Americans needed mobile nuclear power plants for the army

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On the American portal The Drive, Joseph Trevitnik has published an article on the American Military Reactors That Can Fit In A C-17 ("The US military wants tiny mobile nuclear reactors that can fit in C-17"). The article tells that the American Armed Forces decided to order the development of mobile NPPs for their needs.

The US Strategic Opportunity and Enforcement Administration called on potential developers to submit their proposals for mobile NPPs for the aircraft in accordance with the stated requirements. They are needed, they say, to meet the ever-growing demand for electricity in the modern army when conducting operations in remote locations with harsh conditions. Notice of this was published a week ago at one of the main "guest bidders", to put it in our concepts, sites, and after a few days the requirements for Project Dithulium, as they called it, were clarified.



They want to get a mobile nuclear power plant weighing about 40 t, power 1-10 MW, placed on a semi-trailer, capable of being transported by sea and in a C-17A military transport aircraft. This is obviously about container performance. The deployment time of the station after delivery is no more than 3 days, and clotting is a week. Very mild requirements, it should be noted. During the year (although the dates for the start of this period are not approved), the management will expect projects from interested corporations, then select one developer and wait for the finished prototype for 2025, if funding for this stage is finally approved, and if the deadlines fail and the other is possible.

We need this mobile, more precisely, transportable (because the container does not transport itself) nuclear power plants to the US military for the following reasons. Energy consumption in the leading armies of the world is constantly increasing - more and more electronics, automated control systems of various levels, communication systems, radar, electronic warfare systems. An even greater need is expected in view of the appearance of various means of protecting the troops from small-sized UAVs, or, say, the development weapons on new physical principles, such as EMP weapons, electromagnetic accelerators, lasers, or, say, electric or hybrid vehicles that require charging, electric UAVs or, say, ground-based robotic systems for electrical power.

The US Armed Forces currently rely either on local power grids (which, incidentally, is prohibited in a combat situation, it is necessary to switch to autonomous power supply), or on its diesel generators and DES at various levels. But in remote areas or in areas with a dangerous situation, there may be interruptions in the supply of fuel and lubricants, both in the composition of the columns, and with the transfer aviation. The Americans did not forget how they used helicopters to transport the “fuel” in Afghanistan, which was turning into “gold,” because they could not ensure the passage of the columns. This is when they had troops there, together with the Allies, twice as many as the USSR, which for some reason almost did not experience such problems. Also, Americans believe that in a war with a serious high-tech adversary, a situation can easily arise where you can’t throw anything over the air, because the enemy’s air defense does not, and on the ground it’s not particularly either. As a result, requirements were born to ensure the possibility of conducting combat operations of a brigade combat group for a week without supplies. Obviously, nuclear power plants come from them too.


Holos Mobile NPP Project

At the moment there are already several potential proposals on the topic, more precisely, there are several projects that, in general, could be suitable. So, there is a MegaPower project from LANL - Los Alamos National Laboratory. It gives 1 MW of energy (we are talking about electrical energy, and not about thermal energy supplied by the reactor) and satisfies the advanced requirements on mobility and time of deployment and coagulation. There is an e-Vinci project from Westinghouse - this is a whole series of microreactors from 25 kW to 200 MW, but the deployment time is long - about a month. Both of these projects do not use water cooling and heat transfer, being air-cooling systems on the so-called "flame tubes". There is also a project from Filippone and Associates LLC, called Holos, a gas-cooled reactor for which power from 3 to 13 MW is claimed (for assembling 4 modules and placed in a container) and supposedly as long as 60 years (compared to 5-10) years of competitors). There are still projects from URENCO, but they are completely unsuitable for deployment and collapse times.

[media = https: //youtu.be/RPI8G6COc8g || Mobile MegaPower NPP from LANL]

[media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = NmQ9ku9ABCs || Holos Reactor Module Operational Diagram]

It should be noted that the decision of the Americans to address this issue was influenced by the fact that such a mobile nuclear power plant would soon go into service with the Russian Armed Forces. Approximately in 2-3 of the year, a prototype mobile land-based nuclear power plant for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, intended primarily for Siberia and the Far North, should be ready. And to 2023g. OCD can be completed if, of course, the deadlines also do not move. But, unlike the Americans, we don’t want a transported circuit and trailers. And understanding that we have everything with roads, and often in the North in general, we preferred a modular scheme, designed either for an all-terrain self-propelled wheeled or tracked bases. Power is planned in three options - 100 kW, 1 MW and 10 MW. Moreover, many analysts have a suspicion that the Peresvet laser combat complex, whose combat positions are gradually appearing in various missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces, may also have a small nuclear power source. Although this is only suspicion and rumor, and it is quite possible that there is an ordinary source of energy. But besides that, underwater small nuclear power plants are being created in Russia. Thus, the NIKIET Shelf project envisages the creation of both a ground and an underwater bottom variant of a station with a capacity of 6.4MW. The "Shelf" is officially proposed for future work in the Arctic on the creation of powerful bottom complexes for exploration and production, and unofficially in the West, many suspect that it is also needed for a new powerful underwater tracking network known as Harmony. ATGU (autonomous turbogenerator installation) "Shelf" has a mass, together with a durable external housing for diving to the bottom of the order of 350, and power of the order of 44-50 kW, operating time without maintenance - 5000, there is also the Iceberg project from CDB MT Rubin "and OKBM them. Afrikantov - with power up to 24MW and operating time without maintenance up to 8000. But this project is proposed primarily for the peaceful development of the Arctic depths. There is also the PNAEM project for Africans, from 10 to 50 MW.


ATGU "Shelf", module diagram.


PNAEM from OKBM "Afrikantov"

Of course, the Pentagon guys felt hurt, and they wanted to have something similar. But it should be noted that all these our and American projects are based on a powerful background in both superpowers on this topic. Except maybe undersea nuclear power plants, but here the experience of building a nuclear submarine was useful. Both in the USSR and in the USA, since 50-ies, they have been actively working on mobile small nuclear power plants, which then seemed quite natural, along with projects and even prototypes of atomic locomotives, atomic planes and even atomic grip. And there were quite real results on this topic in 50-60's, and later, in 70-80's. But after the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, the wave of "radiophobia" almost washed this topic down the drain. But decades passed, and nuclear mobile and transportable stations were needed again. We'll see if something really serial will come out this time from anyone, or, like in the past decades, the desire for economy will be stronger.

And about the results of previous years, the story will continue in another article.
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  1. +1
    28 January 2019 06: 08
    As far as I know, in the USSR, the development of mobile reactors began somewhere in 56-57. The most famous mobile mobile nuclear power plants are TPP-3 and Pamir-630D. Unfortunately, after the Chernobyl disaster, all mobile projects were closed.
    1. -10
      28 January 2019 07: 08
      Human memory is short. Will we wait for an accident at a mobile nuclear power plant?
      1. +12
        28 January 2019 07: 27
        Quote: Mikhail M
        Human memory is short. Will we wait for an accident at a mobile nuclear power plant?

        What nonsense? Are you expecting accidents on nuclear icebreakers? Idiots who are not competent simply cannot be allowed to approach the reactor, and there will be no Chernobyls. There are articles on the VO website under the general title "The Chernobyl Notebook". Look, read, the causes of the accident are described in detail there.
        1. +2
          28 January 2019 11: 10
          Many idiots should not even be allowed to drive, but they do. If you do not agree that the likelihood of an accident increases with the number of reactors, then we have no subject to talk about.
          1. +5
            28 January 2019 11: 20
            Quote: Mikhail M
            Many idiots should not even be allowed to drive, but they do. If you do not agree that the likelihood of an accident increases with the number of reactors, then we have no subject to talk about.

            Dependence is not direct. For example, the presence of a dozen modern water-water reactors is safer than one channel graphite. A reactor with a metal coolant is generally a safety top. By the way, the patients are not allowed to drive at all. Here also. If at one time in the USSR they did not give a damn about safety and quality training of personnel, then this still does not mean anything.
            1. +3
              28 January 2019 12: 40
              why are channel reactors so bad and dangerous? bully If you are talking about Chernobyl, it’s not the device that’s to blame, but the staff request
              1. +2
                28 January 2019 12: 45
                Quote: ser56
                why are channel reactors so bad and dangerous? If you are talking about Chernobyl, it’s not the device that’s to blame, but the staff

                Leningrad NPPs had the same reactors, there were also enough accidents. What's worse? Well, for example, it is impossible to create a protective containment, more precisely it is possible, but too expensive. There is no strong case. Reactors of this type were initially used as industrial (plutonium was made there), and there were always enough accidents.
                1. +1
                  28 January 2019 12: 52
                  1) accidents at channel reactors are a consequence of either a rush to create or not knowledge request By the way, minor accidents are more likely to occur on them.
                  2) and there you do not need a solid case from the word at all, but a hemobuff can be made .....
                  1. +1
                    28 January 2019 13: 36
                    Quote: ser56
                    accidents at channel reactors are a consequence of either a rush to create or not knowledge. By the way, minor accidents are more likely to occur.

                    So they are also more dirty. On the whole two orders. All reactors at least a little, but throw away. So channel leaders here. And the first accident at the graphite reactor still seemed to be with Fermi.
                    1. 0
                      28 January 2019 13: 43
                      The question of dirt is controversial - the one from TVEL, if it is intact, then what are the problems? Filters for ventilation, the pipe in a higher way is such a problem ... Well, on the top platform you need to wear a petal .... bully
                      But such a reactor does not have a strained case, and therefore its rupture is not possible, there is no such mass of irradiated metal ...
                      1. +2
                        28 January 2019 13: 48
                        Quote: ser56
                        The question of dirt is controversial - the one from TVEL, if it is intact, then what are the problems? Filters for ventilation, the pipe in a higher way is such a problem ... Well, on the top platform you need to wear a petal ....
                        But such a reactor does not have a strained case, and therefore its rupture is not possible, there is no such mass of irradiated metal ...

                        So the number of pipes and connections seems to be four to six times more. They are all under pressure. Aging and tearing. For the channels are the same. By emissions here I do not know what caused it. But numerically yes, two orders of magnitude (100 times) more.
                      2. +1
                        28 January 2019 16: 01
                        it seems you did not see the channel reactor and VVER alive ... but I'm sinful bully
            2. 0
              28 January 2019 15: 27
              Quote: 1810BM86
              If at one time in the USSR they did not give a damn about safety and quality training of personnel, then this still does not mean anything.

              This is just how training can become a sore point. If the possibility of high-quality staff training can be solved for a large nuclear power plant, then for many small NPPs, the personnel issue may become a key one, and what they have, and not what is needed, will be recruited. Yes, and control is much more difficult.
              1. +1
                28 January 2019 15: 33
                Quote: Mikhail M
                This is just how training can become a sore point. If the possibility of high-quality staff training can be solved for a large nuclear power plant, then for many small NPPs, the personnel issue may become a key one, and what they have, and not what is needed, will be recruited. Yes, and control is much more difficult.

                They are going to be built in such a way that service, in principle, is required once every 5000 ++ hours of operation. Reactors on a metal coolant seem to allow this. They flew into space with us. There is generally no one to serve.
                1. 0
                  28 January 2019 16: 15
                  But weren't they thermoelectric in space?
                  1. +1
                    28 January 2019 16: 19
                    Quote: ser56

                    but weren't thermoelectric in space

                    Not only. Read about Cosmos-954. The epic nature of the incident is off the charts. winked
                    1. 0
                      28 January 2019 16: 41
                      there is just a thermoelectric converter ...
                      1. +1
                        28 January 2019 16: 44
                        Quote: ser56
                        there is just a thermoelectric converter ...

                        BES-5 - fast neutron reactor. Here is a converter instead of a turbine. There is a difference from what to take heat. From a piece of radioactive piece of iron that stupidly heats up or from a controlled chain reaction.
                      2. +1
                        28 January 2019 16: 49
                        Yes, no difference - there were converters for geologists from the glass of a kerosene lamp ... bully
                        By the way, the last device was thermionic, i.e. more perfect ...
          2. +1
            29 January 2019 01: 29
            Quote: Mikhail M
            If you do not agree that the likelihood of an accident increases with the number of reactors, then we have no subject to talk about.

            The likelihood of an accident to a greater extent depends on the NPPZ (VAB-1) and NPPV (VAB-2) per reactor / year of a specific project. Now the total number of reactor-years in the world is 17 years.
            https://pris.iaea.org/pris/
          3. 0
            29 January 2019 04: 29
            That is, you propose to close all nuclear power plants and switch to horse-drawn traction from a car? Although he will remain the same on the wagon. Is there one road to the primitive system? Although the spear in the hands of an idiot ....
        2. +1
          28 January 2019 11: 19
          Quote: 1810BM86
          Quote: Mikhail M
          Human memory is short. Will we wait for an accident at a mobile nuclear power plant?

          What nonsense? Are you expecting accidents on nuclear icebreakers? Idiots who are not competent simply cannot be allowed to approach the reactor, and there will be no Chernobyls. There are articles on the VO website under the general title "The Chernobyl Notebook". Look, read, the causes of the accident are described in detail there.

          Excuse me, but why were they allowed to the Chernobyl NPP management if they were?
          1. +1
            28 January 2019 12: 41
            The system was so built that for the sake of all sorts of nonsense and buns, they spat on safety ... request
            1. 0
              28 January 2019 13: 39
              Still worse. NPPs were then transferred from the Ministry of Medium Engineering to power engineers. There was no system at all. It was just then that they built it.
              1. 0
                28 January 2019 16: 03
                everything is not so simple, the same Leningrad NPP was not transmitted ... request
                1. 0
                  28 January 2019 16: 08
                  Well yes. People still worried about the safety of the northern capital. Do not go on occasion. Moreover, there were serious accidents at the LNPP at the beginning of operation. So they did not dare.
                  1. +1
                    28 January 2019 16: 27
                    there were other reasons, completely unrelated to safety ... but there really were accidents, and it was precisely the forerunners of the Chernobyl accident, why the personnel at the console did not know about it - a mystery ... request
                    1. +1
                      28 January 2019 16: 35
                      Hidden the accident. I say, read the Chernobyl notebook.
                      1. +1
                        28 January 2019 16: 37
                        Thanks for the advice, but I have more serious sources of information. feel
                      2. +2
                        28 January 2019 16: 42
                        Quote: ser56
                        Thanks for the advice, but I have more serious sources of information.

                        I also have more serious ones. But the person who wrote this can be trusted. Nevertheless, he operated the RMBK-1000 at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. And in general, it is very close to nuclear reactors. And yes. Opinion among the exploiters, and indeed all involved in the principle coincides with him. He just clearly describes the consequences themselves, so to speak popularly.
                      3. +1
                        28 January 2019 16: 44
                        the staff usually blames the design of the apparatus, it is imperfect, of course, but not the main reason ... bully
                      4. +3
                        28 January 2019 16: 48
                        Quote: ser56
                        the staff usually blames the design of the apparatus, it is imperfect, of course, but not the main reason ...

                        Well, you have not read. Nobody blames there the design of the device right so that at all. The directors of the station, chief engineer, minister, supervisory authorities, the system as a whole are blamed there. In general, everyone who needs it is blamed.
                      5. 0
                        28 January 2019 17: 32
                        I didn’t read, I read normal technical articles, where everything is described differently feel for example, when the CPS automation was turned off, the decision had to be made at 3 seconds, and at the 7th it was too late ... hi
                      6. +1
                        28 January 2019 17: 59
                        Quote: ser56
                        I didn’t read it, I read normal technical articles, where everything is described differently, for example, when the CPS automation was turned off, the decision had to be made at 3 seconds, and at the 7th it was too late ...

                        "Chernobyl Notebook" G. U. Medvedev - competent and
                        fearlessly true story about the tragedy that happened more than three years ago,
                        which continues to excite millions of people. Perhaps for the first time we have
                        such a complete first-hand testimony. free from defaults and
                        departmental "diplomacy". The author is an atomic scientist who worked one
                        time at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant and knowing her well, personally familiar with everyone
                        main participants in the events. In official capacity, he attended
                        many critical meetings on nuclear construction. Right after
                        accident Medvedev was sent to Chernobyl and had the opportunity a lot
                        learn by fresh traces, see with your own eyes. He leads a lot
                        technical details necessary to understand the mechanism of occurrence
                        accident, reveals the secrets of bureaucratic relations, talks about scientific and
                        design miscalculations about the pernicious bosses, command pressure, about
                        prejudice to publicity before the accident and in emergency
                        situation after it. Central to the Story - Chronicle Description
                        events in Chernobyl in the tragic days of April and May 1986. Author
                        shows the behavior and role of numerous participants in the drama, living, real
                        people with their weaknesses and virtues, doubts, weaknesses,
                        delusions and heroism next to the out-of-control atomic
                        a monster. This cannot be read without the deepest excitement. We knew about
                        feat of firefighters. The author talks about the heroism of electricians, turbinists.
                        operators and other plant workers who prevented further
                        increase in the scale of the accident.
                        Everything related to the Chernobyl disaster, its causes and consequences,
                        should be made public. We need a complete, undisguised truth. People
                        should be able to form an opinion on their own. what's so straight
                        concerns the life and health of each of us and our descendants, to have the right
                        participation in key decisions determining the fate of the country and
                        the planet. Should nuclear power develop at all? Veli yes. then
                        is it permissible to build reactors located on the surface of the earth
                        (even much safer than Chernobyl) or all of them should
                        to be driven underground? These are all issues that cannot be resolved.
                        entrusted only to specialists, especially departments with their
                        narrow-minded, biased and often not disinterested approach, with their circular
                        bail and interconnectedness (the same applies to many other important
                        environmental issues. economic and social nature !. I personally
                        I am convinced that nuclear energy is necessary for humanity and should
                        develop, but only in conditions of almost complete safety, that
                        really requires the placement of reactors underground. Need international law
                        prohibiting the ground location of reactors. You can’t delay.
                        Academician A. SAKHAROV.

                        I'm not sure about "underground", but otherwise everything is correct.
                      7. 0
                        28 January 2019 18: 22
                        you forget 2 things:
                        1) the time Sakharov wrote this assessment is perestroika.
                        2) the age of the academician himself ... request
                      8. +1
                        28 January 2019 18: 26
                        But how does this affect the assessment of the competence of the author, his technical literacy and knowledge of the issue? This is not a work of art. Rather like a technical report.
                      9. +1
                        28 January 2019 18: 29
                        convinced - I will try to find and read bully
          2. +1
            28 January 2019 12: 47
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Excuse me, but why were they allowed to the Chernobyl NPP management if they were?

            In the search on this website, type - "Chernobyl Notebook". Read it, they explain everything there.
        3. 0
          28 January 2019 22: 53
          The Chernobyl nuclear power plant was not fired from mortars and the suicide bomber didn’t burst into it
          Similar mini-nuclear power plants will be the primary targets when attacking US bases
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          2. +1
            29 January 2019 09: 56
            Quote: tots
            Similar mini-nuclear power plants will be the primary targets when attacking US bases

            It will be just a "dirty" atomic bomb, and the infection will be local, because the mass of the radioactive substance is incommensurable. For example, the explosion of a chemical enterprise will suffer much more people.
    2. 0
      28 January 2019 12: 38
      There was still a Spark in Pines near Minsk ... according to a very interesting scheme on nitrogen tetroxide feel
  2. -5
    28 January 2019 07: 06
    Of course, the Pentagon guys were upset, and they wanted to have something similar

    This is not the same thing. Our version is just an autonomous mobile nuclear power plant for most economic purposes, and here we are talking about a military power station to provide parts during the fighting.
    The idea is frankly delusional and with a 90% probability will remain only an idea. If only .... The ears of Lockheed Martin, in which the Skunk laboratory works on a compact fusion reactor, do not stick out behind it. In this case, the work may receive additional funding.
    1. +5
      28 January 2019 08: 53
      Quote: Puncher
      Our version is just an autonomous mobile nuclear power plant for most economic purposes, and here we are talking about a military power station to provide parts during the fighting.

      What is the difference? An additional 100 tons of armor? Will not save.
      A fusion reactor does not exist (not even a mobile one) - it's (for now) a fantasy
      1. -3
        28 January 2019 09: 05
        Quote: mark1
        What's the difference?

        A nuclear power plant operating in the Arctic and supplying energy to many objects of both military and civilian nature is not the same thing as a container from a nuclear power plant following the troops along the "mountains and valleys".
        Quote: mark1
        A fusion reactor does not exist (not even a mobile one) - it's (for now) a fantasy

        You do not understand what is written? Skunk works laboratory is working on a mobile fusion reactor, but it wasn’t created only by one, but the work is ongoing and requires funding. Will it turn out or not this is another question not related to the topic.
        1. +1
          28 January 2019 09: 39
          Quote: Puncher
          A nuclear power plant operating in the Arctic and supplying energy to many objects of both military and civilian nature is not the same thing as a container from a nuclear power plant following the troops along the "mountains and valleys".

          But we are talking about mobile nuclear power plants and they are all dual-use. The weight is 40 tons, the deployment time is 3 days - that is, the mobility is limited, you do not stalk after the tank column "over the mountains along the valleys".
          Quote: Puncher
          Skunk works laboratory is working on a mobile fusion reactor, but it wasn’t created only by one, but the work is ongoing and requires funding.

          The work is, of course, underway, but funding is clearly not under this article, if only by the fact that by the 25th year no result is expected, but perhaps by the 35th
          1. +1
            28 January 2019 09: 51
            Quote: mark1
            The work is, of course, underway, but funding is clearly not under this article, if only by the fact that by the 25th year no result is expected, but perhaps by the 35th

            I suggested, I do not say ... I just do not see any other arguments. A nuclear power plant, even if not at the front line, but in the operational rear, is just a gift to the enemy. It’s easy to identify, it’s impossible to move the deployed nuclear power plant in half an hour ... A tidbit for aviation and OTRK.
            1. +1
              28 January 2019 10: 05
              Quote: Puncher
              A nuclear power plant, even if not at the front line, but in the operational rear, is just a gift to the enemy.

              Here, apparently, it is supposed that all kinds of new-fangled weapons will be massively enlisted in the troops — lasers, Gaussian (railguns), electromagnetic radiation, electronic warfare, high-frequency, etc. of which we do not know, and most likely in the interests of air defense
              1. +2
                28 January 2019 10: 30
                Quote: mark1
                Here, apparently, mass entry of all kinds of new-fangled weapons into the troops is supposed

                RTGs are by no means newfangled weapons - they still threw themselves onto the Moon with our Lunokhod. So, most likely, the Americans have new high-temperature semiconductor thermocouples that will be used in this project, as I can assume based on my understanding of the construction of such small nuclear power plants.
                1. +2
                  28 January 2019 10: 40
                  Here I’m not strong, but I think RTGs are not able to give out high pulse power, but again, the competence is close to 0
                  1. 0
                    28 January 2019 13: 27
                    Quote: mark1
                    Here I’m not strong, but I think RTGs are not able to give out high pulse power, but again, the competence is close to 0

                    Nuclear power just provides for normal operation, where pulsed loads are extremely undesirable. To solve impulse problems, either thermal power plants or energy storage devices are used, in the form of pumping water at times of low load, or selling it at low prices to other regions (countries). RTGs are constantly generating heat, so you just need to provide for heat removal, and so solve the problem. However, now perhaps everything is being decided differently - I can not judge.
        2. 0
          28 January 2019 12: 32
          Quote: Puncher
          Skunk works laboratory is working on a mobile fusion reactor, but it wasn’t created only by one, but the work is ongoing and requires funding. Will it turn out or not this is another question not related to the topic.

          - The king is taking care of his subjects
          From dawn to dawn!
          - That's when it is baked -
          We'll see what's inside!
          (c) "After the rain on Thursday"

          А for now fusion reactor - real fantasy.
      2. 0
        28 January 2019 16: 17
        There are already fusion reactors based on tokamaks, they just have an energy output less than unity ... request Maybe ITER will be the first with a positive energy output ...
        1. 0
          29 January 2019 01: 37
          Quote: ser56
          Maybe ITER will be the first with a positive energy output.

          In his project there is no power generation, only cooling.
          1. +1
            29 January 2019 12: 25
            positive reaction output and power generation are slightly different things ... request
            1. 0
              29 January 2019 15: 18
              Sergey, I agree. It’s just that the article indicates the requirement of power generation for the project of a new mobile AFMM.
              1. 0
                29 January 2019 15: 48
                1) it is currently not possible to create a compact fusion reactor request it would be nice for 30 years to create a working pilot industrial ... however, if ITER is launched it will be more clear - maybe it will just need to be modernized for this feel
                2) as far as the topic is concerned, creating mini-nuclear power plants according to the classical reactor-turbine-generator scheme is not serious ... For example, the cost of Spark was more than 0,5yards of stagnant rubles, while the safety requirements were underestimated. In my opinion, it is more advantageous for the north to build hybrid stations (wind / sun / diesel), which will give significant savings on logistics in peacetime ... As for the military, small mobile mini-nuclear plants will quickly destroy and create many problems with radioactive contamination of the area .. ... in general, it seems like a provocation from the Americans, so that ours would be led ... bully
                1. 0
                  29 January 2019 16: 35
                  Now, from memory, from the AFMM approved RITM-200 in the ground version and the shelf in the underwater. The reports also included work on SVBR for the military and / or on topics of electricity supply in the Arctic and near the NSR.
                  1. 0
                    29 January 2019 17: 33
                    Quote: asv363
                    RPSM-200 approved from AFMM

                    this is 175MW thermal and 55 electro - this is a completely different class of device ... in the article up to 1MW of electric power ...
                    1. 0
                      29 January 2019 17: 58
                      The article indicates from 1 to 10 MW. RITM-200 was proposed as a stationary option, the core is completely overloaded at SVBR, along the Shelf - in my opinion they are completely changed.

                      One way or another, redundancy for food is everywhere required.
                2. -1
                  29 January 2019 19: 25
                  Quote: ser56
                  As for the military, small-scale mini nuclear power plants will quickly destroy and create many problems with radioactive contamination of the area ..

                  They use them primarily to provide power to stationary facilities in remote regions. Mobility is needed primarily for transporting their cars, railways. and air transport.
                  Quote: ser56
                  as far as the topic is concerned, it’s not serious to create mini nuclear power plants according to the classical reactor-turbine-generator scheme ...

                  They use medium- or high-temperature semiconductor thermocouples with forced cooling of the fin part of the thermogenerator. We are not talking about any classical schemes of nuclear power plants.
                  1. 0
                    30 January 2019 11: 26
                    1) there are no semiconductor thermocouples - this is a junction of metals ... feel
                    2) thermionic generators are more efficient
                    3) everything is designed for space, the question is to adapt for the earth, but is it necessary ...
                    1. -1
                      30 January 2019 12: 13
                      Quote: ser56

                      1) there are no semiconductor thermocouples - this is a junction of metals ...

                      You amused me, given that I dealt with this issue almost forty years ago ...
                      Semiconductor thermocouples are combined into thermopiles containing several thermocouples. The battery is described by the same parameters and characteristics as a separate thermocouple. Thermal and electrical parameters of a thermocouple or thermopile are determined by simple electrical measurements. So, to determine the coefficient of thermo-EMF it is enough to create a temperature difference between the junctions and measure the resulting thermo-EMF. Semiconductor thermal batteries are commercially available. [2]

                      This allows the use of semiconductor thermocouples not only for measuring temperature, but also as current generators that directly convert heat into electricity. The internal junctions of the thermocouples are heated to 570 K, the external junctions have a temperature of about 330 K. The TGK-3 thermoelectric generator has been successfully used to power radio receivers.

                      http://www.ngpedia.ru/id510448p1.html
                      By the way, their efficiency is higher than that of metal, which is why they are more promising given the price and their characteristics.
                      Quote: ser56
                      everything is designed for space, the question is to adapt to the earth, but is it necessary ...

                      On the ground, ordinary fuel can be used - for example, a Bumblebee primus burner to obtain a charging current of 2A for 12,6V batteries.
                      1. 0
                        30 January 2019 12: 34
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You amused me, given that I dealt with this issue almost forty years ago ...

                        now even more fun feel "International standard for thermocouples IEC 60584 (clause 2.2) gives the following definition of a thermocouple: Thermocouple - pair of conductors of various materials connected at one end and forming part of a device that uses the thermoelectric effect to measure temperature. "
                        there is still GOST R 8.585-2001 - State system for ensuring the uniformity of measurements. Thermocouples. The nominal static characteristics of the conversion, we look there in Appendix B the chemical composition of materials for thermocouples and, alas, we do not find semiconductors ... bully
                        So a thermoelectric converter is not equal to a thermocouple, but the Seebeck effect is not the same as a Peltier or Thompson ... hi
                        Quote: ccsr
                        By the way, their efficiency is higher than that of metal, which is why they are more promising given the price and their characteristics.

                        What about the service life? hi
                      2. -1
                        30 January 2019 13: 13
                        Quote: ser56
                        Thermocouple - a pair of conductors of various materials,

                        Is this from your definition? So not all metal thermocouples.
                        Quote: ser56
                        . Thermocouples. Nominal static conversion characteristics, see

                        I don’t have to watch anything - I did two work on creating thermoelectric generators of different capacities, so I personally knew those who were involved in this in the USSR.
                        Quote: ser56
                        What about the service life?

                        Acceptable for customer.
                      3. -1
                        30 January 2019 13: 55
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Is this from your definition? So not all metal thermocouples.

                        1) this is not my definition, I indicated the source of wisdom bully
                        2) it is a pity that you do not read carefully, even highlighted hi there is the word "conductors"
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I conducted two work on the creation of thermoelectric generators of different power

                        all the more unfortunate that you do not know what a thermocouple is ...
                      4. -1
                        30 January 2019 19: 53
                        Quote: ser56
                        all the more unfortunate that you do not know what a thermocouple is ...

                        You are trying in vain to get out after you got into a puddle, because there are low-temperature, medium-temperature, and high-temperature SEMICONDUCTOR thermocouples, and it is from them, and not from metal, that modern thermoelectric generators are designed. Why I tried to explain to you from them, but it’s a pity that you did not understand this.
                      5. 0
                        31 January 2019 12: 59
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You're trying in vain to get out

                        I didn’t even try and brought you GOST ... so in the mirror ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        SEMICONDUCTOR thermocouples,

                        I am waiting for the brand of these ... metal I can bring it as you like - TJK, TMKn, TNN, TXA, etc ....
                        Quote: ccsr
                        modern thermoelectric generators.

                        it’s a pity that you confuse the terms - thermocouple and thermocouple ... bully
                      6. -1
                        31 January 2019 13: 35
                        Quote: ser56
                        it’s a pity that you confuse the terms - thermocouple and thermocouple ...

                        Maybe I'm confusing something, but as far as I remember, bismuth and antimony telluride was used:
                        Bismuth Telluride Thermoelectric Materials Bi2Te3
                        The bismuth telluride compound Bi2Te3 is a semiconductor material with both p- and n-conductivity.
                        Thermoelectric modules are used to generate electricity by directly converting heat to electricity. When heating a thermoelectric module connected to an electric circuit, electricity is generated. This property is possessed by thermoelectric generator modules (TGM).


                        Quote: ser56
                        I am waiting for the brand of these ... metal I can bring it as you like - TJK, TMKn, TNN, TXA, etc ....

                        This:
                        This property is possessed by thermoelectric generator modules (TGM)
                      7. -1
                        31 January 2019 13: 39
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I remember using bismuth telluride and antimony:

                        1) this is not a thermocouple ... I repeat - the volume does not work for the thermocouple, but only JUST, the place of contact (welding) ... request
                        2) and there are semiconductor thermal generators, but these are NOT thermocouples ...
                      8. -1
                        31 January 2019 13: 46
                        Quote: ser56
                        this is not a thermocouple ... I repeat - the volume does not work for the thermocouple, but only JUST, the place of contact (welding) ...

                        As far as I understand, it is bismuth and antimony telluride that is the thermocouple for the production of EMF, and, accordingly, electric current. And how it turns out EMF itself does not bother me much - the main thing is that two different chemical elements are used. Can you offer another THERMOCOUPLE from other elements for thermoelectric generators? Suggest, only they are unlikely to be more effective than the ones I cited. However, maybe now something new has been created, I do not know - I described what was thirty-odd years ago.
                        Quote: ser56
                        and there are semiconductor thermal generators, but these are NOT thermocouples ...

                        But what should they be called in everyday life if they consist of two different chemical elements?
                      9. 0
                        31 January 2019 13: 53
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Can you offer another THERMOCOUPLE from other elements for thermoelectric generators?

                        recommend wiki - type "thermoelectric_materials"

                        Quote: ccsr
                        But what should they be called in everyday life if they consist of two different chemical elements?

                        whatever you want ... I just explained to you that there is a thermocouple ... request
                      10. -1
                        31 January 2019 19: 11
                        Quote: ser56
                        recommend wiki - type "thermoelectric_materials"

                        What kind of wiki is there - the choice was made by doctors of technical sciences, serious scientists of the Soviet period. And their choice was scientifically substantiated during research, and only during the development work we received prototypes that met the requirements of the customer.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I just explained to you that there is a thermocouple ...

                        Thank you, I realized that at the pun you wanted to prove to me the absence of semiconductor thermocouples in nature. There was no evidence of this ...
                      11. -1
                        1 February 2019 11: 49
                        Quote: ccsr
                        the choice was made by doctors of technical sciences

                        hmm, it's funny with you .... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I realized that at the pun you wanted to prove to me the absence of semiconductor thermocouples in nature. There was no evidence of this ...

                        1) This is not a pun - this is TERMINOLOGY, if you do not understand the difference, then these are your problems ... feel
                        2) to prove not wanting to listen and understand is useless ... request ) I brought you GOST, in response to women's arguments ... crying
                      12. -1
                        1 February 2019 15: 02
                        Quote: ser56
                        This is not a pun - this is TERMINOLOGY, if you do not understand the difference, then these are your problems ..

                        You used the terminology for thermocouples, which are used to determine temperatures.
                        But for thermocouples that produce EMF in the Soviet GOST, the definition was given:
                        1. Semiconductor thermoelectric device
                        Thermoelectric device
                        D.Halbleiterthermoelektrische Anordnung
                        E. Semiconductor thermoelectric device
                        F. Dispositif thermo-electrique GOST 18577-80 Thermoelectric semiconductor devices. Terms and definitions of semiconducteurs

                        A device whose operation is based on the use of Peltier or Seebeck thermoelectric effects in semiconductors, designed to produce heat or cold using electrical energy or to produce electrical energy using thermal
                        2. Semiconductor thermocouple
                        Thermocouple
                        D.Halbleiterthermoelement
                        e.Semiconductor thermoelement
                        F. GOST 18577-80 Thermoelectric semiconductor devices. Terms and definitions of semiconducteurs

                        A semiconductor thermoelectric device comprising one positive and one negative branch, electrically connected in series

                        A device from two branches is just a thermocouple - this is obvious, but apparently not for you.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I brought you GOST, in response to women's arguments ...

                        You have not brought the GOST, which speaks of your competence.
                      13. 0
                        1 February 2019 16: 50
                        Quote: ccsr
                        But for thermocouples that produce EMF in the Soviet GOST, the definition was given:

                        Find the term thermocouple in your fragment ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You have not brought the GOST, which speaks of your competence.

                        1) keep on clowning? the GOST given by me is called "GOST R 8.585-2001 - State system for ensuring the uniformity of measurements. Thermocouples. The nominal static characteristics of the conversion "I have highlighted for you ....
                        2) At my skill level, you are scolding as a person who is not able to understand what they write to him, nor what he writes ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Semiconductor thermoelectric devices
                        it is NOT a thermocouple... hi
                      14. -1
                        1 February 2019 20: 57
                        Quote: ser56
                        these are NOT thermocouples ...

                        For you, this is not a thermocouple, because you denied the existence of semiconductor thermocouples, which for some reason, even among the developers, were considered Thermocouples. By the way, do you even have any idea who worked in the USSR, and what terminology was used in official correspondence and in reporting documents? You don’t know this, that's why you decided to show your intelligence, although the physical process is the same, and any developer and customer immediately understands what is at stake.
                      15. 0
                        2 February 2019 13: 48
                        Quote: ccsr
                        then you denied the existence of semiconductor thermocouples

                        1) lying is not beautiful - a branch in the public domain, so look like a clown .... bully
                        2) I have denied and deny the existence of semiconductor thermocouples, and this is completely different ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        which for some reason, even among developers, was considered THERMOCOUPLES.

                        and these are their problems, but there is generally accepted terminology ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        do you even have any idea who in the USSR did these

                        With you both funny and sad bully For example, I worked by order of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the joint venture with a red stripe, so what? hi Can I now call a screw a bolt? bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You don’t know this, that's why you decided to show your intelligence, although the physical process is the same, and any developer and customer immediately understands what is at stake.
                        I don’t need to show "cleverness", I will say this, against my background you are a technical amateur who has taken a pose and denies the obvious ... bully
                      16. -1
                        2 February 2019 17: 25
                        Quote: ser56
                        and these are their problems, but there is generally accepted terminology ...

                        Do not lie - according to GOST
                        Semiconductor thermoelectric device, including one positive and one negative branch, electrically connected in series

                        two branches and means a pair of semiconductor elements.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I don’t need to show "cleverness", I will say this, against my background you are a technical amateur who has taken a pose and denies the obvious ...

                        Your "background" is clear to me - they blurted out what you don't know, and went to look for any information on the net in order to somehow get out. So who in the USSR was engaged in thermoelectricity - educate, since you consider yourself a genius in this area. And then you somehow cleverly faded from the answer to this question ...
                      17. 0
                        4 February 2019 14: 02
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Do not lie - according to GOST

                        the clowning continues ... bully here you lie, see above, caught lying - GOST number in the studio ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        two branches and means a pair of semiconductor elements.

                        the level of your knowledge amuses with its insignificance ... crying
                        Quote: ccsr
                        So who in the USSR was engaged in thermoelectricity - enlighten, since you consider yourself a genius in this area

                        The question is a priori stupid! bully and gives you an illiterate, but overly complex ... hi
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I understand your "background"

                        I doubt it ... request
                        Quote: ccsr
                        blurted out what you don’t know, and climbed to search the network for any information

                        it's you about yourself ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        By the way, do you even have any idea who these were involved in in the USSR, and what terminology was used in official correspondence and in reporting documents?

                        Quote: ccsr
                        And then you somehow deftly faded from the answer to this question ...

                        and what is there to answer? Show your literacy rate yet? OK - thermocouples are usually used as a means of measurement, if they can - guess why! bully But your favorite heat generators - not at all ...
                      18. -1
                        4 February 2019 18: 57
                        Quote: ser56
                        But your favorite heat generators - not at all ...

                        They are not my favorites - I just had to do it.
                        But you are truly amateur because you do not know how semiconductor thermocouples are used even in small-sized refrigeration units.
                        Quote: ser56
                        OK - thermocouples are usually used as a means of measurement, if they can - guess why!

                        In vain do you blow your cheeks - they have an error and are not suitable for accurate measurements:
                        Thermoelectric converters - in other words, thermocouples. They act on the principle of thermoelectric effect, that is, due to the fact that in any closed circuit (from two dissimilar semiconductors or conductors) an electric current will occur if the junctions differ in temperature. So, one end of the thermocouple (working) is immersed in the medium, and the other (free) is not. Thus, it turns out that thermocouples are relative sensors and the output voltage will depend on the temperature difference of the two parts. And almost will not depend on their absolute values. A thermocouple may look like the one shown. This is a DTPKKHX4 thermocouple, it measures temperatures in the range from -40 to +400. It is produced by the Russian company Aries.

                        The range of temperatures measured with their help is from -200 to 2200 degrees, and directly depends on the materials used in them. For example, thermocouples made of base metals - up to 1100 ° C. Noble metal thermocouples (platinum group) - from 1100 to 1600 degrees. If it is necessary to measure temperatures above this, heat-resistant alloys are used (tungsten is the basis). As a rule, it is used in conjunction with a millivoltmeter, and the free end (structurally brought to the head) is removed from the medium by means of an extension wire. One of the disadvantages of a thermocouple is a rather large error. The most common way to use thermocouples are electronic thermometers.

                        So you grabbed only one of the directions of using thermocouples, and decided that this is the basis for denying semiconductor thermocouples, which in itself is ridiculous.
                      19. 0
                        5 February 2019 12: 50
                        Quote: ccsr
                        But you are truly amateur because you do not know how semiconductor thermocouples are used even in small-sized refrigeration units.

                        what a masochist you are .... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        they have an error and are not suitable for accurate measurements:

                        our prime minister’s business is blooming and smelling ... bully I’ll tell you a secret - there is an error in exact measurements .... Do you even have a higher technical education? bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        what did you grab
                        do not read nonsense, amateur ... bully
                      20. -1
                        4 February 2019 18: 59
                        Quote: ser56
                        GOST number in the studio ...

                        GOST 18577-80 Thermoelectric semiconductor devices. Terms and Definitions
                      21. 0
                        5 February 2019 12: 46
                        Quote: ccsr
                        GOST 18577-80 Thermoelectric semiconductor devices. Terms and Definitions

                        1) Show me the word "thermocouple" in it, I will note that in the one I have given it there is ...
                        2) I am waiting for an apology for the bad words addressed to me ...
                      22. -1
                        5 February 2019 13: 13
                        Quote: ser56
                        Show me the word "thermocouple" in it, I will note that in the one I gave it there is ...

                        Do not get out because I brought you texts from technical literature that mention the phrase
                        "semiconductor thermocouples" Thermoelectric converters - otherwise, thermocouples.
                        and you, instead of admitting that you didn’t know anything about this, began to refer to the fact that this is not in the GOST, and you selectively took one of them. Moreover, thermoelectricity cannot exist at all without a pair of elements - this is studied at school. And the fact that you only knew about metal thermocouples, speaks only of your ignorance that thermocouples are also made of semiconductors.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I am waiting for an apology for the bad words addressed to me ...

                        I apologize for your ignorance, which you decided to cover up with ordinary verbiage, blabbering the gist of the issue? Why, I don’t see the point ...
                      23. 0
                        5 February 2019 13: 38
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Do not get out because I brought you texts from technical literature that mention the phrase

                        clowning again ... bully the name of your "technical literature"
                        Quote: ccsr
                        and selectively took one of them

                        1) I have been waiting for GOST from you for a long time, confirming your words about semiconductor thermocouples ... in response to murzilka and clowning ...
                        2) I asked you directly -
                        Quote: ser56
                        Show me the word "thermocouple" in it, I will note that in the one I gave it there is ...
                        silence in response bully conclusion - you are a shallow liar!
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I apologize for your ignorance

                        mine? you are technically illiterate clown! This is clearly seen from your posts ... bully
                        Your passages were especially touched by the errors that your garbage level of technical education betrayed ... fu, an abomination ... crying
                      24. -1
                        5 February 2019 13: 46
                        Quote: ser56
                        the name of your "technical literature"

                        Tomsk State University of Control Systems and Radioelectronics
                        Thermoelectric converters (thermocouples)
                        The principle of operation of thermocouples is based on the thermoelectric effect, which consists in the fact that in a closed circuit consisting of two dissimilar conductors (or semiconductors), current flows if the junctions of the conductors have different temperatures.

                        https://studfiles.net/preview/5970642/page:8/
                        Quote: ser56
                        Your passages were especially touched by the errors that your garbage level of technical education betrayed ... fu, an abomination ...

                        Add an expressive pose - your performance will look more fun for me.
                      25. 0
                        5 February 2019 16: 01
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Thermoelectric converters (thermocouples)

                        training manual / allowance for an illiterate assistant professor? bully and n is this technical documentation for you? bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Add an expressive pose - your performance will look more fun for me.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        GOST 18577-80 Thermoelectric semiconductor devices. Terms and Definitions

                        I still expect the word thermocouple from you in the guest you indicated, clown ... bully

                        it’s trivial with you - you are technically illiterate and dishonorable, it’s humiliating to discuss with you - be there, you will find the word thermocouple in the GOST you quoted - write ... hi
                      26. -1
                        5 February 2019 18: 51
                        Quote: ser56
                        training manual / allowance for an illiterate assistant professor? and n is this technical documentation for you?

                        Unfortunately, I did not keep the technical documentation of thirty years ago - however, it was under the stamp, so I will not be able to convince you of your ignorance with the help of documents. You have won - your ignorance is capable of "refuting" even the textbook of Tomsk University.
                        Quote: ser56
                        debating with you is humiliating -

                        Nevertheless, you so persistently tried to hide your ignorance, after you pointed out your ignorance. Not humiliating?
                      27. -1
                        6 February 2019 15: 12
                        Quote: ccsr
                        as indicated by your ignorance. Not humiliating?

                        1) You showed me your technical illiteracy, and twice - both on the issue of thermocouples and on the issue of errors ... Live with this bully
                        2) On the issue under consideration, I have sufficient knowledge, which I confirmed with references to GOST which directly describes what I said. In response, you whine and demagoguery ... hi
                        Quote: ccsr
                        even a textbook of Tomsk University

                        I note again, for me this is not a document, but a filkin letter! bully Give a link to the author, I will beat him at the voiced university for the replicated illiteracy, I have the opportunity and qualification ... hi
                        I don’t see any point in educating you, I recommend graduating from a technical university ... bully
                      28. 0
                        6 February 2019 19: 08
                        Quote: ser56
                        I note again, for me this is not a document, but a filkin letter! Give a link to the author, I will beat him at the voiced university for the replicated illiteracy, I have the opportunity and qualification ...

                        What prevents you from contacting Tomsk State University of Control Systems and Radioelectronics yourself and asking for the name of the author of the work? I gave you a link to his work.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I don’t see any reason to educate you,

                        Try to enlighten Peter Shostakovsky (St. Petersburg), who uses this term.
                        By the way, you never reported where you can get acquainted with your work in this area, because the link to the GOST of 1980 does not prove anything, judging by the fact that you did not know anything about semiconductor thermocouples.
                      29. -1
                        5 February 2019 19: 52
                        Quote: ser56
                        these are NOT thermocouples ...

                        You think so.
                        But the author of the article thinks differently:
                        Thermoelectric generators
                        industrial application
                        Part 1
                        Thermoelectricity is a unique physical phenomenon,
                        allows you to convert heat flow into electrical
                        energy. The article describes the design and parameters of the generator
                        modules and thermoelectric generators. In the first part
                        basic thermoelectric effects are presented as well
                        thermoelectric generator modules (TGM) - selection, features
                        installations and test results.
                        Peter Shostakovsky (St. Petersburg)
                        ...A completely different picture is obtained
                        in the case of connecting two dissimilar semiconductors. In figure 2
                        thermocouple consisting of
                        semiconductor branches with electronic (n-type) and ionic (p-type) conductivity.
                        For the specified design
                        thermocouple values ​​of α can exceed 1000 μV / K [1, 2].
                        Unlike the Thomson thermoelectric effect existing
                        in the volume of the conductor, the Seebeck effect
                        It is more superficial, as it manifests itself in places
                        contact of two dissimilar metals
                        or semiconductors

                        http://kryothermtec.com/assets/dir2attz/Industrial%20usage%20generators%20(2).pdf
                        Now tell me where I can get acquainted with your articles about the fact that there are no semiconductor thermocouples.
                      30. -1
                        6 February 2019 15: 16
                        Quote: ccsr
                        where I can get acquainted with your articles about the fact that there are no semiconductor thermocouples

                        I brought you GOST, are you few? bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        thermocouple consisting of
                        semiconductor
                        the authors use the wrong terminology where the editors looked - it's not clear!
                      31. 0
                        6 February 2019 19: 17
                        Quote: ser56
                        I brought you GOST, are you few?

                        GOST 1980, so it just might not have been processed. Moreover, this is not a proof that the term "semiconductor thermocouples" cannot be used in technical literature, especially now.
                        Quote: ser56
                        the authors use the wrong terminology where the editors looked - it's not clear!

                        In 1980, there were not a huge number of terms that appeared over the past thirty years. Your speculation at GOST 39 year old, as proof of your technical literacy, looks ridiculous. By the way, P. Shostakovsky refers to the copyright works of famous scientists, so you can argue with them. Where can I get acquainted with your technically competent work in this area?
                      32. 0
                        7 February 2019 12: 48
                        Quote: ccsr
                        GOST 1980, so it may just not be recycled.

                        you are a clown ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        that the term "semiconductor thermocouples" cannot be used in the technical literature, especially now.

                        1) I’ll chew you up, although your ignorance is tiring, in any GOST there is a section of terms and definitions ...
                        2) if you want to be considered a clown, then you can write anything you want ... bully If not, then use not the slang, but the established terminology ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        In 1980, there were not a huge number of terms that appeared over the past thirty years.

                        a translation from a specific question to general reasoning suggests that you admitted your mistake psychologically inside, but you are not ready to admit it externally ... bully Your torment is violet to me ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Where can I get acquainted with your technically competent work in this area?

                        Your level of knowledge is not sufficient to understand the problems that I am investigating ... bully you’re a little old in students, I don’t want to waste time on you ... good luck ... hi
                      33. 0
                        7 February 2019 13: 08
                        Quote: ser56
                        1) I’ll chew you up, although your ignorance is tiring, in any GOST there is a section of terms and definitions ...

                        You yourself were tired, because at first I was accused of ignorance, and when I brought you the author’s articles of OTHER people, you could not imagine anything except verbiage.
                        A typical example of your verbiage:
                        Quote: ser56
                        a translation from a specific question to general reasoning suggests that you admitted your mistake psychologically inside, but you are not ready to admit it externally ..

                        I don’t admit any mistake, because the texts of other authors brought you, and in response you didn’t even slander them. Dare, in this direction ...
                        Quote: ser56
                        the level of your knowledge is not sufficient to understand the problems that I’m exploring ... you’re too old as a student, I don’t want to waste time on you ... good luck ...

                        I have repeatedly communicated with Iordanishvili E.K., when he was in charge of LO VNIIT, and that's enough for me. But what kind of "specialist" you are, I do not know, so it is not for you to judge what I learned from him and what terminology they used in this organization when they carried out R&D in the interests of the customer.
                        So do not bother about me - better refute the publications of other authors. By the way, the author of the article in the journal refers to the works of A.F. Ioffe and E.K. Jordanishvili, so I think he knows better than you what and how to write.
                      34. 0
                        7 February 2019 13: 58
                        Quote: ccsr
                        OTHER people's articles

                        articles in Murzilka! bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        and in response you didn’t even slander them.

                        you have a strange terminology - they blabber on other issues, this is the restoration of truth ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I have repeatedly talked with Iordanishvili E.K.

                        I repeat, you are a clown ... any hairdresser talked to him ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I think that he knows better than you what and how to write.

                        you don’t know how to think ... hi
                      35. 0
                        7 February 2019 19: 33
                        Quote: ser56
                        articles in Murzilka!

                        Give a link to your work at least in murders if they could not show anything else.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I repeat, you are a clown ... any hairdresser talked to him ...

                        In this case, you are a clown - I talked to him like a gas supplier, but you probably only as a hairdresser could communicate with him.
                        Quote: ser56
                        you don’t know how to think ...

                        What did they answer from the university about your desire to teach them an assistant professor for the sake of truth?
                      36. 0
                        8 February 2019 15: 48
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Give a link to your work

                        write by soap in your profile ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Clown in this case you

                        you don’t have any imagination either - as an ass you repeat other people's theses ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        What did the university answer you?

                        how stupid you are ... hi
                      37. 0
                        8 February 2019 18: 06
                        Quote: ser56
                        how stupid you are ...

                        You tried to demonstrate your cleverness here, but it turned out that besides referring to GOST almost forty years ago, your imagination did not advance. You are afraid to put even a link to your work in the field of thermoelectric generators on display, but you famously criticize other authors for their supposedly incorrect terminology - however, this is a common trick of all losers when they cannot object in essence.
                      38. 0
                        8 February 2019 18: 28
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Roma how to refer to GOST almost forty years ago

                        1) you are really a clown, GOST or valid or not ... bully
                        2) I note that the GOST I have quoted is exactly on the topic ... you deign only to shake this branch with miasma, instead of bringing serious arguments ... hi textbooks, websites and other murzilians give out only your illiteracy ... request
                        Quote: ccsr
                        afraid to put on display

                        1) not at all - I just don’t want to shine myself ... I'm here under a nickname, incognito, but like you ... feel
                        2) "Are you afraid" - this is just another proverb, a teenager crawls out of you, fell into childhood? bully
                        are you too lazy to litter the branch with your complexes? I'm tired of ... good luck finding GOST for semiconductor thermocouples ... well, or at least TU ... laughing
                      39. 0
                        8 February 2019 19: 26
                        Quote: ser56
                        Are you really a clown, GOST or not or not ...

                        Well, the Soviet GOSTs do not, for example, define a wireless charger for a mobile phone, but it exists and is used in everyday life. And now what, to deny its existence? Try it, "expert" ...

                        Quote: ser56
                        textbooks, websites and other murzilians give out only your illiteracy ...

                        From you, except verbiage, there is Nothing at all that could be discussed.

                        Quote: ser56
                        not at all - I just don’t want to shine myself ... I'm here under a nickname, incognito, but like you ...

                        I don’t know about you, and some authors who write here, and in other forums, know my nickname - I don’t change it.
                        Quote: ser56
                        I'm tired of ... good luck finding GOST for semiconductor thermocouples ... well, or at least TU ...

                        Do you seriously believe that for the sake of your attempts you will get out, I will dig the earth and look for materials unknown to you?
                        Say thank you that I brought you at least a couple of "murziloks" for enlightenment, otherwise you would be so dense and would remain in the field of semiconductor thermocouples and their use. From you, by the way, there is NOTHING at all, except for references to DEFINITIONS in GOST forty years ago, and even then it is not a fact that other definitions are not used in modern technical documentation.
                        By the way, I understood from Shostakovsky’s work that when describing the work of semiconductor thermocouples you confused the Thomson effect with the Seebeck effect, so learn and hang noodles for someone else.
                      40. 0
                        9 February 2019 15: 24
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Well, not in Soviet GOSTs

                        Do we discuss charging devices? all run to the sides? bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        and my nickname is known

                        that's it - nickname, I'm waiting for the name ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        that for the sake of your attempts to get out, I will dig the earth and look for materials unknown to you?

                        Why do I need to get out? I gave GOST, in which everything is written in black and white, and then you sparkled with ranks, now with acquaintances, then Murzilki quoted ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        except for references to DEFINITIONS in GOST forty years ago

                        1) GOST is an argument, and your murders are just for you ... crying
                        2) I repeat, GOST is valid and does not deteriorate from the deadline, and you are an illiterate clown ... hi
                        Quote: ccsr
                        thermocouples you confused the Thomson effect with the Seebeck effect

                        you even get bored of flogging - still on the branch ...
                        I wrote on January 30th:
                        Quote: ser56
                        So a thermoelectric converter is not equal to a thermocouple, but the Seebeck effect is not the same as a Peltier or Thompson ..

                        conclusion - you are a petty liar ... hi
                      41. 0
                        9 February 2019 18: 43
                        Quote: ser56
                        Do we discuss charging devices?

                        You kind of said goodbye? Or itches below the back?
                        Quote: ser56
                        I repeat, GOST is valid and does not deteriorate from the deadline, and you are an illiterate clown ...

                        You are lying - GOSTs periodically change or new ones are accepted.
                        Quote: ser56
                        conclusion - you are a petty liar ...

                        Your conclusion is wrong - you forgot to add an assistant professor (or professor - which is more accurate) from a technical university, the author of the article and the editor of a scientific and technical journal. Correct your conclusion, and at the same time imagine at least something proving that the term "semiconductor thermocouple" cannot be used to describe thermoelectric generators. Until then, you will look like a pathetic verbiage.
                      42. 0
                        11 February 2019 16: 30
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You are lying - GOSTs periodically change or new ones are accepted.

                        you are a clown ... the current GOST cited by me ...
                        Quote: ccsr
                        at the same time, imagine at least something proving that the term "semiconductor thermocouple"

                        you are not just stupid, but dumb ... crying i hi physical effects - just find out about them ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You will look like a miserable verbiage.

                        only in the eyes of illiterate clowns like you ...
                      43. 0
                        11 February 2019 18: 51
                        Quote: ser56
                        you are a clown ... the current GOST cited by me ...

                        It does not cover all applications of thermocouples and is mandatory only for devices using the thermoelectric effect for temperature measurements. Learn materiel, kettle.
                      44. 0
                        12 February 2019 12: 34
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Learn materiel, kettle.

                        Hmm, the clown resumed himself a pro ... bully
                      45. 0
                        9 February 2019 19: 01
                        Quote: ser56
                        I gave GOST, in which everything is written in black and white, and then you sparkled with ranks, now with acquaintances, then Murzilki quoted ...

                        You just cheated, because you slipped GOST, which was developed by the State Unitary Enterprise "VNIIM named after D.I. Mendeleev", Subcommittee PK 6 "Standards and Calibration Schemes in the field of temperature, thermophysical and dilatometric measurements " , and which by no means refers to semiconductor thermoelectric generators:
                        2.1 The following terms with corresponding definitions apply in this Standard:
                        thermocouple: Two conductors of dissimilar materials connected at one end and forming part of the device, using thermoelectric effect for temperature measurements;

                        Where is it written about generating electric energy or getting cold?
                        And are you still trying to prove to me that you understand something in GOST?
                      46. 0
                        11 February 2019 16: 33
                        Quote: ccsr
                        and which by no means refers to semiconductor thermoelectric generators:

                        Naturally, because there are no semiconductor thermocouples ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You just cheated because you slipped GOST

                        I brought a technical argument, but brought a clown ... hi
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Where is it written about generating electric energy or getting cold?

                        what an illiterate clown you are ... bully I'm tired of repeating banalities to you ... good luck, clown ... hi
                      47. 0
                        11 February 2019 18: 47
                        Quote: ser56
                        because there are no semiconductor thermocouples ..

                        Did you report this to the technical university and to the editor of the journal? Convince them to start that they are clowns. Good luck to you.
                      48. 0
                        12 February 2019 12: 36
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Convince them to start that they are clowns. Good luck to you.

                        I will certainly do it upon occasion! bully This is for you an assistant professor, for me - not at all ... request
                      49. 0
                        12 February 2019 14: 16
                        Quote: ser56
                        I will certainly do it upon occasion!

                        You won’t do anything, because they’ll just laugh at you, and you know that.
                        Quote: ser56
                        This is for you an assistant professor, for me - not at all ...

                        An assistant professor may also have written, but at least a professor, or even a vice-rector, did a review.
                        However, this does not matter - they will send you to a known address.
                      50. 0
                        12 February 2019 15: 17
                        Quote: ccsr
                        why don’t you do it, because they’ll just laugh at you, and you know that.

                        you don’t need to transfer your complexes to others .... request
                        Quote: ccsr
                        but at least a professor, or even a vice-rector, did the review.

                        how stupid you are and not in the subject ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        However, this does not matter - they will send you to a known address.

                        not at all! at least I personally know the TUSUR rector ... feel
                      51. 0
                        12 February 2019 15: 21
                        Quote: ser56
                        at least I personally know the TUSUR rector ...

                        Do you cut him regularly? So ask him to correct mistakes in the work of his employees.
                      52. 0
                        12 February 2019 15: 26
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Do you cut him regularly?

                        fi, you are a banal plagiarist ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        So ask him to correct mistakes in the work of his employees.

                        why am I going to ask, I will fast in case, he will figure it out ... feel
                      53. 0
                        12 February 2019 15: 59
                        Quote: ser56
                        fi, you are a banal plagiarist ...

                        You are a banal verbiage, and moreover, not a single fact that the term "semiconductor thermocouple" can be used in technical literature has not yet been cited. So, blowing bubbles ...
                      54. 0
                        12 February 2019 16: 06
                        Quote: ccsr
                        not a single fact that the term "semiconductor thermocouple" can be used in technical literature has not yet been cited

                        1) I gave GOST, which describes what is meant by a thermocouple.
                        2) in response, you refer to murzilka and require me to prove my stupidity ... bully
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You are banal verbiage,

                        I caught you a couple of times in a direct lie, you remained silent and wiped yourself ... bully
                        Further, I am too lazy to communicate with you, so I stop ...
                        continue alone and let it warm you with the thought that the Seebeck effect is possible only in degenerate semiconductors ... request
                      55. 0
                        12 February 2019 16: 21
                        Quote: ser56
                        Further, I am too lazy to communicate with you, so I stop ...

                        Already five times have been sworn - you still can’t say goodbye.
                        Quote: ser56
                        continue alone and let it warm you with the thought that the Seebeck effect is possible only in degenerate semiconductors ...

                        You are a complete layman in the implementation of technical devices using semiconductor thermocouples, because in them, in addition to the thermocouples themselves, you could use short-term chemical thermoelements, but you did not know this, which is why you refer to GOST, which did not provide definitions for such a situation. You can continue to puff your cheeks, your level of "theoretician" did not impress me, such as you did not trust serious R&D, only sometimes threw R&D for food, and even then if they deserved it. Continue to say goodbye once again ...
                        PS Using emoticons best speaks of your mental abilities.
                      56. 0
                        12 February 2019 17: 36
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Using emoticons best speaks of your mental abilities.

                        bully crying hi
  3. 0
    28 January 2019 09: 23
    Dynamic reactors combined with a turbine and generator can use not only high-potential enriched radioactive materials, but also low-radioactive and non-radioactive ones. Such reactors can start and stop as simple devices and with a short booster cycle.
    1. 0
      29 January 2019 01: 56
      Quote: gridasov
      Such reactors can start and stop as simple devices and with a short booster cycle.

      According to the article, the output at rated power should be carried out in three days. Even a conventional VVER-1000 reactor is brought to full power in less than a day, for those. regulations and in compliance with ABY. That stop depends on the time that the reactor core worked on power. A week on fresh nuclear fuel - no problem, a year - already the number of fragments will be large, from which we get a large residual energy release. Dead end, however.
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 09: 40
        An impasse from the general methodology to solve a particular problem. Scientists think with old stereotypes. You do not solve the problem by changing the sequences of stages or process algorithms. Then there will be no residual derivatives of the process of extracting potential energy from materials. I have already said many times that the radial vector of the momentum of radioactive disturbances in a digamtic reactor is converted to a linear one, which means that the density of magnetic fluxes increases and radioactivity grows. Well, think what will happen next. Think process.
        1. +1
          29 January 2019 10: 01
          Quote: gridasov
          Scientists think with old stereotypes.

          Quote: gridasov
          Think procedurally.

          Which of you will be - those who think in stereotypes or those who think in process?
          1. 0
            29 January 2019 11: 41
            Obviously, you don’t understand this anymore. Solve specific questions if you are thinking about solving problems and the Homeland.
            1. +2
              29 January 2019 12: 30
              Quote: gridasov
              Obviously, you don’t understand this anymore

              do you want to create new nuclear physics? bully
              Quote: gridasov
              Solve specific issues if you think about solving problems and the homeland.

              What pathos ... by the way, do you know the values ​​of the neutron cross sections for uranium isotopes, even thermal ones? feel
              1. -1
                29 January 2019 14: 27
                Nuclear physics built on distorted ideas about the structure of energy interactions, namely on the structure of the nucleus and material particles, is something. Why not imagine any interactions through the magnetic force flows and the changing density of these flows. Then the pulses of any level can be calculated comprehensively in the form of a measurement of dimensions, direction vectors of the development of processes, as well as at each point of the analyzed local space to know the potential level of this relative position and states. In general, when they talk about the Boson, and then another 120 of the same level states of the so-called particles are proved, this is already called the collapse of the theory.
                1. 0
                  29 January 2019 15: 09
                  if not a secret, do you know that Maxwell created the theory of electromagnetic interactions back in the 19th century? bully
                2. -1
                  29 January 2019 19: 32
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Nuclear physics built on distorted ideas about the structure of energy interactions

                  But even at these distorted views, modern nuclear power plants were created, as well as mobile power plants using RTGs.
                  It remains unclear how this was possible to implement on distorted ideas?
                  1. 0
                    29 January 2019 20: 38
                    And you created the technology that came to a logical dead end. These are achievements for you, not technological excellence
                    1. -1
                      29 January 2019 21: 08
                      Quote: gridasov
                      And you created the technology that came to a logical dead end.

                      Nuclear power is now thriving in Russia - you have apparently confused the impasse and progress.
                      Quote: gridasov
                      not technological excellence

                      The pursuit of technological excellence is a natural process and, moreover, endless. It is a pity that you did not notice this, although you tried to show your intelligence.
            2. -1
              29 January 2019 19: 29
              Quote: gridasov

              Obviously, you don’t understand this anymore

              I will not deny that I really do not understand much, including how people with little knowledge easily discuss technical issues without understanding them at all.
              1. -2
                30 January 2019 17: 57
                Ninety-nine percent of people related to the scientific activity of UMNs because they understand that they cannot cope with the overgrown machine that created stereotypes, and the whole complex of interactions. She will crush and destroy anyone who does not comply with her rules and principles. And the vast majority, even if they have their own opinion, will be silent and do it right. But! There is always someone who does not give a damn about your laws and etiquette. The main thing is to know the truth. He just does not know your rules and even your language that you’ll break your tongue, but there’s no sense in the words more than in simple terms. And nothing will break such people. Because he lives not for your salaries and not for the sake of your prizes. Although I wouldn’t refuse. God doesn’t give money to such people because they would secretly destroy all the foundations of the algorithmic development of society by their inventions
                1. 0
                  31 January 2019 13: 02
                  Quote: gridasov
                  The main thing for him to know the truth

                  Fathers and children, the unforgettable Bazarov ... bully
                  Quote: gridasov
                  algorithmic development of society

                  But can you find out the algorithm for the development of society? hi
        2. +4
          29 January 2019 12: 34
          Quote: gridasov
          You do not solve the problem by changing the sequences of stages or process algorithms.

          nonsense of a schoolboy ... bully
          Quote: gridasov
          the radial momentum vector of radioactive disturbances in a digam reactor is converted to a linear one,

          what a clowning, just Lord ... bully if not a secret - what is radioactive disturbance? bully
          Quote: gridasov
          which means that there is an increase in the density of magnetic fluxes and radioactivity is growing.

          those. Does your magnetic field affect nuclear fission? request Or do you know another source of radioactivity? It looks like you will soon receive either the Nobel Prize in Physics, but rather a deuce in the Unified State Exam ... bully
          1. 0
            29 January 2019 14: 18
            That is why you carry nuclear boilers on your back. that you have kernels, not magnetic force flows with a set of parameters.
            1. 0
              29 January 2019 14: 35
              We are not talking about a source of radioactivity, but a method of extracting potential energy at the level of nuclear interactions.
              1. 0
                29 January 2019 15: 11
                Hmm, some sort of moron sect ... bully if banter, then stupid ... feel
                1. 0
                  29 January 2019 20: 42
                  This is not a banter or a sect. This is a purely human problem. You believe that everyone knows and imagines himself the devil knows what. This has led you to a standstill. In the end, with people like you, the war is already lost.
                  1. 0
                    30 January 2019 11: 28
                    1) I know far from everything, but I know something in nuclear physics bully
                    2) with people like me, the Russian Federation has quite reasonable weapons that make aggression against our country extremely dangerous ... feel
                    3) so too lazy to teach physics? easier to fool around with pseudoscientific words? bully
                    1. 0
                      30 January 2019 11: 53
                      You should admit that I do not speak your language. And it is very difficult for me to adapt many concepts and expressions to yours. But you apparently are not at home. The physics of high-potential physical processes cannot be described by formulas and equations. Obviously, you don’t understand the principles of the mathematical description of processes of such super-large info data that cannot be formulated as such or defined within the framework of the mathematics that you use. Therefore, I may, but the techniques that I position allow me to draw conclusions that you would not like
                      1. 0
                        30 January 2019 11: 57
                        1) again the pseudo-scientific clowning ... bully
                        2) I know high energy physics, I know high energy densities,
                        Quote: gridasov
                        Physics of high potential physical processes
                        - I do not know... bully
                        3)
                        Quote: gridasov
                        which cannot be formulated as such, nor defined within the framework of the mathematics that you use
                        Yes, I reasonably believe that your knowledge of mathematics is limited to the section of arithmetic, and the initial ... request
                        4)
                        Quote: gridasov
                        I draw conclusions that you would not like
                        the clown’s conclusions on physics are of little interest to anyone, this is not politics ... bully
                      2. 0
                        30 January 2019 12: 08
                        Then what determines high-energy physics if not the density of magnetic force fluxes. You generally have the concept of energy, what we are talking about? We have nothing to talk about. Preach like a parrot that you were hollowed out and be happy. You are not even able to think on your own
                      3. 0
                        30 January 2019 12: 36
                        1) particle energy determines high-energy physics ... request
                        2) the ability to think arises after studying the elementary laws of nature, before that they are engaged in demagogy and verbiage ... bully
                      4. 0
                        30 January 2019 16: 50
                        so what is this energy? are you raising a kindergarten? do you generally understand what energy is, its parameters of the dimension of interactions, directional vectors, transformation processes.
                      5. 0
                        31 January 2019 12: 54
                        Quote: gridasov
                        so what is this energy?

                        Measured? in MeV, GeV ... contained? in bulk ... bully
                        Quote: gridasov
                        Are you raising a kindergarten?

                        the student again suffered in pseudoscientific rhetoric ... request
                    2. -1
                      30 January 2019 12: 23
                      Quote: ser56
                      easier to fool around with pseudoscientific words?

                      I think he’s just kidding. Or he really imagined something, deciding that he would be considered a specialist here, but a bummer came out.
                      1. 0
                        30 January 2019 16: 51
                        Well, let’s flash your mind, if so swagger
                      2. 0
                        30 January 2019 16: 54
                        Besides, I’m not an expert in your company or your technology. I’m talking about what is optimal, efficient and opens up a real development perspective. You don’t see beyond your nose. It’s hard to imagine what will happen to your technology in a year, two, ten years. Are you going to space on these boilers? You are ridiculous and naive, but I'm stupid that I spend time on mediocrity.
                      3. -1
                        30 January 2019 20: 07
                        Quote: gridasov
                        . I say that it is optimal, efficient and opens up a real development perspective

                        They have been waiting for you in Stockholm for a long time - they want to present the Nobel Prize. We will only support you.
                      4. 0
                        31 January 2019 12: 55
                        he is expected in the spring at the passing of the exam ... bully
                      5. -1
                        30 January 2019 20: 06
                        Quote: gridasov
                        Well, let’s flash your mind, if so swagger

                        For you? Do not make me laugh...
  4. +5
    28 January 2019 10: 23
    Author:
    Ya. Vyatkin, especially for "Military Review"
    It should be noted that the decision of the Americans to deal with this issue was influenced by the fact that such a mobile nuclear power plant would soon enter the arsenal of the Russian Armed Forces. After about 2-3 years, a prototype of a land-based mobile nuclear power plant for the RF Armed Forces, primarily intended for Siberia and the Far North, should be ready. And by 2023. OCD can be completed, unless, of course, the dates are also shifted. But, unlike the Americans, we don’t want a transportable circuit and trailers.

    It’s complete nonsense because container-type mobile nuclear power plants were developed in the United States as far back as the 70-80s of the last century and were in service. And they were transported by trailers, just as it is now offered at the preliminary design stage. So there is nothing new for the Americans in this matter - they simply returned to the old development.
    The author is clearly not aware of the history of this issue, which is why he decided that we are the first in this regard, although this is not at all the case.
    Now a new stage in the development of small nuclear energy has simply begun, which is primarily associated with the development of the polar and other hard-to-reach areas, and naturally the interest of the US Army in them is quite justified.
    1. +4
      28 January 2019 18: 02
      Especially for Vyatkin, I’ll add a little to the previous comment. The program was called the Army Nuclear Power Program (ANPP), which began in 1954 and ended in 1979.

      Mobile nuclear power plant ML-1 in trials. Idaho State, 1961.
      1. +3
        28 January 2019 18: 11

        This is loading the PM-1. This power station provided power to the US Air Force Sundance radar station in Wyoming from 1962 to 1968.
        1. +3
          28 January 2019 18: 19

          Soviet "Pamir 630D". 1985 year.
          1. +4
            28 January 2019 18: 27

            TES-3 is a transportable nuclear power plant transported on four self-propelled caterpillar chassis based on the T-10 heavy tank. It entered into trial operation in 1961.
      2. +1
        28 January 2019 21: 16
        Quote: Decimam
        Mobile nuclear power plant ML-1 in trials. Idaho State, 1961.

        I saw a photograph of a later model - just the one that was adopted. It was slightly different from what is shown in this photo, but the mass-dimensional characteristics were the same, but the tractor was different.
        1. +2
          28 January 2019 23: 29

          There are not so many photos of this power station. She was not accepted into service. It was too revolutionary a model for that time.
          1. -1
            29 January 2019 09: 53
            Quote: Decimam
            There are not so many photos of this power station. She was not accepted into service. It was too revolutionary a model for that time.

            I saw a photograph of the one that was adopted just in the late 70s - early 80s. It was suitable for field use.
    2. 0
      29 January 2019 11: 43
      What a new stage of development. What do you see new? Do not blur your eyes еб
      1. -1
        29 January 2019 19: 17
        Quote: gridasov

        What a new stage of development. What do you see new? Do not blur your eyes еб

        Well, for example, the use of new fuel cells, or new thermal energy converters, which could have appeared more than twenty years from the beginning of the first developments. By the way, the dimensions of what I saw in the eighties were, in my opinion, slightly smaller than in the photos shown here.
        1. 0
          30 January 2019 12: 03
          It should be understood that, within the energy level of our planet’s existence, and in this case, there are no and cannot exist materials with such an energy density hidden in the structure of nuclear interactions of its generators that would dissipate this potential energy and not transform into a lower potential one. And therefore it makes no sense to rely on new energy materials. It is necessary that? It is necessary to be able to create such potential energy and such a process that at the next moment of this process would be realized in the converted energy of the angular momentum of the rotor rotation momentum. Modern techniques consist in the differentiation of various processes, and not in their synthesis. Therefore, it is obvious that there are no new breakthrough technologies and cannot be based on the old methods of organizing the processes themselves.
          1. -1
            30 January 2019 12: 15
            Quote: gridasov
            You need to be able to create such potential energy.

            What keeps you from this creature?
            The Nobel Prize is waiting for you for a long time ...
  5. -3
    28 January 2019 11: 40
    Liquid metal YSU "Poseidon" and "Burevestnik" - a ready-made mobile nuclear power plant.
    1. 0
      28 January 2019 22: 27
      There seems to be a period of work - a week.
      1. +1
        28 January 2019 23: 53
        At Poseidon, YSU operates on plutonium, so its time resource can reach in the minimum case - several years, in the maximum case - tens of years.
    2. 0
      29 January 2019 12: 09
      Keep looking for a panacea for all occasions. But this does not happen. An effective process is needed. It is not only that it is primitive in that it heats the coolant, which then needs to be converted, but also carries a lot of problems. There are a lot of garbage stages that can be passed as an element in one process.
  6. BAI
    0
    28 January 2019 17: 48
    1.
    As a result, requirements were born to ensure the possibility of conducting combat operations by a brigade combat group for a week without supplies. Obviously, nuclear power plants come from them too.
    And if a shell gets into it?
    2.
    such a mobile nuclear power plant will soon go into service with the Russian Armed Forces. After about 2-3 years, a prototype of a land-based mobile nuclear power plant for the RF Armed Forces, primarily intended for Siberia and the Far North, should be ready. And by 2023. OCD can be completed,

    And we had them (and maybe have). It is for the regions of the Far North. In the mid-70s, I saw a model of this nuclear power plant at the Polytechnic Museum. The unit was tracked.
  7. 0
    28 January 2019 18: 38
    This is all yesterday. Fuelless generators are now in charge, and Russia is still ahead in this area. The only pity is that the specific power is still lagging behind the classic plants, in order to replace one diesel generator, the installation needs to be 8-10 times heavier.
    1. 0
      29 January 2019 12: 15
      In general, the concept of fuelless is very naive. There is a cycle of formation of one density of state in another. In this case, energy can be absorbed or released as a derivative. The very concept of energy is a dynamic process. Energy is between two or many states. Therefore, there is no fuel-free energy. There is a source of transformation and an algorithm for the process of converting one relative state into another. This is not to say about the complex of some states into an interacting complex of other states, etc. .Because mathematicians do not use the function of a constant value of a number, and therefore are not able to manipulate mathematical complex processes.
  8. 0
    29 January 2019 08: 13
    Quote: tots
    The Chernobyl nuclear power plant was not fired from mortars and the suicide bomber didn’t burst into it
    Similar mini-nuclear power plants will be the primary targets when attacking US bases

    And this is the headache of the "base director". bully
  9. +1
    April 15 2019 05: 30
    Well, we have a "production" need: there are a lot of undeveloped lands in Siberia and the North, and the United States is trying to go where.

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