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Dry without sediment. “SSJ100 Superjet” in Iran: yes or no?

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What cannot be denied to Western propaganda, is the ability to choose the time for low-blows. For a series of shocking reports that Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS) banned the export of Superjet to Iran, the best time was the 2019 winter holidays of the year, which, it seems, our legislators didn’t want to ban at all. Probably, so that the people would sober up faster, and having rolled up their sleeves, he would run to the machine, to work for their sake, our chosen ones, prosperity and well-being.


So, what is it actually about? The fact that, as it were, without the permission of the United States, Russia cannot sell not only 20 or 40 liners, but even at least one SSJ100 Superjet to Iran. In fact, the situation is in the development stage; no concrete decisions have been taken so far, even within the framework of anti-Russian and anti-Iran sanctions in the United States. Moreover, even despite the fact that the American corporation Boeing for a long time left the joint project with the Russian company GSS to create a short-haul airliner, it is interested in continuing deliveries of a number of units and components to Russians.



The reader will ask: why? Yes, simply because it is the Russians who are still waiting in the markets of third countries, and not only because the Russians are cheap. Russians usually do not abandon clients, they do not put impracticable ones, including political conditions, they are also ready to train personnel on quite acceptable conditions. Much of this is the same Americans simply can not afford.

But at the same time, they themselves, these remarkable masterful Russians, who managed to crush their own aircraft industry almost “to the ground”, without the help of the same Boeing, are already, alas, incapable of much. First of all, they are incapable of stamping as on a conveyor, cheap, but at the same time sufficiently high-quality and comfortable liners. But with support from Chicago and Seattle (the headquarters and main production facilities of Boeing Corporation are located there) are capable. Let this support be indirect, and carefully camouflaged.

Business is business. Markets, even potential ones, cannot be overlooked. Even if it is necessary for this, one should spit on politics and on the laws of competition. Although what is the competition here? World giant Boeing should help a pseudo-competitor, whom even a junior partner will not call a language, sell a few to the side, let's call them that way - half-boxes.

Let's return, however, to the most news. The fact that this “horror story” was launched in the media as an extraordinary, and almost certainly superplanned, is already said by the fact that, in parallel with it, the Russians were reminded of Japan’s claims on the South Kuriles. This news, which is able to rally the Russians almost as tightly as the Crimea-2014, was added to the promise from Washington not to place its military bases on the islands. You might think that we have already given the islands to the Japanese, but what a sad история with Russian-American liners - this is something like a modest appendage, albeit from a different opera.

Our Russian media, of course, bait willingly swallowed, and all that they were asked and did not ask, immediately replicated. However, the TV was somehow late, but then they are on vacation to release the stale junk on the screens. At least some official response had to wait almost a week. And this was not the answer from Iran, where they were expressed so far somehow vaguely, mostly complaining that it could take too much time to replace American components.



The answer came from the GSS. In order to avoid discrepancies we give it here in full.

“The aircraft manufacturer SSJ100 of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft JSC (GSS) did not receive a response from the United States to a request for the export of the company's aircraft to Iran.

Since the number of components of American origin in the current version of the SSJ100 aircraft exceeds 10%, as part of the GSS formal procedures, an application was made to the US Treasury Department of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) to approve the possibility of selling the SSJ100 aircraft to Iran. At the end of 2018, neither a positive nor a negative conclusion was received.

At the same time, within the framework of the import substitution program, the GSS continues to work to reduce the number of components of foreign origin and is working on a new version of the aircraft. The cost of operating the upgraded product will be significantly reduced. In addition, it is planned to improve the efficiency of the program due to the re-pricing of a number of components. Deliveries of the updated product are not expected to require any additional formal coordination with third countries. ”


Of course, this solid rebuke does not mean that everything with the Iranian contract at GSS is still in perfect order. The risk, and a very large risk that the deal for the supply of the very 40 "Superjet" fails, remains. Although who prevents to crank the same deal through front companies or even countries? After all, for example, in Thailand "Superjet" today go, if not like hot cakes, then as good New Year's gifts for sure.

And then let someone try to ban the Thai King, Maha Wachiralongkorn, from selling Russian liners to the Iranians for profit. After all, the same offshore business, for example, is flourishing literally everywhere, and weapon through third countries, almost every second sells these days as much as they please and to anyone, even direct enemies.

Yes, it seems, in “Sukhoy” they did not calculate for the future that the abundance of foreign, and most importantly, specifically American components, could at some stage bring them under sanctions. And if “Sukhoi” somehow managed to cope with the anti-Russian ones, it is not yet possible with anti-Iranians. But bypassing the sanctions is also a business, and if Boeing is also profitable, but it’s safe to sell Russian components for liners destined to Iran, it will definitely do it, and in the hunt. Karl Marx was not mistaken, arguing that there are no such crimes for which the real capitalist is ready to go for good profit.

The company "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft", in fact, is today either the last island of hope, or the pathetic remnants of the very "settling domestic aircraft manufacturing", the need for which the country doubted none other than the late Egor Gaidar. We recognize that the country has managed to fulfill its covenants in the field of aircraft manufacturing or the automotive industry with mechanical engineering simply to the envy of our geopolitical opponents, and not even so much the United States, but also China. And to him, by the way, we now so much want to turn our face, or rather, the vents of our oil and gas pipes.



However, as evidenced by some of the recent events, this patient - the Russian aircraft industry, is still more likely alive than dead. Sanction bustle around mid-range MC 21-300 only confirms this fact. The collision with the US sanctions has affected Aerocomposite JSC, which is part of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), and one of the divisions of the Rostec corporation, ORPP Tekhnologiya imeni Romashin. One of the leading Russian business publications reports that the whole matter turned out to be the supply of components for the so-called “black wing” and part of the aircraft keel. However, the KLA has already been informed that the necessary composite materials can be replaced. Domestically or abroad, it has not yet been reported. How much time and money you may need for a substitute.

In the meantime, the same Perm Motors, which cooperate with Dry, at the 2018 finish, the distressful PD-35, designed for IL-106 superliners, of a completely different type than the SSJ100 superjet, actually came to mind. They have problems with foreign components, by definition, will be much less. PD-35 engines will be tested at a country test station in the village of New Lyady. In the same place, obviously, it will be possible to carry out tests and other engines - to the light IL-112, which has already passed the first taxiing, to the medium transport liner of the future IL-276 or, finally, to the latest MS 21-300.
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  1. Mussasi
    Mussasi 11 January 2019 05: 10
    +17
    All that remains is to wish good luck to those people in science and industry who, for the time being, are engaged in at least some useful work, and not a blunt cut ...
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2019 10: 35
      +17
      Quote: Mussashi
      All that remains is to wish good luck to those people in science and industry who, for the time being, are engaged in at least some useful work, and not a blunt cut ...

      I agree with you.
      But here is the article ...
      The author either accidentally made a mistake or does not own the topic.
      = IL-106 superliners - a completely different type, =
      As far as I know, the IL-106 is being developed as a military transport aircraft, and the liners, if I am not mistaken, are passenger ones.
      = In the meantime, the same Perm Motors, collaborating with Sukhoi, at the finish of 2018 actually brought to mind the long-suffering PD-35, ... =
      As far as I know, the PD-35 is still in development, and the PD-14 was brought to mind.
      Can I trust an author with such knowledge of the material?
      Can I take his article seriously? I think the answer is obvious.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 11 January 2019 14: 40
        +3
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Can I trust an author with such knowledge of the material?

        That is unlikely...
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Can I take his article seriously? I think the answer is obvious.

        That's right!
        Unfortunately, there are quite a lot of similar writings in the media, including in VO.
        I am glad that the number of thoughtful people today is also considerable and fooling people is not so simple.
      2. Tarhan
        Tarhan 12 January 2019 15: 24
        +2
        Can I trust an author with such knowledge of the material?
        Can I take his article seriously? I think the answer is obvious.


        So this is not an article.

        This propaganda is a joy to the Urashniki.
  2. mvg
    mvg 11 January 2019 05: 21
    +5
    Russians usually don’t leave clients, they don’t put unattainable, including political conditions

    This is precisely what applies to Sukhoi ... and to post-warranty service .. To learn from Boeing and Lockheed.
    PS: If there is an author among us, Maxim Kustov (rather a pseudonym), I would like to ask a question ... to him personally. About 8 "Panthers" ..
    1. krops777
      krops777 11 January 2019 08: 03
      +8
      This is precisely what applies to Sukhoi ... and to post-warranty service .. To learn from Boeing and Lockheed

      The problem of logistics, not only dry but also other relatively small aircraft building campaigns such as the Canadian Bombardier or the Brazilian Embaer, only mega companies such as Boeing, Airbase can have spare parts warehouses and service personnel around the world.
  3. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 11 January 2019 05: 23
    0
    "Russians don't usually leave clients." Forgive me, but this is not so - remember Yugoslavia and ... a lot of people.
    1. Gumma
      Gumma 11 January 2019 06: 51
      +7
      Yugoslavia - she herself, herself killed. Without our help.
      Cuba - yes, they abandoned ... As, however, half of our country in the 90s
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 11 January 2019 07: 14
        +7
        Let it be so ... But they abandoned it? It's a shame, but true. And to say that "Russians usually don't leave clients" is at least indecent.
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 11 January 2019 07: 16
          0
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          And declare that "Russians don't usually leave clients"

          The article is about buyers. Specifically aircraft. Why did you drag Yugoslavia here? It is incomprehensible to the mind.

          Did you see a word or something familiar?
          1. Nikolay310
            Nikolay310 11 January 2019 07: 20
            +11
            you have already forgotten about the deal with Iran on the S-300, you are not throwing ours ... as America banned you, and you took it under the peak
            1. Consultant
              Consultant 11 January 2019 07: 22
              -6
              Quote: Nikolay310
              you are not throwing ours

              Do we start a career with hitting? Funny ...

              Quote: Nikolay310
              forgot about the deal with Iran on the S-300

              Is the S-300 a plane? Is the SSJ100 an armament?

              In short, this ... you were not standing here negative
              1. Nikolay310
                Nikolay310 11 January 2019 07: 26
                +5
                text of the article: "Russians usually do not abandon clients, they do not set unrealizable conditions, including political conditions" ... it does not say that it is necessary to speak only about airplanes ... these are your fantasies. as well as about some careers ...

                Well, if you really want about airplanes, then read for what reason the same Brussels Airlines refused superjets ... or is it also a conspiracy of a rotting West?
                1. Consultant
                  Consultant 11 January 2019 07: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: Nikolay310
                  article text

                  fool The title of the article:

                  Dry without sediment. “SSJ100 Superjet” in Iran: yes or no?

                  All other text is in the context of the title.

                  Quote: Nikolay310
                  it doesn’t say that we should only talk about airplanes

                  Learn materiel Russian.

                  Quote: Nikolay310
                  if you really want about airplanes, then

                  Man, do not advise me what to do ... learn to read first.
          2. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 11 January 2019 08: 13
            +3
            Yugoslavia, Cuba, etc. Are not buyers of Soviet (Russian) technology? In the 90s we betrayed everything and everyone. Including their economic interests. What is a policy? This is a concentrated economy. Learn, read Lenin, Marx and you will be happy.
            1. Consultant
              Consultant 11 January 2019 09: 20
              -4
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              Yugoslavia, Cuba, etc. Are not buyers of Soviet (Russian) technology? In the 90s we betrayed everything and everyone

              Well, let's pull an owl yes

              Do you know the word "force majeure"? Well, so this was force majeure, he (the force majeure of this one) was then awarded the Nobel Prize for this.

              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              What is a policy? it concentrated economy

              And twice two - four. And I know that too laughing

              And not a "concentrated economy" though. Someone tricked you.

              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              Learn, read Lenin, Marx

              When I read them, you, campaign, were only in the project. Ruddy critic of mine (s).
          3. mehan
            mehan 11 January 2019 20: 51
            0
            MiGs in India are idle without spare parts.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 11 January 2019 09: 11
          0
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Let it be so ... But they abandoned it? It's a shame, but true. And to say that "Russians usually don't leave clients" is at least indecent.

          It is indecent to delve into the salad of historical events and pull out isolated cases, passing them off as a system, without regard to the accompanying historical facts. Then the USSR collapsed and we generally left geopolitics for a long time.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 11 January 2019 09: 28
            +2
            An interesting allegory is the salad of history. I really liked it. :) Isolated cases, speak? Do you know how many such units? But I still agree with you - it’s good if it just happened. I hope so and even believe a little.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 11 January 2019 08: 01
        +5
        No, they didn’t quit !! am Forgive me how to make claims to the mortally wounded that he "did not help carry the stolen goods." negative The USSR - perished, we could not help but "abandon" our country, almost 200 small Russia did not disintegrate. Therefore, EVERYTHING that has claims "to bad Russia" - go on foot erotic hike good , enough is "Russia owes everyone". Kenedy is credited with the good phrase "don't ask what Russia did for you, ask what YOU did for Russia" (paraphrased), a very very good phrase turned out. Whoever is dissatisfied there, podlyakhs and Baltic Extinctions - well, let them first PROVE to us that we have some benefit from them, and WE will think if we have a desire to pay them tongue
      3. podymych
        11 January 2019 13: 50
        -1
        Sorry, but Cuba, if left, then not really. Cuba is almost our last real customer ... in terms of airplanes, but not only
        1. Major Pronin
          Major Pronin 16 January 2019 11: 00
          0
          Free?
      4. D16
        D16 11 January 2019 23: 58
        -1
        Who really left was Afghanistan.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2019 20: 47
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      "Russians don't usually leave clients." Forgive me, but this is not so - remember Yugoslavia and ... a lot of people.

      This is not a Russian abandoned. Remember who was at the helm then.
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 January 2019 05: 38
    0
    However, as some of the recent events indicate, this patient - Russian aircraft industry, yet for now more alive than dead.

    For this patient to come out of a coma, he will need abundant “financial droppers”, and not oxygen starvation, a state approach to solving problems, and not market manipulations and dependence on the moods of overseas politicians.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 11 January 2019 07: 22
      +1
      there are financial injections and they are not small. but with us the idea of ​​fix is ​​a partnership with everyone. Then it turns out that we allegedly cannot sell our plane without permission. allegedly we cannot produce another plane, because unexpectedly we imposed sanctions and the composites decided not to supply them. with this approach, how much money do not give, there will be no more aircraft
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 11 January 2019 12: 15
        +1
        Quote: Nikolay310
        there are financial injections and they are not small. but with us the idea of ​​fix is ​​a partnership with everyone. Then it turns out that we allegedly cannot sell our plane without permission. allegedly we cannot produce another plane, because unexpectedly we imposed sanctions and the composites decided not to supply them. with this approach, how much money do not give, there will be no more aircraft

        I fully share this point of view. The amount of money allocated in this case does not play a decisive role. A systemic error was made earlier when the modern leadership of the Russian Federation made a bet on integration (in every sense) with the West. In the hope that they will succeed in being built into their production chains. Well, and if possible, do something your own. Yes, only the Russian Federation has virtually no sales markets with solvent countries, and Western companies do not show much desire for something to sell their competitors with their own hands. Therefore, how much money you don’t pour in, mass production (and therefore solving problems with cost, with a network of service centers, logistics), without the availability of large solvent markets, will not be. And therefore, in these conditions, it’s just not serious to talk about some kind of our competition with Boeing and Airbus (the arms market is another topic, it is specific). And the creation of such markets is not only an economic, but also a political issue, which the Americans, with their prohibitions, are very good, have once again demonstrated. Therefore, while Russia does not have its own development project, it will be so. The West does not need our planes, they need our resources. However, also exactly until the moment they decide to sell theirs (shale oil, gas).
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 11 January 2019 21: 15
          0
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Therefore, while Russia does not have its own development project, it will be so. The West does not need our planes, they need our resources.

          Absolutely true colleague. hi
        2. D16
          D16 12 January 2019 19: 26
          0
          [quote] A systemic error was made earlier when the modern leadership of the Russian Federation made a bet on integration (in every sense) with the West. In the hope that they will succeed in being built into their production chains. Well, and if possible, do something your own. [/ Quote]
          There is no mistake there. At that time, everything was done absolutely right. We were given good blocks, we made a good plane. Of the bad cubes, a good, competitive plane will not work. Next, a long work remains to create their good cubes and replace them with strangers. And all this within the framework of a competitive aircraft.
          [quote] Yes, only the Russian Federation has virtually no sales markets with solvent countries, and Western companies do not show much desire for something to compete with their own hands. [quote]
          Western companies that produce cubes deeply to the bulb who buys them. On the contrary, they are interested in the diversity of customers. So it’s more difficult for them to negotiate and bend the dice producers
          [quote] And the creation of such markets is not only an economic issue, but also a political one [/ quote].
          Here I completely agree with you. In general, our presence in Syria and the Central African Republic showed that the Kremlin ceased to be in illusions in relation to the WTO and other conventions and began to open the beds under their garden fellow .
          [quotethat the Americans, with their prohibitions very well, have once again demonstrated.] [/ quote]
          Who was shown to? Exclusively to the Israeli edition? And to whom?
    2. podymych
      11 January 2019 13: 54
      0
      Well, this is you, sorry, I want a lot from the current leadership at all levels. Well, they are capitalists, their mother is like that, and they act capitalistically. And to survive our aircraft industry is allowed only as long as it is beneficial to the same Boeing. Sad, but alas, the current reality ...
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 11 January 2019 23: 51
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      However, as some of the recent events indicate, this patient - Russian aircraft industry, yet for now more alive than dead.

      For this patient to come out of a coma, he will need abundant “financial droppers”, and not oxygen starvation, a state approach to solving problems, and not market manipulations and dependence on the moods of overseas politicians.

      I believe that the first step to saving the aviation industry would be the introduction of huge duties on the import of any aircraft from abroad.
      If we buy foreign cars all the time, we will never learn how to build our world-class aircraft from our components.
      1. Major Pronin
        Major Pronin 16 January 2019 10: 57
        -1
        And between the introduction of duties and "until we learn", what will we fly?
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 January 2019 20: 11
          0
          Quote: Major Pronin
          And between the introduction of duties and "until we learn", what will we fly?

          The stump is clear on PO-2. They upgraded it just now. Did you want the goats to be safe and the wolves full?
  5. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 11 January 2019 05: 43
    +6
    “SSJ100 Superjet” in Iran: Yes or No?

    Well? The author put in the headline a question around which he led a round dance, but did not answer. Empty and worthless analytics.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 11 January 2019 07: 28
      +5
      another fable about the KhPP and that it’s not so simple ... although in fact it’s so far clear that Russia supposedly cannot sell its aircraft to Iran. and MS-21 suspended.

      although approvals do not need much. they have mnogohodovochki and "Putin outplayed everyone." just not clear what year will replay
    2. depressant
      depressant 11 January 2019 07: 55
      +3
      Terribly annoying quality management. After all, even in everyday life you plan: if this does not happen in the nearest store, it is always in the distant one, or go to the area to a known place. And here you read and are horrified - only now have you begun to scratch your turnips: where is abroad, or at home to take a composite? What offshore agreement? Well, just no words! Designers, engineers, workers are straining, and managers behave like rentier's shearing coupons! Plan ahead, plan options - is this not about them? ((
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 11 January 2019 08: 42
        -2
        Quote: depressant
        only now have they begun to scratch their turnips: where is it abroad, or can they take a composite at home?

        Here the choice is not great, carbon fiber with the highest characteristics in strength and modulus only Toray does. You can buy in China, but more layers will be required, it will be thicker and heavier. Yes, and the whole wing will need to be recounted again, and this is an additional cost and time.
    3. podymych
      11 January 2019 16: 31
      -1
      This, sorry, at first did not pretend to be analytics, in principle - this is an opinion in response to the "scarecrows" from the STAFF. In addition, fears of sanctions are practically a linden-tree, since the SSJ100R variant, which is planned for Iran, has almost no American components. There is more France in the engines ... Maybe it will!
      1. D16
        D16 11 January 2019 23: 53
        0
        Which will carry there. Will fly by fellow .
  6. exo
    exo 11 January 2019 08: 01
    +3
    The author confuses the PD-14 engines, which are brought to mind, with the PD-35 engine, which does not yet exist in metal.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 January 2019 12: 12
      0
      But it already exists in 3D models and demonstrator models.
    2. podymych
      11 January 2019 13: 57
      -1
      It’s to blame, your truth ... PD-14 will already be tested, and according to PD-35 even the working drawings have been signed yet, alas NEMAE ... But I wanted to believe in the future, bright, honest ... And I had more and more double-check. Rogozin will not believe a word or a comma anymore ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 January 2019 22: 40
        0
        Already ma -
        in a 3D model.
  7. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 January 2019 08: 54
    +4
    Russians usually don’t leave clients, they don’t set impossible conditions, including political conditions, they are also ready to train personnel on completely acceptable conditions. The same Americans simply cannot afford much of this.
    In the field of civil aviation, on the contrary, the after-sales service of Boeing and Airbus far exceeds the same Superjets. Therefore, Cityjet is turning off cooperation, and our airlines have a lot of questions, because of the downtime of our aircraft, because of the inability to quickly fix malfunctions.
    Indeed, for example, Superjets today leave for Thailand, if not like hot cakes, then certainly good New Year's gifts.
    What are the pies ?! 3 planes for the Royal Air Force are all, and then, the contract has been closed for half a year already - what New Year's cakes? wassat
    In the meantime, the same Perm Motors, which cooperate with Dry, at the 2018 finish, the distressful PD-35, designed for IL-106 superliners, of a completely different type than the SSJ100 superjet, actually came to mind. They have problems with foreign components, by definition, will be much less. PD-35 engines will be tested at a country test station in the village of New Lyady. In the same place, obviously, it will be possible to carry out tests and other engines - to the light IL-112, which has already passed the first taxiing, to the medium transport liner of the future IL-276 or, finally, to the latest MS 21-300.
    Well, with this paragraph, the author showed that his knowledge of the topic of the article is superficial - everything is completely messed up
  8. donavi49
    donavi49 11 January 2019 10: 02
    +5
    Russians usually don’t leave clients, they don’t set impossible conditions, including political conditions, they are also ready to train personnel on completely acceptable conditions. The same Americans simply cannot afford much of this.


    In-in. Before the new year, CityJet received statistics on downtime, they immediately filed for termination of the contract and return of the aircraft. Interget has a similar situation, but the park is larger and the Mexicans are accustomed to cannibalism and non-standard solutions - unlike the right Europeans. There, if the plane flies away in a lengthy Check or a rare part breaks down (you can’t cover it) = for half a year it is out of the game, because everything that is needed for other boards is removed from it until the details slowly go.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 January 2019 10: 44
    -1
    I’m not in the subject, but maybe someone knows on what basis a product purchased on the market I can’t put anywhere and then sell it to anyone. This is a market, and if someone forbids something, what kind of market is it? In this case, you need to uncover the trunk and live in the wild West at one time.
  10. Topgun
    Topgun 11 January 2019 11: 00
    +3
    Well, why fill the site with emptiness?
    then figs you find really decent work ...
  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 11 January 2019 12: 26
    0
    In the meantime, the same Perm Motors, which cooperate with Dry, at the 2018 finish, the distressful PD-35, designed for IL-106 superliners, of a completely different type than the SSJ100 superjet, actually came to mind. They have problems with foreign components, by definition, will be much less. PD-35 engines will be tested at a country test station in the village of New Lyady. In the same place, obviously, it will be possible to carry out tests and other engines - to the light IL-112, which has already passed the first taxiing, to the medium transport liner of the future IL-276 or, finally, to the latest MS 21-300.
    I'm a little shocked. Perm engines do not particularly cooperate with Sukhoi, PM engines are not installed on Sukhoi aircraft. PD-35 has not yet been created. Engines PD-35, like PS-90 or PD-14, cannot be tested at the test station in the village. Novye Lyady, because there is no test bench for aircraft engines, but there is something else, but I will not say what. )) Aircraft engines are tested at a stand near the Froly settlement, an excellent new stand has been built there. For the Il-112 PM, nothing will be tested, because it does not produce turboprop engines. For the MS-21-300, the PD-14 engine has been tested for a long time, and not only in Perm, but at the flight laboratory in Zhukovsky.
    In general, I have not read such a dense concentration of errors in just a couple of sentences of the article ...
    1. podymych
      11 January 2019 16: 25
      0
      In New Ljada, construction is just beginning, and the article just made assumptions that much can be rolled in there, so your complaints are not accepted, I'm sorry ...
    2. podymych
      11 January 2019 16: 28
      -2
      Yes, PD-35 has not yet been created, but to create it, you only need to "create" it. BUT this requires something other than the efforts of design engineers and test engineers. We need a working production, with which we have no seams at all without an Iranian order ...
      1. D16
        D16 12 January 2019 00: 06
        0
        Has Iran made an advance payment? Is this a firm order? Why did you decide that "seams"?
  12. Vodka and Meldonium
    Vodka and Meldonium 11 January 2019 14: 08
    -2
    Too complicated. International sanctions apply against Iran, Iran belongs to rogue countries, so the transfer of modern technology there is prohibited. That's all the explanations banned the export to Iran. Want to violate international sanctions? No problem. Rivet everything yourself and trade with rogue countries. And if you use components of foreign firms for 85%, then ask them for permission to do this, otherwise you yourself will get sanctions like Iran.
  13. nnz226
    nnz226 11 January 2019 16: 41
    -1
    It is not comme il faut to commemorate fat cattle of the Gaidar as it is to remember Trotsky in the 30 years of the last century.
  14. Rzzz
    Rzzz 11 January 2019 18: 01
    0
    And if you do not sell them, but rent them out? For the entire service life, for a price equal to the sale. They will belong to a fake Russian company, RA-89 *** will have registration, like the rest, they will only fly across Iran.
  15. mehan
    mehan 11 January 2019 20: 49
    +1
    Some good wishes and wishes. There are no engines, no wings, no hydraulics. And if they replace it with "left" guano, then who will buy it?
  16. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 11 January 2019 21: 11
    0
    Quote: Consultant
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Yugoslavia, Cuba, etc. Are not buyers of Soviet (Russian) technology? In the 90s we betrayed everything and everyone

    Well, let's pull an owl yes

    Do you know the word "force majeure"? Well, so this was force majeure, he (the force majeure of this one) was then awarded the Nobel Prize for this.

    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    What is a policy? it concentrated economy

    And twice two - four. And I know that too laughing

    And not a "concentrated economy" though. Someone tricked you.

    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Learn, read Lenin, Marx

    When I read them, you, campaign, were only in the project. .

    Quote: Consultant
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Yugoslavia, Cuba, etc. Are not buyers of Soviet (Russian) technology? In the 90s we betrayed everything and everyone

    Well, let's pull an owl yes

    Do you know the word "force majeure"? Well, so this was force majeure, he (the force majeure of this one) was then awarded the Nobel Prize for this.

    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    What is a policy? it concentrated economy

    And twice two - four. And I know that too laughing

    And not a "concentrated economy" though. Someone tricked you.

    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Learn, read Lenin, Marx

    When I read them, you, campaign, were only in the project. Ruddy critic of mine (s).

    In project? Well, you got excited about it. I am 64th year of birth. And when your blush did not interest me, maybe you?
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 11 January 2019 21: 16
      -4
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      In project? Well, you got excited about it. I'm 64 years old

      Good. At the time when I was already reading Lenin, you were still learning the multiplication table.

      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      And I haven’t ever been interested in your blush

      Yours and me now are not interested. And you need to know the classics wink

      It's not me. This is Pushkin. laughing
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 11 January 2019 21: 18
        0
        Quote: Consultant
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        In project? Well, you got excited about it. I'm 64 years old

        Good. At the time when I was already reading Lenin, you were still learning the multiplication table.

        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        And I haven’t ever been interested in your blush

        Yours and me now are not interested. And you need to know the classics wink

        It's not me. This is Pushkin. laughing

        Are you a hundred or something?
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  17. D16
    D16 11 January 2019 23: 50
    +1
    Maybe the author will give a link to an agreement between Russia and Iran on the sale of 20ti or 40ka SSJ. Maybe Iran made an advance payment, or what kind of aircraft were in general.
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  18. exo
    exo 12 January 2019 13: 07
    +2
    And then let someone try to prohibit the Thai King Maha Vachiralongkorn from reselling Russian ships to Iranians at a profit for themselves. After all, the same offshore business, for example, flourishes literally everywhere, and almost every second weapon is sold through third countries these days as much as anyone and anyone, right down to direct enemies.

    Alexey, you cannot imagine the supply chain of American and European components for aircraft. From the word "absolutely".
    Read the latest news on how the Boeing 737 MAX 8 got stuck in Norwegian low-cost airline Norwegian Air Shuttle stuck in Iran. This is a very vivid illustration. At the same time, the plane does not belong to Iran, and the problem cannot be solved.
    It is impossible to bypass the sanctions and sell the SuperJet with American and European filling. More precisely, selling something in the "dark" may come out. But then, big problems will begin.
    The second point: for SuperJets, there are no queues abroad. Rather, the opposite. The reason is not only in the plane. More, after-sales support.
  19. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 January 2019 20: 28
    0
    It would be better instead of PD-35 brought to mind NK-93.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 January 2019 22: 43
      0
      And they would get an engine with a thrust of 22 tons, instead of 30 -40 tons. Propeller-driven engines will be in demand on traction from 50 tons or more.
  20. Lighten
    Lighten 14 January 2019 08: 36
    0
    the author. Excuse in the style of us tear and we grow stronger ..... Nekanat. It is a fact that the project began in the years of late liberalism. What a serious partner was a Boeing who helped launch the project. But fact is fact. We were caught at the fabirge. Get out. But this is extremely unpleasant
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 January 2019 09: 15
    0
    Friends ... SSJ - a commercial aircraft for transporting people and making money .... And the tasks at its launch were as follows:
    - raising your aircraft
    - make a modern pass plane
    - substitution of foreign designs on its market
    - possible export worldwide

    It was impossible to do all of this immediately locally (and even now is problematic), but it is an end in itself for a civilian airliner.


    And all this had to be done on time and operated around the world.

    Iran is a small part of all this and is not an indicator of comm success and is not a customer loyal to us. At the slightest lifting of sanctions, they ran to Boeing and Airbus to buy airplanes and refused our agreements. Another thing is that such an aircraft is needed for state needs and with the constant devaluation of the Ruble, it becomes economically feasible to replace nodes with domestic ones.
  22. Major Pronin
    Major Pronin 16 January 2019 10: 50
    0
    Why is all this now being taught with such indignation and surprise? Everything was well known when signing contracts with American companies. The risk was known. And about the "hot cakes" in Thailand:
    Sukhoi Civil Aircraft announced the signing of an agreement of intent for the supply of six Superjets with the Thai airline Kom Airlines Company Limited in 2019-2020. Open Media could not find a company with that name. The AngryBonds telegram channel was the first to draw attention to the problem with finding Kom Airlines. Perhaps there was a typo in the message of the SCAC, and we are talking about the existing Thai company Kan Airlines. She is currently not flying as her only aircraft is currently under repair, according to the English version of her website. "
    In general, here is more about the status of the "Superjet": https://openmedia.io/news/gss-postavit-superdzhety-nesushhestvuyushhej-aviakompanii-iz-tailanda/
  23. Shel_007
    Shel_007 16 January 2019 11: 17
    0
    I read the comments, a lot of interesting things, I learned a lot of useful things, thanks to everyone! But the question crept in: “Do we have a lot of Superjets on domestic flights?” Someone correctly said that some foreign cars fly! So maybe before you push somewhere, start using your own technique at home! I’m not quite sure what we can’t do from our components ourselves, is military aviation there !?
  24. sailor52
    sailor52 16 January 2019 22: 24
    -1
    Interview with V. V. Pyakin on the "Superjet" topic:
    Pyakin V.V.: In general, we just talked about what we have in the elite, in the bureaucracy. Everyone understands what is happening, this is a man who sat down on the floor in front of us. And he said: "Everything! I will do everything to destroy the aircraft industry in Russia!" Because this is the only way to understand his statement.
    How is it that nobody needs Russian planes? Let's do this, in the first two presidential terms Putin made sure that the start of production of the TU-334 aircraft was prepared ...
    what did Putin do? ... our air carriers contracts, there 150 planes were ready to buy ... money was prepared ... can Putin put ours in a hopeless position, so no. Iran was ready to buy up to 300 aircraft TU-334 !! What did Medvedev do? Immediately he ruined all plans to revive the production of TU-334, and spent the money to buy Boeing. Maybe plans went somewhere to Iran? No, Iran wants to buy and spoke about this at the beginning of 2016. We are ready to buy 100 aircraft from you right now, ready to buy pieces !!! (knocking on the table)
    Immediately ready to buy just start to produce them, but the planes should be TU-334, TU-204 and TU-214, and for them that the KLA is loading ... this flying (2: 07) d ___ my 100 Superjet, they tell us it is not necessary, it’s Nobody needs the world !! you give us normal planes ... you do this ... carcasses do something ... no, we won't say, take this one ... what is it called ... superjetts.
    Farther! Nobody needs it! China turns to us "give us normal planes, we are ready to buy TU-204 from you", and they were again given one plane from the contract and then they say yes, take drying this is the most superjet 100. And the Chinese say, give us planes, give us carcasses , planes that fly, normal planes and not those ...
    After all, not one country has bought the 100 superjet, despite what that country and the other are saying. Everything buys Gazprom and imposes interstate treaties (3: 06). From the production we have a continuous loss of this and the MC-21 and the superjet 100 are airplanes that are produced exclusively from Western parts with western participation. Do they produce a competitive car for themselves?
    Where do you find them in the west? They are naturally ready to participate in the production of these aircraft, but they will make such a machine so that it does not compete. They don't buy this car. We spend money on the production of these aircraft, then Gazprom is again spent on buying them, and then we actually give them away. This is a continuous financial hole in the Russian budget. Aircraft must be produced !!! And he (….) What is he talking about? Further "we will increase production of the Superjet 100". Ramp up!! Nobody needs them, but we will increase them. We cannot compete with this aircraft in the airbus and with the Boeing, but we will increase
    We will not produce aircraft that are really in demand on the market is not TU-334, TU-204 and TU-214. We will produce this shit (4: 21)! Here is this friend did not understand, he still jumps in front. Does not understand to whom he jumps. For whom is he destroying the country?
    After the crash / (disaster in Indonesia) of the Sukhoi Superjet plane, such integrity of the information that we have in the analytical note and this volume together you will not find anywhere else, just nowhere. One way or another there are always some separate fragments. The analytical note on the fact said that the plane was non-flying (6: 26), that is, it is hopeless and the question of disaster is a matter of time. Although it was not purposeful in the presentation, but if you re-read you will understand that the question of disaster was a matter of time, but I have no such direct phrase.
    There is another aspect. Our analytical note says that the Sukhoi Superjet plane on 100% consists of imported components (7: 07). You will not find information about 100% anywhere except in our analytical note. On the basis of what we wrote about 100%, although we also talked about the crash and after talking about 80% -85%. We have put it on the basis of the fact that all the components and mechanisms that make up the aircraft and allow us to be called an aircraft, all these components and mechanisms - and the whole! And they do not belong to Russia in any way.
    VV Pyakin: In general, we just talked about what we have in the elite, in the bureaucracy. Everyone understands what is happening, this is a man who sat down on the floor in front of us. And he said: "Everything! I will do everything to destroy the aircraft industry in Russia!" Because this is the only way to understand his statement.
    How is it that nobody needs Russian planes? Let's do this, in the first two presidential terms Putin made sure that the start of production of the TU-334 aircraft was prepared ...
    what did Putin do? ... our air carriers contracts, there 150 planes were ready to buy ... money was prepared ... can Putin put ours in a hopeless position, so no. Iran was ready to buy up to 300 aircraft TU-334 !! What did Medvedev do? Immediately he ruined all plans to revive the production of TU-334, and spent the money to buy Boeing. Maybe plans went somewhere to Iran? No, Iran wants to buy and spoke about this at the beginning of 2016. We are ready to buy 100 aircraft from you right now, ready to buy pieces !!!
    Immediately ready to buy just start to produce them, but the planes should be TU-334, TU-204 and TU-214, and for them that supplies the KLA ... this flying d..mo Supernjet 100, they tell us it is not necessary, it is in the world to anyone do not!! you give us normal planes ... you do this ... carcasses do something ... no, we won't say, take this one ... what is it called ... superjetts.
    Farther! Nobody needs it! China turns to us "give us normal planes, we are ready to buy TU-204 from you", and they were again given one plane from the contract and then they say yes, take drying this is the superjet 100. And the Chinese say, give us planes, give us carcasses , planes that fly, normal planes and not those….
    Everything buys Gazprom and imposes interstate agreements
  25. sailor52
    sailor52 16 January 2019 22: 24
    0
    Part 2
    After all, not one country has bought the 100 superjet, despite what that country and the other are saying. Everything buys Gazprom and imposes interstate agreements . From the production we have a continuous loss of this and the MC-21 and the superjet 100 are airplanes that are produced exclusively from Western parts with western participation. Do they produce a competitive car for themselves?
    Where do you find them in the west? They are naturally ready to participate in the production of these aircraft, but they will make such a machine so that it does not compete. They don't buy this car. We spend money on the production of these aircraft, then Gazprom is again spent on buying them, and then we actually give them away. This is a continuous financial hole in the Russian budget. Aircraft must be produced !!! And he (….) What is he talking about? Further "we will increase production of the Superjet 100". Ramp up!! Nobody needs them, but we will increase them. We cannot compete with this aircraft in the airbus and with the Boeing, but we will increase
    We will not produce aircraft that are really in demand on the market is not TU-334, TU-204 and TU-214. We are going to produce this! Here is this friend did not understand, he still jumps in front. Does not understand to whom he jumps. For whom is he destroying the country?
    After the crash / (disaster in Indonesia) of the Sukhoi Superjet plane, such integrity of the information that we have set out in a brief and this volume together you will not find anywhere else, just nowhere. One way or another there are always some separate fragments. In the analytical note on the fact it was said that the plane is non-flying, that is, it is unpromising and the question of disaster is a matter of time. Although it was not purposeful in the presentation, but if you re-read you will understand that the question of disaster was a matter of time, but I have no such direct phrase.
    There is another aspect. Our analytical note says that the Sukhoi Superjet plane on 100% consists of imported components. You will not find information about 100% anywhere except in our analytical note. On the basis of what we wrote about 100%, although we also talked about the crash and after talking about 80% -85%. We put it on the basis of the fact that all the nodes and mechanisms that make up the aircraft and allow you to be called an airplane, all these nodes and mechanisms - and the smthy! And they do not belong to Russia in any way.

    All the nodes and mechanisms that make up the aircraft and allow you to be called an airplane, all these nodes and mechanisms - and the smthy! And they do not belong to Russia by any means.

    Even after the plane crash, additional things became clear that the company was hiding, very much hiding. In particular, it turned out that the ultra-modern dry engines - French, turned out to be old engines of French Mirage fighters (8: 07), processed under ... transport aircraft. Moreover, our experts and even designers had nothing to do with these engines. All performance characteristics, if something happened to him, everything was sent to France. And no data from the developers of this engine even with the Sukhoi design bureau was not divided. That is why such a failure occurred, how to eliminate it, there was nothing like this! And so it was for all nodes and mechanisms (8: 56). Our designers had nothing to do with our country. For what they gave us this engine, what they worked out there, what they wanted was not known, as well as on all units and mechanisms, on avionics on the chassis, absolutely everything.
    So here. Farther. Already after the catastrophe, one monstrous thing was revealed! The fact is that the plane turned out to be dry as a result of this development by as much as 4 tons (9: 43) !! This makes the aircraft non-operational, just generally. Can not be used for its intended purpose. Read about the plane in the analytical note.
    The most important thing for us is to understand this, an absolutely non-flying plane (10: 12) was created as a result of international cooperation. The plane was created that no one ever imagined that it would need to be released in flight (10: 24). Initially, the dry plane was created for a single purpose. When Putin created the KLA, he went to create our aviation, it is necessary that all the money that the state spends on aviation does not fall into the preservation of our aviation, but was spent in a different direction. For this, the Sukhoi Superjet project 100 was invented.
    When from zero it was necessary to prevent the aircraft from being fully flying, which in terms of the technical characteristics of the already proven flight, surpasses the 100 Sukhoi Superjet in all respects. It is known that the aircraft that design lays lower parameters than life. So, in all the absolute parameters TU-334 surpassed the Dry Superjet even what was announced. This project was launched in order to ruin the TU project in order for Russia to lose strategic aviation and aviation in general (11: 41).
    And they could have succeeded if it were not for Putin’s activities to support the production of Tupolev and the production of other aircraft. And they could not, because the plane had to complete the task by 2007, when it was supposed to be on the wing. It turned out that by the year 2007 aviation in Russia is and will have prospects for development.
    Changed the president in 2008 year and went further laundering and cut money. Again vbuhivanie there money. Gnoblenie full of our aviation industry, as it did not spread rot for a long time. Medvedev's presidency's 4 has expired, and Russian aviation is not completely ruined. It is simply impossible to produce this aircraft on the line, so you need to make a program that could continue the destruction of Russian aviation and at the same time covered the project of the dry. That is, a disaster was needed that would close the project superjet (13: 01).
    For this. If the superjet would just crash ... Look how critical the situation has become for them. When we wrote the analytical note "The Revolution Is Inevitable" we used exclusively open sources. At aviation forums, they said that information could not be found. But if you sit on the Internet and systematically dig, you could find, and we found. We found many parameters on the Internet, that is, information seeps out to the masses. We have systematized it and it has become more accessible. If ordinary people can find and organize information that shows that the Sukhoi Superjet 100 is generally a project to destroy our aircraft industry and cut money. Such information was available from specialists, the information is simply lethal. Therefore, if you do not close this project now, there will be such a question that Poghosyan himself will be closed. Which was aimed at destroying the Russian aviation industry. Therefore, to prevent this from happening, the developers themselves, Poghosyan and his company themselves need to crash the plane. (14:40). As performers, they were more than interested in keeping this plane gone.
    To crash a plane inside Russia, but there are few airplanes that are beating on trial. So you need to bang a blow to Russia. For this, the government immediately organizes dry certification, it was impossible to certify it. For what? In order for him to fly in a promotional tour and solve two problems: 1) so that Russian planes do not buy, 2) to buy western planes (15: 27). And the default task at the state level is to show the new leadership of Russia who is the boss and, in a symbolic language, further numerology.
    Voice from the audience: Why did they hit?
    Pyakin VV: Because there is a mountain 2211 and because there was an exhibition and sale. 22 - hierophany (???) two teams of 11 people. The plane 9 May crashed into it. 9 May which we celebrate as Victory in the year 45. 45 dead! That is, the characters are all here. Do you think you won? No guys! You are facing global governance. And you did not win. Will persist get like this plane, your plane. Here is a sign they sent.
    How they implemented it is technically not a problem. The fact is that all Western aircraft can be controlled from the ground. We have already spoken on the September 11 terrorist attack, I will not repeat. All French avionics and pilots can simply be turned off and they won't even know. Moreover, even the developers themselves did not know the parameters of this avionics, they were provided with them. But to make this all up, to plan and solve it through Pogosyan’s technical team, they did it. Therefore, some cover their tails so that they do not have, while others show signs and solve purely economic problems. And the global task of suppressing Russia. There will be no Russian aviation.