How violated the INF Treaty

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In 1987, the USSR and the USA signed the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles, which determined the rejection of a number of weapons. Two countries in the shortest time complied with the requirements of the Treaty in terms of destruction weapons, and for a time almost forgot about it. However, in recent years, Washington and Moscow began to regularly exchange accusations of violation of the Treaty. Moreover, the United States intends to withdraw from the Treaty in the near future, explaining that by violations on the part of Russia.

It should be noted that the discussion of alleged violations began long before official statements by the President of the United States, Donald Trump, about withdrawing from the Treaty. A few years ago, the American side accused the Russian authorities of creating promising types of weapons, contrary to the conditions of the INF. Moscow denied these accusations, and soon made counterclaims to Washington. Recall what the two countries blamed each other for and how they rejected such suspicions.



USA vs Russia

Present story with regular mutual accusations and excuses began about ten years ago. At the end of the last decade, representatives of the American leadership began to mention some violations of the INF Treaty by Russia. At the same time, for a long time they spoke only about the fact of the existence of violations, without going into details. Specific information about the types of products, projects or tests that are contrary to the Treaty was not called at first.


Launch of the Iskander 9М728 cruise missile. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


Russia reacted to such accusations in an obvious way. Claims from “unofficial” sources were simply ignored, and statements by representatives of the American state received a harsh response. Moscow argued that it does not create or test any systems that violate the INF. In addition, there was a lack of specific data - this was interpreted as a lack of evidence of violations.

In 2013, first in the press, and then in open official documents, specific names appeared. With reference to sources in intelligence structures, the American press wrote about the beginning of tests of the Rubezh ballistic missile RS-26. The media learned that the launches of such missiles are carried out at the Kapustin Yar proving ground, and training targets are located at the Sary-Shagan proving ground. The length of such a route is within the limits of the Treaty. This fact was considered a violation.

Press information interested American politicians. In the autumn of the same year, a group of senators appealed to the State Department and demanded to respond to the alleged violations of the INF. The accusations were again voiced, and this time, unlike the previous ones, the names and indices of the products were present in them.

The Russian side responded to these events in an interesting way. It soon became known that the PC-26 rocket has a range of more than 5500 km and can be considered intercontinental. Thus, it does not belong to the class of medium-range missiles, and therefore does not violate the INF Treaty. In the future, the theme of the Rubezh missile was repeatedly raised at the highest level, but, in general, did not have much impact on the political situation. In March, the 2018 of the PC-26 product in general ceased to be a cause for criticism. Russian media have learned that the project "Frontier" is excluded from the new state armament program for 2018-27 years. Thus, the United States lost one of its arguments against Russia.


The first public demonstration of the "controversial" 9М729 rocket. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


In the middle of 2014, for the first time, charges of violating the INF have been heard at the highest level. US President Barack Obama sent a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin stating violations alleged in the past. It was alleged that US intelligence was able to find out about the testing of some ground-based cruise missile with a range of more than 500 km. Later it became known that we are talking about the product with the index 9М729.

The product 9М729 became the formal reason for the collection of the Special Control Commission of the INF Treaty in 2016, and later turned out to be the main argument from the United States. The main accusations against Russia are connected with 2014 of the year and so far with the 9М729 rocket. On the basis of such accusations, the United States is now building its position, and in accordance with the latter are making plans for the future. Last fall, the American leadership, while continuing to insist on its accusations, announced its intention to withdraw from the Treaty. In the future, Washington urged Moscow to abandon the 9М729 missiles or to provide full information about these weapons.

On January 23, the Russian Ministry of Defense responded in detail to the allegations related to the 9М729 rocket. During the special briefing, representatives of the military department told about the origin of this product, identified its differences and named the main characteristics. It was emphasized that such a briefing and demonstration of a real rocket are an example of particular transparency that exceeds the requirements of the INF.

According to Russian data, the 9М729 is a modernized version of the existing 9М728 cruise missile of the Iskander complex and is distinguished by its onboard equipment. Due to the renewal of the design, the rocket became longer, and the flight range was reduced to 480 km. For the new missile had to develop an upgraded launcher. It is distinguished from the base Iskander machine by the ability to transport twice the ammunition and carries four missiles at once.


The design and characteristics of the 9М728 and 9М729 cruise missiles. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


The Defense Ministry briefing was attended by representatives of many countries, but the United States and its main allies showed no interest in this event. Later, the American embassy called the briefing "another attempt to hide the violation." Apparently, Washington does not intend to listen to the Russian arguments and is going to further advance its position. How events will develop around the rocket 9М729 - will be known in the coming days.

Russia vs USA

From the very beginning, Russia took a tough stance and began to reject all accusations from the United States, and this was not too difficult due to the weakness of the American position. Soon Moscow "went on the offensive" and began to make counterclaims. Indeed, there are quite a few facts in the activities of the United States that may look like violations of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles. Such arguments are still being used, and Washington is in no hurry to confess to its violations.

Russia's main complaint is about missile defense deployments in Eastern Europe. In Romania and Poland, Aegis Ashore missile defense complexes have already been built and put on duty. It is planned to modernize these complexes, as well as to deploy new similar facilities near the Russian borders. The Aegis Eshor complex includes a surveillance and guidance radar, a combat information and control system, and a Mk 41 universal launcher. All of these components were borrowed from existing US Navy surface ships.

According to official data, Aegis Ashore launchers can only use SM-2 and SM-3 anti-aircraft missiles. Other ship armaments, allegedly, cannot be used on land Mk 41 due to the lack of some devices and software. Nevertheless, Russia doubts the veracity of official information. Even before the new complexes were put on duty, Moscow said that deployable launchers could use BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles. This weapon has a range of more than 1000 km, and therefore its placement on land installations contradicts the INF range. Thus, during the construction of missile defense ground systems, the US side secretly violated the Treaty.


Missile defense complex Aegis Ahsore at the Romanian air base Deveselu. Photos News.usni.org


Official Washington is expected to reject this accusation. It is argued that in the development of the land version of the ship complex, measures were taken to preclude the use of cruise missiles. The two countries are still exchanging statements in the context of using Aegis Ashore as a shock tool, but have not yet reached a common opinion. Russia continues to blame, and the United States once again denies its guilt.

In 2013, another start to criticize the actions of the United States was the launch of the AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise air-launched missile test. This product is intended for use by strike aircraft and shows a range of slightly less than 1000 km. The first tests of the missiles were carried out without the use of aircraft: the products were launched from a ground-based launcher. This fact became a reason for criticism in the context of the INF Treaty. However, Washington denied the charges and pointed out the nature of the project. Despite tests using ground systems, the JASSM-ER rocket is still intended for combat aircraft.

For some time now, statements by Russian officials have cited foreign unmanned aerial vehicles as a possible violation of the INF Treaty. The United States has many types of such equipment in service, and some of these vehicles are capable of carrying weapons for striking ground targets. In terms of their flight performance, UAVs of medium and heavy class are similar to modern cruise missiles. In addition, with the help of guided bombs or missiles, they can strike at ground targets. A number of American drones has a range of more than 500 km.


BGM-109G Gryphon missile system with a Tomahawk missile. Decommissioned in accordance with the INF. Photo US Army


Thus, formally not being land-based cruise missiles, modern UAVs can solve similar combat missions. At the same time, the drone, unlike a rocket, is capable of making far more than one sortie. In the INF Treaty, unmanned aerial vehicles were not mentioned, and it in no way limits their development. Nevertheless, such a technique is to a certain extent similar to the products, the creation and operation of which are prohibited. This allows the Russian side to make transparent hints and talk about the violation of the spirit of the Treaty in the formal observance of its conditions.

US denies trial allegations aviation rockets on the ground and the production of unmanned aerial vehicles. There is a curious reaction here. Foreign experts note that such events indicate the weaknesses of the INF Treaty. This agreement was drawn up three decades ago, taking into account existing technologies and weapons. It was actually written for specific types of weapons and almost did not take into account the progress of future years. The ban on medium and short-range missiles, as well as the need to develop other areas, leads to the observed consequences. The parties to the Treaty find various loopholes through which they can accuse the opponent of violations.

United States v. Treaty

A few days ago, the leadership of the United States announced its plans for the near future in the context of the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Small-Range Missiles. Since Russia does not want to recognize or eliminate its "violations", Washington will unilaterally withdraw from the agreement. The exit process starts on February 2 and will take about six months. As a result, the United States will remove all obligations under the Treaty, which, among other things, will allow them to develop and put into service new missile systems.


Aircraft missile AGM-158 JASSM - one of the reasons for criticism in the direction of the United States. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Apparently, the INF Treaty is doomed, and no action by the parties will save it. For many years, Russia and the United States have been exchanging accusations, as well as rejecting other people's statements. In other circumstances, the result of all this would be the rejection of the charges and the normalization of relations. However, Washington does not intend to stop the confrontation on the issue of the Treaty. Moreover, the United States seems to have long ago decided on its position and is willing to withdraw from the agreement "under a specious excuse."

In general, the current situation around the INF Treaty develops exclusively in the field of politics and almost does not affect the military-technical sphere. The various types of missile weapons and other systems mentioned in the context of the Treaty were, in essence, a reason for criticism in order to solve pressing political problems. Moreover, in the distant past, the charges did without even specifying specific samples. This explains the fact that the publication of data on various weapons did not affect the position of the second side. A vivid example of this could be observed the other day, when the US ignored the briefing on the 9М729 rocket and the data read on it.

The United States and Russia continue to accuse each other of violating the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Small-Range Missiles, while simultaneously rejecting the claims of the other side. At the same time, everything suggests that both countries tried to abide by the agreement or, at a minimum, create the appearance of it. However, in the current situation, official Washington does not consider it necessary for the INF Treaty, and therefore has a policy aimed at getting out of it. By the end of the year, the United States is going to finally withdraw from the Treaty, which, among other things, will allow them to create new models of weapons and equipment. And here political issues will again give way to events in the military-technical sphere. How these processes will affect the relations of the two countries and the international situation as a whole is a big question.

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  1. -6
    25 January 2019 06: 04
    US ignored briefing on 9M729 rocket and data announced on it

    They didn’t show anything special at the briefing, the container and the pictures. If a missile has increased by half a meter and suddenly because of this it has lost its range, it really does not violate the contract, then why not show it naturally in the context, replacing the secret equipment with a fake.
    1. +4
      25 January 2019 07: 02
      Quote: Puncher
      why not show it naturally in the context, replacing the secret equipment with a dummy.

      Maybe escho and dance?
      1. -3
        25 January 2019 07: 11
        Quote: zyzx
        Maybe escho and dance?

        Wouldn't you be interested in seeing "what's inside her"?
        1. 0
          26 January 2019 03: 03
          But in the pictures, after all, it is still shown. At least you can judge the layout by them.
    2. -1
      25 January 2019 07: 11
      It also seemed strange to me.
      As an example, boat missiles.
      "The maximum range of sixteen R-27 missiles in service with the 667A project was 2500 kilometers. R-667 missiles with a maximum range of 7800 kilometers. New rocket was 40% longer the predecessor of the P-27, had a 20% larger diameter and twice the launch mass. "
      1. 0
        25 January 2019 13: 35
        Quote: Alex-333
        It also seemed strange to me.
        As an example, boat missiles.
        "The maximum range of sixteen R-27 missiles in service with the 667A project was 2500 kilometers. R-667 missiles with a maximum range of 7800 kilometers. New rocket was 40% longer the predecessor of the P-27, had a 20% larger diameter and twice the launch mass. "



        Compare R-27 and R-29 - like a Cossack with a Mercedes :)
        The r-29 and the density of the layout is unique, recessed engines in the fuel tanks - a minimum of useless space. And waffle shells by another technology - advanced technologies are applied there - The mask of 20 years can grow to this level of technology ...


        The doubly large mass of SLBMs does not mean anything - the weight of the payload and the distance to the launch mass are trinity of interrelated parameters.
        1. -2
          25 January 2019 13: 47
          Change of concepts?
          My question is, If the lengths are changed, then this should lead to a change in range, why is it not so?
          If in doubt, do not need to arrange a show, but sit down the pros and consider the documentation and the prepared sample.
          So as not to repeat.
          1. +5
            25 January 2019 13: 54
            Quote: Alex-333
            Change of concepts?
            My question is, If the lengths are changed, then this should lead to a change in range, why is it not so?
            If in doubt, do not need to arrange a show, but sit down the pros and consider the documentation and the prepared sample.
            So as not to repeat.


            There is a clear understanding - at what mass of the payload, the rocket flies to a certain range, we reduce the load, the range grows and vice versa.

            This is a matter of trust - can a cruise missile fly at a great distance? If this was noted by means of objective control during testing, it is possible.
            Can I reduce the range?
            - Of course, do not refuel for a long range in the factory, to increase the weight of warheads.
            But once the Americans rested, they simply found a reason not to follow further the INF Treaty, dumping responsibility on the Russian Federation.

            Sneakily, but in their own interests.

            It’s ridiculous to determine the long / volume range of a rocket.
            Range, this is the ratio of the payload to the starting weight from the layout, you can squeeze + 10% maximum to range.
            Those. if the Defense Ministry assures that the length of the missile has increased, but at the same time the mass of the missile has increased, then the range falls within the framework of the INF Treaty - this is not a violation.

            Since it is possible to reduce the weight of the PN 9m728 and get a range of more than 500 km.
            Again, this is only a matter of trust.
            Everything is obvious - Americans need a formal reason to withdraw from the treaty.
            1. -4
              25 January 2019 15: 07
              So it is. Then there was no need to sign it. But it seems to me, then, the USSR was more interested in it, since it went to reduce more missiles. Perhaps loans were needed and humanitarian aid. I don’t remember, we have already entered coupons, or not by then? But what were the problems with vodka, that's for sure)))
              1. 0
                28 January 2019 11: 39
                Quote: Alex-333
                So it is. Then there was no need to sign it.

                Here is a hack to Gorbachev and ask this question - why.
                1. -4
                  28 January 2019 12: 48
                  Gorbachev had Akhromeev and a whole wagon of advisers-generals, hundreds of research institutes. What can a former combiner understand in rockets? What they advised, then signed.
                  1. +1
                    28 January 2019 12: 55
                    "Oku", which did not fall under the terms of the contract, also Akhromeev advised him to cut it? Or is it just that this reptile herself decided to curry favor with Thatcher once again?
                    1. -4
                      28 January 2019 13: 11
                      I was not present at the negotiations. Although I do not exclude that "Oka" was destroyed out of a desire to sign an agreement. The threat of an instant strike was removed from Moscow. Moreover, the Pioneer had almost 20 times more KVO than Pershing-2, 500 and 30 meters. And that then, without any G.P.E.s. For that time, it was just an ideal scalpel, a value still unattainable for Russian missiles.

                      And Putin is precisely bringing this threat closer. Especially already (probably) from the territory of the Baltic states, Georgia and Ukraine.
                      So you need to answer MONEY !!! New missiles. Again, pensioners will pay?
      2. +1
        25 January 2019 14: 59
        Quote: Alex-333
        The maximum range of sixteen R-27 missiles, armed with the project 667A, was 2500 kilometers.

        ============
        And WHERE is P-27 ??? This rocket is MARINE-based! And the INF Treaty - suggested the destruction of exclusively ground-based missile systems !!! Sea and air missiles - NOT ANYWHERE TOUCHED !!!
        1. -2
          25 January 2019 15: 03
          Figurative thinking. Logic. If this is this ....
  2. 0
    25 January 2019 06: 22
    We need to behave as if the United States had already left the treaty yesterday — spit on their accusations, and begin to actively create new land-based boshing missiles with a flight range of 600 km or more. ALL! The contract is dead! The security of the country is more important than the lies of the United States.
    1. -2
      25 January 2019 07: 13
      Quote: ANCIENT
      The security of the country is more important than the lies of the United States.

      Against the United States, our promising BMDs are useless. But their possible BRDS is very dangerous.
      1. +5
        25 January 2019 08: 35
        Domestic infantry fighting systems - what the doctor ordered against the European countries of NATO, Japan, South Korea, the Middle East and the Persian Gulf, in whose territory American military bases are located.

        Released domestic ICBMs, SLBMs and strategic missiles will be redirected to North America, Australia and New Zealand.
        1. -1
          25 January 2019 22: 20
          Quote: Operator
          Domestic infantry fighting systems - what the doctor ordered against the European countries of NATO, Japan, South Korea, the Middle East and the Persian Gulf, in whose territory American military bases are located.

          What does it give? You do not understand the danger of the infantry fighting system, this is the time of approach. Having launched a rocket from the Baltic states, it is possible to reliably take out the entire Russian government and military leadership, while the SPRN will not even have time to react.
          And what is the use of our lightning strike on Europe if the US manages to strike back?
          1. -3
            25 January 2019 22: 53
            No one will launch American MRBMs from Europe on the national territory of Russia, since a response in the form of Russian ICBMs, SLBMs and Poseidons on the national territory of the United States will be inevitable - do the Americans need it?

            At the same time, the submarine time of the Poseidons deployed on the border of the US terrorist forces is exactly equal to the flight time of American MRBMs from the Baltic States (suddenly).
        2. +1
          27 January 2019 13: 33
          Quote: Operator
          Released domestic ICBMs, SLBMs will be redirected to Australia and New Zealand

          Not sure what exactly these goals are essential for us to defeat. But I agree that in the event of a mess, all these representatives of the "elites" will settle there with their families.
          1. -1
            27 January 2019 14: 36
            In my text, the bonus also included North America, but not the point.

            As for Australia and New Zealand, options are possible here - either several warheads of one or two ICBMs / SLBMs for everything, or one or two Poseidons to destroy objects in the coastal strip and radioactively contaminate the rest of the territory.

            The habitable territory in Australia and New Zealand is located only on the coast, the central areas are occupied respectively by desert and mountains.
      2. +2
        25 January 2019 11: 43
        Quote: Puncher
        Our promising BRDS is useless.


        The cheapest deterrence weapon., And even with nuclear stuffing (tactical charge is not prescribed in the agreements). The states and now (on sea and air carriers) have huge superiority. So. there’s nothing to lose.
        Worse, what to place, they can in the Baltic states, Romania, Poland, and even in Ukraine and Georgia.
        1. 0
          26 January 2019 01: 04
          The cheapest deterrence weapon., And even with nuclear stuffing (tactical charge is not prescribed in the agreements). The states and now (on sea and air carriers) have huge superiority


          The states have formally 150 bombs, but in reality they do not have a single tactical charge on any medium. France and England too. For comparison: Russia has 2000 tactical warheads on duty and another 6-7 thousand in reserve (at central storage).
      3. 0
        25 January 2019 18: 47
        Quote: Puncher
        Against the United States, our promising BMDs are useless. But their possible BRDS is very dangerous.

        You are wrong, however, as always! And when were you right? I don’t remember.
        Russia can, for example, bomb Germany or Israel with medium-range missiles, and devote all long-range ballistic missiles to the United States.
  3. +2
    25 January 2019 07: 52
    ... and let them be measured with RMSDma ....)))
  4. +2
    25 January 2019 11: 33
    In 2013, first in the press, and then in open official documents, specific names appeared. With reference to sources in intelligence structures, the American press wrote about the beginning of tests of the Rubezh ballistic missile RS-26. The media learned that the launches of such missiles are carried out at the Kapustin Yar proving ground, and training targets are located at the Sary-Shagan proving ground. The length of such a route is within the limits of the Treaty. This fact was considered a violation.

    Exactly. The distance is about 2200 km. But the rocket, in addition to this distance, also flew from Plesetsk to Kura, at a distance of 6200 km, which clearly indicated that the rocket was intercontinental

    Quote: Puncher
    They didn’t show anything special at the briefing, the container and the pictures. If a missile has increased by half a meter and suddenly because of this it has lost its range, it really does not violate the contract, then why not show it naturally in the context, replacing the secret equipment with a fake.

    Quite right, EVgeny. They also know how to count and can calculate the range of this rocket. The absolutely non-binding mention of BG of increased power does not say anything in this context. What is the increased power? In another type of explosive, which with the same weight has TNTE, for example 1,7? Increasing the weight of the MS? The mention that it is 53 cm longer does not in general favor this rocket. Therefore, this is the reaction. Although it would be enough just to add data on the launch weight and "payload" and everything would fall into place

    Quote: zyzx
    Maybe escho and dance?

    Yes, it would be better to dance than to conduct such a "toothless" briefing. If you do something, do it well, so that later you don't have to say that we were misunderstood. And this briefing was late for a couple of years, and it was held like that.

    Quote: ANCIENT
    ALL! The contract is dead!

    Not yet. He will die in 6 months. And if we do something, we need to do it well. To counter his claims to the propaganda of the other side. And we often do "blunder"
  5. -2
    25 January 2019 13: 52
    Quote: chenia
    Worse, what to place, they can in the Baltic states, Romania, Poland, and even in Ukraine and Georgia.

    The question is, what led to this? So something offended?
    That I went from afar)))
    It’s interesting, but if after N years the US missiles come up near Minsk, will anyone be surprised?
    1. -1
      25 January 2019 22: 17
      Quote: Alex-333
      It’s interesting, but if after N years the US missiles come up near Minsk, will anyone be surprised?

      Not really. In general, I see no difference near Kiev or Vilnius, and even less so near Minsk. Distances are about the same.
      1. -2
        25 January 2019 22: 59
        Sector. Three fists flying to the face from different sides at the same time, more dangerous than three from one side in turn)))
        In general, this is not about that, having rich, reliable and generous allies is the readiness for war.
  6. +4
    25 January 2019 15: 56
    Someone believes that the Americans are seriously offended and only after receiving a categorical refusal to destroy the 9M729 missile decided to withdraw from the treaty ?!
    After all, the United States will not destroy those types of weapons that are presented in the article. The United States is by no means going to abandon the production of short- and medium-range missiles. They made such a decision and the opinion of other countries does not really bother them. The destruction of the 9M729 missile did not affect the decision of the United States. Would have come up with another reason. If Russia agreed with the US demand for the elimination of the 9M729 missile, the next would be a demand for the elimination of the Iskander complex. For example, under the pretext that by reducing the payload, the 9M728 rocket can fly over 500 km (due to changes in the weight and type of explosives). In general, whoever seeks will always find
    1. +3
      25 January 2019 16: 16
      Both Russia and the United States are happy with the exit from the INF Treaty. Now different realities than those that were 30 years ago. The INF Treaty are doing everything for everyone, only Russia and the United States are in a deliberately losing position. The gap in the balance of strategic forces between Russia and the USA is The INF Treaty will have little effect. And now there are Caliber and Tomahawks, only on other platforms.
      1. 0
        25 January 2019 19: 12
        And how did the United States find themselves in a losing situation? It is hard to imagine who could threaten p_indosiks with short- and medium-range missiles. Is it possible that Lockheed Martin would benefit from the INF Treaty’s demolition, would rocket the entire western perimeter of the Russian border and billions of green presidents from the printing press would fall into the pocket of the Lockheed. Look for someone to profit from .... And the loser will actually remain the Russian Federation and Europe (with a small letter, because they cannot answer for themselves, they look at Uncle Sam's mouth) as targets for SMD missiles.
        1. +1
          26 January 2019 10: 58
          The fact of the matter is that because of the INF Treaty, Russia is a loser. And as you put it, they have already stumbled on short and medium-range missiles on air and sea carriers, and for sure there are ground tomahawks already quietly. They are sharpers. Everything is already decided and There is nothing to talk about. Conversations will not help here. Unless, seeing our stupid compliance and belief in an already dead treaty, the Americans will try to lead us to destroy Iskander and all of his missiles. Well, that would have to be clinical idiots for us to agree to this. This is complete disarmament. in exchange for "honest" word. A call to aggression in essence.
  7. +1
    25 January 2019 18: 42
    The author is categorically wrong. The agreement does not contain the term "rocket", it contains a definition of aircraft that fall under the agreement and UAVs correspond to this definition.
  8. +1
    25 January 2019 21: 53
    Well, the Venezuelan coup against this background is quite understandable - by the time of the withdrawal from the treaty, the SGA did not want to get a second Cuba at their side ..
    1. -1
      26 January 2019 12: 44
      Well, now is not the 60s, now it’s full of other methods (Poseidon, Vanguard, Sarmatia and a lot of things that we still don’t know). The world has not wedged in this Cuba and the INF Treaty. Why is everyone thinking in terms of the Caribbean crisis? First of all, in the technological plan. For S-400, S-300V4 idr. medium-range missiles are a standard target, which Syria showed. This was not the case in the late USSR, therefore they went to exchange for INF Treaty.
  9. 0
    26 January 2019 03: 56
    Gentlemen, do you want a "joke"?)
    If p.i.nd.do.s.sy put on the INF Treaty, then from synthine CR with turbojet engine to 480km. sense, in general, will no longer be. It will be necessary to rivet a new 1000km. and more, and if we agree to their terms, then again - under the knife.
    That is, no matter how you twist - we cut it one FIG XD)))

    PS. However, in the Moscow Region, too, no fools are sitting, therefore, they leaked some info on the rocket ...
    As the saying goes - Kui iron without leaving the box office!)
  10. 0
    26 January 2019 09: 53
    Quote: Puncher
    US ignored briefing on 9M729 rocket and data announced on it

    They didn’t show anything special at the briefing, the container and the pictures. If a missile has increased by half a meter and suddenly because of this it has lost its range, it really does not violate the contract, then why not show it naturally in the context, replacing the secret equipment with a fake.

    Did they show us a lot?
    For the eyes and what they were shown
  11. +2
    26 January 2019 10: 12
    It’s frankly enraging that we are again making excuses. And to whom? Before the cheaters. The Americans want to sell us a dead donkey ears-threat from ground tomahawks. Tell me, what will the situation be different from what is now, if the ground tomahawks are placed? Now there is no threat of a massive attack by tomahawks from the cells of Ohio, Virginia, Los Angeles from our northern seas or JAASM-ERs from their aircraft? The situation will NOT change fundamentally. Moreover, in the event of a full-fledged thermonuclear war, neither their missile defense nor ours can cope with masked strategic attacks There will be a military draw and eternal silence. And do not tell me about the flight time now everything is the same, only these same missiles from other carriers (sea and air). We must send the Americans away, they only understand this language. And we will breed the nurses, they will sit on their demands will be worse and worse all the time. This is not an option. An example should be taken with Kim Jong Il and also behave with the Americans firmly and uncompromisingly. Then America the nts will not roll away saltyly. They are trying to take us to a pontoon. A typical strategy for trump.
    1. 0
      26 January 2019 22: 05
      Support.
  12. +1
    28 January 2019 13: 01
    It has been said that the INF Treaty will die regardless of the wishes of the parties, especially when one of the parties has already decided everything for itself. Further, not we, but the EU should talk with the US. If Europe does not want to return to the times of "no minute's time", it needs an agreement not to place its own and American on its territory, let them make suggestions themselves especially zealous. And you have to talk harder with the Americans - any American CD or RSD on European soil - a declaration of war and wait for a treat.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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