Myths about the Kalashnikov: so what about Schmeisser?

Kalashnikov Media Technical Consultant Vladimir Onoka touched on a question that has been discussed in one way or another for several decades. The question looks like a conspiracy and it sounds like this: in the end, Kalashnikov invented a non-own weapon, and "Schmeiser"? It got to the point that many so-called “experts” decided for themselves that this was the way it was. And it began to fuel the myth of “copying” the machine gun from the German “original”.

The video features a comment by one of these conspiracy theorists who say that the Kalashnikov assault rifle "was made by Hugo Schmeiser while in captivity."

Vladimir Onoka makes it clear that only people who do not understand anything about small arms can speak about the similarity of the German and Soviet machine guns.

Expert Kalashnikov Media:

Seriously! If I were asked to find two more dissimilar machines, it would be difficult for me to do this.

The only thing that can be called similar, with Schmeisser’s and AK’s weapons, is a curved magazine. Although it is commonplace for shops under an intermediate cartridge. You can call a similar gas discharge system, but almost the same applies to the Soviet machine gun DP-27, which was produced from 1928 year.

The video presents a detailed review of the two automata, after which the expert suggests to the conspiracy therapists to answer the question, so what is the real “similarity” of these two variants of automatic small arms.

Comments

[The black]

... we have many wonders - every Freak Beethoven ..... these exPerds from the same opera ...

[Finches]

This can only testify to the general idiotic education and the stupidity of some members of society - I don’t even want to say that many of us here write in VO modifying the comments of others who changed the quotes of the third .... But let’s say that human thought is equated the conditions of the same counteraction and the same requirements of reality will be very close in their realization of the final product! Only Kalashnikov did better - and the whole world knows this, except for a handful of liberal Russian idiots! Making constantly such stuffing!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Finches

This can only testify to the general idiotic education and stupidity of some members of society.

And also that everything that is and was in Russia / USSR / Russian Empire good, outstanding, ingenious - everything is belittled, mixed with a known substance and presented as borrowed from other cultures. An omnidirectional inculcation of an inferiority complex is carried out to us. There are many examples. AK is just one of them.

[svp67]

Quote: Finches

Only Kalashnikov did better - and the whole world knows this, except for a handful of liberal Russian idiots! Making constantly such stuffing!

And those who disgrace themselves with the monument to the great gunsmith ... Well, it was necessary to stick an explosion-scheme "Sturmgever" on him
"Sturmgever" only in one way is similar to AK, in that they are created for intermediate cartridges.

[Catfish]

Another layout, Sergey. because of the external similarity, the "thinking" and raised a howl about complete plagiarism, these "experts" only "by clothes" and judge, and in the device of weapons they are like a sheep in medicine.

[Yuriy_999]

SGM and DShKM, please do not touch. These are products by the same authors as AK-47.

That is, you seriously argue that the DShKM and the SGM were invented and made by the Germans?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

The first one. And what did not do before captivity?
Second. It is also that the novel "Quiet Don" was not written by M. Sholokhov.
Already gone through all this in the 90s. In the second round we went.

[019]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

And what did not do before captivity?

He did the first series called StG. And AK, this is the second series. Given the mistakes of the first.

[tasha]

News on VO in January 2047. "In the year of the centenary of the adoption of the AK-47, the discussion about the authorship of the legendary weapon continues.
Once again from my favorite movie "Visit to the Minotaur":
"- You can steal the size of a violin, - said Niccolo. - Disassemble and measure. And how will you steal the varnish? The varnish that we have been brewing for a hundred years, and every time we get a new one? How will you steal it? - knocked himself on the red, bald forehead of Amati. - And without varnish, the violin will not sound so that by the sound from a distance they say - this is Amati! .. The species of the tree, its age, the place of cut, the method of washing, then drying, impregnating with varnish, applying it - will you steal too? "
How Rostislav Yanovich played this scene! And how much is already possible .. "And the steel grades? And the tolerances and fit?" ...

[Zubr]

News on VO in January 2047. "In the year of the centenary of the adoption of the AK-47, the discussion continues about the authorship of the legendary weapon." wink

And you know, this will not surprise me, or they will draw a whole bunch of co-authors that they will have to call him names differently. And they will also attribute to Uncle Kolya the mechanic who sharpened that squiggle on it ..

[tasha]

Oddly enough, but the co-authors of the AK can and should be considered the same Browning, Holek, A. Zaitsev and the same G. Schmeiser .. Consider, summarize the experience and mistakes of previous creators and based on their ideas create your own masterpiece ...

[Zubr]

So Kalashnikov himself does not deny the study of these samples. Well, the main constructive of it, improvements, taking into account all the errors and advantages. Take pistols, schools are different, the concepts are similar. But the characteristics, individual components, parts, steel grades, production technologies are different.

[tasha]

I totally agree.

[tasha]

I thought and realized that the quote is not the topic. Delete - late.
And on the other hand, he recalled.

[novel66]

why not in a subject - quite to itself. different weapons schools. eventually

[faiver]

yes, and T-34 copied from French Ft-17

[The black]

Quote: faiver

yes, and T-34 copied from French Ft-17

... and the "zaparozhets" spilled "porsche"

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

I completely agree, but on the road the Cossack eats better, and takes more potatoes

[nathanael]

and "zaparozhets" spitting out "porsh. And his name is" zaporshivets "

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Black

and the "zaparozhets" spilled "porsh"

Poured Prince, actually.

[The Siberian barber]

"creative intelligentsia" - it is so ...))
Sponsor paid for the video ...

[Zubr]

Zayuzali completely this topic .. When will it finally calm down?

[HAM]

Something in recent days on VO there are too many articles: that "Vanguard" is a clip, "Poseidon" is a useless superweapon, "Kalashnikov" is a plagiarism, SU57 is not flying ..... What does THIS mean! ??

[user1212]

Quote: HAM

that "Vanguard" is a clip, "Poseidon" is a useless superweapon, "Kalashnikov" is a plagiarism, SU57 is not flying ..... What does THAT mean! ??

Putin has a deadline. The electorate is brought up

[Bator]

Honestly, I was also of the opinion that Kalashnikov took STG Schmeiser as the basis ..

[Major_Vortex]

No. Soviet light automatic weapons have proven themselves in the Second World War and the locking mechanism of the American rifle Garanda. The store’s similarity and similar barrel length makes the AK-47 similar to the German and makes it visually similar, nothing more. The stamped parts are still, but it is ubiquitous in weapons.

[rusin]

Of course not, Schmeiser took very little part in creating AK47 ...
"... Werner Ernst Gruner - German small arms designer, creator of the famous MG 42 machine gun. In the fall of 1945, the Soviet military administration gathered a group of specialists in the production of small arms, including the MG 42 machine gun, and placed them in a barrack position in Suhl (including Gruner) .They were given the task - to restore from memory some design and technological documentation for previously produced weapons. Then a similar instruction followed, albeit with a slightly modified ultimate goal. After that, the results were carefully studied and compared with the original. Gruner and seven other specialists became part of the group that worked at the plant No. 74 ("Izhmash") After returning from the USSR at the beginning of 1952, Gruner settled in the GDR, where he took an extensive part in organizing the production of MPiK and MPiKS assault rifles, East German clones of AK-47 ... " http://master-gun.com/velikie-oruzhejniki/verner-gruner-uchyonyj-konstruktor-chelovek/2

[bunta]

Quote: rusin

Gruner and seven other specialists joined the group that worked at the plant number XXUMX ("Izhmash").

Six gunsmiths and ten specialists from DKW to organize the production of a copy of a motorcycle DKW-350 - IL-350.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

The stamped parts are still, but it is ubiquitous in weapons.
Reply

In the first series of AK receiver was milled.

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: bistrov.

In the first series of AK receiver was milled.

But they switched to stamping to make the machine more technologically advanced in mass production. A milled box is more expensive, complex and time-consuming to manufacture.

[Severok]

According to the memoirs of Mikhail Kalashnikov, there was a problem with steel for stamped SK, which could not be solved immediately. Subsequently, work was carried out on the development of equipment and materials, and a stamped receiver was put into production. The process went on for about ten years.

[user1212]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

Garand rifle locking mechanism

And why from her? This rifle is not the first time the shutter has been applied. Take at least a Lewis machine gun 1913

[Major_Vortex]

The length of the barrel and a box magazine of 30 rounds - these know-how were taken from the German. The rest is all Russian, American and so on, but processed, developed and brought to an industrial design in the USSR. From the Germans, there is also a little in the AK-47.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

30-round box magazine - this know-how was taken from a German

And in the USSR, what, before, there were no box stores? He appeared in Tsarist Russia, on a Fedorov assault rifle.

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: bistrov.

And in the USSR, what, before, there were no box stores? He appeared in Tsarist Russia, on a Fedorov assault rifle.

Not a box magazine, but a box of 30 rounds for a machine gun, like the Germans have. In the USSR, self-loading rifles with magazines of smaller capacity were mass-produced before that.

[Siberian54]

More precisely, moon-shaped (patent of Hugo Schmeiser of 42 or something I don’t remember exactly, but lazy on wiki)

[019]

Quote: bistrov.

He appeared in Tsarist Russia, on a Fedorov assault rifle.

It seems to me that when they want to make fun, they remember exactly that freak AF.

[YUG64]

Is barrel length a know-how? Strong ....)

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: YUG64

Is barrel length a know-how? Strong ....)

At the time of the development of the AK-47, this was know-how. It was customary to make longer trunks. The Germans made a shorter one for the machine gun and in the USSR comprehensively studied the Germans, Yu and appreciating the convenience of a more compact weapon of this class went the same way. This is from the history of small arms. There are in the books.

[Major_Vortex]

... Cartridge mod 43 years was developed under the barrel about half a meter. SKS-45 has a barrel length of 520 mm. And the AK-47 already has 415 mm. It was precisely the German successful development of automatic machines that prompted Soviet designers to this barrel length.

[user1212]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

Barrel length and box magazine 30 rounds

Barrel length and magazine size are dictated by the concept and dimensions of the intermediate cartridge, not German know-how

[Gerklim]

A hackneyed topic for ordinary people who do not know the design of these machines. It is also often fueled by Western `` experts ''. Although the stg 44 and the M series of Americans have more in common.

[Note 2]

How much can I transfer from empty to empty? Yes, and Onokoi, as a technical consultant, says too much. People who are more or less knowledgeable in weapons and it is clear that the automatics are different for these types of weapons and the ergonomics of Kalash are much better than those of a storm trooper.

[Sibiriya]

Onokoy is a great specialist in shooting

[019]

Quote: Siberia

Onokoy is a great specialist in shooting

Is your face very red and working in the shooting area?

[Sibiriya]

I recommend watching his reviews on YouTube, by the way he works in the Kalashnikov concern)
https://youtu.be/wKb4nuhuRlk

[019]

Quote: Siberia

I recommend to see his reviews

I can do reviews on this topic myself. I do not need Onokoi for this.
I have never read Onocoy before or watched it.
But another well-known expert in runet shooting in shooting doesn’t cause me anything but funny laughter.

That's it, I looked for 4-5 minutes and further, after the phrase "Kalashnikov assault rifle shoots in bursts" I will not look. And I do not advise you. The boys in the sandbox tell much better stories. When the Easter cakes are doing.

[Sibiriya]

Kalashnikov assault rifle shoots orders? 8))))

[Sibiriya]

on the topic I can, smiled 8))

[019]

Quote: Siberia

Kalashnikov assault rifle shoots orders?

Like any other weapon capable of automatic fire, the AK-47 does not fire "bursts".
The phrase "fires bursts" characterizes the speaker as poorly versed in small arms. Because he does not even know professional terminology.

[Sibiriya]

smiled again 8))
One can distinguish AKs released before the 1959 of the year by their low relative to the firing line of the back of the stock (according to some "hump" weapons), which was typical only for the earliest automatic rifles, since this arrangement reduces the stability of the weapon when firing in bursts - this is Wikipedia.
- https://www.kalashnikov.ru/tag/vladimir-onokoj/ to you for general development
continue to argue with you I see no reason

[019]

Quote: Siberia

this is wikipedia.

Ah, wikipedia !. This changes the matter.
In general, didn’t you try to understand what was discussed?
Try it.

[Shelest2000]

For a long time I have not been surprised at such attempts to shower Kalashnikov with slops. Remember the last one? The one when they discovered the explosion scheme Stg-44 on the Kalashnikov monument

[tank64rus]

My father was testing machines. M.T. Kalashnikov presented his submachine gun for the competition and he was in the uniform of a senior sergeant of the tank forces, which caused surprise among the members of the commission, who were accustomed to seeing designers in a different way. Well, he personally accepted the comments and entered them into a notebook. By the way, before the war, being a tank driver, he submitted two rationalization proposals and was awarded an hour from the USSR People's Commissar of Defense for the hour meter for the tank. And another question is where Schmeisser was, when light machine guns, tank machine guns, civilian versions of their several dozen samples were created. Americans and the whole world do not raise this topic at all, except for our "lovers of truth."

[rusin]

Kalashnikov is a talent, a nugget ... Or it could be, say, an astronaut: “the world's first cosmonaut Mikhail Kalashnikov.” Or a physicist: “the creator of a nuclear bomb, MT Kalashnikov.” In short, the Party said: We must, the Komsomol answered: Yes!
Thank you at least for the Russian surname, otherwise we could now discuss the brilliant AK47 designer Vakhtang Dzhamshutovich Kurginyan-zade, a simple Turkmen pastoralist who read on the pasture of Stalin's works and, inspired, came up with his own name machine.

[019]

Quote: rusin

Or he could be, say, an astronaut: "the world's first cosmonaut Mikhail Kalashnikov." Or a physicist: "the creator of a nuclear bomb, MT Kalashnikov."

He was a gunsmith, to put it mildly, doubtful (very, very doubtful). And you write him in pilots and physicists. It’s not funny for yourself?
In order to invent something, you need to study hard for a long time. And practice.
Kalashnikov had neither one nor the other in 1947. Therefore, his authorship of the AK-47 is simply ruled out. That, in general, is in principle excluded.

Quote: rusin

I read on the pasture of the works of Stalin and, inspired, came up with a machine gun of his own name.

If you read Dzhugashvili, you could only do something disgusting. Not more.

[Severok]

What an unworthy person you are! From you rushing rot and slop on everything Russian. You yourself are nothing, without creating anything, spoof outstanding Russian people.

[NG inform]

It is clear that you are a State Department bot and simple. But for those who are not in the know, I note that Kalashnikov spent several years before the 47th in the best small arms laboratory in the USSR, where there was a wonderful team and all possible samples.
As an engineer, I would like to note that fraudsters who are trying to erode the psychological foundations of Russian patriotism in this case substitute terminology, make the concept of "construction" too broad, to the point of losing its meaning, which then allows any statements to be made. So at least a schmeisser, at least aliens can be tied, depending on the order.
Of course, Kalashnikov has developed a perfectly balanced machine gun and this is his merit and his genius. The fact that there were other machines in the world and he saw them was his work. Now, if he had the opportunity to study existing samples, but he didn’t do it, this can be blamed, for an engineer this is a sign of incompetence.
He quickly learned, studied, put together a solution in several iterations, which became the most popular in the world.

[019]

Quote: tank64rus

M.T. Kalashnikov presented his machine gun to the competition

Would you like to be represented by Willy Schmeisser?

Quote: tank64rus

And another question is where Schmeisser was, when light machine guns, tank machine guns, civilian variants of several dozen samples were created.

Here.
These are all PK, RPK, AK-74, this is quite possibly done with the participation of Kalashnikov. But the "legendary mechanism" is the same everywhere. Therefore, these are not completely independent products.

[tank64rus]

How you have not bothered to chew this chewing gum. There was a competition; there was a commission for the first tests; not one sample failed the test. There were claims to the Kalashnikov assault rifle, one of them was the inability to attach a bayonet. The commission also included the highest generals and front-line officers. Generals with experience of the civil war demanded about the bayonet, the youth were against it. Why, for example, father got there for testing. He is a scout for four years on the front line from a 1941 volunteer boy to a reconnaissance commander in 1944. As a master of fire contacts, he was for some time in the guard of Marshal Tolbukhin, and even traveled to Italy with his delegation with him. Four military orders and twelve medals. At the filing of the liberals, we crap wherever they can especially on the history of the Fatherland. Fulfill the doctrine of Dulles.

[Waldemar]

The topic with the Schmeiser has long been closed. Favorite chewing gum liberal 5 columns. Of the similar, they only have a form with severe myopia

[Sars]

Forum cavalrymen jumped out and let's wave with sabers: death to experts.

[Sars]

Fau-1,2; MSH-262, engines for the MiG-9, Moskvich car. More copy examples needed? And not only the Germans.

[Sars]

Yes, the design of the machines is different, but what Hugo Schmeiser worked in captivity is not known.

[Sars]

But it is known that a talented self-taught from the Altai outback Kalashnikov to the machine did not develop anything worthwhile.

[Sars]

The same story was when the work of Fedorov was appropriated by Diagterev.

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Quote: SarS

The same story was when the work of Fedorov was appropriated by Diagterev.

Well, where did Fedorov get work from? His "works" are known to everyone - snags such as AF-1 and AF-2. The first one didn't work at all. The second worked, but it is not clear why.

[rusi4SPb]

And ....... what follows from this, justify!

[YUG64]

His AK-43 was not accepted into service, but competed on equal terms with the works of Simonov and Degtyarev, although he was then only 24 years old.

[Note 2]

I bring to your attention that according to the memorandum about Hugo Schmeisser it was said that we didn’t have an engineering education, did not show interest in the work and was not very happy with his position. Unlike Volmer, Barnitzke and others. The note was dated if my memory serves me right year 47. The case was in Izhevsk.

[rusin]

Quote: Prim2

Unlike Volmer, Barnitzke and others

Gruner, Volmer, Barnitztke, Schmeiser .... It is good that these outstanding German arms designers, while in the Soviet Union, did not take part in the development of AK.

[Note 2]

What does AK have to do with other tasks!

[019]

Quote: Prim2

What does AK have to do with other tasks!

And there were enough tasks.
DShKМSGМ, RP-46, PM. There were many tasks.

[Yuriy_999]

And there were enough tasks.
DShKM, SGM, RP-46, PM

I see you are a noble troll. You are not even embarrassed that the DKShM was adopted in 1946, while the first batch was released in February 1945.
Ah, I get it! The real last name of Schmeiser is Stirlitz!

[019]

Quote: rusin

It is good that these outstanding German arms designers, while in the Soviet Union, did not take part in the development of AK.

Yes, that says they don’t report anything at all. For days spent strumming on a balalaika and drinking schnapps. It is unclear just what foreign exchange salaries received. Yes, and in the hungry years.

[019]

Quote: Prim2

I bring to your attention that according to the memo on Hugo Schmeisser of our specialists

According to these tales, he could even be a headless horseman. And a Pakistani spy.

[Note 2]

For such a hohlotrol as you, of course, a bike who would doubt it.

[rusi4SPb]

It is known that documents have been declassified for a long time.

[Disorder]

Well, how much can you? AK and STG had nothing in common, except appearance, and even then if you look from afar.

The only thing that can be called similar in Schmeiser and AK weapons is a curved magazine. Although this is a common thing for stores under an intermediate cartridge.

Fedorov’s assault rifle had a curved magazine under a rifle cartridge, and on a PPD-34 under a pistol.

You can call a similar gas exhaust system, but almost the same is used on the Soviet machine gun DP-27, which was produced since 1928.

Closer in design was the gas mechanism on the ShKAS machine gun.

[swan49]

Why, when we talk about Kalashnikov and AK-47, we always remember the Kalashnikov tanker of the winter 1941-42. and believe that the AK-47 is some kind of reworking of its first model of a submachine gun? We forget that since 1942 he is an employee of the Central Scientific Testing Range of Small Arms and Mortar Armaments of the GAU RKKA. By the end of the war, he was the author of two more models of small arms (they were not accepted for service). We rush with the "Sturmgever", completely forgetting that many ideas were taken from the AS-44 assault rifle of Sudaev, who died early, who was also an employee of the test site. Kalashnikov always noted the role of the officers of the range and workers of the Kovrov plant in his work on the machine gun.
On the topic, you can still watch three videos with Andrei Ulanov:
Andrey Ulanov about the history of the creation of the AK-47. The first work of a genius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-EIdHYPT1k
Andrey Ulanov about the history of the creation of the AK-47. Mentors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgIfGLvV7E
Andrey Ulanov about the history of the creation of the AK-47: the birth of a legend
https://youtu.be/NZkskHxWJ70

[Dmitry Zadorozhniy]

The direct heir to the Sturmgever is the Spanish Setme. Not even an heir, the Germans released her, and her licensed copy of Heckler und Koch.

[Disorder]

Quote: Dmitriy Zadorozhniy

The direct heir to the Sturmgever is the Spanish Setme. Not even an heir, the Germans released her, and her licensed copy of Heckler und Koch.

Not only STG-44 by Hugo Schmeiser, but STG-45 by Ludwig Forgrimler, who worked for Mauser.
After the war, L. Forgrimler moved to France, where for some time he worked in Ceam (Center d'Etudes et d'Armement de Mulhouse)... Then he moved to Spain, where, while working in CETME (Centro de Estudios Tecnicos de Materiales Especiales), he developed the CETME rifle based on the STG-45. The rights to its production are bought by the German government and transferred to the Heckler and Koch company, which, by the way, was created by former engineers of the same Mauser company. G-3 is not a complete copy of SETME, it is rather the successor of the same STG-45, and could have been born without SETME. "But that's a completely different story" (C)

[beeper]

... "soap, wet, our song is good, start over!" So it is with the alleged "authorship of Schmeisser" ?! One such dense "truth-bearer-Zapadoliz" even "managed" to pass by, also incompetent in the history of Russian technology, "profile" Moscow officials his project of the monument to M.T. Kalashnikov against the background of the "explosion-scheme" of the German Stg44 (in the development of which, among other things, the uneducated "member of the NSDAP since 1934" Hugo Schmeisser took part) ... then he had to cut it down from the finished monument, obviously biased, with a "grinder" "creative misunderstanding".
Of course, V.Onokoi's video is completely "unattainable (against a dark background and in the semi-darkness" something black and blued "creeps inaudibly ... perhaps, the" Kalashnikov "advertisers clearly do not respect their viewers, or is this an elementary lack of professionalism ??!)" , really does not worry at all for the best "presentation of material" and "texts", like "sketches", does not cook at all, says "on camera" that he will "go crazy", impromptu, and behave "frivolously" ??!
About the "curved magazine" (by the way, it is by no means a secret that MikhTim took the design of his 30-charge box magazine for the prototype from the Sudeev AS-44, as well as the SUDAEVSKAYA CONCEPT of the AUTOMATOR itself - "large gaps
and hung above the receiver, a heavy bolt carrier and a light bolt ", this very" all-weather "and" mud-resistant "reliable" hanging "and" large gaps "was not and does not exist in the" Sturmgever "- an obvious prototype of the" capricious "Stoner AR- maybe that's why the AMERICANS SCREAM LOUDER than ALL "KALASHNIKOV COPIED THE SCHMEISSER!" ??? , in order to divert from oneself the statement of the facts of copying Hitler's weapons, not only the "Sturmgever", but also the "Falshirmegergever" - not a very successful American M60 machine gun ?!) "- this is absolutely childish babble from the" written media expert "KK ... there is no way to say about similar layout solutions (almost exactly the same as in the "Sturmgever" -with a "breaking" scheme of a stamped receiver and folding, together with a pistol grip, "assembly" of the trigger), worked out by Soviet gunsmiths Kalashnikov, Bulkin, Dementiev, ..., but then rejected for one reason or another ?!
It was also possible to tell the background of the creation-competition of Hitler's "Sturmgevers", the designers of which were greatly influenced by the captured Soviet weapons, including Tokarev's SVT - its constructive scheme for locking the barrel with a "skewed bolt" was transferred to Stg-42 (44), accepted by the Germans for production ... but a lot of sensible things, for the benefit of the cause, and not dull, without enthusiasm (after all, even, quite befitting of the moment, frank pride for an outstanding example of domestic weapons is not felt in the voice, was he really so restrained or internally is not proud of the products of his "concern" ?!), Onokoev's "idle talk" could be accommodated in the same "time period" !!!
Honestly, if I did not know well the background and history of the creation of the AK, the biography of the Designer himself (as well as the "historiography" of the Nazi "designer" H. Schmeisser), the works of Fedorov V.G. and Blagonravova A.A. on the history and design of small arms, but if he was a reptile in front of the Zapadoids, a dense, technically "little-erudite" man in the street, a "schmeissophile", then, a grayish and not memorable, pass-through "video" of the "expert" V. already "hackneyed" and "worn out", "distribution", and would not have convinced at all, but would only have further strengthened in the false belief that "there is no smoke without fire" and "Kalashnikov .... and further along the pro-Western scheme" ...
It's a shame, it's annoying, but such helpless "experts" and "promote the products" of KK and even "serve a number" to "protect" the honest name of M.T. Kalashnikov and all those Soviet gunsmiths who, with their knowledge and experience, their selfless labor, created that WORLD-FAMOUS AK-RELIABLE WEAPON OF A SOLDIER!

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Quote: pishchak

WORLDWIDE AK-RELIABLE SOLDIER WEAPONS

In fact, no more reliable than others. And who is armed with AK?
Those who do not have fertility problems.
Why?
Yes, because AKM and AK-74, this is not an infantry weapon. This is an assault weapon. And that is why it can’t be a good weapon. A specialist weapon, maybe.

[Note 2]

What do you understand in this hohlotroll? You are carrying some kind of blizzard apparently very bad at the parashka with propaganda since people like you carry all kinds of foolishness here

[akm8226]

All this nonsense is due to the complete lack of technical education from "experts".
A dumb herd that has never done anything with its own hands in life, and even more so has not designed anything.
One word - sheep.
Already how many copies were broken on this occasion - and here again.

[bunta]

There is no point in the fact that the "proof" of the non-involvement of the XH in the creation of the AK lies in the difference in the locking method. Well, he did STG with a skewed shutter, but he came to Izhevsk and decided to make a turn. So what? In my opinion, the published documents are quite enough to prove his innocence to the AK.

[Cossack 471]

The material is fed normally. but the one who made the shooting definitely learned from the creators of the "main road" program. And they have a principle; it is necessary to change the image 60 times in a minute. this is aerobatics! It's just impossible to watch

[Yellow bubble]

DP 27 has been produced since 1926; it was adopted by the armed forces in 27. Kalashnikov independent work of the team of gunsmiths under the leadership of Kalashnikov !!!

[Vladimir 5]

All the salt is in the "transitional cartridge" (created by the Germans), in our opinion: "model 1943". From this and all the dancing to the current global distribution of small arms. The main thing in weapons, efficiency and other performance characteristics. After all, for example, for the first magazine rifles of the late 19th century, so they are practically the same, and who copied whom - the conditions pushed the designers to similar solutions ... The question of the article is not correct, because the weapon was created in a new way, according to their requirements, and individual details can coincide for technical reasons, but the main nodes are different ...