How much "kilowatts of Chubais"?

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Anatoly Chubais, the current head of Rosnano, decided to take another public excursion into the recent past. After his almost ultimatum appeal to the general public with a proposal to express gratitude to the business. Speaking at the Gaidar Forum, he said that Russia remains one of the most wasteful countries in the world in terms of energy efficiency. And immediately, apparently, relying on his own experience not only of the privatizer, but also of an energy reformer, Chubais suggested how to deal with this problem.

In his opinion, there are two ways to do this. (And much simpler than those that he used in the large-scale “cutting” of the leading branches of the Russian economy, and only later, when reforming RAO UES of Russia, which turned into a meaningless and merciless section of domestic energy).





So, Mr. Chubais, who once, by the way, was in charge of this natural energy monopoly, proposes to begin to align energy tariffs in Russia with average ones. The average is not for the ward, it would be too much for “Dr. Chubais”, either in Europe or in the whole “civilized world”. Russia was actually quite unequivocally offered to “spit” on the experience of this “civilized world” itself (with sanctions and an unprecedented propaganda campaign). But for some reason it is still fashionable to refer to this experience among the associates of Chubais.

However, if we follow his statements precisely, our former chief power engineer is convinced that "it is worth balancing the prices of electricity in Russia, which are half the world average." At the same time, hold on to the chairs, according to him, such cheap energy in Russia is “because of the reform of electric power industry started by him (Chubais. Aut.)” And ... already as an appendage, “because of the devaluation of the ruble.” It is unlikely that anyone will argue with the latter, but it’s impossible to agree with the fact that we have really cheap energy.

After privatization, Chubais managed to do one more thing, which many considered absolutely impossible. Under the beautiful market slogans, he not only scattered the power capacities of the oligarchs, he crushed into poorly functioning and sometimes duplicating each other structures a powerful unified organization, the remnants of which still serve kilowatts far beyond the borders of Russia and even the former USSR.

How much "kilowatts of Chubais"?


In fact, the confidence of the person who did this can only be envied. Once he really promised the Russians almost universal reduction of energy tariffs ... due to the fact that there will be competition in the industry after its reform. We will not bore the reader with numbers here, noting only that energy tariffs have grown since then, and much more, both in rubles and in dollar terms. Anyone can always easily check or see their accounts for the past year and for the year 2018.

Leaving the post of head of the UES, fragmented into parts, Chubais changed the record, and he somehow forgot at once that the tariffs should have decreased. Subsequently, a retired power engineer has repeatedly said that electricity in Russia is too cheap. In his argument, it was also said that this undermines the incentive to energy efficiency, hampers the development of the manufacturing industry, especially power engineering. Also, in his estimation, already later and, we recognize, quite fair, because of the cheapness of gas, the Russian electric power industry continues “it is senseless to burn 50 − 60 billion cubic meters annually. m of blue fuel, and this is the volume of consumption of a small European country. "

Not long ago, Chubais even warned that in such conditions in Russia a massive energy crisis cannot be ruled out. Which can happen due to the fact that the growth in demand for electricity will exceed the capacity growth opportunities. But after all, professional energy specialists immediately after the reform in the industry realized that very soon it would be like this: “there is reform, but there is no current”.



However, in most cases the current is still there, no merit of the energy reform and the reformer personally, sorry, no. For many years, the state has invested hundreds of billions and even trillions of rubles in the energy sector, not paying attention to the fact that this was due to the growth of tariffs. Need forced. If the GRES and HPPs, the Moscow thermal power plants, and even more the NPPs, had risen, such consequences of the reform would not be forgiven not only by Chubais, but also by those who are taller.

As a result, we now have what we have, that is, by no means fallen, according to the promise of Chubais, then still the main power engineer of the country, but rather high tariffs. This is only in direct comparison with the tariffs of other countries, Russian kilowatts may seem cheap, in the same way, by the way, like gasoline, and a number of other energy resources. Meanwhile, Russia, with its enormous distances, with the annual need to transfer the entire economy to the winter mode of operation, with a host of other problems, is in dire need of cheap energy resources, and it is not worth it, Anatoly Borisovich, to even try to convince us otherwise.

However, today Mr. Chubais is no longer as sharply expressed as several years ago. He does not say that it is right from his words that we need to raise the price of electricity. The head of Rosnano did not forget to admit that “Russia is still a poor country, and taking it straight from the go, it’s wrong to solve the problem of raising prices. It is right to create a situation in which the rich pay more and the poor remain at the same level. ”

Bravo, Anatoly Borisovich, and I want to believe that you still understand that the lowest possible energy tariff is almost our last competitive advantage. However, no, I forgot one more thing - we still have a very, very cheap labor force. Perhaps, it is no longer as qualified as under the USSR, but still.

Yes, with the wasteful expenditure of the same electricity, coal and gas, gasoline, really, it’s time to stop. But the reason for equalizing tariffs with European ones can be only one thing: achieving the same as in Europe, and not in the East, but in the West, the standard of living, the level of wages and pensions.

But let us return to the “great liberal ideas” of the ex-privatizer and the former, thank God, energy. After it is possible to “balance” the tariffs, according to Chubais, one can proceed to the main thing - to bans. He correctly described them as “painful”, as well as tariff transformations. However, Mr. Chubais concluded his maxim about the “prohibitions” very briefly: “There are a number of decisions based on frontal prohibitions in accordance with the best international practices.” It would be very surprising if a real liberal did not refer to world experience. Where are Russia without him.



It remains to be repeated that the “father of the voucher” made all his indisputable statements just the other day - at the Gaidar Forum, the traditional gathering place of the national liberal party. For years, its representatives, like a spell, repeat complaints about the fact that they are underestimated, not allowing them to compete with pro-presidential parties.

But this is in politics, and meanwhile, it is liberal ideas and their direct vehicles that today are ruling the ball in the domestic economy. Even the main control department of the country, the Accounts Chamber, was recently headed by the “liberal of liberals” Alexei Kudrin, which, however, is better to be regarded positively. In the Chamber of Accounts, it’s necessary to consider, and not to put into practice, dubious theories and “valuable instructions” from one well-known “regional committee”.

A very traditional set of liberal ideas was presented at the next Gaidar Forum, but even against this background, the head of Rosnano, as we see, managed to stand out. It is understandable why Chubais chose to speak out on the case among his own. Indeed, in other circles, as the author wrote, many will not even listen to him, and they prefer to hear about him as little as possible. But it is clear that the time has come to save the very “great liberal idea”. Especially since the “great liberal” himself, it seems, seriously believes that his advice can be not only taken into consideration, but really used in action.

Now, according to his estimates, the problem of low energy efficiency of our economy is hampered by the fact that the remaining production cannot be modernized, and all new enterprises are either screwdriver production plants or factories, which for some reason very often almost immediately lose in comparison with Chinese or European competitors.

The last Mr. Chubais should know at least from his own experience of being the head of the company that manages nanotechnologies, the management company Rosnano, which only recently was forced to write off several dozen projects as unprofitable. Chubais is also convinced that it is not bad management that is to blame for everything, although could one really have expected a different assessment from the manager, who introduced the very concept of “effective managers”?

It is only the state that is to blame for everything, that is, the leadership of the country. Why? Yes, because who, if not the government, should consider himself guilty of the fact that in Russia there is still a “bad economic dynamics”, and there is also a place for poverty, which has covered almost half of the population? However, in general, it is strange that Mr. Chubais nods to the government with such blatant discontent, because almost the entire economic bloc is there - his colleagues and almost all his colleagues.
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  1. +1
    18 January 2019 05: 44
    Well, that's the end of the world. wassat
    1. +6
      18 January 2019 06: 04
      Quote: Herrr
      Well, that's the end of the world. wassat

      The end is not the end, but the price will be raised not by 3-5%, but by 10-20%. Do not go to a fortuneteller.
      1. +29
        18 January 2019 06: 53
        The ice began to break gentlemen. I remember the pension reform with the same stuffing started from people not in the government like Kudrin and Gref, we all know how the story ended there ...
        1. +5
          18 January 2019 12: 33
          The third article about the "exploits" of the red-haired beast in a week!
          The people in VO have already consumed all the poison! lol
        2. +8
          18 January 2019 13: 12
          Quote: Mussashi
          we all know how the story ended there ...

          From jokes from I.I. Nikitchuk:
          - The tasks set in your May decree, Vladimir Vladimirovich, require a lot of money, where can we get it?
          - Let's increase the retirement age and VAT!
          - Good. But money is still not enough, and the people are grumbling. Maybe, well, his ... this decree?
          - Tempting speeches, Dmitry Anatolyevich ... look for money!
          - Then let's introduce a progressive tax on oligarchs.
          - And you are right, well, his ..., this decree! ..

          - Prices are rising. Payment for community services is growing. Taxes are rising. The dollar is growing. Retirement age is growing. The amount of stolen money is growing. The wealth of the oligarchs is growing. Putin's term of office is growing. Where do you see the recession, whiners ?!

          Nevertheless, what talented people Putin met in life! Whoever you look at from his friends is all such successful businessmen and entrepreneurs.

          Summit. There is Trump surrounded by bodyguards. There is Merkel surrounded by bodyguards. There is Putin surrounded by future governors.

          - Vladimir Vladimirovich, the salary is small, the grub is getting more expensive, how to live?
          - Be patient, now it’s hard for everyone, so I talked yesterday with the oligarchs, you know how much supercars are now, and how many castles in Europe cost ... People have such problems!

          “And what, father, are the gunners in your city?”
          - To whom and Putin an artilleryman.

          Chubais complained about the ungrateful people. The people would be happy to thank him, but the Russian Guard is in the way.

          The only thing that seriously threatens the country in Russia is its own state.
      2. +16
        18 January 2019 14: 14
        There are many lovers of neighing over Ukraine. They all forget that the one who laughs last laughs well.
        I remember how on the website we were vomiting over raising the retirement age in Ukraine.
        Then everyone was kidding about utility bills.
        It’s time to move on to gas prices. Here Miller will make a statement that gas in Russia is the most inefficient ...
    2. +5
      18 January 2019 08: 31
      Quote: Herrr

      Well, that's the end of the world.

      and let's lay out our electricity bills ...... what would be the idea in which regions how much ....
      1. +2
        18 January 2019 09: 06
        Our rates are here:
        http://www.kuzesc.ru/?pgr=1
        1. +4
          18 January 2019 09: 28
          We in Altai are one ruble more expensive.
          1. 0
            18 January 2019 19: 32
            Nizhny Novgorod
      2. +15
        18 January 2019 10: 32
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        Quote: Herrr

        Well, that's the end of the world.

        and let's lay out our electricity bills ...... what would be the idea in which regions how much ....

        I don’t know in which regions how much anyway, in the North they pay more than in the South, but if you return to the USSR it was like that .......
        Moreover, tariffs, "klyat commies" have not changed for years.
        1. 0
          22 January 2019 12: 54
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          Quote: Herrr

          Well, that's the end of the world.

          and let's lay out our electricity bills ...... what would be the idea in which regions how much ....

          I don’t know in which regions how much anyway, in the North they pay more than in the South, but if you return to the USSR it was like that .......
          Moreover, tariffs, "klyat commies" have not changed for years.

          21 ruble!!!those belay money !!!!! from 120rub s / n !!
          I’m embarrassed to assume that if you count on the current ones, it may turn out that now less we pay. I pay 3800 per month for odnushka (38sq.m.)
          21rub / 10 cop loaf of bread = 210 loaf
          210 * 27rub per loaf =5670
          about the same thing happens when converted to sausage / butter
          vodka is cheaper
          I don’t remember the rest of the prices
          1. 0
            22 January 2019 13: 15
            Quote: your1970
            21 ruble !!! with that money !!!!! from 120rub s / n !!

            And what year are you writing about?
            1. 0
              22 January 2019 14: 16
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: your1970
              21 ruble !!! with that money !!!!! from 120rub s / n !!

              And what year are you writing about?
              Judging by receipt "01.12.1985.".....
              we then had a loaf of bread (brick) cost 10 kopecks, there were still the same bricks - saiki, those 16 kopecks cost
              Z.Y. and about receipts - not to me
              1. 0
                22 January 2019 14: 58
                Quote: your1970
                judging by the receipt "01.12.1985."

                And if you take it, and just calculate the percentage of the salary? The average salary is 200 rubles in 1985. Those. rent - 10,5% of the average salary. For kopeck piece. We are for odnushka (36 meters, a column for mountain water), for four in the middle of 80 we paid a little more than 13 rubles, and this is almost half as much. For bread. In our city, a brick cost 16-18 kopecks. It was not cheaper.
          2. 0
            27 January 2019 16: 45
            !!!. what are you "fool" include! You are written in white on black-the total income of the family with this payment-400 rubles. !!! and again .. you break-the bread was 16 k-gray. and 20 k-white and rye. FROM KUDA. YOU TAKE SUCH !!!!
            1. 0
              28 January 2019 09: 20
              Quote: Seeker
              OTKUDA. YOU TAKE THESE !!!!
              -and you?
              Quote: your1970
              we then had a loaf of bread (brick) cost 10 kopecks, there were still the same bricks - saiki, those 16 kopecks cost
              - specially painted what bread was AT US AND HOW MUCH HE WAS
              You yourself will find in the newspapers / Crocodile feuilleton and articles for the beginning of 80- about what fed fed cattle with bread, because it turned out to be cheaper - with what grain is written out?
              Quote: Seeker
              You have written in black and white, the total income of the family with this payment, 400 p. !!!
              WHITE ON BLACK is written NOT on receipt (!!!!!) in the picture. How many there really the person is a sting and what s / n the total was-UNKNOWN.
              It may well be that there lived dad-mom with 3 minor children-also 5 people- only here s / n in TWO times less than the type declared
      3. +3
        18 January 2019 10: 32
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        and let's lay out our electricity bills ...... what would be the idea in which regions how much ....

        For God's sake! Kostroma:
        1. +2
          18 January 2019 15: 03
          You get, if I'm not mistaken, 6,4 cents per kWh. In Ukraine, 3,0 cents for the first 100 and 6,0 for the next, regardless of region.
      4. 0
        18 January 2019 18: 21
        In the Bryansk region
        Indicator (groups of consumers with a breakdown of the tariff by rates and differentiation by day zones) RUB/kWh
        1st half 2nd half
        1. Population, with the exception of those specified in paragraphs 2 and 3 (tariffs are indicated in rubles including VAT) *
        1.1 Single rate 3,6
        1.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 4,14
        Night zone 2,16
        1.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 4,32
        Semi-peak zone 3,6
        Night zone 2,16
        2. The population living in urban areas in houses equipped in the prescribed manner with stationary electric stoves and (or) electric heating installations, and equivalent to them (tariffs are indicated in rubles including VAT) **
        2.1 Single rate 2,52
        2.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 2,9
        Night zone 1,51
        2.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,02
        Semi-peak zone 2,52
        Night zone 1,51
        3. Population living in rural settlements and equated to them (tariffs are indicated including VAT) ***
        3.1 Single rate 2,52
        3.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 2,9
        Night zone 1,51
        3.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,02
        Semi-peak zone 2,52
        Night zone 1,51
        4.1 Consumers equated to the population (tariffs are indicated in rubles, including VAT): Horticultural, vegetable garden or country non-profit associations of citizens - non-profit organizations established by citizens on a voluntary basis to assist its members in solving the general socio-economic problems of gardening, gardening and gardening Guaranteed suppliers, energy supply companies, energy supply organizations purchasing electric energy (power) for the purpose of further sale to the categories of consumers equivalent to the population specified in this clause 2.
        4.1.1 Single rate 3,06
        4.1.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,52
        Night zone 1,84
        4.1.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,67
        Semi-peak zone 3,06
        Night zone 1,84
        4.2 Consumers equated to the population (tariffs are indicated in rubles including VAT): Legal entities that purchase electric energy (power) for consumption by convicts in premises for their maintenance, provided that there is a separate metering of electric energy for these premises. Guaranteed suppliers, energy sales, energy supplying organizations purchasing electric energy (power) for the purpose of further sale to the categories of consumers equivalent to the population specified in this clause 2.
        4.2.1 Single rate 3,06
        4.2.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,52
        Night zone 1,84
        4.2.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,67
        Semi-peak zone 3,06
        Night zone 1,84
        4.3 Consumers equated to the population (tariffs are indicated in rubles including VAT): Religious organizations supported by parishioners. Guaranteed suppliers, energy supply, energy supply organizations that purchase electric energy (capacity) for the purpose of further sale to the categories of consumers equivalent to the population specified in this paragraph 2.
        4.3.1 Single rate 3,06
        4.3.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,52
        Night zone 1,84
        4.3.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,67
        Semi-peak zone 3,06
        Night zone 1,84
        4.4 Consumers equated to the population (tariffs are indicated in rubles including VAT): Associations of citizens who purchase electric energy (power) for use in their household buildings (cellars, sheds). Non-profit associations of citizens (garage-building, garage cooperatives) and Citizens owning separate garages, purchasing electric energy (power) for consumption for domestic purposes and not used for commercial activities. Guaranteeing suppliers, energy supply companies, energy supplying organizations purchasing electric energy (power) for the purpose of further sale equated to the population consumer categories specified in this clause 2.
        4.4.1 Single rate 3,06
        4.4.2 Tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,52
        Night zone 1,84
        4.4.3 Tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone 3,67
        Semi-peak zone 3,06
        Night zone 1,84
      5. 0
        20 January 2019 14: 19
        In Krasnoyarsk, the norm is 2,58 excess norms 4,14
        One-rate tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day *
        Daily zone (peak and semi-peak) rub/kWh norm 2,97 excess 4,76
        Night zone rub/kW*h norm 1,55 excess 2,48
        Single-rate tariff, differentiated by three zones of the day* (similar to the norm and above the norm)
        Peak zone rub / kWh 3,10 and 4,97
        Semi-peak zone rub/kW*h 2,58 and 4,14
        Night zone RUB/kW*h 1,55 and 2,48
        The population living in urban areas in houses equipped in the prescribed manner with stationary electric stoves and (or) electric heating installations
        Single rate tariff RUB/kW*h 1,81 and 2,90
        2.2. Single-rate tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
        Daily zone (peak and semi-peak) RUB/kWh 2,08 and 3,33
        Night zone RUB/kW*h 1,09 and 1,74
        2.3. One-rate tariff tariff differentiated by three zones of the day
        Peak zone rub / kWh 2,17 and 3,48
        Semi-peak zone rub/kW*h 1,81 and 2,90
        Night zone RUB/kW*h 1,09 and 1,74
        it’s cheaper for us, because hes. But we pay for such socialism with our health, because it’s cheaper to live, and the environment is worse (TPPs and the Aluminum Plant do their job)
  2. +6
    18 January 2019 05: 46
    If heat is supplied through wires rather than pipes, then the infrastructure will be cheaper.
    Imagine that connecting a house to the benefits of civilization requires only cold water, electricity and fiber. Yes, I forgot about the sewers.
    But how much can you save on heating and hot water? And how many atmospheric polluting cauldrons can be reduced?
    It seems to me that Chub will come to this, only with expensive electricity
    1. +15
      18 January 2019 05: 50
      Chubais shows the wrong finger to the people ...
      1. +5
        18 January 2019 11: 16
        Quote: Aerodrome

        Chubais shows the wrong finger to the people ...

        But already close to that. The degree of impudence of Chubais is growing and soon there will be one.
    2. +5
      18 January 2019 06: 48
      Quote: Login_Off
      But how much can you save on heating and hot water?

      The question is as interesting as the wide angle of its coverage. Imagine what happened. Only for heating a 2-room apartment may be required (depending on the outdoor temperature) from 2000 to 4000 kW / h per month. Plus hot water + consumption of electrical appliances = about 6000-7000 kW / hour per month. Here, either the cost of kW / hour of electricity should cost 20-30 kopecks, or the salaries of tenants to increase by an order of magnitude.
      In addition, the load on electrical installations (overhead lines, cable lines, transformer substations) will increase sharply.
      But in general, the option is attractive due to the low cost of electricity and carries many positive things, such as the lack of heating mains and the obligation to repair them with the replacement of worn pipes ... millions of tons of metal, millions of wasted man / hours.
      But in our case, the way out, as in a joke:
      - What is there to think? Jump and shake! wassat
      1. 0
        21 January 2019 18: 24
        Don’t tell me about the cost, I have my own house and several times 2 rooms and more than one floor, and I live not in Krasnodar but in the Far East, while the heating is electric.
        More expensive than gas, but much cheaper than the central one (the ability to connect power lines, just 100 m to stretch). But the gas will not NEVER, that's for sure.
    3. +7
      18 January 2019 08: 29
      Quote: Login_Off
      It seems to me that Chub will come to this, only with expensive electricity

      His initial message is clearly correct. Our energy is inefficient
      Well, then it starts ...
      In general, by and large, government investments in energy efficiency are much more profitable than US government debt. Reinforced concrete fact. And the "equalization" (read, rise in price) of the cost of energy, on the contrary, in the long run will definitely lead to sensitive losses. After all, this is not Newton's binomial, the first will reduce the cost of goods produced in Russia, the second will increase. With all the consequences
      1. +6
        18 January 2019 10: 45
        Quote: Spade
        Our energy is inefficient

        Where is it ineffective? And what is meant by "efficiency"?
        Evidence in the studio.
        1. 0
          18 January 2019 11: 25
          Quote: iConst
          Where is it ineffective? And what is meant by "efficiency"?
          Evidence in the studio.

          ??
          Go outside.
          Look at the melted snow over the heating mains. This is a prime example of inefficient energy.
          Look at the incandescent lamps in the hallways. This is a prime example of inefficient energy.
          Look at the windows open in winter. This is a prime example of inefficient energy.
          You can go on for a very long time ...
          1. +6
            18 January 2019 12: 12
            Quote: Spade
            Go outside.
            Look at the melted snow over the heating mains. This is a prime example of inefficient energy.
            Look at the incandescent lamps in the hallways. This is a prime example of inefficient energy.
            Look at the windows open in winter. This is a prime example of inefficient energy.
            You can go on for a very long time ...

            But I didn’t catch the connection between the increase in tariffs, in particular, for electricity and the worn-out infrastructure of heating mains.

            You are not surprised by the fact that for almost 20 years (to hell with it - let's start from the beginning of the 3s), our economic growth did not exceed 1 percent, and on average 1,5-6. And in India, as early as a dozen years, XNUMX% - like in China.
            And with such opportunities for energy resources, we are called to tariffs as "theirs". Doesn't it feel like a rotten liberal smell? Not?

            If they raise tariffs - what will incandescent lamps immediately disappear? So I oh, really doubt it.
            There will be the following - a kitchen bucket, but no one will do anything. Even during the day the lights on the landing will not turn off. I took it in my HBC.
            There are also open windows.

            But the answer is something else - in Russia there is no patriotic power - neither executive nor legislative. These structures primarily serve the liberal oligarchic monopolies. But a monopoly a priori cannot be effective. It can only shift the ever-increasing costs to the end user.
            Which we are observing.

            So, talking about the inefficiency of one or another is a departure from the issue of inefficiency of the management system as a whole.

            Your examples are not evidence of the inefficiency of Russian energy. This is just a statement of fact.
            1. -2
              18 January 2019 12: 23
              Quote: iConst
              But I didn’t catch the connection between the increase in tariffs, in particular, for electricity and the worn-out infrastructure of heating mains.

              I didn’t catch it, why did you decide that the requirements of Chubais to increase prices indicate the effectiveness of our energy industry.

              Quote: iConst
              If they raise tariffs - what will incandescent lamps immediately disappear? So I oh, really doubt it.

              Yes, they will disappear. I witnessed this. At the entrance of the parents
              One fine day they were tired of paying, and they replaced incandescent lamps with fluorescent lamps plus LEDs on the ground floor that turn on from the motion sensor.

              I am not saying that this is the only way to act. For example, they definitely won’t have money for temperature controllers for each battery at home, just don’t raise the board.
              However, words cannot be ejected from this song.
              The tariff increase is really one of energy efficiency methods
              1. +5
                18 January 2019 12: 44
                Quote: Spade
                Raising tariffs is indeed one of the methods to improve energy efficiency

                In this case, raising food prices is one of the methods to increase the efficiency (culture, quality) of the population’s nutrition.

                I will say that I was a witness when, without any increase in tariffs, the previous chairman switched the lighting to the sensors and put energy-saving lamps and personally went to the heating center and turned the heating valves depending on frost / thaw, which significantly saved me. But another came - and everything returned to normal. The sensors evaporated somewhere, the bulbs were either burned out or spread out.

                But you didn’t hear me - when they offer to increase efficiency by compensating by tearing off the extra skin from the end user, this suggests that nobody will do anything. Read about monopolies.

                But our polemic is meaningless, since you did not define the concept of "efficiency" for the Russian energy sector.

                Or do you think that efficiency is concentrated only in inefficiently burning light bulbs in the hallways?
                1. +2
                  18 January 2019 12: 49
                  Quote: iConst
                  Or do you think that efficiency is concentrated only in inefficiently burning light bulbs in the hallways?

                  Oh, you yourself realize that you are very, very cunning ... Bulbs are like that, minuscule. Just immediately noticeable. Production is where the breakthrough of energy goes. How many times has the repaired and still working press been eating more than the modern one?
                  1. +3
                    18 January 2019 13: 00
                    Quote: Spade
                    Oh, you yourself realize that you are very, very cunning ... Bulbs are like that, minuscule. Just immediately noticeable. Production is where the breakthrough of energy goes. How many times has the repaired and still working press been eating more than the modern one?

                    I’m not cunning. From the very beginning, I suggested defining effectiveness. And you are talking about Soviet-era heating and light bulbs.
                    But outdated equipment - is it a problem of energy efficiency? Maybe this is someone else's problem?

                    I think you yourself come to understand the lack of connection between the increase in tariffs for the user and the problems of the industry.

                    Then let him talk about raising tariffs for production, although it still falls on the end consumer.

                    Once again - the original energy monopolized. Monopoly is an extremely inefficient structure with a tendency to increase this inefficiency.
                    1. +2
                      18 January 2019 13: 07
                      Quote: iConst
                      But outdated equipment - is it a problem of energy efficiency? Maybe this is someone else's problem?

                      While energy resources are cheap, this is not a problem for manufacturers, it is more profitable for them to pay a little more than to engage in costly re-equipment.

                      Quote: iConst
                      Once again, the original energy resources are monopolized. Monopoly is an extremely inefficient structure with a tendency to increase this inefficiency.

                      Somewhere I have already heard this ... Ah, from Chubais. When he RAO EU to pieces derbanit. 8))) These are his slogans. About "a monopoly that is ineffective"
                      1. +3
                        18 January 2019 13: 43
                        Quote: Spade
                        Somewhere I have already heard this ... Ah, from Chubais. When he RAO EU to pieces derbanit. 8))) These are his slogans. About "a monopoly that is ineffective"

                        Sincerely laughed.
                        And he had to say - "it is necessary to rip apart the established structure so that it is more convenient to put shoes on the population, plus attach all his people and develop such schemes that the devil himself will break his leg if he suddenly starts checking where the tariffs for energy resources come from ...".
                        It is somehow naive to believe what people say of such a spill. Not?

                        Ext .: And the monopoly has not disappeared anywhere - there are only a lot of gaskets. That's all.

                        Last argument: look where the IMF is bending down our yellow-blakie non-brothers.

                        Well, now it becomes clear whose interests our "innovator" represents? :)
                  2. +1
                    20 January 2019 01: 27
                    Production is where the breakthrough of energy goes.

                    How much can you not understand! We are talking about the efficiency (power) of energy, and you are talking about heating mains, now about energy efficiency economics in general. These are generally different things!
                    We accept that energy prices provide reproduction (cap. Investments) and profit. This can always be comprehended by a banal increase in prices.
                    The efficiency of energy can only be assessed in comparison with a similar, say, Canadian or American, where oil and gas are also available, but there is no "green" regulation .. If, even taking into account the difference in the price of labor, Russian prices are lower, then energy is more efficient! I don’t know, here is an old map with prices for 2012.

                    Here are such "world" prices within individual states)) Note that prices are higher in richer states ...
                    And tales about energy-efficient production is not for energy, wasteful economics only make it more efficient (large market))
                    ... still working press eats more than modern

                    And so what? Increase Gobal Warming? Seems to be confusing efficiency with "greenness"))
                    If the effect. Energy secures prices at which total. the cost of old equipment is lower than new (taking into account the investment), what is the problem? On the contrary, low ate. price is a competitive advantage.
                    And if you want to hit prices on (off-road))) sloppiness, then you can, but no matter how (the) fight against drunkenness does not work, increase the price of vodka (.... hawthorn ((
            2. +2
              18 January 2019 12: 30
              Moreover, sometimes it happens and vice versa - raising tariffs can reduce energy efficiency. This applies to the resource distribution offices themselves. Amid high tariffs for consumers, it is much easier for them to write off their jambs. For example, the aforementioned heating mains with filthy insulation
              1. 0
                18 January 2019 12: 46
                Quote: Spade
                Moreover, sometimes it happens and vice versa - raising tariffs can reduce energy efficiency. This applies to the resource distribution offices themselves. Amid high tariffs for consumers, it is much easier for them to write off their jambs. For example, the aforementioned heating mains with filthy insulation

                Phew! Well, finally you start to look wider. Do not stop... :)
                1. +1
                  18 January 2019 12: 51
                  Quote: iConst
                  Well, finally you start to look wider. Do not stop... :)

                  Do you propose to narrow my vision, on the contrary, by eliminating high tariffs from possible methods of increasing efficiency?
                  1. -1
                    18 January 2019 13: 20
                    Quote: Spade
                    Do you propose to narrow my vision, on the contrary, by eliminating high tariffs from possible methods of increasing efficiency?

                    This method is from the Gaidar training manual (State Department). This is tantamount to a firm trying to stay in the market by resorting to dumping ...

                    Before solving a problem, it needs to be identified. What is the problem of Russian energy?

                    There is a classic puzzle about how to remove water from the basement of an apartment building.
                    There are several solutions:
                    1. Call the pumping room and drain the basement.
                    2. Change the current pipes.
                    3. Seal the foundation.

                    Which one is right? :)
                  2. +2
                    18 January 2019 13: 24
                    Quote: Spade
                    eliminating high tariffs from possible methods of increasing efficiency

                    The effectiveness of what? What is the problem?

                    You demonstrate the classic Russian managerial approach - the monopoly did not have enough money. So you need to raise prices.

                    I have been asking the question for the umpteenth time - is there a problem?
              2. 0
                20 January 2019 01: 37
                sometimes it happens and vice versa - raising tariffs can reduce energy efficiency ... by the resource distribution offices themselves

                Abs. true, just not "sometimes" but "always" - when talking about a monopole. Although in the energy sector the market is not yet completely tested news even for Europe.
          2. 0
            21 January 2019 18: 29
            Damn, at my place for the year accumulated about 15 LED lamps of different manufacturers, each is not cheaper than 180 rubles! I then disassemble them and make luminaires. Sorry, but so far the technology has not grown to the point that it is being drawn in under the guise of DESEV!
            1. 0
              22 January 2019 13: 03
              Parents at home for 4 of the year 2 burned out - of 32 pieces.
              Moreover, incandescent bulbs changed almost weekly for 5-10 pieces ....
        2. +1
          21 January 2019 16: 25
          Efficient energy is when such a super-efficient guru from economics can once again blurt out at a corporate party - "we have a lot of money."
    4. +3
      18 January 2019 09: 00
      Boiler houses to reduce and build a thermal power plant to generate electricity?

      Now at the CHPP "free" heat remaining from the generation of electricity goes to heating houses and hot water. We'll have to dispose of it somewhere.
      1. 0
        21 January 2019 18: 33
        But besides smoking thermal power plants, there is no other alternative?
        That is, we can pump gas and oil through pipes to Europe and China, but build a network of nuclear power plants in "remote" places and transport it along the wires is this from the realm of fantasy? Or do we have little territory as in Luxembourg?
  3. +18
    18 January 2019 05: 52
    Recently, our MS-21 suffered due to sanctions by the Japanese ... direct fault in this Chubais ... this bad man plans to plant another big pig for us with the help of the Medvedev government.
    And why did the head of Russia Putin not call Chubais to the "carpet" with the question: "Why are there no materials for the MS-21?" Is it really simpler and easier for our president to raise the retirement age for an entire nation than to press “the most effective manager of Russia” against the wall?

    https://labuda.blog/179105
    1. +12
      18 January 2019 05: 59
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      why the head of Russia Putin did not call Chubais to the "carpet" with the question: "Why are there no materials for the MS-21?"

      Because the subordinate cannot ask such questions to the boss.
      1. +6
        18 January 2019 06: 08
        what But what can connect Chubais with Putin so tightly?
        1. +18
          18 January 2019 06: 25
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          But what can connect Chubais with Putin so tightly?

          Joint affairs in the department of Sobchak ... Yes
          1. +3
            18 January 2019 12: 34
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            But what can connect Chubais with Putin so tightly?

            Joint affairs in the department of Sobchak ... Yes

            Best of all, in such cases, associates a folder with compromising evidence. When VVP only came into power, Chubais was already busy there. And Chubais can be considered anyone, but not a fool (like other oligarchs who agreed to transfer power to EBN specifically to VVP), who, like a true gentleman, will take the word of another gentleman Putin (they still know the value of his words). Therefore, as a figure who suits and maintains the existing balance of interests and is bound by "friendly relations and honest word", Putin will be kept until the last opportunity. Until the natural course of life snatches this (GDP) ardent defender of "state" interests from their ranks, or until a worthy replacement is found. Also a gentleman and master of his word, however, having reinforced the power of this word with the same folder of compromising evidence.
        2. +6
          18 January 2019 06: 36
          The answer to your question lies in your pocket ... you just have to get it ... And specifically ... what connects people ... friendship .. closeness of mentality .. joint business .. well and of course, ..
        3. +2
          18 January 2019 08: 46
          But what can connect Chubais with Putin so tightly?

          There is a version that when the legislative assembly ran, for some reason, on Putin. It was Chubais who transferred him to Moscow to the office of the President.
    2. +2
      18 January 2019 11: 41
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Recently, our MS-21 suffered due to sanctions by the Japanese ... direct fault in this Chubais ...

      Actually, no, Chubais just fussed.
      And you need to ask from the developers of the aircraft. Why Russian composites are suitable for Italian aircraft manufacturers, but not ours
  4. +11
    18 January 2019 06: 08
    To the bastard’s wall.
    1. +4
      18 January 2019 08: 23
      Now they’ll call you Antesemite)))))
    2. +4
      18 January 2019 08: 48
      To the bastard’s wall.

      Shoot, don’t shoot, there’s no sense, only spend ammo. They’ll deliver the exact same thing. Do you think Chubais himself, without the approval and the go-ahead of the Kremlin, betrays this.
  5. +13
    18 January 2019 06: 09
    Iron logic, to raise prices for electricity and the production of goods and services will become cheaper ... It seems that Chubais is lobbying for the interests of the owners of candle factories ..
    1. +8
      18 January 2019 06: 32
      Perhaps you are right ... the simplest reason ... lobbying for the interests of the capitalists.
      1. +15
        18 January 2019 06: 35
        But for some reason, the German capitalists want cheap Russian gas, not expensive American .. They don’t want to work on Chubais ...
        1. +2
          18 January 2019 06: 38
          Here the volumes and the market are completely different.
          It is bad that Russia is selling its natural resources in gigantic volumes abroad.
          Chubais in this game is a secondary person ... on our people they let him have fun ... time after time he climbs out and freezes the next news without realizing that then they will throw all the dogs on him.
          1. +7
            18 January 2019 07: 07
            And how to reduce the cost of electricity production ...?
            1. +5
              18 January 2019 07: 15
              And how to reduce the cost of electricity production ...?

              And what is the benefit to this capitalist?
              Why would he arrange for the overproduction of electricity?
            2. +9
              18 January 2019 07: 31
              Quote: parusnik
              And how to reduce the cost of electricity production ...?

              why is everything more expensive? from which hangover? Prices literally creep up everything without stopping, will there ever be a limit? why shoes for a 2 year old grandson cost as much as mine? chicken eggs, from which fright doubled in three months? did the hens think so? and so on ... for me, this is genocide, quiet genocide.
              1. 0
                18 January 2019 08: 10
                Quote: Aerodrome
                why shoes for a 2 year old grandson cost as much as mine?

                it was always a children's assortment and was more expensive during the union, but the state subsidized it, therefore the people did not see it
                Quote: Aerodrome
                chicken eggs, from which fright doubled in three months?

                you want the truth, we have significantly underestimated CX products, at least at purchase prices
                1. +6
                  18 January 2019 08: 24
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  you want the truth, we have significantly underestimated CX products, at least at purchase prices

                  household incomes are greatly overvalued.
                  1. +4
                    18 January 2019 08: 26
                    Quote: Aerodrome
                    household incomes are greatly overvalued.

                    no, just reaching too polar, office plankton, oak managers, pop stars get not earned money, they start to litter them as a result, prices rise

                    p / s / to the subsidies of certain groups of goods this has no relation whatsoever, there are goods that need to be subsidized
                    1. +2
                      18 January 2019 08: 54
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Quote: Aerodrome
                      household incomes are greatly overvalued.

                      no, just reaching too polar, office plankton, oak managers, pop stars get not earned money, they start to litter them as a result, prices rise

                      p / s / to the subsidies of certain groups of goods this has no relation whatsoever, there are goods that need to be subsidized

                      you can’t argue here.
      2. +7
        18 January 2019 06: 43
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        .the simplest reason ... lobbying for the interests of the capitalists.

        Just one of the conditions of the WTO - domestic energy prices in the Russian Federation should be world average. Zeroing duties on oil - from the same clowning.
        1. +10
          18 January 2019 06: 49
          Did you strive for the WTO? ... We stock up on candles ... We support the domestic producer ...
        2. +4
          18 January 2019 07: 56
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Just one of the conditions of the WTO - domestic energy prices in the Russian Federation should be world average

          Nobody should know about this, you’ll ruin the whole tale!
    2. +4
      18 January 2019 07: 52
      Quote: parusnik
      Iron logic, to raise prices for electricity and the production of goods and services will become cheaper ... It seems that Chubais is lobbying for the interests of the owners of candle factories ..

      They gave an order to come up with a rationale for raising electricity tariffs, but the performers with this problem came out that they would not say all the complete nonsense obtained.
      But the truth cannot be said, it will be completely ugly ...
  6. +19
    18 January 2019 06: 12
    Why do we sell kW / h to China for 1rub 20kop.? Because we have no where to put the electricity! Available capacities are loaded at 50%. And tariffs are raised, because intermediaries want to live well. Everything is privatized here!
    1. -2
      18 January 2019 08: 11
      Quote: steel maker
      Why do we sell kW / h to China for 1rub 20kop.?

      funny, then 50 cents now for twenty rubles, in fact, 3,5
  7. +5
    18 January 2019 06: 23
    ... it is strange that Mr. Chubais with such frank discontent nods to the government, because almost the entire economic block is there - it's his colleagues and almost allies.

    It is not strange that someone Chubais nods to someone in the government, it is surprising that the Russian people, squeezed, crushed by beggarly wages, taxes and requisitions, so slowly leave Yeltsin-Putin’s suspended animation.
    It is hard to repeat, but you have to remember the words of N.M. Karamzin:
    "Every nation has the power it deserves"
  8. +3
    18 January 2019 06: 30
    Chewbacca is overwhelmed!
    1. +3
      18 January 2019 06: 54
      And it has grown over like little teeth for a long time ... poor thing. smile
  9. +9
    18 January 2019 06: 31
    In Russia, the CIS is the most expensive electric energy, and if you call the price in Iran, some supporters of the great leader will go to wear yellow vests.
    1. +6
      18 January 2019 07: 19
      The price of gas and gasoline at the Persians is also several times less than ours.
      Although we pump more oil and gas per capita
  10. +10
    18 January 2019 06: 42
    when this miscarriage dies already unbearable
  11. +13
    18 January 2019 06: 45
    he can't wait to cut the country's "ineffective" population ...

    1. +4
      18 January 2019 06: 55
      When will he be cut?
      1. +7
        18 January 2019 07: 00
        hope dies last.. :)

      2. +2
        18 January 2019 07: 24
        Under the current government? am legs forward! When already?!?!
  12. +10
    18 January 2019 06: 56
    Chubais's suggestions are funny, but not funny. Another scam, they really want to throw us. There is no more stupidity than the world average prices, there are no world average prices - there is a banking scam in which he wants to participate - cut the dough. The Russian authorities, for all their ambiguity, did not fall for the "green energy" - the oligarchs did not give it. A crisis is coming ..., the industry will not consume energy, payments will be transferred to the population, some of the capacities will be mothballed, the oligarchs are getting rid of industrial assets, this is how the 2008 crisis began, small and medium-sized enterprises will fly out first, only the extraction of raw materials will remain afloat, and even then not all ... Chubais is really a gray cardinal ...,
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      1. +2
        18 January 2019 08: 15
        a trip to warm countries with English electricity prices is more profitable than paying heating bills, and this is not a joke
        1. +3
          18 January 2019 08: 17
          Quote: wooja
          a trip to warm countries with English electricity prices is more profitable than paying heating bills, and this is not a joke

          ------------------
          Does it somehow bind to our realities?
          1. +1
            18 January 2019 08: 22
            at prices, but not on the possibilities of traveling to warm countries
            1. +6
              18 January 2019 08: 25
              Quote: wooja
              at prices, but not on the possibilities of traveling to warm countries

              -------------------------
              This does not apply to us in any way, and Chubais is definitely on the count.
              1. +2
                18 January 2019 08: 28
                when the bills will grow at times, when the seams work, it really applies, about the stake-- I agree, but the call is not feasible --- democracy
                1. +4
                  18 January 2019 08: 29
                  Quote: wooja
                  when the bills will grow at times, when the seams work, it really applies, about the stake-- I agree, but the call is not feasible --- democracy

                  ----------------------------
                  So I say that everything should be exactly the opposite.
                  1. +4
                    18 January 2019 08: 33
                    30 years in power ... who will touch the beholder, Chubais is the real president of Russia,
        2. +1
          18 January 2019 09: 03
          Quote: wooja
          a trip to warm countries with English electricity prices is more profitable than paying heating bills, and this is not a joke

          In the metropolis, prices and tariffs should be expensive, but salaries are appropriate. It should all be penny in the colonies: both prices and salaries, so that the sahib from the metropolis in the colonies would feel like a master of life.
      2. +2
        18 January 2019 08: 58
        Quote: Altona
        In England, many people die from saving heat in homes, freezing.

        Yeah, when in England it snows in winter and the temperature drops below zero, they cancel classes at schools and almost announce emergencies, because the cars are not shod with winter tires, and the load on the electricity network increases due to increased electricity consumption. It’s the same as when in Moscow the temperature drops to -30 and below, and there is a sharp jump in electricity consumption, and the networks may not withstand it.
  14. +5
    18 January 2019 07: 08
    Redhead again in the morning!?! Why are you so cruel with us ???
  15. +9
    18 January 2019 07: 20
    Nonsense aimed at consolidating Russia's economic lag. For a breakthrough in the economy, it is necessary to look for a "fulcrum" from which later on it is necessary to make a start. For example, China has chosen a "fulcrum" - an almost unlimited resource, albeit not qualified, but cheap labor. They copied and counterfeited any product that was in the slightest degree using on the foreign market, albeit of low quality, but at low prices. 30-35 years have passed and they were able to train qualified personnel and start producing high-quality goods, the truth is, environmental problems remain, since the "golden billion" melted all their harmful and dangerous production into China, now they boast of their pure nature. But China, the time will come and take its own.
    Now about Russia. Russia does not have such a large amount, albeit an unqualified human resource, as China, but the fulcrum can be cheap energy resources, skilled personnel still allowing the production of competitive goods, resources that compensate for the natural conditions of Russia. (Up to 65% of the territory is "permafrost") , and a relatively small population. So for now, growing economies can compete on the world market only using their individual characteristics (China has cheap labor, Russia has cheap energy resources, although the resource of cheap labor will end much earlier).
  16. +5
    18 January 2019 08: 08
    November, December 2018 record water discharges at the Saratov hydroelectric station. Turbines idling. According to the employee of RusHydro. We draw conclusions.
    1. +1
      18 January 2019 09: 30
      water discharges at the Saratov hydroelectric station. Idle turbines

      As far as I know, all the electricity of the Balakovo NPP is exported, and the Saratov Hydroelectric Power Plant is used for domestic consumption.
  17. +7
    18 January 2019 08: 08
    I don’t want to discuss these verbal passages of Chubais, Putin and their friends. All their actions are aimed at the destruction of the country and there is no doubt about that. The current Russian state, which many fear to lose, is an ordinary screen, plywood over the Ilyich Mausoleum. As for Chubais and electricity, many people, including myself, agree with sms to pay the full electricity for his lobotomy and then the electric chair.
    1. +2
      18 January 2019 09: 04
      Why lobotomize? Better to sit in an electric chair in a firm mind and clear memory, so that she will get rid of fear.
  18. +2
    18 January 2019 08: 14
    Just like in Ukraine about gas, apparently one training manual has been launched.
    I don’t know how in other areas we are upgrading TP for the second year and laying new KVL. Moreover, the substations are put with a margin for modernization.
  19. +5
    18 January 2019 08: 16
    “It is worth balancing the prices for electricity in Russia, which are half the global average.”
    I have two columns in the receipt for electricity: directly for electricity and for electricity transmission services. So ... For transmission services, the amount is always more than for the electricity itself ...
    promised the Russians an almost universal reduction in energy tariffs ... due to the fact that there will be competition in the industry after its reform
    But what kind of competition can there be? What, to a single house / apartment someone will pull wires from a competitor? Not funny. Only mediators bred. And each intermediary wants to fill his pocket, which is quite logical. And the more intermediaries, the more pockets that need to be filled. What kind of competition is there ...? Is that who snaps more.
  20. +5
    18 January 2019 08: 57
    “The average cost of kWh for China last year was about $ 0,049, which is approximately equal to 1,5 rubles,” said Sergey Voskresensky, a leading expert at 2K Engineering Company, the envoy’s words. - For consumers in the Far East, the cost of a kilowatt was about 2,23 rubles. 25 Feb. 2013 year
  21. +4
    18 January 2019 09: 13
    1. The retirement age was raised, but pensions were also "raised" - a friend told me yesterday about his mother that her pension was 8,5k with all sorts of increments, now she was thrown over 700 rubles, but all the increments were removed, in general, she has the same amount as before.

    2. I am an employee in the public sector. I have been working here since the beginning of 11 years. For all this time, we have indexed s / n for only ONE time and then 300 rubles. Every year, official inflation is from 4% to 12%, so consider how much money they screwed on us.

    This year they promised to index us by 4%, only indexation will happen in October, OCTOBER, CARL !!! What is it all about? the end of the year, and the papers will be in 19g, only there is a difference at the beginning of the year or at the end ?!

    here is the layout up to 15g.
    (So: year / salary / percentage of inflation / indexed salary adjusted for inflation:
    2011 - 14000r, 6.1% - we get + 854r, 14000 + 854 = 14854
    2012 - 14854r, 6,6% -980r, 14854 + 980 = 15834
    13g - 15834r, 6,5% -1029r, 15834 + 1029 = 16863
    14 - 16863р, 11,3% -1905р, 16863 + 1905 = 18767
    15 -18767r, 12,9%, -2420r, 18767 + 2420 = 21187r)

    3. Forever more expensive gasoline and ever more expensive goods. here and so everything is clear I will not procrastinate.

    4. Raising taxes, etc. type money nowhere to take. So what is ouin? our country's budget 40 percent depends on the sale of oil and gas, the budget was laid out taking into account $ 40 per barrel, almost the whole year this barrel cost $ 50-60, where is the money, Zin?
    1. +2
      18 January 2019 09: 30
      forgot to add.

      Another interesting budget development! and so in any field, even in medicine, they’ll buy equipment, and they won’t buy equipment or pull it, and we have more than 100 units of equipment in the region, and there are about 30 people with drivers and tractor drivers (actually, less than 30 percent staff turnover annually, since sn they have 12t.r.). those. 1 person for 3-5 units. technicians, but money is allocated from the Fed. budget for PURCHASE of new equipment. ??? we have a set of equipment, we do not have specialists and drivers with tractor drivers and workers, they need to be kept and money should not be allocated for the purchase, but for the CONTENT of the equipment. But noooo, we’ll buy even more new ones to insure, register and deposit a lot of dough.
  22. +3
    18 January 2019 09: 37
    Over six years, electricity has risen in price by 50% what
  23. +7
    18 January 2019 09: 38
    Recently, from officials, deputies, we hear such nonsense that the question arises: can they have an olympiad in dullness and stupidity? Or maybe these opuses are not random at all? The impression is that different branches of government are competing - who is more likely to paraffin the president, who will show more his incompetence in government. Maybe we are witnessing a revolt of the vertical against its builder? Or maybe just the vertical opened the visor and says, you are our enemies.
  24. BAI
    0
    18 January 2019 10: 22
    The energy efficiency of our economy is probably low, if Rosstat in some cases takes into account bulbs greater than 100 watts as electric heaters. The problem is that speaking about the economy, electricity prices will rise for the population.
  25. +2
    18 January 2019 10: 43
    But the basis for aligning tariffs with European ones can be only one: the achievement is the same as in Europe, and not in the East, but in the West, the standard of living, the level of salaries and pensions.
    And also to align the average annual air temperature in Russia with the average annual temperature in western Europe.
    PS About 10 years ago I was on a business trip at some factory. So there was a poster in the shop: "Comrade, remember! Every light bulb not switched off is an extra ruble in Chubais's pocket."
  26. +1
    18 January 2019 11: 28
    If in the next presidential election there will be a candidate who promises to plant this enemy of the people, I think that he will be provided with 100% electoral support.
  27. +2
    18 January 2019 11: 58
    Quote: Herrr
    Well, that's the end of the world. wassat

    I would not be so "excited" ... here is information for citizens of Omsk:
  28. +2
    18 January 2019 12: 48
    I propose that Chubais's salary be equalized too. Pay the world average ...
  29. +3
    18 January 2019 13: 15
    I congratulate all those involved in Russian culture on the Baptism of the Lord!
    People, Russia has seen many misfortunes and rulers 1000 worse than today. We survived, which means we will survive these adversities.
    The main thing is not to despair
  30. -1
    18 January 2019 13: 56
    If in a nutshell! While I was managing RAO, the prices were reasonable and it was possible to cut loot on a social network by exporting electrics abroad and also allocating her dear to all kinds of Deripaska! But then the Malagan Armageddon came in the form of falling oil and gas prices and the stern swamp narrowed sharply! What should I do!
    In fact, if you take the west and the states, then there is a real market, the more you consume the lower the price. If Chubais is such a big guardian for the market, then you need to do it all 20 years ago.
    P.S. for everyone who cares for a communal apartment for 2-4 copecks per kilowatt as in a union! This is just a way of pumping money from the budget into the pockets of the oligarchy. We are sometimes amazed, but WHY? a car from Japan in the same Japan is cheaper than ours? Even if you discard fees and customs payments, their atoms are cheaper! Yes, because there the manufacturer has fun announcing the necessary volumes of energy carriers and the more consumption the lower the price! All! Ask an ordinary German what is the cost of electrics specifically for him? You will be surprised to learn that he can choose an electrician from the Thermal Coal Station from the selling company, by the way the most cheap, or from nuclear power plants, a little more expensive. If stubborn green then you can choose both solar and wind! But whatever he chooses, for him the price will be more expensive than for production! For delivering 100 MW on a single line is cheaper than 1000 lines and even taking into account! The same situation is with gas! If you consume 50 cubic meters of gas per month only for a stove, be prepared to pay 3 times more than if you consumed 500 cubic meters!
    P.S.2 The whole world lives by such standards. Market! A cheap communal is just pumping out your money in the form of a budget!
  31. +1
    18 January 2019 14: 15
    When will he and his accomplices finally get what they deserve, all of our not wasted “gratitude.” Someone in our country can shut his throat for good or not?
  32. +1
    18 January 2019 16: 52
    The main spender of the country decided to vote. Bold, what else was planted.?
  33. +3
    18 January 2019 17: 26
    Ginger Mr. As always counts the people as stupid ... Simple arithmetic: before the ruble depreciated, the price of electricity was already comparable to the price in the USA .. As a result of the insane policy of the economic bloc, the ruble fell by half, but salaries and pensions were two times did not increase ... So from what hangover do you need to double the price of electricity ??? Just because Redhead has few dollars ??? The scoundrel was, the scoundrel and remained ...
  34. -1
    19 January 2019 15: 33
    I would hang this red-haired enemy. But he is a friend of GDP, and there is still an internal GUARD!
  35. +1
    19 January 2019 21: 01
    Quote: Decimam

    There are many lovers of neighing over Ukraine. They all forget that the one who laughs last laughs well.

    Exactly!
    According to the zombie man, the spreading Kiselevschina, endless propaganda talk shows about how everything is bad in / in Ukraine.
    And the blood-sucking relatives, while slobbering, following the IMF's orders, suck out the last drops of national patience.
    Bloody Cheburator is generally a colorful and flawed personality, completely cut off from the surrounding reality. He started by selling flowers, rustling in his "Niva" from stall to stall. He always pursued his dirty and vile goals, only Satan himself helps him.
    But he is not the only one who makes every effort to drive people into a coffin, loyal followers slaughter alive:

    "A new package of documents is being prepared to increase the fiscal burden in Russia, both on citizens and businesses," said Alexander Shokhin, head of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs."

  36. +1
    21 January 2019 15: 52
    Business deserves a rope. Chubais too. But in "gratitude" from myself I will single out a piece of soap. I'm not a beast, unlike them
  37. +1
    21 January 2019 18: 16
    Many probably noticed that the objects from which it was possible to obtain were privatized
    huge profits, or to sell. The reformers did not even privatize those enterprises that provided the work of the finishing enterprises. Reformers often say that they pulled the country
    on his shoulders. The factory director comes to us. I received a bill from the Ministry for salary.
    But he cannot cash it in any bank. Condition. 50% to us, 50% to you. Let's say the hard work was with
    reformers.
  38. 0
    22 January 2019 11: 39
    Dear readers of the site and this article. Please do not forget whose friend Chubais. For a long time, as the decades passed, of this secret friendship and mutual love, the Great and infallible second popularly elected by the mouth of Chubais. And if so, the first throw-in passed, then curses and discussions follow. Well, then a straightforward combination. As is the case with retirement age. Solntselikiy enters the matter, and there is an increase not in 2 times, but in one and a half. Everyone rejoices. The bonnets are flying up.
    1. 0
      25 January 2019 17: 54
      Antique. Chubais is one of the main reformers of the USSR and the Russian Federation. But the trouble is that he does everything according to the advice of advisers from the USA and others, according to Western patterns, which for Russia has always been harmful by definition, especially advisers. Gaidar and Chubais figuratively wanted to create a racehorse from a semi-Asian camel. Here is the result: the horse didn’t work and the camel dies ... Why so far A. Chubais has not been dismissed, or rather jail for multibillion-dollar embezzlement, a secret, perhaps due to the fact that since the time of B. Yeltsin he became a shadow dictator and created a pro-Jewish clan rule, if you identify everyone in the main posts of the state, the vast majority of Jews (from A. Medvedev, S. Lavrov, V. Zorkin, Chaika, etc. ...) So there is a suspicion that we have a hidden board of one nat. minorities, because in the history of the Khazar Kaganate ...
  39. 0
    23 January 2019 19: 10
    Oddly enough, privatization paved its way for other things as well. For some, it brought everything. Others lost
    All. And these unfortunates were much more "living on the sunny side of the street. There is such an indigenous Maasai people. A very friendly people. And here, in Kenya, they decided to introduce this plague .. No friendliness has not disappeared, but the fungus began to slowly eat away at this feeling." Let's return to the banks of the Volga.
    they didn’t curse the power stations on this river, they say it’s all built on bones. But they disdained and privatized all GOELRO. Previously, the saturation of ships on the river was such that the ship was going around with an eye. Now
    the trip on the empty river became expensive. And there is absolutely no control over the course of the river. I also did not advise walking along the shore, the Barsky class established a tower.
  40. 0
    27 January 2019 16: 54
    RUSSIANS !!!!. FIGHT AND FIGHT FOR ITS RIGHTS. Or will be. As in Ukraine. -With pension-2300 gr payment for housing and communal services-1050 gr. And to live for what !!!!

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