“All 20 years after the collapse of the USSR was a struggle for survival for Russia”

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“All 20 years after the collapse of the USSR was a struggle for survival for Russia”Summing up the period following the adoption of the “Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR” 12 in June 1990, I believe that we should start by assessing the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Russia is too big a country to afford an absolutely free market.

Modernization of the USSR was inevitable, but the collapse of a large country could have been avoided by finding a compromise way of development and economic reforms. But this was not done, and all 20 years of Russia's existence after the disappearance of the Soviet Union’s map were a struggle for survival and overcoming the negative consequences of what happened. Therefore, consider a twenty history the new Russia as a path to achievements, I think, would be a great exaggeration. It was a struggle for survival. The first decade, in my opinion, was marked by a crisis in all spheres of the state, from foreign policy to economics, etc. It seems to me that one of the most unsuccessful development paths was chosen - an absolutely free liberal market, accompanied by a voluntary rejection of its own state project .

The second decade has passed under the sign of attempts to rehabilitate some of the basic foundations of Russian statehood. It was clear that otherwise it would not be possible to avoid a repetition of the new crisis, or even further collapse. But, in my opinion, this attempt was half-hearted, Russia continues to balance on the verge of finding the best model for itself. In economics, domestic and foreign policy, we continue to fluctuate between the ideas of 90's and the desire to restore our own large project. Russia is too big a country to afford an absolutely free market, but the planned Soviet-style economy also completely exhausted itself. Thus, talking about super achievements does not make sense. By and large, we struggled to stay on the world map. So far we are doing it.

Do not reckon with the fact that people died, it would be, to put it mildly, blasphemous

Why do I think that the collapse of the USSR was not good? Because it caused a series of local conflicts in which a large number of people died. This could have been avoided. If the direct losses in military conflicts are summed up with demographic recessions and criminal "revolutions", then the number of victims will be in the hundreds of thousands. These are confirmed facts, and it would be blasphemous, to say the least, to disregard the fact that these people died. If they were more patient and more far-sighted, then these premature deaths could have been avoided. This is the first.

And the second is the collapse of a huge economy. Practically no one has brought much benefit. Whole industries have disappeared, in which a huge number of people were employed. They were engaged in productive labor, which was a stabilizing factor for the life of the country as a whole. But we saw the collapse of industries, and many were out of work. Losses from this is impossible to calculate. Technological schools, production bases have been lost, and, accordingly, a crisis has hit us.

The experience of China speaks about the possibility of carrying out reforms without disintegrating the country.

Talking about the fact that this was due to market conditions, seems to me speculation. No one ever thought what it was for, but simply collapsed the economy in order to divide the most tidbits that gave quick profits among a small number of people. In addition, it seems to me a false promise that only the claimed global market should survive. This is a lie, because the whole world lives wrong. Not everything that is produced in different countries of the world is always in demand in the world market. There is also a domestic market, and its needs should govern the structure of the economy. There were many other side factors. We still feel their influence.

Could it be different? There is the experience of China, which was not in the best conditions in the 80's. He started in a more difficult situation than he was in the Soviet Union, but he was able to achieve serious results by reforming his own economy. This does not mean that his experience should be fully repeated, but the experience of China suggests the possibility of carrying out reforms without disintegrating the country, without local armed conflicts, without collapsing entire industries. Since it could be done by others, it means that we could have done it.
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  1. Svistoplyaskov
    +13
    12 2012 June
    The article voices obvious and well-known things to everyone! Captain Kep.
    1. ytqnhfk
      +13
      12 2012 June
      SMART PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS WITHOUT REMINDER, BUT THE LAST MARCHES OF MILLIONS SHOWS THAT MANY FORGETS THIS AND WANT TO WRITTEN ON A NEW LET'S PUSH US INTO A NEW VITOK OF REFRIGERATION!
    2. +1
      12 2012 June
      Thanks to Putin, Russia did not continue to fall apart. Thank him for that.
      1. teves
        -20
        12 2012 June
        Well, Soviet people do not want to understand the reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union, everyone grabs at some illusions and fantasies laughing
        Yes, this colossus on clay legs simply bothered ordinary people, patience ended in endless lines for elementary products and goods! What kind of country is this when there is simply nothing to eat? What is still incomprehensible here? winked
        Suggest your option in 1991 for Gorbachev - what exactly should he have done, in your opinion? What are the specific steps? Enough already to deliver this worthless demagogy.
        1. qwz_qwz
          +5
          12 2012 June
          What exactly was he supposed to do?
          China by its own example gave an answer to this.
        2. Ilyich
          +19
          12 2012 June
          Suggest your option in 1991 for Gorbachev - what exactly should he have done, in your opinion? What are the specific steps?

          Shoot yourself. And preferably not at 91, but at 85
          1. pribolt
            +3
            12 2012 June
            Ilyich had to shoot himself as a couple with EBN
            1. 0
              13 2012 June
              Ilyich had to shoot himself ...

              - Which of the two? (C) hf "About businessman Foma"
        3. Churchill
          +10
          12 2012 June
          teves,
          It was not necessary to do in the 91st, when the Soviet Union did not exist in fact, but a little earlier, about ten years ago.
          But the Bolshevik spirit is apparently tenacious in us; to the foundation, and then! .. And now the same thing! The middle name of the liberals is the New Bolsheviks! And they have the same songs; we will renounce the old world ... whoever was no one will become everything ... down with everything!
        4. +4
          12 2012 June
          At the very least, do not "sell" the country left and right, do not give in to you on strategic issues. I think there is no point in listing all the points on which it was impossible to concede to them. They are well known. The country was simply plundered !!! Then it's EBN ... To put it mildly, it's sad to remember ...
          And there was nothing to eat precisely because in 1987 they were allowed to export EVERYTHING from the country !!!
        5. Vitaly PV
          +6
          12 2012 June
          There was nothing to eat when the tagged one came to power and the TV program "Perestroika" was broadcast, led by this demagogue Gorbachev. And before perestroika, we lived in a communal apartment and ate black sturgeon caviar with a spoon from a three-liter bottle (I was 7 then). My father and mother came from the village, my father learned to be a welder, and my mother learned to be a crane operator, for some 10 years (1984-1994), during perestroika, they managed to earn 2 apartments during perestroika (show me the hard workers who can earn themselves in 10 years apartment, while eating normally and having 3 children and all this without getting into mortgage debt), by the way, we have 3 children in the family.
        6. predator
          +7
          12 2012 June
          I want to go home - to the USSR!
        7. scrack
          +6
          12 2012 June
          If not for Gorbachev, then nothing would have happened in '91. All his activities are one continuous diversion with the goal of destroying the country. He himself said in an interview that he wanted to ruin the country
          1. +1
            13 2012 June
            Yes, some foreign advisers are worth it.
        8. +3
          13 2012 June
          Well, Soviet people do not want to understand the reasons for the collapse of the USSR
          Yes, just tired of ordinary people this colossus on clay legs

          Judging by the number of modern residents of Russia who today regret the collapse of the USSR, they are not tired of "this colossus with feet of clay."
          patience ended in endless lines for elementary products and goods! What kind of country is this when there is simply nothing to eat?

          Not everything in this life is measured by the belly.
          I am afraid, teves, that you do not understand.
        9. +1
          13 2012 June
          teves,
          Gorby with EBN deserve trial and retribution for their crimes organized by the direction of the West. Is it a good performer?
      2. qwz_qwz
        +5
        12 2012 June
        Thanks to Putin, Russia did not continue to fall apart
        Although Putin is not Yeltsin, for the most part, due to the high price of oil and gas, Russia has not continued to fall apart.
        1. Churchill
          +15
          12 2012 June
          qwz_qwz,
          Who told you that the price of oil is high today ??? This is not a high price, this is a dollar cheap! Recalculate in gold and you will see that oil prices practically do not change! You can’t count in gold, count in vodka, it’s more obvious!
          1. qwz_qwz
            +1
            12 2012 June
            1998 ~ 12 $ barrel
            2000 ~ 34 $
            before 2002 failure to ~ 19 $
            and from 2002 until June 2008 stable grew to ~ $ 140
            The period of growth just fell on Putin’s first rule ...
            1. Winter
              +15
              12 2012 June
              qwz_qwz,
              They explain to you, it was not oil that was growing, but the dollar was falling! $ 34 of the sample of 2000 is more than today and $ 100 and even $ 120. That's about 170 somewhere at today's prices!
              1. qwz_qwz
                -1
                12 2012 June
                You forget that the ruble goes inside the country, not the dollar ... Compare ruble inflation dynamics and dollar dynamics since 2002 .... Oil - there is oil. A striking example - after rising oil prices in the Emirates, new cities began to grow by leaps and bounds.
            2. Alexey Prikazchikov
              +5
              12 2012 June
              And not just until 2004 we did not receive money for oil but only losses.
              1. 0
                13 2012 June
                Here, the famous SORP treaty. From which Putin was able to get rid.
          2. 0
            13 2012 June
            Verify the truth.
        2. Ilyich
          +1
          12 2012 June
          Quote: qwz_qwz
          but for the most part, due to the high price of oil and gas, Russia has not continued to fall apart.

          What the hell! Again oil, gas again!
          I recommend reading this article on the structure of Russia's GDP:
          http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/exclusive/view/64362/
          Everything is very clear, clear, popular, from all sides and without speculation.
          1. qwz_qwz
            +2
            12 2012 June
            Compare the chart from the article on your link with the dynamics of oil prices for the same period ... similar? sad as it may be, but oil and gas are the main budget replenishment item (about 50%). Of course, I would like something else, but for now we have what we have ...
            1. Ilyich
              +4
              12 2012 June
              qwz_qwz, let's again:
              Here is a picture of GDP at comparable prices:

              It clearly shows what share in GDP is occupied by minerals. Moreover, all mineral resources, and not just oil and gas. There is aluminum, and iron, etc. etc.
              Yes, you are right, in 2003. The extraction of raw materials accounted for about 70% of the GDP (we look at the difference between the blue and green lines. This is the volume of production in the mining industry). Currently, as you can see, this is only about 20-25%. Well, keep in mind that these are not only hydrocarbons, but also other minerals. So there’s no need to talk about cardinal dependence wink
              1. qwz_qwz
                0
                12 2012 June
                Ilyich The fact of the matter is that oil and gas help, without them there would not have been such growth since 2002
                So there’s no need to talk about cardinal dependence

                Ilyich, maybe you will finally look at the main articles of replenishment of the budget? oil and gas are dominant there ...
                1. +4
                  12 2012 June
                  Respected qwz_qwz! Oil and gas is a way to get any currency and other values ​​from abroad and that's it. The existing territorial-state subject of international law can produce the entire range of goods accepted in the world. To do this, you just need to rebuild the appropriate types of industrial production and that's it. Moreover, we can develop this industrial production ourselves and produce it ourselves. And the policy of the state should be aimed precisely at this. And the state lives not only on taxes, if it is sovereign, it also prints its own money, on which people living in this state build the same weapons for the state or launch satellites to Mars. The nonsense about tax revenues can only be carried by people unfamiliar with the economy. Taxes in a normal state are a way to reduce inflation and the free money supply. You ask what taxes amers print and are not shy about trillions, and "rich" Europeans have hundreds of billions.
                2. Ilyich
                  +1
                  13 2012 June
                  Quote: qwz_qwz
                  Ilyich, can you finally look into the main articles of the budget replenishment? oil and gas are dominant there ...

                  No questions, of course help. it very an important budget item. But you are talking about full dependence on hydrocarbon exports, and I disagree with this.
                  qwz_qwz, put plus in advance. For the fact that you provide links (or simply coordinates) to information that proves your case. I just don't see any reason to argue about the obvious, although I live in another "country" request
                  1. qwz_qwz
                    +1
                    13 2012 June
                    But you are talking about complete dependence on hydrocarbon exports
                    I think we misunderstood each other a little, we didn’t talk about complete dependence, it meant the supporting part of the budget’s fullness, which, as you know, is calculated from the cost of oil.
                    As for complete dependence, everyone knows that this applies only to a number of countries in the Arab world ...
                    what you give links
                    You know, it’s hard to give a link to business forums or business, economic channels that are often simply not available on the Internet ... but not all http://top.rbc.ru/economics/13/06/2012/654774.shtml
                    The Internet is a big information garbage and it is better to scoop up data from the first hand.
                    1. Ilyich
                      0
                      14 2012 June
                      Quote: qwz_qwz
                      I think we misunderstood each other a little, we didn’t talk about full dependence, I mean the supporting part of the budget

                      Welcome, in this case, we will assume that you are right smile
        3. Alexey Prikazchikov
          +1
          12 2012 June
          A jerk in the income of the Russian Federation, the price of oil is 12 or 17%, depending on the fluctuations.
    3. +2
      12 2012 June
      Apparently this is the preamble to the article, not the article. We can say that nothing is said!
    4. FiremanRS
      +2
      12 2012 June
      M.B. meant - Captain Evidence? )))))) And in the general article +. We must not forget the consequences of this shameful collapse. People died as in a small war, and this despite the fact that peace is in the yard, the economy and the country have collapsed. This must be shouted at every corner, so that it would quickly reach the minds of people, cereals in the minds of liberals, who, like grave worms, are kopasats on the corpse of an empire.
      1. 755962
        +1
        12 2012 June
        Well, yes, instead of the industrial giant, they turned into hostages of oil and gas.
  2. +13
    12 2012 June
    In addition to individual countries and individuals within the country, the collapse just did not benefit anyone. This is the price of betrayal! Anyway, there will be a new union, there will be everything.
  3. vadimus
    +17
    12 2012 June
    Gorbachev at the trial! He has no place in paradise!
  4. +1
    12 2012 June
    Well, we are not looking for easy ways! As Wardes said yesterday! In my opinion, for sure!
    1. NUT
      NUT
      +3
      12 2012 June
      Quote: sergo0000
      Well, we are not looking for easy ways!
      "Only a Russian Man is able to find a WAY out of the most absolutely hopeless situation
      But easier and faster he finds the ENTRANCE. "
      I don’t know who said this, but ...
  5. vladimir64ss
    +8
    12 2012 June
    This position must be voiced. As revanchists - liberals once again try to instill in us the idea of ​​the "wonderful" 90s.
  6. 0
    12 2012 June
    And the second is the collapse of a huge economy. It has not brought much benefit to anyone.
    I think that there was no crawl for the Russian state, and for example, the same Anglo-Saxons had a favor ... and the whole of Europe and the Americans were warming our hands in trouble.
  7. +14
    12 2012 June
    The collapse of the USSR was planned and implemented by Gorbachev. He is a traitor.
    1. +12
      12 2012 June
      Deniska999,
      He is not alone !!!
      1. +8
        12 2012 June
        local first secretaries and political bureau (90 percent)
        1. Churchill
          +13
          12 2012 June
          Narkom,
          Do not flatter the wretched! Gorbachev, with all his gop company, is physically incapable of any kind of planning!
          1. recitatorus
            +5
            12 2012 June
            Churchill,
            Gorbachev himself did not understand how it happened like that ?!
            1. 11Goor11
              +7
              12 2012 June
              Gorbachev's speech at a seminar at American University in Turkey
              “The purpose of my whole life was the destruction of communism, the unbearable dictatorship of people.
              I was fully supported by my wife, who realized the need for this even earlier than I did. It was to achieve this goal that I used my position in the party and country. That is why my wife kept pushing me to consistently occupy an increasingly higher position in the country ....
              .... I managed to find associates in realizing these goals. Among them, a special place is occupied by A.N. Yakovlev and E.A. Shevardnadze, whose services in our common cause are simply invaluable ... "
              http://rusforce.org/archive/index.php/t-4017.html
              You might think that he justifies his political impotence in such a way, but the program for NEXT STATUS OF STALINISM in fact, the murder of people's faith in their country, was started by these geeks consciously and actively am
              Read this, very detailed and documented information.
              http://www.usinfo.ru/sssrindex.htm
              Yes, and I saw a video where Yakovlev talks about his role in the destruction of the USSR
            2. +2
              13 2012 June
              Gorbachev himself did not understand how it happened like that ?!

              Gorbachev knew everything. And deliberately ruined the USSR.
              I remember the "soapy" riot in the mining towns of 1989 (when there was no soap or SMS in stores). The miners came home black as blacks (you will get mad). So, somewhere this soap was in abundance in warehouses. So are the products. I saw myself buried, if only not for the people.
              And remember 92, Gaidar's "shock therapy" of the economy. For a month after the introduction of the reform (the beginning of the fefral), everything started somewhere. Everything suddenly appeared in the markets, in the kiosks of private traders who were controlled by crime.
              In fact, it was a conspiracy of the Gorbachev perestroika and the neoliberals of the Gaidar-Chubais sense. And who directed and paid them, we know today.
              1. +3
                13 2012 June
                At one time I was engaged in analyzing the semantic load in Gorbachev's speeches (having fun at his leisure), so if to isolate garbage from his speeches, then the meaning is practically zero. With regards to his wife (heaven be with her), her manic passion for luxury and especially for precious jewelry completely crossed out her good impulses. What and used in the west.
          2. cool.cube2012
            +4
            12 2012 June
            Quote volkan In all the troubles and vile actions against our country, at all times, whether we like it or not, a Jewish trace is traced. I completely agree with this idea, this is where the root of evil is.
  8. Crumbumbes
    +1
    12 2012 June
    By and large, we fought to stay on the world map. So far we have succeeded.

    I do not agree with the last sentence, as we (Russia) are not just on the map, but have a great geopolitical weight.
    but in general a minus article, it is not informative. I agree with the comment of Whistlers
  9. the gray wolf
    +10
    12 2012 June
    can anyone explain why Gorbik was given the Nobel Peace Prize belay sold the country, and for chaos - that’s why they give the Nobel wassat
    1. qwz_qwz
      +9
      12 2012 June
      can anyone explain why Gorbik was given the Nobel Peace Prize
      And for what? )) The Peace Prize is finally discredited.
      1. broker
        +1
        12 2012 June
        And cut to the same slowly)
    2. Churchill
      +10
      12 2012 June
      Quote: Boz Qurd
      can anyone explain why Gorbik was given the Nobel Peace Prize sold the country, and for the chaos - that's why they give the Nobel

      Look at who gives and you will immediately understand - for what!
    3. NUT
      NUT
      +9
      12 2012 June
      Quote: Boz Qurd
      can anyone explain why Gorbik was given the Nobel Peace Prize

      Quote: qwz_qwz
      And for what?
      And I am surprised that no one is surprised that the seemingly most peaceful prize in the world is awarded to the person who created the hydrogen bomb and this most peaceful "Peace Prize" on our planet is named after the person who created dynamite ...

      "Intellectual stupidity, the absence of any sense of justice, extreme arrogance, acting in the most disgusting forms - this is what is combined together in Judaism ..."
      Eugene Dühring
      Quote: Churchill
      Look at who gives and you will immediately understand - for what
    4. +4
      12 2012 June
      Quote: Boz Qurd
      can anyone explain why Gorbik was given the Nobel Peace Prize belay sold the country, and for the chaos - that’s why they give the Nobel

      For this they gave. but this is the least, they gave him the Nobel Prize for the fact that as a result of his verbiage, lack of principles, spinelessness, greed, servility to the West, which grew out of indefatigable ambition during his ascension in the West, this treacherous world lost fear of retribution. The brake was on, but thanks to Gorbachev he was gone, that’s why he received this award, and in fact one of many bribes. And he doesn’t give a damn about Russia now, he lectures in the USA. What can he teach them there? Probably how to become US states independent. He knew very well that the USA and Europe are sirens, they sing beautifully, but eat human meat.
  10. +10
    12 2012 June
    This is a major defeat of Russian civilization, the collapse of the USSR and the main reason for the decay of the Communist Party over time, the communists from creators turned into miserable adherents and snickering bureaucrats, their relationship with their people was lost and the main goal of communism was lost in fatty eyes. Example of the PRC is striking events in the Tianmen Square gives us to believe that the USSR had a way out of the crisis, but there were no people capable of tough actions to preserve their country. We should not be deceived that the Soviet and Russian are different things, this is the only way of Russian civilization ... I liked the saying of one Western observer what are the goals of Russia for the future-response to return to the state of 1991
    1. +10
      12 2012 June
      "... the communists turned from creators into miserable adaptations and the snickering bureaucrats lost contact with their people ,,,".
      But I strongly disagree with this statement! Why? Because there were about 17 million communists in the party and these were people who worked "conscientiously", they were the first to go to construction sites, into battle, where it is difficult! My father went through the whole war, he became a communist in the winter of 41. And membership in the party did not give him any privileges. And we, the country, were betrayed by snickering and degenerated party leaders and their hangers-on. Therefore, I no longer trust any party, so I understand so perfectly that, hiding behind beautiful words and popullist slogans, the party elite, with the hands of ordinary party members, will do everything so that they, loved ones, feel good (this is first of all), and the rest - how All this can be observed in any party, including the opposition. Unfortunately, there are very few non-silver leaders like J.V. Stalin!
      1. +6
        12 2012 June
        Dear Vadim-Ragalevich, I understand you humanly, but if the team lost, let's say the players, we won’t say that most of the players are good and the goalkeeper and the incomplete coach should be replaced before the game and not after the defeat, sometimes it’s good, but for the Communist Party it’s not for some reason going on. I remember the 90s when they threw party cards to see or people are not worthless or the idea is the same
        1. +2
          12 2012 June
          Dear anpo, your comparison of the situation with the football team, to put it mildly, is not correct. I repeat once again, it is impossible to put an equal sign between ordinary communists and the political leadership of the country.
          1. +2
            13 2012 June
            Dear Vadim-Ragalevich, there is such a thing as intra-party struggle that helps to cleanse the party’s body of the incapable and identify true leaders, all party members must-have fought for the purity of ranks from ordinary to high
    2. Churchill
      +10
      12 2012 June
      apro,
      The Communists completely killed the initiative in people. A bright future as an incentive could work for 10-15 years, but not forever! But the senile was no longer up to it ...
      New times have come, but the initiative is still not in demand. Power by itself, people by themselves. And this is the way to another dead end! So - we are running in circles, and running speed is increasing and increasing, because the centrifugal force pushes initiative youth out of our country.
      1. +2
        12 2012 June
        I do not agree with you. There is an initiative and it is developing in people. The state should provide 3 things: defense, the rule of law and provide the necessary funding in the necessary sectors of the economy. Small businesses will find financing and a place in the sun.
        1. Jaromir
          +6
          12 2012 June
          Quote: AK-74-1
          Small businesses will find financing and a place in the sun.

          Never! If small business is not state policy, he, small business, kirdyk! For, one of the three things you declared as the duty of the state, that is, the rule of law, or simply bribery, is completely absent from us. Only prostitution and drug trafficking find a place under the sun in such conditions!
  11. PatriotizTAT
    +5
    12 2012 June
    But Putin’s everything is fine and good! Yes, yes, yes .... and his birth rate has suddenly increased! The USSR was a power and it’s not possible to control the country with thieves ... Putin is handsome .... is there really no normal, adequate savior of Russia ?! angry
    1. qwz_qwz
      +1
      12 2012 June
      USSR it was a power
      It was ... but unfortunately no longer ...
      Is there really no normal, adequate savior of Russia?
      Most likely there is, but so far they are not visible ...
  12. mar.tira
    +7
    12 2012 June
    Who said that we are now living on the rise? LIE !!!! Whole cities and large settlements, military towns and naval bases were built for certain development infrastructures. Literally everything collapsed! And still in agony. We are doing God knows what, Only not by creation. If only to survive! Something starts to recover, but this is MIZER! And mainly with state support, and in military and strategic directions. Large and medium-sized capital does not need those volumes, and the costs of maintaining enterprises, towns, and entire industries that were created under the Soviet Union. But hundreds of thousands of people gave their destinies and souls to the development of these industries. And the workings of which we still live. And where will the rulers of the "new" Russia go now?
    1. Winter
      +7
      12 2012 June
      Quote: mar.tira

      And who said that we now live on the rise? LIES !!!

      On account of the rise! Flea markets again began to grow! What the hell are they trading! And this is an indicator. Again there was a mighty craving for gardening! .. And the same indicator. In salaries and pensions there are more and more new, smelling of paint, notes! .. And this is an indicator! The inverse indicator.
      1. recitatorus
        +5
        12 2012 June
        Winter,
        It is more like a calm before a storm!
  13. +3
    12 2012 June
    As a matter of fact, the article reflects absolutely obvious things. Nothing new is open, but reading is useful.
  14. Eric
    +4
    12 2012 June
    If Russia does not realize its historical and geographical law for 10 years, death awaits us.
    1. broker
      +6
      12 2012 June
      Something tells me that less time!
  15. absaz
    +6
    12 2012 June
    It is necessary to dot the "I" for the collapse of the USSR and indicate the losses. But the commission of inquiry should not be of the type Fedotov, Svanidze.
  16. vladimir70
    +6
    12 2012 June
    Only on TV Putin is promoting himself, but in reality he is not capable of dealing with the economy or coping with corruption. The mess that is going on in Russia is simply beneficial for him, he and his own in the "muddy water" is engaged in the redistribution of property and theft ..... But he will end badly anyway am
    1. Alexander 1958
      +1
      12 2012 June
      Delivered to you +.
      If I'm not mistaken, then Alexander Dugin said that Putin turned Russia on the way to the abyss, but not back to the Union, but to the side. So Russia goes along the edge of the abyss ...
      I think you will agree that Putin has done a lot for Russia and in the most difficult conditions after the EBN. I will not say that Putin is white and fluffy, but stopping the collapse of Russia is no longer enough. Politics is an art of the possible and sometimes you just need to be able to wait for favorable conditions and create them. I think the example of the USSR under Stalin is partially appropriate when he used both the crisis of the 29th year and the contradictions between Germany and the Entente and managed to carry out industrialization. I'd like to hope that this is precisely the moment that Putin is waiting for. There is simply no other such politician in the CIS
      With uv. Alexander 1958
  17. +8
    12 2012 June
    vladimir70,
    After Stalin, there were no independent leaders in the USSR and Russia. There were persons seated on the "throne" by this or that group of people.
    Therefore, our leaders may see it, I admit it and want to put things in order, but they play by the rules of those groups that put them on the "throne".
    A step aside - and he is not on the "throne".
  18. +2
    12 2012 June
    Today, what is called the opposition are trying their best to work out the money data for the collapse of Russia. You look who it is. these are the people who were already in power and still want to. And as usual, with us all the measures taken are half-hearted. Already fraud is not a criminal offense. And what will happen next ?!
    Russia will be torn into smaller pieces and the dream of the Anglo-Saxons will come true. The pantry is open. And they are already in foreign control.
    And the guarantor spent 22 million rubles only on watches with an annual income of 3 miles.
    Who will be nice to fight with yourself !?
    Now all the secrets of the courtyard are being thrown out by the garbage "opposition"
    What will happen next?!
  19. +2
    12 2012 June
    When will a true leader come to power who would lead us from victory to victory? Really all degenerate? Of course not. It’s just that talents are not allowed to advance to power.
    1. lcalex
      +1
      12 2012 June
      That is yes. Do not give. Parkinson’s law in action: the top does not need smart and mobile youth, since they, this youth, are in competition ...
      So they push smart people sad

      As in the joke:

      The slave must look dashing and silly
      In order not to embarrass the authorities with your mind laughing
  20. +1
    12 2012 June
    Very sad with comments. It remains only to believe!
  21. Nechai
    +5
    12 2012 June
    Quote: Vitaly PV
    there was nothing to eat

    Refrigerators for meat and dairies were packed to capacity. The shipment of products was stopped - only at the direction of the Soviet Mine. In front of our dairy - collective farm and state farm milk carriers poured milk directly onto the burning house in front of the gate. Export deliveries were carried out not only in full, but also in increasing volumes. Through empty counters, inflation, etc. instilled the idea - on Fuya Taka the Soviet power! The gap between the supposedly dominant ideology and reality became insurmountable. Publicly, no one perceived those who held power other than empty-headed clowns. And the collapse of the Union was perceived only as getting rid of them. And what promises were there - and on the rails, and in 500 days to equip the whole of Russia, the "conscience of the nation" sexot returned - complete sur ...
  22. +2
    12 2012 June
    Great, bros. I'm very glad you finally drank it - I congratulate you on your success in the struggle for survivability. Although what you so easily presented to the West, you will not return. At least - not at all so easy, fast and cheap.
    1. 0
      13 2012 June
      The main thing is that this West should not be blown away by chef
  23. mind1954
    +2
    13 2012 June
    Since 1949, there has been War Communism in China, which Mao provided
    dictatorial powers. The development of the country's economy required a transition
    to state capitalism NEP, which entailed the introduction
    elements of bourgeois democracy, and to control the country of transition
    from personal dictatorship to party dictatorship. This did not suit Mao and he
    tried, for the sake of personal interests, to go, so-called, "specific
    the Chinese way ", having organized under the conditions of War Communism
    The Great Leap Forward in Economics.
    This event failed miserably, bringing down the country's economy
    It was necessary to answer for the economic failure, but with a personal dictatorship
    and war communism did not want to leave. Then there was
    organized the "Great Cultural Revolution" to find the "guilty" and
    defeat of the party. It was the agony of "War Communism"!
    After the death of Mao Zedong, his entourage, led by his fourth wife
    Jiang Qing, was removed from power and the party carried out so
    necessary transition to NEP with state capitalism !!!
  24. Odinplys
    +2
    13 2012 June
    Could it be any different? There is the experience of China, which was not in the best conditions in the 80s. He began in a more difficult situation than the Soviet Union had, but he was able to achieve serious results by reforming his own economy.

    Everything is so ... only you forget ... that in that confrontation between the two super powers ... all the attention of the Western Zionists ... was directed precisely at the collapse of the USSR ...
    The United States ... then they themselves recognized ... that China was overlooked ...
    And the plans for the establishment of an experimental free economic zone on the territory of Belarus ... western Ukraine ... and the Baltic states ... were already well-known ... it was supposed to be phased out into private ownership ... first, the service sector ... etc .... This is what the Zionists did not allow us to do ... if such a project were successful in the USSR ... the United States would collapse ...
    And China had a chance out of the blue ... to make a breakthrough ... and they were able to use it ... and now the Chinese economy is developing ... in this way ... by the way ... that we were cut off ... of socialist capitalism .. .
    By the way ... Stalin's idea ...
    1. -2
      13 2012 June
      Dear OdinPlys, the Soviet Union began to lose in 1956, slow rot lasted for 30 years and the main grave digger is the Communist Party which turned into a sacred cow and not the front shock vanguard of the country of the Soviets, external attempts would be easily countered by skillful domestic politics, but the Communist Party lost touch. Zionists and Americans are so scary as a bastard in the Kremlin

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