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Roscosmos does not plan to terminate the contract with NASA on the near-moon station

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The Roscosmos called upon not to exaggerate the consequences of NASA’s refusal to accept the head of the state corporation, Dmitry Rogozin, Kommersant words of the representative of the company Vladimir Ustimenko.


Roscosmos does not plan to terminate the contract with NASA on the near-moon station


In early January, it became known about the cancellation of the invitation of the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin in the United States. At the same time, the state corporation has not yet received official confirmation of such a decision.

I confirm once again that there were only publications in the media, so we cannot yet formally state the refusal,
said Ustimenko, urging not to exaggerate the possible consequences.

According to him, all the assumptions about the immediate withdrawal of Russians from the negotiations with NASA on the near-moon station "have no basis." The corporation intends to comply with all the agreements signed with the US agency and is not going to act as a mirror yet.

At the same time, Ustimenko confirmed that Roscosmos considers NASA to be a strange venture to communicate with Russian colleagues through the media, and not directly. However, the corporation is still awaiting official clarification.

Recall that Rogozin’s visit to NASA was scheduled for February 2019.

In the spring of last year, it was reported that the United States offered Russia to manufacture a gateway module for the near-moon station Gateway, intended for the crews to go into outer space. The module itself must be manufactured according to American standards.

The head of Roscosmos noted that Russia will continue to participate in the project, but only on an equal footing. He planned to discuss issues on this topic during his February visit to the United States.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 January 2019 15: 54
    +12
    Yes, it would be better with the Chinese to cooperate. Mattresses impose sanctions, in fact they are fighting with us, and we are playing in partnership .... money does not smell after all.
    1. Ⅴ - vendetta
      Ⅴ - vendetta 9 January 2019 16: 07
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      money doesn’t smell after all.

      This money goes to the development of Roskosmos. If the Chinese offered or we would have had enough money, then the Americans could be sent away. You cannot survive today without money, even on enthusiasm.
      1. demo
        demo 9 January 2019 16: 53
        +6
        Let me remind you again.
        Russia annually produces 560 million tons of oil.
        If you take one dollar from this with a mass of oil and transfer it to Roscosmos, then it can be enough for a lot.
        And if you take gas, coal, copper, aluminum, gold, platinum, silver, diamonds, rare earths, wheat, etc., then it’s enough to independently build a city on the moon, and not a station. Without Americans and Chinese.
        But who will take it?
        1. Leiba Bronstein
          Leiba Bronstein 9 January 2019 18: 20
          +2
          An interesting calculation. And if for 2 dollars?
          1. demo
            demo 9 January 2019 18: 30
            +1
            Then on Mars a hotel. hi
            1. krot
              krot 10 January 2019 10: 45
              0
              Where are Roskosmos's ambitions? Crumbs from the US table collect ..
      2. Hypatius
        Hypatius 9 January 2019 22: 01
        -1
        Yes, the Chinese and without us, cartoons learned to draw Of course Tyunyaev is still a conspiracy theorist, but the facts are on the "front of the head."
    2. Bastinda
      Bastinda 9 January 2019 18: 02
      0
      But Rogozin, Medvedev, Putin do not smell?
  2. spektr9
    spektr9 9 January 2019 15: 56
    +5
    That's right, we’ll make -
    In the spring of last year, it was reported that the United States offered Russia to manufacture a gateway module for the near-moon station Gateway, intended for the crews to go into outer space. The module itself must be manufactured according to American standards.

    After that, NASA will terminate the contract with Roskosmos ...
    1. Lieutenant Senior
      Lieutenant Senior 9 January 2019 17: 42
      -3
      Do not tear. Too Russia is strong in space. The Yankees can’t even bring astronauts on their own at NOU.
      They promise everything.
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 9 January 2019 17: 47
        +1
        will not tear. Too Russia is strong in space

        Yes, a hundred times already there was a joint project, but we still believe in the honesty and infallibility of our Western partners
        The Yankees can’t even bring astronauts on their own at NOU.

        And what do you think it will always be? I do not share your confidence that the West will no longer use the services of transportation of the Russian Federation, but it’s cheap, but if the political situation changes, there will be alternatives in the shortest possible time
        ps so that your space program must be calculated without the help of Western partners and their money for paying "delivery" ...
        1. Lieutenant Senior
          Lieutenant Senior 9 January 2019 17: 52
          +2
          The contract for the delivery of American astronauts was signed for at least two years.

          The Yankees are still those bugs, but space is not an environment where strife takes place. Even in Soviet times, there was an agreement on mutual assistance.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 10 January 2019 04: 18
            +1
            Quote: Lieutenant Senior
            space is not an environment where strife takes place. Even in Soviet times, there was an agreement on mutual assistance.

            There may be an agreement. Mutual assistance is not always.

            I heard from the ISS crews on TV that they are celebrating holidays together and are providing technical assistance to each other.

            And about the fire on the Mir on February 23, 1997, I heard that while four of our men were fighting the fire and smoke (you can't open the window!), Two Americans locked themselves in their compartment, where there was no smoke. They poked their noses out only when our men coped with the fire, took off their gas masks and respirators. Maybe the people just turned out to be rotten, maybe the system ... I don't know ...
    2. Leiba Bronstein
      Leiba Bronstein 9 January 2019 18: 21
      0
      Why tear it up?
    3. Tarhan
      Tarhan 10 January 2019 08: 38
      0
      After that, NASA will terminate the contract with Roskosmos ...

      If it breaks, then NASA will deal with the near-moon station. But Roscosmos can not cope.

      In general, the refusal to invite Rogozin is a response to the Rogozin trampoline. He blurted out the garbage, and now turns into a stopudovy answer.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 9 January 2019 16: 01
    +8
    In the spring of last year, it was reported that the United States offered Russia to manufacture a gateway module for the near-moon station Gateway, intended for the crews to go into outer space. The module itself must be manufactured according to American standards.

    The head of Roscosmos noted that Russia will continue to participate in the project, but only on an equal footing. He planned to discuss issues on this topic during his February visit to the United States.
    It's time to forget about the stations jointly with the United States, They can order something for their station, like this gateway or putting something into orbit, but no more. The Chinese remain, but they, as usual, keep quiet and wait for our requests to make this happen on more favorable terms for THEM. We ourselves will not pull such a project. And do we need it? It is unclear, because we do not have a coherent and substantive strategy in space for thirty years, everything is generally limited to vague words and frequently changing statements about promising developments (which, in fact, are attempts to follow "trends", and even simpler "chase a running train")
    1. IGU
      IGU 9 January 2019 16: 12
      +1
      It’s not clear, because we don’t have a coherent and objective strategy in space for thirty years
      - apparently because there is no financing strategy for such long-term projects.
      At the same time, Ustimenko confirmed that NASA considers it strange for NASA to communicate with its Russian colleagues through the media, and not directly.
      - and it has become a tradition of communication in everything.
    2. depressant
      depressant 9 January 2019 16: 58
      +1
      I remember how everyone was outraged that we, the great space power, were entrusted in the joint project to make only the hallway. Okay, wiped ourselves out and agreed to do. And now, the Americans seem to be about to abandon the joint project altogether. Or they will put unacceptable conditions, and we will refuse. In retaliation - my evil conspiracy theological theory: you were not, Americans on the moon! This is where the Chinese lodge? On the other side! And where will it hang, or will the joint lunar module fly by? Above the visible! Let the Russian cosmonaut enter the module, he will see that there are no traces of Neil Armstrong on the moon.
      1. Leiba Bronstein
        Leiba Bronstein 9 January 2019 18: 30
        +1
        September 6, 2011 NASA presented more detailed images of manned expedition sites made by LRO, for which the probe was transferred to a lower orbit above the surface. No one has denied these photos. Cosmonaut Pavel Vinogradov said that the stay of Americans on the moon in 1969 does not require verification, since there is enough evidence, evidence has been reported. 
        As such evidence, he proposed to listen to the talks of astronauts who had launched on Saturn 5, to see telemetric information from the moon, and pictures of Chinese stations. 
        “There are pictures of the Americans landing on the satellite, there are modules. What else can you talk about? ”, Vinogradov believes. 
        He also suggested that the decree of the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin to verify the fact of the landing of the Americans on the moon was a joke, and noted that it was “his right”. 
        “To prove that stupidity is stupidity is the most ungrateful thing,” said Vinogradov. 
        You can see the pictures, there are not only Apollo: https://fishki.net/1969646-foto-mest-posadok-zemnyh-apparatov-na-lune.html
      2. slipped
        slipped 9 January 2019 22: 15
        0
        Blizzard, blizzard. There is no contract for LOP-G. Nobody. There is simply an agreement of intent. Only an amateur can confuse the docking and storage node module with the "hallway".
  4. soul
    soul 9 January 2019 16: 03
    +7
    Collaboration will continue at least as long as it benefits NASA.
    1. Leiba Bronstein
      Leiba Bronstein 9 January 2019 18: 36
      0
      But this is correct, and it should be so on both sides. And all these "okolorozinskie" passions are not worth it. They will remember flights, and in ten years they will not even remember about some characters.
  5. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2019 16: 11
    +7
    The Roskosmos urged not to exaggerate the consequences of NASA's refusal to accept the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin, Kommersant quotes company representative Vladimir Ustimenko.
    Sometimes you look at the actions of our officials and immediately remember one of the stories of the fairy-tale king from Schwarz's "Ordinary Miracle": "Be patient, dear, maybe everything will work out."
    WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE. And the answer must be really "mirrored", it is not clear with the invitation, and therefore "vague" with the questions necessary for NASA
  6. MP
    MP 9 January 2019 16: 14
    -3
    Americans, as women, are afraid to directly say “I don’t need you,” but by silence and through third hands they try to end the relationship.
  7. watchmaker
    watchmaker 9 January 2019 16: 17
    +7
    When we begin to respect ourselves, then they will begin to respect us. In the meantime, the Head of Roscosmos, they are writing messages on the fence, believing that it’s already normal, the most offensive that the Russian government and the Cosmos itself also think so.
    What's with the holes? Who drilled them? Russians?
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 9 January 2019 16: 32
      +1
      Quote: watchmaker
      What's with the holes? Who drilled them? Russians?

      optionally, Kazakhs could, Belarusians, Ukrainians, anyone. In RKK Energia, a bunch of nationalities work.
    2. Hypatius
      Hypatius 9 January 2019 22: 06
      -1
      We can say our official version, said in an undertone.
  8. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 9 January 2019 16: 20
    +1
    And what is the contract already? To develop a Deep Space Gateway? It seems that only negotiations were going on .... Of course, the position of Roscosmos is strange, then we do not want to be on the sidelines, the "contract" which, in theory, should not be, we are not going to break.

    PS Although there are more likely intentions about cooperation and a mistake in the title.
  9. BAI
    BAI 9 January 2019 16: 20
    +1
    However, the corporation is still awaiting formal clarifications.

    What are the official clarifications? All through Twitter!
  10. watchmaker
    watchmaker 9 January 2019 16: 38
    -2
    Quote: Henderson
    Quote: watchmaker
    What's with the holes? Who drilled them? Russians?

    optionally, Kazakhs could, Belarusians, Ukrainians, anyone. In RKK Energia, a bunch of nationalities work.

    Hm. Anyone, just not the Americans ...... But for me, so any muck, any stink, then without shit democracy could not do.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 January 2019 01: 28
      0
      At the space station, only the muffled sound of the drill will not be heard - the American crew are not so dumb as to drill a hole in the ship's hull at the station. Obviously, this hole was drilled on the ground.
  11. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 9 January 2019 16: 43
    -1
    This is stupid, and short-sighted, you need to take up your program, and not stupidly grovel in front of the United States — the agreement must be terminated, it is harmful to Russia.
  12. prior
    prior 9 January 2019 16: 48
    +1
    Roskosmos, in its cooperation with the United States, is like a drowning man who grabs at every "American straw".
    NASA will suck out from Roskosmos all that is valuable that it still has and will throw, as usual, Americans throw their partners to whom they have lost interest.
  13. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 9 January 2019 16: 55
    -9
    The Chinese lunar rover has already confirmed that there is no flag and descent modules at the Apollo 11 landing site. How can you trust such "friends" ??? ...
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 9 January 2019 17: 52
      +7
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      The Chinese lunar rover has already confirmed that there is no flag and descent modules at the Apollo 11 landing site. How can you trust such "friends" ??? ...

      Where are you from? Chinese lunar rover on the dark side of the moon did not find the landing site of the Americans on the bright side? Do you think the moon is flat?
    2. Topgun
      Topgun 9 January 2019 19: 09
      +2
      what is your comment based on? on your fantasies?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 January 2019 01: 29
      0
      Symptom of a flat brain punishment.
  14. Snail N9
    Snail N9 9 January 2019 17: 14
    +4
    This station is a complete disgrace. From the very beginning, Russia was offered to create a gateway module according to American standards with the transfer of all rights to it and technologies to the Americans. At first, ours balked because they understood that the work was one-time, then the Americans would kick them out and would do everything themselves. And now look, ours at everything already, agree, and according to "American standards" and so on .... and even the current savory grub of American-type "partners" in the face of Rogoz ... not an obstacle, wiped off and smiling, continue to carry then there are contracts that were previously categorically refused ... Disgusting.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 9 January 2019 17: 53
      -3
      Quote: Snail N9
      Disgusting

      For this, then they pay money, are you against it?
  15. Evil echo
    Evil echo 9 January 2019 17: 22
    -2
    Wildly enrages the spinelessness of our bureaucrats. Rogozin was not allowed, Mlyn trouble Kaka! Why is he going there? What do they need us for? And with the lunar program we rush about it is not clear why. Well, they don’t want to see us there, and a vegetable with them. You can fly to the extremes with China, if you really can’t wait. Although we and Siberia Terra incognito.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 9 January 2019 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Why is he going there?

      Rub graters, decide the loot. We need the Americans (represented by NASA and ULA) to continue to use our "alliances" and buy engines.
      Roscosmos and Boeing (as the owner of ULA) have common interests. Boeing wants to get a bigger piece in the launches of astronauts on its Orion, but Orion is launched on Atlases 5 and the launch price depends on Roscosmos, if SpaceX will be cheaper to launch, then the Orion + Atlas 5 project may be bent. Then the ULA will not purchase engines from Roskosmos.
      Roscosmos needs NASA to continue to buy seats in the Unions, but taking into account SpaceX's successes, this could be covered with a copper basin. In general, they need to negotiate prices for engines and places in order to withstand competition with SpaceX. NASA and Boeing are ready to negotiate, but someone in Congress does not want to allow this.
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 9 January 2019 18: 22
        0
        Orion will run on SLS. And it does not Boeing, but Lockheed Martin. Boeing makes Starliner, which is exactly what should be launched on the Atlas-5 launch vehicle.
        Well, Atlas-5, in any case, will leave the scene quite soon, and then Vulcan from the same ULA will become Starliner’s carrier
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 9 January 2019 18: 42
          -1
          Quote: Henderson
          Orion will run on SLS.

          Thanks, mixed up.
          Quote: Henderson
          Boeing makes Starliner, which is exactly what should be launched on the Atlas-5 launch vehicle.

          All true.
          Quote: Henderson
          then Starliner will be Vulcan from the same ULA

          To the Volcano is still far, he is still unfinished and a devourer of the budget. And the question of who will launch the astronauts will be decided this year and next, and Boeing has all hope only for Atlas 5. And here the launch price will be decisive.
          1. Henderson
            Henderson 9 January 2019 21: 02
            0
            Yes, both will be. NASA specifically keeps two competitors on the chain.
      2. Consultant
        Consultant 9 January 2019 20: 53
        -4
        Quote: Puncher
        NASA and Boeing are ready to negotiate, but someone in Congress does not want to allow this

        For some reason I remember the word "lobby" what
  16. Henderson
    Henderson 9 January 2019 18: 20
    0
    Rogozin apparently sobered up after the holidays ..
  17. bone1
    bone1 9 January 2019 19: 07
    0
    Rogozin was not allowed into the states — no, to be offended and send this NASA in three letters — continue to be served.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 9 January 2019 19: 32
      -1
      Quote: Bone1
      not to take offense and send this NASA in three letters, continue to be served.

      It would be possible, if not the fact that the enterprises of Roscosmos are bankrupt.
      1. bone1
        bone1 9 January 2019 19: 35
        0
        Doruli? -And the Americans will help?
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 9 January 2019 19: 44
          -1
          Quote: Bone1
          Doruli? -And the Americans will help?

          80 million dollars for a place in the Union is not even sickly. And also engines for the Atlas ...
          1. bone1
            bone1 9 January 2019 19: 46
            +1
            But how much does Russia cost a place in the Union? -Can it be more profitable for a country not just to roll Americans?
            1. Hole puncher
              Hole puncher 9 January 2019 20: 40
              0
              Quote: Bone1
              But how much does Russia cost a place in the Union? -Can it be more profitable for a country not just to roll Americans?

              No matter how much, but it's not in the currency.
            2. slipped
              slipped 9 January 2019 22: 09
              0
              The ISS program is international and Russia has once again "lent a shoulder" to the project partners, after the shuttles stopped flying. Of course, "not free", which by the way fits well into the framework of the agreement on the ISS. Nothing personal, just business. For everything that goes beyond the agreement, either money is paid or barter goes.
            3. Henderson
              Henderson 10 January 2019 13: 05
              0
              If the Americans are not rolled, then the Unions will fly half empty. And it will get up very expensive.
  18. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 9 January 2019 19: 18
    -1
    No need to humiliate yourself: "... There was love without joy, separation will be without sorrow ..."
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2019 19: 41
    -3
    Probably enough to jump in front of the striped, it's time to call them to order, but no, so go to the hair dryer, as my mother said.
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 9 January 2019 21: 13
      -2
      Quote: Ros 56

      Probably enough to jump in front of the striped, it's time to call them to order, but no, so let's go to the hair dryer

      You, like many others, for some reason consider the "striped" a homogeneous mass pursuing common interests.

      This is not true. The simplest example: Trump is good - Clinton is bad. Bad Boeing - good Mask (competitor problems are always a joy).

      Now, someone in Congress wanted the Boeing to have problems. And the Russian Federation at the same time, and many still in the States. I decided to rock the boat, og laughing

      And you say - send ... whom, Boeing, with whom it is bad or good, but you can work? What for? Congress? Yes, they don't give a damn about these "messages", they are like our deputies - they don't care either ...

      Children's grievances are good in the sandbox. And space is including politics, and a very, very big business, and much, much more. Here with children's insults - well, no way nizya request

      IMHO, yes.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 January 2019 09: 50
        -2
        Usual reasoning, ordinary huckster. We are dealing not with firms, but with the state. And already it represents its representative to us, and this Boeing or General Electric does not matter. We currently deliver titanium products to Boeing, and the striped ones gave a red light on SSJ deliveries to Iran, that you order Boeing to kiss and take the striped ones to the ISS for free, but we are developing a common cause for all of humanity. But hrenushki, wild grin of capitalism in your hands in matters of development of big business. So stop blowing in your ears, striped should get what they run into. I was also found, a citizen of the world. Swam, we know.
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 10 January 2019 13: 08
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          We currently supply titanium products to Boeing.

          Do not supply. Only titanium itself, Boeing itself makes products from it.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 10 January 2019 13: 10
            0
            But what's the difference in principle, here they are plus and composite for the MS-21 killed.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 10 January 2019 13: 17
              0
              Minus, then I'm right. And then they pretend to be, well, very objective commentators, and the usual liberal liberals have striped backsides themselves.
        2. Consultant
          Consultant 10 January 2019 20: 10
          -4
          Quote: Ros 56
          We are not dealing with firms, but with the state

          Personally, we, to be honest, deal exclusively with the sofa. Combat, og.

          Roscosmos is dealing with a Boeing. This is a private trader. And with NASA. This is the state.

          Quote: Ros 56
          We currently supply titanium products to Boeing, and the striped ones gave a red light ...

          Boeing is supplied with titanium, not products. The US Treasury Department denied the "permission to supply" SSJ100 to Iran. Not Boeing.

          You suggest punishing Boeing for this. Where is the logic?

          Quote: Ros 56
          ... an ordinary huckster ... I was also found, a citizen of the world ...

          Rude not recommend No.

          Quote: Ros 56
          Swam ...

          Yes, you continue to do this successfully until now. Right here and now laughing
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2019 19: 49
    -1
    It seems that the Americans have specifically "moored" someone in Roscosmos, even the declaration of an enemy does not affect the Russians.
  21. irazum
    irazum 9 January 2019 20: 11
    +1
    And there is still no answer to the question "who drilled and why"?
  22. Evil echo
    Evil echo 9 January 2019 20: 25
    +1
    Quote: Puncher
    Quote: Evil Echo
    Why is he going there?

    Rub graters, decide the loot. We need the Americans (represented by NASA and ULA) to continue to use our "alliances" and buy engines.
    Roscosmos and Boeing (as the owner of ULA) have common interests. Boeing wants to get a bigger piece in the launches of astronauts on its Orion, but Orion is launched on Atlases 5 and the launch price depends on Roscosmos, if SpaceX will be cheaper to launch, then the Orion + Atlas 5 project may be bent. Then the ULA will not purchase engines from Roskosmos.
    Roscosmos needs NASA to continue to buy seats in the Unions, but taking into account SpaceX's successes, this could be covered with a copper basin. In general, they need to negotiate prices for engines and places in order to withstand competition with SpaceX. NASA and Boeing are ready to negotiate, but someone in Congress does not want to allow this.

    And what is SpaceX already launching manned?
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 9 January 2019 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: Evil Echo
      And what is SpaceX already launching manned?

      No one has much doubt that this will happen in 2019. Therefore, care must be taken in advance.
  23. Evil echo
    Evil echo 9 January 2019 20: 49
    0
    Quote: Puncher
    Quote: Evil Echo
    And what is SpaceX already launching manned?

    No one has much doubt that this will happen in 2019. Therefore, care must be taken in advance.

    And I’m getting into trouble.
  24. slipped
    slipped 9 January 2019 22: 18
    0
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    And what is the contract already? To develop a Deep Space Gateway? It seems that only negotiations were going on .... Of course, the position of Roscosmos is strange, then we do not want to be on the sidelines, the "contract" which, in theory, should not be, we are not going to break.

    PS Although there are more likely intentions about cooperation and a mistake in the title.


    There is no contract, there is an agreement of intent and subsequent negotiations - that's about them and talk.
  25. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 10 January 2019 12: 46
    0
    Quote: Puncher
    Quote: Igor Borisov_2
    The Chinese lunar rover has already confirmed that there is no flag and descent modules at the Apollo 11 landing site. How can you trust such "friends" ??? ...

    Where are you from? Chinese lunar rover on the dark side of the moon did not find the landing site of the Americans on the bright side? Do you think the moon is flat?


    If you carefully read the information about the Chinese lunar rover, you can read that for communication with this lunar rover over the light side of the moon, the Chinese hung the device. And how do you think he can not make out the place of the alleged landing of the Americans on the moon?
  26. kutuz
    kutuz 11 January 2019 01: 09
    0
    "they offered Russia to make a lock module for the lunar station" - if I were the Americans, I would not risk it, they risk being left without the station.