot you continue to write all sorts of nonsense. I would say thank you, I’ll read it and that’s it. And so you yourself reap what you yourself wrote. And intelligence... God bless it. When you are the fourth generation... what do you have to prove to anyone? Especially to an Internet anonymous person. Funny! It is necessary to prove to those who are in the first place. In the fourth you can... send.!

You know, with every comment you make me more and more happy, since the mug, sorry, the face of an “intellectual” in the fourth generation, appears more and more clearly!

[kalibr]

And you make me even more happy. One of the rules for managing public opinion is to ensure the flow of information at the required density. If it weren’t for you, I would not have had the opportunity to give a motivated photo of my book. Remember that people are not interested in anonymous comments. This is how they let off steam, nothing more. So you can write whatever you want. This makes no more sense than a dog howling at the moon. What is important? Images! Then the 90+1 rule applies. Its essence: 80% of people forget 90% of the information after 90 days. That is, at 91 they can be given the same thing again. What remains? 10% and this is visual information. That is... pictures. And you gave mine again, of your own free will. That is, I got what I needed twice. And I don’t react to words like mug and so on. Well, who are you to pay attention to you at all? The fact that the material was viewed by 20000 thousand people is really important. And it contains two of my pictures. One is mine - the other is yours... As you can see, it is very easy to manage people. Especially just those who loudly declare that they really don’t give in. I’ll repeat it again for those especially gifted: people quickly forget everything, but they remember “pictures,” and the best advertising is a scandal. It doesn't matter which one. That's why I encourage you all the time. And by answering me, you put clicks. That is, you increase the investment attractiveness of the site. This is good for the site, and for me... So thank you!

[Klaus]

1. The Troubles occurred at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, not the XNUMXth.
2. What is the “civilizational matrix-code”? In academic historical terminology, such a concept does not exist. This is pure creativity of near-historical and near-philosophical figures. Moreover, the concept is not harmless, in particular, it implies the uniqueness of a certain community of people, with a claim to exclusivity... And you already know what it smells like.
3. “Features of Russian civilization” by the author occupy 2 lines at the beginning of the article, and then there are lengthy discussions about the events of the twentieth century. Meanwhile, the XNUMXth century in the history of our country is a consequence of a number of events and the reasons that gave rise to them, on the basis of which the features of Russian civilization and their reflection in the events of the XNUMXth century should be considered.
4. The main features of our Russian civilization are as follows (my personal opinion):
- A clearly expressed and formalized class structure of society
- 300 years of actual, and 250 years of legislatively formalized serfdom in its most severe form of personal dependence (slavery)
- strict centralization of management, laid down by Kalita, as a social reflex following the results of feudal fragmentation and the Mongol-Tatar yoke. And the logical development of this system is autocracy in the form of absolutism.
“Red Emperor” Stalin corrected and adopted well-known methods: he transferred the entire peasantry to the category of sovereign black-footed serfs on communal principles. Using completely Stolypin methods and the management style of Alexander III

[Essex62]

It has already been explained to you, Mr. Historian, that stupid herders limited by the confines of the yurt have nothing to do 7-9 thousand versts from the camp. A huge fake about Igo, it is not clear who launched it. He was probably solving some immediate problem... The saint alone was straining all of Rus'. Then his descendants. Burning, robbing and taking away Russian people into full slaves. Simply because his lads were cooler than others and nature did not deprive the godfather of talent. He gave Nemchura Livonskaya a hard time - dearly. And then everything is as always - the one who is stronger is right..
Comrade Stalin laid the foundation for the human, happy life of Soviet people from the late 50s until the end of the 80s. Including peasants, maybe first of all. The Russian tiller received all the benefits of civilization. The main thing is that the peasant has unstuck his shirt from his body, the source of all the strife and troubles of the past.

[Klaus]

On the fingers, it's certainly good. And most importantly, it is informative and competent.
However, there is a huge layer of materials, in particular, chronicles, testimonies of merchants and foreign travelers, folklore, numerous toponyms and ethnonyms, archaeological finds.
Another thing is that the theme of the Yoke was universally perceived in our country through the prism of the works of Karamzin and Solovyov. That's how it happened. A certain pattern of perception and attitude towards this historical period has emerged. And here, indeed, there is something to think about and something to rethink. However, historical science, like any science, is quite conservative in such things. But journalism and fiction are bursting with ideas. From the latter, M. Weller’s work “Our Prince and Khan” comes to mind.
As for Stalin... how can I say: human and happy - pathetic. All the benefits of civilization are not a fact. Here on the forum there was material with the memoirs of a rural intellectual in the period 60-80. Interesting reading... Only one thing is obvious here: everything that was built with such difficulty, with sweat and blood, was destroyed in the 90s and early 2000s

[Essex62]

I formed the opinion that the employees of the “five” ate their special food in vain and received a good salary. How many of these emerged overnight and managed to perch themselves on the neck of the proletariat! One unmasked tagged one is worth it. Unless Andropov himself “was in on the action.” They were stirring up something with Kosygin over the new “NEP”.

[Essex62]

I formed the opinion that the employees of the “five” ate their special food in vain and received a good salary. How many of these emerged overnight and managed to perch themselves on the neck of the proletariat! One unmasked tagged one is worth it. Unless Andropov himself “was in on the action.” They were stirring up something with Kosygin over the new “NEP”.

[Radical]

Quote: kalibr

And you make me even more happy. One of the rules for managing public opinion is to ensure the flow of information at the required density. If it weren’t for you, I would not have had the opportunity to give a motivated photo of my book. Remember that people are not interested in anonymous comments. This is how they let off steam, nothing more. So you can write whatever you want. This makes no more sense than a dog howling at the moon. What is important? Images! Then the 90+1 rule applies. Its essence: 80% of people forget 90% of the information after 90 days. That is, at 91 they can be given the same thing again. What remains? 10% and this is visual information. That is... pictures. And you gave mine again, of your own free will. That is, I got what I needed twice. And I don’t react to words like mug and so on. Well, who are you to pay attention to you at all? The fact that the material was viewed by 20000 thousand people is really important. And it contains two of my pictures. One is mine - the other is yours... As you can see, it is very easy to manage people. Especially just those who loudly declare that they really don’t give in. I’ll repeat it again for those especially gifted: people quickly forget everything, but they remember “pictures,” and the best advertising is a scandal. It doesn't matter which one. That's why I encourage you all the time. And by answering me, you put clicks. That is, you increase the investment attractiveness of the site. This is good for the site, and for me... So thank you!

Well, if you are satisfied with the glory of Dmitry Bykov, then a flag in your hands, a drum around your neck - a locomotive towards you!

[kalibr]

Once again, thanks for clicking! That's all that is required of you.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Author Samsonov Alexander - son of Prokhanov?

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Alf

Quote: freddyk

It can be added that Peter and Stalin did not care much about their personal well-being,

It is interesting to see what the condition of the guarantor is ...

***
Alas! Stalin’s list of things does not include 2 things: 1) the USSR and 2) Socialist countries.

[ecologist]

Stalin is certainly a great man, but there is no need to idealize Stalin. Don't dishonor the memory of his exploits by making excuses for his mistakes.

[Bator]

According to a certificate prepared in February 1954 by Prosecutor General R. Rudenko, Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov and Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954 he was convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, “triples "The NKVD, by the Special Meeting, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals of 3 people, including 777 people were sentenced to death. This is for thirty-one years. This is the end of the Civil War, this is the era after it. This is four years of a terrible war with Hitler. This is the period after the Second World War. This is a fight against gangs of Bandera and forest brothers. This includes Berry and Yezhov, and other bloody executioners. Here are the traitors of Vlasov. Here are deserters and looters. Self-shooters. Alarmists. Participants in the gangster underground. Nazi accomplices who shed blood. This is the "Leninist Guard", which destroyed a great country to the joy of the enemies of Russia. Here Zinoviev and Kamenev. Trotskyists in this number. Figures of the Comintern. Traitor and traitor Tukhachevsky, who was about to arrange a military coup. The executioner Bela Kun, thousands of drowning officers in the Crimea with stones on their necks. A multifaceted figure, polysyllabic. If you divide the total number of executed by the number of years, you will get less than 380 people a year. A lot of? Of course. But let’s not forget what years it was. And there are no tens of millions executed. This is exactly a deliberate lie. Remember this figure: 642 people. That was. It is necessary to know and remember

[Rimlianin]

And those shot by the Bolsheviks in Crimea in 1921-1922. tens of thousands of Russian officers of Wrangel’s army, former officials, nobles and entrepreneurs, what figure do you include? And what about the executed sailors of Kronstadt, the peasants of the Tambov province, who rebelled against the Bolshevik dictatorship in the Soviets and the predatory surplus appropriation? And what about the entire families of peasants exiled there who died from cold and hunger in Narym? There are many more things that could be listed that the Bolshevik communists did on our land, but it is inconvenient to write from a smartphone.

[ccsr]

Quote: Rimlianin

There are many more things that could be listed that the Bolshevik communists did on our land,

And you relax, and study the losses of our people in the nineties of the twentieth century during the “democratic” period - maybe you will feel better...

[Rimlianin]

But there is no need to use here the favorite technique of demagogues - translation to another topic. We're talking about Stalin's repressions actually. There is nothing to answer my words?

[ccsr]

Quote: Rimlianin

We're talking about Stalin's repressions actually. There is nothing to answer my words?

Don’t you want to talk about Peter the Great’s execution of the Streltsy?
I’m not going to justify repression, but I don’t understand your desire to spit on the past, especially since you can hardly add anything to the ambiguous assessment of that period, when even learned historians do not have a consensus. And to trust political scientists to evaluate those times is not to respect yourself...

[Rimlianin]

Spit on the past? If any participants in historical events in the country are given a negative assessment, is this called spitting on the past? Do you deny all the events I have listed and the role of the Bolsheviks in them (mass executions in Crimea after the Civil War, the brutal suppression of the uprising in Kronstadt, peasant protests against surplus appropriation in Tambov and Altai, dispossession and exile of peasant families to the Northern Territories, to the taiga)?

[ccsr]

Quote: Rimlianin

If any participants in historical events in the country are given a negative assessment, is this called spitting on the past?

Yes, if the bet is made only on negative events associated with the activities of Comrade Stalin and the communists. By the way, the entire current nuclear missile shield was laid under Stalin, and at least for this reason we should be grateful to him, because he understood what defense of the Fatherland was and did everything to ensure that we were free. Well, why don’t you dwell on the research work of the late forties and early fifties, which required enormous costs, and because of which our people were forced to tear off their last pennies. Now we can talk through the lip with the Americans and the whole world, and the basis of this is our nuclear shield - for this we need to thank Stalin. But we suffer from unconsciousness - we remember all the bad things, but we forget why it was all done.

Quote: Rimlianin

You deny all the events I listed and the roles of the Bolsheviks in them

I deny your vision of the historical perspective of our people, which is why you have such a negative attitude towards the past, believing that it is precisely because of it that we live so poorly, and primarily because of the Bolsheviks. And this indicates your myopia in assessing historical events.

[Rimlianin]

Don't attribute to me anything that I didn't write here. Where did I mention that we now live badly (badly - also your words) because of the Bolsheviks? We are talking about repressions under Stalin. If we talk about Yeltsin’s crimes, we will talk about Yeltsin’s crimes.

[ccsr]

Quote: Rimlianin

We are talking about repressions under Stalin.

Don’t you want to talk about the repressions of Peter the Great? Or have you never heard anything about “Stolypin ties”?

Quote: Rimlianin

If we talk about Yeltsin’s crimes, we will talk about Yeltsin’s crimes.

So this is what we need to talk about, because everyone who condemns Stalin themselves silently watched what the drunk did to the country. Are you not tormented by your conscience for the assessment that our descendants will make to us? Or is it easier to blame all the dogs on the leader, and better not remember about your responsibility for the nineties? Oh well...

[Rimlianin]

Have you read the title of the topic and the article at all? Do you want to talk about something else? Write an article and we will be happy to comment on it.

[ccsr]

Quote: Rimlianin

Have you read the title of the topic and the article at all? Do you want to talk about something else?

This topic moves from one forum to another constantly, and everyone realized a long time ago that it is no longer possible to convince someone. So I suggested that maybe it would be better to switch to the repressions of the tsarist era, or to the chaos of the nineties, in order to compare what the country lost under Stalin and what under other leaders. But you are simply afraid of this comparison, because it turns out that Stalin’s repressions against the people were not as terrible as some “historians” are trying to impose on us, although I do not justify the repressions.
By the way, the simplest example is the population of the Russian Empire at the beginning of the reign of Peter the Great and after his death - study it at your leisure, maybe then you won’t have time for Stalin...

[Klaus]

Yegor Gaidar: member of the CPSU since 1980. Editor of the political magazine "Communist"
Boris Yeltsin: member of the CPSU since 1961, member of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Council, member of the CPSU Central Committee.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: Rimlianin

And those shot by the Bolsheviks in Crimea in 1921-1922. tens of thousands of Russian officers of Wrangel’s army,

There weren't tens of thousands there. Wrangel took almost everyone to Istanbul.

[kalibr]

Quote: Bator

Remember this number: 642 980 man

You have not made a discovery. In the textbook for Wed. school in 1995 it was already given!

[Rimlianin]

I remember watching a recording of the memoirs of an old security officer-executioner. He told with a grin how he shot a teenager, but he did not want to die. I don’t understand what higher goals can justify the death of an innocent person, a child? What kind of Russian civilization that needed to be saved is the author writing about? The one who was killed in the basements by Yezhov’s executioners? They say that if there had not been ’37, there would have been no ’45. And in my opinion, if there had not been ’37, there would not have been a sad ’91 for the country. The people did not stand up for the government, which always lied to them and was a hypocrite. But there were also mass executions in Crimea in 1921, carried out by Zemlyachka and Bela Kun. Kronstadt and Tambov. Destruction of the Russian peasantry through collectivization. And what good purposes will the author justify these atrocities against our people with?

[ccsr]

Quote: Rimlianin

I remember watching a recording of the memories of one old security officer-executioner.

A link to the film where this is described - so that you are not considered verbiage.

[Rimlianin]

Film from the Novosibirsk film studio during perestroika. I searched on YouTube and couldn't find it. I'll look for it tomorrow and post it here.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: Rimlianin

Film from the Novosibirsk film studio during perestroika. I searched on YouTube and couldn't find it. I'll look for it tomorrow and post it here.

And you are sure that this is not a fake, they have now thrown us a lot.

[Rimlianin]

Unfortunately, I couldn’t find it, I searched all over YouTube. Possibly deleted. Was in the block of films about Kolpashevo Yar. In my opinion, that same old man was a participant in the executions in Kolpashevo.

[Klaus]

Do you believe that the share of the Russian serf or, later, the free peasant in the Russian Empire was easier than the share of the Soviet collective farmer in the 30s-50s of the twentieth century?

[Whowhy]

“History teaches only that it teaches nothing.” Heroes of the revolution were destroyed at all times so that they would not get in the way. Everything was planned out like clockwork - both Yezhov’s lawlessness and the subsequent destruction of the lawless people - “all ends in the water.” It is sad that “under the guise, large numbers of talented people innocently suffered, who did not care at all about this whole “class struggle”, and who wanted to work honestly and worked for the good of the Fatherland.
Thus, despite the fact that the liberals greatly overestimated the number of victims of repression, these repressions caused irreparable harm to Russian civilization.

[kalibr]

Quote: ccsr

and study the losses of our people in the nineties of the twentieth century during the “democratic” period

Were they shot?

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

Were they shot?

Yes, and without trial - in gang warfare.

[Reptiloid]

[qIIuote=ccsr][quote=kalibr]Were they shot?[/quote]
Yes, and without trial - in gang warfare.[/quote]
And not only! I have repeatedly suggested that everyone find Academician Gundarov’s article on the network LIBERAL REPRESSION IN RUSSIA and read it.

[kalibr]

These are their problems! Don't get involved with the bandits... It's no one's fault that 80% of the population of any country is not very intelligent and it is difficult for them to quickly adapt and respond to the challenges of the time.

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

These are their problems! Don't mess with the bandits...

We are not talking about the bandits themselves, we don’t feel sorry for them, but about those innocent people whom they killed for their own selfish purposes or in the course of their showdowns. Don't you feel sorry for those young waitresses or strangers who died in shootings or explosions in the same restaurants and bars?

[kalibr]

There were about a hundred attempts to hijack aircraft in the Soviet Union. About every fourth of them can be classified as successful. 17 hijackers were killed during the hijacking attempts or during the subsequent attack on the plane. What is much worse is that the number of deaths during the same time among civil aircraft crew members and their passengers is 111 people...

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

There were about a hundred attempts to hijack aircraft in the Soviet Union.

What did you lead to? Ships are hijacked much less often than they are destroyed, and many more people die in plane crashes than in terrorist attacks on airplanes. So what, don’t fly now?

[kalibr]

Quote: Essex62

from the late 50s to the end of the 80s

There wasn't even toilet paper!

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

There wasn't even toilet paper!

It’s no one’s fault that our people were eager for knowledge and education, which is why many books of different directions were published; there was a shortage of raw materials for toilet paper. And they developed national cultures - they printed a huge number of fiction books in national languages, which gathered dust in warehouses. But if you don’t know how to make excellent toilet paper from ordinary newspaper in the field, I just feel sorry for you...

[kalibr]

So you can use a burdock with your fingers, and then against the wall of the toilet. And you yourself stand and watch how our ships plow the expanses of space. Bliss!

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

So you can use a burdock with your fingers, and then against the wall of the toilet.

Why is it so primitive if newspapers in the USSR were published in huge circulations? But even our children knew how to make the softest toilet paper from ordinary newspaper. It’s a pity that you didn’t know how to do this, since you’re so sad about the lack of pipifax...

[kalibr]

Fonts in Soviet newspapers contained lead. Rubbing with a newspaper at that time meant rubbing cancer on yourself, didn’t they know? The culture is to dine in the dining room and cook food in the kitchen!

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

Rubbing with a newspaper at that time meant rubbing cancer on yourself, didn’t they know?

Unfortunately, the water supply in Ancient Rome was also made of lead, but they did not have hemorrhoids with this issue, and they had not heard about cancer.
By the way, Rosstat has not yet published statistics on anal cancer during the Soviet period, and therefore your information is difficult to verify. Can you share your knowledge?

Quote: kalibr

The culture is to dine in the dining room and cook food in the kitchen!

Well, how, for example, can one comply with this desire in the field?

[kalibr]

But I don’t want to live in the field!

[ccsr]

Quote: kalibr

But I don’t want to live in the field!

This is not about you at all, but about hundreds of thousands and millions of people who have carried out and are carrying out work where there is nothing without which you cannot imagine civilization. Only they do not think, but create civilization - this is the main difference.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Essex62

from the late 50s to the end of the 80s

There wasn't even toilet paper!

At all times, something was missing. And then it appeared. And it wasn’t under the king. So what now? In many countries they still don’t. So what? And not even all people on the planet have access to sewerage, so what of it?

[M. Michelson]

What stupidity! The author, without realizing it, follows in the footsteps of F. Raskolnikov’s “Open Letter to Stalin,” who did the most important thing for the anti-Stalinists: he showed him as an exclusively advancing figure. Since then, even the thought that Stalin’s life hung in the balance for several years, that he was being hunted, that he, like Yasser Arafat, dashed around inside Moscow from his dacha to the Kremlin and back, does not even occur to “historians.” And only after the failure of the military conspiracy (not the first) Stalin actually launched a counterattack and very harshly. But for the author, such a scheme is clearly beyond comprehension.
Well, this is completely beyond the bounds.

Stalin not only did not allow the Soviet elite to decay and steal...

Unfortunately, people want to see what is desired, not what is real. They see the luxurious life of the elite of that time, but they don’t seem to see it. They prefer harsh rhetoric and trials of enemies of the people (which contributed to the “return of capital” only in the fevered brains of other authors). And they say: under Stalin there was order, but there was no corruption. Although there was no such corruption as in the post-war USSR even under Brezhnev!! Stalin tried to fight the unruly generals (like Yeltsin - to besiege the oligarchs) through targeted rigged trials, but this also harmed him. And the thieves in uniform, for the most part, listened and ate.
However, this is a little-researched story. But it would be necessary.

[ccsr]

Quote: M. Michelson

Although there was no such corruption as in the post-war USSR even under Brezhnev!!

You would think that you would have statistics on corruption trials in those days.
Can you provide a link to the source of your knowledge?