The State Duma supported Chubais’s assessment of the state of Russia's energy industry

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Anatoly Chubais’s statement that a low-efficient energy system has developed in Russia, and that the situation can be remedied either by raising tariffs or imposing restrictions, has caused a wave of critical responses from ordinary Russians. However, deputies were identified in the main Russian legislative body, who generally agree with the interpretations of the Rosnano head.

The State Duma supported Chubais’s assessment of the state of Russia's energy industry


In particular, Pavel Zavalny, the head of the Duma energy committee, said that Russia "is indeed one of the most energy-wasteful countries in the world." Zavalny made a statement in which he agreed with the assessment made by Mr. Chubais.



From the statement of the head of the relevant committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation:
Forced to agree with this assessment. Even according to official statistics, the energy intensity of our GDP is 1,8 times higher than in China, and the indicators of developed countries exceed 2,2 times and more. In Russia, over 1 billion of conventional fuel is consumed annually.


According to Zavalny, about a third of these volumes are consumed by the fuel and energy complex itself (the fuel and energy complex). The deputy stated that it is necessary to reduce the consumption level of the fuel and energy complex by at least 20%. And the total potential of "energy saving" in the country Zavalny is estimated at 30%.

The very theme of the “low efficiency of the electric power sector”, which is conducted by representatives of the political and economic circles of Russia, seems to be a prologue to the next reform.

It should be noted here that the actual system itself was formed with the active participation of Anatoly Chubais. So it is time for him to recognize the fact of absolutely incompetent reform activity on his part and give way to those who are really able to solve the most ambitious tasks of the economy, and not just those related to the development of the federal treasury funds, including private taxpayers. But this is the lyrics ... In fact, Anatoly Borisovich continues to set the reformist tone, and, remarkably, his statements are quickly picked up by certain representatives of the authorities.
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  1. +105
    17 January 2019 15: 05
    The polls approving the protege of the GDP.
    is a prologue to the next reform.

    As in "Wedding in Malinovka" - "it means they will rob."
    1. +58
      17 January 2019 15: 10
      What kind of stupidity ... What climate do we live in? Why do we compare it with China and not with Canada, for example. Although I partially agree, we often heat the street.
      1. +46
        17 January 2019 15: 24
        Quote: 210ox
        and not with Canada for example

        we can’t even be compared with them; our annual average is lower than zero;
        1. Underwater hunter
          +48
          17 January 2019 15: 30
          We can assume that Chubais’s initiative has already been taken .. this implies a rise in price of energy, read that by 24%, and it follows that everything will rise in price automatically .. Merry year .. Those who voted for Putin must now tear their hair ..
          1. +45
            17 January 2019 15: 39
            They believe in a cunning plan.
            1. +46
              17 January 2019 16: 44
              Is anyone interested in the opinion of the people?
              1998 year


              2011 year

              1. +2
                17 January 2019 18: 04
                That's what I want for the photo, that in the article, to draw something obscene laughing
                1. +3
                  19 January 2019 07: 00

                  ... sounded by Mr. Chubais.

                  The abbreviation "Mr.", in this context, acquires the correct meaning.

                  But in reality, Anatoly Borisovich continues to set a reformist tone, ..

                  And, stop already calling this organism by name.
                  1. +1
                    19 January 2019 08: 53
                    The efficiency of "RosNano" seems to be very high! Now Chubais takes on other things .. "Well, NAV will trample everything ..!" How they keep him there at all .. Vorye breeds a parasite.
            2. +6
              17 January 2019 17: 05
              They believe in a cunning plan.

              Merry year .. Those who voted for Putin probably now tear their hair ..

              The paradox is that YOU ARE BOTH RIGHTS!
          2. +7
            17 January 2019 15: 40
            Merry year .. Those who voted for Putin probably now tear their hair.
            And where does Putin? This evil Chubais wants to raise the price fellow
            1. +8
              17 January 2019 16: 21
              Exactly, Putin is loved by women and children ... and he, too.
          3. -7
            17 January 2019 15: 47
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            energy appreciation, read that by 24%,

            They forgot to put a comma after the two.
            1. -11
              17 January 2019 17: 56
              Gray brother, why throw beads in front of pigs? It looks like a troll coven. The main occupation, throw shit at the fan. It became disgusting to go to this resource.
              1. +11
                17 January 2019 19: 30
                I also don't like reading dirt. But the appearance of the Initial and the discontent of many are the consequences of governing the country. It’s easier to divide people into ,, patriots ,,, liberals, trolls, etc.but do not look for the cause and find a solution to the problem, naturally, recognizing, in the beginning, the existence of problems.
                Therefore, either do not read the comments, or, as the person said here, do not attend the first three sections.
              2. Alf
                +10
                17 January 2019 20: 43
                Quote: aleks26
                It became disgusting to go to this resource.

                So who is holding you here? According to the Constitution, we have a free country, don’t like it, pass by.
              3. -5
                17 January 2019 20: 56
                As a measure to modernize the energy sector, 1,4 trillion rubles will be allocated for the modernization and construction of new TPPs in Russia.
            2. -4
              17 January 2019 23: 46
              Quote: Gray Brother
              They forgot to put a comma after the two.

              All right, Sergey, to find fault with the little things. laughing Say thanks for the fact that he did not put a zero after the four. fellow wassat This is the former svarog, "brother" of Gardamir.
          4. +24
            17 January 2019 15: 58
            He already wrote to one cheer patriot (the owner of a couple of shops) on the eve of NG that he should wait until January 1, but he did not believe. And how is the beginning of the year ?!
          5. +15
            17 January 2019 16: 19
            There you do not have to tear your hair, but immediately head against the wall! I have never voted for a ghoul.
          6. -14
            17 January 2019 16: 37
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            Those who voted for Putin probably now tear their hair ..

            and who needed to vote for?
            for Ksyushad, Zhirika, or maybe for Grisha Yavlinsky? !!!
            FOR WHOM?!!!!!
            1. +33
              17 January 2019 17: 05
              For the Communist Party, of course. Accordingly, Grudinin, whom the power rinsed as soon as possible.
              1. -5
                17 January 2019 17: 13
                Quote: Campanella
                Accordingly, Grudinin

                Grudinin has the same attitude to the Communists as Zhirik to liberals and democrats.
                and after Stroushin’s sternus escaped the nightingale’s debate and screwed up his bills with respect, it makes no sense to him at all
                1. +22
                  17 January 2019 17: 43
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and after sternus sternus escaped the nightingale’s debate
                  What did he get scared there? What nonsense is this? There was no debate there (as well as Putin on them). There were simply alternate speeches of each candidate explaining their program, they did not really communicate with each other (apart from a few scandalous cases). Grudinin left Shevchenko in his place, and he completely coped.
                  1. -11
                    17 January 2019 18: 00
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Grudinin left Shevchenko in his place, and he completely coped.

                    well, it’s so foolish to include this bust, sternin escaped after the arrival of some aunt and it was RUNNING OUT
                    1. +31
                      17 January 2019 19: 23
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      sternin escaped after the arrival of some aunt and it escaped
                      Lol He left the debate before that. And Suraykin dragged some aunt, and she began to carry nonsense about how Grudinin had deceived her 20 years ago. Surprisingly different, how this aunt suddenly (!!!) ended up near the television center building. How suddenly she (!!!) was allowed into the building without problems and allowed to go live (!!!), although this was not discussed in advance. And yes, where was this abnormal all these 20 years, and then suddenly woke up ?! So, all this was a planned action to discredit Grudinin. For some reason, such dirty methods, a paradox, were not used against other candidates ?!
                      1. -14
                        17 January 2019 20: 47
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        And Suraykin dragged some aunt, and she began to carry nonsense about how Grudinin had deceived her 20 years ago.

                        so what's the problem?!
                        if chestinin considers himself a leader and politician, it was necessary to stay and show it to everyone, and he washed off with his tail
                        By the way, forgotten accounts are the same machinations of spiteful critics ?!
                      2. +13
                        17 January 2019 21: 29
                        By the way, forgotten accounts are the same machinations of spiteful critics ?!

                        Panfilova and the CEC with TV most of all discredited themselves on the "forgotten accounts".
                      3. -12
                        17 January 2019 21: 33
                        let’s do it without snot, I didn’t declare all the sternins and don’t need to translate arrows
                      4. -8
                        17 January 2019 21: 37
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        So, all this was a planned action to discredit Grudinin

                        Naive idiocy steers put minuses
                        Grudinin does not hide the fact that you can't make much money on agriculture. Indeed, having a truly "golden land" near the Moscow Ring Road, there is no need to think too much about potatoes and beets. Multimillion-dollar income from land leases is constantly flowing into the pockets of shareholders.
                        An ordinary oligarch, behind whom was the money of Jewish global capital .. yes and the same roots, grandfather and mother Pishchik Serafima Zinovievna, and the Communist Party has long been a corrupt opportunist bourgeois party, respectively, and candidates for the bourgeois oligarchs, people wake up and take off the pink glasses about this character.
                      5. +10
                        17 January 2019 22: 39
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        So, all this was a planned action to discredit Grudinin

                        Naive idiocy steers put minuses
                        Grudinin does not hide the fact that you can't make much money on agriculture. Indeed, having a truly "golden land" near the Moscow Ring Road, there is no need to think too much about potatoes and beets. Multimillion-dollar income from land leases is constantly flowing into the pockets of shareholders.
                        An ordinary oligarch, behind whom was the money of Jewish global capital .. yes and the same roots, grandfather and mother Pishchik Serafima Zinovievna, and the Communist Party has long been a corrupt opportunist bourgeois party, respectively, and candidates for the bourgeois oligarchs, people wake up and take off the pink glasses about this character.

                        It can be seen that you received all the information from Gazprom Media, and did not even bother to check it, and this was not very difficult to do. There would be desire and time, which is usually not enough. "News" for dinner, all that is enough for us :(
                      6. +4
                        18 January 2019 08: 56
                        Tell us about the non-bribery in our country in power? With examples. Why is Sobchak a senator, why is Volodya’s old mom a cool business? Etc. Eyes open!
                      7. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 18
                        Ordinary oligarch, behind whom stood the money of Jewish global capital

                        How much hatred for an honest person in your words.
                        The call to "put cons" suggests that you are a mean person.
                    2. +5
                      18 January 2019 08: 53
                      And mister good, from what such fright this aunt appeared on debate? Is this the format of an elected company?
                      Where is it written that you can bring people to the studio from the street?
                      Obviously, in order to provoke ... and in this situation, Grudinin did the right thing. And then where are these, where are the criminal cases, why was Grudinin admitted to the election if he had accounts? Do you know how to analyze information? Filter? I see that no.
                2. +1
                  17 January 2019 20: 49
                  I think that if instead of the party Gorbachev they elected a non-partisan, but smart, they would have lived happily ever after.
                  1. -1
                    17 January 2019 20: 57
                    Why would it be fun?
                    1. +2
                      17 January 2019 21: 22
                      With a correct adjustment of ideology and, accordingly, the national economy, I am sure that we would live an order of magnitude better.
                      Gorbach showed himself as an elephant in a china shop.
                      1. +8
                        17 January 2019 23: 29
                        Quote: Campanella
                        With a correct adjustment of ideology and, accordingly, the national economy, I am sure that we would live an order of magnitude better.
                        Gorbach showed himself as an elephant in a china shop.

                        No, it's just a traitor to the motherland. All that has been done is pure treason.
                    2. -1
                      18 January 2019 11: 20
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Why would it be fun?

                      For example, China's GDP has grown to 90 since the 30th year! times, with a balanced structure - they produce everything.
                      1. 0
                        18 January 2019 12: 27
                        Of course - especially when you consider that most of all world brands transferred part of their production to China - they gave just 27 times.
              2. -7
                17 January 2019 21: 38
                Quote: Campanella
                For the Communist Party, of course

                why of course? !!!
                why am I obliged to vote like you? !!!
                and if I think differently, then what? !!
                shoot it ?!
                I would vote for the CPSU (b), but sorry, unfortunately there is no such party
                but from what it was, excuse me as in advertising, with all the variety of choices ...
                Belarus to you as an example
                1. +6
                  18 January 2019 01: 11
                  Nobody forces you to vote. This is your decision, your responsibility. I expressed my opinion.
                  Belarus is not an example. In general, in this situation, only Russia can pull socialism and China with the help of Russia can.
                  The west trumpets the other trifle with the ice rink and smoothes it to the ground, in view of the fact that democracy in their patterns is the only correct one. They act like dictators.
                  1. -4
                    18 January 2019 07: 52
                    Quote: Campanella
                    I expressed my opinion.

                    yes no you expressed condemnation, they say those who voted differently idiots
                    1. +2
                      18 January 2019 09: 00
                      So it is! Do you have enough post-electoral reforms? Now you will raise energy prices for more enthusiasm.
                    2. +4
                      18 January 2019 11: 25
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Quote: Campanella
                      I expressed my opinion.

                      yes no you expressed condemnation, they say those who voted differently idiots


                      No one will give guarantees, but at least the Communist Party of the Russian Federation program includes the nationalization of basic industries, tariff control, sound monetary policy, support for local producers / consumers, the current authorities are following the path of effective milking of most citizens and a small number of beneficiaries.
              3. +1
                17 January 2019 22: 15
                Nah, for Ksenia! She promised more than Grudinino! Merry little girl, in just a hundred steps, she promised to make everyone happy.
            2. +25
              17 January 2019 17: 07
              Have you tried to vote for Grudinin? Look at his election speech where he said that we sell electricity to China at 50 kopecks and gas at 80 kopecks per cubic meter. and think for yourself where it is more profitable to produce something where the electric energy is 50 kopecks, or where we have 5 rubles for the population and for enterprises is even more expensive
              1. -19
                17 January 2019 17: 13
                Quote: Vladimir Teplov
                Look at his pre-election speeches where he said that we sell electricity to China at 50 kopecks and gas at 80 kopecks per cubic meter.

                and what is he giving collective farm land?
                1. +14
                  17 January 2019 17: 44
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and what is he giving collective farm land?
                  Does it matter?
                  1. -14
                    17 January 2019 18: 20
                    yes it matters to you why electricity is sold
                    although neither the sternum nor even your desire to analyze prices arose
                    1. +19
                      17 January 2019 19: 24
                      The existing energy system of Russia is the result of Chubais’s activities. Those. Do you approve of her, do I understand correctly ?! Maybe you approve of RAO UES? Maybe Chubais is an effective specialist for you?
                      1. -10
                        17 January 2019 19: 39
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        Those. Do you approve of her, do I understand correctly ?! Maybe you approve of RAO UES? Maybe Chubais is an effective specialist for you?

                        you don’t know how to read or problems with understanding?
                        I wrote that comparing the wholesale price of high-voltage current with a retail of 220 is the top of stupidity and illiteracy

                        and you’re almost better than a red rat getting into something you don’t understand
                      2. +7
                        17 January 2019 20: 55
                        And you from the position of what you look like?
                        What is your reference point?
                        With literacy, you are not completely happy. You interfere with everything in a heap.
                      3. -10
                        17 January 2019 21: 40
                        Quote: Campanella
                        And you from the position of what you look like?

                        from the position that high voltage is cheaper than low
                        and the wholesale price is lower than the retail
                        Quote: Campanella
                        With literacy, you are not completely happy.

                        all the "main" argument presented
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You interfere with everything in a heap.

                        in what a bunch, people said how sternly cool talked about electricity sold to China, I specifically on this issue and answered
                      4. +6
                        18 January 2019 00: 54
                        1. This is primarily about the economic policy of the state.
                        2. Electricity prices in Russia are monopoly (and here, all the same, high, low voltage, wholesale or retail).

                        3. Lord, the rulers started talking about energy saving for a reason.
                        I personally see a desire to receive from the people to the fullest and make electricity an export commodity in a larger volume.
                        This means that Russian citizens will pay both for electricity and for the construction of new generating capacities. Just lovely.
                        4. Grudinin, on the other hand, looks at the situation in the context of the development of the economic potential of all of Russia, and not just the "power engineers" elected by Chubais
                      5. -4
                        18 January 2019 07: 56
                        Quote: Campanella
                        . This is primarily about the economic policy of the state.

                        this is a specific post to which I replied
                      6. +2
                        18 January 2019 09: 26
                        Campanella
                        Persistently no one pays attention that they are bending us this time because of Deripaska.
                        News of that year! ! !
                        Control over the largest assets of the Russian Federation passes to the USA and Great Britain:
                        En + Group Offshore Holding Deripaska. EuroSibEnergo and RUSAL.
                        Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station. Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station. The Angarsk cascade of hydroelectric power stations is now not ours! ! !
                      7. +2
                        18 January 2019 09: 47
                        Why do not we notice, I write all the time that the policy of the authorities is anti-people in essence. And conducted in the interests of the oligarchy!
                      8. +10
                        17 January 2019 23: 02
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                        I wrote that comparing the wholesale price of high-voltage current with a retail of 220 is the top of stupidity and illiteracy

                        and you’re almost better than a red rat getting into something you don’t understand
                        You are engaged in a conscious distortion of the facts. Enterprises inside Russia do not receive low voltage, as you wrote 220 volts, this is nonsense, any more or less large plant receives 110 thousand, a small enterprise or urban area receives 10 thousand volts, this is not much lower than the lines that go to China, the price difference there will be in one transformer, a couple of oil workers and three service people, this is 2% of the maximum cost, but not like 1000%, so Grudinin was right.
                      9. -10
                        17 January 2019 23: 07
                        Quote: Egorchik
                        You are engaged in a conscious distortion of the facts

                        before you blame someone for juggling read the entire branch of the dispute, the conversation was about industrial enterprises
                        We sell electricity to China at 50 kopecks ... we have 5 rubles for the population
                      10. +10
                        17 January 2019 23: 13
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: Egorchik
                        You are engaged in a conscious distortion of the facts

                        before you blame someone for juggling read the entire branch of the dispute, the conversation was about industrial enterprises
                        We sell electricity to China at 50 kopecks ... we have 5 rubles for the population

                        Again you twist, "and for enterprises it is even more expensive" Is this part of the phrase you deliberately missed? And the distribution companies do not receive energy 10 times cheaper than they sell.
                      11. -6
                        18 January 2019 07: 56
                        Quote: Egorchik
                        Again you distort, "but for enterprises it is even more expensive"

                        but what that juggling was originally the price at which electricity is sold in China 3.5 and not 0.5 rubles?
                      12. +4
                        18 January 2019 08: 58
                        Well, if you quote, Mr. General, then, if you please, DO NOT FORCE, but to quote your opponents FULLY - almost a FULL QUOTE LOOKS LIKE - "... Look at his campaign speeches where he said that we are selling China electricity for 50 kopecks and gas for 80 kopecks per cubic meter and think for yourself where it is more profitable to produce something, where is the electricity 50 kopecks, or where we have 5 rubles for the population and for businesses even more expensive"(with)
                        IT IS BEAUTIFUL ON YOUR PART AS MINIMUM am
                    2. +4
                      18 January 2019 09: 04
                      I’ll add for you, the price of electricity in Canada is lower than in Russia, and in Sweden even lower. No need to engage in idle talk.
                2. +5
                  17 January 2019 20: 51
                  Strange parallels ...
                  1. -11
                    17 January 2019 21: 42
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Strange parallels ...

                    are you fooling around ?!
                    or really don't understand?
                    that is not the same thing, only one pushes the earth and the other electricity
                    though for some reason the first is good, and the second byaka
                    1. +6
                      18 January 2019 00: 59
                      Both are bad. But what Chubais did with the crime of energy! He promised a reduction in prices. Where is it? There are no new capacities, prices are such that it is very difficult to develop industry, which leads to stagnation. Some raw materials breathe.
                      1. -8
                        18 January 2019 07: 55
                        well faberge fame, sternum is already the same bad
                      2. +4
                        18 January 2019 09: 07
                        How tired were the attempts to stick Grudinin to each comment ((((
                        DO NOT LIKE IT FOR YOU - YOUR PROBLEMS!
                      3. +3
                        18 January 2019 09: 09
                        Do not understand correctly! GDP and Chubais!
                3. +3
                  18 January 2019 11: 29
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and what is he giving collective farm land?

                  Our choice is not rich, Grudinin, of course, not a faithful Stalinist, but at least spends money on development and social affairs. At the same time, part of the income from construction, part from the rural household.
            3. -9
              17 January 2019 17: 11
              that is, there are no answers, we can either minus or cry
              1. +24
                17 January 2019 17: 46
                Well, right, like you are, to put it mildly, not so far voted for Putin, and now everyone else, by your grace, should eat a big spoon to raise prices, VAT, the retirement age, listen to the chatter of Medvedev and his ministers with watches for 20 million. Thank you very much.
                1. -28
                  17 January 2019 18: 15
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  like you, to put it mildly, the near-witted voted for Putin

                  and you are far away from us? !!!
                  Do you really think that without systemic changes you could leave the retirement age ?!
                  then excuse you for ksushad you need to vote, the mental level is about the same
                  1. +20
                    17 January 2019 19: 18
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    that without systemic changes could leave the retirement age ?!
                    Yeah, what system changes do you mean?
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    the mental level is about the same
                    Well, you putinoids are as smart as I see. You will scientifically substantiate the price increase, VAT, retirement age, and more and more taxes. Justify then Medvedev's "No money, you hold on there" and the reconstruction of the State Duma for 4 billion rubles and the blocking of Telegram for 20 lard. So is there money in the country or not? And also justify a watch for 20 million in the hands of people in a "poor wasteful country".

                    1. -22
                      17 January 2019 19: 41
                      Quote: Greenwood
                      Yeah, what system changes do you mean?

                      the question is closed, it makes no sense to talk about Ohm's law with a 4th grade student
                      Quote: Greenwood
                      Scientifically justify the increase in prices, and VAT, and retirement age, and more and more new taxes.

                      you have porridge in your head and you try to compare blue with sour, these are all different things
                      1. +9
                        17 January 2019 20: 59
                        You are a troll, waiting only for answers to your questions. And as soon as they ask you, you immediately begin to humiliate people. Aren't you ashamed?
                      2. -17
                        17 January 2019 21: 36
                        What are you asking?!!!!
                        heaped together VAT, pensions, prices are completely different things, and I have different attitudes towards them
                        for those gifted in the existing system, the retirement age which was NOT REAL, and what this bomb was planted for a long time, there are problems with demography and the heap of the USSR pension system and today's accumulative pile
                      3. 0
                        19 January 2019 14: 51
                        In the existing system, development is not real, only total poverty is real! The point is that the current government is not able to solve the tasks facing the state at the moment.
                        And nothing better than making the people pay for their mistakes and incompetence, this government did not come up with.
                      4. +2
                        18 January 2019 03: 49
                        ... we are to blame for * what they want to eat * ...
                      5. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 52
                        You should not argue with the troll (Vladimir Vasilenko), he litter for that.
                    2. 0
                      19 January 2019 09: 53
                      I don’t want to whitewash anyone in your concentration camp, but historical practice shows that low-income officials commit much more serious crimes. The Chinese death penalty did not stop any bribe-taker. Raising the "threshold for entry" into a criminal relationship simply increases the profitability of the transaction and automatically weeds out competitors.
                  2. +19
                    17 January 2019 19: 22
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    like you, to put it mildly, the near-witted voted for Putin

                    and you are far away from us? !!!
                    Do you really think that without systemic changes you could leave the retirement age ?!
                    then excuse you for ksushad you need to vote, the mental level is about the same

                    In, in. Regarding system changes, I completely agree with you. To fix the whole system, with a mixer for one place, together with Grandfather Vova (he is also a vice chairman of the system).
                  3. +10
                    18 January 2019 01: 04
                    Pension reform still comes around. Power removes the last from the people, killing the state. Where are the high-tech places? 25 million ??? Putin does not touch the oligarchs, but has taken away his pension from people, and he pumps the last money out with his reforms like a vacuum cleaner.
              2. +3
                18 January 2019 09: 11
                Give answers to SUCH comments - do not respect yourself hi bully
                EBN at one time said a very typical phrase - "... CHUBAIS IS TO blame for EVERYTHING ..." (C), you just copy him, you have Grudinin to blame for everything)))))
                "Peshi ischo" (c) bully
                1. 0
                  19 January 2019 15: 02
                  Grudinin has a piece of land, but the fact that the government is selling land and Russia does not notice Vasilenko ... A strange person.
                  1. 0
                    19 January 2019 20: 44
                    I’m not sure that he doesn’t notice, maybe his task is ...
            4. +13
              17 January 2019 17: 19
              you are naive, our government will not allow anyone to power, so that it’s not in theirs, this is an axiom ..
            5. -10
              17 January 2019 20: 55
              They did everything right by voting. Putin is our president! Chubais and Shoigu are his loyal assistants. Just here, in the comments, the liberals raged. We support Anatoly Borisovich!
              1. +5
                18 January 2019 03: 54
                ..Shoigu - in general - paragraph - Minister of Defense not a day, damn Clinton, who did not serve in the army ...
            6. +10
              18 January 2019 00: 31
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and who needed to vote for?
              for Ksyushad, Zhirika, or maybe for Grisha Yavlinsky? !!!
              FOR WHOM?!!!!!

              Not to vote, but to take to the streets. Not like Navalny's - shouting "Putin is a thief!", But with the demand to return the turnout threshold in the elections and the column "I do not support anyone." So that if this "no one" wins, none of the candidates would have the right to run again.
              But now everything is profiled, we are waiting for the Maidan.
          7. -22
            17 January 2019 16: 40
            What is - that is: Chubais is right! Save energy! Who can not - teach who does not want .....
            1. +1
              19 January 2019 09: 56
              Where did you read about "save" ??? He said "Pay more!"
          8. -11
            17 January 2019 17: 00
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            .. Those who voted for Putin probably now tear their hair ..
            Why's that? But we want a strong country, with a large army, navy, we want to fly into space ... all this requires a lot of resources. And since the population is not large, it is necessary to work more and more efficiently for the same RFP.

            Over the next 5 years, real income (the money that citizens can spend on themselves) will not change, and tariffs (utilities, electricity, fuel, etc.) will grow at least twice (+ inflation), and together deductions to budgets will grow with them.

            I’ll add on my own: "Nobody will be able to sit on the couch," it is impossible to turn away from economic mobilization Yes
            1. +24
              17 January 2019 17: 06
              Quote: srelock
              Over the next 5 years, real income (the money that citizens can spend on themselves) will not change, and tariffs (utilities, electricity, fuel, etc.) will grow at least twice (+ inflation), and together deductions to budgets will grow with them.

              fool With world energy prices, our products will rise in price due to heating costs, and they simply will not withstand any competition.
              Quote: srelock
              No one will be able to "sit on the couch", it is impossible to turn away from economic mobilization

              And where is this mobilization?
              1. +21
                17 January 2019 18: 47
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And where is this mobilization?
                laughing
                And where do we have these heroes of capitalist labor? Industrialization? Collectivization? Cultural Revolution? No answer. One continuous stagnation in all sectors of the economy. Decultivation and the decline of morality. Urya Chubais and Medveput!
            2. +15
              17 January 2019 18: 54
              No one can "sit on the couch"
              that is, we will be in the same trench with Gref and Rottenberg?
              1. +3
                18 January 2019 09: 35
                But this is a good option, most of them didn’t even need an automatic machine)))
            3. -7
              17 January 2019 19: 19
              A completely unfounded forecast! Are you scaring people? What for?
            4. +9
              17 January 2019 19: 27
              Quote: srelock
              Quote: Underwater Hunter
              .. Those who voted for Putin probably now tear their hair ..
              Why's that? But we want a strong country, with a large army, navy, we want to fly into space ... all this requires a lot of resources. And since the population is not large, it is necessary to work more and more efficiently for the same RFP.

              Over the next 5 years, real income (the money that citizens can spend on themselves) will not change, and tariffs (utilities, electricity, fuel, etc.) will grow at least twice (+ inflation), and together deductions to budgets will grow with them.

              I’ll add on my own: "Nobody will be able to sit on the couch," it is impossible to turn away from economic mobilization Yes

              If this is such humor. That is not so subtle. The people are now not too disposed to understand where thinly humor, and where thick. Immediately throws minuses, which, however, can not be offended, brings the population to power condition.
              1. -15
                17 January 2019 22: 28
                Mordvin 3
                Svetlana
                Gardamir
                Victor N
                Leshy1975

                Dear proletarians, remember one important thing: "In order for someone to live well, someone will have to live badly for this."
                And as you can guess, this one that is "bad" is you wink
                The statement is true not only for people, but also for states. The agreed sanctions (and not only) policies of a number of countries have led many external sources of benefits to us to be covered by a female hairy basin and now we need to compensate for this, moreover, on our own (hello to import substitution).

                Suppose that earlier your employees (your home, cattle, garden, children, etc.) watched your household, and you went to work and simply paid for their labor. And now, FSE, the shop has closed, you need to go to work and do the rest yourself. You would be happy to hire someone from the outside, the surplus from foreign trade is already 8 trillion wooden, but to hell to you - sanctions.
                Yes, you are now on grandmas, and who will work? laughing

                I’ll add that 8 trillion is about half of our budget and the monetary equivalent of the benefits that our country has not received from the outside, and for healthy growth we really need these lost vitamins, minerals, and more.
                Therefore - all e .. sew! ... in the framework of labor law of course good

                https://topcor.ru/4769-pochemu-neftjanye-sverhdohody-rossii-nas-ne-kasajutsja.html
                1. +11
                  17 January 2019 22: 38
                  Quote: srelock
                  Yes, you are now on grandmas, and who will work?

                  No, no, this is not about us proletarians. What kind of employees and grandmothers do we have? If grandmothers, so only those who sit at home and look at their grandchildren. So the text has to be fixed. With a clear indication of the persons responsible for such a situation. love
                  1. -7
                    18 January 2019 05: 40
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    No, no, this is not about us proletarians.

                    Your opinion is very important for the country, but not interesting ...
                    Kindly stand in line and not you ... you Yes
                    1. +2
                      18 January 2019 09: 41
                      Are you sure that SUCH A STORY is needed? Oh, indescribable it ...
                      But you don’t seem to understand, then re-read something somehow - if possible, of course))
                2. 0
                  19 January 2019 15: 11
                  So you yourself for whom? For the red or for the white?)))
                  Repeat the known is not great valor. Make a choice and follow the path, wow.
                  Socialism-Communism just allows you to solve the problems of human existence.
                3. 0
                  19 January 2019 20: 58
                  Well, well, finally, there was someone who opened our eyes to us all)))) such as that they won’t give us money from oil, but we hoped so)))
                  And you will probably work, rather than me, although the framework)).
              2. +2
                18 January 2019 03: 57
                ..they throw according to the general line of the party ..
            5. -10
              17 January 2019 20: 58
              You are reasoning correctly, comrade! The time is not easy now. Despite the difficulties, we need to rally around the President even more!
              1. -6
                17 January 2019 22: 30
                Quote: Kot28
                ... rally even more around the President!
                Here in this place a little bold came out :)
                1. -4
                  17 January 2019 22: 35
                  Not fat at all. Most of all.
              2. 0
                19 January 2019 15: 13
                Inappropriate banter. Come on with specifics.
            6. +5
              17 January 2019 22: 57
              And since the population is not large, it is necessary to work more and more efficiently for the same RFP.

              Over the next 5 years, real income (the money that citizens can spend on themselves) will not change, and tariffs (utilities, electricity, fuel, etc.) will grow at least twice (+ inflation), and together deductions to budgets will grow with them.
              Lord, what nonsense ... What place do you think?
              1. +1
                18 January 2019 09: 43
                This colleague wrote this NOT for this purpose ...
            7. 0
              19 January 2019 09: 57
              The last phrase is just golden!
          9. -7
            17 January 2019 21: 23
            Are you for the horse?
          10. 0
            18 January 2019 11: 18
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            Merry year .. Those who voted for Putin probably now tear their hair ..

            It's right. Plus, when we once again admire Navalny’s search talents, we must remember that behind him is the same team of effective owners with the same program, or even more fun.
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          1. +5
            17 January 2019 16: 12
            Cool picture. Although I think the frost in these places is not from the jet stream. It's just warmer there
          2. +3
            17 January 2019 17: 47
            In the north of China, winter is like in Siberia. In Harbin, -30 normal temperatures in winter.
        3. +5
          17 January 2019 16: 16
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: 210ox
          and not with Canada for example

          we can’t even be compared with them; our annual average is lower than zero;

          Clearly:

        4. +11
          17 January 2019 16: 19
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          we can’t even be compared with them; our annual average is lower than zero;

          And electricity is cheaper.
        5. +14
          17 January 2019 16: 35
          After the pension reform, the Duma thought generally withered out. Let them honor the history of the Russian revolution. Wanted a pitchfork?
          1. +21
            17 January 2019 17: 08
            From their brains only devotion to their own pocket and regime, which allows you to fill this pocket.
          2. +5
            17 January 2019 19: 44
            There will be no revolution. Social networks is the place where steam is released. Let them be indignant at the TV or at the computer than on the streets, I think this is the main thing for the authorities, therefore they are different; shows, reasoning, chatter that does not lead to anything.
            1. +10
              17 January 2019 21: 02
              The hopes of the youths nourish.
              The network releases steam, but for the time being ...
              1. +1
                18 January 2019 03: 53
                Well, we graze here and nothing changes. you can write as much as you like, the government here in social networks does not respond. yes, in principle, and hell will answer.
                1. +1
                  18 January 2019 09: 46
                  Did you expect, or are you expecting an immediate result? Here it will definitely not be)
          3. -13
            17 January 2019 21: 03
            But given that this reform stretches retirement at age 65 until 2028, and for women right up to year 2034, everything is fine - for 15 years real people will live longer.
          4. +1
            18 January 2019 04: 00
            ..and they were at the Duma - these same brains ..
      2. +37
        17 January 2019 15: 25
        Chubais - (chubas, chubys, the Germans (?) Have a chubais, a red imp) in the lower mythology of the Great Russians and Latgalians - a little malicious house spirit. Ch. Was portrayed as a pot-bellied red rat "with a face like a human."


        It can nevertheless poison it with dust, because there is no way to reduce it anymore! am
        1. +28
          17 January 2019 16: 02
          Yes, personally, I’m for reliability - I approve of the dumping of how many small nuclear bombs have been grown !! What a scholar as then from Kvachkova did not leave negative What would this geek with a guarantee of 148% died. good
          1. +8
            17 January 2019 16: 14
            Quote: Mih1974
            What would this geek with a guarantee of 148% died.

            Then polonium!
            1. +18
              17 January 2019 16: 15
              I offer a "polonium ice ax" in the head up to the handle itself good am
              1. +1
                18 January 2019 12: 30
                ... to the devil’s number consecrated in the church ..
        2. +7
          17 January 2019 16: 55
          Rat, in a word ..
        3. +8
          17 January 2019 17: 11
          Chubais is a pawn; But it’s harder to deal with cartridges. They are all for the people as one care. Redhead is a bad cop, but one who is outside the parties and generally outside of anyone cannot be grabbed by the ass.
      3. +54
        17 January 2019 15: 26
        Quote: 210ox
        What climate do we live in?

        we live in Russia, and State Duma deputies are behind the cordon. They come to Russia to earn money
        1. +18
          17 January 2019 15: 52
          I think the day when Chubais will stand trial will be a turning point in the history of Russia!
          1. +9
            17 January 2019 19: 33
            Quote: Minai
            I think the day when Chubais will stand trial will be a turning point in the history of Russia!

            That's for sure. This will definitely be a radical turn. Because he alone cannot appear there either. Only if together with his entire team: Putin, Medvedev and the rest of his friends from the 90s. Wow, the holiday will be.
        2. +8
          17 January 2019 15: 53
          And who is this most obstructed?
          Novak commands the Ministry of Energy - let the Ministry of Energy, some Institute of Energy Production Prospects, Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, one of the power engineers :: Let each of them draw up an analytical note on the health of the electric power industry since 1985 and in 2030. By comparing these works, we find out who needs to be kicked out of work with a bang (at the same time, the organization must be dispersed or reassigned), and we launch really good work in energy supplying and generating organizations at the level of territories, republics and regions as a guiding document at which level we will determine together with UPC, the degree of success of their work.
        3. +12
          17 January 2019 16: 23
          It is necessary to dissolve this bunch, and then they too have come off from the people, from which various crazy ideas climb into my head.
          1. +11
            17 January 2019 18: 01

            It’s necessary to dissolve this bunch, and then they are too detached from the people

            Of course it is necessary, only they themselves will not bloom ....
            1. +1
              18 January 2019 12: 33
              ... flying them flying ...
        4. AUL
          +22
          17 January 2019 16: 31
          The very theme of the “low efficiency of the electric power sector”, which is conducted by representatives of the political and economic circles of Russia, seems to be a prologue to the next reform.
          And the whole reform is reduced to stupid increase in prices for e-mail. energy. As a pension "reform" - it is stupid to raise the retirement age.
          1. -6
            17 January 2019 21: 08
            One of the ways to improve energy efficiency is the replacement of all transformers and substations with new ones. As well as the introduction of digital meters in all industries and at home.
      4. +40
        17 January 2019 15: 27
        Quote: 210ox
        often heat the street.


        the same street on which there is no street lighting for about 15 years in most regions of Russia. The wastefulness of modern Russia and the world can be seen from space at night. All central and Western Europe sparkles with lights and we have only a few large cities illuminated at night and all the rest live in the period before the existence of "Ilyich's bulb".
        There is no street lighting, but now they want to ban the light in their house.
        Already stood out next pearls from Edra.

        The deputy of the City Duma of Chita, Ekaterina Borisova, argues:

        "In general, according to logic, they need to cut off the light at night, as they do in our dachas, and they will not be heated"

        "People don't need to cook food at night, which is why they need light. That is, everyone is normal people sleep. And so that they don't get heated, I said the way out - turn off, say, from 12 am to 6 am, the electricity, as is done in dacha cooperatives, when it turns out the same problem, because it is impossible to force people to pay, they have no money and, it turns out, it will come to the point that we will pay these defaulters at the expense of conscientious residents in order to pay off these debts "
        1. +36
          17 January 2019 15: 55
          Quote: lopvlad
          "In general, according to logic, they need to cut off the light at night, as they do in our dachas, and they will not be heated"

          it is necessary to cut off the light in the Duma, a completely useless and sometimes harmful institution for Russia
        2. +12
          17 January 2019 16: 01
          Well, what can you do :: this fool doesn’t understand that they, loafers, are elected not for our life’s nightmare, but for these Liber villains to take care of improving our living standards, but we need to ensure that the money content of these dipu- depends on whether our life has improved, or vice versa.
          Then, the villains will understand who they serve and what they need to do for this.
        3. +9
          17 January 2019 21: 52
          Now they are discussing the introduction of electricity consumption standards and taking more money for excess. So they will establish such norms so that there is an overspending because their task is to remove more money from the people. What further logic can come up with? Well, they say that people eat a lot and introduce food cards, and if you want to eat more pay double the price. Morazmu has no limits
      5. +34
        17 January 2019 15: 36
        Quote: 210ox
        What kind of stupidity ... What climate do we live in? Why do we compare it with China and not with Canada, for example. Although I partially agree, we often heat the street.

        This is not stupidity, it’s preparation for the introduction of quotas for electricity consumption, which the government recently stuttered about. In short, they will rob again.
        1. +15
          17 January 2019 16: 22
          Quote: Sayan
          This is not stupidity, it’s preparation for the introduction of quotas for electricity consumption, which the government recently stuttered about.

          in Crimea, mom has a quota of 150 kilowatts per month. With gas and with a minimum of electrical appliances (refrigerator, iron, TV), it barely fits into the quota
          1. -2
            17 January 2019 17: 05
            Quote: Silvestr
            in Crimea, mom has a quota of 150 kilowatts per month.

            I’m embarrassed to ask, what kind of quota is this and what document has been established? In Sevastopol, I have not heard anything about this.
            1. +5
              17 January 2019 18: 09
              Probably pr. Crimea. Quota, as I understand it, for disabled pensioners at a reduced price. Above the quota, the price is kilowatts at the total cost
              1. +4
                17 January 2019 19: 15
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quota, as I understand it, for disabled pensioners at a reduced price.

                I looked at the situation in Sevastopol, I think in the Crimea about the same.
                The population with a gas stove up to 150 kWh - 3,16 rubles, 150-600 - 3,72 rubles, more than 600 - 6,16
                with electric stove up to 250 kWh -2,43, 250-600 - 2,84, more than 600 - 6,16. Why so detailed?
                If your mother does not meet the 150, then the tariff will not increase much. Where is the bigger jump after 600 !? So there is nothing particularly fatal in the situation with your mother, and there is no particular need to fall in the Middle Ages.
                1. +8
                  17 January 2019 19: 52
                  Quote: Den717
                  in the middle ages there is no special need

                  This is for us, and pensioners think differently: they count every penny, although I help her. Here she needs to meet the quota, at least crack.
                  Thanks for the numbers, I will continue to work with her.
                  1. +3
                    17 January 2019 20: 06
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Here she needs to meet the quota, at least crack.

                    Our parents have such a desire - to do what is due, and thank them for that. Probably easier to help than trying to re-educate smile
                    1. +8
                      17 January 2019 20: 25
                      Quote: Den717
                      Probably easier to help than trying to re-educate

                      It's right. Why bring up the elderly already. It is useless, and resent it. Old hardened people do not want to be a burden.
                    2. +6
                      17 January 2019 22: 38
                      Quote: Den717
                      Probably easier to help than trying to re-educate

                      I’m leaving for Crimea, asking: what should I bring? ”“ I don’t need anything, my brother needs something ...
                      Sometimes you grumble at her for her "modesty", God grant her health, and we'll buy the rest for her
                      1. 0
                        18 January 2019 10: 24
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Sometimes you grumble at her for her "modesty", God grant her health, and we'll buy the rest for her

                        True they say, it is necessary to grow up to asceticism, we, unlike the generation of our parents, are still slaves of comfort and things. And parents for their children are always ready to give the last. God willing, and we will acquire these qualities over time.
                  2. +7
                    17 January 2019 22: 27
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Here she needs to meet the quota, at least crack.


                    these are Soviet people and are used to believing that the state will take care of them and will not give up in a difficult situation.
                    It seems that the authorities are taking revenge on the people for the fact that the people in the 90s dared not only survive but also saved Russia.
                    1. +7
                      17 January 2019 22: 36
                      it’s good that we have a mother 2. And who has no children? Trumpet!
                      1. +6
                        18 January 2019 00: 03
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        good that we have a mother 2


                        the main thing here is not the number of children, but their attitude to parents. Otherwise, you can end up with 10 children in a nursing home, and your own children will determine there. In Russia, the life expectancy of old people is 90% dependent on the care of their own children.
                        Now, from every iron and transfer, young people are taught that putting their parents in a nursing home is the highest form of concern for them.
                      2. +6
                        18 January 2019 00: 13
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        parents to a nursing home

                        with live children? Only a bastard can do this. And then...
                        The same thing awaits him
                      3. +3
                        18 January 2019 02: 20
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        with live children? Only a bastard can do this


                        Well, so far, though by inertia, the pushing of Russia into the West continues. And in the West, this is the norm where all efforts are devoted to the destruction and depreciation of family ties and the general blurring of the role of man, woman in the family.
      6. +23
        17 January 2019 15: 47
        Solovyov’s morning program included information on energy consumption per capita in different countries. Russia 6539 kW / h, Iceland 52376, Canada 16406, Norway 23174, USA 13227 Finland, 15742 Sweden 14029. This is our waste and inefficiency.
        1. NKT
          +13
          17 January 2019 15: 54
          It would also be nice to bring the average annual temperature on the street, as well as the temperature in the room.
          Keep +18 in the apartment when -2 ... 0 few people want it.
          1. +12
            17 January 2019 16: 07
            I don’t know how reliable it is, but it looks very true
            1. +5
              17 January 2019 16: 19
              It is clearly not reliable with Kaliningrad and the Southern Federal. More precisely, those temperatures are in the regions of Russia. In different regions of the country, the average temperatures are different. Here we need to consider the number of people living in the regions and the cost of energy supply. And so if you take into account throughout the country, it is possible and true -0,6 degrees. Yes, and Crimea, why not Russia? Is the map Polish?
              1. +1
                18 January 2019 08: 47
                The fact of the matter is that the whole country is taken into account, and we have places where, to put it mildly, colder than in Scandinavia. The map is taken from the resource whose address is shown in the picture, but whose I do not know. But most likely European on this and the Crimea is not where it is necessary.
        2. +20
          17 January 2019 16: 13
          they just sell electricity over a hill! And we are being rubbed that we spend a lot, so that more would be left abroad. For example, a thermal power plant in the village of Olgino, near Peter, drives electricity to Finland. All electricity, almost.
        3. Underwater hunter
          +13
          17 January 2019 16: 34
          Quote: Servisinzhener
          Solovyov’s morning program included information on energy consumption per capita in different countries. Russia 6539 kW / h, Iceland 52376, Canada 16406, Norway 23174, USA 13227 Finland, 15742 Sweden 14029. This is our waste and inefficiency.

          Serfs should not use electricity .. see such logic in Chubais and Co.
        4. +3
          17 January 2019 17: 44
          Quote: Servisinzhener
          Solovyov’s morning program included information on energy consumption per capita in different countries. Russia 6539 kW / h, Iceland 52376, Canada 16406, Norway 23174, USA 13227 Finland, 15742 Sweden 14029. This is our waste and inefficiency.

          Is this, taking into account the whole complex of industrial power-consuming capacities in the country? From this all about efficiency, no conclusion can be drawn, but to evaluate production in our country as not very strong, it is possible, and even that, with a large share of approximation. Some numbers are awkward. Much more interesting is the annual consumption of apartments, households, depending on the number of family members.
        5. +4
          17 January 2019 17: 54
          Thanks Andrew, very indicative figures. Still, would you quote the cost of kW / h in different countries for the population and enterprises. That's what the Duma had to say
        6. +7
          17 January 2019 19: 37
          Quote: Servisinzhener
          Solovyov’s morning program included information on energy consumption per capita in different countries. Russia 6539 kW / h, Iceland 52376, Canada 16406, Norway 23174, USA 13227 Finland, 15742 Sweden 14029. This is our waste and inefficiency.

          Pancake. Well, you understand very well that this is all just an excuse, justification why everyone will be shaken upside down, like pinocchio. While at least something rings in the pockets of the population, the current government will not stop.
      7. +4
        17 January 2019 16: 48
        On this occasion there was even a question from experts: Which city is south of Washington or Tashkent?
      8. +9
        17 January 2019 17: 01
        But didn’t Redhead carry out reforms for many years? Once such an ineffective brought to the handle something to the wall of it ...
      9. -3
        17 January 2019 18: 52
        I myself observe the following picture: my relatives in the Russian Federation pour water and fire electricity when necessary and not necessary. people are sitting in one room, and the lights are on throughout the house. When I come to visit, I go everywhere and turn off after them. And they say: "Why are you soaring, it (electricity) costs a penny". and I tell them: if you paid as much as I pay for electricity in Germany, you would immediately start saving. - I have all the light bulbs at home only LEDs so that they consume as little as possible. In short, he is right about one thing, Chyubi, that Russians are wasteful of electricity.
        1. +7
          17 January 2019 22: 50
          The Bolsheviks made electricity available and cheap for the Russian people. And lovers of wild capitalism of the 19th century, like you, sleep and dream of driving the Russian people into the stall of "civilized" European countries.
          1. -6
            18 January 2019 05: 17
            please do not confuse accessibility and wastefulness. Perhaps when tokomaki will work everywhere in the backyards, and the solar panels will be integrated into the walls of the houses, when you, stomping along the sidewalk, will produce some kind of watts that will be used to illuminate the streets or work of traffic lights, then it will be possible to reason in another way. and people like you just wasting limited resources and polluting the environment.
            1. +2
              18 January 2019 19: 29
              Tell tales further. I don't litter around me. I throw the garbage into specially designated places. But people like you on vacation near the river leave packages and throw bottles out of the windows of their cars. And then with aplomb such as you talk about the "extravagance" of the Russian. Look at yourself in the mirror, and then express your thoughts.
              At the moment, Russian officials are building nuclear power plants abroad, and not at home. After all, at home it is much more convenient to raise electricity prices and chop it off at night from 00:00 to 6:00 and at the same time speak about the inefficiency of the electric power industry through the lips of enemies of the people.
      10. +6
        17 January 2019 21: 00
        Quote: 210ox
        Why compare with China, and not with Canada for example. Although I partially agree, we often heat the street.

        95% of the Canadian population lives in the climatic conditions of Ukraine. To supply gas and oil from Yamal, it is necessary to spend on energy for its transportation and maintenance of repair of transport systems. By road length, Russia corresponds to the United States. Why do not these deputies think that in order to maintain such an infrastructure, energy consumption in Russia should be at the level of the USA. In general, all the actions of the Chubais clique have so far harmed Russia. Why won't his new plans continue these traditions?
      11. +1
        18 January 2019 09: 22
        The efficiency is really low ... But this is due to the technical part - they did not come up with their own equipment with high efficiency for the stations (they did not have it in the Union, and even after that), and someone else's is expensive and it is not always possible to buy ... Yes and the networks are not at their best ... But this does not relieve the responsibility of the "cat and ko" themselves, who in the 90s thought more about drinking property than about modernization ...
        1. 0
          18 January 2019 19: 31
          As if now they are thinking about modernization)))))
      12. +1
        19 January 2019 09: 03
        We heat the street, but here is the fault of consumers in what? Why do we have to pay more for the fact that Chubais built a curved system?
      13. 0
        19 January 2019 09: 47
        Do not cut a chip! Electric boilers and electric underfloor heating will be banned, buy more gas! Preferably in balloons .... Long-range politics.
      14. 0
        19 January 2019 12: 44
        We heat the street of the oligarchs
      15. 0
        19 January 2019 14: 57
        Are we heating the street for free? Or do we live in a solidarity society? In principle, it is my business to heat the street or not to heat the street, what does Chubais need? I do not meddle in his personal life with tips and ideas. Or maybe I have a lot of ideas.
    2. +40
      17 January 2019 15: 12
      But the truth is. Yesterday Chubais’s winged saying appeared, today on Mail an article about how foreigners are shocked by our attitude to energy ... Something tells me that we are on the verge of a grandiose schukher. A windmill or something to put in the country ... Although they will tax it ... Something is wrong with the country
      1. +17
        17 January 2019 15: 16
        I personally do not care about the shock of "foreigners". The main thing for me is that the house would be warm in winter and cool in summer. And how I achieve this at a lower cost, the government should not worry.
      2. +24
        17 January 2019 15: 16
        One dumbass said a crowd of freaks supported, everything is as usual
        1. +9
          17 January 2019 15: 30
          Quote: Egorovich
          One dumbass said a crowd of freaks supported, everything is as usual

      3. +9
        17 January 2019 15: 17
        Quote: shark
        A windmill or something to put in the country ..

        A windmill cannot be set closer than 150 meters from the dwelling ... you will be protected from sound, just like your neighbors. True, there is a vertical windmill, it is quieter, but also very noisy.
        In Japan, in my opinion, they put windmills on balloons that raise it to a height of 150-250 meters, where there is constant wind. Such an installation once in 6 produces more energy.
        1. Underwater hunter
          +5
          17 January 2019 15: 25
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: shark
          A windmill or something to put in the country ..

          A windmill cannot be set closer than 150 meters from the dwelling ... you will be protected from sound, just like your neighbors. True, there is a vertical windmill, it is quieter, but also very noisy.
          In Japan, in my opinion, they put windmills on balloons that raise it to a height of 150-250 meters, where there is constant wind. Such an installation once in 6 produces more energy.

          A topic with a windmill is generally unprofitable, at least for the time being and yes, it is very noisy. The most interesting thing is the solar panels, but it is clear where there is a lot of sun ..
          1. +7
            17 January 2019 15: 27
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            A topic with a windmill is generally unprofitable, at least for the time being

            You are mistaken ... here is a windmill on a balloon, which is very profitable ..

            This is the kind of windmill I had in mind ... pay attention, it is three-hazardous ... and at the same time, very effective.
            1. Underwater hunter
              +9
              17 January 2019 15: 36
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Underwater Hunter
              A topic with a windmill is generally unprofitable, at least for the time being

              You are mistaken ... here is a windmill on a balloon, which is very profitable ..

              This is the kind of windmill I had in mind ... pay attention, it is three-hazardous ... and at the same time, very effective.

              No exactly this windmill, perhaps effective .. But then you need to calculate how much it will cost, how much it will cost to service, then correlate it with today's tariffs and it turns out that it will pay off for 200 years .. and then, if I have over such a balloon will arise at home, I'm not sure that no service will come, with a request to remove it 20 meters lower, otherwise a fine or something else.
          2. +8
            17 January 2019 15: 31
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: shark
            A windmill or something to put in the country ..

            A windmill cannot be set closer than 150 meters from the dwelling ... you will be protected from sound, just like your neighbors. True, there is a vertical windmill, it is quieter, but also very noisy.
            In Japan, in my opinion, they put windmills on balloons that raise it to a height of 150-250 meters, where there is constant wind. Such an installation once in 6 produces more energy.

            A topic with a windmill is generally unprofitable, at least for the time being and yes, it is very noisy. The most interesting thing is the solar panels, but it is clear where there is a lot of sun ..

            There was an article on the resource, where the topic of the windmill was discussed in detail, an absolutely unprofitable not profitable thing, like electric cars!
            1. +4
              17 January 2019 17: 15
              like electric cars!

              Well I do not know. In the Far East, Nissan leaf became popular, which is charged through an outlet, since the AI-92 is in the limit of 50 p. per liter.
              1. +10
                17 January 2019 17: 21
                I'm not talking about popularity! In short, we (electric cars) are steaming them under a wrap of environmental friendliness, such as protecting nature! But in terms of how much it is necessary to burn coal, fuel oil, gas at thermal power plants and their emissions into the atmosphere, an ordinary car turns out to be more environmentally friendly and energy efficient! Everything is calculated, if the whole world is transferred to electric cars, then all the generated electricity will not be enough to charge them!
                Director of the Kurchatov Institute Mikhail Kovalchuk said it well.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olQEHBIgbWA

                look
                1. +2
                  17 January 2019 17: 32
                  But in terms of how much it is necessary to burn coal, fuel oil, gas at thermal power plants and their emissions into the atmosphere, an ordinary car turns out to be more environmentally friendly and energy efficient!

                  And you can burn sunlight, wind, uranium and fusion. And in the domestic plan, everything is determined by the price of AI-92.
                  1. +5
                    17 January 2019 17: 35
                    Quote: ruigat
                    And in the domestic plan, everything is determined by the price of AI-92.

                    So this is not a question of energy efficiency and environmental friendliness! This is a matter of human greed! Alas. hi
                    1. +6
                      17 January 2019 17: 44
                      This is a matter of human greed!

                      The greed of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
      4. Underwater hunter
        +16
        17 January 2019 15: 20
        Quote: shark
        A windmill or something to put in the country ... Although they will tax it ... Something is wrong with the country

        Our government will certainly impose any special tax on the lucky ones who have survived to retirement .. and windmills are all the more so ..
      5. SSR
        +12
        17 January 2019 15: 23
        Quote: shark
        But the truth is. Yesterday Chubais’s winged saying appeared, today on Mail an article about how foreigners are shocked by our attitude to energy ... Something tells me that we are on the verge of a grandiose schukher.

        And then, everything is as usual)))
        Deputy Minister of Finance of Khakassia Galina Spiridonova, outraged by the fact that officials were appointed bonuses in the amount of 200-500 percent of the monthly salary, was fired allegedly because she had expired the contract. This was reported by RBC with reference to the head of the Office of the Press Service and Information of the head of the region, Irina Butenko.

        - The Deputy Minister of Finance of the Republic of Khakassia, Galina Spiridonova, was dismissed on December 26, 2018 due to the expiration of the contract, she said.

        This is a whole caste of bandits.
        Quote: shark
        A windmill or something to put in the country.

        Taxes and duties will be imposed on lost profits (at least). wassat
      6. +18
        17 January 2019 15: 27
        Quote: shark
        Something is wrong with the country.


        has long been
      7. +8
        17 January 2019 15: 38
        Quote: shark
        Something is wrong with the country.

        Well, yes, not that, they are trying to rob people, steal something that they did not steal in the 90s and zero under new beautiful pretexts (reconstruction, optimization (this is about healthcare)) and they got to the energy sector. The most interesting thing is that Chubais has no relation to the energy sector on the basis of what figures and what analytics did he draw conclusions about inefficiency and its size?
        1. +12
          17 January 2019 16: 00
          Quote: DenZ
          on the basis of what figures and what analytics did he draw conclusions about inefficiency and its size?

          Chubais looked for a long time at the light bulb on the ceiling in the kitchen and thought ... "here it shines, but I have no profit from this" and gave birth to the idea of ​​the inefficiency of the Russian energy system)))
        2. +7
          17 January 2019 17: 07
          They didn’t get it, this is the 2nd stage, it became a little ...
          And the energy was cut into pieces and given into private hands for a long time, giving a lot of money past the pocket of the state ...
          And the redhead carried out these reforms ... And now they started talking about inefficiency ... But there are no guilty ones, as always, and nothing to do with Chubais)
      8. +5
        17 January 2019 19: 04
        After the 35 minute there will be information on today's topic.
        1. +5
          17 January 2019 22: 06
          Quote: Svetlana
          After the 35 minute there will be information on today's topic.

          Tell me, who is this, Mr. Delyagin? Doctor of Economics? Has he even brought a boot kiosk to real profit? Theorist of pure water. Speaks softly, do not take away. How many do we have? Railway carriage? two? Only the real economy has no one to steer. Half of Moscow in TV studios hang out and buy our sympathies with harsh expressions. Their ideological lines are more like a missile defense. And what is behind them? Channel rating and advertising money. If he would accept the Omsk or Kurgan region and bring it to donor subjects, he could be listened to. Chatterbox. I am not for Medvedev, not for Navalny, and not for Grudinin, it’s just sickening to look at these sleek faces, which are the only ones capable of it, like weaving tank cables with the tongue.
      9. +3
        17 January 2019 19: 24
        Quote: shark
        Windmill or something to put in the country

        Calculate what the installation of a windmill and its operation will get out into; you will live by candlelight on "joys". Rather, the dacha will want to sell. smile
        1. -5
          17 January 2019 21: 13
          You can make this windmill yourself - screw type.
        2. 0
          18 January 2019 04: 43
          ... there are such concepts: heat pumps, thermocouples, solar panels ... and other * things * that are capable of generating electricity ...
          1. +1
            18 January 2019 10: 20
            Quote: ver_
            ..there are such concepts: heat pumps, thermocouples, solar panels ... and other * things * that can generate electricity ...

            Give an example when they are more efficient and cheaper in the construction and operation of 5-7 years of the proposed electricity.
            1. +1
              19 January 2019 09: 23
              ... I was not very interested in this topic, however - the metal fence around the estate and the * battery * of metal sheets buried in the basement of the house will create a good battery due to the temperature difference in the winter on the street - 40 degrees and in the basement +10 degrees. ..
              1. 0
                19 January 2019 09: 39
                Quote: ver_
                metal fence around the estate and * battery * metal sheets

                I think that you yourself understood that this is not salvation .... laughing
                1. 0
                  19 January 2019 09: 54
                  ... why, a small windmill (in Central Asia) is used by nomads .., and solar panels are used on the roof of the house ... People are much fond of fiction ...
                  1. 0
                    19 January 2019 09: 58
                    Quote: ver_
                    a small windmill (in Central Asia) is used by nomads ..,

                    But you are not a nomad. And your needs are not like that of a nomad, I mean the quantity, power and dependence of our household appliances on the constancy of some characteristics of energy efficiency, which is difficult to achieve when using renewable energy sources (solar, wind).
                    1. 0
                      19 January 2019 10: 04
                      ... there are still batteries for this - which reserve extra energy for future use ..
                      1. 0
                        19 January 2019 11: 05
                        Quote: ver_
                        there are still batteries for this

                        No one talks about the lack of technical solutions. It's about the economics of their use. If in doubt, build, poyuzayte, calculate the costs, and then share the real live experience. I think many questions will disappear.
                      2. 0
                        19 January 2019 11: 30
                        ... in America this is practiced - there the state makes accounting and offset of such energy ..
                      3. 0
                        19 January 2019 11: 39
                        Quote: ver_
                        in America this is practiced - there the state makes accounting and offset of such energy ..

                        And How? Did you get up a lot in windmills?
                      4. 0
                        19 January 2019 11: 54
                        ..in our country, it’s practiced to charge electricity for houses that aren’t even connected to the electric networks - the ships reached ..- a daisy madhouse ..
                      5. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 01
                        Quote: ver_
                        ..in our country, it’s practiced to charge electricity bills to houses that are not even connected to electric networks

                        And in some states it is forbidden to tie crocodiles to hydrants or to release elephants into the street without a leash. So what? Everyone goes crazy in his own way. The practice of paying for electricity without connecting in Russia, where, how much, etc.? (if it is not a fan surge)
                      6. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 07
                        ... my head is not a computer, this topic was ..
                      7. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 18
                        Quote: ver_
                        this topic was ..

                        I believe in this when I see specific criminal cases. But magazine articles and talk shows of various kinds are manipulations of public opinion, an attempt to impose other people's thoughts on us for incomprehensible purposes.
                      8. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 19
                        .. what claims to me - look for you in your hands, look ..
                      9. 0
                        19 January 2019 12: 24
                        Quote: ver_
                        what claims to me

                        I’m not showing you anything. I express my opinion, and nothing more. I will not search, it is not interesting. To compare your life with someone else’s abroad (which is practiced in America) is also there, there are your own cockroaches. And if they are even in a coffin with a smile, then they have reason.
      10. +5
        17 January 2019 19: 40
        Quote: shark
        But the truth is. Yesterday Chubais’s winged saying appeared, today on Mail an article about how foreigners are shocked by our attitude to energy ... Something tells me that we are on the verge of a grandiose schukher. A windmill or something to put in the country ... Although they will tax it ... Something is wrong with the country

        Of course not. And mind you, for a long time. "Thanks to the authorities" the people at least began to notice and understand this. Awareness of the problem is the first step towards solving it.
      11. +4
        17 January 2019 21: 03
        Quote: shark
        A windmill or something to put in the country.

        The cost of energy from a windmill will be an order of magnitude higher than from an outlet. Put the money that you intend to spend on windmills and spare parts in the bank and pay interest on electricity for yourself and you can still pay the bills of a neighbor-pensioner.
    3. Underwater hunter
      +17
      17 January 2019 15: 18
      Quote: NEXUS
      The polls approving the protege of the GDP.
      is a prologue to the next reform.

      As in "Wedding in Malinovka" - "it means they will rob."

      I didn’t doubt it .. even in the last topic about Chubais, he said that if Chubais offers it, it will be like Kudrin .. Chubais in the 90s wanted to put 30 ml of the population, for the sake of reform, then he succeeded .. and now you can see his time is back ..
      1. +6
        17 January 2019 19: 43
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        Quote: NEXUS
        The polls approving the protege of the GDP.
        is a prologue to the next reform.

        As in "Wedding in Malinovka" - "it means they will rob."

        I didn’t doubt it .. even in the last topic about Chubais, he said that if Chubais offers it, it will be like Kudrin .. Chubais in the 90s wanted to put 30 ml of the population, for the sake of reform, then he succeeded .. and now you can see his time is back ..

        His time and the time of his team (Putin, Medvedev and other friends) have not stopped since the 90s. I hope that their time is ending. Well, at least they behave exactly like they walk for the last time. No worries about the consequences.
      2. 0
        19 January 2019 09: 28
        ... his toad cannot strangle himself ...
    4. +11
      17 January 2019 15: 29
      So who is the main GDP in Russia or Chubais? Under Chubais, at least an ode to hydroelectric power stations or nuclear power plants was built?
      1. Underwater hunter
        +17
        17 January 2019 15: 38
        Quote: private person
        So who is the main GDP in Russia or Chubais? Under Chubais, at least an ode to hydroelectric power stations or nuclear power plants was built?

        What I am sure of is that this is one team. Who is in charge of them is not very clear .. maybe we don’t know about him.
        1. +3
          18 January 2019 04: 53
          ... pi, none of them knows how much money they get (their salary) ... Neither Putin nor Medvedev ..
      2. +5
        17 January 2019 16: 02
        The answer is no! For it is not capable of building !!!! am
      3. +10
        17 January 2019 17: 09
        Under Chubais, the unified power system was divided and handed out in private hands.
        This is all his reforms.
        1. +1
          18 January 2019 15: 34
          Yes! so it is. This bastard only destroys and destroys, steals and sucks blood!
      4. +12
        17 January 2019 17: 31
        In Russia it turns out to be a semi-presidential republic. I read what it is that I learned that the president is not the head of state, but ... the wedding general
        1. 0
          19 January 2019 09: 30
          ... yeah - running errands, like the operetta minister of defense ..
      5. +6
        17 January 2019 21: 31
        Quote: private person
        So who is the main GDP in Russia or Chubais?
        Who! Well, if not me, then John Conner! Surprisingly, without a war, even a nuclear one, they destroy us like cockroaches ...
    5. +9
      17 January 2019 15: 51
      Quote: NEXUS
      The polls approving the protege of the GDP.

      ???????? Maybe EBN?
    6. +7
      17 January 2019 15: 55
      Interestingly, in his modest house, Chubais also saves by European or Chinese standards ... or on a grand scale - in Russian
      1. +1
        18 January 2019 15: 35
        in Hebrew. as in a joke - at his own expense he drinks with one spoon of sugar, he loves with two, and if for free, he puts three
      2. 0
        19 January 2019 09: 31
        ... and he is Russian? ..
    7. +16
      17 January 2019 15: 57
      Yes, the chest opens quite simply. Many are not in the subject, but Chubais has now reached "unprecedented" heights in his "Rosnan", one might say a "breakthrough" in the electric power industry - he began to produce "unsurpassed" solar panels and wind turbines. Only now the price of electricity from these devices turns out to be very interesting and the consumer twists his finger at his temple. Therefore, we urgently need to equalize the price of electricity from conventional sources with the price of electricity from nanotechnologists, otherwise there will not be enough money for the next corporate event.
      Something like that.
      1. 0
        18 January 2019 16: 16
        Quote: Iline
        Chubais has now reached "unprecedented" heights in his Rusnan

        For the sake of objectivity, I looked for what Chubais had achieved with his Rusnano. "... By the end of 2017, the state will receive almost 540 million rubles from Rusnano ...."
        As they say - even a wool tuft ... wink
    8. +11
      17 January 2019 16: 18
      I came across this video ...
      Ah yes Zhirinovsky !!! - How could you know about this in 2012?
      Prophecy of Zhirinovsky ...

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    10. +16
      17 January 2019 17: 46
      Overhead costs, with the current number of officials, eat up half of the country's budget. Computers and office equipment are purchased once every few years, so 90 percent is spent on salaries and a lot. And what was the number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the USSR? - 230 thousand in 1953. You will not believe how much it is in Russia today, and therefore I will not say anything. The power itself has driven itself into a dead end: the factories and factories are standing - hucksters have settled in the shops for a long time and for a long time. There is zero production, shopping centers are mushrooming. In general, Russia was turned into a trader. Neither officials nor traders can be driven out into the street, chaos will begin in the country. Stalin in the most difficult conditions created jobs, cost large factories, factories, transferred agriculture to an industrial basis, and this was practically greenhouse conditions, but no, they went through the industry worse than Hitler. And Chubais is like a banner for them and therefore they cling to him like a lousy for soap. 0,04 rubles cost kW / h during all Soviet times, although at that time Chubais were made up for "commerce" on the Nevsky and flea markets or traded in flowers.
      1. -5
        17 January 2019 21: 16
        Yes, there are zero products, but not raw materials exports last year - 170 billion dollars.
    11. +1
      18 January 2019 03: 44
      ... for that state fool and was created ..
  2. +6
    17 January 2019 15: 06
    that the actual system itself was formed with the active participation of Anatoly Chubais. So it is time for him to admit the fact of absolutely incompetent reform activity on his part.


    ,, so when their income fell, they did not move the beds. They * staff changed.
    1. +18
      17 January 2019 15: 14
      we do not have any other "personnel" ... and will not be in the next 6 years ...
      so getting ready for another robbery ...
  3. +30
    17 January 2019 15: 08
    It should be noted here that the actual system itself was formed with the active participation of Anatoly Chubais.
    Here!
    If the system created by the red is deemed ineffective by him, let the redhead go to the wall and his personal and family property is confiscated. So that all his relatives with bare opoi set out to build roads in the Kuriles. Then you look and the rest will begin to think about the consequences of their anti-people, anti-Russian and anti-human actions. On penal servitude.
    1. +9
      17 January 2019 15: 43
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      If the system created by the redhead is recognized by him as ineffective, let the redhead go to the wall, and his personal and family property is confiscated.

      And do not say who supported this system (introduced)? Redhead was neither prime minister nor president, formally even the opposition (extremely liberal) party was supported and financed. Maybe due to energy and reforms in it. winked
    2. +4
      17 January 2019 19: 48
      Quote: stock buildbat
      It should be noted here that the actual system itself was formed with the active participation of Anatoly Chubais.
      Here!
      If the system created by the red is deemed ineffective by him, let the redhead go to the wall and his personal and family property is confiscated. So that all his relatives with bare opoi set out to build roads in the Kuriles. Then you look and the rest will begin to think about the consequences of their anti-people, anti-Russian and anti-human actions. On penal servitude.

      Putin will not give up his friend (although rather a boss). Either all together, or no matter how.
  4. +38
    17 January 2019 15: 11
    Chubais says nonsense. First of all, we have our own electricity, like oil and gas, our natural advantage. Why should we overpay for them. Second, people and so many save-LED lamps, inverter refrigerators and washers, LCD TVs. Every day, the authorities are trying to justify the rise in price of life in order not to make changes in domestic politics. Gref said yesterday that we did not need engineers. The clinic is generally complete.
    1. +13
      17 January 2019 15: 42
      Gref must be given to the pathologist
      1. +15
        17 January 2019 16: 00
        So after all, not his one !!!, but with comrades!
      2. 0
        19 January 2019 09: 44
        .. even lobotamia will not help him - there is only one bone ..
    2. +15
      17 January 2019 15: 47
      Quote: Altona
      and so many people save-LED lamps, inverter refrigerators and washers, LCD TVs. Every day, the authorities are trying to justify the rise in price of life,

      That's because they save, energy revenues and fall, but mainly because industry is destroyed and continues to collapse. I don’t know for today, but a few years ago in one of the regions, electricity sales decreased by 2% over the year. Yesterday I wrote, I repeat: the filling of the feeder has decreased, hence the howl!
      1. +10
        17 January 2019 15: 48
        Quote: victor50
        Yesterday I wrote, I repeat: the filling of the feeder has decreased, hence the howl!

        --------------------
        This is clear. Therefore, "someone needs to eat less" and not raise prices for the population.
        1. +4
          17 January 2019 15: 59
          I just read that Chubais advocates raising the price of electricity for the rich! Benefactor! wink
      2. Alf
        +7
        17 January 2019 20: 57
        Quote: victor50
        Yesterday I wrote, I repeat: the filling of the feeder has decreased, hence the howl!

    3. +7
      17 January 2019 15: 53
      No, this is far from a clinic! In clinics, people who have become ill are treated, and these are healthy (unfortunately!). The term agent of influence is more suitable for them. am
    4. +6
      17 January 2019 16: 02
      Industry must work with the world price of energy or subsequently become uncompetitive in the global market. In addition to this cost, energy for industrial production gives an erroneous guide to the development of new technologies, which is disastrous. For a different population, at a given level, the salary in Russia leads to social inequality because inflation grows and the additional purchasing power of population decreases. Just like that, the energy will linearly lower the price. They can only do not be smart about ice or dullness. To balance the price, energy with the world price needs a complex selective medium-term program that will provide both time and industry and the population and the Central Bank will be prepared. So the nada will selectively and gradually increase the price of the average planned rock with a clear distinction between population and industry! Once the price drops this way, it’s simply impossible to do so for the sake of industry and for the people and for the state. Yet Chubais nada is new to school, but because of his mistake, he must be rejected earlier and that means he didn’t manage to cleverly create something at the bottom of the post and even to the janitor if he doesn’t show the result. His work influences the life of millions of people, and this is a huge responsibility. He himself said that it is necessary to subscribe to the market, but he didn’t subscribe to his illiteracy, so he’s cleaning!
      1. +13
        17 January 2019 18: 13
        Quote: Wolf
        Industry must work

        Let's clarify one thing. Do you have a Google translator? Try to print your thoughts in your native language and translate - it will be easier for us to understand you.
        With regard to competition in a market economy. The price of the final product is made up of different components. You must agree that the productivity of a press stamping car body blanks is much higher than the productivity of a thousand tinsmiths. And the issue of low cost of electricity in this case only increases the profitability of the process. Let the news of the world "stand up for gopki" (as my mother says - she is 84 years old) and bangs her head against the wall, but if Russia is a source of huge electrical potential, then with a cost price of 50-70 kopecks per kWh, the end consumer cannot pay for this kW / hour to a reseller (intermediary) on average 4-5 rubles. He is not obliged to pay 8,2 rubles, because the country's energy system is closed, which means its transfer and transformation from any source to any point in the country.
        In the USSR, at a cost of kW / h, it cost 2-4 kopecks (for a consumer, depending on the group), while the cost of travel in public transport is 5 kopecks - a trolleybus, subway. A bottle of vodka cost 2, 87 rubles or 2,75 without the cost of the dishes. Today, the electricity in my city costs 3,15 r per kW / h, the trip on a trolley bus is 20 rubles and a bottle of vodka is 249 rubles (not the most expensive). What change has occurred and in what? at a cost of kW / h 3,15, travel by car should cost 8 rubles, and a bottle of vodka - 2750 rubles !!! fellow Based on what principles has this pricing policy been drawn up in our country? The country's reserves of clean fresh water are estimated at billions of cubic meters. There is a source in the city (the water of which was recognized by the sanitary and epidemiological station back in 1998, corresponding to the highest quality indicators). What can I say, if the delivery of drinking water filled containers from it (free of charge) and "sniffed" it to "moneybags" (and just wealthy residents) who move only by car, like an artesian. He still beats in the area of ​​the 1st Zarechnaya. And who does it belong to? Who should charge for its use? And how many such sources are there in Kuzbass in total?
        Let the authorities first tighten their belts and bring their incomes in accordance with the constitutional provisions on the equality of citizens to the right ... But this is evidently in a referendum (similar to the Swiss one) we need to resolve controversial issues of this nature. And the basis for any price increase should be a reasoned calculation, and not the opinion of the "thief" Chubais, who used 272 rubles from the budget for the needs of the Rusnano corporation and returned only in 000:
        At the end of 2017, RUSNANO for the first time paid dividends to the state in the amount of 530 million rubles

        If this gentleman is worried about electricity tariffs? Don't worry. Payment for the electricity consumed by the "electric bullet", on which 77% of Russians want to plant it (what a strange coincidence with ...) will be paid by citizens in excess of sms-kami (just in case) lol
        1. +2
          17 January 2019 18: 40
          Ross the problem with the cost of energy is consequential. If the energy supply is cheap, the energy will be produced by the energy-intensive product, and the Katori spends a lot of energy. Correctly say in Russia energy is a lot and this is not only important, but such a product is not competitive on the world market. We have a good example of an American car. He spends like trucks, because he is heavier and bigger and they need more engines. In the USA, they are sold but nowhere else, in the USA gasoline is cheaper, I think the price is lower than in Russia. This ruined the edge of industry in the USA, hundreds of tons of people lost their jobs, and cities got ghosts. This rule evenly influences the industry. Also you can see it in Russia with the engine Lada they spend about 20-30% more than foreign analogues. In Russia, it’s not important that gasoline is cheap, but if I buy a car in Serbia, it’s important how much she eats, it’s the same as bi, I wanted to buy Vesta because Ruska and has full dignity because of the engine, I won’t because my restrictions will come. If Russia wants bi LADA to become a world player among engineers, it must be a world of input, so for the machine it is important how much it eats and weighs. For population, the rules are not the same. This is a vast topic.
          1. +4
            17 January 2019 18: 49
            This is also important for aircraft manufacturing, and this is already a strategic line of industry for Rossiu and for the machine tool and for all industrial products.
          2. +3
            17 January 2019 21: 38
            Quote: Wolf
            Also you can see it in Russia with the engine Lada they spend about 20-30% more than foreign analogues

            ------------------
            It is not true that VAZ has long been owned by the Renault-Nissan concern and has access to its technologies. Engines have long been comparable in fuel consumption (7l / 100km) and environmentally friendly with European ones. For a long time there is no carburetor injection, everywhere an injector.
            1. +2
              17 January 2019 23: 41
              Environmentally yes, no fuel consumption! Altona in Russia eats the most advanced manufacturers in the world of turbine engines for aircraft, they have the most advanced technology in the world !!! They can create technology for the production of turbines for the engine behind the machine. And for LADA there are no turbines on engines? What do you think of why? And do you think that Renault Nisan will admit that the bi beat the advanced engine in LADA?
              1. +1
                18 January 2019 07: 51
                Quote: Wolf
                Environmentally yes, no fuel consumption!

                ------------------
                This means that the Renault plant is the most "backward" in Europe, its Largus engine (which is essentially pure Renault) eats a lot. As for turbines in engines with dimensions 1,1-1,4 (Skoda and Volkswagen), your advanced "manufacturer" specially puts plastic parts into the turbine, apparently guided by the "theory of utility" so that it burns out faster in the thermally active zone and the consumer buys a new part.
                the economy should beat the student with the international division of labor
                --------------------
                The Soviet economy participated.
                1. +1
                  18 January 2019 12: 52
                  Renault is not the most left but Wagen lushchi. In Russia, I said maybe Lehko produces an advanced turbine for an engine for an engine; I didn’t talk about the Germans. The problem is why they are still not in LADI! The Soviet economy has nothing to do with it.
      2. +4
        17 January 2019 21: 33
        Quote: Wolf
        Industry must work with the world price of energy or subsequently become uncompetitive in the global market.

        ----------------------------
        I put you a minus for this thesis and difficult language. Although you further developed the idea that the price for industry and the population should be calculated, a linear increase is stupid and so on. In the USSR, in fact, the price of electric energy for industry was higher, everything was calculated through the interindustry balance and everything was comparable at the official dollar exchange rate. Another question is that in the future the Gosplan system was torpedoed, back under the USSR, statistics ceased to reflect the real state of affairs, part of the economy went into the shadows and disavowed the calculated indicators. For new technologies, the question is complex, because energy consumption does not directly affect new technologies. In order for the electric stove to work, it is necessary to burn fuel, convert energy, lose part of it in total. Therefore, we decided to supply gas directly to the houses, proceeding apparently from such considerations. How could this directly affect the design of an induction cooker, for example? Another point is that stimulating progress can be economic, that is, taxing obsolete energy-consuming industries without directly increasing the cost of electricity.
        1. +3
          17 January 2019 23: 30
          Altona in the USSR was beaten in full by the planned economy (the market did not affect the price). This finally hit the application of the Marxist Labor Cost Theory. This theory works only in conjunction with the utility theory. What happened afterwards? As an example, the nail manufacturer had a plan to launch 1.000 tons of nails and what did he do? Until he fulfilled the plan, he would start up more than the nail itself, and then the rest, which, as a result, led to a shortage of the nails themselves and the beating of the heavy ones. That the bi will please the needy, the authority increased the plan, and this led to even more production of non-demanding heavy nails! Then eat suvishak heavy nails with a new stove and for production. If the planned economy is illogical, it is logical if there is no market and the real value of the goods! There is a manufacturer of nails that bi has now gone bankrupt in Russia for a year. Everything else was calculated through the intersectoral balance and at the official dollar exchange rate ??? Alton for what in dolars? You can argue a lot with respect to planned economics, but believe it, without a market, just entropy resources and ice labor. Yet Russia is a superpower by all means, but it has beaten a successful cathor. The economy is developing, the student should beat the international labor market as a student, this means that it means that you import and export something, and that bi exported it must have competitive goods. Without real appreciation of input, your industry cannot beat competitively in the global market in the long term! Etc.......
          1. +3
            18 January 2019 07: 43
            Quote: Wolf
            Until he fulfilled the plan, he would start up more than the nail itself, and then the rest, which, as a result, led to a shortage of the nails themselves and the beating of the heavy ones. That the bi will please the needy, the authority increased the plan, and this led to even more production of non-demanding heavy nails!

            -------------------------------
            This was not the case. We have hardware factories, for example, "Krasnaya Etna" in Nizhny Novgorod produced a wide range of hardware. The plan was given to release one position instead of another. Everything is somehow one-sided with you. You say that we are completely stupid here and could not be reconstructed for another production. The old leadership, which was sitting in its places, wanted to change nothing, the inertia of its thinking. The USSR did not need the dollar in the calculations, everything was calculated through the ruble, just when comparing everything was correlated. And about the "lack of demand" for Soviet goods. We had such brothers as the Vietnamese and Bulgarians, so when they left the USSR, they stole radiators, stoves, columns, furniture from houses where they lived, and removed linoleum. And the Vietnamese generally bought and sent home everything, from aspirin tablets to motorcycles and refrigerators. Such was the "bad" Soviet consumer goods industry.
    5. +8
      17 January 2019 16: 54
      Quote: Altona
      Electricity, firstly, we have our own like oil and gas, our natural advantage

      Not for a long time already ours. And them. And though they drive it to where it is more profitable to sell.
    6. -3
      17 January 2019 21: 18
      Gref said - you are probably listening to him alone - and it is clear that Sberbank does not need engineers.
  5. +23
    17 January 2019 15: 12
    Wang. Will not. Raise electricity tariffs. As for the energy intensity of GDP. In China below? Or maybe China is just SOUTHERN? And in Europe - the Gulf Stream. And in Yakutia - minus 40 - is this normal? Will this red-headed bastard ever get away?
    1. +8
      17 January 2019 15: 39
      Itself will not go down. And it’s unlikely, kind people, they will. Guarded as president.
    2. +6
      17 January 2019 15: 41
      There was a rumor that our energy is supplied to China cheaper. I heard something like that
    3. +9
      17 January 2019 15: 54
      [/ quote] [quote = Mountain shooter] Wangyu. Will not. Raise electricity tariffs. As for the energy intensity of GDP. In China below? Or maybe China is just SOUTHERN? And in Europe - the Gulf Stream. And in Yakutia - minus 40 - is this normal? Will this red-headed bastard ever get away?

      Yeah, about identity retirement reform, many also voted ..
  6. +13
    17 January 2019 15: 13
    "..... agreed with the assessment made by Mr. Chubais .... from whose Mr.?
    Maybe just transplant these "Mr.", life will become easier, and even without Chubais, it is definitely easier, the thief should sit.
    1. +2
      18 January 2019 07: 57
      Quote: LeftPers
      Maybe just transplant these "Mr.", life will become easier

      They themselves will not be imprisoned. Then who?
  7. +12
    17 January 2019 15: 13
    Again the robbery of the population. If God wants to punish someone, he robs his mind. These figures are cut off from greed — the population is second oil, but oil is combustible material and extinguishing it oh how difficult.
    1. +4
      17 January 2019 15: 49
      Quote: tank64rus
      Again the robbery of the population.

      Well, it has not yet begun (except for the already established tariff increase twice a year). The reaction is being tracked! And there it will be seen ... laughing
  8. +10
    17 January 2019 15: 15
    Well, fellow citizens, for the red duck the inflow of capital has decreased. We open our wallets and stretch our pockets so that the last tears will not tear when the power begins to rummage shamelessly in these pockets. If the redhead blurted out, then the question is resolved.
  9. +5
    17 January 2019 15: 17
    How many wolves do not feed ....
    1. +16
      17 January 2019 15: 24
      got excited, however ... what kind of wolf is he ??? ... so ... red-headed jackal ...
  10. +7
    17 January 2019 15: 20
    Well, everything is clear. although improving the efficiency of the system through its modernization is not considered, and it’s not surprising because officials are comparing CHINA! which is not quite in the same latitudes as the Russian Federation ... for a long time it is time to switch to the language of threats in relation to this redhead ummm ... uhh ................... .............. could not =)
  11. +16
    17 January 2019 15: 20
    Well, how can I, for example, at home, increase energy efficiency? I have LED lamps, I have a class A + energy technology, and I don’t have pools. Turn off the last light and go live in the taiga and engage in subsistence farming? Then Chubais will be fine, you can sell even more very cheap electricity to China. Why do our citizens need it, they only consume resources that can be pounded for American rubles. Technologies need to be implemented modern, and not to shift everything to the people.
  12. +19
    17 January 2019 15: 21
    I won’t be surprised if soon the pink-cheeked supporters of the pension reform all at once will talk about what happiness it is to save on TVs, refrigerators, heaters, light bulbs ... and some kind of cattle will report another explosive increase in income, but the creature will be Siluan (or another) aloud, they will marvel at the strange reaction of the Russians, in general: uraaaaa, we are in a breakthrough
    1. Alf
      +6
      17 January 2019 21: 00
      Quote: vanavate
      I won’t be surprised if soon the pink-cheeked supporters of the pension reform all at once will talk about what happiness it is to save on TVs, refrigerators, heaters, light bulbs ... and some kind of cattle will report another explosive increase in income, but the creature will be Siluan (or another) aloud, they will marvel at the strange reaction of the Russians, in general: uraaaaa, we are in a breakthrough

      And the leader will say, the decision is difficult, but necessary.
  13. +3
    17 January 2019 15: 22
    Let all these tricks begin with themselves, at least they will teach geography, I have everything.
  14. +12
    17 January 2019 15: 22
    The degree of discontent in society begins to artificially inflame odious personalities like Chubais ...
    something bad is going on in our country ... I really do not like such a statement, not only in essence but also in the context of the policy of the Medvedev government ...
    what's happening?
    1. +9
      17 January 2019 15: 30
      I beg you, do not write the nickname the hell with a capital letter, especially by night.
    2. +18
      17 January 2019 15: 31
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      what's happening?


      money ran out of power, squandered all the profits. Now they think what to patch up holes in the budget. The branches of government are simply sophisticated in the stupidity of inventing new taxes for the population
    3. +7
      17 January 2019 15: 37
      One of my acquaintances, some of his acquaintances from the FSB, blurted out saying they take the family and run, although the pier was already late. So think about that ...
      1. +6
        17 January 2019 16: 55
        We all will die. OBS.
      2. +5
        17 January 2019 22: 23
        Quote: Valdemar
        One of my acquaintances, some of his acquaintances from the FSB, blurted out saying they take the family and run, although the pier was already late. So think about that ...

        And after that, someone habits the housing management of our house? belay
    4. +8
      17 January 2019 15: 43
      Partners bring us to the Maidan. That's what happens. And beyond the Maidan, Russia’s ripped apart and the cessation of its existence as a state.
      1. +8
        17 January 2019 18: 21
        Quote: shark
        And beyond the Maidan, Russia’s ripped apart and the cessation of its existence as a state.

        As long as there is an army, there will be no "torn". Moreover, some civilians may not hope for the people's forgiveness and the integrity of the "skin" if they bring the country to this ...
        "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless."
        1. +1
          17 January 2019 21: 10
          Quote: ROSS 42
          As long as there is an army, there will be no "torn".

          Tsar the father apparently thought the same. There is a point of view that it was the General Staff in 1917 that relied on the Bolsheviks.
  15. +18
    17 January 2019 15: 22
    Citizens are to blame, to blame for this - to blame for everything ... they simply interfere (beautifully) with living such as Chubais with their mere existence. Familiar song....
    It will follow - let them pay for the fact that they themselves are to blame!
    So far, all Chubais’s reforms in the energy sector have led to the emergence of numerous gasket companies and the loss of huge amounts (paid by residents of services). The quality of services and the condition of networks and reforms did not have a positive effect - it became even worse somewhere.
  16. +11
    17 January 2019 15: 22
    Who has a "Bentley" that does not care how much gasoline.
    So who objects to the fact that the iron was enough 100 watts instead of 2 kW, etc. Tighten scientists and industrialists, let them introduce electrical appliances of lesser, but sufficient power. So you will be provided with the loading of production and reduced energy costs. You can connect the accumulated nanotechnology, let Ryzhiy report on his achievements.
    1. +8
      17 January 2019 18: 24
      Quote: Mihail Yanov
      Who has a "Bentley" that does not care how much gasoline.

      And whoever has an AK-47 does not care who sits there in a Bentley ... lol
  17. +14
    17 January 2019 15: 24
    The head of the Duma committee on energy, Pavel Zavalny, stated that Russia "is indeed one of the most energy-intensive countries in the world."

    So it would be better if he told at what price electricity is supplied to China and at what price to residents of the Far East. And then the Chinese in our markets laugh, their electricity bought in Russia is cheaper than in Russia itself, buy from us, we will sell you "cheap" ...
    1. +5
      17 January 2019 16: 31
      Ask how much electricity is in Abkhazia. Be surprised.
      1. +4
        17 January 2019 16: 37
        Quote: Andrew NM
        Ask how much electricity is in Abkhazia. Be surprised.

        And "lope"? I pay 4 r 50kop per kWh.
        1. +4
          17 January 2019 17: 03
          From December 21 2018, in accordance with the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers of Abkhazia:
          Consumer category rub. for 1 kWh
          - individuals who consume electricity for domestic purposes 0,40
          - legal entities, individual entrepreneurs 0,85
          –State bodies and budget institutions (with the exception of educational and health institutions) funded from the republican budget, as well as consumers equated to them, including objects of the RF Ministry of Defense and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation deployed in the territory of the Republic of Abkhazia 0,95
          - Government bodies and state institutions (with the exception of education and health institutions), financed from the local budget 0,60
          - non-profit organizations in the field of health and education 0,30
          - objects of electrified railway transport and RUE "International Airport of Sukhum named after V.G. Ardzinba" for the purposes of power supply of the airport 0,20
          - enterprises and organizations of housing and communal services in terms of electricity consumed for street lighting and water supply 0,15
          - enterprises and organizations of housing and communal services in terms of electricity consumed for street lighting and water supply 0,15
          - objects of electrified urban transport 0,10
          - processing of electricity by departmental substations RUE "Railway Administration" 0,02
          - non-resident consumers of the Republic of Abkhazia 1,20
      2. +5
        17 January 2019 18: 28
        Quote: Andrew NM
        Ask how much electricity is in Abkhazia. Be surprised.

        Why do we need Abkhazia?
        Irkutsk Region RUB 1,01 kWh fellow good
        Chukotka Autonomous Okrug 8,2 RUB kWh crying negative
        1. -4
          17 January 2019 21: 20
          Tidal power plants in Chukotka are needed.
  18. +7
    17 January 2019 15: 24
    If it was not announced on the Vremya program that Anatoly Borisych is a swindler, it means that the country is alive and well.
    That's when its hosts of Channel One will be declared responsible for everything - then - yes!
    In the meantime, after ex-colonel Zakharchenko and ex-governor Khoroshavin, the small district official of the Serpukhov district is confidently leading. How are things in the whole area?
    1. +4
      17 January 2019 21: 15
      Quote: Sergey-8848

      If it was not announced on the Vremya program that Anatoly Borisych is a swindler, it means that the country is alive and well.

      Even more. Or Chubais Russians themselves will forbid themselves to be exploited so mercilessly. Or his place on the neck of the peoples of Russia will be taken by the Americans, Chinese, or Ishilov’s. It is possible that they will even be more modest.
  19. +5
    17 January 2019 15: 24
    In particular, Pavel Zavalny, the head of the Duma energy committee, said that Russia "is indeed one of the most energy-wasteful countries in the world." Zavalny made a statement in which he agreed with the assessment made by Mr. Chubais.
    We recruited liberals "Euro-American", the Europeans have nothing to do with the government and they feed us with demagoguery to steal even more, how can one compare, for example, Russia with the United States, which lies in the northern latitudes and where resource costs in the energy sector are colossal, even with Canada cannot be compared, the northernmost territories there are not as populated as ours ...
    1. +9
      17 January 2019 15: 39
      And about the "miracle-economic" Israel, I am silent, why are they so "wise" did not build paradise in Birobidzhan and how cockroaches ran to build it in warm latitudes ??? Our energy-intensive chubais, on the Kolyma, to raise the economy with real deeds ...
  20. +8
    17 January 2019 15: 24
    send a redhead to cut down the forest to estimate the production of "unit of equivalent fuel" !!!
    1. +3
      17 January 2019 18: 30
      And in order to save energy, let him live in a tent by candlelight and potbelly stove ... Yes
  21. +6
    17 January 2019 15: 26
    Again we are waiting for an increase.
    Nothing, we will tolerate a bit, a dozen other new taxes have been paid, and a bright future will certainly come.
    1. Alf
      +3
      17 January 2019 21: 02
      Quote: GerKlim
      and a bright future will certainly come.

      But not with us.
  22. +10
    17 January 2019 15: 27
    According to Zavalny, about a third of these volumes are consumed by the fuel and energy complex itself (fuel and energy complex). The MP said that it is necessary to reduce the level of energy consumption by at least 20% According to my views of the amateur, the deputy with an eloquent surname said nonsense. After all, the climate of Siberia is more severe than the climate of Europe and most of China, so you need to spend more fuel. Does the deputy agree to move to Yakutsk, and there to lower his level of consumption? Not sure!
  23. +10
    17 January 2019 15: 28
    The more I hear nonsense from these, the more I respect Bulgakov's work, "Heart of a Dog"!
  24. +11
    17 January 2019 15: 29
    Scum. Russia has cheap resources and more energy than consumption. Duma faction of pro-American Nazis continues to destroy Russia
  25. +17
    17 January 2019 15: 33
    Everything is simple. Europe closes nuclear power plants and coal-fired power plants. There is not enough electricity. We must take it somewhere. Russia is selling, but not very much, more is needed. In order to have more electricity for sale, it is necessary to reduce domestic consumption. For this, there are several upper ranks in Russia who carry out all kinds of economic sabotage. That's all
    1. +3
      17 January 2019 18: 41
      Quote: rzzz
      In order to have more electricity for sale, it is necessary to reduce domestic consumption.

      Not this way. No. To increase the supply of electricity for sale for currency, it is so necessary for (???) it is necessary either to introduce new capacities (as it was):
      Starting activity in 2005, Kiriyenko set himself strategic goals - to build 40 new nuclear power units in Russia in 25 years and increase the share of nuclear power plants in the country's total electricity production to 25%. In fact, by the time Kiriyenko resigned in 2016, out of the planned 40 new power units, three were commissioned - with a total capacity of 3,1 GW

      In 2005-2006 the average annual growth rate of energy consumption doubled. At the same time, due to depreciation of fixed assets, it turned out to be impossible to increase electricity production. There was an acute shortage of electricity [135]. This was manifested in the accident in the Moscow power system on May 25, 2005, when Moscow and several other regions of the country were completely de-energized during the day.

      As a result of structural transformations, the transmission of electricity through electric networks and dispatching remained in state ownership, and the production and sale of electricity passed into private ownership. A system of wholesale electricity markets was created. In 2007-2008 18 out of 20 planned IPOs were carried out, which allowed attracting 945 billion rubles to generating capacities in the electric power industry. private investment.

      On May 31, 2008, the last meeting of shareholders of RAO UES of Russia took place. Since July 1, 2008 RAO UES has been liquidated and divided into 23 independent companies, including 2 state-owned and 21 private.

      or limit domestic consumption by increasing prices:
      The statement of Anatoly Chubais that Russia has developed a low-efficient energy consumption system and that the situation can be corrected either by raising tariffs or by introducing restrictions has caused a wave of critical responses from ordinary Russians.
  26. +7
    17 January 2019 15: 34
    Two Jews: Zavalny and Chubais want to fuck all of Russia
  27. ZVS
    +5
    17 January 2019 15: 37
    All these chubais with overwhelming (bulk) apparently never even got the slightest idea about weather conditions and average annual temperature in Russia. When will the idiocy of the upper echelons of political cease to march across Russia?
  28. +13
    17 January 2019 15: 41
    The logic of Chubais is that if electricity is made expensive, people will invest in energy-saving technologies and will consume less of it. But in order to invest, you must have money, and people do not have this money because the tariffs are too high. Chubais is engaged in the eternal affair of the Russian liberals - he simply destroys the country
  29. +8
    17 January 2019 15: 41
    What can I say? If you recall:
    ... time to get down to business,
    Let's hurry to the battle as soon as possible.
    Are we afraid of rati
    The phantom power of kings?

    All that holds their thrones
    The work of the hand ...
    We’ll fill the cartridges ourselves
    Screw the bayonets to the guns.

    With holy faith in our work,
    Closely close the ranks
    We will fight bravely
    With the yoke of damned need.

    Overthrow the mighty hand
    Depresses Fatal Forever
    And hoist over the earth
    Red banner of labor!
  30. +11
    17 January 2019 15: 43
    It’s probably time to sharpen the pitchfork, but move to Moscow ....
    1. +4
      17 January 2019 20: 26
      Quote: nick.guda
      It’s probably time to sharpen the pitchfork, but move to Moscow ....


      And that’s it ... (For starters).
      1. +4
        18 January 2019 00: 26
        Quote: Separ DNR
        And that’s it ... (For starters).

        Will not anoint! Aspen County (Aspen Stake) and under the stone.
  31. +6
    17 January 2019 15: 49
    The very theme of the “low efficiency of the electric power sector”, which is conducted by representatives of the political and economic circles of Russia, seems to be a prologue to the next reform.

    The increase in electricity tariffs is not all "nishtyaks" that are being prepared for us.
    Further there will be limits for consumers on the consumed electricity. We will be set a limit in which we can’t fit, which means we will pay more, well, about 40 percent.
    And so that we do not have the desire to cheat with a limit, they will put smart meters with remote monitoring to everyone (they have long been writing about limits and smart meters)
    Well, the last "nishtyak": the allowed power of our equipment will be added to the smart meter program (when the lights were on, we received all the technical conditions, everything is written there), and if the limit is exceeded, either the meter will be cut off, or fines will be rolled out.
  32. +8
    17 January 2019 15: 50
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Underwater Hunter
    energy appreciation, read that by 24%,

    They forgot to put a comma after the two.

    I’m afraid that it’s not a comma after two, but zero after a quarter.
  33. +10
    17 January 2019 15: 54
    Pension reform carried out-rolled-now preparing people for new electricity tariffs. Effective managers rule!
    1. +5
      17 January 2019 16: 16
      They rule like Poroshenko without drying out.
    2. Alf
      +2
      17 January 2019 21: 04
      Quote: gx200gx
      Pension reform carried out-rolled-now preparing people for new electricity tariffs. Effective managers rule!

      Zaputintsy! Where are you ? Explain this maneuver.
  34. +5
    17 January 2019 15: 55
    There is a competition, who fools dumber and louder, liberals in power or bloomers who make nonsense for hype, energy consumption is not a negative indicator, negative low energy efficiency, Chubais’s tales are not about her. And in terms of energy consumption per capita, we are in 29th place after Ireland, and there the climate will be softer.
  35. +4
    17 January 2019 15: 55
    In particular, the head of the Duma committee on energy, Pavel Zavalny, announced that for some reason he seemed wiser.
  36. +7
    17 January 2019 15: 58
    This tatuped, as well as the voucher, I propose to work for 1 ruble a month - to try it out after the meetings, or instead of them. In my opinion, the voucher needs to be sent to cut down the "rosnyunya", to close it completely, and to the deputies to reduce their salaries TEN TIMES, especially since they receive it in vain! There is no benefit to the country from them! !!
  37. +6
    17 January 2019 16: 05
    Industry must work with the world price of energy or subsequently become uncompetitive in the global market. In addition to this cost, energy for industrial production gives an erroneous guide to the development of new technologies, which is disastrous. For a different population, at a given level, the salary in Russia leads to social inequality because inflation is growing and the purchasing power of the population is decreasing. Just like that, the energy will linearly lower the price. They can only do not be smart about ice or dullness. To balance the price, energy with the world price needs a complex selective medium-term program that will provide both time and industry and the population and the Central Bank will be prepared. So the nada will selectively and gradually increase the price of the average planned rock with a clear distinction between population and industry! Once the price drops this way, it’s simply impossible, it’s very harmful and for industry and for the people and for the state. Yet Chubais nada is new to school, but because of his mistake, he must be rejected earlier and that means he didn’t manage to cleverly create something at the bottom of the post and even to the janitor if he doesn’t show the result. His work influences the life of millions of people, and this is a huge responsibility. He himself said that it is necessary to subscribe to the market, but he didn’t subscribe to his illiteracy, so he’s cleaning!
    1. +3
      17 January 2019 16: 19
      The wolf ends up writing in such a style, otherwise I’ve started to drip blood from my eyes and my eyes twitch))))
      1. +4
        17 January 2019 16: 24
        I will be in the future. :)
      2. +7
        17 January 2019 16: 35
        This is someone non-Russian who writes, but thinks correctly.
        1. +4
          17 January 2019 16: 54
          Serb, it seems.
          1. +8
            17 January 2019 17: 09
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Serb, it seems.

            Yes, this is our friend Serb) Yes, he writes clearly, let him write as best he can.
            1. +2
              18 January 2019 08: 24
              Sorry, but I thought a person was just kidding, writes with a high calm.
    2. +11
      17 January 2019 16: 27
      In addition to this, it is necessary to take into account the climatic conditions, so it is impossible to beat the price of energy like in Hawaii, when there the industry doesn’t spend energy on heating and in Russia almost 8 months should be heated.
  38. +11
    17 January 2019 16: 07
    Russia "really is one of the most energy-intensive countries in the world." Zavalny made a statement in which he agreed with the assessment made by Mr. Chubais.

    The only surprise is that RUSNANO is not one of the most wasteful companies? And the surname Zavalny evokes the same associations ...
  39. +7
    17 January 2019 16: 11
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: shark
    A windmill or something to put in the country ..

    A windmill cannot be set closer than 150 meters from the dwelling ... you will be protected from sound, just like your neighbors. True, there is a vertical windmill, it is quieter, but also very noisy.
    In Japan, in my opinion, they put windmills on balloons that raise it to a height of 150-250 meters, where there is constant wind. Such an installation once in 6 produces more energy.

    Anyway, where to put it - they will not let him use it. In Chernyakhovsk there is an entrepreneur-collector, in the territory of his factory installed a small wind turbine with a generator. But the factory at the entrance to the city, and still need to get to residential buildings. So I never saw him as a worker, because even a man with money in a small town could not break through such a free electric power.
    I hope in other regions not so.
    1. +5
      17 January 2019 16: 32
      I don’t know, we have a couple of towers with windmills standing, working. EMF is produced, if I’m not mistaken, they have a bakery.
      1. +3
        17 January 2019 20: 19
        So I’m saying that I don’t know how with this in other regions.
        Well, if possible somewhere.
  40. +12
    17 January 2019 16: 13
    "Inefficient consumption system" ??? What is this marketing definition?
    Do we have a market economy? Or feudal despotism? How I want and consume! If we talk, then we need to talk about the profitability of enterprises. And the citizens on whom they again want to hang up the construction of new generating capacities are not at all involved.
    But for this power, dearly beloved by the people, there are no moral or economic restrictions, they act as they see it, regardless of anything. The pension "reform" did not give the necessary money, now the weaning will go through electricity and, probably, gas.
    Just animals!
    1. +3
      17 January 2019 16: 18
      So, for the most part, enterprises in private and yours
      How I want and consume!
      fully applies to them.
  41. +6
    17 January 2019 16: 14
    So I’m always wondering how many people really voted for these freaks?
    1. +9
      17 January 2019 16: 26
      Actually, a little. 50% did not come to the polls, of which 50% voted half for them.
      Maximum 25% of the electorate.
      1. +2
        18 January 2019 00: 26
        Maximum 25% of the electorate.

        And half of this electorate is "painted" in the sense of thrown winked
        1. +2
          18 January 2019 01: 05
          It's hard to prove, but I think it is.
  42. +1
    17 January 2019 16: 25
    And what is the relationship between the efficient use of electricity and the cost of 1 kW? An efficient use of electricity should be a business in production, creating more economical equipment. However, they want to increase the cost of kW for the population. Paradox, gentlemen, bright heads. Raise your salary first, and only then the prices. The population is so impoverished, everyone has already been robbed. Remember gentlemen, where is your conscience hidden? Otherwise, the Russians will help you find it.
  43. +6
    17 January 2019 16: 29
    This red-haired scum has already gotten everyone with its "efficiency", only there are no results, or rather there are, only negative ones. Well, and without hangers-on, no business is complete.
    When they put him in the dock, it’s obvious we won’t live.
  44. +7
    17 January 2019 16: 31
    They need to be destroyed, the faster the better, they ditched everything they could, neither the people, nor small, nor medium-sized businesses can not withstand such loads, this all makes us poorer, in Russia the lowest electricity consumption compared to developed countries, Chubais is an ignoramus and a pest.
  45. +3
    17 January 2019 16: 32
    https://vk.com/video-124999723_456240225 советую посмотреть о чем печется рыжик!
  46. +3
    17 January 2019 16: 33
    One question and so many answers: Why is this chupacabra not yet in prison?
  47. +5
    17 January 2019 16: 40
    Add video
  48. +8
    17 January 2019 16: 44
    From Chubais itself, the country is only a nanopolose, i.e. close to zero.
    If not for Putin, then under normal power, he would have long been sewing mittens in Kolyma.
    But Putin defends his friends and seems to hope that they will not surrender him at a critical moment with all his giblets ...
    But this is what he thinks in vain, even as they surrender when they are pressed ... They will not regret it.
    Naivety is a terrible thing.
    Gaddafi was naive at the time ... He also hoped that he would not be surrendered ... Surrendered!
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 12: 47
      ... and can he share? ..
  49. +10
    17 January 2019 16: 49
    This red thief should already be confiscated against the wall, and the deputies of the salary should be mowed every 4 times. Then GDP will be cooler!
    1. +8
      17 January 2019 19: 14
      At exactly ten, they are 60 pieces per eye, they want more, let small enterprises open, on the advice of Medvedev.
      This red-haired hackler compares us with Europe, and the fool drives as if she does not understand that the climate there and average annual temperatures are three times higher than ours. I have a close friend, I was in London at one time, says that there sewer pipes run along the outer walls of apartment buildings, there are no frosts. Gulf Stream however.
  50. +9
    17 January 2019 16: 59
    But isn't Chubais managing RAO UES of Russia, and hasn't he carried out reforms?
    Or they crushed a single energy system, took control of the pieces, squeezed out some money, now they still want to?
    So if all these years he brought the system to the pen with his reforms, then he, as a pest, needs a bullet in the back of his head!
    1. 0
      18 January 2019 09: 56
      Already does not lead. Yes, and this office has long been gone.
  51. +11
    17 January 2019 17: 07
    Even before this news, not knowing about the approval of Chubais’s statement by the Russian State Duma, he wrote:
    "..Judging by Chubais's unsinkability and extreme impudence, he is the most important in the Russian state."
    and life once again confirms this.
    1. +12
      17 January 2019 17: 17
      The style of relationships is successfully conveyed:
    2. +5
      17 January 2019 20: 24
      Quote: aristok
      "..Judging by Chubais's unsinkability and extreme impudence, he is the most important in the Russian state."
      and life once again confirms this.

      There are a lot of these Chubais and other Berezovites hanging around in the Kremlin .. And behind each of them is the West and other citizens of Israel ..
      I feel they are pushing us into trouble again...
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  52. +6
    17 January 2019 17: 10
    and not with Canada for example

    Why not compare? He was treated at the Military Medical Academy in St. Petersburg and a Canadian citizen was in the ward (for a fee). He was shocked by our prices for food - tomatoes, cucumbers, potatoes, eggs, etc...
  53. +6
    17 January 2019 17: 14
    Quote: 210ox
    It is clearly not reliable with Kaliningrad and the Southern Federal. More precisely, those temperatures are in the regions of Russia. In different regions of the country, the average temperatures are different. Here we need to consider the number of people living in the regions and the cost of energy supply. And so if you take into account throughout the country, it is possible and true -0,6 degrees. Yes, and Crimea, why not Russia? Is the map Polish?

    Dmitry!
    Two Nord Streams have already passed us by, but there is no natural gas in Baltiysk.........
    1. +8
      17 January 2019 18: 12
      Igor Borisov_2 (Igor) Today, 17:14

      Two Nord Streams have already passed us by, but there is no natural gas in Baltiysk....

      How so! Just the other day the media blew a fanfare, showing how Putin was opening an LNG terminal in the Kaliningrad region.


      True, the liquefied gas turned out to be from Singapore. lol
      https://www.rbc.ru/business/08/01/2019/5c348f5b9a7947bd26ce6e6d
      1. -6
        17 January 2019 21: 25
        If you read any more jaundice, they will soon write that gas was delivered to Kaliningrad from Mars.
        1. +7
          18 January 2019 00: 20
          Quote: Vadim237
          https://www.rbc.ru/business/08/01/2019/5c348f5b9a7947bd26ce6e6d

          Is RBC a yellow press? Then is there a non-yellow one in Russia?
  54. +9
    17 January 2019 17: 16
    as I said, the air tax is not so far away))) as long as the oligarchy is in power, they will milk us until we riot..
  55. +11
    17 January 2019 17: 24
    The deputy of the City Duma of Chita, Ekaterina Borisova, argues:

    "In general, according to logic, they need to cut off the light at night, as they do in our dachas, and they will not be heated"

    “People don’t need to cook food at night, that’s what light is for. That is, normal people all sleep. And in order to avoid heating, I said the solution is to turn off, say, from 12 at night to 6 in the morning, as is done in dacha cooperatives when I get the same problem.


    And don't go to the toilet. What for? There is no need for light in the toilet, and there is no need for water either. Normal people sleep at night. If you want, go for yourself. In the morning, when the light comes on, there is a small tidy. Awesome future....
  56. +7
    17 January 2019 17: 24
    Putin, you can’t put Chubais in jail, but who told the truth? Colonel Kvachkov put Chubais in prison Rusnano
  57. +5
    17 January 2019 17: 25
    Isn’t Chubais the one who killed the direction of hydrogen energy in Russia? Including projects to create tidal stations in the Far East. We will soon see new technologies in Europe and Japan.
  58. +5
    17 January 2019 17: 36
    The guarantor is at the last deadline, now everything is possible.... They will tax the people to the fullest
  59. +7
    17 January 2019 18: 59
    And where will the efficiency of the electric power industry come from if it is managed, i.e. , electric power industry, people who are far from her. Economists, lawyers, but not energy workers. Moreover, after the collapse of RAO UES of Russia, a mass of princelings appeared, trying to squeeze out everything that is possible and impossible. From here you can observe the picture when there are MRSK supports - a 0,4 kV power line, and 2 meters away, parallel to this line, there are (city) street lighting supports. How is that? What smart guy came up with this? Where is this minister-manager of fuel and energy? Where is the government that allows this? Of course, the easiest way is to raise tariffs. It doesn't take much brains to do this.
  60. +6
    17 January 2019 19: 07
    According to Zavalny, about a third of these volumes are consumed by the fuel and energy complex itself (the fuel and energy complex). The deputy stated that it is necessary to reduce the consumption level of the fuel and energy complex by at least 20%. And the total potential of "energy saving" in the country Zavalny is estimated at 30%.

    And you need to start this decline by turning off the heating in the northern
    pumping stations pumping to warm “efficient” countries.
    Leave heating for the internal needs of the country.

    I’m already afraid to quote Lavrov, but to put it mildly, I would like to visit Zavalny
    Institute "Neftetransavtomatika" in St. Petersburg and listen to what in
    in what form they will tell him.
  61. +8
    17 January 2019 19: 14
    What nonsense. It's good that electricity is cheap. But how can I say it? Maybe it’s cheap for Chubais, but ask in any store how much they pay per month for electricity, they may be very surprised.
  62. +9
    17 January 2019 19: 26
    If you look at a night map of Russia, you cannot say that it is the most wasteful, looking at Europe, the east coast of the USA or Japan.
    1. +2
      18 January 2019 07: 26
      He says that we use a lot of “air” for heating, but for some reason he just forgets about the average annual temperature in Russia...
  63. +7
    17 January 2019 19: 41
    Another confirmation that liberal economics is the absence of economics as such in principle. Those who promoted market ideas in energy economics knew the consequences very well; the American experience is a good example in which there is nothing good for the population and industry, rising prices with a falling quality of services. Why create industrial consumers if it’s easier to rob ordinary citizens? If you study the history of energy development, it developed in parallel with the country’s industry, do not forget the mobilization components, that if something is wrong somewhere, then transfer it from one region to another. There is no industry, new microdistricts are growing in place of the factories, but they consume only a small part of the former factory, but the capacities that no one has actually modernized for decades, but only taken, require more and more every year. But a private owner needs money and that’s all. and he didn’t care about the safety of the state and its citizens, the only point was to fill his pocket and get out of the robbed country. If earlier there was the term fifth column, then in recent decades a sixth has appeared, in the form of “officials and those holding power” of all stripes, and a seventh, in the form of “thieves’ masters”, who with their actions cause more harm to the country than its open opponents.
  64. +13
    17 January 2019 19: 43
    Chubais, as the boss of Vladimir Vladimirovich (and it was he who brought him to Mom\skva and the Kremlin), as always, boldly, without fear of being bitten on the tongue, lies in front of Duma non-thinkers, like Osya Bender in front of members of the club in Vasyuki.
    Russia is the most backward country in electricity consumption. You can rummage through reference books and reports. By the way, Solovyov gave specific figures today on Vesti FM.
    Where does electricity go in the country?
    Not to citizens!
    To the oligarchs. The same Deripaska consumes half of all electricity, feeding himself, Europe and, quite a bit, the workers of aluminum smelters. All! Naturally, citizens are sorely lacking electricity, so gas stoves are installed in multi-storey buildings instead of electric stoves, minifying the residents.
    In general: here you have it - “Soviet power plus electrification of the entire country!” Either Lenin bothers them like a thorn in the eye!
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  66. +11
    17 January 2019 20: 08
    Another red scam for vouchers. How many people write that new power plants have been created, new technologies have been introduced, savings and saving are all around, it seems that they should live better and prices will fall due to such an oversupply! But no, let’s pay even more, because we have redheads and more requests!
  67. +8
    17 January 2019 20: 18
    Statement by Anatoly Chubais that Russia has developed an inefficient energy consumption system,

    I remember Chubais gave the order to cut off power to Russian strategic military units in the Far East and others in the 90s..
    We even had to set up machine gunner posts (well done commanders, they understood what was what..) ..Those were terrible times.. angry
    This red-haired bug mason wants to repeat himself again?
    The Kvachkovs are not extinct in Russia yet...
    1. +4
      17 January 2019 23: 50
      with tsuko, it is necessary to nationalize all the assets of this forelock, so that this red monkey does not have a word in any significant structure, and, as Satanovsky said, he is shot, with the hands of Satanovsky!
    2. +5
      18 January 2019 00: 05
      Quote: Beater
      This red-haired bug mason wants to repeat himself again?
      The Kvachkovs are not extinct in Russia yet...

      Hello, Chewbacca!))))
  68. +9
    17 January 2019 21: 38
    Briefly and clearly: It’s time to get into the pockets of citizens, once again!
  69. +4
    17 January 2019 22: 01
    The people did not feel gratitude to the “great reformer” - so much the worse for the people. After the elections, Chubais went on the offensive.
  70. +4
    17 January 2019 22: 25
    Chubai creature is a lackey of the world behind the scenes! These deputies are lackeys of Chubais!
    They all need to be kicked out!
  71. +5
    17 January 2019 22: 26
    I wonder if this has anything to do with Chubais’ job responsibilities at Rusnano? I remember how Chubais, who once ruled the country’s energy system, advocated for all sorts of fragmentation of the then existing energy system in order to reduce the price of electricity for the consumer through competition.
  72. +7
    17 January 2019 23: 04
    Canadians spend 15 kW/year per person, in Russia - 000. Let the redhead teach the materiel. He's incapable of anything else - he's a bastard. A stinking bug has attached itself to the budget. For one Sayano-Shushensk disaster, he will burn in hell.
  73. +4
    17 January 2019 23: 43
    So to judge, we don’t have a market at all!
    Instead of saturating demand with supply, and thereby achieving greater earnings, they are ready to increase the price of the product to satisfy their profit at the minimum, i.e. now, and in the future to increase supply volumes, but at a higher price!!!
    hucksters, plyat, Chubais, red fox, he’s totally carrying him!!!
  74. +3
    18 January 2019 07: 24
    But for some reason the government deputies forgot about the Russian climate...
  75. 0
    18 January 2019 09: 16
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Greenwood
    like you, to put it mildly, the near-witted voted for Putin

    and you are far away from us? !!!
    Do you really think that without systemic changes you could leave the retirement age ?!
    then excuse you for ksushad you need to vote, the mental level is about the same


    Learn the materiel, an “expert” on trends in the development of the retirement age and legislation))) have heard enough or seen enough of the box and are trying to hang noodles here - it WON’T WORK!
  76. +4
    18 January 2019 09: 48
    Well, what else can you hear from a pocket of shit, of course they will support.
  77. +2
    18 January 2019 11: 15
    Effective managers, what to take from them, hello to those who voted for EP+GDP. For me, we need to talk not about the “low efficiency of the electricity sector” in isolation from the rest of the economy, but about efficient energy supply, which includes the required amount of energy consumption and new construction parameters - without heat loss.
  78. +4
    18 January 2019 12: 01
    Chubais destroyed the Unified Energy System. Chubais broke through on the capacities in the Far East, where no one needs them and only poses a threat of flooding. Chubais destroyed the electricity redistribution system. What good did Chubais do for Russia? In what industry, other than theft, is he an expert to give advice?
    1. -3
      18 January 2019 12: 32
      Despite the huge number of disadvantages, it also has a plus - 65 production facilities operate under the wing of Rusnano, and with financing from Rusnano they created the Baikal microprocessor
      1. +3
        18 January 2019 12: 35
        A number of productions also operated under the wing of Antibiotic from the film “Gangster Petersburg”. Continue?
  79. +3
    18 January 2019 12: 49
    Chubais has already ruined the Russian economy with his vouchers and privatization. And listen to his nonsense. He pushed through this decision. Damn effective manager.
  80. 0
    18 January 2019 20: 26
    Quote: NEXUS
    The polls approving the protege of the GDP.
    is a prologue to the next reform.

    As in "Wedding in Malinovka" - "it means they will rob."


    Bloody Cheburator he will still drink a lot of Russian blood - at the beginning he tore the energy industry to pieces, explaining with gusto and snot that monopolism is bad, now with exactly the same gusto he explains that it is necessary to increase tariffs for energy efficiency:
  81. +1
    18 January 2019 20: 58
    Quote: Igor Borisov_2
    The deputy of the City Duma of Chita, Ekaterina Borisova, argues:

    "In general, according to logic, they need to cut off the light at night, as they do in our dachas, and they will not be heated"

    “People don’t need to cook food at night, that’s what light is for. That is, normal people all sleep. And in order to avoid heating, I said the solution is to turn off, say, from 12 at night to 6 in the morning, as is done in dacha cooperatives when I get the same problem.


    And don't go to the toilet. What for? There is no need for light in the toilet, and there is no need for water either. Normal people sleep at night. If you want, go for yourself. In the morning, when the light comes on, there is a small tidy. Awesome future....


    Unity suckers have already disowned Borisova:
  82. 0
    19 January 2019 01: 56
    “that it is necessary to reduce the level of fuel and energy consumption” - turn off street lighting, do not ventilate apartments - the heat goes to the street. It is effective not to reduce wages.
  83. +2
    19 January 2019 05: 35
    Russia is the largest country with northern territories. That's it, and sometimes you need to heat most of the year. The meter-thick walls and triple-glazed windows were not invented because of the heat. I am damn angry at the statements of this scoundrel of the Yeltsin period. And he’s even more angry because it finds support from the government. Energy resources must be accessible and even cheap. This is what will spur the economy to grow. Damn economist...
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