Defense Ministry decided to upgrade the IL-38H

The Russian Navy will receive a modernized anti-submarine aircraft, created on the basis of the IL-38H "Novella" using the latest technologies, according to News.

The decision to upgrade was made based on the results of applying IL-38Н in Syria. Full modernization of the fleet of these cars is planned to be completed in 2025 year

Serial production of IL-38 was conducted 5 years, starting with the 1967 year. During this period, built 65 units. Currently, 50 aircraft are in working condition. Since 2012, 8 machines have been upgraded according to the Novella project.

It is planned to upgrade 25 aircraft in total. The new project has already received the nickname "Supernova".

The upgraded aircraft can be distinguished from its predecessor by the configuration of a special container with equipment that will be installed above the fuselage. Despite the large add-on, all the main characteristics will remain, including speed (up to 650 km / h) and range (up to 9,5 thousand km).

It is reported that the upgraded version will be equipped with new search anti-submarine sighting systems, a new radar, as well as a modern optical-electronic system with laser, television and thermal imaging channels.

In addition, the complex will include a wide range of sensor equipment, including means of detecting submarines by their physical fields (noise, magnetic, infrared). This will provide support for surface ships up to 320 km, air targets - up to 90 km.

Today, to perform combat missions, the aircraft is armed with torpedoes, but it is possible that after the finalization of the "Elah" they will receive anti-ship missiles X-35.

The publication notes that, thanks to modern technical solutions, the efficiency of the machine during patrols will increase several times: it will be able to successfully accomplish the tasks of electronic surveillance of underwater, surface and air objects, target designation, mine barriers, participate in search and rescue operations and conduct environmental monitoring water surface.

Comments

[jovanni]

Thanks to the grandfathers for the wonderful IL 18 airplane! Or great-grandfathers? ...

[Aerodrome]

The Russian Navy will receive a modernized anti-submarine aircraft, created on the basis of the IL-38N Novella using the latest technology

really "ripe"? but...

[Tashkent citizen]

Or great-grandfathers? ...

Exactly. As in the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" about "Moskvich" - My grandchildren will still ride it.
Sorry I do not remember literally.

[venik]

Quote: Jovanni

Thanks to the grandfathers for the wonderful IL 18 airplane! Or great-grandfathers? ...

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And do not offend the ELDERS !!! Me too "young model constructor "was found!!

[Siberian 66]

It’s a shame to place new weapons systems on the honored veterans of IL-18 ... When will those who cannot give the country new, modern aircraft that can become a platform for modern weapons turn from warm places? There already go from the resource gliders, then there are no spare parts for where to get them, dviguny, good old ILs .... We will not soon have PLO and aviation intelligence with this approach, there will be ...

[DenZ]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

When will those who cannot give the country new, modern aircraft that can become a platform for modern weapons turn from warm places?

Turnut so what? Immediately there will be money for the development and production of new 50 aircraft ?. There is something big doubt about the fairness of the existence of such a causal relationship.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: DenZ

Quote: Sibiryak 66

When will those who cannot give the country new, modern aircraft that can become a platform for modern weapons turn from warm places?

Turnut so what? Immediately there will be money for the development and production of new 50 aircraft ?. There is something big doubt about the fairness of the existence of such a causal relationship.

yes no, of course, silanovomillerysechinovy ​​money is more likely to devour ...

[Corn]

Quote: DenZ

development and production of new 50 aircraft

Some sort of superjet or ms21 was quite suitable, and aircraft manufacturers would be very grateful for such an order.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Corn

Some sort of superjet or ms21 was quite suitable, and aircraft manufacturers would be very grateful for such an order.

Yeah ... the aircraft manufacturers who are under sanctions due to the supply of aircraft to the Ministry of Defense will be very grateful. Or have you forgotten what SSJ is made of? And the MC-21 has already suffered - composites for the wing of yoks.
Although aircraft manufacturers will really be grateful for the R&D on the transfer of SSJ to the domestic base - this is such a feeder ...

[Cook]

But why translate it into a domestic base? Nobody limits us in SSJ operation, and the Iranians fly on junk further.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Cook

But why translate it into a domestic base?

And because with the current percentage of imported components in the design of the Moscow Region, he will not accept it.
And also because after the first report on the militarization of SSJ, there is every chance of getting the same situation in which the MS-21 (or rather, its wing) found itself.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

It’s a shame to place new weapons systems on the honored veterans of IL-18 ...

B-52, TU-95 are also veterans, however, they serve and so far no one is going to write them off. The glider is the same, but the filling is completely different. And if the plane does its job, why not?
Another question is that, indeed, in the short term, there is no such new platform. At the same time, the Seagulls were also returned to the system with modernization.

[Siberian 66]

The amount of silts that is needed for a reliable PLO is not there. And no 25 Super Novels will solve this problem. We have no carriers! And nobody can design and build. The question is what. Not only in old cars. And in their physical absence in the required quantity and the impossibility of building new ones. And with PLO in the first place we have the worst.

[LVMI1980]

The topic must be (preferably in the gland)

[Ros 56]

Where does the information come from?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NEXUS

B-52, TU-95 are also veterans, however, they serve and so far no one is going to write them off. The glider is the same, but the filling is completely different.

A half past one and bears - yes. But the foreign analogue of the IL-38 - R-3 "Orion" - has already gone under the replacement. Moreover, R&D and the construction of experimental vehicles to replace Orion were carried out back in the years when the forces of ASW in the United States were only decreasing.

[Oden280]

Who cares. what they will upgrade there. One of the main components of the complex, or rather new sonar buoys, is not in development. With the old ones, which are still from the USSR, the new complex is very poorly combined. And few of them remain.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: NEXUS

Another question, what is really, in the short term

The question is that they decided to rearm the IL-38 with anti-ship missiles. This is the whole modernization.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

give the country new, modern aircraft that can become a platform for modern weapons

Anti-submarine amphibious aircraft with elements of early warning:

Diameter 30m. The lifting force during vertical take-off is provided by the Magnus effect that occurs when the upper peripheral part of the diskette rotates relative to the stationary lower and central parts of the hull.

In the rotating part of the disk can be placed radar AWACS. It will be driven into rotation together with the rotating part of the disk by the electric drive in the horizontal flight mode with the blades pulled inward into the rotating disk. On a similar lifting force of Magnus create a promising helicopter:

[Kurare]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

It’s a shame to place new weapons systems on the honored veterans of IL-18 ...

That I need to prepare a replacement - I completely agree with this. But the 38th has not yet far developed its resource, and the IL-18 platform is simply magnificent. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

[Tashkent citizen]

When will those who cannot give the country new, modern airplanes that can become a platform for modern weapons turn from warm places? There already go from the resource gliders, then there are no spare parts for where to get them, dviguny, good old ILs .... We will not soon have PLO and aviation intelligence with this approach, there will be ...

Correctly. The resource most likely remained scanty. What is the point of investing in this junk. It’s time to write them off for a long time.
Or I propose to put VIP chairs on them and give them to the "Russia" presidential squad. Let them fly on them instead of the FALCON 7X. Maybe then they will find money for new cars. The A-40 or Be-200 will be put into production.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tashkent

A-40 or Be-200 will be launched in a series.

Yeah ... once already tried. Then MO returned money from the factory through the court.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Shame places on the honored veterans of IL-18 new systems

This honored veteran has been repeatedly tested in business and copes with his tasks perfectly. New equipment, of course, is a requirement of the era, but the plane is already good. Can you personally have a better one? The military does not like to trade good for excellent, and it's understandable why. The states and their allies still have old Orions flying all over the place, and the fleet of these aircraft is quite large.

[Tektor]

When the IL-114 is ready, then there will be a replacement for the IL-38.

[Alex-333]

This is true. Only he went through three fundamental modernizations and with a dozen improvements. A, B, C.
In the photo RGPshniki in three versions.

[orionvitt]

Have you read the article? Poke with modernized Orions, although the article says the same thing, only for the IL-38.

[Alex-333]

Tych, do not poke ...))) In 1993, Sanya Chazov drove an IL-38 from a 77th regiment to Alaska. There were such visits. And the northerners flew to England.
We looked at R-3C mod.1., Allowed to see.
Spitting for a long time ... The softest .. "They made us like boys ..". You really don't tell me about PLO and the possibilities .. "Novella" is "the same" but with a delay of 30 years.
Catch ours. From 1976 to 2012 no changes ... Breshu, a "navigator" bought for his own money. In the hands of the second navigator. We are driving the "seven" to the plant in Pushkin. Under the "Novella"))) So it goes? You are our patriot.

... We are driving to the plant in Pushkin. Under the "Novella"))) So it goes?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Alex-333

"They made us like boys .."

I'm so sorry. It turns out your way, if you are late, you do not need to upgrade. And still here some are advising useful, to saw the old ILs, and wait for the new ones. How many waited, what's the difference.

[Alex-333]

I do not advise anything. He advised from 1976 to 2014. Then he was tired. Well I gave a link to my articles on PLO.
In search of hammer-Semenov "Anti-submarine combat view from SSR". There is also the story "Non-Tradition", about new ways of searching. We discussed it already in the article by Andrey from Chelyabinsk.
Want, read, want not.
http://samlib.ru/editors/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/protivolodochnaioborona-nov2018.shtml
VUSovka u me-070200 "Planning of operations and combat actions of the fleet forces". You will find a cooler specialist here - questions to him. Good luck, tired of stupidity.

[Vkd dvk]

Sculpt a hunchback. Is there a plane, a new one that you dream of, IS what you wrote there? How do you know what lies with the custody of this airplane? How do you know that a new one has been created from modern materials and components?

[Alex-333]

Well, you know better from the cellar.
The discussion ended.

[venik]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

It’s a shame to place new weapons systems on the honored veterans of IL-18 ...

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Well, exactly when with VO "turnout" and STUPID YOUNGS !!! Which, well, will NOT "enter" in ANY way, that even the "old" planes are quite "in the subject"!
Do not believe? Well look what is used in NATO !!!
Here are some examples:

Well, find a "bunch of differences" !!!!!!

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

It’s a shame to place new weapons systems on the honored veterans of IL-18.

If the Union did not fall apart, the IL-18 (20,38) would receive a new life. Very nice glider. Design Bureau of Ilyushin a project of deep modernization of the aircraft from licking the fuselage, new avionics, modernization of the propeller-motor group. And an example was the modernization of the American transporter Hercules.

[Alex-333]

There are five-year engines. Avionics is partially new. Had the opportunity to climb in it.)))

[Mikhail Zubkov]

Aircraft checked and memorized, a reserve of crews and technical staff is in stock, there are stock of spare parts, but you won’t work on a new type of all this for 5 years. There are not enough technicians for new types, instead of 100 airborne in 2014 in 2018 only 50 troops received. There are no errors in modernization, there are ready-made new equipment and weapons for the old types, and you must invest in it as a priority. War is on the verge.

[Mountain shooter]

Two things are needed from a patrol aircraft — the sensitivity of the sensors — to detect EVERYTHING and as far as possible. And the patrol time is as long as possible. The remaining parameters are to help the main ones. So a good plane. For these tasks.

[Siberian 66]

The plane is wonderful. No questions. The question is the quantity of all our vast seas and oceans. Americans are very scrupulous in finding our boats. And the number of PLO aircraft they have about two hundred.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

to all our vast seas and oceans. Americans are very scrupulous in finding our boats

For all our seas and oceans are quite enough. It is the Americans, with their idea of ​​global dominance, who have set tasks to subjugate all the seas and oceans, covering their entire world with their bases. The question is, why does Russia need a huge fleet of anti-submarine aircraft, if they have nowhere to base? How do you think they will search, in the Indian, in the southern Atlantic or Pacific Ocean?

the number of PLO aircraft they have about two hundred

Having listened to you, you come to the conclusion that it is imperative that the last effort be made to rivet planes like the states just to have. And then Russia will be happy.

[goose]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So a good plane. For these tasks.

And yet, if the reliability of the equipment is sufficient, then you need to plan the next, like a drone - then it will be possible to stick normal antennas, and ensure the duration of the patrol, and reduce the cost of operation.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

The aircraft itself is good, modernization will improve its combat qualities.

[Alexey-74]

We are modernizing the heritage of the USSR and we are doing everything right !!!

[irazum]

A new platform has long been needed.

[Igor Borisov_2]

The United States wants to extend the life of the B-52 until 2060 ... A good glider with new engines and new features can last a long time ...

[Nikolaevich I]

"The Ministry of Defense has decided to modernize the Il-38 ..." Again? Well, how much can you ?! And when to "develop"? No, I’m not “categorically against” the Il-18 platform (“for not having a stamp, they write in a simple one” ... and the Il-18 glider can be stuffed with modern avionics, weapons ... all the same, it does not “fly with a whistle” necessarily ... even the opposite.); But the problem is that the IL-18 has not been produced for a long time, and those released once have long been poker!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

"The Ministry of Defense has decided to modernize the Il-38 ..." Again? Well, how much can you ?! And when to "develop"?

So for this we need a new civilian platform - with a long range, economical engines and decent payload. And - a surprise - mainly from domestic components.
Do we have one?

[Cook]

They will bring up MC21, they will solve the problem with composites, one of our motors will be. So we will have a platform. The adversary also waited a long time until the suitable 737-800 appeared. And after all, besides Ilov, we still have some Tu-142.

[Name Surname]

Since 2012, only 8 pieces before modification H? pffff
I thought 25 of them already

[Alexey RA]

I understand that the Moscow Region despaired of waiting for a new base machine for the PLO aircraft.

[Cook]

Or maybe they are beginning to work out a promising filling for a new platform?

[Lead]

As the saying goes: "An old friend is better than two new ones!" And even three new ones! Good luck, updated IL-38NM +!

[mag nit]

Are the engines still from Ukraine?

[Alex-333]

Enough and so in the sumps. AI-20 was a good engine for its time. Only planes will then fall (((Everything has its time.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Jovanni

Thanks to the grandfathers for the wonderful IL 18 airplane! Or great-grandfathers? ...

Ah, the kakon flaps its wings in flight, and how the tail goes back and forth! The song, an unforgettable experience, but the volume of the carcass and did not stand nearby ...

[Alex-333]

For the sake of sports interest: will the glider be changed? Or IT will continue? The first flight on the Il-38 was made in 1980. I will live wondering when it will be possible to do the installations as in Orion. Rhetorical question (((

The difference is in the options for loading the IL-38 and Orion. The system adopted in the USA allows the sensitivity of the buoys on board to be set based on the actual hydrology and the sea level (on board in flight). Preliminarily, having specified it with the help of the RSL AN / SSQ-36 and get the data in the computer.
On the IL-38, you can not guess the position of the installation, and then the detection range of the submarines can be underestimated (or even all RSL will work from the noise of the sea).
From the story: "Before departure, I set the position of the RSL-sensitivity. 1,2,3. I did not guess, the RSL is" thrashing "from the sea." Overbite "- underestimated the D.Obn. (Instead of 1500 m there will be 700). 2 km - already "a hole in the grid." They gave me, for example, a type 6 jump layer of 50 m (the hydrograph sent a weekly telegram). I set the hydrophone at 100 m and "Two", or rather took on RTB PLOR what (As NSh once wrote an application for each departure, to which board, how much, and how much of the hydrophone). Well, let them put everything there correctly. How to check? To stomp there with the navigator and check? -, to put it mildly. My work for the tonsils. Well, there were a couple of times. The guys sometimes hacked out. Okay. I came to the area, "lambs". That means 3 loyal points. I dropped one - thrashing from the noise of the sea. I can't work, I'm starting a magnetometric (that is, I write off the "awl"). Let's say the sea is 2. I set it, and the jump layer (thermocline) is not at 50, but at 120, and the boat knows this and goes to 150 m. It is clear that the RSL will not hear it. Or at turnover. The hydrophone is below the layer, the boat goes above it. Well, in Kamchatka it is easier, there this "zyuga" was bent from the first type to the sixth. And on the Northern Fleet, there was such a thing in shallow water. Then they came up with "Nerchinsk". Came to the area, dropped it, got a cut. And what, can I change the settings? X. Or carry with you several sets for different feelings? Or is the pair different for everyone? Or send a scout for 1000 km, dropped the RSL, checked, fly here, okay. They came up with "Novella" ... You will laugh, but the same. It will have to redo half of the plane. What for? And so it will do. Grandfathers flew ... And with frequency numbers? It can go crazy sometimes. For the Americans, before the drop, the frequency number could also be set, in addition to the depth of the hydrophone (90-400-1000 feet) and the life time of the buoy-position 1-3-8 hours of work ...