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South Korean ZRPK Biho 2 will take part in a tender for air defense for the US Army

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Hanwha Defense, the South Korean corporation, which won the tender for supplying the Indian armed forces with the Biho anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRPK), plans to offer the next generation of its US Army Biho 2 system as a short-range air defense system. Reports about it "VP" with reference to the representative of the South Korean company.


South Korean ZRPK Biho 2 will take part in a tender for air defense for the US Army

Biho2


According to the developers, the ZRPK of the new generation Biho 2 is designed to destroy all air threats in the nearest air defense zone on the move and while protecting the facilities. Unlike the Biho ZRPK, the new generation Biho2 complex is proposed to be placed on the chassis of the new infantry fighting vehicle Redback AS21 8 × 8. Armament - two 30 or 40 mm guns with air exploded shells and anti-aircraft missiles.

Recall that the Biho ZRPK from the South Korean company Hanwha Defense won the tender for the supply of short-range air defense to the Indian army. In addition to the South Koreans, the Russian concern Almaz-Antey with Tunguska and the Tula Instrument Design Bureau with Pantsyrem took part in the competition.


Biho


The Biho ZRPK is equipped with two 30 mm anti-aircraft guns and four anti-aircraft guided missiles. The effective firing range of the guns is 3000 m, the rate of fire 1200 rds / min. The missiles hit targets at a distance of 5000 meters. The radar installed on the vehicle detects targets at a range of 21 km. Movement speed - 60 km / h.
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http://southkoreanmilitary.blogspot.com/
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 7 January 2019 10: 54
    0
    That Americans bought the products of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation? It’s ridiculous. They need to feed their allies and cut the budget.
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 January 2019 12: 08
      +3
      Quote: oleg-gr
      That Americans bought the products of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation?

      Excuse me, whose rocket engines are they buying?
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 7 January 2019 15: 26
      +5
      Quote: oleg-gr
      That Americans bought the products of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation?

      and where did you read such nonsense? belay negative or so it seemed to you after reading ???? wassat
  2. taiga2018
    taiga2018 7 January 2019 10: 57
    +1
    is it really such a cool ZRPK that the Indians preferred it instead of ours, tested in military operations, or the whole point is in price ...
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 7 January 2019 11: 17
      +2
      The thing is a rollback. As long as we had socialism with a planned economy, and we were given real terms for the amount that the capitalists laughed at, there was such developed and effective corruption in South Korea that our current bureaucrats, except for the impudence parameter, to grow and grow
      1. Tarhan
        Tarhan 7 January 2019 11: 30
        -1
        there was such developed and effective corruption in South Korea,

        It was. Now there is no such scale.

        Somewhere in the 90s, one candidate for the post of president of South Korea put forward a point, of his election campaign, the fight against corruption. Journalists asked how it would look in practice. The challenger replied - First, plant your two closest friends. You know for that. And they know for that.

        This challenger did not become president. But a year ago, South Korean Themis imprisoned her president for 20 years. So the direction was right.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 7 January 2019 11: 34
          0
          Quote: Tarkhan
          . But a year ago, South Korean Themis imprisoned her president for 20 years.

          What makes you think that it was a free service? laughing
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 7 January 2019 11: 38
            +4
            What makes you think that it was a free service?

            Oh yes, I forgot. Here, the majority prefers to explain everything not with objective data, but with the machinations of the USA, demons, aliens.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 7 January 2019 11: 39
              0
              Quote: Tarkhan
              Oh yes, I forgot. Here, the majority prefers to explain everything with non-objective data.

              No pathetic - just prove the opposite.
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 7 January 2019 11: 50
                +3
                No pathetic - just prove the opposite.

                Do not twist the basis of the discussion. You were the first to say that this is not a free service. So someone paid. First, confirm your statement - where, who, when. And then I, if I consider your arguments inappropriate, will prove that this is not so.

                This statement of yours is akin to the scholastic attack of a blindly believing priest. He was the first to claim that God did everything. The sane doubts, but the priest himself, having no objective, scientific evidence of the existence of God, gives out - And you prove that there is no God.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 7 January 2019 12: 03
                  -3
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  You were the first to say that this is not a free service

                  I just asked for your confidence.
            2. Ivan Ivanov
              Ivan Ivanov 7 January 2019 13: 44
              +1
              Quote: Tarkhan
              This challenger did not become president. But a year ago, South Korean Themis imprisoned her president for 20 years. So the direction was right.

              who will guarantee that the planted one is not the victim of a clan fight?
            3. StudentVK
              StudentVK 7 January 2019 14: 22
              0
              You understand what’s the matter, that our carapace REALLY works out quite successfully in practice in Syria, and this BIGUS is unclear what kind of dish. I’m not saying that it’s bad, but soberly speaking, in theory, the Indian mo should have preferred our air defense missile systems)
              1. mehan
                mehan 7 January 2019 14: 50
                +2
                And what did he do?
                1. StudentVK
                  StudentVK 7 January 2019 15: 51
                  +2
                  Last time he participated in the downing of most Israeli cruise missiles such as Delilah. Successfully! And during the attack of amers and ko on Syria with the help of tomahawks. Also successful.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 8 January 2019 01: 29
                    -1
                    attacks of amers and ko on Syria with the help of tomahawks. Also successful.

                    There is data that is successful? They launched 103, and showed fragments of 4-5 missiles ... did the others disappear? Or flew back? Or tohomavki immediately flew to Russia, testimony to give and access to new technologies ...
                    PS: Delilah is 25 years old ... coming soon.
                    1. StudentVK
                      StudentVK 8 January 2019 16: 31
                      0
                      You see, respected chip), the Jews in some of these missiles advanced in some areas even further than amers, i.e. they were given in many ways even better than the Tomahawk, and unlike amers, they constantly “seriously” fight at their theater of war and they have upgraded their Delilah more than once. I’m only talking about the fact that against those who say that Israel generally uses technology from cruise missiles and against those who say that they have these old missiles) Truth or truth is somewhere in between))))
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 8 January 2019 19: 06
                        0
                        .e. they were given in many ways even better than tomahawk

                        Delilah with a tomahawk in different weight categories .. one has a range of 250, the other 1500, and the cost is 30 times different .. Tomahawks Block IV, very interesting CD, the best in the world, in this class. And to modernize Delilah and, moreover, to shoot at the "Papuans-Syrians" with something fresh, when there is a stock of rotten tactical missiles in the warehouses - this is not for Jews, especially since the air defense of Syria is practically destroyed.
                        Israel generally spins everyone on cruise missile technology

                        Israel does not "twist" anyone, it just knows how to count money. Yes, they have excellent new developments, both Rafel's anti-ship missiles and ATGMs .. Spikes, there are anti-missiles, together with the USShchA. And a bunch of other things ... but this is for a heavy mess, not for the rogue Syrians.
                      2. StudentVK
                        StudentVK 8 January 2019 19: 52
                        0
                        Yes, we are not an alliance to help “large rogues of the Syrians” with their army in large amounts) And for serious, what are you talking about? About a wave with Iran or with someone bigger)?
                      3. mvg
                        mvg 9 January 2019 00: 02
                        0
                        Iran or with someone bigger)?

                        Iran, not so long ago there were graters with Turks ... but, most of all, of course. Iran / Iraq / Syria and, behind the scenes, another Arap world ... Jordan, Yemen, money Qatar.
                        PS: I must admit, Israel does not have competitors in BV. The only thing is not to run into Russia .. well, or Russia does not run into Israel. Then everything will be needed .. and the Iron pan, and Spike, and the Navy, and the Air Force ... and God forbid, if everything goes without tactical nuclear weapons. Israel also has something to answer. Up to the ICBMs.
                      4. StudentVK
                        StudentVK 9 January 2019 00: 59
                        0
                        Well answer who ????? As far as I and not just me, they don’t have intercontinental missiles, but there are RSDs. This is from the series nafig goat button accordion. Did you specifically write about Russia running into Israel?) Is it like they are on us, we are on them)))? If something starts, then we are definitely the last beneficiaries of this. I read the opinion of some experts up to the point that in which case our bases would be under attack and could be destroyed (this is if the Jews are VERY hard, we have the most advanced air defense system there and the whole security of the bases is pretty well organized) then after Israel and its army and navy will have nothing left of the word. This is not the case where David went against Goliath) The tambourine will be uncovered and will not frown.
        2. irazum
          irazum 7 January 2019 11: 56
          +11
          The words about the landing of the Kent belong to the leader of Singapore.
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 7 January 2019 12: 00
            -1
            The words about the landing of the Kent belong to the leader of Singapore.

            I apologize. Long read, forgot. But my forgetfulness does not change the essence of the fight against corruption.

            South Korea, for the landing of its president, also went through a series of dictatorial regimes in the past.
            1. irazum
              irazum 7 January 2019 12: 11
              +2
              In South Korea, this problem has been practically solved for 25 years. I think about this, when the DPRK gets on the "right" rails, the same thing awaits them, no one wants to learn from other people's mistakes, they will fill their "bumps" ...
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 7 January 2019 12: 35
                -4
                I think about this, when the DPRK gets on the "right" rails, the same thing awaits them, no one wants to learn from other people's mistakes, they will fill their "bumps" ...

                The DPRK will never get on the right track. All rails of socialism lead to a dead end.

                73 years ago, in 1945, feudal Korea lay in ruins. North Korea occupied the USSR and introduced a socialist economic system. The United States occupied the South and introduced a market economy.

                Both there and there are one and the same people, with one story, with the same customs, with one mentality, with one attitude to work.

                Now South Korea is rich and at the forefront of scientific and technological progress. North Korea in poverty and on the outskirts of civilization. Only with an atomic rattle in his hands. So South Korea can easily acquire an atom, but it is committed to peace.

                The same thing will happen with the DPRK as with the GDR. GDR entered the Federal Republic of Germany. And the DPRK will enter the United Korea in the future. Although, of course, the economic gap between the GDR and the FRG was not as terrifying as it is between the DPRK and South Korea at the moment.
                1. Vladimir T
                  Vladimir T 7 January 2019 12: 48
                  +4
                  The USSR never occupied Korea.
                  1. Tarhan
                    Tarhan 7 January 2019 14: 51
                    -3
                    USSR never occupied Korea

                    "The fighting in the Korean direction developed in parallel with the Manchu blitzkrieg: on the night of August 8-9, the Red Army crossed the Sino-Korean border in the Gyeongheung area. At the same time, the Pacific Fleet began shelling the border port cities of Korea and preparing for their capture. 12 In August, the ports of Ungi and Najin, located near the border with the USSR, were taken.From 13 to 16 August, Soviet troops stormed the key port of northeastern Korea - Chongjin.
                    On August 24, Soviet airborne assault forces landed in Pyongyang and Hamhyn to accept official surrender.
                    The Soviet military leadership sent units of the 25th Army under the command of Colonel-General IM Chistyakov, which was part of the 1st Far Eastern Front, as well as ships and units of the Pacific Fleet and aviation to the northern part of Korea. "

                    Vladimir is first taught the mathematical part, and only then they make statements.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 7 January 2019 21: 53
                      +1
                      to whom the occupation, to whom the liberation, a question of terms, Berlin is still occupied in 1945
                      1. Tarhan
                        Tarhan 8 January 2019 07: 33
                        0
                        to whom the occupation, to whom the liberation, a question of terms, Berlin is still occupied in 1945

                        First they captured Berlin. And then, in agreement with the allies - the USA, England, France, divided Germany into zones of occupation.
                2. Ivan Ivanov
                  Ivan Ivanov 7 January 2019 13: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  The United States occupied the South and introduced a market economy.


                  The chaebols from which Samsung and the like grew up are not a market economy, but the result of a business-state agreement, technological assistance and open markets by states, this is a showcase. Most cap systems are similar to central and South America. Let's compare the DPRK for example with Haiti.
                  1. SSR
                    SSR 7 January 2019 14: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: IvanIvanov
                    from which samsung and etc. grew

                    +))) many people think that Samsung is a household appliance))) and they build Arabs and skyscrapers and tanker / gas carrier ships, etc., etc.
                    1. Ivan Ivanov
                      Ivan Ivanov 10 January 2019 13: 08
                      0
                      Quote: SSR
                      )) many people think that Samsung is a household appliance)))

                      Great, but what does it change in the history of their development? In Japan, by the way, a similar story of an economic miracle is directive. They laughed at the Japanese technology and even found their own gadars with the proposal "let's forget, ineffective, unprofitable", etc., but the government said - we will do it and did it, though the US markets were opened for them. The PRC is going the same way, squeezing out Japan, which now has obvious stagnation.
                      1. SSR
                        SSR 10 January 2019 13: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: IvanIvanov
                        Quote: SSR
                        )) many people think that Samsung is a household appliance)))

                        Fine, but what does it change in the history of their development?

                        Japan, South Korea, the Federal Republic of Germany to their US companies were opened and launched into markets, where the move was closed to others.
                        The last example of the time is Israel.
                        See how the German auto industry was in a fever due to a diesel engine, how the Europeans are storming off sanctions on RosAl, I won’t continue and so these are obvious things, only what kind of squabble is going on for the gas market.
                      2. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 10 January 2019 13: 30
                        0
                        I do not argue, one price / quality is not enough, we need sales markets that you can manage.
        3. IL-18
          IL-18 7 January 2019 12: 04
          0
          Quote: Tarkhan
          Now there is no such scale.

          Here! Therefore, they use the acquired skills outside the country, for example, in India.
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 7 January 2019 12: 11
            +2
            Here! Therefore, they use the acquired skills outside the country, for example, in India.

            Here's what to invent the uttermost and to fence wattle in the desert?

            Tunguska, Shell, Biho participated on an equal basis in the Indian tender. Biho, for some quality, was better liked by the Indians. Tunguska, Carapace lost. It is necessary to draw conclusions why they lost, what they did not modify and what they did not take into account.

            So no, again everyone is to blame, including moles underground and aliens in space.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 7 January 2019 15: 25
              0
              Quote: Tarkhan
              Tunguska, Carapace lost. It is necessary to draw conclusions why they lost, what they did not modify and what they did not take into account.

              Nobody has lost yet, and no one has won. Well, ours, getting involved in Indian dances, are well aware of how long this "disco" can be. Here, just, Koreans can be incredibly surprised by the final result of these trades. yes
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 7 January 2019 19: 01
              +1
              So, the people are trying to understand by what signs Biho is recognized as the best. Personally, I still see only one - shells. But the range and ceiling of the ZUR-ok for the Korean is definitely worse and does not provide protection for its armored vehicles from ATGMs.
              1. mvg
                mvg 8 January 2019 01: 33
                +1
                It does not protect its armored vehicles from ATGMs.

                And what, Tunguska also knocks ATGM? No. She fights with drones with varying success ... almost on equal terms wink
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 8 January 2019 09: 28
                  0
                  You are probably the last to use the term ATGM.
                  How Tunguska works on UAVs, I personally do not have information, if you have one, then share it, everyone will be interested. But did you happen to accidentally mislead Tunguska with the Shell?
                  So, I meant that the range of the loin is only 5 km, i.e. obviously less than that of modern helicopter ATGMs. But the Tunguska - no
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 8 January 2019 11: 28
                    0
                    But did you happen to accidentally mislead Tunguska with the Shell?

                    Of course, the Shell, aka Tunguska-3 ... And there is no information that they solved the problem.
                    You are probably the last to use the term ATGM.

                    The last samurai, also a good movie. I'm used to pturs.
                    The range of the pet SK in the drum, for that matter. Doubts that she will land an 8 km helicopter. And the last helfires fly 12–16 km, and they promise to 20. And something tells me that, in addition to air blasting of shells, the SC also has more interesting radars. Not to mention the chassis. Hence the price comparable to the Shell. True, according to my data, the price tag for Shell-S has gone beyond a billion for the needs of Russia, and God knows how much for export. And his abilities in Syria, by no means impressive. I already wrote this before. And this is without rep from the coalition and Israel.
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 8 January 2019 12: 34
                      0
                      Well, firstly, why on earth did the Shell become Tunguska-3? Now they are even being promoted by various offices. I would understand if you called him Roman-2. And even if there is a problem with the Shell (which is also not a fact - anyone and anything can write on the Internet), it does not mean at all that the Tunguska has the same problem. The range of the air defense system can be for you on the drum, but not for the air defense crew and , especially to crews of covered equipment.
                      With a range of 5 km, a rotorcraft can calmly launch an ATGM from a range of the same 5-6 km without fear of return fire. Those. , for him there is no problem with the detection and identification of the target, the flight time is reduced, and for the target it is much more difficult to hide behind cover or put in an obstacle - the same cloud of aerosols.
                      Yes, ATGM can be done with a range of at least 10, at least 20 km, only with the increase in range all of the above problems increase.
                      Further, the Korean has only 4 zeroes, and not all-weather ones. And then what - to declare a truce? You may have noticed that the general trend is precisely an increase in BC.
                      By the way, here is just about them, zurkov -
                      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3486776.html
                      Russia prevents the conclusion of a contract for the K30 Biho air defense missile defense system between India and South Korea
                      The legal basis for pressure on the Indian side regarding this tender for Russia is, apparently, the fact that the upgraded version of Biho chosen by the Indians uses Chiron (Shingung) MANPADS missiles, which was developed with the active participation of Russian developers under the corresponding agreement of 2003. In particular, the St. Petersburg-based LOMO OJSC has fully developed an infrared homing head for the Chiron missile complex; Russian contractors have also developed the rocket's aerodynamics, its warhead and a proximity fuse.
                      And the radar - is it more interesting, because Korean? So it should be very interesting, because it immediately replaces 2 radars - SOC and CHP, as is done in Tunguska and in most normal systems.
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 8 January 2019 18: 58
                        0
                        With a range of 5 km, a rotorcraft can calmly launch an ATGM from a range of the same 5-6 km without fear of return fire.

                        India currently has 2 potential enemies. And if there is no local conflict with the PRC, it will immediately go over to an exchange of nuclear strikes ... then they will successfully fight with Pakistan. What is the average range of striking the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria? 1,5-3 km. Isolated cases up to 5 ... It is unlikely that Pakistan can do better.
                        And so, the Indians gain access to Oerlikon, shells, Mistral and the German, very successful, chassis.
                        PS: May I have a question? Did many Tunguska, Cuba, Arrows, Shilki shoot down helicopters in Iraq? Have you intercepted many tactical missiles? In the course of the "deal of the century" so that the column on the march felt psychologically protected .. The attacker has an advantage, especially in disputed territories, it is difficult to shoot at 8-10 km. Reaction time is valued there. And the number of ammunition, it seems to me that if there are 20 missiles, then in the first minute all 20 will fly away.
                        PPS: My opinion of an amateur. hi For that matter, I would also prefer a technically more advanced complex, electronically. And in terms of technology, the UK is doing well. They have interesting own developments or upgrades, and she is a strong player in the arms market. Self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers. Good destroyers for themselves, KR, submarines (those under construction), MBT, F-15K, etc.
                      2. sivuch
                        sivuch 9 January 2019 17: 47
                        0
                        Yes, the question is always possible, anyway, no one reads us anymore.
                        The Tungusks in Iraq certainly didn’t bring anyone down. Therefore, they were not there. Shilka accurately shot down Iranian rotorcraft, but I can’t imagine the proofs right away, I have to look. However, both Shilok and Strel (especially the 10s) in Iraq were few in relation to the total number of aircraft.
                        And if you return to Biho, the fact of the matter is that besides shells, there is nothing advanced.
                      3. mvg
                        mvg 10 January 2019 22: 45
                        0
                        and Shil'ok and Strel (especially 10's) in Iraq were few

                        And I raised this question as much as I could ... And Arrow-10 and Shilka were present in quantities of several hundred. They shot down nothing or 1.5 helicopters .. And there were a CUBE. Data on downed axes, as you know, are missing or a lie .. Data for, something like this ... damaged, but pulled out. Maybe if you wait for an attack from this direction, you can bring something down, then on the march or in a sudden attack .. it is unrealistic. Helicopter operators also want to live.
                      4. sivuch
                        sivuch 13 January 2019 10: 21
                        0
                        Well, you see, you raised it, and in due time I even wrote something like a monograph on this subject.
                        So, Shilok was about 150, and Strel-10 - no more than 60. To the armada at 700-750t. hp (more than 60 divisions and 20 brigades) - a drop in the bucket.
            3. SETTGF
              SETTGF 7 January 2019 21: 37
              0
              Tarkhan (Temir)! Some childhood assumptions, as always!
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 7 January 2019 12: 20
          +3
          Quote: Tarkhan
          The challenger replied - First, plant two of your closest friends. You know what. And they know for what.

          Confused with Lee Kuan Yew, the father of Singaporean statehood.
          "Do you want to fight corruption?> Start by jailing three of your friends. You know exactly why, and they know why."
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 7 January 2019 12: 22
            +1
            Confused with Lee Kuan Yu

            I have already apologized higher for my forgetfulness, years ...
      2. Wolf
        Wolf 7 January 2019 15: 31
        +1
        A planned economy in conjunction with the market is what is needed for the comprehensive development of the state. And what is bad with Socialism? They beat the difference. :)
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    2. Shaine
      Shaine 7 January 2019 11: 25
      +2
      Quote: taiga2018
      is it really such a cool ZRPK that the Indians preferred it instead of ours, tested in military operations, or the whole point is in price ...

      Yes, the Indians are ALL buying for their "museum of weapons of world brands .."
      And South Korea fellows! Not bad of course ..
    3. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 7 January 2019 11: 29
      +5
      Quote: taiga2018
      is it really such a cool ZRPK that the Indians preferred it instead of ours, tested in military operations, or the whole point is in price ...

      No, coolness is clearly not about him. It is simply "aspen disc" - about two times cheaper than the "Shell".
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 January 2019 11: 50
        0
        Quote: Kuroneko
        No, coolness is clearly not about him. It is simply "aspen disc" - about two times cheaper than "Shell"

        Very interesting information, but do not share the source?
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    4. sivuch
      sivuch 7 January 2019 11: 33
      +2
      Steep or not, but 30mm shells, similar to 3P, have not yet been created by Rostec, only in promises.
      And in the current conditions, even this is enough to fly to the competition
    5. svp67
      svp67 7 January 2019 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: taiga2018
      is it really such a cool ZRPK that the Indians preferred it instead of ours, tested in military operations, or the whole point is in price ...

      ... or rollback. Rollback warms our hearts and pockets not only for our officials, this is generally a global bureaucratic trend
    6. venik
      venik 7 January 2019 12: 26
      +9
      Quote: taiga2018
      is it really such a cool ZRPK that the Indians preferred it instead of ours, tested in military operations, or the whole point is in price ...

      ======
      As for the "steepness", then in terms of its performance characteristics (at least tabular) - so it is no better than the "Tungiska" (which the Indians have been in service since 2006) and is well inferior to the "Shell").
      As for the cost, she about is as follows:
      - "Tunguska" - 8.3 million dollars
      - "Biho" - 12.1 million dollars
      - "Carapace" (wheeled version with guidance radar) - 13.8 - 14.7 million dollars (The tracked version is of course a little more expensive, but the version without the guidance radar is much cheaper). Somewhere like that!
      And all these Indian "dance songs" are most likely either an attempt gain access to western technology (and Biho "is a compilation of the heavily modernized German ZSU" Cheetah "with the Swiss cannons" Oerlikon ", the French MANPADS" Mistral "and the American armored personnel carrier М113), or an attempt to" bring down "the price of" Pantsyr "...
      PS The fact that the Korean "Biho" won the tender doesn’t mean that the Indian guys will buy HIS ... It often happened with them (and not only with them - just with the Indians - this is already a "tradition") !! ! At the last moment, "the seat is wagged" and "hello to the contract" ....
    7. dgonni
      dgonni 7 January 2019 14: 46
      +2
      They have a remotely detonated, programmable shell! TiV at one time 10 years ago focused attention on this problem. But our fun time profiled. Sadness!
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 7 January 2019 11: 21
    +2
    and Tunguska then participated in the competition, it turns out
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 7 January 2019 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      and Tunguska then participated in the competition, it turns out

      But they won anyway against the “Shell”. laughing
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 7 January 2019 11: 39
        -1
        Yesterday they argued with foam at the mouth about weight categories, proving that it was necessary to compete with Tunguska - and what happened?
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 7 January 2019 11: 41
          0
          Quote: Tlauicol
          and what happened?

          Mack in India came out. Some of the technology probably pushed.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 7 January 2019 11: 43
            0
            there are many options: either they didn’t arrange quality or performance characteristics, or they were afraid of sanctions and freezing dollar transactions, but our tugriks and bananas are not needed
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 7 January 2019 11: 46
              -1
              Quote: Tlauicol
              there are many options: either quality or performance characteristics were not satisfied,

              They have had "Tunguska" for a long time - they have been using them for twenty years. Even I have not heard anything bad for the quality, but according to the characteristics, the Korean loses outright.
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 7 January 2019 11: 49
                -1
                I suggested yesterday that our eyesight problems, electronics
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 7 January 2019 12: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  I suggested yesterday that our eyesight problems, electronics

                  It is impossible to judge this without knowing the exact characteristics. It is possible that the fact is that "Tunguska" in one turnip is not used, in the Soviet army, at least it was like this: platoon "Tungusok" 4 cars + platoon "Strel", and they also need a battery control center, a regiment air defense control center , TZM there are all sorts.
                  Can you imagine how many things?
                  And here - two fluffs, four rockets, decorated with flowers and that's it.
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 7 January 2019 12: 17
                    +1
                    therefore TTX and price
            2. IL-18
              IL-18 7 January 2019 12: 06
              +2
              Quote: Tlauicol
              our tugriks and bananas do not need

              In vain, our bananas are tastier.
        2. venik
          venik 7 January 2019 13: 04
          +4
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Yesterday they argued with foam at the mouth about weight categories, proving that it was necessary to compete with Tunguska - and what happened ?

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          WHAT happened ??? Nothing has happened yet !! The Koreans won the tender? We won! Indians WILL buy them ??? But this is NOT a FACT yet !!! There were few precedents ?? Let's remember the same story with the tender for a light fighter! Either they (the Rafal Indians (who won the tender) "buy", then they "do not buy", then they "buy", then they "don’t buy" ..... (already lost count and stopped following ....) By the way - this can be observed not only with India! With Turkey - too! Remember at least the "epic" with the tender for the purchase of long-range air defense systems ... The Chinese with their HQ-6 (it seems) won the tender ... . So what? That in the end the Turks are buying??? That's right - S-400 !!! With a tank tender - there was a similar "epic" .....
          As folk wisdom says - "promise" - DOES NOT MEAN: "marry"I!!!" request
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 7 January 2019 13: 56
            +1
            Quote: venik
            WHAT happened ??? Nothing has come out yet !! The Koreans won the tender? Won! Hindus WILL buy them ??? But this is NOT a FACT !!!

            And this is true! The Indians have played boogie-woogie more than once! They are still "rogues", but, really, clinical uduots ?! Even the modernized "Tunguska" is more perfect than the notorious "biho"! As for the shells with remote detonation, there were also reports of the development of such 30-mm shells in Russia! Russia needs to accelerate, and the Indians need to wait a little ... after all, weapons are not purchased for a couple of years!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 7 January 2019 11: 53
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      and Tunguska then participated in the competition, it turns out

      Participated
      In the 2013 tender, India considered three companies that will supply their missile systems to the country's arsenal - the South Korean Hanwha Defense Systems, which proposed a hybrid Biho system, as well as two Russian companies - AlmazAntei concern, which proposed its updated Tunguska system, and the Tula PBC, which is developing the Shell system.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 7 January 2019 11: 28
    +3
    The trend however. Everyone wants to defend themselves effectively against everything. Lasers are on the way.
    There will still be a fierce struggle between defenses and attacks!
    When and who will learn to defend themselves from shells? This seems like the next step.
    In short, early to write off the receiver!
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 January 2019 11: 29
    +2
    Armament - two 30 or 40 mm guns with shells with air blasting
    Here! What our shell needs. I don’t know if there is such an opportunity in its new design. But if it does! Plus missiles up to 40 km range. It will be something.
    1. venik
      venik 7 January 2019 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Armament - two 30 or 40 mm guns with shells with air blasting
      Here! What our shell needs. I don’t know if there is such an opportunity in its new design. But if it does!
      .
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      Yes, it is not so difficult to "entrain" such a system! Moreover, the BTR-82 already has such a system !! It just seems to me that such an option for the "Armor" is not so relevant: after all, 4 trunks "spit out" 83 (!!!) shell per second and create a very dense "cloud" of shells with a very high probability of hitting even a small target with the first salvo !!! But for "Biho" where 2 Korean "Oerlikons" fire only 20 shells per second (and in the 40-mm version - even less!) - this is much more relevant!!! In addition, shells with remote detonation are much (several times!) More expensive than conventional OFS. So, what if such a system is on the "Shell" Yes - great if no - also not scary!
      But missiles with a range of 40 km - this is already much more interesting!!!
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 7 January 2019 13: 04
        0
        venik (Vladimir)
        Yes, it is not so difficult to "entrain" such a system! Moreover, the BTR-82 already has such a system !! It just seems to me that such an option for the "Armor" is not so relevant: after all, 4 barrels "spit out" 83 (!!!) shells per second
        You are a wasteful person. Here is the length of your study. Study this video. Then "call" hi We discuss.
  6. Gray brother
    Gray brother 7 January 2019 11: 30
    +2
    Missiles hit targets at a range of 5000 meters

    There is no missile defense system there, there are missiles with a thermal head, from MANPADS "KP-SAM Shin-Gung".
  7. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 7 January 2019 11: 54
    +2
    Most likely, the banal unwillingness, or rather, the odd competition and the powerful lobby, were the result of our losing the tender for the delivery of short-range air defense systems.
  8. K-50
    K-50 7 January 2019 12: 23
    +3
    SAM Biho is equipped with two 30 mm anti-aircraft guns and four anti-aircraft guided missiles. The effective range of guns is 3000 m, the rate of fire is 1200 rounds / min. Missiles hit targets at a range of 5000 meters.
    Compare with "Tunguska" and "Pantsir".
    "Tuguska": Art. The assault rifles provide a total rate of fire of 4060-4810 rds / min.
    Rockets:
    in height to 3,5 km;
    in range up to 8 km to 10 km ("Tunguska-M1").
    Ammunition 8 missiles.
    "Pantsir-C1": Art. Automata: Total rate of fire: 5000 rds / min
    Effective maximum firing range: 4 km.
    Rockets:
    Maximum target speed: 1000 m / s;
    Range to the target: 1,2 km - 20 km;
    Target altitude: 15 m - 15 km;
    Ammunition: 12 missiles.
    Even a goat understands the complexes are not comparable by any military criteria. How did the Koreans win? request
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 7 January 2019 13: 51
      -2
      Quote: K-50
      Even a goat understands the complexes are not comparable by any military criteria. How did the Koreans win?

      The French seem to have won the tender for the supply too, having destroyed their own - only India can’t buy rafals from anything ...
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 7 January 2019 14: 01
      0
      Quote: K-50
      "Tuguska": Art. The assault rifles provide a total rate of fire of 4060-4810 rds / min.
      Rockets:
      in height to 3,5 km;
      in range up to 8 km to 10 km ("Tunguska-M1").

      Actually, there are anti-aircraft missiles for Tunguska with a range of up to 10 km and a height reach to 6 km ...
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 7 January 2019 19: 05
        0
        The ceiling restriction ZURok - solely because of SOTSKI. Until the second mode has been screwed to it (which is possible), it sees targets only up to an altitude of 3.5 km. Because everywhere and in the performance characteristics of the rocket the same 3.5
  9. Maz
    Maz 7 January 2019 14: 37
    0
    Quote: IvanIvanov
    Quote: Tarkhan
    The United States occupied the South and introduced a market economy.


    The chaebols from which Samsung and the like grew up are not a market economy, but the result of a business-state agreement, technological assistance and open markets by states, this is a showcase. Most cap systems are similar to central and South America. Let's compare the DPRK for example with Haiti.

    Chaebols! What a wonderful idea it was!
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 January 2019 08: 54
    0
    Merikos don't need a South Korean device! It's like "trading" in Russia! Everyone knows who will be the "winner", but for "decency" you need to invite a couple of "firms" ....
  11. maks007
    maks007 10 January 2019 15: 41
    0
    Quote: venik
    As for the cost, it is approximately as follows:
    - "Tunguska" - $ 8.3 million
    - "Biho" - $ 12.1 million
    - "Carapace" (wheeled version with guidance radar) - 13.8 - 14.7 million dollars. (The tracked version is of course a little more expensive, but the version without guidance radar is much cheaper). Somewhere like that!

    For comparison, https://slovodel.com/492249-koreiskaya-zsu-k30-biho-brosaet-vyzov-rossiiskomu-panciryu
    excerpts from her

    from 19.11.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX
    The South Korean armed forces are conducting military tests of the upgraded K30 Biho ZSU, which, in addition to its two native 30 mm anti-aircraft guns, received KP-SAM Shin-Gung portable anti-aircraft missile units. Thus, the advanced installation becomes already rocket-cannon, which should significantly increase the capabilities of the machine.
    ...
    At the same time, it is possible to compare the Korean air defense system with the Russian complex of the same class .... with the complex "Shell-C1".
    1. guns
    Both cars have 30 mm automatic guns, however, the Russian "Shell" they are paired, which significantly increases the rate of fire. For a Korean car, this figure is 600 rounds per minute, and for a Russian one - 2 rounds / min. for every couple. True, such a high rate of fire cannot be achieved solely by increasing the number of barrels; the whole thing is in the design of the Russian gun.
    Ammunition also varies. The domestic vehicle carries 1400 shots, while the Korean has only 600. Well, to finally deal with cannon weapons, it’s worth saying that the “Shell” is also ahead in effective firing range: 4 km versus 3 km from the K30 “Biho”
    2.Rocket
    The missile weapons of the Korean installation are represented by two KP-SAM Shin-Gung anti-aircraft missile units - two in each unit. These missiles were created at the turn of the 2000s as MANPADS, but they were also suitable for armament of an anti-aircraft missile system. The maximum range of destruction of Korean missiles reaches 7 kilometers, but the effective range is only 5. The solid-fuel rocket is equipped with an infrared homing head and carries a warhead weighing 2,5 kg.
    Missile armament of the Russian machine was developed specifically for use on the "Shell". The 57E6E two-stage missile carries a homing radio command head and warhead with rod striking elements. Mass warhead - 20 kilograms. The confident defeat of targets at ranges up to 18 kilometers and at an altitude of up to 15 kilometers leaves the Korean models far behind. It remains only to add that there are 12 such missiles on the Russian machine.
    3.Electronics
    The Korean ZRPU is equipped with a TPS-830K radar that detects targets at ranges of up to 17 kilometers, an optoelectronic system, a panoramic periscope, a laser range finder, a thermal imaging sight and a digital fire control system. All this should give the Korean installation the ability to quickly respond to threats in the range of weapons.
    "Shell-C1" is armed much richer, and most importantly, the electronic filling of the Russian complex can be changed, adapting to the needs of the customer. With one optoelectronic fire control system, the complex comes out noticeably cheaper. Adding radar increases the capabilities of the "Shell", but increases the cost. At the same time, Russian cars can, if necessary, form a joint digital network, thanks to which cars equipped with various types of radars can exchange data with each other.
    ...
    ...
    The only thing the K30 "Biho" wins in is the price.
    ...