The reaction of foreign media to the footage with the Russian "Hunter"

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In the foreign press, a discussion began on the topic of the newest shock drone "Hunter". On the eve of "Military Review" shared with readers information that "Hunter", made according to the “flying wing” scheme with a take-off weight of about 20 tons (according to other data - 22,1 tons), for the first time hit the frame.

The reaction of foreign media to the footage with the Russian "Hunter"




They reacted to the appearance of a photo of the Russian attack drone not only in Russia, but also abroad. So, in the Chinese military-themed press published materials stating that Russian design engineers presented “the future aviation"- avoiding manned aircraft in favor of using drones with a wide range of capabilities. And, despite the fact that there is no official data from Russian manufacturers on the exact characteristics of the Okhotnik UAV, China is speculating that Russia is entering the era of creating such stealth machines that immediately push back the era of creating fifth-generation aircraft.


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In the US, they write that Russia "will in any case lag behind in the production of new-generation serial UAVs" from the production of American Boeing fx.

The Americans had previously set themselves the task of setting on the arsenal of serial Boeing FX to 2030 year. No details on how the implementation of this program is progressing are available yet, but it is stated that FX should eventually replace the F-5 22 generation aircraft in the US Air Force. It clarifies that the Boeing FX - a kind of hybrid, which will be available in several versions - manned and unmanned.

The Russian “Hunter” is declared exactly as a drone. According to some data, the area of ​​the “central horizontal section” of the Russian drone UAV is about 97 sq. M, the distance between the front and rear landing gear is about 6,1. Internal compartments allow you to carry six different types of ammunition, including high-explosive fragmentation bombs.
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  1. 0
    24 January 2019 13: 31
    In the US, they write that Russia “in any case will lag behind in the production of serial new-generation UAVs” from the production of American Boeing FX.
    unfortunately you can’t argue with this
    1. +54
      24 January 2019 13: 37
      Here are a couple of photos:

      1. +45
        24 January 2019 13: 46
        Hmm ... the yellow "Kirovets" gives special flavor to the "future of aviation". laughing
        1. +18
          24 January 2019 14: 15
          Quote: saveall
          Hmm ... yellow "Kirovets"

          But is he included in weapons? belay
          1. +29
            24 January 2019 14: 22
            Quote: _Ugene_
            In the US, they write that Russia “in any case will lag behind in the production of serial new-generation UAVs” from the production of American Boeing FX.
            unfortunately you can’t argue with this


            they thought so in hypersound and much more, but as a result of what?

            someone overtakes all his life, then falls behind



            Quote: saveall
            Hmm ... the yellow "Kirovets" gives special flavor to the "future of aviation".



            This is a factory, not a military airfield
            1. +12
              24 January 2019 15: 32
              I absolutely agree with you. the Americans include their propaganda and are impressed that the great ones are not crushable))) We even in the late 80s and until the second term of Putin were delighted in the fact that the Americans, thanks to reputable media in the world, paid babosiks and they created and inspired, including we have something to say that we should compete with Khospodin, "with the pork snout and in the elite row." But history corrupts everything.
            2. +10
              24 January 2019 16: 05
              I agree with you, I saw this jet contraption for the first time .... impressed .. and not at all cartoons ....
          2. +10
            24 January 2019 14: 41
            Quote: widower
            Quote: saveall
            Hmm ... yellow "Kirovets"

            But is he included in weapons? belay

            But what without him ... Without him, he won’t fly. Yes And the winter Siberian forest in the background complements the whole surreal picture and slightly hints: Maybe you will change your mind and understand who you contacted? laughing
            1. +7
              24 January 2019 14: 44
              Quote: saveall
              But what without him ... Without him, he won’t fly

              maybe he slows it down? laughing
              the Russians are hit, FSO vice versa laughing
              1. +7
                24 January 2019 15: 57
                Quote: widower
                Quote: saveall
                But what without him ... Without him, he won’t fly

                maybe he slows it down? laughing
                the Russians are hit, FSO vice versa laughing

                Of course, this Kirovets is not without reason ... You have revealed only one of its functions. In flight, he scares away all enemy planes, because the tractor driver sitting in it has such a terrible mug and he swears so much that the most persistent pass even when he sees it through the drone’s camera ... Well, he can also use it for its intended purpose, Slightly fucking the enemy machine with it, and this is guaranteed to disable it ... Nobody can stand against Kirovets! Yes. laughing
                1. +2
                  24 January 2019 16: 47
                  Quote: saveall
                  because the tractor driver sitting in it has such a terrible mug

                  Efto for close combat
                  Well, he can also apply it as intended,

                  a fume from the self-dance (moonshine). kilometers for 200 all FISH will burn
                  1. +3
                    24 January 2019 17: 00
                    Quote: widower

                    a fume from the self-dance (moonshine). kilometers for 200 all FISH will burn

                    But this should not have been said ... it is already a state of secrecy ... So, collect soap and dust, they will come for you soon.
                    1. +4
                      24 January 2019 17: 07
                      Quote: saveall
                      So collect soapy rylny, they will come soon for you.

          3. +3
            24 January 2019 14: 43
            Yeah, suspended on an external sling))
            1. +1
              24 January 2019 14: 46
              Quote: IvanT
              Yeah, suspended on an external sling))

              that’s how it’s banging, so it’s banging laughing
            2. 0
              28 January 2019 07: 14
              Mounted on top, like Buran)
          4. +10
            24 January 2019 14: 57
            Quote: widower
            Quote: saveall
            Hmm ... yellow "Kirovets"

            But is he included in weapons? belay

            ett acceleration block
        2. +6
          24 January 2019 15: 12
          Kirovets is handsome in any way. Of the approximate Western counterparts, a harvester. And in terms of reliability, price, and cost of services, everyone does not nervously smoke in the distance, but is not visible at all.
          1. +18
            24 January 2019 15: 28
            I worked for fifteen years as a tractor driver, ten of them on Kirovets, and five on a forwarder John Deere 1710 .. Ten years of my life can be thrown out .. no back, no arms, no legs .. So before writing nonsense, and compare Kirovets with foreign counterparts, it would be necessary to work on that and that. For comfort and performance, our K-700 is not even nearby! Spare parts for Kirovets cost so much right now, oh-oh-oh .. the reliability is about the same position, for repair, of course, the Kirovets are not whimsical and can be repaired on the highway. So don’t grind nonsense. -700 ..
            1. +2
              24 January 2019 16: 53
              Quote: igorka357
              and five on the forwarder John Deere 1710 ..

              and what is it? you still tell about Mercedes, when in the country Lada were a gift.
              do not confuse time
              1. 0
                26 January 2019 04: 43
                This is the Forwarder Djone Deer 1710dEco 3, what else do you answer? I don’t know, give a full description of the machine?
              2. -1
                26 January 2019 04: 48
                I didn't understand, but what did the Kirovets pull out in the Seventies? We have Kirovtsy still plow in Siberia, mostly private traders who have no money for normal equipment! And yes, the Kirovets are still producing it, the squalor is still a new tin a cab, a condenser, a radio tape recorder that does not work, and some incomprehensible hybrid of a hydro-electric power steering, I rode on it too .. I came to the enterprise with a gradozer body kit, I tell you, as a former machine operator, a rare case! But for lack of finance, and opportunities .. of course the best of the options!
          2. +3
            24 January 2019 16: 50
            Quote: HOMUT1430
            Kirovets is handsome in any way. Of the approximate Western counterparts, a harvester. And in terms of reliability, price, and cost of services, everyone does not nervously smoke in the distance, but is not visible at all.

            in Soviet times, the most reliable "workhorse" in all collective and state farms. I was capable of everything
        3. +4
          24 January 2019 15: 28
          You look at the photo of the Second World War, as some plants on such ushatannye and old machines did such things that it’s expensive to see.
          1. +5
            24 January 2019 16: 55
            Quote: StudentVK

            You look at the photo of the Second World War, as some plants on such ushatannye and old machines did such things that it’s expensive to see.

            his wife worked as a technologist at LTZ. DIP machines (we catch up and overtake) about 38 years.
            tractor LTZ went to Hurray !!!!
        4. +4
          24 January 2019 15: 45
          Kirovets came from the defense industry to the agricultural enterprise.
        5. 0
          24 January 2019 15: 51
          Quote: saveall
          Hmm ... the yellow "Kirovets" gives special flavor to the "future of aviation". laughing

          Yes, to hell with him with a yellow Kirov, for me at least a red Belarus.
          And the fact that the nozzle is not flat, it's like nothing!? Sense then zakos glider under stealth?
          1. +17
            24 January 2019 18: 26
            Quote: sak1969
            And the fact that the nozzle is not flat, it's like nothing!? Sense then zakos glider under stealth?

            Really.
            1. -2
              24 January 2019 19: 23
              Because originally 35 was designed as a vertical. Cunning swivel nozzle nozzle.
              1. +9
                24 January 2019 19: 30
                Quote: sak1969

                Because originally 35 was designed as a vertical. Tricky Swivel Nozzle

                What was the point then of depicting something inconspicuous on it? With a round nozzle.
                Meaning then skid glider under the stealth?
                1. -6
                  24 January 2019 19: 35
                  A compromise was needed on the deck vertical.
                  And why on the hunter? I blinded him from what was.
                  1. +2
                    24 January 2019 19: 40
                    Quote: sak1969
                    And why on the hunter?

                    Maybe he will work together.
                    1. -2
                      24 January 2019 20: 00
                      Yes, even with an AWACS plane, simply the less compromise the closer it can go unnoticed. Well, if you noticed that the exact location, position and type of aircraft still need to be determined. And he has already been shot back during this time.
                      1. +7
                        24 January 2019 20: 02
                        Quote: sak1969
                        Yes, even with an AWACS plane, simply the less compromise the closer it can go unnoticed

                        He will not come forward booty.
                      2. -2
                        25 January 2019 04: 24
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        He will not come forward booty.

                        The slightest shift in the angle of flight relative to the enemy is already enough.
                        And about the gliding of the glider under the stealth, it's about taillessness. The keels were removed and the nozzle was round.
                  2. +2
                    26 January 2019 08: 26
                    A compromise was needed on the deck vertical.
                    And why on the hunter? I blinded him from what was.

                    Well, firstly, where did you get that so-called is stealth on the hunter the goal itself?

                    The flying wing is the most load-bearing type of airframe and is ideal for long-term flight at subsonic speed.
                    That's why it was used - stealth is a "side effect".
            2. -1
              25 January 2019 09: 09
              Good plane yak 35 !!!
          2. +5
            24 January 2019 19: 46
            Quote: sak1969
            And the fact that the nozzle is not flat, it's like nothing!? Sense then zakos glider under stealth?

            You would have better remembered the signature of InfraRed (I am writing this specially)! That's where the "ambush" is!
            I am interested in the question: why did our geeks not analyze the location of the dvigunov on B-2 !? Maybe something a thread glider out of shielding the nozzles with a glider can still be pulled out ???
            Or am I too dense for such a "bright" idea and do not understand anything about aerodynamics and thermodynamics of technology?
            1. +1
              24 January 2019 20: 06
              Duc Infra Red signature flat nozzle and reduces.
              So we are the same. The tops were picked up. laughing
              1. 0
                26 January 2019 08: 29
                Quote: sak1969
                Duc Infra Red signature flat nozzle and reduces.
                So we are the same. The tops were picked up. laughing

                And at the same time it reduces power ...
            2. 0
              1 February 2019 12: 06
              With all due respect, have you heard anything about the high maneuverability of the B-2 Spirit? And I don’t ... The complete impression is that literally everything was sacrificed to stealth, and the plane turns extremely slowly and reluctantly. I think the maneuverability for the Hunter is still needed a little more than for the B-2. Alas.
        6. +15
          24 January 2019 17: 12
          Quote: saveall
          Hmm ... the yellow "Kirovets" gives special flavor to the "future of aviation". laughing

          =========
          And what is the actual difference, WHAT it is carried ???? yellow "Kirovts" or white "Mercedes" ?? Yes, even red steam train!!! fool
          If only he flew GOOD !!!
          1. -3
            25 January 2019 19: 17
            If only he flew GOOD !!!
            So who is arguing?
            But it’s more convenient with a tractor))) And the wheels are similar!
        7. +6
          24 January 2019 19: 18
          What's wrong with the Kirovets color? Yellow is very convenient for the airfield and is clearly visible.
          1. +3
            25 January 2019 07: 09
            People do not catch up with the fact that the state of the project is determined by the color of the Kirovets. YELLOW MEANS RATING.
        8. +4
          24 January 2019 19: 33
          And what, excuse me, is it bad ?? It seems to me - the personification of power, even stupidity and all-encompassing. So if you are in a good way, then I agree :))) But this is unlikely - so I’ll say that it’s in the right place. This is not the last place for the Americans to show off, but for us - the main thing - TO WORK and work well. That's all. Functionality is important. Content and meaning. And the form - well, I think so for people .. well, ok - for people less wise, so to speak :) I'm not talking about the shape of airplanes, of course - just here it is important like nowhere else :))) and ours is okay with it .
        9. +2
          24 January 2019 19: 46
          Quote: saveall
          Hmm ... the yellow "Kirovets" gives special flavor to the "future of aviation". laughing


          Well, it looks like this is our usual "Kirovets" with vertical takeoff and hypersonic harrow.
          Why foreigners wonder ..
        10. +7
          24 January 2019 22: 32
          You do not understand, in the photo the drone is just yellow :)))))))))
          1. 0
            25 January 2019 07: 11
            Exactly ! To the enemy did not guess ....
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        12. +3
          25 January 2019 07: 25
          Why don't you like the yellow "Kirovets"? An excellent multipurpose vehicle for MY country with its "original" climatic conditions.
          Let me remind you about these fairly well-known frames (https://ok.ru/video/5589502114). Can SO beautiful (not yellow) and super-super-modern Zugrebny tractor?
          Feci quod potui faciant meliora potentes - as the ancient Latins used to say.
        13. 0
          25 January 2019 09: 02
          Kirovets power !!!
        14. 0
          26 January 2019 12: 00
          a strange combination, "Kirovets" will overclock. laughing
      2. +1
        24 January 2019 13: 49
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Here are a couple of photos:


        Handsome, you can’t say anything .. we can make beautiful weapons, especially airplanes ..
        Still in a series .. and then the T-57 -15 cars in total until 2020 .. about Armata in general silence ..
        1. 0
          24 January 2019 14: 58
          Svarog ....Even in a series .. and then t-57 -15 cars in total until 2020 .. about Armata in general silence.

          Perhaps the reason is the "new leap forward" of 21st century technologies. Do not launch the 5th generation (Su-57) into a large series, but redirect finances to the 6th, more "advanced" one. The glider, engines, pilot, reached the "limit" (5th generation), 6th generation - all the same, but unmanned, with artificial intelligence exceeding the capabilities of the pilot, especially in overload. That is, the 5th generation, already in the 30s and 40s, will be morally obsolete. The same applies to "Armata". hi
          1. +5
            24 January 2019 15: 22
            but unmanned, with artificial intelligence exceeding the capabilities of the pilot, especially in overloads

            Yes, of course, we now have such an advanced AI that you put directly on the glider .... Although the US already put AI blocks on the drone, it went platinum.
            So all the stories about unmanned drones that replace the fifth generation in 40 are utter nonsense
          2. +7
            24 January 2019 20: 05
            Quote: askort154
            The same is true for "Armata".

            And what didn't Armata please you with? It seems so far no automatic tanks are expected. Look, the Yankees are all "modernizing and modernizing" (because it is difficult to call these partial improvements "modernization") their Abrams do not blow up! The Germans, by the way, also do the same with their Leopolds ... And here they made a new car, freeing the tower from the crew and putting everyone in an armored capsule in a low-profile case ...
            The best cannon (better than that of the Leopard 2A7 !!!) was installed ... with missiles at least 5 km away, it can "shoot". The mm-range radar has been installed, he sees everything around the tank, the tank can shoot down the turntables ... And everything is bad for you! Well, you are kind of downright ungrateful! bully
        2. -10
          24 January 2019 16: 10
          Quote: Svarog
          Handsome, you can’t say anything .. we can make beautiful weapons, especially airplanes ..

          Some know how and some do not. For me it's a hybrid of a snake with a hedgehog. A flat nozzle is a necessity for stealth, which is the most important criterion for this arrangement. Russia cannot make such a nozzle.
          1. +5
            24 January 2019 16: 22
            What about the F-35 with a flat nozzle? although it is classified as inconspicuous.
            1. -3
              24 January 2019 17: 02
              Quote: barsuk
              What about the F-35 with a flat nozzle? although it is classified as inconspicuous.

              Well, with a round as if it was shining on the radar.
              1. +12
                24 January 2019 19: 20
                Quote: sak1969
                Well, with a round as if it was shining on the radar.

                yyyyy laughing

                Astrologers have announced "Hunter" week.
                The number of online experts on stealth has grown seven times. laughing
                1. -2
                  24 January 2019 19: 41
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Quote: sak1969
                  Well, with a round as if it was shining on the radar.

                  yyyyy laughing

                  Astrologers have announced "Hunter" week.
                  The number of online experts on stealth has grown seven times. laughing

                  laughing Well, it’s flat, it’s shining less!
                  1. +4
                    24 January 2019 19: 55
                    Quote: sak1969
                    Well, it’s flat, it’s shining less!

                    Deadlift will fall. This is only relevant for any one-time crap, which cannot even be blamed because it does not have speed.
                    1. -1
                      24 January 2019 20: 33
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      Quote: sak1969
                      Well, it’s flat, it’s shining less!

                      Deadlift will fall. This is only relevant for any one-time crap, which cannot even be blamed because it does not have speed.

                      When this horseradish gets out of the suspender, when he has not yet been noticed, he will have to attack Kavo. And he will leave quietly. tongue
                      1. +4
                        24 January 2019 21: 03
                        Quote: sak1969
                        . And he will leave quietly.

                        This is only in Afghanistan all sorts of rolls. And so, they will catch up and tear the nozzle.
                      2. 0
                        24 January 2019 21: 34
                        In Afghanistan, all kinds of stealth are not needed.
                        But Iran to plow or Syria is even very nothing.
              2. +1
                24 January 2019 19: 34
                The only thing it can be blurry on the radar is like a sniper was shot from under a fire, I heard about such a mulka but hz
              3. 0
                24 January 2019 23: 11
                The situation is that this is an engine for overload testing, and maneuverability at these overloads. Later, there will be an adaptation of a certain product for a flat nozzle in the heat-absorbing scattering PLANE OF THE NOZZLE. As they say, not all at once :)
              4. 0
                25 January 2019 03: 55
                No, well, it’s clear that the screening of nacelles, purging with cold air.
                But at a slight angle, the F-35 has a more visible torch.
                Although paradoxical as it may sound, supersonic F-22A F119-PW-100 engines warm the tail of an inconspicuous fighter quite strongly, the heat radiation freely passes from the rotary nozzle leaves to the fuselage, and during a long flight on a cruising supersonic the Raptor will represent a “candle in the night field”, even at the slightest shift in the angle of flight relative to the enemy.
                But the “Hunter” is subsonic. It will be easier to detect his candle using the same modern infrared system with a distributed aperture DAS (installed on the F-35A).
            2. +2
              24 January 2019 19: 25
              But what's the difference in what shape the nozzle, even though triangular, is still visible through thermal scanners, for whom it is not noticeable? Yes, this is nonsense.
              1. +1
                24 January 2019 20: 22
                Quote: 111 main 111
                But what's the difference in what shape the nozzle, even though triangular, is still visible through thermal scanners, for whom it is not noticeable? Yes, this is nonsense.

                IMHO the same nonsense as camouflage for an infantryman, say our figure in a night sight such as pixels merge.
            3. -1
              25 January 2019 07: 14
              I did not see the shape of the nozzle on the unmanned Kirovets ..
          2. +3
            24 January 2019 16: 58
            Quote: sak1969
            Russia cannot make such a nozzle

            and hypersound too. some cartoons?
            1. 0
              24 January 2019 17: 01
              Here it is not necessary to confuse warm with soft.
              1. +2
                24 January 2019 17: 26
                Quote: sak1969
                Here it is not necessary to confuse warm with soft.

                aha laughing
                fly into space on a piston?
          3. +5
            24 January 2019 20: 11
            Quote: sak1969
            Make such a nozzle Russia can not.

            RD-180 can do it, but some kind of "flat" nozzle can not?
            No joke !!! laughing
          4. +3
            25 January 2019 00: 33
            There are photos of the Su-27LL with a flat nozzle. Russia can make such nozzles, it simply does not want for lack of need to cut thrust by 15-20% with this nozzle and super maneuverability, which we have as one of the key parameters. In addition, all these stories about poor stealth from a nonplanar nozzle are completely irrelevant if we are talking about a stele glider, which is primarily designed for stealth in the front hemisphere. From other angles, everything shines. Absolutely.
          5. +3
            25 January 2019 19: 00
            Quote: sak1969
            Quote: Svarog
            Handsome, you can’t say anything .. we can make beautiful weapons, especially airplanes ..

            Some know how and some do not. For me it's a hybrid of a snake with a hedgehog. A flat nozzle is a necessity for stealth, which is the most important criterion for this arrangement. Russia cannot make such a nozzle.

            Alas, it cannot, it cannot at all ... Absolutely, it cannot at all ... This is from a word in general. winked
        3. +2
          25 January 2019 08: 11
          Quote: Svarog
          We can make beautiful weapons, especially airplanes


          Kirovets is also handsome! :))
        4. +1
          26 January 2019 10: 23
          About Armata, a contract for 100 tanks has long been signed. Do already.
      3. +15
        24 January 2019 13: 55
        It looks like an engine with an all-angled deflected thrust vector is very effective for an airplane such as a flying wing, and even more so without rudders and vertical stabilizers.
        1. +1
          24 January 2019 14: 32
          from the point of view of maneuverability is effective, but from the point of view of stealth, there is, as I understand it, stealth characteristics are more important, this nozzle will glow like a Christmas tree on radars
          1. +3
            24 January 2019 14: 42
            Quote: _Ugene_
            from the point of view of maneuverability is effective, but from the point of view of stealth, there is, as I understand it, stealth characteristics are more important, this nozzle will glow like a Christmas tree on radars

            100% true, an impact drone is created, not a machine for gaining air supremacy. In the infrared spectrum will glow and not only in it
          2. +1
            24 January 2019 14: 55
            Quote: _Ugene_
            this nozzle will glow on the radar like a Christmas tree

            So what? his task is a melee strike. no one will send him overseas
            1. 0
              24 January 2019 15: 24
              Quote: widower
              So what? his task is a melee strike. no one will send him overseas

              What do brick and pillow have in common? Neither one nor the other will be sent overseas, this is a hand weapon. Something like this according to your logic. But seriously, with the "close strike" task there is a button "turn off all air defense naf.i.g"? Or, nevertheless, stealth for such machines must be maximized, including with a closed nozzle.
              1. +2
                24 January 2019 17: 00
                Quote: JD1979
                But seriously, with the task of "close strike" is there a button "turn off all air defense naf.i.g"? Or, nevertheless, stealth for such machines must be ensured maximum, including a closed nozzle.

                you didn’t come up with "stealth" for the tank? SHOCK!!! he does not need to patrol over the battlefield .. hit and left
                1. +2
                  25 January 2019 00: 36
                  In fairness, the same T-14 used stealth technology. And the stealth parameter in the tank theme has always been relevant. It’s just that the tank’s profile height was responsible for this earlier, which the better the squat
              2. 0
                1 February 2019 12: 26
                Pralo! Close the nozzle to him so that it does not glow. Close tight! Rivet. Brew. Yes, even remove the engines completely - nothing is a pity for stealth. And nobody. Stealth is our fso. Amen.
          3. 0
            24 January 2019 15: 13
            Quote: _Ugene_
            from the point of view of maneuverability is effective, but from the point of view of stealth, there is, as I understand it, stealth characteristics are more important, this nozzle will glow like a Christmas tree on radars

            ) and a cold breeze is pouring from the jammed casing?
            1. +2
              24 January 2019 22: 43
              not cold, but when the nozzle itself is hidden behind the heat-absorbing panels, the visibility in the IR range decreases significantly, and therefore the detection range

              1. +1
                25 January 2019 00: 20
                Quote: _Ugene_
                when the nozzle itself is hidden behind the heat-absorbing panels, the visibility in the infrared range decreases significantly,

                a nozzle is a channel for supplying a jet, if you hide it, then it will no longer be a nozzle, but the nozzle will be what it was hidden in, and the flame enters the nozzle from the chamber, and it can be strongly cooled so that "at times"?
                1. 0
                  25 January 2019 09: 50
                  the nozzle is the jet feed channel; if it is hidden, it will no longer be the nozzle, and the nozzle will be what they hid
                  if the nozzle was closed outside with a thermal cover, then it ceased to be a nozzle and the thermal cover became a nozzle? winked
                  and it can be strongly cooled so that "at times"?
                  yes much, in addition to the thermal jacket there is much more has been done to reduce the temperature around the engine and nozzle
                2. 0
                  25 January 2019 10: 07
                  with a nozzle to the outside, like in the 4th generation of air-launched missile defense missiles, they will confidently capture this torch, let's hope that this part will be redone in the future, but in general, it doesn’t matter, we have been fed with news about the successful tests of the Su-57 for 9 years and what's the point? if it wasn’t in the army, it won’t be in the coming years, who are interested in the technical nuances if there is no aircraft in the army
                  1. +1
                    25 January 2019 21: 02
                    Quote: _Ugene_
                    with a nozzle outward like in 4 generations of GOS air defense missiles will confidently capture this torch,

                    doesn’t come in any way? the flame from the nozzle breaks out for maximum traction, because the camera is located at an optimal distance in terms of efficiency, we increase the distance to the edge of the nozzle - we increase cooling, but we lose efficiency
                    1. 0
                      25 January 2019 21: 37
                      flame out of nozzle for maximum traction
                      it's just some kind of revelation

                      is it really not visible that they put the standard RD-33 and did not bother with IR visibility
                      increase the distance to the edge of the nozzle - increase cooling, but lose efficiency
                      how simple it is, but the men don’t even know, by such methods only efficiency can be degraded really, but will the outlet temperature change by a meager amount, or do you propose to shift it by several meters?
                      1. +1
                        25 January 2019 21: 44
                        Quote: _Ugene_
                        flame out of nozzle for maximum traction
                        it's just some kind of revelation

                        is it really not visible that they put the standard RD-33 and did not bother with IR visibility
                        increase the distance to the edge of the nozzle - increase cooling, but lose efficiency
                        how simple it is, and men don’t even know, by such methods only efficiency can be really degraded, but the outlet temperature will change by a tiny amount

                        But should they have put some kind of magic? jet cooling takes the rest of the characteristics - is it necessary?
                      2. 0
                        25 January 2019 21: 49
                        I’m talking about this from the very beginning - the bourgeoisie have a whole range of measures to reduce the temperature in the area of ​​the engine and nozzle, thermocouples, forced cooling of the surface, flat nozzles and much more that they don’t talk about, as a result, the IR signature is reduced several times (naturally to the detriment of traction and maneuverability), and here the fuselage seems to have stealth technology and the tail of the vertical refused for the sake of stealth and the engine is the most ordinary in the most usual way as for 4 generations, and what for then to fence a garden? in the end, and no maneuverability because tailless and stealth no
                      3. +2
                        25 January 2019 22: 27
                        Quote: _Ugene_
                        in the end, and no maneuverability because tailless

                        why does he need a tail? he has ivet on the nozzle, this is that one of the saucers in your picture
                      4. 0
                        25 January 2019 22: 36
                        it’s an attack drone and not a fighter, it should remain unnoticed for air defense for as long as possible, and not twist the aerobatics, otherwise why would he stealth the fuselage? what is the use of it if its radars are seen from afar and the ghos of air defense missiles confidently captures?
                      5. 0
                        26 January 2019 00: 17
                        Quote: _Ugene_
                        otherwise why would he stealth the fuselage?

                        ) what bourgeois know how, they do
                      6. 0
                        25 January 2019 22: 43
                        By the way, why did you decide that he had uht?
                        here is a regular instant-29 with RD-33

                        but the hunter

                        I didn’t see
                      7. 0
                        26 January 2019 00: 23
                        )))) nothing happens
                      8. 0
                        26 January 2019 12: 12
                        in this photo it is not clear whether there is uvt or not
      4. +2
        24 January 2019 14: 04
        I will not say, but the campaign is my city of Novosibirsk, Chikalovsky plant. If not right, correct (maybe Komsomolsk-on-Amur)
        1. -1
          24 January 2019 14: 09
          Quote: Siberia 9444
          campaign my city of Novosibirsk, Chikalovsky plant

          It seems to have been said that in Chekalda
        2. +5
          24 January 2019 14: 17
          Quote: Siberia 9444
          Chikalovsky plant

          Excuse me, maybe Chekalovsky? hi
          1. +5
            24 January 2019 14: 23
            Not ... ChUkalovsky. And not a cent less.
            Read more about pilots!
            1. +3
              24 January 2019 14: 30
              Quote: Carpenter 2329
              Read more about pilots!

              I have not been rude to you.
              Just a question.
              And what is PURE? In Russian, this is a bad word
              Semantic properties
              Value
              neglected what they read is usually frivolous, entertaining literature

              If this is closer to you ... Good luck, eat this hi
              1. +2
                24 January 2019 17: 32
                Widower! No offense! Well, I did not want the negative!
                It was meant like a joke - apparently, it did not work out ((...
                It was necessary to put what picture there.
                My apologies!
                hi
                1. +2
                  24 January 2019 17: 40
                  Quote: Carpenter 2329
                  My apologies!

                  Yes, I already forgot) drinks drinks drinks Well, something like this smile
                  1. +1
                    24 January 2019 17: 42
                    That is yes! Respect!
                    good
                    1. +3
                      24 January 2019 17: 52
                      Quote: Carpenter 2329
                      That is yes! Respect!
                      good

            2. +2
              24 January 2019 19: 42
              Well, that is not Chikatilovsky ...
          2. +5
            24 January 2019 17: 18
            Quote: widower
            Quote: Siberia 9444
            Chikalovsky plant

            Excuse me, maybe Chekalovsky? hi

            =========
            Sorry, but maybe still CHCALOVSKY ??? soldier
            1. +2
              24 January 2019 19: 44
              Quote: venik
              Quote: widower
              Quote: Siberia 9444
              Chikalovsky plant

              Excuse me, maybe Chekalovsky? hi

              =========
              Sorry, but maybe still CHCALOVSKY ??? soldier

              For an inquiring mind, Chkalovsky is too simple.
        3. +3
          24 January 2019 14: 37
          PJSC Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov.
          1. +3
            24 January 2019 14: 40
            Quote: Herrr
            PJSC Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov.

            Thank you hi
            Now i know hi
            1. +1
              24 January 2019 14: 43
              You're welcome. hi
        4. 0
          7 February 2019 17: 38
          Mistake of course hi
      5. +1
        24 January 2019 14: 55
        quite presumably, ive on the ass, really want to see the ass of the magical bourgeois who is ahead of the rest
      6. +1
        25 January 2019 00: 26
        Than he looks like a German Horten Ho 229 laughing
      7. 0
        25 January 2019 09: 07
        Thing!!! Che on the site for censorship stupid ???
      8. 0
        26 January 2019 08: 51
        If there were no Kirovets, one could say that the photo was taken in North America))))
    2. +2
      24 January 2019 13: 41
      If the leadership shows wisdom, then there will be no lag, and we will do the Americans. And if not, then no.
    3. +8
      24 January 2019 13: 58
      Everyone knows that the Russians are thoroughly harnessed. But how good then on the C grade and with the breeze ...
    4. +2
      24 January 2019 14: 01
      Why so immediately paws up?
      I mean, about the backlog.
      Nobody has shown himself anywhere.
    5. +3
      24 January 2019 14: 14
      Quote: _Ugene_
      unfortunately you can’t argue with this

      with what sasha sasha media said? do they all know what we have?
    6. +2
      24 January 2019 14: 53
      Quote: _Ugene_
      In the US, they write that Russia “in any case will lag behind in the production of serial new-generation UAVs” from the production of American Boeing FX.
      unfortunately you can’t argue with this

      and you show it please, and then sigh
    7. 0
      24 January 2019 16: 06
      Somehow with the unification with the Su-57, I did not understand what they have in common except the chassis? UAVs have even half the engines.
      1. +1
        24 January 2019 19: 24
        Well, if the motor is the same, then not bad.
    8. +1
      25 January 2019 03: 17
      Well, just recently, in Russia, there were no UAVs at all. Now how! And in the 90s the army was barely breathing. At least Serdyukov would be at different levels and we will have everything.
    9. +1
      25 January 2019 09: 31
      Quote: _Ugene_
      Russia "in any case will lag behind in the production of serial new-generation UAVs

      It must be understood that in this phrase, among other things, there is also a provocative component on the topic of forced "proof of serial production", and even with incomplete running-in of the car under different modes, climatic. conditions, imperfection of the nodes, etc. I think this statement should be ignored. It may well turn out that the car ... is not quite what you need. Well, let 1 copy gather dust in the museum, but we will wake up in time and will not throw a piece of the military. budget in a potentially inappropriate thing for the army.
    10. +1
      25 January 2019 19: 17
      They said the same thing about hypersonic weapons. Ours did not argue ... Took and did. What does the USA have? How can they argue with this now? So far, nothing special ...
      It will be the same with UAVs.
    11. 0
      25 January 2019 22: 08
      that's just the point, dear man, that the future is made by one who knows how to argue ...
    12. 0
      26 January 2019 10: 38
      yellow "Kirovets"
      It was necessary to tow a John Deere tractor.
  2. +16
    24 January 2019 13: 32
    If only "Hunter" did not remain a prototype .... as we often got. The development of unmanned aircraft is a very near future, and the United States is still ahead in this direction. Russia simply needs to accelerate in this direction if we don’t want to fall behind hopelessly.
    1. +13
      24 January 2019 13: 47
      Well, the USSR at one time paid the United States on unmanned projects, Buran is proof of this.
      I think ours, in an outburst of "love" for overseas friends, have merged the developments. It's sad, but what to do. The US has a weak creative base.
      1. +2
        24 January 2019 14: 32
        Quote: Campanella
        Well, the USSR at one time paid the United States on unmanned projects, Buran is proof of this.

        but they prove that our "Poseidon" will never reach them without wires
        1. +2
          24 January 2019 14: 38
          It's funny ... They are raising their tone to their electorate. So that they proudly counted the stars on their star-striped mattress.
      2. 0
        24 January 2019 16: 08
        Something I do not remember where the Soviet Union did them? How many UAVs fly and perform tasks in the states and how many do we have? They have no problems in terms of creativity, where else will they pay so much money for creativity?
        1. 0
          25 January 2019 11: 34
          A head to think?!?! What is the task of UAVs in the USA?!?! Or do they still fly OUTSIDE the USA?!?! "How many UAVs are flying and performing tasks in the states and how many do we have?" - and what tasks do they perform - do they keep the sleep and peace of the Americans in the United States, or are they rocketing weddings and hospitals and helping the terrorist groups of the US special operations forces to do the work?!?! And where did Russia massively still need these same UAVs?!?! We need so-so, just in case, but if only there was more than the United States?!?!
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  3. +12
    24 January 2019 13: 37
    If, forever listening to the United States, we will only have to disarm completely, eliminate our entire military-industrial complex, and, like ukroin, buy their old stuff! !! Therefore, you just need to listen to them, but not hear them, and quickly launch the latest weapons into mass production. The army needs good, its own and new weapons.
    1. +8
      24 January 2019 13: 45
      Quote: ANCIENT
      If, forever listening to the United States, we will only have to disarm completely, eliminate our entire military-industrial complex, and, like ukroin, buy their old stuff!

      We need to die.
      But we fools do not agree.
      1. +1
        24 January 2019 14: 26
        Well, if you read some comments at the beginning of the topic, then yes!
    2. +3
      24 January 2019 14: 34
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Therefore, you just need to listen to them, but not hear,

      listen listen and listen. what’s wrong, then we did it CORRECTLY
    3. -3
      24 January 2019 14: 39
      And also to drive the raw materials for nothing, in exchange for beads!
  4. +6
    24 January 2019 13: 40
    I don’t understand, what does the Boeing FX have to do with it? A full fighter with a lot of different options?

    It is rather Northrop47В. And yes, also lagging behind. For the Hunter is just rolling along the runway, and Northrop is already flying and landing on the AB, refueling in the air, etc.

    Both cars are about 20 tons and have more 2 tons of gifts in various designs.




    And also in the ass - the difference between the refinement of Northrop 4 a year ago and Hunter today is clearly visible wink
    1. +17
      24 January 2019 13: 47
      Quote: donavi49
      It is rather Northrop47V. And yes, also lagging behind. For the Hunter is just riding the runway, and Northrop is already in the series

      What series?
      In April 2015, the X-47B performed the first-ever refueling procedure in the air fully automatically. An air refueling demonstration is most likely the final test of the X-47B program. Despite the fact that the implementation of the UCLASS program will continue to move forward, the X-47B program is minimized due to the high cost of the program. Both copies of the drone will become museum exhibits
      1. 0
        24 January 2019 13: 50
        Yes, I did. Obama’s cabinet hacked. But then they gave money for a new sawmill laughing .

        But this does not negate the fact that 47В - rolled back the test program in 2013-15. The hunter will only start at 19.
        1. +3
          24 January 2019 14: 53
          Quote: donavi49
          But then they gave money for a new sawmill

          Simpler and cheaper, from the functional only refueling, sort of like.
          Quote: donavi49
          But this does not negate the fact that 47B - rolled back the test program in 2013-15.

          Let's wish the Hunter more luck than the X-47V had.
    2. +2
      24 January 2019 13: 49
      X-47 is everything. I agree with the nozzle, we had a flat test, maybe they can fix it yet.
      1. +4
        24 January 2019 14: 48
        Quote: CruorVult
        I agree with the nozzle, we had a flat test, maybe they can fix it yet.

        The Americans on the F-35 do not bother with a flat nozzle, there are not many advantages.
    3. 0
      24 January 2019 15: 21
      Quote: donavi49
      And also in the ass, the difference between Northrop fine-tuning is clearly visible.

      here you can see from it that Northrop is low-speed and low-maneuverable
      1. 0
        24 January 2019 23: 23
        Is a hunter fast and maneuverable?
        1. +1
          24 January 2019 23: 56
          Quote: Mimoprohodil
          Is a hunter fast and maneuverable?

          with IWT on the ass - should be
  5. +1
    24 January 2019 13: 44
    20 tons? So this is su-35 belay
    1. +3
      24 January 2019 13: 58
      Exactly, only there is no life support and management system for a person, and this is considerable weight and therefore fuel economy and increased combat load.
      1. 0
        24 January 2019 14: 53
        fuel economy and increased combat load

        And the most important thing is to remove the restriction on overloads. Now maneuverability will be limited not by the physiology of the pilot, but by the strength limitations of the structure and engine thrust. I can’t even imagine which pretzel can be taught to make this bird. Not plowed (IMHO) field for designers. good
    2. +3
      24 January 2019 14: 13
      Not certainly in that way. 20 tons is its takeoff weight. The maximum take-off mass of the Su-35 is 34,5 tons, and the normal take-off (with 4 air-to-air missiles) is 25,3 tons.
  6. +1
    24 January 2019 13: 49
    Without data on the performance characteristics and cost of the final product, as well as the cost of operation, there is nothing much to discuss. request
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  8. 0
    24 January 2019 14: 05
    And how autonomous are these devices? Or control them like rippers with auto mode? For example: indicated a departure point, indicated a target, a return point, and he did everything himself? Or can not it?
    1. +1
      24 January 2019 14: 51
      It seems to me that he will be paired with the T-50. A can 3 + 1
  9. +1
    24 January 2019 14: 12
    He doesn’t even replace fighters
  10. 0
    24 January 2019 14: 53
    Unable to finish the fifth, swing at the sixth?
    1. +1
      24 January 2019 15: 00
      Quote: mehan
      Unable to finish the fifth, swing at the sixth?

      Ilya Muromets, 33 years old, could not get up. What next to tell?
  11. 0
    24 January 2019 15: 15
    If knocked down then you can not worry
  12. 0
    24 January 2019 16: 33
    The United States finally recognized the obvious, in our examples, the main thing is that they understood the principles.
    In the XNUMXst century
    The Russian Federation will lag behind in unmanned aircraft, and the United States in the nuclear triad of hyper-weapons anti-aircraft defense systems, missile defense systems and underwater weapon systems.
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  14. +1
    24 January 2019 17: 07
    Quote: mehan
    Unable to finish the fifth, swing at the sixth?

    So can the sixth without a person make it easier. An overload of 15g for the piece of iron is permissible, but the pilot is no longer there. It turns out that a lot of restrictions have been lifted for an autonomous device in comparison with an airplane with a pilot.
  15. 0
    24 January 2019 17: 32
    in China, they are speculating that Russia is entering the era of creating such stealth machines that immediately push back the era of creating fifth-generation aircraft.


    Hence the conclusion — that is why they do not buy su57. Let the Chinese further develop the topic
  16. +1
    24 January 2019 17: 42
    Quote: donavi49
    And also in the ass - the difference between the refinement of Northrop 4 a year ago and Hunter today is clearly visible

    There was a tail on the layout. This may not be the final form.
  17. +2
    24 January 2019 17: 56
    Why compare the Su57 and Hunter in the same sizes? A device with one AL-31 and a device with two engines and a pilot? There should be a difference of 1,5 times.
  18. 0
    24 January 2019 18: 13
    Quote: widower
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Chikalovsky plant

    Excuse me, maybe Chekalovsky? hi

    what if Chkalovsky
  19. 0
    24 January 2019 19: 00
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    The Americans on the F-35 do not bother with a flat nozzle, there are not many advantages.

    The F-35 also has a short takeoff / landing version. Try a 90-degree square nozzle there =)
    And they have the same type of unification between the three versions ...
  20. 0
    24 January 2019 19: 16
    And where did the author find the rear landing gear of Hunter? And measured. All the same, you need to know the terms, the front landing gear, the main landing gear ...
  21. 0
    24 January 2019 21: 31
    listen, our "Buran" completed its mission and landed in difficult weather conditions 30 years ago, there was no GPS or glonas // everything will be fine
  22. 0
    25 January 2019 10: 04
    Quote: igorka357
    I worked for fifteen years as a tractor driver, ten of them on Kirovets, and five on a forwarder John Deere 1710 .. Ten years of my life can be thrown out .. no back, no arms, no legs .. So before writing nonsense, and compare Kirovets with foreign counterparts, it would be necessary to work on that and that. For comfort and performance, our K-700 is not even nearby! Spare parts for Kirovets cost so much right now, oh-oh-oh .. the reliability is about the same position, for repair, of course, the Kirovets are not whimsical and can be repaired on the highway. So don’t grind nonsense. -700 ..



    So this is all clear. Plant them. Kolyuschenko supplied bulldozers in Chile (before Pinochet). Our asks the Chilean: a good tractor? One: yes, only the Americans did before the war ... drinks
  23. 0
    25 January 2019 11: 27
    Guys, you forgot such a word as "disinformation". This is most likely the case here. Like someone secretly photographed the newest Russian drone :) :). Aha, now! I especially like the beautifully attached engine. What flies will be completely different.
  24. 0
    25 January 2019 19: 23
    Quote: Svarog
    and then t-57 -15 cars in total until 2020 .. about Armata in general silence ..

    So they told you the exact data about the latest weapons.
    Not T-57, but SU-57. Well, or the T-50, on the "extreme".
  25. +1
    26 January 2019 09: 20
    Or maybe it would be more correct not to pay attention to "the reaction of foreign media"? Yet this is only the media, not a military training ground!
    Can calmly and confidently do business without too much hype ?!
  26. -1
    26 January 2019 10: 30
    Hybrid optionally manned by us Su-57. This was almost directly stated. True, in offline mode I have not flown yet, but they will be trained. And every time before 2030
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