In the Far East, the bomber Su-34 disappeared from radar

In the Far East, during the training flights in the air, two Su-34 fighter-bomber collided. It is reported by TASS, citing a source in the power structures of the region.

According to the source, two Su-34 aircraft sailed from the sea and collided in flight, the crew of one aircraft catapulted. Nothing is known about the fate of the crews of both aircraft, he added.

At the same time, RIA News reports that in the Far East, one Su-34 aircraft, which was performing a training flight, disappeared from radar. The crew of the second aircraft, flying by, saw two domes of the opened parachutes after the ejection of the crew.

According to preliminary information, the incident occurred over the waters of the Tatar Strait between Sakhalin and the Khabarovsk Territory.

The Ministry of Defense confirmed information about the accident of two Su-34 in the Far East. According to the Ministry of Defense, the crews of the machines practiced maneuvering during a training flight, when the touch of the cars occurred. The pilots could not calculate the safe distance between the aircraft, or technically an abnormal situation occurred, and two Su-34 encountered.

The accident occurred in 35 km from the coast over the waters of the Sea of ​​Japan. The crew of one aircraft ejected, the second aircraft, presumably, returned to the base with a damaged engine.

The military began an operation to rescue crew members. The An-12 aircraft and two Mi-8 search and rescue helicopters flew to the ejection site, searching for pilots.

Comments

[Rom8681]

I hope everyone is alive

[Spartanez300]

According to TASS, the planes collided. The agency’s source said that after the accident, one fighter fell into the sea, and the fate of the second is unknown. This is how they managed it and whose fault it is, we hope that the pilots are alive. But even the two newest aircraft in the trash again I repeat through whose fault.

[NKT]

The main thing is that the pilots are alive, and the plane is a piece of iron, we’ll build more.

[figwam]

35 km from the coast in icy water, if not immediately found, then be in trouble.

[x.andvlad]

Yeah, the water temperature is now around 2-3 degrees.
Without appropriate uniforms, 15 minutes is enough.
Let's hope that there is the right equipment and rescue equipment.
Otherwise, it will be gouging.

[Grits]

In the Tatar Strait now, sooner than this, it is not water at 2–3 degrees, but ice. I hope this saves our pilots

[x.andvlad]

God grant that it would be so.

[Grits]

it looks something like this

[x.andvlad]

Visual picture.
This shows that in the south of the strait of ice is much less. Hence the fears are confirmed.

[bk316]

There should be ice, but the weather is rubbish - wind and snow.

[Rzzz]

They should fly over the sea in hydrothermocombenizones; they will last several hours even in ice water. Plus on the chair there should be an inflatable raft.
God forbid everything will be fine.

[Elephant]

Even during the Union, in the Far East, our pilots, in addition to inflatable vests, had very compact bright orange inflatable boats complete with a can of highly compressed air. But in cold water, especially across the floor, you can quickly freeze even in dry clothes.

[RL]

Whose fault is it? They fly a little, but they know about such a noble thing as dog fight by hearsay. Pilots would go to Europe, but they will fall in a heap, otherwise in your TV all "our most". And in the icy water, I hope there were rescue complexes on the pilots or again saved?

[donavi49]

Yes. But what about the build - the last 5 aircraft this year and all. There are no new contracts for Su-34 yet. And not laid.

[Fungus]

Man is the main thing, not airplanes. Not everyone is selling you for money.

[Soho]

Man is of course the main thing, but scattering such expensive and scarce cars is a crime. The mistake of at least one of the two crews will cost the state millions of dollars and a drop in the country's defense

[NKT]

Earlier, the Moscow Region declared that by 2020 it would build about 200 units, and only two contracts were signed for 32 and 92 aircraft. At the end of 2016, there was talk of a third contract.

[spektr9]

IO used to say

Previously, it stated, it’s just not in a hurry to fulfill, but Novosibirsk is already optimizing in full .....

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Su-34 airborne: RF-92253 (09 red) was transferred to the recreated military department of MPEI as a training manual.

[spec.78]

So they conclude a new, NAPO them. CHKALOVA can produce up to 20 such machines a year

[evgenii67]

iron worth 1,5 lard wooden

[Rzzz]

Do you think that if you do not build a plane, then the money will remain in the treasury? Yeah.

[NEXUS]

Quote: NKT

The main thing is that the pilots are alive, and the plane is a piece of iron, we’ll build more.

If they did not immediately find it, then most likely the second crew was killed, either in a collision, or already in ice water. It will be a miracle if the second crew survived.

[user1212]

Quote: NEXUS

It will be a miracle if the second crew survived

Miracles happen :) The second plane landed on one engine, one pilot of a fallen drying was found

[NKT]

When flights are made to us by the cold sea, do pilots wear any special suits?

[Piramidon]

Quote: NKT

When flights are made to us by the cold sea, do pilots wear any special suits?

There are such MSCs called. Marine rescue kit. That's just the pilots do not always use them. Our crews preferred to fly without them, although the flights took place mainly over the sea. They said that in flight it is very inconvenient in them, and in which case the agony in cold water will last for a couple of hours.

[spec.78]

Yes. Wetsuit dry type. Orange. Plus a life jacket and life raft. Also included is a beacon

[bk316]

either already in ice water.

Generally - Tatar freezes.
But sometimes ice breaks.
As far as I know from pilots when ejecting a spasplot, it certainly only sounds like a raft, but still not naked in the water.

[Vadim237]

Now they will be charged with damage - 2 billion rubles for destroyed equipment, since the collision is their fault.

[spec.78]

Just stopping by them. Chkalov in Novosibirsk will increase the order of a couple. May God grant that they may be opened alive and well

[Vadim237]

Yes, all you need to find 2 additional billion is such a trifle, and military equipment is not insured, the pilots are to blame for this fact.

[Underwater hunter]

Something today’s news is bleak in the morning .. the terrorists took responsibility for the explosion in Magnitogorsk, in Chechnya Kadyrov forgave 9 billion to his population for gas, at our expense, now the planes collided ..

[Spartanez300]

About 9 billions of gas, this is generally chaos. Chechens, as if in paradise, are living at the expense of Russia with all the blessings for them, and Russians, as always, are crap to their ears. They forgot too quickly who cut our heads off to our soldiers, but who did it there and live.

[Underwater hunter]

Quote: Spartanez300

About 9 billions of gas, this is generally chaos. Chechens, as if in paradise, are living at the expense of Russia with all the blessings for them, and Russians, as always, are crap to their ears. They forgot too quickly who cut our heads off to our soldiers, but who did it there and live.

And do not say, this mess has gotten already ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Something dark news today in the morning

Yeah! This morning, as they say, "Again twenty-five!" - and nothing good! One frustration!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Spartanez300

About 9 billions of gas, this is generally chaos. Chechens, as if in paradise, are living at the expense of Russia with all the blessings for them, and Russians, as always, are crap to their ears. They forgot too quickly who cut our heads off to our soldiers, but who did it there and live.

It's fine.

All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell.

[bober1982]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell.

You forgot to indicate that Orwell meant the Soviet Union

[AnderS]

You forgot to indicate that Orwell meant the Soviet Union

It is impossible to say for sure who Orwell had in mind. The United States is also declared as a "country of equal opportunities" but try to implement these very opportunities in practice.

[bober1982]

Quote: AnderS

Whom Orwell meant there definitely cannot be said.

After all, it was a parody of communism, definitely.

[1810BM86]

Quote: bober1982

After all, it was a parody of communism, definitely.

Actually, England in those years was much worse than the USSR. It was about England that he wrote. There are no allusions to an alliance there.

[bober1982]

If the boar, Old majorurged to overthrow the power of people to the song Creatures of England, this does not mean that Orwell meant England.

[Wolf]

Or maybe hit on "democracy"? ;)

[bober1982]

Why then didn’t they publish and promote this book?

[Wolf]

I don’t know? But Orvel beat him very deeply; he was talking about a world reward not about a country or a state. There are few such writers in the West.

[bober1982]

Orwell showed what power is, into which it turns those who have seized upon it, showed those who naively believe meaningless slogans.

[Wolf]

Yes, Ali is not a state on the world plane!

[bober1982]

No, he only touched on this problem, including on a global scale, but this parody was on Stalin.

[Wolf]

You sure? Have you read 1984? Who was he talking about? ;)

[Wolf]

And in one and in the second book, he talked about a good cheer. At Farmi he talked about different nations! ;)

[bober1982]

It has now become so fashionable to talk (about the whole world order), because they с us equalized in terms of totalitarianism, and maybe even changed places.
We talked, off topic, with the Epiphany Eve!

[Wolf]

And then in the west they beat totalitarianism, as a matter of fact, they saw little iceheads! Orvel beat one of them! ;)

[1810BM86]

Yes, totalitarianism in England was not less after the war, but rather more than in the USSR. Even gays were jailed, such things.

[7gor]

Aaron, you're kind of a serious character, and here you are gloating

[bober1982]

He does not gloat, by the way he has the only sensible comment on the topic of the accident, but it turned out unsuccessfully on our internal affairs, including Chechen gas.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: 7gor

Aaron, you're kind of a serious character, and here you are gloating

Well, I'm sorry if it turned out unsuccessfully. Apparently superimposed on the old disputes on the pacification in Chechen.

[Dude]

The branch, in general, in my opinion, is not very suitable for extraneous discussions.

[kdakda]

Absurdity of course, but for some reason I was not very surprised, well, we’ll pay Nitsche. Apparently they think so there. Wonderland.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Chechens already live in paradise at the expense of Russia, all the blessings for them, and the Russians, as always, are in shit up to their ears. They forgot too quickly who cut our heads to our soldiers, but who did it there and live

But how many years did Russia and Russians live due to Chechen oil? Count and do not write such nonsense anymore.

As with the cut heads, those who cut their heads and committed other crimes have long been punished and ordinary residents of the Chechen Republic have nothing to do with this.

And in general, it is not necessary to promote nationalism in our multinational country, otherwise at such a pace the Russian border will again pass through the Ryazan region. What do you want?

And they will sort it out on gas in Chechnya, by the way people there are far from noisy, I personally watched it for 9 years. serving there.

[aglet]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But how many years did Russia and Russians live due to Chechen oil? Count and do not write such nonsense anymore.

Chechnya has always been part of Russia, and the money for oil went to Chechnya too. and now ramzan himself is banking this oil. and the fact that every Chechen, from a baby 6,5 kilo rubles for gas only should, is that how? it’s just for gas, they don’t pay for anything at all, social tension, you see. Russian Vanya is not socially stressed, he will pay for everything, and for Chechnya, and for Dagestan, only if there was no war

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But how many years did Russia and Russians live due to Chechen oil? Count and do not write such nonsense anymore.

Yes of course. After all, the Russians do not have their own oil. Therefore, I had to sit on the neck of the Chechens.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

As with the cut heads, those who cut their heads and committed other crimes have long been punished and ordinary residents of the Chechen Republic have nothing to do with this.

And are you sure of this, of course?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And in general, we don’t need to promote nationalism in our multinational country,

Are you bleached? What is the propaganda of nationalism? About the Chechens, what, and the words can not be said?
The Spartan, by the way, spoke of equality - since the Chechens were forgiven for gas debts, then they should forgive the Russians. So to say brotherly. And then fraternally always, for some reason, it turns out in favor of Chechnya.
[quote = Ratmir_Ryazan ... otherwise the border of Russia will again pass through the Ryazan region at such a pace. What do you want? [/ quote]
Threaten?

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Spartanez300

About 9 billion for gas, this is generally chaos. Chechens already live in paradise at the expense of Russia, all the benefits for them

But Muscovites annoy me, they constantly renew their bus fleet in Moscow, and they send their bushy junk to the regions.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Quote: Spartanez300

About 9 billion for gas, this is generally chaos. Chechens already live in paradise at the expense of Russia, all the benefits for them

But Muscovites annoy me, they constantly renew their bus fleet in Moscow, and they send their bushy junk to the regions.

This, again, is not Muscovites themselves to blame (to ordinary Muscovites, by and large, they don’t care), but the government. They only had order in Moscow, and the regions survive. For the government, the regions are well ... you know who.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

The regional court decided it was unlikely that Gazprom would execute it. If he does, then it will talk about a lot. And so, if there really are no options, then what to do ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

The regional court decided it was unlikely that Gazprom would execute it. If he does, then it will talk about a lot. And so, if there really are no options, then what to do ...

Gazprom is officially a state-owned company, and therefore this money can be deducted from the budgetary, subsidized money that goes to Chechnya. This is quite real, and Ramzan Kadyrov will simply rub off.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Only half, the state owns a 50.00001 key package. Already infa from Gazprom is that I will appeal. Chechnya has already really reduced budget money, if they were to see how much it was at least 5 years ago and now, the gap is decent. I do not think that Chechnya has learned to earn money for this.

[7gor]

Why launch a fake about Chechnya and gas! Nobody wrote off anything! The population does not pay, the republic gives up resources! All

[aglet]

Quote: 7gor

Why launch a fake about Chechnya and gas! Nobody wrote off anything! The population does not pay, the republic gives up resources! All

and what are the resources in Chechnya? Something I forgot? nothing but oil, and they gave that ramzan

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: 7gor

The population does not pay, the republic gives resources! All

And he takes resources in Russia. Normally so.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: 7gor

Why launch a fake about Chechnya and gas! Nobody wrote off anything! The population does not pay, the republic gives up resources! All

And that is true!

[tomket]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Something today’s gloomy news in the morning .. the terrorists took responsibility for the explosion in Magnitogorsk

But what about Medvedev's "gas police"? How to replace plastic windows with wooden ones? Are you saying that the Emergencies Ministry did not distinguish between a gas explosion and a terrorist attack? Did the special services lie?

[Rzzz]

A terrorist attack is not always a TNT bomb with a ticking alarm clock.
With an ordinary wrench, you can unscrew the gas riser on the stairwell at night, and dump it to the side without noise.

[tomket]

Quote: rzzz

A terrorist attack is not always a TNT bomb with a ticking alarm clock.
With an ordinary wrench, you can unscrew the gas riser on the stairwell at night, and dump it to the side without noise.

And then there is a battle with the destruction of Gazelka (I refer to "Komsomolskaya Pravda"), followed by finishing off the group, and neither the Ministry of Emergency Situations nor Medvedev about it a dream, and they begin to groan and suffer about innovations, "police", checks ... I cannot understand who, the population, the Ministry of Emergencies, or Medvedev?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: tomket

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Something today’s gloomy news in the morning .. the terrorists took responsibility for the explosion in Magnitogorsk

But what about Medvedev's "gas police"? How to replace plastic windows with wooden ones? Are you saying that the Emergencies Ministry did not distinguish between a gas explosion and a terrorist attack? Did the special services lie?

Listen, please do not spoil the mood with this last name of this foul person!
With respect and no offense!

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

In Chechnya, Kadyrov forgave 9 billion to his population for gas, at our expense,

Well, Chechnya is, as it were, a region of the Russian Federation, but the fact that Belarus gave 100 billion dollars for 10 years is already too much. 100 billion dollars = 6600 billion rubles, divided by 1.5 mln (cost of the plane) = 4400 Su 34 aircraft

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Quote: Underwater Hunter

In Chechnya, Kadyrov forgave 9 billion to his population for gas, at our expense,

Well, Chechnya is, as it were, a region of the Russian Federation, but the fact that Belarus gave 100 billion dollars for 10 years is already too much. 100 billion dollars = 6600 billion rubles, divided by 1.5 mln (cost of the plane) = 4400 Su 34 aircraft

Belarusians, nevertheless, whatever one may say, are brothers. What about Chechnya? Sorry, but I can’t recognize them as such. In addition, we remember how they slaughtered Slavs, who were not at all military, in Chechnya in the 90s, we know how they behaved during the Second World War.
Or is it impossible to talk about it now?

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

We know how they behaved during the Second World War.
Or is it impossible to talk about it now?

Well, the same Germans killed about 20 million citizens, and now our best partners, we’re pulling Nord Stream 2 to them, we have to live in the future, although you are right too, the sediment still remained from how we treated Russians in the national republics in 90 years , by the way, Tajiks also excelled in this regard, but now there are a lot of their guest workers in Russia

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Well, the same Germans we killed like 20 million citizens, and now the best partners, we’re pulling Nord Stream 2 to them, we have to live the future, although you too

Do we forgive the Germans for debts?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Quote: Underwater Hunter

In Chechnya, Kadyrov forgave 9 billion to his population for gas, at our expense,

Well, Chechnya is, as it were, a region of the Russian Federation, but the fact that Belarus gave 100 billion dollars for 10 years is already too much. 100 billion dollars = 6600 billion rubles, divided by 1.5 mln (cost of the plane) = 4400 Su 34 aircraft

Belarusians, nevertheless, whatever one may say, are brothers. What about Chechnya? Sorry, but I can’t recognize them as such. In addition, we remember how they slaughtered Slavs, who were not at all military, in Chechnya in the 90s, we know how they behaved during the Second World War.
Or is it impossible to talk about it now?

And Chechnya is neighbors, and sometimes neighbors are dearer than "brothers". But in this case it is an allegory. The Belarusians, like the Ukrainians, together with the Russians, are generally, historically, one nation. And those who call them brothers in front of those in front of a falsified fog.
We are not brothers, we are they, and they are we.

[asv363]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Something dark news today in the morning ..

Vladimir, why are you in a specific topic about the "collision" of two Su-34 with unknown consequences for the pilots, drag any unnecessary things, to put it mildly? What does the news about 9 billion have to do with what happened?

[Yujanin]

According to TASS, the planes collided.

It seems that young people arbitrarily practiced aerobatics. Let's hope that the pilots are alive.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Spartanez300

This is how they managed it and whose fault it is, we hope that the pilots are alive. But even the two newest aircraft in the trash again I repeat through whose fault.

It happens to everyone. Offhand glanced at the history of our Air Force.

- 17.01.95 - 2 F-16A collided in the course of practicing aerial combat over the sea opposite Palmachim. One pilot catapulted well, the second died.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Spartanez300

This is how they managed it and whose fault it is, we hope that the pilots are alive. But even the two newest aircraft in the trash again I repeat through whose fault.

It happens to everyone. Offhand glanced at the history of our Air Force.

- 17.01.95 - 2 F-16A collided in the course of practicing aerial combat over the sea opposite Palmachim. One pilot catapulted well, the second died.

It’s a pity when people die!
To be honest, when they ask the question: Does a person like Americans, British, Russians or Jews, people try to answer something and start to hang. In fact, there are ordinary people and their government. Ordinary people have the same values, no matter in which country they live, this is the creation of a family for raising children, health, happiness and well-being. Governments have different goals and their goals are not the goals of the people. With the exception of the USSR (there were excesses, but the general concept was all for the people, there were no oligarchs).

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Spartanez300

According to TASS, the planes collided. The agency’s source said that after the accident, one fighter fell into the sea, and the fate of the second is unknown. This is how they managed it and whose fault it is, we hope that the pilots are alive.

This is where the search and rescue service (SSS) should show itself, and the result largely depends on its readiness. Let's hope that we are ready, and the pilots will be saved, although no one is immune from "force majeure".

In the spirit of the war, I will note that the Ukropskaya PSS either worked for the "five", or someone traded in pilots but with an abundance of downed dill planes and catapulting pilots from them, we have them captive, NEMA .

Such a reality.

[bk316]

dig a search and rescue service (PSS).

Already shown ....

[Separ DNR]

Quote: bk316

Already shown ....

It is so gratifying that PSS Pacific Fleet showed professionalism, training and efficiency. Of course, even in practice this does not happen anymore, but what Pe-eS-eS-nicknames did -

[StudentVK]

Airplanes are good, but PEOPLE and experience are more important. God forbid the men are alive.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spartanez300

... This is how they managed so and whose fault ... I repeat once again through whose fault

There is still a search and rescue operation, and you are already stamping your feet and demanding that you conduct an investigation immediately and report to you.

[helmi8]

Quote: Spartanez300

It’s how they managed it and through whose fault, we hope that the pilots are alive

Through whose fault - then they will sort it out. There is a mistake in the piloting technique. One pilot has already been picked up from the water (from the liferaft), while the second is still unknown. And the second plane landed in Khurba (Komsomolsk-on-Amur)

[major147]

Quote: Spartanez300

the fate of the second is unknown

One of the Su-34 bombers that collided in the sky returned to the Khurb base in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, TASS reports.

[amr]

and what will we shoot?

[Fast_mutant]

I think that even if (I really hope) the pilots are alive, then they flew off at 34.

[svp67]

Quote: Rom8681

I hope everyone is alive

Yes, this is the most important thing now. People, the main thing is that they would survive and be saved.

An-12 aircraft and two Mi-8 search and rescue helicopters flew to the ejection site, which search for pilots.

I hope that the fleet will connect its forces quickly

[Lord of the Sith]

“One Su-34 after a collision fell (its pilots ejected), and the second was able to land with a failed engine”

One Su-34 may have fallen between the Khabarovsk Territory and Sakhalin in the Tatar Strait, and the second was able to sit with a failed engine.

According to preliminary data, the bombers performed scheduled flights from Khurba Airport, located 17 km from Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

[aglet]

Quote: Sith Lord

One Su-34, possibly, fell between the Khabarovsk Territory and Sakhalin in the Tatar Strait, and the second was able to land with a failed engine.

at least 10 hours have passed since the accident, and the Moscow Region is still wondering about chamomile

[spektr9]

RIA speaks of two fallen aircraft
https://ria.ru/20190118/1549543529.html
https://ria.ru/20190118/1549535620.html

[Orkraider]

Pray for a miracle!
During training, excesses are inevitable, although it is very disappointing, of course.

The main thing is that the pilots of the fallen survive. And so that the survivors are not condemned.

[TaKe_1t]

Something not very positive news in the morning ....

[depressant]

Take, and don’t talk! She couldn’t sleep all night, forgot for an hour, woke up, as if after a faint - she was sick! I turned on my shaitan gadget, and there! ... Magnitogorsk, And ***, planes ... Chechnya wrote off 9 billion ... It would be better if she fainted. Poor pilots! Lord, if only you stayed alive, hear me !!!!!!! ... Coffee, a cigarette - in the third round ...

[kdakda]

I always wonder how two planes can meet in the air, this is not the road. God grant that everyone is alive.

[Bomb]

We practiced the maneuver.

[Avior]

which, for example?
preparing to speak at an air show?
I can’t believe it.
and others, in which you need to fly back to back somehow somehow ....

[Chichikov]

Judging by the weather conditions there, it was still not possible to travel with group flights. Let's hope!

[Fedor1]

It has long been necessary to prohibit the approximation of the minimum distance, this bravado will not bring to good

[Elephant]

It is possible to prohibit dangerous rapprochement in the order form, not everyone is massively preparing for the parade! But in addition to this, electronic assistants are needed, appropriate automation, which will avoid physical collisions.

[Same lech]

Mdaaa ... no words ... wait for the results of the investigation about the causes of the incident ... the year of the pig fully justifies itself ... another pig to our Air Force.

[Nord2015]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

.year of a pig fully justifies itself ...

Yes, really ((Either the houses explode, then the planes collide. Every day there’s some kind of cataclysm. If only it all ended. I want a peaceful and calm year.

[rotmistr60]

over the waters of the Tatar Strait between Sakhalin and the Khabarovsk Territory

Let's hope for the best. The water temperature is not resort, although a boat is provided, but time for salvation plays a huge role.

[awg75]

such an expensive and very necessary country car ruined by doogies

[Alexey-74]

The main thing is that everyone would be alive. Anything can happen in exercises ... huge speeds.

[aglet]

Quote: Alexey-74

Anything can happen in exercises ... huge speeds.

and driving, like, not blondes were sitting

[Pete mitchell]

Good luck to you guys, and PSS good luck too

[Aleksandr21]

"" On January 18, at 8.07 (Moscow time), during a planned training flight over the Sea of ​​Japan, 35 kilometers from the coast, while practicing maneuvering, two Su-34 aircraft of the Far Eastern Air Force and Air Defense Association touched in the air, "the military department said. RIA Novosti reports.

The crews of both aircraft ejected. An An-12 aircraft and two Mi-8 helicopters of the search and rescue forces are currently looking for pilots. "

PS If you believe RIA Novosti then it turns out looking for the crews of both aircraft.

[Muvka]

This is the first information. Now it has been supplemented. 1 plane safely landed.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Muvka

This is the first information. Now it has been supplemented. 1 plane safely landed.

Yes, there is information from Interfax with reference to its source, the Ministry of Defense previously announced the bailout of the crew of both aircraft, who should I believe? It seems like we have to wait for a more detailed comment from the Ministry of Defense.

[lot]

2 billion rubles.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Quote: lot

2 billion rubles.

We will pay more for the combat readiness of our aviation. The main thing is that the pilots remain alive.

[lot]

Sergei Nefyodov was convicted under Article 351 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Violation of flight rules and preparation for them."
The pilot received two years probation and must pay damage for a damaged plane on May 18, 2017 SU 27P (on the run at a speed of more than 200 km / h, the front landing gear was formed, and the plane received damage to the nose fairing, skin, air intakes, individual sensors) in the amount of 27 million rubles.
the aircraft was released in 1993.
to complete the picture.

[bober1982]

Understood, no one condemned and he is not obliged to pay anything.

[Ryazan87]

To complete the picture: Nefedov S.A. He was found guilty and convicted of violating flight rules, which entailed other serious consequences by negligence (Case No. 1-3 / 2018 (1-131 / 2017, Art. 351 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, a violation of paragraph 31 of the Federal Aviation Rules for the Operation of State Aviation Flights was revealed, clause 4.3.6. of the flight operation manual for the Su-27 aircraft. The Kaliningrad Garrison Military Court (1st instance) sentenced him to 2 years probation. This sentence was quashed by the Baltic Fleet Military Court (appeal).
The amount of 27 million rubles appeared (the amount for the repair of the aircraft, determined by the examination) to determine the severity of the consequences, and not as one of the punishment measures.

[bober1982]

Quote: Ryazanets87

Kaliningrad Garrison Military Court (1st instance)

These foolishly exposed themselves, they were so lucid and declared, well, then everything is correct - the sentence of the Baltic Fleet Military Court was canceled.

[My4there]

And as usual, all flights without bombs or rockets. What training? Fly to the points?

[Rzzz]

You can bomb virtually, the reset is fixed by the system, and then it calculates where it went. It’s cheaper and safer.

[tolmachiev51]

Someone imagines himself a "super ace" !!! It is hard to believe that the mission was a "collision". How many people die because of someone's stupidity !!!

[Avior]

what a revival comes in VO when it is reported that a Russian plane flew right next to the Americans.
and this is the other side of the coin

[Doliva63]

Quote: Avior

what a revival comes in VO when it is reported that a Russian plane flew right next to the Americans.
and this is the other side of the coin

Yes, but it’s customary to practice aerobatics in the zone, not anywhere.

[Avior]

but they were not in the zone?
from the article does not understand.
I do not quite understand what kind of aerobatics as part of combat training requires a dangerous approach of aircraft.
To annoy the air show or the Americans, I understand it is required there.
and for military use this is not necessary.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Avior

but they were not in the zone?
from the article does not understand.
I do not quite understand what kind of aerobatics as part of combat training requires a dangerous approach of aircraft.
To annoy the air show or the Americans, I understand it is required there.
and for military use this is not necessary.

Well, in general, even a long-range flight in combat conditions implies an extremely closed formation.

Both for fuel economy, and hiding a group of aircraft in the field from jammers.

By the way, this old tactic was used even on f-22, the generation of APG-77 interference between the two sides, in which the hidden group is in very close formation, and now the tactic has changed for interaction with penguins)))
To save:
Birds fly long distances in flocks, and not without reason. The air resistance behind the first flying object drops sharply: the incoming air stream flows around it from all sides, creating a zone of low pressure behind it. That is how a cyclist riding close to a car can reach speeds of up to 268,83 km / h - impossible without the help of a mechanical “leader”. In addition, a flying object with high resistance carries away adjacent layers of air, the energy of motion of which is dissipated in the atmosphere. But if another bird flies nearby, part of this energy will be spent on dragging it along with itself and reducing its energy costs for the flight. Of course, the first bird will benefit from her efforts, which is why many migratory flocks maintain such a low distance between their members.
It is believed that in a V-shaped system of 25 units, the total resistance of individuals is reduced by 65%, and the flight range increases by at least 7%.

In aviation, this is confirmed by flights both in the USA and in the USSR

Here, apparently, they trained to maintain a close formation. Maybe something else.

[Avior]

for a long range in combat conditions means an extremely closed formation.

what would cling wings?
But can you give a reference to this, and not to cyclists and birds?
at the same time, that the F-22 is used for group electronic warfare - apparently, in order to become noticeable to the enemy, otherwise you won’t see it without it ...

[Orkraider]

Quote: Avior

for a long range in combat conditions means an extremely closed formation.

what would cling wings?
But can you give a reference to this, and not to cyclists and birds?
at the same time, that the F-22 is used for group electronic warfare - apparently, in order to become noticeable to the enemy, otherwise you won’t see it without it ...

Strange
You give the impression of a competent person, why troll?
I do not believe that you have not studied works on this topic.

Here's the Bloomberg article of Boeing Vice President Michael Sinnett, in the original:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/boeing-nasa-look-to-flying-geese-in-chase-for-jet-fuel-savings

From the news about experiments in this area in Russian magazines and the Ukrainian sector:

To conduct a test flight, it was necessary to change the software of the transport aircraft C-17, which took part in the experiment. The fact is that modern pilots have long trusted computers for a part of their work, so I had to modify the programs so that the plane automatically flies in the exact position for the purposes of the experiment, and not in accordance with the accepted restrictions.

According to preliminary data, the experiment was quite successful. Fuel economy during the flight, without sacrificing safety, reached 10%.

In 2003, NASA conducted similar experiments involving the leading DS-8 transport and the F-18 wing fighter. When flying in a common bunch, the fighter saved up to 29% of fuel.

According to command spokesman Dr. Donald Erbschloe of the Air Force Research Laboratory, the experiment will be analyzed for possible use on other aircraft for various missions.

Links:

http://www.trust.ua/news/144841-boeing-pridumal-alternativnyj-sposob-ekonomii-topliva-na-dalnih-pereletah.html

http://www.facepla.net/the-news/tech-news-mnu/2867-aircraft-surfing.html

[Rostovchanin]

In 2016, I remember some exercises that I personally saw near Krymsk, two Su-34 groups of 4 sides tightly pressed together at a very low altitude. An impressive sight !!!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Rostovchanin

In 2016, I remember some exercises that I personally saw near Krymsk, two Su-34 groups of 4 sides tightly pressed together at a very low altitude. An impressive sight !!!

In the days of IBA, this was normal. Also, the speed is under 900. I remember pictures from Ladozhsky (hooligans, of course), when from the Su-17 they burunas on water, as from boats.

[Altona]

Rockets, planes, gas, ISIS, rockets with dangerous resonance. And "nobody is blameworthy," the State Department, the Russian perhaps, the "liberals", the Communist Trotskyists, and the trolls are to blame. Whom did you not list? Well, at least the crews are alive.

[tomket]

Quote: Altona

Who did not list?

They forgot the paid bots (although why pay the bots?) To Stalin, who shot everyone, Lenin, who planted the bombs, and the oprichnina, Ivan the Terrible, who killed everyone before Stalin.

[Mouse]

Quote: tomket

the clerk of Ivan the Terrible, who killed everyone before Stalin.

Malyuta Skuratov - the most famous royal oprichnik ...

[Altona]

Quote: tomket

They forgot the paid bots (although why pay the bots?) To Stalin, who shot everyone, Lenin, who planted the bombs, and the oprichnina, Ivan the Terrible, who killed everyone before Stalin.

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And then what they nominus me, did not understand the banter? From "patriotic" -sofa reasons, just in case? Or have I been put in charge of the flights? Kapets, people have logic. And these people want something else there.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Altona

Rockets, planes, gas, ISIS, rockets with dangerous resonance. And "nobody is blameworthy," the State Department, the Russian perhaps, the "liberals", the Communist Trotskyists, and the trolls are to blame. Whom did you not list? Well, at least the crews are alive.

Unfortunately, pilots in 2 crews died. There is a rumor that they died in a collision.

[Qwertyarion]

Unfortunately, accidents happen, but this is a service, the pilots worked out their tasks.
Let's hope the pilots are saved.

[gland]

2 su 34 ... this is something ....

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The main thing is that the pilots remain alive, and the lost plane during the exercises is the pay for combat readiness of the remaining pilots.

[san4es]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The main thing is that the pilots remain alive ....

... One pilot, An - 12 found - honking from the raft ... Nefig was yesterday, over two F - 15s from Okinawa to joke, some "commentators"

[Vadim237]

Now the pilots will get these grief in full, they will be forced to compensate for the damage.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Vadim237

Now the pilots will get these grief in full, they will be forced to compensate for the damage.

Well, nafig, they’ll write off, but a career as an air pilot, alas, can end, and forever, I hope this will not be the case, you never know what happened there, the planes are new ....

[Vanych]

oh well, their whole family until the 15th knee is not enough to pay this damage, it's not a car ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: Vadim237

Now the pilots will get these grief in full, they will be forced to compensate for the damage.

There was not a single pilot. And the pilots seem to have died in a collision. Damage to the families of the victims will be reimbursed by the state.

[kote119]

one of the detected pilots in the region of 20 minutes will be approached by a fishing vessel, the sea is 4 points, the gusty wind in the area, apparently, the spinner cannot pick up (TASS)

[aglet]

Quote: kote119

4 ball sea

4 points - this is not a storm, so excitement

[XXXIII]

The Ministry of Defense confirmed information about the accident of two Su-34 in the Far East. According to the Ministry of Defense, the crews of the machines practiced maneuvering during a training flight, when the touch of the cars occurred. The pilots could not calculate the safe distance between the aircraft, or technically an abnormal situation occurred, and two Su-34 encountered.

For some reason, the guys have maneuvered the damn much already, the rescuers are already on the way I hope .... The main crew, they will already find out what kind of maneuvers were there ..... For the loss of an airplane, the punishment will be the worst for air pilots, suspension from flying and maybe forever ....

The accident occurred in 35 km from the coast over the waters of the Sea of ​​Japan. The crew of one aircraft ejected, the second aircraft, presumably, returned to the base with a damaged engine.

[Graz]

this is called air hooliganism, why was it absolutely necessary to make rapprochement, for this pilots must be fired

[Vanych]

Shcha Ukrainians clap their hands will begin

[Ros 56]

Well, anything happens, the question is different, well, An-12 and Mi-8 flew to hell, they just see and point the ships. It’s not easier to include the Be-200 and Mi-14 in the rescue service, well, to the extreme Be-12, there’s an order of magnitude more sense. They will see, splash down and immediately take them on board and home. Who needs this tyagomotin in time, because there the water is not like in a bathroom.

[NN52]

While the ships will be directing, the guys in the Navy will "cool down" completely ...
Therefore, the An 12 PS (with a small boat inside the landing) and the Mi 8 with a winch ...
Everything was taught ... At the Survival Center in Agoy and Khabarovsk ...
And Be 200 or Be 12 in the water (gle pieces of ice float) just sit down, are you sure?
All four were raised, everyone is alive, everything is fine ....

[Mefodi5124]

As always, our media is ahead of the engine! Anyway we could!

[Fantazer911]

May God give them strength and survive!

[Yuriy26]

I agree, the plane, although an expensive piece of iron, which will now be tormented to get out of the water, but the main thing is that people are alive!

[aws4]

hrych (Hrych) January 9, 2019 18:58
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Departments Du and Jura, you unite and receive Dura. And do not cry, these bastards trained in bad weather against the Russians to fight. Who else can resist in snowy weather? Therefore, the terrible Borey shot down the plane ... We would sit at home and do what was supposed to, but would not threaten the Hyperboreans.
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[aws4]

hrych (Hrych) January 9, 2019 19:16
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Quote: Kuroneko
People are people.

There are no questions for people, but as an element of the enemy’s weapon ... Therefore, if they self-destruct, we have less work.

[aws4]

To stand up for enemy soldiers and without you have someone, believe me. There are French mourners. Well, you have identified yourself as an intellectual, they say educated people. And behave like a typical Russian intelligentsia, about which Lenin spoke well
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