The reaction in Japan to the Moscow visit Abe: Putin hung a carrot in front of him

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Major Japanese publications publish expert opinions and analytical materials on the fact of the meeting of the President of Russia with the Prime Minister of Japan in the Kremlin. The tone of the statements is approximately as follows: “What was required to prove ...”. In the Japanese press, informational disappointment reigns supreme, and Shinzo Abe himself is already called behind his eyes “a loser” and “tea drinker before the start of dinner” (the Japanese version of the Russian saying “run ahead of a locomotive”).

The reaction in Japan to the Moscow visit Abe: Putin hung a carrot in front of him




Information Service Kyodo came out with a material in which several expert judgments are presented. One of them is from Professor Itzur Nakamura, who has been studying Russia for many years at the University of Tsukuba. Nakamura says that Vladimir Putin is not going to transfer “the disputed territories” (as the professor called the South Kuriles, - note “IN”).

From the statement of the Japanese professor:
I suppose that Mr. Putin poses a territorial problem as if he hung an inviting carrot in front of Mr. Abe. His main goal is to drive a wedge into the security alliance of Japan and the USA.


In this case, Nakamura notes that the famous statements and oaths of Shinzo Abe now put him in a quandary.

Prof. Nakamura:
He needs to do something before the 2021 year, when his premiership expires. And Putin has no reason to rush to resolve the situation, which has remained unresolved over 70 years.


In Japanese expert circles, the view was also expressed that Abe had driven himself into a corner with an actual readiness to “get two of the four islands”. As you know, most Japanese are against this.

And this statement by Professor Akihiro Ivashita from Kyushu University (also a specialist in relations with Russia):
I do not understand why Abe believes that he will receive Shikotan and Habomai in exchange for the rejection of Kunashir and Iturup. On these islands are Russian border guards, live Russian citizens - only about 3 thousands of people.


Ordinary Japanese commentary on publications in the media and in social networks noted that "Abe took a lot of himself," adding that he "is unlikely to be able to bear it on his shoulders," hinting at the impossibility of these promises to the islands "in exchange for a peace treaty ".
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  1. +18
    23 January 2019 15: 58
    And what did the Japanese hope that the islands would give them for signing some pieces of paper on a peace treaty? Naive. We lived without a contract and will live.
    1. +44
      23 January 2019 16: 17
      Klimych good Our islands! My uncle went to fight them from the German front, "did not have time a little", according to his stories "only three times" he took part in battles, before him (as he said) everything was solved with this issue. But he received a medal .. I think deservedly so.

      We are proud.
      It’s me who took the picture from the Internet, the medal itself with the rest and three orders is kept by the brother of my cousin, his son ...
      1. +4
        23 January 2019 18: 59
        And you dig on the corresponding site. I found a prize sheet for a similar medal from my grandfather. Maybe you can.
        1. +2
          23 January 2019 21: 53
          Can I link to the site?
          1. +2
            23 January 2019 22: 51
            I’ll find out tomorrow, unsubscribe. I don’t remember now.
            1. 0
              24 January 2019 08: 06
              Hello. Found out the name of the site. It is called the Feat of the people. Through the browser you will find and enter search information. Everything is just there.
              Still formed a similar information portal Memory of the people. I did not use the second one.
          2. +2
            23 January 2019 23: 43
            Quote: Freelancer7
            Can I link to the site?

            try here
            https://www.pravda.ru/news/society/07-05-2016/1300422-archives-0/
    2. +10
      23 January 2019 16: 20
      Quote: GerKlim
      And what did the Japanese hope that the islands would give them for signing some pieces of paper on a peace treaty? Naive. We lived without a contract and will live.

      Come on, the Japanese, then "ours" then raised a storm. There were even rallies. Now they will say that Putin of a rally of 300 people got scared and canceled everything. It is their fashion now to write nonsense, hold a rally, or even limit themselves to a single picket, and when the Peskovs officially refute the nonsense to declare that “the rally / picket is working and all the good fellows, they are the authorities and all that”
      1. +23
        23 January 2019 16: 54
        Quote: user1212
        Even the rallies were

        By the way, it’s good that the people started up, of course, harmful individuals speculated, but on the whole, society showed that it was not ready to allow the leader to squander the land.
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        2. +7
          23 January 2019 18: 11
          Let's hope that the authorities heard everything well.
        3. +2
          23 January 2019 18: 30
          Quote: hrych
          By the way, it’s good that the people started up,

          have you really believed the ribs?
          yesterday, what unpleasant odors were there, that already 2 islands had given up !!!
          Where are they????? I do not see!!!
        4. +4
          23 January 2019 18: 45
          Quote: hrych
          but on the whole, society has shown that it is not ready to allow the leader to squander land.

          ============
          "Hrych"! Are you sure that he (the leader) was going to "squander them? Are you sure?"Not sure - Do not overtake!"
          For rent, this is just right "to the place" (ie - to the "comment") !!! am
          1. +2
            24 January 2019 00: 36
            He didn’t want to, because when it was about ping-pong, he made himself clear, they say let's go to a joint household, but under unconditional in our jurisdiction, conclude a peace treaty and decide once and for all. Everything is clear and unequivocal, especially after the recognition of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the need to boil and reassure has disappeared. This is the greatest achievement of the regime. Moreover, give these islands (of course, Iturup and Kunashir) and there can be no talk of any internal water area. There, the Kuril Islands mark it along the contours, and the South, as it were, make a conditional jumper with Sakhalin over Hokkaido, although it is the width of Hokkaido wassat А joint farm, again completely embarrassed by the primitive Japanese. You can’t imagine what primitive language and speech they have, in short, to match poetry, painting, films, dances, songs, sports ... and everything. What do you want if they managed to have a ceremony around drinking tea? Why? So there’s nothing more to the imagination. How stupid karate and then on Okinawa, they took a treatise on European fencing, and instead of a sword ... a fist wassat so it turned out utter nonsense when you lunge dzekutsu-dachi, then you quickly substitute the enemy’s face, than with a fist you reach the enemy’s bubble wassat But put the sword and yourself ... And their main national sport is Sumo. You can’t imagine a dumbass ... push the fat man out of the circle, the whole sport wassat Closer to the topic, they regarded the joint economy as half a step towards the goal, they say they already give us half, and to finish off the second half about jurisdiction, there were already no brain zones. And enough ping-pong, they regarded supposedly, we won’t throw the ball, but we’ll have a valan, we’ll play in bad min-tone wassat And Abe, the "cunning", that he arranged, they say, I will heap with an oath on the grave, scamper, they say the Americans will not base themselves there, the residents will not be chased, also mutual debts, etc., they say, I will put Putin in such a position that my friend will not refuse. And Putin doesn't care about his oaths, doesn't care about "friend" Abe or not Abe, he has no friends at all wassat This is a Japanese, I thought, once they called a friend, then everything is friend and will not refuse anything, otherwise the little finger must be cut off wassat to spread on the edge of the belly. By the way, when you open the intestines, it starts to smell like shit wassat and this symbol of honor and courage with the obligatory and pungent smell of a cesspool wassat
            But our society did not show indifference. This is called a certain limit and the framework in which citizens place a ruler. Especially with a pensioner they felt that you shouldn’t trust cheaters ... as Abe trusted wassat
        5. +1
          23 January 2019 20: 35
          Quote: hrych
          but on the whole, society has shown that it is not ready to allow the leader to squander land.

          and who told "society" that they would "squander"? names in the studio !!!
          1. +1
            24 January 2019 00: 37
            Quote: widower
            and who told "society" that they would "squander"? names in the studio !!!

            Shinze Abe
        6. -2
          23 January 2019 20: 38
          Don't care about the leader
          1. +1
            24 January 2019 00: 38
            Quote: GUSAR
            Don't care about the leader

            How about the Crimea, the Caucasus and Syria?
      2. +6
        23 January 2019 17: 20
        Quote: user1212
        Come on, the Japanese, then "ours" then raised a storm. There were even rallies.

        this is called citizenship. And so, natiharya, what happens ..
        The agreement between the USSR and the PRC on the Soviet-Chinese state border on its eastern part was signed on May 16, 1991, and ratified by the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation on February 13, 1992. The border was drawn along the fairway of navigable rivers and in the middle of non-navigable rivers. Prior to this, the border mainly passed along the Chinese coast, according to previously concluded Sino-Soviet treaties. In 1991, a demarcation commission was established. No comments were given to the Soviet people on changing the border at the Far Eastern borders. Everything went quietly, almost secretively. The commission worked for 7 years. During this time, Russia gave China approximately 600 islands on the Amur and Ussuri rivers, as well as 10 square kilometers of land. Russia lost another 1995 hectares of land in Primorye during the demarcation of the border in November 1994, by implementing the XNUMX Agreement between Russia and China on the Russian-Chinese state border on its western part.

        In 1991 Mikhail Gorbachev signed an agreement under which the border with China should pass along the Amur channel. The Chinese were given the opportunity to challenge Russia's belonging to the islands of Bolshoi Ussuriysky and Tarabarov in the Khabarovsk region, as well as Bolshoi in the Amur Region.
        In 1999, as the Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin signed a government decree on the joint economic use of individual islands and the adjacent waters of border rivers. By this decree, Russia allowed the joint economic use of the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, the Verkhnekonstantinovsky island and the adjacent water area of ​​the Amur River (Heilongjiang).
        In turn, the Chinese side allowed Russian citizens living in the border region to conduct joint farming on Menkesilizhzhouzhu Island and Island No. 1 of the Longzhandao Island Group and the adjacent water area of ​​the Argun River.
        The Chinese used the Russian land with might and main, and the Russian border guards never let Russian citizens into the Chinese islands.
        1. +1
          23 January 2019 18: 33
          Quote: Silvestr
          And so, natiharya, what happens ..

          Yesterday, such as YOU here proved that everything was decided, the islands were given !!!! with foam at the mouth !!!
          what turned upside down ????
          1. +1
            23 January 2019 19: 08
            Quote: widower
            Quote: Silvestr
            And so, natiharya, what happens ..

            Yesterday, such as YOU here proved that everything was decided, the islands were given !!!! with foam at the mouth !!!
            what turned upside down ????

            I still claim that they will give! These creatures are capable of anything.
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            2. 0
              23 January 2019 20: 12
              Quote: lis-ik
              I still claim that they will give! These creatures are capable of anything.

              don’t argue with the person - he doesn’t read or listen to Putin: Putin is ready to give 2 islands under the agreement of the 56th year, but the Japanese need 4. And now I read it — Abe is ready to agree to sign the agreement on the terms of the 56th year.
              What's next, widower?
              1. +2
                23 January 2019 20: 36
                Quote: Silvestr
                do not argue with the person - he does not read and does not listen:

                video where PUTIN said that he gives the island ????
                prove it !!!!!!
                1. +1
                  23 January 2019 20: 53
                  But there was a video about pensions that, well, never and never. Where to put this video.
                  1. +2
                    23 January 2019 21: 06
                    Quote: serg v zapase
                    But there was a video about pensions that, well, never and never.

                    oh, did you change your shoes in the air? laughing
                    the school did not teach that the question must be answered. arrows translate when they cannot answer the question.
                    1. +3
                      23 January 2019 21: 57
                      Why so strict! You recently began to live in the world and apparently you are not used to the fact that the authorities always lie, even when this is not necessary. They will give the Kuril Islands, or in 5-7 years we will fight for them. I myself hope that my forecast does not come true.
                      1. +2
                        23 January 2019 22: 28
                        Quote: serg v zapase
                        The Kuril Islands will give, or in 5-7 years

                        pereobulsya again laughing
                        But there was a video about pensions,

                        so who twists the tail? laughing
                        Duc about pensions, il about the Kuril Islands?
                      2. +1
                        23 January 2019 22: 33
                        A dog twists its tail, and if I do not understand what is written, sorry, I'm not a teacher.
                      3. 0
                        23 January 2019 23: 10
                        Quote: serg v zapase
                        I'm sorry, I'm not a teacher.

                        sorry laughing
                        Well, not only not a teacher laughing
                        Duc about what shoes shod? pensions, al Astrava? so lace up. and then apyat reabuvatsa laughing
                      4. +1
                        23 January 2019 23: 14
                        Try to think for yourself.
                      5. +1
                        23 January 2019 23: 23
                        Quote: serg v zapase
                        Try to think for yourself.

                        To the wise man’s question 100 not wise men will answer. To question 1 of no sage, 100 sages will not answer.
                        Chinese is such wisdom.
                        Thinking about what? How do you jump from topic to topic?
                        Specifically, Where is the evidence that the GDP gave away the islands?
              2. +3
                23 January 2019 22: 30
                Quote: Silvestr
                don’t argue with the person - he doesn’t read or listen to Putin: Putin is ready to give 2 islands under the agreement of the 56th year, but the Japanese need 4. And now I read it — Abe is ready to agree to sign the agreement on the terms of the 56th year.
                What's next, widower?



                Sylvester, get on.
                The Japanese do not need 2 and not 4. They need to return their territories to the state of 1905-1945 and lock up the Sea of ​​Japan with our Pacific fleet, to the delight of uncle.

                There is no "1956 treaty" in nature. there is declaration on the conditions for concluding a peace treaty. It states that the USSR will transfer after signing a peace treaty two islands. And in it, by the way, besides everyone's favorite article 9 there is article 6, which reads:
                The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics renounces all reparation claims against Japan.
                USSR and Japan are mutually refuse all claims, respectively, from their state, its organizations and citizens to another state, its organizations and citizens that arose as a result of the war on August 9, 1945.


                So in itself, the demands of Japan are that 2, 4 islands denounce the Declaration. And it was signed with the USSR, and the Russian Federation has no continuity from the USSR, it inherits from the RSFSR.

                I don’t know what your belief is based on that Putin is ready for something there, but here’s his direct speech for you, read. https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/110233
              3. +1
                23 January 2019 22: 48
                The USSR and Japan did not sign or ratify any "treaties" in 1956!
              4. +1
                24 January 2019 03: 33
                Quote: Silvestr
                What's next


                And then the signing of the peace treaty is just the same from 56. And that’s it.

                But in the contract a very interesting word is a combination - goodwill gesture.

                And WE DO NOT HAVE ANY WILL OR DESIRE ... Neither of which is not. And Japan has no new islands either ...

                I see so.

                Sylvester hi
              5. 0
                28 January 2019 09: 15
                Read the 56th Agreement carefully ...
          2. +1
            23 January 2019 19: 56
            Quote: widower
            such as YOU

            upbringing, it happens.
            Quote: widower
            then everything is decided, the islands were given !!!! with foam at the mouth !!!

            where I said this, indicate ....
            And then. Have you listened to Putin? If you listened carefully, you would understand that Putin adheres to the 56-year agreement, according to which Russia will give back 2 islands - Shikotan and Khabomai. Try to refute Putin.
            The question is that the Japanese need not 2, but 4 islands. That's all. so your applause Abe- he doesn’t want to paraffin you, he does not need 2 islands. When he agrees, then it's your turn to scream
            1. +1
              23 January 2019 20: 40
              Quote: Silvestr
              upbringing, it happens.

              and where are you brought up? in the monastery ??? or governesses brought up ???
              If you listened carefully, you would understand that Putin adheres to the 56-year agreement, according to which Russia will give back 2 islands - Shikotan and Khabomai.

              sharpie !!!! there is a condition that Japan complies with NEUTRALITY !!!
              I’m chewing. there should not be bases of other states !!!! Americans left there ????????
          3. +1
            23 January 2019 20: 09
            Quote: widower
            Quote: Silvestr
            And so, natiharya, what happens ..

            Yesterday, such as YOU here proved that everything was decided, the islands were given !!!! with foam at the mouth !!!
            what turned upside down ????

            You are not used to seeing him yet ... Do not pay attention.
            1. +1
              23 January 2019 20: 41
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              Never mind.

              pralno. it is necessary to pay attention to PROVOCATORS.
              1. -2
                23 January 2019 21: 03
                Quote: widower
                pralno. it is necessary to pay attention to PROVOCATORS.

                Read and listen to Putin, monsieur
                1. +1
                  23 January 2019 21: 10
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Read and listen to Putin, monsieur

                  pliiiiiz, a reference, for the video where is he ready to give the island ???
                  bolder "parquet"
                  prove to the "courtyard" that you can not only take revenge with a "broom"
                  1. 0
                    24 January 2019 00: 15
                    Quote: widower
                    pliiiiiz, a reference, for the video where is he ready to give the island ???

                    No video. There is a picture where he is ready to give the islands. Arranged? wink
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                    2. +1
                      24 January 2019 00: 45
                      Quote: serpent
                      Will arrange?

                      Yes lol
                      1. 0
                        24 January 2019 11: 34
                        Apparently you not only lost your wife, but also a sense of humor.
            2. +2
              23 January 2019 20: 53
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              You are not used to seeing him yet

              get used not to your "conclusions", but to argue with specifics !!!!
              put the words of GDP or Lavrov, where they said that they give the islands !!!!!
              1. 0
                23 January 2019 20: 54
                Quote: widower
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                You are not used to seeing him yet

                get used not to your "conclusions", but to argue with specifics !!!!
                put the words of GDP or Lavrov, where they said that they give the islands !!!!!

                I'm not like Sylvester. Don’t you?
                1. +1
                  23 January 2019 21: 28
                  Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                  I'm not like Sylvester. Don’t you?

                  Andrey, sorry recourse hi
                  In a fever, I did not make out recourse
                  1. 0
                    23 January 2019 21: 29
                    Quote: widower
                    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                    I'm not like Sylvester. Don’t you?

                    Andrey, sorry recourse hi
                    In a fever, I did not make out recourse

                    Nothing wrong. It happens.
                    1. +1
                      23 January 2019 21: 43
                      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                      It happens.

                      Sorry again. Nevra smile drinks
                      1. 0
                        23 January 2019 21: 44
                        Quote: widower
                        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                        It happens.

                        Sorry again. Nevra smile drinks

                        It would be because of whom.
                    2. +1
                      23 January 2019 23: 27
                      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                      Nothing wrong. It happens.

                      The most NEGATIVE I apologized, our business. But they are ..... minus !!!!
                      Something already ... request
                      Who cares ....
          4. -3
            23 January 2019 22: 18
            What kind of people are you? ... who say that the leader is not the leader ... Trillions are withdrawing money from the country, and the claps are clapping their hands. Do not the corns interfere?
            1. +1
              23 January 2019 22: 31
              Quote: Snark1876
              With trillions of money,

              oh, past you? and you counted them? belay
              let stand nearby. at least see ..
          5. 0
            23 January 2019 23: 03
            Quote: widower
            such as YOU here proved that everything was decided, the islands were given !!!
            Such is the "civic position": the main thing is to crow, and then at least don't dawn.
            1. +1
              23 January 2019 23: 55
              Quote: sniperino
              the main thing is to crow, and there at least do not dawn.

              crowed? laughing
              With trillions of money,

              prove it!
              do not refer to Sylvester laughing
              on each branch they’re lying laughing
              1. -1
                24 January 2019 00: 10
                Quote: widower
                crowed?
                I'm talking about Sylvester, he wrote above about the civil position. What are you talking about?
                Quote: widower
                do not refer to Sylvester
                It seems like you are waving your fists blindfolded.
              2. 0
                24 January 2019 00: 12
                Quote: widower
                Quote: sniperino
                the main thing is to crow, and there at least do not dawn.

                crowed? laughing
                With trillions of money,

                prove it!
                do not refer to Sylvester laughing
                on each branch they’re lying laughing

                Do you even see who writes to you? About five in one pile mixed.
                Keep about trillions.
                So, the outflow of capital over the past 10 years alone amounted to $ 1 trillion. Approximately $ 100 billion annually, says Valentin Katasonov, professor at the Department of International Finance at MGIMO. - Over the past 30 years, according to my estimates, approximately $ 3 trillion has flowed from Russia. I saw similar figures with my other colleagues.

                The Bank of Russia estimated capital outflow over the past year at $ 31,3 billion, which is 60% more than in the 2016 year.

                https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kp.ru%2Fdaily%2F26787.5%2F3821698%2F&d=1
                1. 0
                  24 January 2019 00: 46
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  The Bank of Russia estimated capital outflow over the past year at $ 31,3 billion, which is 60% more than in the 2016 year.
                  Do not be cunning. You compare the outflow with a budget deficit in 2016 with the outflow with a budget surplus in 2018. Illegal manipulation of numbers.
                  1. 0
                    24 January 2019 00: 55
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Do not be cunning. You compare the outflow with a budget deficit in 2016 with the outflow with a budget surplus in 2018. Illegal manipulation of numbers ..

                    No manipulation. He took the first thing that came across, an article of 2018 of the year. 31,3 billion is an outflow in the 2017 year.
                    Here you have it for 2018
                    According to data provided by the Central Bank, in the Russian Federation for twelve months since the beginning of the 2018 year, it has grown 2 times compared to the previous year and currently stands at 60 billion.

                    http://fincan.ru/articles/28_ottok-kapitala-iz-rossii-ctatistika-po-godam/
                    1. 0
                      24 January 2019 01: 15
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      No manipulation. I took the first thing that came across
                      I am not saying that the numbers are wrong, but their economic meaning is changing. The liquidity surplus in Russian banks for the first time exceeded the level of 4,5 trillion rubles. This is a completely different situation than before, when there was not enough money here (we bought more than sold), and they were also taken out of the hill. Now (for the first time in many years) it is possible to lend to other countries without prejudice to our economy.
                2. 0
                  28 January 2019 09: 43
                  And all Putin’s ???)))
        2. 0
          23 January 2019 22: 45
          Appendage to your nightmare:
          June 1987 !!! The year the hunchback came to Vladivostok (July 1986!). Orders for the Border Troops of the KGB of the USSR: the essence of "... border detachments on the contested parts of the border and territory of the People's Republic of China - DO NOT SEND!"; "... the Chinese who enter the contested areas of our territory for household purposes - DO NOT RETAIN!" And my outpost in Grodekovsky PO, exactly on the site challenged by the Chinese! I wrote down half of the special notebook for reading orders! So, back in 1986, the hunchback agreed with the PRC !!! And the Chinese resident, Pu Ting, has just completed the "started", but with what pomp!
        3. +3
          23 January 2019 22: 50
          Sylvester, why are you once again copying nonsense?)) Like a printer, by golly. These two micro-islands the size of a toilet in a room were already behind China, and not from the 91st, but from the beginning of the 70s after a short time after the conflict on Damansky. By the way, Damansky has long been gone, this piece in the channel of the Amur Sinanthropus finally fell asleep a couple of decades ago, because he had been under water for a part of the year. But we, like China, at the end of the 19th century, took away the gigantic territories, DECREASING THEM BELOW THE SKIRT, so they wiped themselves off. Because FORCE IS RUSSIAN, and the Chinese can only swallowlaughing.
      3. +9
        23 January 2019 17: 25
        Quote: user1212

        Come on, the Japanese, then "ours" then raised a storm. There were even rallies. Now they will say that Putin of a rally of 300 people got scared and canceled everything. It is their fashion now to write nonsense, hold a rally, or even limit themselves to a single picket, and when the Peskovs officially refute the nonsense to declare that “the rally / picket is working and all the good fellows, they are the authorities and all that”

        Do you think that it was in vain that the "butch" was raised? Well, answer me a simple question - why then all these multi-round negotiations, if it is already clear that we will not give up the islands, and the Japanese will not sign an agreement without the islands? Do not try, you will not find the answer if you reject the possibility of transferring the islands to the Japanese. And I suppose that there is a bargaining. What price does Putin want to take from the Japanese, apart from signing a peace treaty, for Shikotan and Habomai.
        1. +2
          23 January 2019 18: 36
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          if it’s so clear that we won’t give up the islands,

          start with this
          And I believe that there is a bidding. 0

          that's it. there will be no agreement while sasha is there
          What price does Putin want to charge the Japanese, besides signing a peace treaty, for Shikotan and Habomai.

          remove sash bases
          1. 0
            23 January 2019 21: 02
            Quote: widower

            that's it. there will be no agreement while sasha is there

            I agree that there will be no contract. But then why this performance with negotiations?
            That is, you did not answer my question. Why did you try? To justify, it’s not clear what, negotiations?
            1. +1
              23 January 2019 21: 30
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              But then why this performance with negotiations?

              but where did you get the idea that the negotiations were about the islands ?????
              Well, tell me who told you this, what does the GDP say about islands for hours ????
              what are you fixated on one question ????
              1. 0
                23 January 2019 21: 38
                Quote: widower
                Well, tell me who told you this, what does the GDP say about islands for hours ????

                But I’m not saying that Putin is talking about Taldychit islands. This is Abe talking about them. And Putin is talking about the price. This is my, possibly erroneous, assumption. Otherwise, why these negotiations?
                1. +1
                  23 January 2019 21: 49
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And Putin is talking about the price.

                  which ????????
                  Well, at least it may come to someone to ESTIMATE ?????
                  CRIMEA can be estimated ?????
                  Ossetia and Abkhazia can be estimated ?????? where did you get the idea that GDP can SELL something ?????????????
                  for what "Poseidon" do ??? For TF !!! there will be no Islands, there will be no TF !!!!! well, turn on MOOOOSXXX !!!!!
                  1. 0
                    23 January 2019 23: 09
                    That's what I'm talking about. Islands have no price for us. Therefore, you need to include MOOOOXXX.
                    Answer the question - why negotiations? - For (initially) concluding a peace treaty! So or not? The position of Japan - give the islands and we will sign a peace treaty. (The loser in the war sets the conditions for the winner. Note that the winner is the United States, the Japanese have given their sovereignty. And the condition is set for us.)
                    Russia's position is to the figs, not the islands. Those. irresistible antagonism. What kind of dialogue can there be after that? It turns out maybe, but only if some side made concessions. Guess three times - which one? And if you recall how much territory was given to the Chinese (Putin), the shelf to the Americans (Gorbi and Shevardnadze), the shelf to the Norwegians (Medvedev).
                    As for the price, Sylvester answered my post and answered your question about the price.
                    1. +2
                      23 January 2019 23: 36
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      That's what I'm talking about. Islands have no price for us.

                      to the magician belay
                      I say NO PRICES !!
                      Just haven't !!!
                      Well, how I turned it over ....
                      It turns out maybe, but only if some side made concessions. Guess three times - which one?

                      Japan. already 70 years old
                      What are the concessions ?????
                      Where are the concessions ???????
                      have already given up ?????
                      As for the price, Sylvester answered my post and answered your question about the price.

                      I will not repeat
                      here is the answer to Sylvester. not mine but i will quote
                      Sylvester, why are you once again copying nonsense?)) Like a printer, by golly. These two micro-islands the size of a toilet in a room were already behind China, and not from the 91st, but from the beginning of the 70s after a short time after the conflict on Damansky. By the way, Damansky has long been gone, this piece in the channel of the Amur Sinanthropus finally fell asleep a couple of decades ago, because he had been under water for a part of the year. But we, like China, at the end of the 19th century, took away the gigantic territories, DECREASING THEM BELOW THE SKIRT, so they wiped themselves off. Because the FORCE IS RUSSIAN, and the Chinese can only swallow.

                      Tell about the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?
                      1. 0
                        23 January 2019 23: 47
                        Quote: widower

                        Japan. already 70 years old
                        What are the concessions ?????
                        Where are the concessions ???????
                        have already given up ?????

                        It's not over yet! Negotiations are underway! On what basis? Based on the '56 Declaration'! That Putin pulled out of the dusty closet, not Abe! Why not on the basis of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, in which the Japanese renounce all claims to the islands?
                        Believe me, I’m no less than yours, I do not want any transfer of the islands at any price, but the logic of the events makes me worry about the fate of the islands.
                      2. +1
                        24 January 2019 00: 02
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Which Putin pulled out of a dusty closet

                        Putin arrived in Tokyo ?????????????
                        Russia raised a question ?????
                        why not on the basis of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, in which the Japanese renounce all claims to the islands?

                        so this is all based on !!! we do not quench them !!!! GDP does not swear on the graves !!!!
                        but the logic of the events makes me worry about the fate of the islands.

                        Well, what is the logic?
                        only I speak about islands islands ????
                        Well, not a word about the return of GDP did not say !!!
                        Well, the liberals are THINKING UP !!!! and yapo media !!!!
                      3. 0
                        24 January 2019 10: 37
                        Quote: widower
                        Well, not a word about the return of GDP did not say !!!

                        Your untruth. You, as I understand it, are not in the subject at all.
                        1. The "Declaration" says about the possible transfer of the islands. And it was Putin who pulled it out of the archive. For what purpose? I could have pulled out the San Francisco Treaty, but did not. Why? You can even say - for what purpose did you not pull it out?
                        2. About the transfer of the islands said Sands. Do you know this?
                        3. Lavrov said bluntly - Russia can, under certain conditions, transfer Shikotan and Khabomai.
                        Is that what I came up with? Or do you think that Peskov and Lavrov are scratching their tongues without asking Putin?
                        Study the topic, and then enter into an argument.
                    2. 0
                      28 January 2019 09: 53
                      Read the 56th Declaration ... And the Japanese insist on negotiations based on the declaration. Ours in response say that it is not against negotiations, but first of all a peace treaty (by declaration) and then it will be seen. Will there be a goodwill gesture from Russia ....
                  2. 0
                    24 January 2019 01: 21
                    Quote: widower
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    And Putin is talking about the price.

                    which ????????
                    Well, at least it may come to someone to ESTIMATE ?????
                    CRIMEA can be estimated ?????
                    Ossetia and Abkhazia can be estimated ?????? where did you get the idea that GDP can SELL something ?????????????

                    Well, for example, Peter I at the time did not only conquer the Baltic states from the Swedes, but also bought them.
                    On the Nishtad peace of 1721.

                    For 2 million "efimks". This is about 60 tons of silver, which was equal to the annual budget of Sweden and half of the annual budget of Russia.

                    source: Complete collection of laws of the Russian Empire. T. 6. St. Petersburg., 1830, № 3819
                    http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/184-t-6-1720-1722-1830#mode/inspect/page/428/zoom/8
                    p. 424 - 435
        2. -1
          23 January 2019 20: 16
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          What price does Putin want to charge the Japanese, besides signing a peace treaty, for Shikotan and Habomai.

          Japan’s complete rejection of further territorial claims, Japan’s billiards to invest in Russia, its help in balancing the growing role of China in the region. In addition, a peace treaty providing non-aggression guarantees would undermine military cooperation between the United States and Japan and could counterbalance Washington’s attempts to isolate Russia economically. Somewhere like that.
          1. +3
            23 January 2019 22: 34
            Quote: Silvestr
            providing non-aggression guarantees,

            Japan to Russia ???? belay
            NG and Baptism seem to have passed
          2. +4
            23 January 2019 22: 49
            Quote: Silvestr
            Japan's total rejection of further territorial claims


            It’s immediately obvious that you are very weak in the subject. The transfer of the islands under Japanese conditions will not close but will just open the territorial issue. And the Japanese will demand not 2 islands but all the Kuril Islands and part of Sakhalin.

            Quote: Silvestr
            billions of Japan to invest in Russia


            It is immediately clear that you are very weak in the subject - 2. I read you and I understand that you have read the "liberals". Why would the Japanese suddenly commit themselves to investing billions in our Far East? For 70 years they have not recognized the terms of their own surrender, putting forward territorial claims of the USSR and Russia, but do you think that they will not pay "billions"? Are you really that naive or are you just trolling? Write it down somewhere so you don't forget: the Japanese consider these islands to be theirs. And they won't pay anything for them. :)

            Quote: Silvestr
            its assistance in balancing the growing role of China in the region.

            And what is this role? Japan is in a state of permanent economic crisis, its political and military potential is close to zero, investment activity is several times lower than Chinese. What can she balance? She herself hopes for US bases so that at least someone balances China with her. :)

            Quote: Silvestr
            would undermine military cooperation between the United States and Japan and could counterbalance Washington’s attempts to isolate Russia economically


            You made me an evening :) Relations between Japan and the USA are not cooperation, it is vassality. Under the 1960 treaty, the United States has the right to deploy any amount of forces and equipment in Japan at its bases without consultation and permission from Japan. 20% of Okinawa is simply occupied by the United States. No peace treaty with Russia will affect the US military presence in Japan, much less undermine it. Japan simply cannot refuse the US military presence. They don’t ask her at all in Washington.

            But Japan has already joined the economic "isolation" of Russia, which does not mean anything at all, since it is the only country in Southeast Asia.
        3. +3
          23 January 2019 20: 57
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Well, answer me a simple question - why then all these multi-round negotiations,

          the answer is simple. Well, do not need a soldier in the trench to know what the general was planning. it’s just that the general has MORE information than the soldier in the trench.
          and he does not have to tell EVERYTHING to the soldier.
          where did you get the idea that for several hours there was a conversation about the ISLANDS ???
          1. -3
            23 January 2019 21: 14
            Quote: widower

            the answer is simple. Well, do not need a soldier in the trench to know what the general was planning. it’s just that the general has MORE information than the soldier in the trench.

            Yes, the main thing is that the soldier be a pawn in the general games.
            Quote: widower

            where did you get the idea that for several hours there was a conversation about the ISLANDS ???

            And I don’t say that about the islands. I say that there is a conversation about the price.
            Those who dream of using these islands: 1. Remove the US military bases from Japan, 2. Drive a "wedge" in relations between the US and Japan, 3. Destroy the military alliance between the US and Japan - naive dreamers.
            1. +3
              23 January 2019 21: 34
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Yes, the main thing is that the soldier be a pawn in the general games.

              Are all the soldiers in FERZI?
              I say that there is a conversation about the price.

              who told you about this? translator? where infa ??? You told your dream ???
              Those who dream of using these islands: 1. Remove the US military bases from Japan, 2. Drive a "wedge" in relations between the US and Japan, 3. Destroy the military alliance between the US and Japan - naive dreamers.

              here is the answer. VEGETABLE them and not the island
              1. 0
                28 January 2019 10: 45
                Quote: widower
                Are all the soldiers in FERZI?

                Of course not. But the soldier has the right to know and be sure that he was not betrayed by the "generals".
                Here I am, unlike you who blindly believe our "generals", I want to know - why bargaining.
                After all: - our position (official, but it may also be unofficial) - a peace treaty and no islands. The Japanese position is first the islands, then the treaty.
                Those. two mutually exclusive positions. It would seem - all that can be discussed?
                But negotiations are ongoing. And if they go, then there is bargaining. And since there is bargaining, that is, price. And the price is at least an island with an archipelago (Habomai).
                What could be unclear here?
        4. +3
          23 January 2019 21: 44
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Do you think that it was in vain that the "butch" was raised?

          I believe that on the topic of the islands a lot of people are PR and care not from the integrity of the state, but from those political dividends that they can get from this. People are fighting for a place at the feeding trough
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          why then all these multi-round negotiations

          This is the manner of Lavrov, long known. He believes that a better dialogue is ineffective than no dialogue at all.
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And I believe that there is a bargain. What price does Putin want to charge the Japanese, besides signing a peace treaty, for Shikotan and Habomai.

          The Japanese have nothing to offer from the word at all
          1. 0
            28 January 2019 10: 49
            Quote: user1212
            The Japanese have nothing to offer from the word at all

            Well, why - a peace treaty, which, with some fright (?), Is so sought by Putin.
        5. 0
          23 January 2019 22: 53
          Krasnoyarsk - where did you get the slow ignitionsmile?
          why then all these multi-round negotiations
          - everyone has long understood, but for you I repeat:
          1.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/61988.html
          2.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/63613.html
          1. -1
            24 January 2019 01: 58
            Quote: Sarmat Sanych
            Krasnoyarsk - where did you get the slow ignitionsmile?
            why then all these multi-round negotiations
            - everyone has long understood, but for you I repeat:
            1.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/61988.html
            2.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/63613.html


            These articles are a wonderful example of "changing shoes in the air".

            Summary of Article Number 1 -
            ... this is enough not to rush into the emotional conclusions that Vladimir Putin allegedly started the phased preparation of the transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan. There is absolutely no reason for such a hasty conclusion.
            November 24, 2018

            Threat. I don’t even know what musical refrain it was written under.
            Either "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" - Or "Everything is calm in Baghdad." wassat / sarcasm /

            Summary of Article Number 2 -
            So, we can quite agree. Yes, at the cost of two islands, who himself saw them on the map, are rather insignificant in comparison with the prospect of concluding a final peace treaty. The main thing is that the ice has broken. The rest is technical details.
            January 21 2019

            Threat. But in this article, the author twitches.
            Not Japan is in line for Russian energy resources.
            This "Great Power of Raw Materials" is looking for markets for both gas and electricity.
            Moreover, China is showing less interest in their purchase.
            1. +2
              24 January 2019 03: 33
              At least you didn't write nonsense)). What the hell is "changing shoes" if you yourself change shoes in the process of one commentsmile? China annually increases its purchases of our oil and gas, with double-digit growth as a percentage. Yes, Europe and Japan are also constantly increasing their purchases of Russian energy carriers, and this is not only oil but also oil products, petrochemicals, coal, highly enriched uranium (Rosatom is the planet’s global monopolist in this field) and gas including LNG, which is a product with higher added value. Now the Amur Gas Processing Plant is being completed - SECOND IN THE WORLD BY VOLUME OF PRODUCTION; nothing like this was built either in the USSR or in China. By the way, in terms of liquefaction technologies, Russia has already completely caught up with the world leader - Qatar, and ahead of cost due to the low temperatures of Sabetta. There is a full hi-tech, I work with SGM and Stroytransgaz, so I know what I'm saying.
              And with regards to the combination with the stupid Abe, Putin masterfully spread it and he no offense, donkey and markov went with a banggood... I think there will be no questions left here, and with a strong desire: https://www.kommersant.ru/amp/3860828?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=amplifr_social&__twitter_impression=true
              1. -2
                24 January 2019 13: 39
                Sarmat Sanych (Sergey) Today, 03:33
                At least you wouldn't write nonsense)). What the hell is "changing shoes" if you yourself change shoes during one comment?

                This nonsense is not written by me - these are quotes from the last paragraphs of articles to which you refer.
                You can clearly see the turn in the direction of propaganda - first "who said that we are giving up?", And two months later - "well, what are two insignificant islands."

                Amur Gas Processing Plant is being completed - SECOND WORLD IN VOLUME OF ISSUE

                That's it, and where are you going to put its products? There were also plans to supply electricity to Japan.
                But our desire to sell is not enough, we also need to buy it - and the competition in the market of energy sellers is fierce and the conditions (at this stage) are dictated by the buyer, not the seller.
                So a "carrot" appeared in the form of two islands.
                1. +1
                  24 January 2019 18: 29
                  As you read, I already understoodsmile. It seems only you got the impression of changing shoes. But the point is the outcome, and they are, as they say on the table. Regarding AGPZ, its products were contracted for years to come, and not only by foreign buyers. Plus, given the difficult situation with the largest domestic producer of inert gases, Cryogenmash, AGPZ will compensate for the lost volumes for Russian customers - Roskosmos, the Ministry of Defense, Rosatom, fuel and energy companies, etc. The demand market for these products is growing in the world faster than almost any other product, it can only lag behind REM.
              2. -1
                28 January 2019 11: 07
                Quote: Sarmat Sanych

                And with regards to the combination with the stupid Abe, Putin masterfully bred him, and that no offense, the donkey and the marking went to hurray good.

                Well, he circled, but where is the profit from this "divorce"? The peace treaty that Putin is so eager for (and what the hell is he needed by and large) have the Japanese already signed? Or did investments flow like a river? Or maybe you gave us some fucking technology?
                Sarmat, where is the result? !!
                1. -1
                  29 January 2019 06: 48
                  Investments for specific projects have increased significantly, although this is not the case. It is important that Russia not only has not lost ANYTHING from these negotiations, but has gained quite well. Now questions are being raised about Japan's withdrawal from the Western sanctions coalition, the inexpediency of new missile defense elements in Japan, and much more, including the gas pipeline to Hokaido and the financing of the fourth stage of YAMAL LNG and the bridge to Sakhalin by samurai - questions worth tens of billions of dollars. At the same time, those who read the "Agreements of 1956" - understands that Yaposha is unable to fulfill them THEORETICALLY. In short, Russia can at least endlessly throw its claims and wishes to the Japs, all of them, one way or another, are either put into the outline of the Agreement (and this is not only the withdrawal of nafig from its territory of all Amer bases) or will be regarded as proof by Japan of its commitment to economic cooperation, but violate sanctions unity with the West. During this time, Japanese investments and technology transfer will gradually increase (which is already being observed), the method of carrots in front of a donkey clearly sets ingood.
                  1. -1
                    29 January 2019 12: 50
                    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                    During this time, Japanese investment and technology transfer will gradually increase (which is already observed), the carrot method clearly comes in front of a donkey good.

                    Yes!!! Observed !!! And the proof to all your delirium is yavl. that the Japanese refused to supply us with carbon fiber !! As a result, Medvedev is forced to allocate an additional 21 lard rubles for the MS-1,5! Putin carrot gave a stunning result.
                    You remind me of the wife whom the husband is pounding, and she covered herself with her hand and looks out from under her and thinks - but what a beautiful one!
                    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                    I didn’t lose negotiations, but I got some good ones. Now questions are already being raised about Japan's withdrawal from the sanctioned Western coalition, the inexpediency of new elements of missile defense in Japan, and

                    These questions will be raised a thousand years until the Americans allow the Japanese to lift the sanctions. If you are not even able to understand this, then what else can you talk about?
                    1. 0
                      29 January 2019 22: 56
                      Put everything in a heap, mix, sprinkle and give outlaughing. A good method, I often watch it on the Internetsmile. Japanese investments in Russia and our exports to Japan Grew NUMBERS, questions? At the same time, Japanese imports to Russia did not grow, i.e., japs ​​work according to our conditions. Further, there is only one Japanese company from those two carbon fiber companies and it did NOT ANNOUNCE any suspensions, and as a fact, you are citing news from the yellow press. With regard to import substitution, it’s all the more excellent, it’s practically not going to shift the deadlines, and the effect is obvious. By the way, if someone tells me about the inefficiency of import substitution in general, I recommend that you take an interest in the size of the Russian foreign trade balance in 2018 - it is a record for all post-Soviet time, more than $ 200 billion, and primarily because of a decrease in imports for those goods for which import substitution programs work well for us: road-building machinery, food, oil and gas and energy equipment, and pharmaceuticals.
                      PS The rest of your lamentations of the grandmother from the burnt house do not see the point of commenting.
                      1. 0
                        29 January 2019 23: 38
                        [quote = Sarmat Sanych] Japanese investments in Russia and our exports to Japan GREW IN NUMBERS, any questions? [/ quote]
                        In numbers, they may have grown, I don’t know. But I would be interested to know where exactly, in which sectors, did Japanese investment go after the appearance of the notorious carrot?
                        And what Russian goods exported to Japan after the appearance of this carrot?
                        [quote = Sarmat Sanych] Next, out of those two carbon fiber companies, only one is Japanese, and it has NOT DECLARED any suspensions, and you are already citing news from the yellow press as a fact [/ quote]
                        1. Yes, indeed, carbon fiber for the MS-21 was supplied by 2 firms. American and Japanese. And both stopped supplying.
                        2. I must upset you - the yellow press, about which you say that I get information from there, read both in the government and the developers of the MS-21. Moreover, they not only read it, they also make decisions on the information received from the "yellow press". Medvedev won 1.5 lard rub. allocated additional funds for MS-21. With what fright? And from this - Japanese and American carbon fiber must be replaced with something. The design bureau even has a question of replacing the "black wing" with a metal one. And this, as you understand, is a complete recalculation of the entire fuselage. Here is such a carrot. By the way, all this infa is on the internet. And you, having poorly familiarized yourself with it, begin to skit my brain.
                        [quote = Sarmat Sanych] press. With regards to import substitution, this is all the more excellent, it practically will not shift the timing, but the effect is obvious. [/ quote]
                        You tell about the terms to the employees of the Design Bureau, who have to recount the entire MS-21 in connection with the replacement of carbon fiber with another material.
                        [quote = Sarmat Sanych] I recommend inquiring about the size of the Russian foreign trade balance for 2018 - it is a record for the entire post-Soviet period, more than $ 200 billion, quote]
                        And how did this 200 lard balance affect the Russian economy?
                        How did it affect the lives of citizens? Oh yes, yes, the housing and communal services has grown again, the price of gasoline has grown, the interest rate on loans has increased. What else? Where else is the improvement?
                        There Chubais is eating something on electricity. Did not hear?
                        Take off the pink glasses. I want no less than yours to make it the way you paint here. But one must look at reality with sober eyes. So that bitter disappointment does not come later.
                      2. -1
                        30 January 2019 02: 04
                        Krasnoyarsk, honestly tired of arguing, I tell you the numbers - you are emotions, I write facts - you still feel bad. I’m not saying evil, believe me, I think you are a good person, just with brute force pissimism. In composites, Russia can no worse than any country in the world, so the wing will be done on time.
                        What has grown over the year, housing and communal services by 5% and gasoline per ruble? I agree, and I'm not happy, but prices are growing every year, who is surprised? Moreover, the last 2 years the lowest inflation in 28 years - 4%. Although even in the so dearly beloved on the website "socialist" Belarus (my small homeland) the annual inflation rate is 10-15 percent, I do not mention the rest of the CIS.
                        How was the record balance reflected? I don’t know, maybe on the fact that over the past year the Russians bought 80 million square meters of housing and under 2 million only new cars - well, not a million millionaires, but you buy it all yourself. Maybe this balance was reflected in the record tourist flow of Russians to Russian resorts - under twenty million compatriots rested domestically.
                        The reason the argument is meaningless is the story with the glass that is 50% full if the roofing felts are half empty. I’ll send you pictures of shopping malls on the weekend, which it’s impossible to park with your family, hundreds of SUVs are busy, and you will answer me with a photo of some destroyed plant - and we will both be right.
                        Sincerely.
                      3. 0
                        30 January 2019 11: 20
                        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                        In composites, Russia can no worse than any country in the world, so the wing will be done on time.

                        Forgive me, but this is a clinic. I will explain.
                        1. Russia produces carbon fiber "no worse than any country in the world"
                        Question - why then did Russia buy carbon fiber from the USA and Japan?
                        There are two answers to this question - a) Russian carbon fiber is worse than Japanese and US carbon fiber and therefore purchased from them. In this regard, your message - "can do no worse than any country" turns out to be false.
                        b) If you are all the same right and Russia really "knows no worse than ...", then there is a fact of corruption.
                        What do you like more? And, one more thing, is it emotions, or is it still logic?
                        To justify the rise in prices by the fact that they "grow every year" is, you know ... I will not use foul language.
                        And an even more miserable excuse for the poor life of the people - so the neighbors live even worse - this is ....
                        I am not a pessimist, I am a realist. In any case, I try to be one.
                        Pessimist - not worth it !!!
                        An optimist - but how it hangs !!!
                        Realist - yes, hanging, but I know what needs to be done to stand.
          2. -1
            28 January 2019 11: 01
            Quote: Sarmat Sanych
            Krasnoyarsk - where did you get the slow ignitionsmile?
            why then all these multi-round negotiations
            - everyone has long understood, but for you I repeat:
            1.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/61988.html
            2.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/63613.html

            Well, what clever did Chaldean tell you with his article? What does Putin know all about the islands? And you didn’t even know about it? Oh! To know this, I did not have to read Chaldean's article.
            There is nothing more to talk about. "Freeman" in the post below said everything perfectly.
            1. -1
              29 January 2019 06: 27
              Then read again, what else can I advise you?)) In these materials, all the answers are given to competent people in these materials. Not to mention the analytics in the Kommersant article. And at "Free Opera" only with a pitchfork on the water, it makes sense to comment on this.
    3. +4
      23 January 2019 16: 21
      drive a wedge into the Japan-US security alliance.
      Japan has forgotten the nuclear attacks on its country.
      1. 0
        23 January 2019 18: 08
        Quote: Wend
        Japan has forgotten nuclear attacks on its country

        Well, it's not in vain that they say "Beats means loves"
        1. +2
          23 January 2019 18: 27
          Quote: alma
          Quote: Wend
          Japan has forgotten nuclear attacks on its country

          Well, it's not in vain that they say "Beats means loves"

          So, American soldiers still differ in the unpunished rape of Japanese women.
      2. +2
        23 January 2019 20: 22
        And in their history lessons they don't say that the Americans threw bombs. They say something like: "The USSR entered the war against Japan on August 8th. Nuclear bombs were dropped on Japanese cities."
      3. 0
        28 January 2019 10: 04
        Modern Japan does not know about these events. There is nothing to forget.
    4. -3
      23 January 2019 16: 33
      Everything is expected, our MTD as children of small Japs rolls. And this is normal:
      1.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/61988.html
      2.http: //www.iarex.ru/articles/61929.html
    5. 0
      23 January 2019 19: 22
      It seems that they believed narrow-eyed. laughing
    6. +4
      23 January 2019 20: 26
      About the carrots, the Japanese only got it ?! What thoughtful and cruel people! With their statements to the local defeatists, they strike at the very heart!
  2. +14
    23 January 2019 15: 58
    Let him continue to drink tea before dinner. smile We do not mind.
    1. +4
      23 January 2019 17: 43
      Quote: Rusland
      Let him continue to drink tea before dinner. smile We do not mind.

      Hey. hi . Of course, drinking tea is good and calm when a carrot hangs over you. But if a nuclear warhead hangs over you (there is a fact of use), then sake, in large quantities, will not help laughing

      1. +1
        23 January 2019 17: 51
        Good health hi Historically, they were "idle", and now they are engaged in gathering on a pebble. smile Yes, even on the back of the Americans slammed.
  3. +5
    23 January 2019 16: 01
    However poor Abe would have made himself a hara-kiri for his oaths.
    1. +4
      23 January 2019 16: 05
      Seppuku cases were often encountered in the 1970th century (for example, the suicide of one of the most significant Japanese writers of the second half of the XNUMXth century, Yukio Mishima in XNUMX), and each such case was met with the hidden approval of the nation, creating a halo with respect to some seppuku people glory and grandeur. (Wikipedia).
    2. +3
      23 January 2019 16: 06
      Quote: Primipilus
      However poor Abe would have made himself a hara-kiri for his oaths.

      Well, let’s say he’ll break his stomach, but whoever cuts off his head, Putin or something. belay
      1. +2
        23 January 2019 16: 11
        If Abe does not succeed with the Kuril Islands, there all of Japan in line will chop his head.
        1. +1
          23 January 2019 18: 09
          It seems not only Japan. lol
    3. +3
      23 January 2019 16: 06
      In this case, we bring condolences to the Japanese people. smile
    4. +4
      23 January 2019 16: 07
      Red, flaky, carrots on your collar)))
    5. 0
      23 January 2019 19: 23
      I’d do well, I would be glad. laughing
    6. +3
      23 January 2019 19: 50
      Quote: Primipilus
      poor Abe would not have made himself a hara-kiri for his oaths.

      laughing And there with promises "everything is not so simple" (Crimean., daughter-officer., outdated.) He, as a hereditary politician, promised his citizens only CLOSE THE QUESTION. Yes Thus, it turns out that a negative result is also a result. Shinzo-san will come out to the electorate and say in a human voice: “Dear Japanese, as I promised, I closed the issue with the“ northern territories. ”Forever. We were finally sent and asked not to return. So, we will have for ourselves, loved ones, pour a couple. " laughing
  4. +4
    23 January 2019 16: 07
    The Japanese face Stockholm syndrome. Being the actual hostages of the United States after their atomic bombing in 1945, the Japanese also passionately fell in love with the Americans, and are ready to engage in engagement with them at least every day. Therefore, the transfer of at least an inch of the Russian territory of Japan is its transfer to the US for use with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. +1
      23 January 2019 18: 08
      And clearly expressed.
    2. +2
      23 January 2019 19: 54
      Quote: 1536
      The Japanese face Stockholm syndrome.

      It's more like "Hiroshima Syndrome". Yes They are the only ones who survived the atomic bombing. Apparently, the side effect is such that those who were bombed are imbued with tender feelings for those who bombed, and after that they completely forget that someone bombed them. fellow And in vain ...
  5. 0
    23 January 2019 16: 08
    I believe that Mr. Putin poses a territorial problem as if he had hung an alluring carrot in front of Mr. Abe. Its main goal is to drive a wedge into the Japan-US security alliance
    Well, now the Japanese "experts" have begun to understand what's what ...
    1. -1
      23 January 2019 16: 46
      Quote: Less
      I believe that Mr. Putin poses a territorial problem as if he had hung an alluring carrot in front of Mr. Abe. Its main goal is to drive a wedge into the Japan-US security alliance
      Well, now the Japanese "experts" have begun to understand what's what ...

      They just so allegorically called their prime minister "donkey". Before which they hung a carrot and use it skillfully. When and if it comes to the "donkey" his reaction will probably be violent, but if these two make the citizens of the Russian Federation a "donkey", then what will be written in VO.
      1. +1
        23 January 2019 18: 08
        Very correctly noticed, you can’t call a donkey directly. lol
  6. 0
    23 January 2019 16: 15
    What the Japanese media is writing is not at all obvious. The Japanese media are like "Manga", and all these professors are reminiscent of Nakamura-San from the TV series "Gangster St. Petersburg". That is, "not quite in the subject." The brigadier still came up with an idea, and let the Abe-Kishi clan think it over ...
  7. +2
    23 January 2019 16: 16
    he has a manic desire to get into Japanese history, as a collector of their lands)
    1. +2
      23 January 2019 16: 23
      He is not the first, not the last. Romania wants to collect Moldavia, and Poroshenko "Thomas". Albania Kosovo. Only about these countries, no one will remember. And Abe (if he succeeds) the Japanese will always remember until the processors burn out feel
      1. +1
        23 January 2019 18: 07
        This is the work of politicians to say, but not all that can do it.
  8. 0
    23 January 2019 16: 22
    and what did they expect that in response to their blah, blah, blah, Putin will present them islands on a silver platter ...
  9. 0
    23 January 2019 16: 26
    Nakamura says that Vladimir Putin is not going to transfer “disputed territories”
    Do they only understand professors?

    I suppose that Mr. Putin poses a territorial problem as if he hung an inviting carrot in front of Mr. Abe. His main goal is to drive a wedge into the security alliance of Japan and the USA.
    how is it interesting? here the "alluring carrot" is unlikely to help
  10. +2
    23 January 2019 16: 31
    Amazing! Even if you just imagine that the Japanese will achieve striped care from their bases, there is no guarantee that they will not return there the next day. Holding their breath, the Chinese are also waiting for the striped to fall. Fuss will continue for a long time and nothing will change.
    1. +2
      23 January 2019 18: 06
      Quote: shura7782
      Amazing! Even if you just imagine that the Japanese will achieve striped care from their bases.


      No one will believe this; the United States can be removed only by eliminating them as a state.
      1. 0
        24 January 2019 07: 19
        The Japanese introduced themselves into a vicious circle.
  11. +4
    23 January 2019 16: 39
    Quote: Evdokim
    Quote: Primipilus
    However poor Abe would have made himself a hara-kiri for his oaths.

    Well, let’s say he’ll break his stomach, but whoever cuts off his head, Putin or something. belay

    Our three-fingered man promised that he would lie on the rails, and instead he urinated on the plane’s wheel ... And this one, though he used his tongue and tongue, did not announce the show with sepuk.
    1. +1
      23 January 2019 18: 04
      It’s hard for politicians to understand and read not in the text ...
    2. +1
      23 January 2019 19: 26
      Quote: mavrus
      but the show with sepuka was not announced.

      but striped in the Kremlin populated. don't remember
    3. +1
      23 January 2019 20: 53
      Some of the "young reformers" wrote in their memoirs that in the early 90s, Yeltsin met with someone from the Japanese government. Fucked up by the power that fell on him, he swelled up so much that he wanted to give up the entire ridge. Here the Japanese are already crazy, because they realized that if they sign it, then first there will be a coup d'etat and Yeltsin will be thrown out of the Kremlin, not the fact that in general, and then they will sweep away all the Japanese who rush to settle the islands. Well, in short, the case was hushed up, ebn was sent to sleep it off, he did not remember later.
  12. +1
    23 January 2019 16: 47
    Our GDP will push the foreheads of the USA and Japan, two small islands.
  13. 0
    23 January 2019 16: 54
    If someone in Japan seems to have little carrots, they can add cabbage with radish or horseradish, and at the same time they fully explain the meaning of the word horseradish.
  14. +1
    23 January 2019 17: 22
    The Japanese directly said that they do not need a peace treaty without islands! That is, a peace treaty is not needed, islands are needed
    1. +1
      23 January 2019 18: 03
      There, the United States dictates what to do in Japan.
  15. -4
    23 January 2019 17: 23
    In this situation, only Abe turned out to be adequate people, and the patriots of Russia, who considered that Putin would give up the islands. Because there is such a thing as elementary logic. If Putin knows very well that without transferring the islands to the Japanese, they will never sign a peace treaty, Abe suggested signing it, then the only logical conclusion follows that he agrees to the transfer of the islands.
    And Putin and the Russian "hurray-patriots" dealt with Abe absolutely boorishly, once again proving why they had "enemies all around".
    1. +3
      23 January 2019 18: 02
      It is very difficult to understand your logic, especially the conclusions.
      1. -1
        23 January 2019 18: 20
        Well, explain what the difficulty is for you. For adequate people, everything was simple - if the Japanese never agreed to a peace treaty without transferring the islands to them, and Putin suggested that they sign a peace treaty, it either means that Putin is inadequate, or that he agreed to give the islands back.
        Therefore, the Japanese began to act after Putin’s offer as if they had already been promised islands.
        1. +5
          23 January 2019 18: 26
          Putin invited them to sign an agreement without any conditions, right before the end of 2018, and that’s all, the rest is no more than their speculations and Wishlist.
          1. 0
            23 January 2019 18: 32
            Yes, if so, then the Japanese would never have gone to negotiations. And if they had gone and signed this peace treaty without requiring the transfer of the islands to them. And they did NOT sign.
            Again, this is logic inaccessible to Putin's "hurray-patriot".
            1. +2
              23 January 2019 19: 30
              Difficult with you or you have not yet reached the age of majority ..., I immediately tell you - I do not minus.
              1. +3
                23 January 2019 19: 59
                Quote: cniza
                Difficult with you or you have not yet reached the age of majority ..

                Victor, here is the first option. Yes laughing Moreover, the level of "complexity" sometimes rolls over. In short, it's a misfortune, quite a disaster ... wassat
                1. 0
                  23 January 2019 20: 13
                  Alexander, I understood this, but I’m not comfortable with the weaker sex. lol
            2. +1
              23 January 2019 19: 36
              Quote: tatra
              Again, this is logic inaccessible to Putin's "hurray-patriot".

              simple. the bald promise of communism did not sign, the battleship, Putin will not sign
        2. 0
          23 January 2019 19: 34
          Quote: tatra
          -if the Japanese never agreed to a peace treaty without transferring the islands to them, and Putin invited them to sign a peace treaty

          into a sharpie))) Che did not add, WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS))))
          that Putin is inadequate

          it is time for him to tell everything like trump in the internet ??????
          adequateyyyyyy what are you doing on the internet ????????? forward to power !!!!! show the classes !!! or is it still missing something under the skull? belay
          yes let them lead as they want !!! so much as you fall asleep head in manure !!!
          if you are a PATRIOT of Russia, why do you believe the Japanese ???? But why?????
    2. +1
      23 January 2019 19: 28
      Quote: tatra
      then the only logical conclusion that he agrees to the transfer of the islands.

      then the only logical conclusion follows that he agrees to the transfer of the islands.

      why didn’t you give it up before? belay
    3. +1
      23 January 2019 20: 44
      Quote: tatra
      In this situation, only Abe turned out to be adequate people, and the patriots of Russia

      got a residence permit in japia?
      eyes not cut?
      bow back belt did not get sick?
  16. +2
    23 January 2019 17: 26
    Well, the position of Russia initially on the problem of the southern ridge of the Kuril Islands was known to everyone and no one was planning to transfer these territories to Japan, in that Abe himself was deceived and misled others purely by his problem!
    1. +1
      23 January 2019 18: 01
      Politics, elections and other tinsel.
  17. kpd
    0
    23 January 2019 17: 28
    "The Security Alliance of Japan and the United States" - this must be understood as: the United States will not bomb its bases, and therefore as long as there are US bases in Japan, is it safe?
    1. +3
      23 January 2019 18: 00
      This means that Japan is under US occupation.
  18. +2
    23 January 2019 17: 33
    Well, I don’t know what about the islands, but there’s already a lot of information on the net that rich Russia, a good soul, will help the poor and poor Japan with money.
    As it became known from a press release received by the Coinlife editorial board, on the sidelines of the meeting between the head of the Russian state Vladimir Putin and the head of the cabinet of Japan Shinzo Abe, an agreement was reached on investments in the subsidiary bank of the Japanese SBI Holdings - Es-B-Bank. Funds for its development are ready to provide the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), as well as the Russian-Japanese Investment Fund. The latter organization became a joint "brainchild" of RDIF, Japan Bank for International Cooperation, as well as JBIC IG Partners.

    I draw your attention - investments are not loans - well, that is, they can not be given back if the investment bursts - these are called venture risks. In short, pensioners - your money - bye-bye. Already in Japan.
    1. +1
      23 January 2019 19: 39
      Quote: PASSED BY
      Received by Coinlife

      uncle, and who is Goebbelz to remind?
      and quote ukrosmi ?????
      Well, why believe the foreigners ???????
      themselves after all, on other vsetki their media ridicule !!!!!!!
  19. +1
    23 January 2019 17: 59
    “I do not understand why Abe believes that he will receive Shikotan and Habomai in exchange for the rejection of Kunashir and Iturup. On these islands are Russian border guards, Russian citizens live - only about 3 thousand people.



    They have repeatedly explained what they get, as in the classics ...
  20. +1
    23 January 2019 17: 59
    Why does Russia need this treaty. The islands can be operated together with Japan. Why did my wife's father free them from the Japanese invaders in 1945? Why did we not allow the United States, at their request, to create RSDN "Route - Laurent" base stations there? I already wrote about this, and DF Ustinov and I sent the US military delegation far away.
  21. +1
    23 January 2019 18: 12
    He begins to resemble Poroshenko
  22. +2
    23 January 2019 18: 28
    I suppose that Mr. Putin poses a territorial problem as if he hung an inviting carrot in front of Mr. Abe. His main goal is to drive a wedge into the security alliance of Japan and the USA.

    Well, firstly, Putin did not expose any territorial problems, we simply do not have them in the east. Second: But Mr. Nakamura has serious evidence to whom and when did the stripes provide security? Third: But the conclusion of a peace treaty can help establish closer and more extensive economic ties between our countries in the energy sector, in the field of high-tech mechanical engineering, in the food sector, and much more.
  23. +3
    23 January 2019 19: 00
    Yes, how many people can shake their nerves? If you are going to feed the Japanese with imaginary hope, why should the Russian media focus on "every cemetery promise"?
    Or is this another way to divert people's attention from more serious issues?
    1. 0
      23 January 2019 19: 41
      Quote: Runoway
      why should the Russian media focus on "

      who sharpens ?????? rain? echo???? Well, call the serious media ???? not lebrastny !!!!
      1. 0
        23 January 2019 20: 22
        On every channel in every news! Including TV programs with Peskov
        1. +1
          23 January 2019 20: 49
          Quote: Runoway
          On every channel in every news! Including TV programs with Peskov

          Well lay BLABABOL where it says that they are ready to GIVE the islands !!!!! I beg !!!!!!
          Well, where and who said that we give ?????????
  24. +1
    23 January 2019 19: 22
    And what does Abe hear about sepukka?
  25. +2
    23 January 2019 20: 05
    According to the agreement signed by Japan, I quote "Japan FOREVER refuses territorial claims"
    1. 0
      23 January 2019 20: 50
      Quote: Valdemar
      According to the agreement signed by Japan, I quote "Japan FOREVER refuses territorial claims"

      USELESS SPEAK !!!!
      rested that the GDP "leaked, sold everything" !!!!
      1. 0
        23 January 2019 23: 04
        USELESS SPEAK !!!!
        resisted that the GDP "leaked, sold everything"
        You are an amazing person) Are you by any chance from NOD? If Putin turns a blind eye to Chubais, Zolotov, Vasilyev and many others .. and Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov is sitting .. You do not resemble a hero from the KGB of cheap American militants. "What is your evidence"
        I see it, I don’t see ...
  26. 0
    23 January 2019 21: 05
    Quote: Silvestr

    Japan’s complete rejection of further territorial claims, Japan’s billiards to invest in Russia, its help in balancing the growing role of China in the region. In addition, a peace treaty providing non-aggression guarantees would undermine military cooperation between the United States and Japan and could counterbalance Washington’s attempts to isolate Russia economically. Somewhere like that.

    Those. Do you agree at such a price for the islands?
    Those. Did the "Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact" teach you anything? I mean your dreams of "non-aggression guarantees"
  27. 0
    23 January 2019 21: 08
    why the sites are full of the opinion of the Japanese, and do not ask the opinions of the Russians whose property they (the islands) are, just some money came in to create a certain position and, most importantly, the Kremlin really wants peace, but what are the hostilities going on? This crap got it, it's not the site, but the "rain" all around
    1. 0
      23 January 2019 21: 47
      Quote: 23424636
      why the sites are full of the opinion of the Japanese, and do not ask the opinions of the Russians whose property they (the islands) are, just some money came in to create a certain position and, most importantly, the Kremlin really wants peace, but what are the hostilities going on? This crap got it, it's not the site, but the "rain" all around

      Why so? Our opinion was asked, chesslovo! He voted. At that time, 89% were unanimous - a hole from a donut to them, not the island.
  28. -1
    23 January 2019 21: 15
    Did I miss something? Who changes what? A peace treaty is one thing, but asking Russia for a piece of its territory is another. The Japanese are confusing something. Contacted Hitler, were left without islands. They think the connection with America will help them with something? The United States, in a friendly way, has already thrown two atomic bombs on Japan, is it not enough?
    Ukraine got in touch with America, it’s already left without Crimea, it will remain a little more and without the entire Southeast. As we see, any non-friendly actions against Russia, especially in conjunction with the Americans, help Russia expand and acquire new territories.
    1. -1
      23 January 2019 22: 20
      missed.
      the position of the Japanese is that the Kuril Islands are written in the contract, and the disputed four islands are not included in them.
  29. 0
    23 January 2019 21: 33
    I haven't seen anything more vile in a hundred years. Solemn military greeting "bowed down" to the leader of the country that lost the war.
    1. +2
      23 January 2019 21: 49
      Quote: north
      I haven't seen anything more vile in a hundred years. Solemn military greeting "bowed down" to the leader of the country that lost the war.

      I experienced the same thing when I saw this shame. So humiliate their soldiers no one thought of.
    2. +3
      23 January 2019 21: 57
      Symbolism isn’t the thing about Putin’s international politics! And the symbols are the most stupid and shameful! The Kremlin Special Forces regiment turned into toy soldiers, no matter how shameful they show it! It’s good that this is not Our USSR! And I am glad that my son didn’t get on the urgent, but in the linear part of the army!
    3. 0
      24 January 2019 18: 52
      Can you tell us HOW THE ORDINARY MILITARY GREETING DIFFERENCES FROM A GREAT MILITARY GREETING ....? Here I see only the usual military greeting ... Although these boys, of course, lifted their heads too much. For 17 years I myself have walked a lot in the parade line and they also gave a mullion greeting to each other, but it was always believed that at the same time I should see who the military greeting was given and there would be no division into a usual military greeting and a "solemn military greeting" ... ...
  30. +1
    23 January 2019 21: 52
    "It was under Arthur,
    Good business friends!
    Togo, Feet, Nicamura,
    They didn't give us life! "


    Song of the Defenders of Port Arthur.
  31. -3
    23 January 2019 22: 18
    in fact, the USSR is the only country that did not recognize the official results of World War II.
    The USSR did not sign a multilateral peace treaty in which all of this was stipulated.
    and while there is no recognition of the results, the Japanese can at any time raise the question of the ownership of all the Kuril Islands - they have fallen into the Treaty for a clear violation of the Potsdam Declaration and the conditions of Japan’s surrender guaranteed by the Allies.
    The Japanese do not particularly need this, but nonetheless.
    As for why the topic with the treaty suddenly appeared, everything is so simple: Putin turned out to be in dense international isolation and he really doesn’t like it.
    So there’s an attempt to break isolation through the Japanese
  32. +2
    23 January 2019 22: 30
    My grandfather, a Red Army border guard of the NKVD of the USSR, went through the entire Great Patriotic War on the Far Eastern border with Manzhou-Guo and the Kwantung Army. And on the night of August 8, August 9, 1945, the outpost was assembled in the DRG, crossed the border, liquidated the border post and counterintelligence department of the Japanese (in knives) and returned to its territory with trophies. Organized a checkpoint of the Soviet Army on its site. And when the SA formations reached Manchuria, it began to accept Japanese prisoners of war columns.
    For me - a Soviet officer, there are NO "disputed territories" and "settlement of situations", and "territorial settlements" with any countries - NO! It is clear that the capitalists of the Russian Federation agree with Japanese accomplices how to sell their homeland more expensively!
    The capitalism of the Russian Federation is on the right track! Right in the pit of history! There he and the road, even in the accelerator and kick a kick! SUPPORT !!!
  33. -1
    24 January 2019 00: 14
    Who would doubt the outcome of the next 25th or even 250th round of negotiations? Putin - firstly, do not give kamikaze to the Kuril Islands, secondly, Putin is a patriot of Russia, thirdly, Putin always has a Carrot and always knows how to hang it correctly .... The black belt in judo is for you gentlemen not la la la la in!
  34. +1
    24 January 2019 02: 14
    It is impossible to drive a wedge into the "relationship" between the United States and Japan, since Japan is occupied. The diplomatic game is so difficult that a major loss is very likely. Japan does not really need the islands: they already pump our sovereign fish and crab without any problems. We have no choice. It's just that the "partners" are checking someone, and whether he will agree to the Shnobel Peace Prize. In addition, there is also China ... Abe will not be able to do hara-kiri, he is too Americanized, and the surrender of the islands will start a chain reaction.
  35. +1
    24 January 2019 07: 44
    Really fed up. They lived 70 years without a contract and did not remember. Forget and score.
  36. 0
    24 January 2019 08: 46
    )) we do not mind giving)) if Japan itself becomes part of Russia))
  37. +2
    24 January 2019 10: 40
    Quote: abc_alex
    And it was signed with the USSR, and the Russian Federation has no continuity from the USSR, it inherits from the RSFSR.

    You are wrong in this. The Russian Federation is a continuation state of the Soviet Union. The Russian Federation does not inherit the RSFSR, but is renamed from it by the Law of the RSFSR of December 25, 1991 No. 2094-1 “On the change of the name of the state of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic” (https://minjust.ru/ru/obrashcheniya-grazhdan/o-pravopreemstve -peredache-polnomochiy-ili-sobstvennosti-mezhdu-sssr-rsfsr-i)
  38. 0
    24 January 2019 16: 55
    It's high time to say clearly, no piece of paper is needed, the so-called. peace treaty. Our "partners" do not observe anything and are not going to observe anything that is not in their interests. We had an agreement with Germany and we got a war. The cost of any agreement is the cost of paper for writing an agreement. And it's time to put an end to the guarantor of the constitution. Not an inch of Russian territory . And enough of the noise about this. The transfer of any part of the territory of Russia-state treason. Such thoughts should not even appear in anyone.
  39. 0
    24 January 2019 18: 48
    Soldiers with their heads tucked up, when giving a military greeting, it seems to me that they are replaying ..... They look at the ceiling ...