Discussion continues on why C-300 was “silent” in Syria

The Israeli publication Haaretz published a material in which it was stated that many representatives of the Israel Defense Forces were dissatisfied with the revelations of the country's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu regarding Israeli strikes on Syria.

Earlier in Israel, there was actually a tacit rule - not to comment on strikes. The IDF press service most often refused such comments, the government also did not spread about when, from where and for what purposes Israeli rockets were fired. But Netanyahu violated this unwritten principle, for the second time talking about strikes on Syria, and adding that Israel is also striking the Syrian army, as it "supports the Iranian attempts to gain a foothold at Israeli borders." Such an approach to Netanyahu is considered by the Israeli military to be mostly political PR in the context of those corruption scandals that are shaking the Cabinet and specifically its head.

Against this background, the discussion continues on the topic of why C-300 air defense systems supplied by Russia to Syria were "silent".

In the Russian edition of Kommersant, an article was published, which presented data on why the CAA does not use the C-300 anti-aircraft missiles delivered by Russia. The article, co-authored by Marianna Belenkaya and Alexandra Djordjevic, citing unnamed sources, states that the Syrian air defense calculations are not yet ready to use these Russian air defense systems.

Of material in "b":

With the most optimistic version of the system will be able to use from the beginning of March.

It was announced that by this time one C-300 division could be relocated to the T-4 airfield, which would cover Damascus and its international airport, which has recently been subjected to systematic Israeli missile attacks.

Comments

[passerby]

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

[AUL]

For some reason, it seems to me that it is not the Syrians who are not ready to use C-300, but in Moscow.

[igorbrsv]

Syrians are not ready either. What can they oppose Israel? I do not mean the air defense system, but the ground forces. Israel will not leave unanswered the deaths of aircraft and ground operations are entirely possible.

[Zubr]

Now let's see where the rockets were launched from. More than sure, without going into the borders of the state. The use of C-300 would be unreasonable. Therefore, it remained only to shoot down missiles.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Jews use Lebanese airspace, where long-range anti-aircraft missile systems could get them, but do not have the right to do so. Then they hide at low altitudes in the Bekaa Valley region. When a civilian plane flies or lands from a damask airport, the electronic warfare equipment and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems are disabled for safety reasons. At this time, Israeli aircraft are approaching the Syrian borders and launch.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

use Lebanese airspace, where long-range anti-aircraft missile systems could get them, but do not have the right to do so.

Jews spit on all rights and used someone else's sky. Why should Syria not use this right, finally agree with Lebanon on defense. But can this go on forever?

[tomket]

Quote: Mar. Tira

The Jews spat on all rights and used someone else's sky. Why should Syria not use this right, in the end, agree with Lebanon on defense.

This will not happen, because Putin has consistently put aside international law, which everyone spits on. Something like this.

[NordUral]

Something like this. And I think that is not so. He does not defend international law, but his brothers' rights to continue the robbery of the country.

[lewerlin53rus]

Well, who’s talking about something, but lousy about the bathhouse. (For the gifted, I’ll explain that this is a saying, not an insult )

[Anatoly R]

tomket (Alexander) - He has all the PARTNERS.

[Kent0001]

... see post number 2.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Jews spat on all rights and used someone else's sky. Why would Syria not use this right

The strong (in this case Israel) can "spit on the rights" of another. The weak (in this case Syria) cannot afford this.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Normal ok

The strong (in this case Israel) can "spit on the rights" of another.

But what about sovereignty, justice, upholding of the interests of one’s people, and the right to protection? No friend, only vile punks can be spit on others, for whom there will always be a prosecutor. Also, for the same state, nothing will pass without a trace.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Yes, forget about the 10 Commandments and the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism)))

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Alas, strong bandit countries, weak ... persons with low social responsibility. Such is the world ....

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

When a civilian plane flies or lands from a damask airport, the electronic warfare equipment and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems are disabled for safety reasons. At this time, Israeli aircraft are approaching the Syrian borders and launch.

Where are you reading such nonsense, just wondering? probably in the Syrian yellow press?

[Mr Credo]

And what now? There is no antidote and this music will be eternal?

[YOUR]

I have never read more delirium.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: YOUR

I have never read more delirium.

Where are you reading such nonsense, just wondering? probably in the Syrian yellow press?

Then look here:

[YOUR]

Blah blah blah .. And no evidence.

[Pimply]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Jews use Lebanese airspace where long-range anti-aircraft missile systems could get them, but they have no right to do so. Then they hide at low altitudes around the Bekaa Valley. When a civilian plane takes off from Damascus airport, the EW equipment and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems are disconnected according to safety requirements. At this time, Israeli aircraft are approaching the Syrian borders and launching

In fact, all this is nonsense. The Syrians basically wanted to spit on the sovereignty of Lebanese airspace. And shoot in this direction more than once or twice. Here is the closest available example.

"An Al Arabiya correspondent reported that the missile attack came from Lebanese airspace, and the debris of Syrian air defense missiles fell to the ground in the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon."

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/26/12/2018/5c22af869a7947590764b6b0

It's about not eligible.

[aiden]

Arm the hezbola with needles and settle in that valley. And let them wait in the wings.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Zubr

Now let's see where the rockets were launched from. More than sure, without going into the borders of the state. The use of C-300 would be unreasonable. Therefore, it remained only to shoot down missiles.

IL-20 where shot down? Then the Syrians did not interfere, no boundaries. F16 generally shot down over Israel. So the thing is in the eggs, the borders of the Syrians do not bother

[Kent0001]

I ask you to clarify .. the matter Whose Eggs?

[Pimply]

Quote: Tlauicol

So the thing is in the eggs, the borders of the Syrians do not bother

First of all, it’s about opportunities

[serezhasoldatow]

I fully support you. If they had shot at fighters in the airspace of Lebanon, then so much would have ... been poured into the media and there would be reasons to aggravate the situation in the future.

[YOUR]

So many times from Lebanon, Israel has fired on Syria, so that if the Syrians shot down an Israeli plane there, there would be no tension.
Over the past 2 years, Jews have made about 200 raids on Syria, which evidence is needed. Destroyed ... killed ... burned ....

[Dreamboat]

1. S-300 in Syria is small and it can be used effectively 1 time. After that, he will be crushed by a number with active use of electronic warfare, and maybe even ground forces. Therefore, the Syrians are holding the S-300 as a last resort.
2. The exacerbation between Syria, Iran and Israel is necessary for Israel and some forces in the United States to suspend the withdrawal of military forces. Syrians will bring down 1-2 planes and what? Israel will climb back ... and Trump will announce a ground operation to overthrow Assad. First, let the Americans get out and the Kurds join the SAA, and then butt with Israel. Forced while they endure ....

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

It seems to me that the point is not the inefficiency of the S-300. She will show herself worthily - if she enters the matter. But the Jews simply changed their tactics and we need to develop an adequate response to counter it. What I have in mind is that they used to enter Syrian airspace to strike. That's to stop this and a relatively small number of S-300 complexes were delivered, since being in the central regions of the country - they could quite effectively reflect the raids and at the same time remain the most protected complexes of medium and short range - which, in cooperation with the S-300, would provide good interaction. At the same time, training the Syrians would already be enough to repel such single and even group attacks from aircraft that flew into the Syrian Air Force. The Jews, realizing this, changed their tactics and stopped striking all over the territory, but concentrated them in the area of ​​the capital. The work of the S-300 from the depths of the country - does not allow you to get airplanes striking from the Lebanese airspace, since their flight time to the target is more than the time that the Jews need to quickly get out! Therefore, to work effectively on them, it is necessary to relocate the S-300 to the Damascus region and the border with Lebanon. But at the same time, the complexes themselves will become an excellent target for the Jews, and not because they will not be able to fulfill their goals and will not be able to destroy them, but because they will simply be thrown by all that is possible! Since the border with Israel is at hand, the Jews can simultaneously release a huge amount of CR and release a cloud of guided missiles and bombs from aircraft! The S-300 ammunition will not be enough for such an intense confrontation and there will not be time to reload! It is clear that in order to protect the S-300, which should work on carriers (planes) and not be distracted by trifles, a multi-level defense needs to be added with additional medium and short-range complexes of Torah and Shell, and their number should be an order of magnitude higher than what is now protects the Damascus area. Only in this case, and in addition to this - increasing the number of S-300 systems at times - does it make sense to relocate them to the airport area. And the training of the S-300 crews in this case should be at the highest level, since all the calculations in this group need to be ready to reflect a massive strike from thousands of various targets and for many hours! This level of training is achieved through years of training and dozens of launches on targets at the training grounds. Whether they will be able to prepare the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners this way is a question. But again, I repeat - now there is no necessary number of complexes to protect the S-300 - Tori and Shell, and there are no trained Syrian calculations. Therefore, even if a decision is made to withdraw from combat duty and transfer the necessary number of complexes from Russia, our calculations will have to manage them. Whether the leadership of the Russian Federation is ready for this is a question, but it is clear that such impunity of the Jews cannot continue indefinitely.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

Whether the leadership of the Russian Federation is ready for this is a question, but it is clear that such impunity of the Jews cannot continue indefinitely.

let's take off our rose-colored glasses and look at what is happening. in Russia everything goes on as usual in the region. there are agreements with all participants. we do not meddle in the showdown between Israel and Iran, Israel guarantees that it does not strike at Russian targets. once failed, Syria received the S-300. whether or not the S-300 will fire at the Jews, Russia does not care, as well as the destroyed Syrian "Pantsir" and "Thor". new ones will buy. this is the business of the Syrians. there is no point in protecting Iranians in Syria either. economic relations with Iran are certainly there, but friends from Iran are even worse than from Turkey.
Of course, this arms sales market is not as chic as that of the Americans in the SA (these tanks are ruined and the ships taken for rent are chic. Chic customers!), but also not bad.

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

Well, let's point by point. over not all the same that the Syrian Shells were destroyed, since this is a blow to the image of Russia and its military-industrial complex, which could be missing hundreds of millions of dollars from failed contracts!
Second, Russia does not sell this equipment, but in essence it donates, since now there is nothing to take from the Syrians and the fact that these deliveries go to the expense of loans - it is clear that they will be written off over time. So we are tearing off these Shells from ourselves - not supplying these complexes in sufficient quantities to our units, postponing delivery dates to a later date.
As the Jews comply with the agreements, we already know after the demise of the Il-20 and we don’t need to think that if the Jews do not have an urgent need again, they will not turn a blind eye to such formalities. Therefore, with the guarantee of the security of our military, which are located at dozens of Syrian sites, not everything is as clear as you described it!
One must also understand - why the Jews began to attack the Syrian air defense systems so intensely - they destroy them before we use the centralized integrated air defense system. Therefore, as Kedmi said, without waiting for this, the Jews began to hunt for the complex while they were working alone, bringing the intensity of the strikes above the level that he could reflect alone without the support of other complexes. And this means that in the near future we will have nothing to create this echeloned defense from, or to deliver not individual units, but dozens of new ones paid from our budget.
And finally, no one really has any illusions about the destabilizing role Iran plays in Syria. I myself spoke about this in a comment, for example here: avia.pro/news/stalo-izvestno-chto-ohranyayut-noveyshie-siriyskie-s-300#comment-62698
Understanding this does not relieve us of the responsibility to maintain and restore the Syrian army, and the destruction of its air defense systems will not contribute to this, no matter how you reassure us!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

Well, let's point by point. over not all the same that the Syrian Shells were destroyed, since this is a blow to the image of Russia and its military-industrial complex,

in which place? what's the blow? the fact that they put the Syrians in them? they themselves saw the video. at least the Pantsir was in "full Syrian combat readiness", the radar was turned off, the combat module was in the stowed position.

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

Second, Russia does not sell this equipment, but in essence it donates, since now there is nothing to take from the Syrians and the fact that these deliveries go to the expense of loans - it is clear that they will be written off over time.

oh well you! true? that is, ISIS members have been fighting for more than 10 years now, but they give Assad everything?
again, remove the pink glasses.

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

As the Jews comply with the agreements, we already know after the demise of the Il-20 and we don’t need to think that if the Jews do not have an urgent need again, they will not turn a blind eye to such formalities. Therefore, with the guarantee of the security of our military, which are located at dozens of Syrian sites, not everything is as clear as you described it!

I have already said about this. if it were not for this mess, the S-300 in Syria would not exist. and this is not only a question of the security of our military, excluding accidental hits of missiles without the "friend or foe" module, but also an economic issue. The S-300 is not cheap.

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

One must also understand - why the Jews began to attack the Syrian air defense systems so intensively - they destroy them before we use the centralized integrated air defense system.

1 Thor and 1 Carapace? on this Syrian air defense ended ??? here is the news! that is, the fact that the main part of the strike was aimed not at air defense, but at Hamas infrastructure, will we not take it into account?

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

Understanding this does not relieve us of the responsibility to maintain and restore the Syrian army, and the destruction of its air defense systems will not contribute to this, no matter how you reassure us!

but I do not reassure you I’m just stating the fact that Syrian air defense is a matter of Syria, taking into account the interests of Russia. The creation of a layered air defense system is a project of Syria, not Russia. Russia contractor performing work. the fact that the Syrians have already lost 3 Russian complexes is not the merit of the Israelis and not the problem of Russia, but an indicator of the mediocre fighting efficiency of the Syrian air defense forces. the first destroyed carapace taught them nothing. and he will teach the second vryatli, which means there will be a third and a fourth.

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

In your comments, I did not find any logic or meaningfulness of what you are writing about - a complete chatter. Piled into a bunch - all that came to mind?

[Sanichsan]

the first time I see such a sluggish drain in the second post, the argumentation ran out.

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

Well, what is there to comment on. Well, for example, your argument:
"I am simply stating the fact that the air defense of Syria is a matter for Syria, taking into account the interests of Russia. The creation of an echeloned air defense system is a project of Syria, not Russia."
Well, how to comment on such a chatter? What does Syria decide there - what kind of air defense system should it have? Is it decided in our Defense Ministry and the General Staff, or do you really not understand this?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Vladimir Tesnikov

Well, how to comment on such a chatter? What does Syria decide there - what kind of air defense system should it have? Is it decided in our Defense Ministry and the General Staff, or do you really not understand this?

shit! Is this when Syria became a region of Russia? Did I miss something? Isn't Syria a sovereign country? again. for those in parallel reality - Syria sovereign a country with a government elected by the Syrians. as a sovereign country, Syria has its the army of which owl air defense. Russia acts as the contractor In the organisation Syrian Air Defense.
how much does it take to think that Russia is forcing Syria to create air defense?!?

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

Well, then you’re offended by the fact that your comments are called a nonsense?

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Vladimir Tesnikov.
1) “I think that the point is not the inefficiency of the S-300. She will show herself worthily - if she enters into business. ”
- the Syrian air defense system and, probably, the Syrian Air Force will be destroyed in the event of obvious threats and the downing of several Israeli aircraft.
So it was at least 3 times: Syria's air defense and air force was destroyed by Israel when Syria fought with Israel in a coalition with 6-26 countries;
2) “What do I mean - before, for striking, they entered the airspace of Syria.
- Israeli aircraft used to rarely enter the Syrian Air Force. KR MARS, SkySniper and Rampage have a range of up to 150 km, KR Delilah has a range of 250 km. That is, most of Syria is "shot" from the south and from the west at a sufficient distance.
3) Judging by recent events, Israel warned Syria that it would bomb the Iranians and recommended that the Syrians not intervene. The Israelis, in one way or another, will destroy any air defense installations that interfere with the destruction of the forces and means of the Iranians and Hezbollah.
4) “In order to stop this, a relatively small number of S-300 complexes were delivered, since being in the central regions of the country — they could quite effectively reflect the raids and at the same time remain the most protected complexes of medium and short range - which in cooperation with the S-300 would provide good interaction. ”
- The presence of the S-300 in the center of Syria, near the border with Lebanon, will make them accessible for air, land and sea weapons of Israel. Protecting them (after the recent events with the Shells and TORs) requires study.
5) “At the same time, training the Syrians would already be enough to repel such single and even group strikes from aircraft that flew into the Syrian Air Force.”
- The training of SAR air defense personnel is in question, because they randomly shoot themselves without knowing what: from IL-20 to firing at their own air defense missiles.
6) “Since the border with Israel is close by, the Jews can simultaneously release a huge amount of KR and release a cloud of guided missiles and bombs from aircraft!”
- It’s enough to launch a mass of missiles and drones - tricks, anti-radar missiles, reconnaissance, strike UAVs and other drones, to force the main ammunition to be used up, and only then, to suppress the air defense system, fighters are used, and all this is accompanied by AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft, air tankers, ground-based weapons of destruction and support, by satellite.
7) Therefore, even if a decision is made to withdraw from combat duty and transfer the necessary number of complexes from Russia, our calculations will have to manage them. Whether the leadership of the Russian Federation is ready for this is a question, but it is clear that such impunity of the Jews cannot continue indefinitely.
- Is the Russian Federation ready, politically and militarily, to fight Israel for some kind of Syria? Unlikely.
- Is the Russian Federation ready, politically and militarily, to fight with Israel for some Iran and Hezbollah there? Definitely not. Russia benefits from weakening Iran and Hezbollah in Syria.
- I think that if the conflict between Syria and Israel goes into the hot phase, the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense will be destroyed within a few hours, as has already been done several times. With certain losses to the parties.
- Russia, in fact, will take a neutral position.

[Sanichsan]

all is correct except for one moment. Israel is also not as smooth as they would like.
The "iron dome" is suitable for repelling 3-5 Palestinian rockets made of shit and sticks. last year the dome fell down from the massive launch of the same homemade products. serious casualties were avoided only due to the imperfect design of the Palestinian missiles.
There was also an incident with a volley of two cities. at that time, the targets were hit and the dome could not do anything at all.

I also remind you of the launch of Iranian ballistic missiles against terrorists near the borders of Israel. as if hinting.

so in the event of a direct clash, Israel needs to destroy not only air defense but also Syria’s weapons of destruction capable of reaching Israeli targets, not only in Syria but also in Iran. I doubt very much that Israel has the means for such a massive blow.

I also recall that today at the UN, the Syrian delegation stated that in the event of a second strike it would respond symmetrically. Is Israel ready for rocket attacks on its own cities? not on the line of contact with Palestine, but in this country. we will see.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

1. Iron Dome is a good system, no need to slander the excess. This system with a GREAT degree of probability knocks down targets, but not 100%: it doesn’t shoot down part because they fly to uninhabited areas. And, like any complex system, it may miss something. Americans will not buy bullshit. They can sell bullshit!)))
2. Of course, with the launches of hundreds (or thousands) of missiles, the Iron Dome cannot stand it. But there are no invulnerable systems, in general, and air defense, in particular. In the world, no one has systems that could repel a massive air attack. Alas!
3. Like no 100% invulnerable aircraft. Alas!
4. With regard to Syria, especially in its current state, and objects on the territory, Israel has every opportunity for their destruction. 3 times Israel destroyed the Air Force and Air Defense SAR completely. I think that will succeed in 4 ...
5. Regarding Iran ... https: //topwar.ru/4316-izrail-protiv-irana.html it's here ...
6. Syria will not hit the cities of Israel, it will be the death of Syria alike.
7. Israel is trying not to touch Assad and his CAA whenever possible.
Shl. By the way, as a lieutenant, I talked in the officers' hostel with the major - he was an instructor for the Egyptians on the MiG-21 during the War of Attrition ... he had a high opinion of the "Zionist" enemy.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

2. Of course, with the launches of hundreds (or thousands) of missiles, the Iron Dome cannot stand it. But there are no invulnerable systems, in general, and air defense, in particular. In the world, no one has systems that could repel a massive air attack. Alas!

alas, but practice has shown that not hundreds but tens. yes, the system is better than American patriots, but it can cope with small (up to 10 missiles) Palestinian strikes, but it can’t cope with 2 hails at all. two and not a division. Syria has a noticeably larger division of hailstones, plus their homemade products run on black. and that's not counting Iran with ballistic missiles capable of hitting targets throughout Israel.

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

6. Syria will not hit the cities of Israel, it will be the death of Syria alike.

very controversial. there are many Russian instructors in Syria and a large Russian infrastructure. It will not work to strike a massive blow without hitting the Russians, and this is a direct conflict with Russia. a military conflict with Russia is the last thing Israel needs, especially given the constant growth of trade with Russia.

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

7. Israel is trying not to touch Assad and his CAA whenever possible.

everyone knows that it turns out niochen also we must not forget that Iran is no less close ally to Syria than Russia. demanding Assad to expel Hazbullah from the country is even more absurd than requiring the Japanese to close US bases. The Japanese under the occupation are at least some kind of motivation, and the Iranians are on the side of Syria from the very beginning of the conflict. the situation with the presence of Iran in Syria will not change.

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Shl. By the way, as a lieutenant, I talked in the officers' hostel with the major - he was an instructor for the Egyptians on the MiG-21 during the War of Attrition ... he had a high opinion of the "Zionist" enemy.

here it is more interesting what opinion he had about his charges. judging by the footage of the defeat of the Syrian air defense, the preparation and discipline of the calculations leaves much to be desired.

[Ashkelon79]

Tell me please, did "shit and sticks" ever get into the house next to you?
Did you run with babies in a bomb shelter, 6-7 times a night?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Ashkelon79

Tell me please, did "shit and sticks" ever get into the house next to you?
Did you run with babies in a bomb shelter, 6-7 times a night?

dear, they directly tell you that Palestinian rockets are primitive home-made products. dangerous but primitive. but Iranian ballistic missiles are no longer so primitive, and after hitting such a missile, a bomb shelter might fall asleep with you and babies.
you’re actually being asked to think carefully with your head before striking another blow to Syria and screaming how you’re going to tear everyone there with one finger.

[Ashkelon79]

And no one screams about all tear.
Just ask Iran to leave Syria.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Ashkelon79

Just ask Iran to leave Syria.

this is even less likely than Russia's withdrawal from Syria. Iran sided with the legitimate Syrian government from the very beginning of the conflict. and here Israel, which recently carried out an operation to evacuate the "white helmets", asks Iran to withdraw from Syria. Are you seriously?

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

I do not agree with part of your arguments, while others do not contradict mine, but only confirm them. Well, for example, the fact that to suppress the air defense system - it is bombarded with everything that is possible. I said this - that a large number of short- and medium-range systems will be needed to destroy the amount that Jews will release on systems, both on the S-300 and those that will cover them.
I will only add that if such a massive blow to the Syrian air defense system takes place, Syria will not be limited to just a reflection of such a strike, and retaliatory strikes against Israeli territory will follow. What will strike, by what forces and means, and on what targets is another question, But there is no need to harbor the illusion that it is possible to destroy the entire Syrian air defense system with impunity and this will end! Jewish aviation, without any doubt - can easily cope with the Syrian, but it sticks in the sand if it gets into the Syrian air force - both the delivered S-300s and the Russian air defense systems that were silent before that will work, and it is clear that in this case, the airborne forces will not sit out at the airfields in Khmeimim, and its number will be quickly increased at times! And not everything will be so unambiguous in the event of a full-scale aggression against the Syrians, and a large-scale blow to the air defense system will be exactly what Russia will regard. Therefore, you should not so joyfully evaluate the possibilities of the Jews in the war with Syria - since the alignment of forces, only with the active involvement of Iran will be completely different from what the Jews used to face in their past wars with the Arabs. And Russia's participation on the side of Syria, which must use its strike systems at facilities in Israel, can put an end to this state!
The fact that we are not advantageous for Iran’s presence in Syria in the quality that it currently represents, namely, a provocateur in starting a war in the BV region, is unambiguous. While Iran will be engaged in the construction of its military infrastructure in Syria, there will be no peace in this country!
The fact that Russia will take a neutral position in the dismantling of Jews with Hezbollah and Iranians is already understandable, and it demonstrates this from the very beginning. But there is no need to be mistaken about the full-scale aggression of Israel against Syria - in this case, Russia will unequivocally take the side of the Syrians and this is really understood in Tel Aviv and therefore they do not make sharp movements in this direction. Netanyahu’s repeated visits to Moscow made it clear to him that the squabbles between Israel and the Iranians and Hezbollah didn’t concern us much, but direct aggression against Syria and its army is a challenge to Russia.
And in continuation of this topic - will Russia want to fight with Israel for some kind of Syria? She has already started fighting for her since 2015 (you just did not notice it))) and not only with Israel, which actively participated in the creation of both ISIS structures and "moderate" opposition on its territory, but also with everything "civilized" ( USA with its sixes from NATO) and the not very civilized world - the countries of the Persian Gulf and Turkey. Therefore, do not have the illusion that Russia will abandon its ally like this. Yes, and it is foolish to count on this, given how much she has invested in the defeat of the fosterlings and in consolidation in this region. Russia will not allow its victory to be drained because of the ambitions of both the Jews (who will be blown away) and the Iranians - this is not serious!
Syria's air defense system will not be destroyed in the event of the downing of several Jewish planes - do not be mistaken! That's why it and the air defense system - which can stand up for itself and is not known - who will be the hunter and who will be the game. Let me remind you that the Syrians shot down a Jewish F-200 without any problems with the S-16 anti-aircraft missile and would have shot down the second one if it had not covered itself with the Russian Il-20 board! No one doubts that there will be such attempts, but what will come of it is a big question. Your references to historical analogies are unconvincing and inappropriate, because now the time is different and the systems in service with us and the Syrians are different and the alignment of forces in this region is different!

[slavinsk]

For now, it always means. There is war, not a border conflict, if the enemy destroys the country, then there must be a similar answer so that it is not disastrous. What is the use of shooting down rockets without destroying their carriers, wherever they are.

[aiden]

And what do you think is an extreme case?

[Duty]

Quote: serezhasoldatow

If they were fucking at fighters in the airspace of Lebanon, then

Who's stopping the fucking? Forward. Only then do not be surprised that all the hammers are hammered into the sands.

[Vladimir 5]

The Kremlin kagal is stopping it. And who in response will hammer into the sand, when Israeli airbases are within reach of calibers and other C 400s ... There is no problem, but you always have to pay bills, even with deferred payments ...

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Kagal, of course, although the Kremlin, but still, mostly Slavic, probably at least 80% - the Slavs. The government of the Russian Federation - Russian in Ukrainian is sitting and the Tatar is driving the Bashkir.

[Vladimir 5]

To Fime's reserve ... So Mendel with Laverman and Shelomov in the main, Sechin with the other Vekselbergs and Nabiullins for money, and the main Chubais from the giyur, everything is seized there, so that there is reason to rejoice, is it not visible from the policy towards Israel ... ...

[Ashkelon79]

Well said ... about the payment.
Why does the Russian Federation, after 20 years, still pay tribute to Chechnya, after two Chechen ones?
Do not remind how many lards Gazprom wrote off to them?
How many guys went down there, don’t you remember?

[Vladimir 5]

Ashkelon 79..You don’t respect me at all, I got such a small seed on the hook. But I’ll answer, R. Kadyrov and his associates, and the people need to be supported, we have nothing to kill the provoked people from under the KSA and other Wahhabis, however, this is also for your safety. No matter how you feed the state Wahhabis led by the KSA with weapons and other things, they will bite you and hurt you anyway .. These are the main roots of Islamic terrorism and you need to uproot, I’m afraid that your council of rabbis specifically keeps you under siege, but not yet fatal, throwing brushwood into Islamic terrorism ... It’s better you stop supporting KSA, because your rabbinate from the former harmless snakes spread poisonous snakes around the gadyushniki to support you in a harness ... Congratulations ...

[Ashkelon79]

Vladimir, you’ll forgive me, but it’s really bad with the Russian: the words seem to be familiar, but I didn’t catch the point in what was written.

[Vladimir 5]

Ashkelon ... Not in Russian, the problem is the vastness of thinking, but I can’t help here ...

[Pimply]

Quote: serezhasoldatow

I fully support you. If they had shot at fighters in the airspace of Lebanon, then so much would have ... been poured into the media and there would be reasons to aggravate the situation in the future.

Stupidity

[vladcub]

And it is difficult

[AnderS]

Therefore, it remained only to shoot down missiles.

Do not write nonsense, if you use your logic, then when launching ballistic missiles in Russia, we have the right to only shoot down missiles, but we have no right to strike back at the state from whose territory the missiles were launched. If rockets are hit in your country, you can shoot down the carrier from which the rockets were launched, even in your own, even outside your airspace. If for some reason you do not want / cannot adequately respond to the aggressor - you do not need to come up with insolvent excuses - it is better to remain silent ...

[tap]

ICBMs also fly from abroad, so what?

[Igoresha]

The use of S-300 would be unreasonable.

it's an excuse

[Tank jacket]

More Israelis will die on earth — this is the first. Israel will fight on several fronts, without US support.

[Shahno]

When did this AOI scarecrow? There will be no ground operation against Syria, the reason for this is obvious (main).

[tlauicol]

Quote: Shahno

When did this AOI scarecrow? There will be no ground operation against Syria, the reason for this is obvious (main).

What if not a secret?

[Shahno]

This is not beneficial for Israel now. Human and material losses will lead to an unnecessary crisis within the country and to a crisis in relations with partners from Russia. We are not on the verge of annihilation, so a large-scale ground operation does not make sense.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Vladimir Tesnikov.
There will be no ground operation, if only because
1) to flee unnecessary casualties among the soldiers;
2) that it is expensive;
3) that prisoners need to be fed.
Ground operation will be, if only because
1) to push the border further north;
2) to make a security zone several tens of kilometers as it is now in the Golan.
3) to once again show the Arabs that the non-recognition of Israel, the threat to Israel, attacks on Israel will have to give territory (as has been done more than once).

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

"To Vladimir Tesnikov.
There will be no ground operation, if only because, "
This lieutenant colonel:
“As I understand it, you got the wrong address?”

[Tank jacket]

When in the US, Trump announced Shatdaun and already state. the servants lined up for a free lunch they would have no time for Israel — their shirt is closer to the body. And without the United States, Israel will not stand up against the Shiite Sunni Muslims without a difference. Israel-Madame Broken

[Pimply]

Quote: Tank jacket

When in the US, Trump announced Shatdaun and already state. the servants lined up for a free lunch they would have no time for Israel — their shirt is closer to the body. And without the United States, Israel will not stand up against the Shiite Sunni Muslims without a difference. Israel-Madame Broken

Before 1969, he was fine.
Shatdaun in the United States annual case.

[Tank jacket]

Only this time he dragged on, even in Davos they didn’t go and Nancy Palosi couldn’t get through the BV and couldn’t go to Afghanistan, but she wanted so much, tried so hard ... Well, she couldn’t.

[Rabioso]

You should have taught history better. Israel survived in a complete hostile environment and now it does not exist at all

[YOUR]

On the territory of Israel there are 6 strategic depots with weapons, ammunition and ammunition of the forces of rapid deployment of the US Army. If necessary, Israel has permission to use them. And there, of course, not only machine guns and cartridges.
.... In Israel, there are six military bases of the American army, filled with a variety of weapons: "smart bombs", missiles, weapons, armored vehicles and even a field hospital with 500 beds. This information is published by "Maariv" with reference to foreign sources. According to sources, the bases are located in Herzliya Pituach, Ben Gurion Airport, as well as on the territory of the Ovdat and Nevatim Air Force bases ....
An Israeli military base operates in Israel. .......... The base, therefore, aims to increase the strength of missile defense and air defense of Israel.

The base is located on the territory of the Israeli air defense base "Mashavey Sade" (south of Be'er Sheva), where the Israeli air defense school (BISLA) is located.

The purpose of the base personnel is to service the AN / TPY-2 radar installed in Israel in 2008.
This radar has unique parameters. It provides over-the-horizon detection with a sensitivity that allows you to detect objects the size of a grapefruit at a distance of 2 miles, while Tehran is only 900 miles to the northeast. The radar allows you to detect the Shahab-1000 missile launched towards Israel after a few seconds of flight, 3-6 minutes earlier than the Israeli EL / M-7 Green Pine radar, which is part of the HEC system. And these six to seven minutes are extremely important, they provide, if necessary, additional time to launch a second missile defense, and that the wreckage of the missile, its warhead, will fall in the Jordanian desert, and not in densely populated areas of Israel.


Here is such information. And how do you think getting this info. Will Israel remain without US support or not?

[Tank jacket]

Of course, outwardly, everything looks cloudless for Israel, but why is a man from the Netherlands going to send an ark to Israel?
https://ru.euronews.com/2018/11/29/ru-dutch-built-noahs-ark-and-sails-to-israel

This is a transparent hint-who listened-well done

[YOUR]

This of course explains everything.
Ark build and in Israel send it powerfully

[Tank jacket]

Wait and see...

[Tank jacket]

- The USSR is gone. The situation in the Middle East has changed radically. Like the allies of the United States. Sunni monarchies now with Al Qaeda and the United States have imposed Syria. Iran is next in turn, although the solution of this issue for a number of reasons by the Americans may be postponed. And in these conditions, the “Israeli gendarme” is no longer needed in the region; moreover, it is starting to interfere.
- Israel was also called the unsinkable US aircraft carrier in the Arab desert!
- If this function is not needed, is Israel itself needed? The answer is clear. Most likely, the West is dismantling this state as unnecessary, as A. Toynbee had predicted and what the cunning Kissinger openly hinted at in the fall. Dismantles, of course, having evacuated the upper 30–40% of the population of the “Promised Land”.
- Where?
“You have to ask Kissinger.” There are many good places in the world.
- Once Jews asked Crimea for Stalin. He did not trifle. Generously allocated more territory. In Birobidzhan, in the Far East. Now Crimea is unlikely to become the new promised land. There is a lot of tension between the Slavs and the Turks. Odessa is small. They talked about the Dnepropetrovsk region. It is no coincidence that in the fall they opened the world's largest Jewish community center, Menorah. Preparing for relocation?

[Pimply]

Quote: Tank jacket

- Israel was also called the unsinkable US aircraft carrier in the Arab desert!

I wonder who

[KCA]

The CAA ground forces fought a lot in five years, in five years you can teach a cat to eat mustard, especially with the help of instructors from Russia, and Iran, in the case of direct aggression, may well fit in with Syria, and many who can, on occasion, kick explicitly or secretly.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: KCA

CAA ground forces fought a lot in five years, in five years a cat can be taught to eat mustard, especially with the help of instructors from Russia, and Iran, in the case of direct aggression, may well fit into Syria

Sorry, but you probably don't know the realities of the Syrian war at all. The fact is that the Syrian government army over the past years has been catastrophically depleted, the air force has been almost completely destroyed, and the quality of the personnel of the air defense forces is very low now. And Iran, on the contrary, is the main source of problems in the region, it is he who does not just help Syria, like, for example, Russia, but also provokes Israel in every possible way (recall that the latest turmoil began after an Iranian ground-to-ground missile strike on an Israeli ski resort on Mount Hermon).

[KCA]

Is the Syrian army exhausted? And who ISIS dispersed? IRGC? Hezbollah? Russia did not conduct ground operations, with the exception of reconnaissance and target designation, is there a difference between reconnaissance and military operation?

[Arberes]

Quote: KCA

And who ISIS dispersed? IRGC? Hezbollah?

And they are also volunteer units from Iraq and Afghanistan, and beyond the Euphrates Kurds under the "sensitive" leadership of the States.

[Arberes]

Quote: KCA

Do you really think that more than 100 SAA soldiers,

Where does this figure come from? Almost a third of the army, Assad defected or went over to the side of illegal groups.
Fatimiiyun has its own armored vehicles, but not in large numbers. Mortars and "carts" mostly.

[KCA]

Let a third, but with a total number of 100, the remaining part is clearly the largest of all volunteers and definitely better armed, a tank, for example, requires maintenance, where do the volunteers have technical facilities and spare parts for tanks? I’m not talking about SZRO and especially Pinocchio, perhaps they had tanks, but how much combat-ready?

[Demon_is_ada]

The war has been going on there for a long time, some teenagers there are not trained to read and write, not to mention higher education. We had a similar situation during the Great Patriotic War in the second half, but for the Syrians everything is much worse. For a rather long time, the slogan "study, study and study" was realized in our country, so people were more or less literate, there was a basis for training specialists. Modern technology requires a lot of training to be effectively applied and it is one thing to chase the same ragamuffins, and another to grapple with a very developed country. And it was Russia that was engaged in intelligence and planning, that is, intellectual warfare. I quite often watch videos from Syria to assess the combat effectiveness. The results are not encouraging. Massively, I observe the same thing - the complete absence of fortifications in open areas, there are not even cells in the defense, all the use of natural irregularities. Another characteristic feature is to gather in a bunch of about 30 people behind some kind of mound and drink some tea ... mlyn, a mortar's dream. By the way, igiloids suffer from the same ideas ... To command such is something ... they quickly end

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: KCA

Is the Syrian army exhausted? And who ISIS dispersed? IRGC? Hezbollah? Russia did not conduct ground operations, with the exception of reconnaissance and target designation, is there a difference between reconnaissance and military operation?

Yes, by the way, an article appeared just today about Iranians in Syria - there is evidence that how many people are present, and so - there are already more Iranian wax and their allies than the official Syrian army.

[Arberes]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

The fact is that the Syrian government army has been catastrophically exhausted over the past years, the Air Force has been almost completely destroyed, and the quality of the personnel of the air defense forces is very low now

And there is.

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

the turmoil began after an Iranian surface-to-surface missile strike at the Israeli ski resort on Mount Hermon).

And before that, Israel itself bombed several times on Iran’s facilities in Syria. Little revenge for the dead officers and soldiers of the IRGC?

[dolfi1]

That's right. But that's not all. Things are worse there. Firstly, do not forget that the Syrian army is not homogeneous, there the officers are Alavite Assad, and the soldiers are all the rest, including the Sunnis. The same Sunnis who recently fought against Assad.
And about Iran, this is true, but even worse. In the Syrian army, there is a war between Russia and Iran for influence. War in the full sense. As you probably vkurse Maher Assad (Assad's brother), commands 4 divisions and he is completely under the influence of Iran, and the 8th division under the influence of Russia. So, not long ago these two divisions fought, there is a real war there. It got to the point that the Iranians sent reinforcements to Maher, while Russia today raised its planes and conducted a "simulated attack" on these very columns of reinforcements. Here is your ally for whom some comrades are "bombing Israel." Have you thought why Russia was not very indignant at the recent Israeli operation? Or maybe it's just very beneficial for Russia? The division of Syria is in full swing, Iran wants more than Russia is ready to give. And there is also Turkey on the other side. And everything is just beginning.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: dolfi1

Iran wants more than Russia is ready to give.

Iran just wants to make Syria its province, and for reasons unknown to me, Assad is almost ready to help him.

[Arberes]

Quote: igorbrsv

I do not mean the air defense system, but the ground forces. Israel will not leave unanswered the deaths of aircraft and ground operations are entirely possible.

The trend worries me. First, the "Armor" will be knocked out, then the S-300 will be taken over.
Without the support of its Air Force, Israel’s ground operation is not in sight.
Well, a vicious circle.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: igorbrsv

Syrians are not ready either.

C'mon, all the missiles are shot down again. The best air defense in the world

[igorbrsv]

No. Each rocket hit the target. Hundreds of Iranian cargo planes, about a thousand missiles were damaged, Damascus airport has long been a fiction and exists only in our imagination .

[KCA]

Is there actually a hundred cargo planes in Iran? There’s so much horseradish in Russia, it’s bigger than Iran, well, on the wing, at least

[igorbrsv]

Here I am surprised

[Mr Credo]

How will it look like? General mobilization and invasion with the full occupation of Syria?

[shahor]

Quote: Mister Creed

General mobilization and invasion with the full occupation of Syria?

I think no. First of all, a few words in defense of those who in Russia are developing solutions to Syria. Here, experts said that to create reliable air defense in Syria, it is necessary to place 5-6 regiments of S-300 air defense systems. Well, let’s say the Russian Federation had somewhere around the extra air defense regiments laden with personnel — the Syrians do not have that many specialists and they can’t be prepared quickly. Suppose we managed to seriously close the sky. The consequences are here. Israel will never come to terms with the creation of Iranian bases on adjacent territory - they talked about this. Israeli actions - attack by ground forces of Iran’s facilities in Syria. With the support of the Air Force. Yes, there will be losses in the Air Force, but air defense will be chewed together with personnel. Assad does not have an army capable of withstanding the IDF. Iranian guards and Shiite barmaleys from Iraq and Afghanistan, with all their fanaticism, can, with varying degrees of success, fight against their Sunni colleagues in barmalism, but nothing more. Israel will immediately declare that its goal is not the overthrow of Assad (and this is so) but the destruction of Iranian bases. This approach will receive support both in the United States and in the European Union amid the sanctions that the latter imposed against Iran. Arabs. 100% friendly neutrality - the weakening of Iran - the dream of the KSA and the monarchies of the Persian Gulf. Do not forget that Assad Alavit, i.e. Shiites, Alawites in Syria - about 10%. His position is awful, even Egypt is neither a friend nor an ally. I won’t even talk about Erdogan, he will be engaged in Kurds under the guise. In sediment, only the Russian Federation can help, but theoretically. The first one. Becoming a belligerent is automatically subject to the Montreux Convention, according to which the Turks can not just, are obliged to close the Straits for the Black Sea power participating in the hostilities. If Syria is, to some extent, a theater with limited access, it will become a theater with a closed one — for some reason, I think that the international coalition will begin air force exercises in eastern Syria with the closure of airspace. An attack on Israel is the answer to Tartus, Khmeinim and the territory of Russia. Israel also has calibers, if anyone did not know. A nuclear strike is a counter-response to what Israel has not had since Golda Meir. But these are terrible bedtime stories. The bottom line is that in the General Staff of the Russian Federation, apparently, it is not in vain that they eat bread and, apparently, they have long considered the possible scenarios. Yes, they installed the S-300, but to protect the Iranians was not a hand, in Syria, each for himself. Asad, there is nowhere to go, the Iranians will leave, he will be killed. That's trying. Russia already supplies him with enough equipment, helps to set up a service, I believe that the bases were paid in full (I'm not talking about the lives of Russians who died in Syria). So for now, they will bomb the Iranians in Syria. There will be our formidable statements, nothing more. And do not consider this as a sign of weakness; it is the result of a sober assessment of a complex geopolitical situation.

[Mr Credo]

An interesting train of thought! Let's see what happens in real life. I think everything will be clarified in the interval half a year or a year.

[dolfi1]

"Do not forget that Assad-Alawite, ie Shiites, Alawites in Syria are about 10%." This is not entirely true, Assad is as much a Shiite as a Sunni. He and the Alawites are not even recognized as Muslims. For the sake of some geopolitical benefits, the Shiites declared that they accepted him, the same was said by the Sunnis in their time when he was useful to them. So here grandmother said in two. Recently, the Emirates returned their embassy to Syria, you look Assad will be accepted back into the Sunnis again. BV people, this is not Europe for you.

[KCA]

S-300 of various modifications removed from combat duty, sent for storage, and 5, and 6 regiments can be put, the question is in the modification, options for the S-300 non-export model is not a fact that they will be sent somewhere, only the defendant must be removed, at least

[Vladimir Tesnikov]

Well said and to the point. Even, perhaps, our leadership is deliberately in no hurry to take measures against strikes against the Iranians, in order to bring them to their senses at least a little. All that remains is to find "arguments" for Assad to give up Iran's support in his sacred struggle with the Jews. So far, he cannot do this for objective reasons - there is no strength to carry out ground operations and therefore he will sit on two chairs.

[Altona]

Quote: igorbrsv

Israel will not leave unanswered the deaths of aircraft and ground operations are entirely possible.

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Occupation is an expensive pleasure.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote from AUL

For some reason, it seems to me that it is not the Syrians who are not ready to use C-300, but in Moscow.

Syrians are still in training, the press writes.

[Mr Credo]

And then what do ours go to Syria for a military specialty? And there are few ways to get around formalities?

[Baloo]

Quote from AUL

For some reason, it seems to me that it is not the Syrians who are not ready to use C-300, but in Moscow.

Nothing to add. As long as they do not get polygonal in the nose, they will not calm down. What kind of babble: Moscow asked Israel not to bomb the airport in Damascus anymore ????? It was a shame to hear this in the media. We will never agree with the Turkogans and the polygonal ones, only with the help of more power for any crawl on our interests and the interests of our allies.

[SSR]

Quote from AUL

For some reason it seems to me that

+ since it was originally said that the S-300 will be integrated into our air defense system, but something suggests that in the next three months, a "salvo" will occur.

[Mr Credo]

Which system will be integrated into our system? Our back in the 17th year announced a centralized air defense control system in Syria. This was announced in the media. If not mistaken, then in August.

[SSR]

Quote: Mister Creed

Which system will be integrated into our system? Our back in the 17th year announced a centralized air defense control system in Syria.

We are probably about the same thing but with flaws.
Our "Pantsiri", "Torah" S-400, etc., covering Khmeimi and Tartus, it is completely under our control! And then there are the S-200, Buki, Pantsiri and other air defense systems, the use of which under the Damascus court!
The S-300 systems, which our "handed over" to the Syrians in response to our plane shot down by the Syrians, were not transferred under their full control, there the decision to launch the missile is taken by our specialists and our specialists will give the go-ahead to open fire with the S-300 Syrian air defense system , only in the case of a "threat" to our military.
S-300, under our control, we are not at war with Israel, it’s another matter that Israel, fighting the Iranians, is pressing Syrians and our weapons in the guise.
The press can fail and get a response plop.
That's all.

[Duty]

Quote: Mr Credo

Which system will be integrated into our system? Our back in the 17th year announced a centralized air defense control system in Syria. This was announced in the media. If not mistaken, then in August.

These comrades from the Russian Ministry of Defense will integrate this system forever while they are there. With the same success, they liberated Syria from ISIS several times, then they also successfully withdrawn their troops several times. And still there.

[kapitan281271]

Quote from AUL

For some reason, it seems to me that it is not the Syrians who are not ready to use C-300, but in Moscow.

It is possible to squeeze Iran out of Syria here coincides with the interest of Israel and Russia, it seems to us that it’s not the comme il faut of the allies who can agree on something with Israel, but the reputational (it seems correctly wrote) losses will be great if Armor clicks like that.

[Mr Credo]

Well, Iran will leave Syria. Who will fight there then? Russians? Human reserves in Syria are limited and the population there and everywhere does not breed like rabbits. Let's say people grew up over 18 years. And what about education and logic? Future abilities are laid up to five years, and this time they are hidden in the basement from shelling. There is no development. Such people can only be trusted with slingshots.

[NordUral]

That's right, Alexander!

[alex-defensor]

Quote from AUL

For some reason, it seems to me that it is not the Syrians who are not ready to use C-300, but in Moscow.

I think so too!

Indeed, while in relations with Israel we have a one-goal game, that is, we are, as it were, standing on the gates, and we are constantly getting a penalty kick. From a military point of view, this is not an advantageous position, but why aren’t we shooting down Israeli planes in response?

The fact is that in this region of the world for a long time everyone has been shooting at everyone. Why is Russia also there if we just as stupidly participate in the war and shoot someone?

The United States anywhere in the world, abusively and putting on international law, iron and kill all those who are objectionable.

If we do the same, then what are we better than the US?

The world just doesn’t need Russia as the United States either, for the United States is doing better with this role anyway!

Russia in Syria (and not only) shows a different approach to the world. We are PEACEKEEPERS! This role implies readiness for self-sacrifice and patience (not infinite, of course), but it is MIRIVATOR who is so lacking in humanity now, and there is no one to play this role besides Russia.

In addition, in Israel, too, not all are one. There are political forces that want radical change. Russia is interested in these forces. And if we begin to shoot down Israeli planes, we will weaken these forces and strengthen the hawks, and the latter are always US allies.

[ruigat]

Russia in Syria (and not only) shows a different approach to the world. We are PEACEKEEPERS! This role implies readiness for self-sacrifice and patience (not infinite, of course), but it is MIRIVATOR who is so lacking in humanity now, and there is no one to play this role besides Russia.

Even reading is disgusting. Recall what the USSR led the position of the cat Leopold?

[Pimply]

Quote: alex-defensor

Russia in Syria (and not only) shows a different approach to the world. We are PEACEKEEPERS! This role implies readiness for self-sacrifice and patience (not infinite, of course), but it is MIRIVATOR who is so lacking in humanity now, and there is no one to play this role besides Russia.

Gd, what a kindergarten.

[Confuciy]

Because after their application we will see footage from a rocket that hits the S-300. Or crush electronic warfare, or the number of missiles, or all together

[Gardamir]

And when will they be ready?

Never.

[Shahno]

When they are ready, there may already be nothing

[Arberes]

Quote: Shahno

When they are ready, there may already be nothing

I'm afraid you're right, dear Shahno

[jovanni]

Quote: passerby

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

Until the pioneers are accepted ...

[tlauicol]

Quote: passerby

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

Shoigu reported: three months later. So under NG were ready. And now again, not ready In general, air defense officers have been studying for years, and these "PC courses" are just noodles for people

[tlauicol]

is it me cons or Shoigu for a lie?

[Shahno]

Well, it's true. A professional training of a sufficiently high level at the operator level for two years. If we are not talking about a tick for Uch. firing.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Tlauicol

In general, air defense officers have been studying for years, and these "PC courses" are just noodles for people
Reply

Even the calculations of air defense of the armed forces which are armed with such means as Tor-MU, MANPADS of various modifications, Osa, Strela-10, Tunguska are prepared at the training center from four months to six months and only then are allowed to practice firing at the firing range, what can we say about the military Air defense there equipment and operational-tactical tasks are many times more complicated. By the way, this is indicated by the head of the military air defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Alexander LEONOV,

An analysis of the use of air attacks in armed conflicts, including in the Syrian Arab Republic, showed that the enemy never repeats his actions and always chooses weak spots in the created air defense system of the opposing side.
Based on the experience gained in the course of armed conflict, a thorough analysis was carried out and changes were made to the main governing documents that regulate tactics and combat use of military air defense units.
Units and units prescribed conduct combat operations and anti-aircraft battles in a non-standard, skillful and creative manner, namely, to mislead the enemy by equipping false positions; timely change the starting position after repulsing air strikes; promotion to new areas is carried out mainly at night and on different routes. In addition, it is necessary to better solve the problems of engineering equipment and camouflage starting positions. Pay particular attention to the establishment of nomadic units and ambush operations.

It is clear that you cannot learn to fight in three months, especially since the Arabs have always had problems with the organization of interaction, information support and combat coordination of calculations and units since Soviet times, for which the enemy constantly "punishes" them

[Elephant]

Quote: Ascetic

in the training center from four months to six months

I myself was once in the training center for 6 months. on the operator "Strela". The level of training is below the floor! They went as a combatant, went to the outfits, were engaged in the arrangement of the territory, worked for the political officer at the dacha, etc. And only at the end of the training they conducted 1200 training launches on the simulator. Computer games are more difficult! In fact, if you train exclusively for the intended purpose - for the operator, then the period is max. 1 month! In Syria, the main thing is different - more time may be needed only in one case - it is to weed out the crooked, fools and recruits so that they would not suddenly ditch their own and international planes. including Russian videoconferencing !!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: tomket

Quote: bystander

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

Under Putin, never.

And with what kind of Grudinin everything will spin immediately?

[ruigat]

And with what kind of Grudinin everything will spin immediately?

At least there is a chance, unlike the eternal chewing of snot by the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.

[tomket]

Quote: Piramidon

And with what kind of Grudinin everything will spin immediately?

I have not heard that Grudinin would be friends with Beney Netanyahu.

[Warrior Hamilton]

When choosing: "Horseradish or Radish?" ........ Most likely - Horseradish ...........

[Bellerophon]

Offers. When will you be ready?

[NEXUS]

Quote: passerby

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

When there will be enough air defense systems and when the Syrian calculations will learn to intercept everything that flies from the other side. At the same time, air defense is not only air defense systems of different ranges, but also fighters, interceptors, and AWACS aircraft, which the Syrians do not have. If you use Russian fighters and interceptors, this will mean essentially declaring war on the Russian Federation to Israel and our bases in Syria will be under attack.
In fact, these Israeli strikes should be viewed as a provocation. At the same time, the Jews are developing methods of dealing with our air defense systems, which is not good. The Syrians need "long arm" air defense systems to be able to shoot down carriers, not missiles. The shells are too short-handed for that.

[slavinsk]

On the other hand, they also can’t intercept everything that flies on them, so they often do raids to defeat where they flew from.

[kord1215]

C-300 were not silent - they expressed deep concern.

[Russia]

"Earlier in Israel there was actually an unspoken rule - do not comment on strikes."

Well, they "flooded", so we observe their dances with tambourines. How long.

[bessmertniy]

It's just that this Netanyahu has gone too far - that’s what he comments on. He is trying to show what a conqueror and suppressor of Iran and Arabs he is. Only such revelations to Israel can come sideways. The question is who will teach him a lesson.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: bessmertniy

It's just that this Netanyahu has gone too far - that’s what he comments on. He is trying to show what a conqueror and suppressor of Iran and Arabs he is. Only such revelations to Israel can come sideways. The question is who will teach him a lesson.

They wait until they open, and then they’ll give kaak in the face ummmm ... well, at that ...

[Ascetic]

Quote: Rusland

Well, they "flooded", so we watch their dances with tambourines

American Jews were less and less concerned with Israel, they were silent silently during the time of Nazism, while they destroyed their half-brothers, the gesheft is always above principles and conscience, and now, when they let Iran to its borders (miscalculated with the overthrow of Assad, here on the website of the Professor and others In 2012, Karishi sang mantras in each comment that Assad had no more than a month left ... so they finished off at me, and I warned you ) All this struggle, the struggle against the Iranian presence on the part of the sons of David is reminiscent of mouse fuss and hunting with slippers for cockroaches. And now there is nothing left but to hang noodles for their own voters for the sake of maintaining power, given the corruption scandals, the most optimal option, so Netanyahu is so talkative and decisive

[Pimply]

Quote: Ascetic

American Jews had less time to do business with Israel, they were silently silent during the Nazi era, until their half brothers were destroyed.

Actually, no, they were not silent. On the US side, 550 thousands of Jews took part in the war, 13% of the country's Jewish population at the start of the war.

[Tank jacket]

And why didn’t they open the second front for so long? And they discovered when they were afraid that Stalin would get ahead?

[Fungus]

Even if you train the Syrians to work on the S-300. All the same, they do it. Remember the carapace was knocked out when the tea ran to drink.

[Metallurg_2]

C'mon there tea. It seems that the catastrophic losses of the Arab countries in the Six Day War were due to the fact that Israel struck when collective prayer took place at Arab airfields by all personnel.
It seems to me that in half a century nothing has changed in this regard.

[basmach]

Well, in 95 I have never seen a collective prayer, even a single one, and that didn’t even occur. They went to drink tea. And then only once or twice a day.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: basmach

I’ve never seen a collective prayer,

This stupidity, most likely since the filing of Israel for more than a dozen years. The Syrians are certainly believers, but to the best of the situation. But the training with live firing, of course, left, and now it probably leaves much to be desired.

[Glory1974]

training with live firing certainly left, and now probably leaves much to be desired.

They have had a war going on for so many years, already everyone had to shoot enough.

[Glory1974]

I didn’t see the collective prayer in 95, not even a single prayer.

And I saw. 500 man when they are praying is still a sight. And in Ichkeria, maybe they saw a mass dhikr? There, in general, the number of participants is not limited.

[Key 32]

Saw. The village is dying literally

[Krasnodar]

Not a prayer. Breakfast and shift change.

[tomket]

Quote: Metallurg_2

It seems that the catastrophic losses of the Arab countries in the Six Day War were due to the fact that Israel struck when collective prayer took place at Arab airfields by all personnel.
It seems to me that in half a century nothing has changed in this regard.

Yeah, and they got a response in 73, when Jews were sitting in synagogues, celebrating "Judgment Day." So the Jews are not that different.

[Metallurg_2]

True, the Jews quickly found themselves, and as a result the war ended, as it were, with an account in their favor.

[O. Bender]

The Kremlin is not ready to confront Israel. Well, of course, the preparation of calculations.

[Same lech]

"The target of the raid was military installations (of the Iranian unit) Al-Quds in Syria, including weapons depots, an object in the area of ​​Damascus international airport, an Iranian intelligence center, an Iranian training camp,"

What kind of object?
Why has this nameless object been hit?
Mdaa Russia in this dump is in a delicate position ... and you can’t get involved in a fight and you can’t openly support Syria ...
Jews see it and get impudent from hour to hour.
In this situation, the Iranians for some reason pulled a ground-to-ground missile at Hermon, provoking Israel to a large-scale strike ... here the porridge was brewed ... no, we better not get into this fight.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Mdaa Russia in this dump is in a delicate position ... and you can’t get involved in a fight and you can’t openly support Syria ...

And why should Russia get involved in that fight? our army in Syria has a specific task - to destroy the terrorists of the banned IS *, no more and no less. Is there a task to fit in for Syria against Israel? there is none, and we do not need it.

[Boris Ivanov]

the fight against Israel in the current situation is the last thing Damascus needs, exhausted by the war with all its other neighbors, so Tel Aviv willingly takes advantage of the situation. Does it affect Iran and does Israel get into Iran’s real training bases? Probably not. He's just bombing the poor Syrians. And given the fact that there is an agreement between Tel Aviv and Moscow on prevention and non-intervention (although in the context of last year’s situation with the deaths of our military it would have been time to cast doubt on them), the Syrians are left face to face with this problem.

Moreover, it must be understood that the level of Israeli paranoia has long crossed all borders. If Hezbollah and Iran really want to go a real war on Israel, then no F-16s, no attacks on Syria will help. To crush the weak to defend against the strong is the destiny of cowards, but not salvation at all. The latest evidence that Israel’s roof has been floating in the clouds for a long time is the Hezbollah Tunnel, which the Israelis allegedly found on the border. Naturally, there is no news other than the "discovery" itself. As there is no crowd of "Hezbollah" who are trying to climb through the "tunnel". Just an invented hole in the ground to justify the killings of the Syrians and yapping at Iran.

In general, the situation with the repeated and constant shelling of the Syrians, like nothing else, clearly and clearly characterizes Israel. It is not for us to judge him, but the "reward", I hope, will surely find his "hero".

[ANCIENT]

Nonsense! !! As long as the Kremlin has the best friends for the Israeli military, and, shoot down our planes Jews, and bomb the Syrian army with impunity. Even if we send the C 700 "Zhirinovsky plus" there, the result will be exactly the way we see it now!

[Metallurg_2]

In 1967, the Six Day War quickly ended when Brezhnev phoned Ford White House and threatened to take strategic aircraft into the air.
And our Darkest only in gums with the main Jew is pounding. Here are the results.

[Corn]

Quote: Metallurg_2

In 1967, the Six Day War quickly ended when Brezhnev called Ford at the White House and threatened to raise him in the air.

You would have to tighten the knowledge of history. Soar utter nonsense, probably also believe in it.

[Aviator_]

In the 1967 year, Lyndon Johnson presided over the Americans (the years of the life of 1908 - 1973)

[Metallurg_2]

I agree, I mixed up with the names.

[Shahno]

You offer Trump to call, it’s interesting to watch this movie. By the way, they forgot about the recent agreement between the Russian Federation and the states on the issue of Israeli security, already at the highest level.

[donavi49]

Then there was another situation:
- the eastern bloc (all Chekhov, Poles and others) was called up and shook up. They all broke off relations with Israel and began military training.
- The defeat of the Arabs was catastrophic. So incredible that even the United States was unhappy.
- the threats were real and reinforced by actions, the USSR did not threaten with bombers, but to enter the war.

Now:
- there is nothing left of the eastern block, Old Man is already ready to jump on all the chairs. If they pay well + they’ll forgive me for everything, I won’t be surprised that he will turn on 180 and start drowning for NATO and the EU.
- A catastrophic defeat of the Arabs from which even the United States will be unhappy, not yet. On the contrary, the US supports current activity and advocates for its strengthening.
- there is nothing to reinforce threats in fact, only Nyuk.

[Moskovit]

Better to let them learn than to dishonor the whole world after the Tsakhalov videos about the destruction of shells. Let the blow be tough and instructive. Then Israel will think it over.

[ASX]

Correctly. Let them learn, wait and strike during Israel's use of the F-35. Rehabilitated in full and discredited one of the best weapons of a potential enemy. With photo control and video of dying debris.

[kebeskin]

Yes, the point is not in the C300, but in the will to use them. You never know whose assets abroad can be affected.

[Bellerophon]

You would have to cope with your LIABILITIES - laziness, fears, stereotypes. And you worry about other people's assets. ASSETS - THIS IS ANOTHERLY ANOTHER WORLD - there are other rules, you DO NOT UNDERSTAND,))))

[igorbrsv]

Quote: passerby

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

When Syria regains control of its territory.

[high]

The Prime Minister of Israel did everything right, the non-recognition of attacks on Iranian bases, the Iranian authorities needed it, Iran licked material and human losses, but hid the construction of military bases in Syria from the impoverished population.
After the statement of the Israeli prime minister, the Iranian authorities were worried and do not know what to do?
Iran can’t fight with Israel, the forces are already too unequal, after the defeat - the power of Iran’s religious fanatics will be swept away by the population, to remain silent, too .......

[Graz]

defeat? Are you sure that Israel will be able to carry out a ground operation in Iran and occupy the country? Yes, you’re a science fiction, however, how many Jews will go there, not one will return alive

[Bellerophon]

The Israeli military doctrine considers it IMPOSSIBLE to wage a war such as Lebanon MORE THAN A MONTH, Further - SYSTEMIC ECONOMIC CRISIS. All hopes for the USA, What war with IRAN? Israel needs to prepare for a long-standing confrontation with Iran - one on one.

[Bellerophon]

IRAN today is a WINNER. In SYRIA he achieved a decisive turning point and controls the regions of the country that are important to him. Israeli provocations - mosquito bites for IRAN, Israel allow destruction of the BUTAPHORIA - no more than 5% of the military arsenal supplied by HEZBOLLE. Iran is not going to start a war with Israel yet - it has other goals and objectives today.

[rotmistr60]

Netanyahu violated this unspoken principle

Indeed it bears as a boastful schoolboy. So I want to show that he did not care at all, that violates the established unwritten agreements in his own country.

[Krasnodar]

He has 4 open criminal cases, so he is looking for cheap popularity.

[georggy]

According to the estimates of our military experts, in order to create an air defense system of equal strength with a certain density in Syria, it is necessary to have another 5-6 regiments of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems, create an echelon of the Pantsir low-altitude anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems, and also strengthen fighter aircraft cover, radio intelligence, which requires satellite information. Only then will it be possible to conduct classic military operations in air defense and covering the country as a whole. In the meantime, based on the availability of those means of cover that are available there.
Syria, in accordance with all international laws, has the right to shoot down planes from which missiles and guided bombs fly to its territory. But she does not do this, including because the Syrian military understands that reconnaissance is in progress.
Israel, striking from Lebanon, especially not with missiles, but with planning bombs, forces the Syrians to connect the S-300 systems to work in order to clarify their technical characteristics and capabilities. The Syrians do not shoot three hundredth on these planning bombs. For this, they use other means of air defense, in particular, “Armor”, - experts say the situation.

[Glory1974]

In order for Syria to technically create an air defense system of equal strength with a certain density, it is necessary to have 5-6 regiments of anti-aircraft missile systems C-300, to create an echelon of low-altitude anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems "Shell", as well as to strengthen fighter-air cover, radio reconnaissance, which requires satellite information.

That you painted the country's air defense. And there is also military air defense, which provides cover for specific objects. So in Syria does not work object defense. According to the video that was presented, it is clear that missiles with air defense systems will start but do not hit the target.

[Corn]

There is nothing to talk about Syria, is Russia itself at least somewhere other than Moscow, an area with such an air defense?

[mag nit]

They do not use it because they are afraid of losing. Two "Carapaces" have already fired.

[Corn]

Already at least 3 of only those that got on the video, but how many of them all ...

[ruigat]

Already at least 3 of only those that got on the video, but how many of them all ...

Yes, it doesn’t matter 3,7,25 and so on. The game goes in one goal. Zionists (fascists) attack, air defense of the SAR is trying to bring down ammunition, and it is necessary to destroy airfields and command centers, or at least carriers. One UBC at the Zionist (fascist) airdrome will instantly blow away the bespantny chuptsu and make you whine about the Holocaust, but the cowardly and miserable policy of oligarch R preserves the current situation.

[Corn]

Quote: ruigat

it is necessary to destroy airfields and command centers, or at least carriers

but how do you not understand that there is no such possibility ?! Syria will not pull the war with Israel, and Russia will not pull. And no one needs this war, Israel has nothing against Syria and Assad and is ready to negotiate, countries lived in peace for 30 years until Iran came.

Quote: ruigat

One ZBC on Zionist

It’s not even funny anymore, it’s more like an obsessive obsession. Are you ready to risk the life and well-being of yourself and your family for the sake of .... for what? For the Islamists of Iran in Syria? Since when did the Islamists in general become our allies?

[ruigat]

but how do you not understand that there is no such possibility ?! Syria will not pull the war with Israel, and Russia will not pull.

The largest country in the world will not pull the war with a wretched point on the map?

Israel has nothing against Syria and Assad and is ready to agree, the countries lived in peace for 30 years until Iran came.

Which world? The Zionists (fascists) in VO almost unanimously say that they never had an end to the war with the ATS.
Before Iran, the bearded children of the owners of the Fed and the Zionists (fascists) came to the SAR. The IRGC came to the SAR to knock them out.

It’s not even funny anymore, it’s more like an obsessive obsession. Are you ready to risk the life and well-being of yourself and your family for the sake of .... for what?

For the sake of the fact that on the remnants of Russia they did not wipe their feet. And the allies knew that Russia's support is a stronger thing than titanium alloy, and not wagging with the fifth point from right to left.

[Corn]

Quote: ruigat

The largest country in the world will not pull the war with a wretched point on the map?

Have you ever heard about "unacceptable damage"?
This is just the case.

almost unanimously they say that with them, the war never ended

something like Russia and Japan, there’s nothing wrong with that until a third party intervenes (Iran)

For the sake of the fact that on the remnants of Russia they did not wipe their feet.

Firstly, no one wipes his feet about Russia.
Secondly, a momentary satisfaction of pride is not worth the blood of innocent and innocent people who, if something happens, will suffer in the first place, and not brave warriors who beat themselves with their heels in the chest for courage.
Thirdly, the country is strong not with nuclear missiles, but primarily with the economy and well-being of the population, and be honest, this is all bad for both Russia and Iran.
Fourth, there was nothing to call an ally of the uninhabited dictator, who ditched his country and became a disgrace to the whole world, then there would have been no problem.

[ruigat]

Have you ever heard about "unacceptable damage"?

Burn Israel from north to south? Yes, like 2 fingers on the asphalt.

something like Russia and Japan, there’s nothing wrong with that until a third party intervenes (Iran)

What is the third party? Iran in the SAR smelled symbolically, until the bearded children of the owners of the Fed and Israel began to wield it. That is, the actions of Israel led Iran to the SAR.

Firstly, no one wipes his feet about Russia.
Secondly, the momentary pride of pride is not worth the blood of innocent and innocent people, and it is they who, in which case, will suffer in the first place, and not the brave warriors who beat themselves with their heels in the chest for courage.
Thirdly, the country is strong first of all with the economy and well-being of the population, and be honest, this is all bad for both Russia and Iran.
Fourth, there was nothing to call an ally of the uninhabited dictator who ditched his country and became a disgrace to the whole world, then there would be no problem.

Well, this is generally some kind of vinaigrette, from meaningless information, especially the last point.

[Krasnodar]

You and your family would move somewhere closer to Israel (in Adler or Tuapse), and then you would talk about WMD attacks on a country with nuclear weapons ...

[ruigat]

You and your family would have moved somewhere to Adler or Tuapse, and then you would have talked about WMD attacks on a country possessing nuclear weapons ...

Well, has a point on the map of nuclear weapons and then what? War is dangerous, but destroying Israel is 10 times easier than Russia.

[Krasnodar]

What's next? People will die, your fellow citizens, mostly peaceful. Normal men try to protect their wives, children, parents, etc. from all conceivable and inconceivable threats, and here - it’s necessary ... a fighter with the oligarchy (who, by the way, for the most part squats blows in reliable, and with luxury conditions, places), calls for genocide, spitting on the losses of his own peace . And all for the sake of satisfying incomprehensible, painful ambitions ... You are already over 40, Ale! What are the Zionists (Kemalist Sandinists), what is the US Federal Reserve, what are you whispering about ???

[ruigat]

What's next? People will die, your fellow citizens, mostly peaceful.

Oh oh, our 1/10 oligarch spoke for humanism. And the millions of Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Russians, that have already been destroyed by the owners of the Fed and the Zionists (fascists) to you on the drum. But you just have to talk about the need to call between the ears, the Zionists (fascists), who are insolent from the unpunished chups, to bring them to their senses as soon as the howl begins. And the casket just opens. And you and your Fed owners are VERY AFRAID of losing your PARADISE (for the Fed owners) and your prosperous life (for you personally and other Zionists (fascists)), so you just have to play the UBC at your throat and you will immediately be blown away. Once an enemy of the Russian people, Churchill said a clever thing: A country that has chosen the latter between war and shame receives both war and shame.

[Krasnodar]

That is, you are ready to lay down the lives of your fellow citizens, mainly a peaceful people, in order to give the Zionist (Trotsky-Maoist) thief living between your ears at times better, in order to destroy his well-to-do life while embracing the US Federal Reserve ?
The joke is different - Russian homegrown oligarchs will suffer in the event of a cataclysm of this kind to the smallest degree (if they suffer at all) and will sit on the distribution flows of food, humanitarian aid, medicines and other things to the population, or you decided that your life will improve significantly after the destruction of Israel and parts of the south of Russia? I'm afraid that with the scenario you desire, you will find yourself even more dependent and powerless. But you will rejoice at the extermination of Jews and residents of the Krasnodar / Stavropol Territory .. Some kind of insanity.:.

[ruigat]

That is, you are ready to lay down the lives of your fellow citizens, mainly a peaceful people, in order to give the Zionist (Trotsky-Maoist) thief living between your ears at times better, in order to destroy his well-to-do life while embracing the US Federal Reserve

I'm ready. Therefore, you are afraid of people like me 1/10 of the oligarch you are ours. An example of the DPRK shows. The owners of the Fed talk to her by orders of magnitude more respectfully than with the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.

The joke is different - Russian homegrown oligarchs will suffer in the event of a cataclysm of this kind to the smallest degree (if they suffer at all) and will sit on the distribution flows of food, humanitarian aid, medicines and other things to the population, or you decided that your life will improve significantly after the destruction of Israel and parts of the south of Russia?

The joke is that the scenario I indicated (an attack by the UBC on Israel) is possible ONLY in the event that the power of your partners from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is destroyed and they sit and you will not be on distribution flows, but on stakes or in eastern and northern camps, where you will be shocked make amends to the common people of Russia.
Well, about Israel’s destruction of part of Russia, it’s a non-Panthean Zionist (fascist) hoop, because a bear cannot be killed with a slipper, and a stinky bug can be done with one blow.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

ruigat (Yuri) Have you seen enough hren.tvru?
1. "Zionist (Trotskyist-Maoist) enemy" ... Zionism contradicts Trotskyism and Maoism (by the way, this is not the same thing either!), These words are antagonists in meaning, because they have serious differences.
Of course, the concepts are close to each other: Marxism-Leninism-Trotskyism-Stalinism ....
- Where did you get this nonsense?
2. An example of the DPRK ... I lived in the DPRK ...
“Have you lived in the DPRK?”
3. Israel has a strong army ranked among the best armies in the world. On a theater of war, Israel has a disproportionate military and technical advantage over any enemy ...
“Have you served in the Armed Forces yourself?” Maybe you should go to Syria to fight?

[Krasnodar]

1. This I am kidding with his Zionists (fascists), so I have Zionists and Sandinists and Kemalists and Maoists
3. I do not think that people who served in the army will speak out in a similar vein

[sniperino]

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm kidding with his Zionists (fascists),

No one will forbid kidding, but this is not his. Evseev E.S. Fascism under the blue star: The truth about the lie. Zionism: its ideology, practice, system of organizations of large Heb. the bourgeoisie. - M., Mol. Guard, 1971. - 159 p.

[Krasnodar]

Thank you I hope there are libraries, I read

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: sniperino

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm kidding with his Zionists (fascists),

No one will forbid kidding, but this is not his. Evseev E.S. Fascism under the blue star: The truth about the lie. Zionism: its ideology, practice, system of organizations of large Heb. the bourgeoisie. - M., Mol. Guard, 1971. - 159 p.

Well, you were stuck in 1971. On YouTube there is also one lieutenant colonel of the reserve, he wrote books about Zionism, he was an agitator against Zionism, so to speak ... Only now he lives in the USA, however, he writes a patriot and crap anti-Soviet and anti-Russian ....
The task of the Evseevs (by the way, Evsei is a Hebrew name!) Was to agitate the Sov. Jews do not leave the USSR. Well, and, accordingly, support "friendly" Arab regimes.

[sniperino]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Well, you were stuck in 1971

You yourself are nowhere, hopefully not stuck? Leaked where necessary?

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Yes, I leaked: fire passed through water and copper pipes.
All with their labor and zeal, skills and abilities
Dad is a locksmith at the Diesel Locomotive Repair Plant, the mother of a seamstress at the sewing factory. Have you not leaked? Or did you manage?

[sniperino]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Have you not leaked?

Do not be offended. This is just an answer to your "stuck", which was not used by you on business, since it was not about the latest technical developments, but about the source of the statement Zionism = Fascism. In addition, in the USSR in 1971, the authors avoided explicit falsifications even in the field of social and political sciences much more thoroughly than today. The commitment of modern Israeli fascists to Zionism and their hatred of the Jewish ultra-Orthodox Hasidim are well known. It is also known that in 1933-1939 the Nazis of Germany, interested in the movement of Jews to Palestine, found a common language with the Zionists, and Goebbels even issued a commemorative medal about their friendship (if it can be called "friendship")

It cannot be said that the Soviet propagandists had no reason at all to assert that Zionism is fascism.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

1) The Zionists advocated the speedy resettlement of Jews in the land of Palestine, in which Germany was also interested. On August 27, 1933, the Third Reich Ministry of Economics and the Zionist representatives of Germany and Palestine concluded the Hawara agreement (from Hebrew, “transfer”), under which Jewish emigrants were allowed a direct transfer of their property.
2) This "friendship" was characteristic not only of Zionists and Nazis.
In a series of German-Anglo-Saxon, German-Scandinavian, German-Soviet, German-South American, German-Polish, German-Czechoslovak, etc. countless "friendships" there was this "friendship."
3) From the mid-20s of the USSR and Germany, and then in 1933-1941, the communists of the USSR and the anti-communists - Nazis of Germany, interested in each other, found a common language in the political, economic and military areas of cooperation.
It cannot be fully asserted that the anti-Soviet propagandists had absolutely no reason to claim that ...
4) A medal was also issued in honor of the Munich agreement.
5) Do you think that there have been and will be decent people in politics (power, big business, media)? Where do they come from if these systems themselves are rotten?
PS Although, theoretically, there are some Denmark with decent politicians ... but there the population is different ...
Again, Asia and Africa come in there too ....

[ruigat]

1. "Zionist (Trotskyist-Maoist) enemy" ... Zionism contradicts Trotskyism and Maoism (by the way, this is not the same thing either!), These words are antagonists in meaning, because they have serious differences.

You are now commenting on the nonsense of Krasnodar, which has nothing to do with me.

2. An example of the DPRK ... I lived in the DPRK ...
“Have you lived in the DPRK?”

On the drum to life in the DPRK. I talked about the attitude of the Fed owners to the DPRK (negotiations, compromises) and to the Russian Federation (wiping their feet).

3. Israel has a strong army ranked among the best armies in the world. On a theater of war, Israel has a disproportionate military and technical advantage over any enemy ...
“Have you served in the Armed Forces yourself?” Maybe you should go to Syria to fight?

The ratings of these Zionists (fascists) themselves are. If there is no way to fight the IDF, then we must leave the SAR, but not take a miserable two-faced position. And then someone is surprised that there are no allies. I served. Or maybe you drown in the Dead Sea?

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

1.and 2. leave without comment. Since I misunderstood. 3. Did I understand correctly that according to these ratings, the RF Armed Forces take the second place also in the Jewish conspiracy? 4. Positions in Syria are double-faced there: Russia restrains Iran by the hands of Israel. 5. In the Dead Sea it is impossible to drown, except that suffocate. I live in the Middle Urals: mountains, forests, lakes, rivers. I won’t drown anyway))

[ruigat]

Did I understand correctly that according to these ratings, the RF Armed Forces take the second place also in the Jewish conspiracy?

Of course. 1-PLA, 2- army of the secondary school, 3- army of the Russian Federation.

Everyone’s positions in Syria are two-faced:

What is the duplicity of Iran’s position?

I won’t drown anyway))

Very sorry.

[Krasnodar]

... once again I repeat that in any situation, coupled with the introduction of a state of emergency, you will be even more dependent and powerless.

[sniperino]

Quote: ruigat

in the end to the Zionists (fascists) insolent from the unpunished goofs

Khuptsa - what is this? Nalgost?

[ruigat]

Khuptsa - what is this? Nalgost?

Yes, the unit of measure of Zionist (fascist) arrogance.

[sniperino]

Quote: ruigat

impudence

If it is nullity, then it is huPsA, and if it is huPTSa, then rather it is liGost.

[Ashkelon79]

Bravo!
It is a pity that there are few of those who understand the situation like you :(

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: mag nit

They do not use it because they are afraid of losing. Two "Carapaces" have already fired.

According to some reports, from 4 to 6 units are already written off in loss ...

[brigadier]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

Quote: mag nit

They do not use it because they are afraid of losing. Two "Carapaces" have already fired.

According to some reports, from 4 to 6 units are already written off in loss ...

Yesterday the news said that 6.

[Gray brother]

Quote: brigadir

Yesterday the news said that 6.

There are six angles in a hexagon - then everything is right!

[brigadier]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: brigadir

Yesterday the news said that 6.

There are six angles in a hexagon - then everything is right!

Is this such a joke of humor? Okay.

[Bellerophon]

According to "some sources" - Hitler is still holding Berlin and is waiting for your help.))))))))))))))))))))

[Antidote]

Quote: igorbrsv

Quote: passerby

Not ready again? And when will they be ready?

When Syria regains control of its territory.

The fuss with the Kurds will be more than one year, obviously with the Turks they will agree no faster.

[Babermetis]

Well, you can say "not ready".
Which is very proud of the Russian Federation. No matter how, the Russian armed forces were not in danger, Israel does not encroach on the sovereignty of the Russian Federation.
Are Russian interests in Syria affected? Yes. But Israel is not ready to stand idle in the buildup of Iranian military grouping. If Russia had a real desire and interests in Syria, they would have asked Iran to withdraw its troops and military units controlled by Syria - from Syria, to look for another bridgehead.

[Bellerophon]

WOULD YOU ASK ??? Whom? THE WINNER? It's like Stalin in 45 "to ask to" quietly leave "Berlin. Iran is the WINNER IN SYRIA. And he DICTES the conditions, not him. What can Israel, as a losing side, oppose Iran in Syria? ONLY PROVOCATIONS, ONLY A DEMONSTRATION OF RELATIVE MILITARY-TECHNICAL EXCELLENCE. And what does that give Israel? Destruction of 5% of Iranian "property" supplied to Hezbollah. AND A LOT of PR.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

If Iran is the winner in Syria, then what role is Russia assigned to after the hostilities are over? Honorary Observer? Does Putin know that Iran will get the cream? I think you are somewhat mistaken ...

[Bellerophon]

Russia achieved its main military goals in SYRIA. Now you need to effectively implement the POLITICAL goals. Now its task is the restoration of the country, ensuring its integrity and unity. Next, step by step, it is necessary to limit the influence of IRAN in Syria. Syria must be a secular country.

[Vladimir_65]

Thank you dear! We are just happy with the prospect of rebuilding Syria as well. Just for a WHOLE 133 rubles the cost of living was raised, we just don't know where to spend it: to "drive" to the Bahamas on the weekend or to buy a yacht (why are we worse than any Abramovich and other "effective" ones)? So you prompted, bow down to you.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

And I think. which is still far from complete in any way ... Yes, and with the Iranian competition in Syria, Russia still has to face ... and the Turkish brothers ....

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

"So I look at you and think: well, you are all fools!" (A. Raikin).
Any commentator thinks so here.
Means fools:
1). Israel, its government, IDF;
2). Syria, its government, CAA;
3). RF, its government, MORF;
4). Other participants in the conflict (Turkey, Iran, Hezbollah, ISIS, Kurds, etc.)
5) Commentators (except for yourself, beloved, smart, unique)
Well, I'm the same (beloved, smart, unique).
Therefore, as an equal with equals:
1) All players (and there are dozens or hundreds of them in this conflict) have their own interests, goals, objectives;
That's why
2) No state in this thinks, does not act like another.
3) No state has 100% allies.
4) In one area, interests, goals, objectives coincide, in others not.
5) Israel is its task to exist. Assad's task is to sit still and not repeat the fate of Gaddafi and Hussein. The task of the Russian Federation is to prevent the construction of the gas pipeline, to gain a foothold in the Bol'shoe East region militarily, politically and economically. The task of Iran is similar to the Russian one, plus to threaten Israel and the "monarchies" The task of Turkey is similar to the Russian and partly Iranian tasks, plus to solve the Kurdish problem. The task of the monarchies ... The task of the United States and the coalition ... The task of China ... etc. etc.
6) Since 1982, Syria has not had conflicts with Israel. If it were not for the Iranian threat, the Hebollah threat, then Israel would not have reacted to the internal Syrian conflict.
7) Assad’s army in 2010 was 320 thousand people, and now, about 60 thousand with all formations, about 20-25 thousand people are combat-ready. Syria could never confront Israel, and now even more so. Syria has been defeated three times in wars with Israel, and as a part of coalitions of 6-26 states, it has completely lost the Air Force and Air Defense three times.
8) SAR air defense is not able to withstand the Israeli air force and other air-ground weapons.
According to some estimates, the Israeli Air Force 4 is the 4th in the world, but in any case, with any analysis, it is included in 10, and their pilots are one of the best.
9) I believe that the use of S-300 will lead to the loss of a certain number of AOI air force aircraft, but retaliatory measures will lead to the complete (next) destruction of the air defense system.
10) Reasonable use of the Air Force presupposes not the heroic "alexandromatrosovschina", but the fulfillment of combat missions while maintaining the crews and military equipment, the maximum efficiency of the use of forces and means of attack and defense.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Assad's army in the 2010 year was 320 thousand people, and now, about 60 thousand with all formations, combat-ready about 20-25 thousand people. Syria could never confront Israel, and now even more so. Syria has been defeated three times in the wars with Israel, and as part of the coalitions of 6-26 states, it has completely lost the Air Force and Air Defense three times.

A very true thesis, Assad’s army, including the Air Force and Air Defense, has been on the verge of survival in recent years, and even with our help their level is quite low.

[Back]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Reasonable use of the Air Force presupposes not the heroic "alexandromatrosovschina", but the fulfillment of combat missions while retaining the crews and military equipment, the maximum efficiency of the use of forces and means of attack and defense.

Well, why are you so. So they took and landed all the combat sofas. Not to mention couches, benches, stools, rugs and rugs. You completely kill the very widespread thesis of VO "the Hebrews are not." And if this thesis is incorrect, another one will creep up involuntarily. You are going a dangerous road dear.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

20 years of service, of which 16 in the USSRF. Sorry, I even wanted to give them my two helmets, and then I thought that our next plane would be shot down by a Russian helmet ... and hid away from sin))

[businessv]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Reasonable use of the Air Force presupposes not the heroic "alexandromatrosovschina", but the fulfillment of combat missions while retaining the crews and military equipment, the maximum efficiency of the use of forces and means of attack and defense.

Comrade Lieutenant Colonel, thank you for the comprehensive coverage of the current state of things! Specifically, in a military way, just like a flight of a wooden arrow (not MANPADS)! As in political studies! Unfortunately, nothing new, but seriously, in my opinion you have simplified us a little! All who follow the events in the world through VO and leave comments here are wonderful people (with few exceptions) who are not indifferent to what is happening with their country, otherwise you are mostly right, leave comments more often!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Thank you, I am a patriot of the USSRF, but not fermented. I do not identify the Country and State, Power and People.
If anyone does not want to see disorganization, lack of professionalism and irresponsibility
those who organized the air defense, air defense, interaction on the theater of war, even though he does not see. However, the price of mistakes is the loss of people and technology, prestige and influence.
It is advisable to see the root. To delve deeper into the problem, specific data is needed. And they are not, because all parties lie.
The general thing I can say ... Carpenters sewed trousers - Here you go and trousers Elephants sang a song - Here you go and sounds Lily pour water into the sieve - Well, for all of you It’s better to do what you do
The Prime Minister is a history teacher, the Minister of Defense is a builder, the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS is a land general ... and so on everywhere: friends, comrades, brothers, sisters, children, lovers (ts) ... well, how can you not cheer on a little person?
They would tell me that I should command a submarine, I would refuse. Alas, not trained, I can not.
So the Soviet Union collapsed when loyalists and drummers who personally knew nothing came to power!

[businessv]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

So the Soviet Union collapsed when loyalists and drummers who personally knew nothing came to power!

And again you are right! Bravo and thanks again!

[Pimply]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

6) Since 1982, Syria has not had conflicts with Israel. If it were not for the Iranian threat, the Hebollah threat, then Israel would not have reacted to the internal Syrian conflict.

Here you are mistaken. The conflict continued, sometimes even quite actively.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

The conflict resumed with the beginning of the Civil War in Syria and the emergence of Iran and Hezbollah there.
Since 1982, there was a MORE-LESS truce.

[Pimply]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

The conflict resumed with the beginning of the Civil War in Syria and the emergence of Iran and Hezbollah there.
Since 1982, there was a MORE-LESS truce.

You do not know the history of this conflict. In particular, there were a number of clashes in 80, Syria’s support for Lebanese militants (training, arms supplies, material support, etc.). In 2006, Hezbollah’s active support. In 2008, the destruction of the Syrian nuclear reactor.

[Key 32]

Well, the Syrians will overwhelm one or two or three attacking fighters, then what? Do the "VO strategists" seriously think that Israel will immediately come to its senses and stop raiding? Israel has something to raise the stakes, up to a ground operation, and Syria? There has been a war for 7 years, a trained, equipped, motivated infantry cried out, not to mention the rest. Air defense is capable of more or less successfully repelling single raids, it will not take out intensive work. That is, in order for Syria to wage a war against Israel, the Russian Federation will have to, on an order of magnitude higher than today's scale, engage in supply and training. And most likely participation. Moreover, Israel, in the event of an unsuccessful development of the situation, will be able to get out of this mess without special costs, but Syria will not. Therefore, now this is the only scenario for the war-weakened Syria and for the Russian Federation, which does not want to get involved in a big war, too.

[Graz]

land operation? nude nude I would like to see this, I hope all the invaders from Israel will remain in the land of Syria forever

[Key 32]

Do you want to look at this solely from sports interest? What forces and means will Syria be able to devote to repel aggression?

[ruigat]

What forces and means will Syria be able to devote to repel aggression?

The army of Iran.

[Key 32]

Yeah, that's the Arabic version of "America is with us." The Persians here consider Syria exclusively as a place for fighting.

[ruigat]

The Persians here Syria is considered solely as a place for fights.

So the Persians and Zionists (fascists) will fight in the territory of the SAR, if they are lucky and the Turks will get, for the interests of Russia (not the oligarchy of the Russian Federation), solid pluses.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

You are mistaken: the invaders on the land of Syria are forever: the Golan .... unless Syria signs a peace treaty, both like Egypt and Jordan will not get back its lands under this treaty.

[dolfi1]

You write a lot of the right things, but you are wrong about the invaders. Regarding the Golan, they were bought back (for money) a long time ago, then they were stolen by Britain, which did not have the right to transfer them to the French (the League of Nations gave the mandate for the temporary management of the territories, and not for distribution), which then transferred the Golan to Syria. Syria has been in possession of the Golan for about 20 years, and all this time it has bombarded Israel. Syria attacked (along with other Arab states) Israel, and paid for it with the Golan. It would be if we now take and return everything that Germany lost during the war, or Japan, or any other country that won the war. By the way, Assad Golan will not receive any option, this is a strategic height for Israel. Egypt at one time received the Sinai back, it was a long time ago, now any Israeli Prime Minister who only tries to think about giving the Golan will fly out of the chair instantly. The Israelis no longer believe in peace with the Arabs through the surrender of territories, because the goal is not territory, but the destruction of Israel.
And in general, let them go through the forest, they have 22 states and a bunch of territories in which they fight each other like spiders in a bank, and everyone climbs to a neighbor to bite off another piece. Everyone is burning, fighting, ruining their countries. Vaughn Assad in war-torn Syria, what rebuilds in the first place? Your sculptures. And by the way, you are greatly mistaken about "poor Syria", Assad has more than a dozen billions in his bag, but he is not much in a hurry to spend them on Syria. What for? Suddenly, good uncles will throw money for recovery.
You are not at all aware of what BV is, if you had a bit of knowledge of realities, you would understand where you got into. Learn the mat. part, people. It is not easy, but possible.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Thank you for correcting.

[Forest]

It makes no sense for us to get involved in a military conflict with Israel, it is reasonable that they did not use it. But we need to crush it economically and visa.

[zlinn]

What is it like? can be more detailed?

[Forest]

Pensions of Israelis aimed at compensating for damage from attacks will prohibit the entire import of Israeli goods (primarily their chemical products, which they call vegetables) and visas for visitors. And all this is phased. And look what a howl will start worse than from a downed plane.

[zlinn]

that is, the pensions of Russians (namely, they receive pensions in Israel from Russia) should be directed to compensation for damage to Iranians in Syria? Russian-Israeli pensioners will certainly suffer quite a bit. But voting for power decided to punish their own citizens certainly will not blame

[Forest]

Do not lie, the Israelis who left Russia get it. And they will not vote for the president, who is involving Israel in conflicts.

[zlinn]

Israelis but with Russian citizenship. I didn’t understand about the president

[Forest]

See below .

[brigadier]

Quote: Forest

And look what a howl will start worse than from a downed plane.

There will be complete silence. Absolute. You can’t even imagine how much Israel and the Israelis do not care. To horror anyway.
If there are a dozen Israelis on the forum, something is peeing on topics relating to Israel. So that's basically all that is in the asset. The rest ... there is a suitable word in the Russian obscene, but it can not be used.

[Forest]

I also look as "indifferent" to other comments).
How is the weather in Haifa? )

[Pentarhist]

Quote: Forest

Pensions of Israelis to compensate for damage from attacks.

Pensions to Israelis (who have something to do with the former USSR) pays ... the Russian Federation!

[donavi49]

Tomatoes? Or keep people out of Israel? By the way, Israel still supplies military components to the Russian Federation - despite all sorts of sanctions.

[Forest]

First of all, from there.
It is not critical, they will replace, and also check the contract for the corruption component.

[zlinn]

in fact of the matter. that the forest offers once again to evil grandmother frostbite ears

[Forest]

Well, Israel’s ears freeze.
And that's what I said at once the opponents of these measures are activated, which means the correct proposal.
I will no longer answer all the answers. I see no point in a dispute with the defender of Israel, my opinion will not change and I see no reason to persuade you.

[Pimply]

Quote: Forest

Well, Israel’s ears freeze.
And that's what I said at once the opponents of these measures are activated, which means the correct proposal.
I will no longer answer all the answers. I see no point in a dispute with the defender of Israel, my opinion will not change and I see no reason to persuade you.

It is necessary to still naked and beat in a tambourine, then beat his forehead on the ground to the blood. They say it helps.

[Forest]

Oh, pimpled, otherwise I started to worry)
And he immediately revealed the secret of "Israeli medicine").

[AUL]

Quote: Forest

. But you need to crush it economically and visa.

How do you imagine it economically?

[Forest]

It is written above.

[Corn]

It was extremely stupid to count on the fact that the supply of a single complex of the air defense system would change something.

[tomket]

Quote: Corn

It was extremely stupid to count on the fact that the supply of a single complex of the air defense system would change something.

It turns out that our Minister of Defense is stupid? Once sent there one complex, which was just against the aggression of Israel, and not against everything bad in this world.

[Corn]

The Minister of Defense is just one of many artists who does what they say.
Probably (this is just my subjective opinion, which does not prejudice to the truth), the C300 was sent in order to increase the level of patriotism and faith in the party line of the domestic audience. The shot down IL20 had to be answered at least with something other than another concern .... they decided to send (not to apply!) The c300 to Syria.

[Back]

Quote: Corn

The shot down IL20 had to be answered with at least something other than another concern

So the Jews answered. Revenge the foolish Syrians for the IL killed.

[Zirkon Kinzhalovich]

Our soft-bodied ones cannot do anything. A long time ago they would have put there a large layered cake from S-400, Bukov, Torov and Shell, as well as Iskander with a special warhead. And they would beat off any attacks of Israel + would bring down their planes + would respond to any attempted attacks with the destruction of the airfield. But no, chewing snot worthless

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Zircon Kinzhalovich

Our soft-bodied ones cannot do anything. A long time ago they would have put there a large layered cake from S-400, Bukov, Torov and Shell, as well as Iskander with a special warhead. And they would beat off any attacks of Israel + would bring down their planes + would respond to any attempted attacks with the destruction of the airfield. But no, chewing snot worthless

ZIRCon dagger-President - Ministers of Defense and Ministers of Foreign Affairs!
What a character!

[Z_G_R]

I have long ceased to be interested in everything that happens in Syria. Obviously. that everything is so muddy there that it’s not a hunt to understand. Totally disappointed with our policies.

[Dikson]

As they bombed, they will continue to bomb .. Israel wanted to put on all our scarecrows and requests .. All this talk about Syria and the games in a victorious little war with ISIS .. is the same as repeating the same pomaded faces. " pop stars "on TVs for the New Year ..

[Back]

Quote: Dikson

As they bombed, they will bomb .. Israel wanted to put on all our scarecrows and requests.

Russia pledged to drive the Iranians 80 kilometers from the border of the state of Israel. But it is obvious that the Iranians put on this very request of Russia. And they got pumpkin again.

[Dikson]

according to the logic of Israel - in the near future it will start shooting down civil aircraft, sinking ships .. - simply because Iranians may supposedly be there .. What does it mean to take and shoot someone else's cargo Boeing at someone else's airport ??! It is a pity that there are professionals in the Israeli army .. - let them miss and slap on Khmeimim .. What then would Konashenkov and our President start talking.?. "Partners"..

[Back]

Quote: Dikson

according to the logic of Israel

Do you already know the logic of Israel? Why aren't you in Assad’s advisers on the Syrian fronts? The sofa won't start?

let them miss and slap on Khmeimim.

And here is your logic, it is obvious that people like you also landed.

[Dikson]

Do you still not understand what is happening in Syria? How many talks there have been that "We are not fighting in Syria", "We are not defending Syria, but simply helping Assad to fight ISIS", "We defeated ISIS!" ... We are helping Assad so much that Israel is hammering through the capital Syria in a day? Ah ... It's not our business ... Maybe it's cheaper than the funeral of our guys to take one friendly president and his family somewhere, and let Israel and Iran deal with it themselves? Obviously, this will not be correct in geopolitical terms .. Should the Iranians leave Syria? And the Turks? Americans? You see, if we allow Israel to behave in this way in relation to a country with which we have agreements of an absolutely definite military sense, then it’s worthless for Russia as an independent state .. Well, if suddenly an Iranian Boeing arrives in Krasnodar, the Israelis can also be crap missiles at our airport? There is no difference ?! Our army in Syria is serviced by Gazprom. And nothing else. And they are trying to push it through us almost like a second Afghan with his international duty ... And for our guys who died in Syria, they had to kill right away. First, blame everyone around, and then send out apologies in envelopes. And to listen to the screams of the victims, shrugging their shoulders .. - in war, as in war .. Forgive me if it turned out too long.

[Back]

Quote: Dikson

There’s no difference?

Israel and Syria are at war; Iran officially threatens the state of Israel with destruction.
Russia and Israel at war? Is Russia threatening the state of Israel with destruction?
No difference? You are:

Quote: Dikson

let them miss and slap on Khmeimim.

Whose mill are you pouring water on? Obviously not to Russian.
Does Iran Hurt? For Syria? Get the sofa forward.

[Dikson]

You know, I just want to see our country really strong. And not scattering either by its fighters or by its own words .. And so that our leadership would eventually stop playfully calling the opponents and enemies of our state "partners" ...

[Back]

Quote: Dikson

not scattered by its fighters

One side.

Quote: Dikson

let them miss and slap on Khmeimim.

On the other hand. And the samovar is electric and not sincere.

Are you more worried about what they imposed on Iran and the Syrians, but the Russians survived? Israel only bombed the Syrian air defense in favor of Russia. Will fly quieter. No need to guard the Syrians.

[Volga073]

Uncle Vova is getting old.
The era of the late Brezhnev.

[Gray brother]

Quote: igorbrsv

Israel will not leave unanswered the death of aircraft

Already left.

[surf dude]

Just after the incident with IL - 20, the Syrian air defense was banned from firing up.

[Alexey-74]

The use of S-300 will entail much more serious consequences for Syria. Technically, shooting down Israeli planes with our air defense systems I think is not a problem, the problem is what to do next? If Israel loses planes, this will be tantamount to a declaration of war, and Syria is now not at all ready to fight, and Moscow does not want to complicate the already complicated relations with Israel that the United States stands for .... in short a full salad ...

[Ural-4320]

Quote: Metallurg_2

C'mon there tea. It seems that the catastrophic losses of the Arab countries in the Six Day War were due to the fact that Israel struck when collective prayer took place at Arab airfields by all personnel.
It seems to me that in half a century nothing has changed in this regard.

But an intelligent man said: “religion is a sigh of an oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is a spirit of soulless orders. Religion is the opium of the people. ”

[Krasnodar]

LSD intelligentsia, cocaine clergy, ecstasy state ..

[Vladimir]

It’s interesting, how can Syrians be taught to master such a complex weapon in such a short time? You won’t show which button you need to point your finger at. It’s interesting what kind of aptitude they have for learning the Russian language.

[hobot]

The time has not come yet ...

[spektr9]

Come when the Kremlin will listen well

[Photon]

Quote: Zubr

Now let's see where the rockets were launched from. More than sure, without going into the borders of the state. The use of C-300 would be unreasonable. Therefore, it remained only to shoot down missiles.

This is what happens, if the United States launches nuclear missiles in Russia (naturally without going into the borders of Russia), then the answer will also be unreasonable?

[businessv]

In an article authored by Marianna Belenkaya and Alexandra Georgievich, citing unnamed sources

I wonder how these ladies got information and from whom? War correspondents? Something new. Well, most importantly, got it! So now everything
and everyone understands! While the crews are preparing for the S-300, there will be no cover complexes left. Wonderful prospect! Ours are good too - is my hut from the edge? Although we certainly do not need confrontations with Israel, but we have harnessed for Syria, which means that the situation situation has to be resolved somehow! IMHO, I'm sorry!

[Igor Evgenievich.]

Quote: igorbrsv

Syrians are not ready either. What can they oppose Israel? I do not mean the air defense system, but the ground forces. Israel will not leave unanswered the deaths of aircraft and ground operations are entirely possible.

If Israel begins a ground operation, the whole Arab world will rise, including Egypt. And this is a big war game.

[zlinn]

And why is this Egypt? Why not buy Israeli gas and strangle the barmalei in the Sinai yourself?

[elmi]

Weakness provokes the use of force, especially if the weak side does not resist at all. Syria needs to respond to every attack by Israel with attacks on Israel. Of course, the reaction of Israel will be stormy, they are not used to getting change. Moreover, the Jews could not suppress. Destroy Hamas in a long-term war. The Syrian army has more Hamas and weapons, many times more. If the Israeli army invades Syria, then Iran, Hamas units, will defend Syria. I don’t think that everything will be easy for the Jews, especially since during the many years of war the Syrian army, Hamas, have accumulated combat experience. Active hostilities with the Israeli army will force Russia to decide on its position. Sitting on two chairs does not work, to frighten the Jews with the presence of C-300, C-400 as we see is no longer possible, you will probably have to harness the Syrians. That's when Israel will regret the attacks on Syria. Not only the border areas of Israel will suffer, but almost the entire territory. Israel’s military budget is not an unlimited and a long war will undermine the Israeli economy, which will cause discontent among the population. Israel strikes its neighbors with blows to weaken foreign states, but does not like to receive the change itself and to weaken from it. In reality, of course, there will be no strikes against Israel, since the Russian leadership will not allow Syria to conduct independently military operations, much less aggravate relations with Israel. The Syrians are very sorry that there is no USSR, since when the USSR is such what is happening now, just would not be

[zlinn]

Under the USSR, everything was much worse. The USSR more than once substituted Syria for almost rout. But Assad is in a very difficult situation, he cannot defend his power on his own and is forced to ask for help from Iran and Russia, but he does not need to seek additional adventures.

[elmi]

Perhaps it was not the USSR that was substituted, but the Syrians themselves were very risky in attacking Israel. Such courage was given to them by the fact that behind the back was the USSR and a number of allied Arab countries. The Syrians knew what to allow the complete defeat of Syria the USSR will not allow (example of the Arab-Israeli wars 1956g. 1973g.) The Soviet leadership warned Israel "about the most serious consequences" in the event of its "aggressive actions against Egypt and Syria." Besides, the USSR was well equipped with less modern weapons Arab countries, perhaps the Arabs overestimated their strength in the intention to confront Israel

[zlinn]

namely, they instilled unjustified hopes in them for the possibility of solving problems by military means, and they pecked and over and over again began to attack the same rake as soon as some of them came to understand the futility of such actions the problem solved itself

[koshmarik]

I have repeatedly asked the serving people the question of why, with the clear support of the United States, they absolutely bomb with impunity the bomb they want and where they want throughout the Middle East, and if things go on like this, then it is likely that Moscow cannot escape this fate. I built a shelter for myself in this case, but this is not a way out. It’s a pity for the country, and it’s a shame to go under the Jews. Maybe someone will explain what's what.

[Krasnodar]

If you built a shelter from the bombing of the Jews, do not forget to place a crucifix there so that the Christ-selling bombs evade the target. But garlic in case of an attack by Hale Avira is not recommended for use, because Judah’s elements of defeat will go right to your favorite smell. It is also not advisable to keep such personal hygiene products as Head and Shoulders in the bunker - this will instantly attract the attention of fleecy saboteurs.

[mvd ru]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

According to some reports, from 4 to 6 units have already been written off as losses.

But not immediately 10 .... Jews are all like you in one fell swoop 10 x ...... 2 just two and both without BK were the old S-200 already flunked the F-16 300 x hundreds will soon enter the database and that's it let's see

[georggy]

If we gain courage and bring down at least one F-16 over Lebanon, Tel Aviv’s desire to fuck in Syria from this state will immediately decrease.
What level should the decision be?
Who is the only one who gives this kind of team in Russia?
Alas, there is no command yet. That is why the raids on Damascus and its environs continue.

[Pentarhist]

New S-300s only for the protection of Ross. and the Israeli military

Dec 12 2018 - The military of Russia and Israel [again] agreed on cooperation between the Khmeimim air base and the Israeli Air Force command center. The parties discussed the operation of a direct communication channel to prevent dangerous incidents that threaten the life of Russian and Israeli troops.
...
A spokesman for Russian President Dmitry Peskov on Monday emphasized that the delivery of air defense systems to the Syrians is aimed at ensuring the security of Russian troops in Syria, and not against third countries.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov commented on the delivery of a battery of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria and said that Moscow needed to ensure the security of Russian forces in Syria. It is reported by RIA Novosti.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported on the delivery of the S-300 complex and other equipment to increase the level of security for Russian troops in Syria.

[Duty]

Quote: Tank jacket

When in the US, Trump announced Shatdaun and already state. the servants lined up for a free lunch they would have no time for Israel — their shirt is closer to the body. And without the United States, Israel will not stand up against the Shiite Sunni Muslims without a difference. Israel-Madame Broken

Your knowledge at the level of decision makers on the situation in Syria, incl. in the event of a terrorist attack on Israel. It can be assumed that you are from the Trump administration. Is Trump ours?

[Duty]

[quote = Ascetic] [quote = tlauikol] This is by the way the chief of the military air defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Alexander LEONOV,

[quote] An analysis of the use of air attacks in armed conflicts, including in the Syrian Arab Republic, showed that the enemy never repeats his actions and always chooses weak spots in the created air defense system of the opposing side.
Based on the experience gained in the course of armed conflict, a thorough analysis was carried out and changes were made to the main governing documents that regulate tactics and combat use of military air defense units.
Units and units prescribed conduct combat operations and anti-aircraft battles in a non-standard, skillful and creative manner, namely, to mislead the enemy by equipping false positions; timely change the starting position after repulsing air strikes; promotion to new areas is carried out mainly at night and on different routes. In addition, it is necessary to better solve the problems of engineering equipment and camouflage starting positions. Pay particular attention to the establishment of nomadic units and ambush operations. [/ Quote]
[/ Quote]

Some old tactics to combat an enemy air attack. She was still known since the days of Vietnam. At the General Staff did not come up with anything new during this time? Well then, the enemy knows this tactic and applies other techniques and methods of attack, quite successfully, by the way.

[Duty]

[quote = SSR] [quote = Mister Creed]
The S-300 systems, which our "handed over" to the Syrians in response to our plane shot down by the Syrians, were not transferred under their full control, there the decision to launch the missile is taken by our specialists and our specialists will give the go-ahead to open fire with the S-300 Syrian air defense system , only in the case of a "threat" to our military.
S-300, under our control, we are not at war with Israel, it’s another matter that Israel, fighting the Iranians, is pressing Syrians and our weapons in the guise.
The press can fail and get a response plop.
That's all. [/ Quote]
How do you know that the S-300s are not transferred under their full control? Do you receive information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?
If Israel receives a response plunge, I'm afraid the responsible air defense group in Syria (whether Russian, Syrian) will cease to exist. How do I know that? The Jews themselves said so. 100% fucking

[Yarhann]

just one tablet of CC18 is enough and the statehood of Israel will disappear forever - this is in case if we are fucked. Yes, perhaps the 3rd world will begin, but at least one problem will already be less.

[iouris]

Probably because Israel is too great a power.

[tank64rus]

When the "comrades" who lead "by hand" are deprived of their accounts and property "earned by unbearable labor" abroad, then Israeli pilots will bombard with a very big look. Everyone and everyone understands. We washed for our plane and get more. As the classic wrote a step forward and two steps back.

[Igor Fenyutin]

To avoid any strikes on Syrian territory, very little is needed: remove the Iranian military presence near the border with Israel and not supply weapons to Lebanese Hezbollah. If all this takes place, then the destruction of warehouses with weapons that pose a threat to Israel's security will be destroyed. Regardless of whether the S-300 are on alert or not. In 1982, in the Bekaa Valley, the Syrians concentrated the largest amount of air defense weapons per kilometer of the front, but this did not help. The Israelis turned all these batteries into dust without losing a single aircraft.

[Yarhann]

look at the root - Iran is systematically pushed out of Syria by all parties to the conflict - but Tehran’s campaign has its own game.

[huntsman650]

Quote: Igor Fenyutin

To avoid any strikes on Syrian territory, very little is needed: remove the Iranian military presence near the border with Israel and not supply weapons to Lebanese Hezbollah. If all this takes place, then the destruction of warehouses with weapons that pose a threat to Israel's security will be destroyed. Regardless of whether the S-300 are on alert or not. In 1982, in the Bekaa Valley, the Syrians concentrated the largest amount of air defense weapons per kilometer of the front, but this did not help. The Israelis turned all these batteries into dust without losing a single aircraft.

Old air defense systems could not fight against prs. And the radar discipline by the Syrians was not respected. We were brought to school in a case where an entire hexagonal squadron landed. after the destruction of the air defense, the hexagons of that case sent ours to sort it out. Soviet advisers included one complex, the rest on heating, naturally lost it. Then the planes were driven according to the worked out data, and when, according to the calculated data, the planes were in the affected area, they turned on the air defense and landed the planes.
I repeat, new complexes can work on PRS, plus electronic warfare. By the way, there is a plus for us in the bombing. write, analyze, draw conclusions, upgrade.
By the way, there was a chipboard brochure in a school where similar cases were dealt with.

[Arc8]

Maybe it’s time to hit the Tel Aviv international airport?

[UAZ 452]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Jews use Lebanese airspace, where long-range anti-aircraft missile systems could get them, but do not have the right to do so. Then they hide at low altitudes in the Bekaa Valley region. When a civilian plane flies or lands from a damask airport, the electronic warfare equipment and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems are disabled for safety reasons. At this time, Israeli aircraft are approaching the Syrian borders and launch.

In the East there is a wise saying: if you deceived me, shame on you, if you deceived me twice, shame on me.
What I mean is that you would have to be a rare idiot not to change the rules after the first time your opponent used them to cause you harm.

[Fonmeg]

How can Moscow offend its Jewish friends?! The “both yours and ours” policy continues.

[bone1]

The Syrians are not yet ready to use it, but what have we not learned yet?

[Adimius38]

Well, one gets the impression that the Israelis in Syria are always two steps ahead of the entire Russian group, along with the Syrians combined. Very accurate strikes, wonderful reconnaissance work. Catching the shells at the moment of reloading is also a well-organized job, they monitor everything that moves there and where everything is located.

[Vladimir_65]

They are warned in time. All the same, for Russia this is already a sold product, everything has been paid for.

[Lead]

Stupid question, really! Everyone knows that Syria is an excellent testing ground for new types of weapons! Keyword: "New types of weapons"!
And the S-300 is an old type of weapon, it no longer needs to be tested, everything is clear there and everything is clear with it.

[Kot28]

Exactly so. Now the S-700 is on the way, when they are delivered to Syria, the Israeli military will not find it enough...

[digitalcn75]

Impossible to disagree

[Yarhann]

they don’t shoot because there is an agreement, Iran has gotten very deep into Syria and not only Israel but also the Russian Federation and Assad, and the Turks and the Americans as well, cannot like this. Therefore, the Iranians will be quietly pushed further home; they were suzalized, just as the Kurds were suzalized by the Americans and abandoned. this is normal - that’s what politics is for. Someone will still get the benefit of this.
If someone thinks that everyone is burning with love for Iran, then don’t be naive. Iran also plays its own game and clearly many people do not like it.

[Lead]

Eight batteries were hit during an Israeli strike on Al-Quds Force positions in Syria. Among them are the Russian systems S-75, S-125, Buk, Pantsir and radar - part of the air defense system. The Haaretz newspaper writes about this. Telegram channel Directorate 4 clarifies that the Osa anti-aircraft complex was also destroyed.

At the same time, it is indicated that for some reason the Syrians and Russians do not use the S-300 and S-400 systems. They are designed to protect Russian positions and are managed only by citizens of the Russian Federation.

Source:
https://inforesist.org/izrail-unichtozhil-vosem-rossijskih-sistem-pvo-pri-poslednem-udare-po-sirii/

[riwas]

Is aviation not ready either?
And for self-defense (optical and laser seekers) of air defense systems, “Shtora” type interference is needed.

[Varaga]

My God! Fill up a couple of these premature ones and they won’t climb again. The gut is thin. All they can do is bomb where there is no protection. Yes, all for civilian objects.

[Vladimir_65]

Until Russia officially declares Syria a “zone of its vital interests” (as mattress makers do), expecting that reason (or the instinct of self-preservation - which is the same thing) will prevail among Jews or anyone else is the same as believing in one’s grandfather. frost or the honesty of officials. Therefore, we will see a “response” to the bombings and raids in the Syrian Arab Republic no sooner than the cancer whistles on the mountain. Or the deputies and “their Putin” will voluntarily give up the loot and go to work in factories and mines.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Tank jacket

And why didn’t they open the second front for so long? And they discovered when they were afraid that Stalin would get ahead?

It's not that simple. Great Britain has been fighting on its fronts since 1940, the USA on its fronts since 1941 (helping Great Britain), both helped the USSR since the end of 1941...
I recommend: Winston Churchill. The Second World War.

[SHIPOK]

The Syrians are allowed to use the S-300 only with the permission of Russia, but our Jews will be allowed to hit their own.

[facktor]

Why don't Iranian air defenses protect Iranian interests in Syria? What is the point of Russia taking care of the Iranians if they don’t want to take care of themselves? What the Syrian air defense should do is a matter for Syria.

[peterpen]

Headlines of the day: Iran “distances itself” from Russia and transfers its own air defense systems to Syria

[Essex62]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock

Alas, strong bandit countries, weak ... persons with low social responsibility. Such is the world ....

Are you an officer of the USSR Air Force and seriously consider (considered) your country to be a bandit?
Regarding your further, quite logical reasoning, what then is the contingent of the Russian Armed Forces invited by Assad doing in Syria? And how will ours be able to sit neutrally if the Jews begin to destroy the Armed Forces of the SAR on a full scale. Here it’s either get out or get involved. The West is becoming more and more impudent, smoothing corners and maneuvering are the tactics of people with low social status....... Have we stopped being strong too? The mattresses are not shy and forcefully, we dry ourselves silently. We express our utmost concern. After all, it’s clear as day - the situation cannot be maintained THIS way. One extreme liberal recently told me that Putin would soon leave Syria and I agreed with him. Explain why?

[bang bang]

The Israelis do not enter the Syrian airspace, so the use of the S-300 is impossible - they will declare it an act of aggression and whatever else... another thing is why the chosen ones of God and others like them do not pay attention to such trifles......

[kunstkammer]

Quote from AUL

For some reason, it seems to me that it is not the Syrians who are not ready to use C-300, but in Moscow.

How can you even imagine that MASVE would apply systems to their fellow Jews? Putin won’t even have time to take off his kippah. That's not why they destroyed the Union and privatized the country... Oh, that's not why!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Vladimir 5

To Fime's reserve ... So Mendel with Laverman and Shelomov in the main, Sechin with the other Vekselbergs and Nabiullins for money, and the main Chubais from the giyur, everything is seized there, so that there is reason to rejoice, is it not visible from the policy towards Israel ... ...

Medvedev (in your opinion, Mendel) - And you, my friend, will have to work on refuting the official version. Still, we need something more than just reposts of reposts on perposts of perposts with mention of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I have not found any reliable evidence for your version.
Laverman - I don’t know who you mean. I haven’t seen it on the Nazi Internet.
Putin (he was never a Shelomov) - So these Shelomovs were never Jews. Moreover, they did not live in the Pale of Settlement, they were hereditary peasants, and peasantry was practiced in Russia. empire, Jews are prohibited. There is not a single piece of evidence of Maria Ivanovna’s “Jewishness.”
Sechin is purely Russian and not a member of the government. Vekselberg is a Jew and not a member of the government. Nabiullina is Bashkir and not a member of the government. Chubais is a Jew and not a member of the government.
Everything and everywhere is captured:
Government of the Russian Federation. Open Wikipedia. Bah! Of the 32 two members of the government, I (and I have a trained eye for different nationalities, I lived and served in different regions, met with many people of different nationalities) I could classify Kozak as Jews. I wouldn't take one more. Russian sits on Ukrainian! Government of the Russian Federation. Wikipedia. See for yourself.
What else ? FORBES oligarchs: discover the 200 richest. Take a sheet of paper, a calculator and count. Get the following numbers: about 60% are Slavs, about 21% are Asians and Caucasians, about 19% are Jews.
Then you open FORBES: The richest people in the world. Take a sheet, a calculator and count.
It's hard and boring.
I understand that rumors, fabrications, conspiracy theories, crap.TVru are easier to absorb. But if you conduct a debate, then you need to rely on something more than just reposts of reposts on perposts of perposts with the mention of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Although whether you need facts and arguments is a big question. Most Nazis, nationalists, anti-Semites - abandon their views - will be left with nothing. This is the meaning of their existence.

[peterpen]

The Israeli military hit eight air defense batteries in yesterday's attack on Syria. At least this is what the Haaretz newspaper writes. Among those attacked were Russian-made systems, including the S-75, S-125, Buk, Pantsir, as well as a radar that is part of the air defense complex.

As it became known later, we are talking about a Chinese-made radar designed to detect modern stealth military aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35. According to the Directorate 4 telegram channel, the Osa anti-aircraft complex was among those destroyed.

As Haaretz points out, the Syrian and Russian militaries have not yet deployed their more advanced systems, the S-300. The S-400, which is in Russian service and controlled exclusively by Russians, is also inactive. Their task is to protect the positions of Russian troops in the region.
It also became known that the Iranian airliner carried “dozens of coffins” from Syria with soldiers killed in the Israeli strike.
The bodies of soldiers killed in an Israeli attack in Syria on Monday have been delivered to Iran. The Israeli press reports this with reference to Syrian sources. Allegedly, the removal of “dozens of coffins” from Damascus airport was carried out by a plane of the Iranian company Mahan Air.

The airline is under US sanctions due to accusations of transporting weapons for pro-Iranian forces in Syria. Recently, German airports have also been closed to her.
Israel has repeatedly attacked planes that, according to Jewish intelligence, were delivering weapons to Damascus airport. One such attack occurred on Sunday, when an Iranian aircraft was believed to be the target of an Israeli attack. Another airliner heading to the Syrian capital on the same day changed course after news of the bombing. As reported the day before, a massive Israeli attack in Syria led to the death of at least 21 people, of whom at least 12 were members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. According to the Israel Defense Forces, the targets of the attack were positions of Iranian forces and air defense batteries. The Haaretz newspaper reports 10 targets hit. According to the IDF, weapons depots at Damascus International Airport, an intelligence headquarters and an Iranian training camp were attacked. Eight Russian-made air defense batteries were attacked, as well as a Chinese radar designed to detect stealth aircraft.

[Catfish]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock

Quote: Tank jacket

And why didn’t they open the second front for so long? And they discovered when they were afraid that Stalin would get ahead?

It's not that simple. Great Britain has been fighting on its fronts since 1940, the USA on its fronts since 1941 (helping Great Britain), both helped the USSR since the end of 1941...
I recommend: Winston Churchill. The Second World War.

Well, for our “uryakalki” Winnipuh is not an authority, but a damned “arrogant Saxon”. It’s easier to read our Voenizdat book from 1972 (if I’m not mistaken) entitled “Combat Use of Aircraft Carriers.” Among the authors there are Morrison, Futida and Okumiya, edited by Admiral Alafuzov. It perfectly shows how our allies allegedly “sat back” on purpose without opening a second front.
And on the topic: at home we have a hell of a lot of problems, soon there will be no time for Syria and Israel at all.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

By the way, memoirs and documentary literature from German sources are not burdened by the disdain of German generals for the Red Army. Current Russian and other critics are much more ironic about the Red Army than the generals who were there: Mainstein, Guderian, Halder, etc.
If I find a book through your link, I will read it, thank you.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Rabioso

You should have taught history better. Israel survived in a complete hostile environment and now it does not exist at all

I agree.
Therefore, Syrians need to look for (remember) Israel’s pain points.
Attract allies and enemies. Israel skillfully maneuvered, quarreling the Arabs; this cannot continue indefinitely.

Massacre in Sabra and Shatila.

https://ant-63.livejournal.com/248628.html

"UN crimes: Zionism is still fascism!"
http://www.prezidentpress.ru/news/2901-prestupleniya-oon-sionizm-po-prezhnemu-fashizm.html

[Ashkelon79]

But nothing, Sabra and Shatila were the answer for the massacre in the Christian city of Damur carried out by PLO militants.
And what did the Lebanese from the Kataib organization do to Sabra and Shatila?

[Iskander. Richard]

The Russian Federation is a technically backward state, where almost the entire potential of the USSR has been destroyed, the elemental base is missing from the word “completely”. So what do you want? Compete on equal terms with the advanced countries of the world? Israel, even the USSR, showed its superiority in technology in Lebanon, and there’s no mention of the Russian Federation.

[Catfish]

More details about Lebanon, please.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Comrade Kim

Quote: Rabioso

You should have taught history better. Israel survived in a complete hostile environment and now it does not exist at all

I agree.
Therefore, Syrians need to look for (remember) Israel’s pain points.
Attract allies and enemies. Israel skillfully maneuvered, quarreling the Arabs; this cannot continue indefinitely.

Massacre in Sabra and Shatila.

https://ant-63.livejournal.com/248628.html

"UN crimes: Zionism is still fascism!"
http://www.prezidentpress.ru/news/2901-prestupleniya-oon-sionizm-po-prezhnemu-fashizm.html

Against the backdrop of a SERIES of similar events, this event in Sabra and Shaatila was preceded by the Damur Massacre. The Damour massacre was a massacre of Lebanese Christians committed by the Palestine Liberation Organization and their Lebanese allies in the Lebanese city of Damour. in January 1976 during the assault on this city and after it. The victims of the attack ranged from 150 to 582 people (for example, a note in one source states that 200 civilians were killed in Damour.) The Damour massacre was revenge for the Quarantine. Quarantine was overrun by Lebanese Christian militias, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1000–1500 people. Everyone had their own “sons of bitches”: the USSR, China and the socialist countries had the PLO with its PFLP, carrying out terrorist attacks all over the world, Israel had Christian formations. Everyone has their own mutual accounts with each other.

[Michael_59]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

"So I look at you and think: well, you are all fools!" (A. Raikin).
Any commentator thinks so here.

Comrade Lieutenant Colonel, well, it’s a shame to “forget” in such a beautiful comment about the maintenance and coordination of the ISIS, which is rotten by the Israeli military machine.
PS It’s even more shameful to mention Alexander Matrosov in this “format”.
PPS Not a political officer, right?

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

alas, but practice has shown that it’s not hundreds, but dozens. Yes, the system is better than the American patriots, but it can cope with small (up to 10 missiles) attacks from the Palestinians, but it can’t cope with 2 hail at all.
very controversial. there are many Russian instructors and a large Russian infrastructure in Syria. It will not be possible to deliver a massive strike without hitting the Russians, and this is a direct conflict with Russia.
Israel tries not to touch Assad and his SAA as much as possible.[/quote]
here it is more interesting what opinion he had about his charges. judging by the footage of the defeat of the Syrian air defense, the preparation and discipline of the calculations leaves much to be desired. [/ Quote]

1. practice has shown that it is not hundreds, but tens. Yes, the system is better than the American patriots, but it can cope with small (up to 10 missiles) attacks from the Palestinians, but it can’t cope with 2 hail at all.
- I don’t know, I just looked at the results of the residential complex during the Unbreakable Rock and November 2018, I didn’t see anything like that. I’ll say right away that I read Russian and non-Russian sources;
2. I don’t think that the number of Russian instructors is very large. Again, interaction between the Russian Defense Ministry and the Israeli Defense Ministry must provide for all options for the security of Russian military personnel;
3. Everyone has their own interests in this conflict. This is what the parties proceed from;
4. Major F. (I even remember his last name!) had a low opinion of the military pilots of Egypt: kinship, nepotism, laziness, stupidity, lack of education, loss of morale at the slightest failure.