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One we write, two in mind ...It seems that the hasty adoption by both chambers of the Federal Assembly of amendments to the law on rallies will lead to a great political scandal. And this is not an exaggeration. It always happens when people who are accustomed not to think about the consequences of their activities are taken for a very important and necessary job, and they instantly take it "under the hood" in their desire to please the authorities.

There is no doubt that the legislation in this area should change. But how - that is the main question. No one, not even the most inveterate oppositionist, likes it when crowds of incomprehensible people roam around his house day and night, crap around everyone and everything, when his children are afraid to go outside when traffic is blocked. And even more so no one wants to get under the "hot hand" of a policeman who has become brutal from the need to monitor compliance with the rule of law. But those amendments to the legislation, which were adopted by deputies of the State Duma and members of the Federation Council, I can not be classified as adequate. The presidential Council on the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights gave them a true expert assessment. I will not quote the document made public the other day. Its text with all the noted violations of Russian and international legislation is in the open press and on the Internet on the Council’s website. As a political scientist and psychologist, I want to add on my own: the legislative result obtained is absolutely disproportionate to the realities of Russian life.

And the point here is not even that the proposed amount of fines is clearly disproportionate to the property status of the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens and the minimum wage established by the state. The point, in my opinion, is that someone was very frightened by the protest wave that had recently swept across Russia. And, in turn, decided to scare the Russians with harsh police punishments for participating in such actions. This was done completely without taking into account the mentality of our citizens. Somewhere in Germany, the law is a guide to action. In Russia, where the authorities and society so far live completely separately from each other, the law is not. Moreover, I see a certain tendency here: the tougher the sanctions, the more citizens will oppose them.

I emphasize once again: I am a supporter of changes in legislation in the sphere of regulating the conduct of public political events. These changes are ripe. However, it is simply dangerous to accept them without a comprehensive discussion, without at least the relative consensus of most political forces, but only with the votes of one party and with frightening haste. Haste is good, as you know, when catching fleas. But not in the formation of a legislative field in the sphere of relations between the state and its citizens.

I think, moreover, I am sure that the changes in the law on meetings were such precisely because they were developed and adopted by the efforts of one party - United Russia. Exactly the same story occurred a few years ago, when a no less resonant law was adopted on the monetization of benefits. He, too, in the literal sense of the word, was pushed through by United Russia, without even thinking of adapting it to Russian conditions, without any explanatory work in society. What consequences this has caused is well known to all.

I am convinced that both then and now the inability of United Russia to negotiate with its opponents, to make compromises, if necessary, played its negative role. Its representatives are dominated by the phrase “party of power”, which has a corrupting effect on unprepared for work in power structures of minds. Hence the arrogance and arrogance present in the communication of United Russia with opponents.

More recently, when Dmitry Medvedev was president, he invited the opposition to take part in the work of state institutions, including lawmaking. But as far as I know, its representatives leave all these “round tables” precisely because “United Russia” is not inclined to resolve issues in the format of a dialogue. She, as the head of this faction in the State Duma, Andrei Vorobev, likes to repeat, “struggles” for one thing or another. And who is the party fighting against, which appropriated the epithet “folk”, if you take, for example, the law on rallies? With your own people? And who can defeat the party, whose real, and not inflated 30-32 percent rating?

I believe that Dmitry Medvedev, who recently headed United Russia, did not accidentally speak about the upcoming major staff changes. And this is absolutely correct: any party is made by people and the people are updated. This is an immutable law of party building. But where are the announced changes? I thoroughly know that so far the matter is not even limited to personnel rotation, but to the horizontal movement of the same personnel. And it is these people who are sitting in the party at key posts almost from the moment of its foundation, accustomed to the abundant party "trough", oppose the emergence in the ranks of the "United Russia" new people, with fresh ideas and attitudes consistent with the spirit and needs of the time. It is impossible for such people to make their way through the rows of mossy party bureaucrats welded together by mutual responsibility. I know this firsthand. Tested on myself.

So there are resonant laws that cause confusion and excitement in society. They are easy to "push through" through the parliament, having a majority in it and relying solely on the expert assessment of the "court" political scientists, like a certain Dmitry Orlov, who has long been saying just what his employers want to hear. But the problem is that Russian society wants decisions to be made taking into account bipolar opinions, taking into account dialogue. And now his absence becomes a problem for the country.

So far this problem is not so acute solely because the opposition today does not have strong leaders that people would follow. Those who sit in the Duma, have long been conformists. They just have this role: to criticize any proposals of the ruling party. Citizens are so accustomed to their constant outrage that very few people pay attention to them. Supporting non-systemists is like trying to breed chickens from boiled eggs. This “opposition” has nothing: no constructive ideas, no team, no coalition, no coherent program or concept. She even has no worthy leaders, fortunately for United Russia, but unfortunately for citizens.

But the main problem is not even in the absence of opposition, but in the absence of a real political force that would work in the interests of citizens. And if the "United Russia" does not want to become such a force, then according to all political laws a new one should appear. By the way, not necessarily oppositional. Not necessarily yet. But the more unpopular and ill-considered bills parliament passes, the less chance it leaves the authorities to maintain credibility.
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  1. +23
    9 June 2012 08: 44
    the proposed size of fines is commensurate with the property status of the marsh gorlopans.
    1. Trudy
      +14
      9 June 2012 09: 31
      They are absolutely right. But I would even increase the fine for the swamps - let the State Department blow off, and here, you see, the budget will be replenished. You can even put this money into orphanages - a good deed.
      1. +16
        9 June 2012 11: 05
        It is necessary to prohibit foreign financing of public parties and movements! otherwise you can end badly ...
        1. +8
          9 June 2012 11: 25
          Quote: baron.nn
          It is necessary to prohibit foreign financing of public parties and movements! otherwise you can end badly ...

          But in this I fully support you!
        2. Denzel13
          +6
          9 June 2012 11: 30
          Exactly, exactly baron.nn! Before the October Revolution, something similar had already happened.
        3. itr
          +6
          9 June 2012 12: 14
          but why do these fines translate everything again for money? If there is a loot, then everything can be on strike to destroy to steal. There are so many places in Russia where workers are needed. It's time to help the Koryak Autonomous Okrug. Link I think this is also a solution. Is there a loot or not In Russia in the north is clearly not the Maldives
          1. 755962
            +7
            9 June 2012 16: 45
            Quote: itr
            It is necessary to prohibit foreign financing of public parties and movements!

            There can be no illusions - high-class professionals work against Russia.
            Boards of trustees of various Russian organizations and foundations abound with suspicious individuals
            Sir Rodrick Braithwaite presides over the board of the Moscow School of Political Studies - although he is more accustomed to chair the United Intelligence Committee. Moreover, this fact is absent in the official biography of the venerable sir in the Russian version of the site of this "school" (compare with his biography in the English Wikipedia). Among the members of the Board of Trustees of the Eurasia Foundation - Fiona Hill - a solid instructor in driving towards "democracy", from 2006 to 2009 she was responsible for Russia and Eurasia in the National Council for Intelligence, which coordinates all US intelligence services. And of course, there is no way to do without oil interests in American "non-governmental organizations": the main place of work of the Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Eurasia Foundation Jan Kalitsky is Chevron Corporation, where he is engaged in the "development of international business, as an executive adviser on international strategy, negotiations and interaction with authorities. ”
            Back in 1983, a mechanism was created to finance subversion - the National Endowment for Democracy. Despite its status as a non-governmental organization, the fund’s budget is 95% filled from the US treasury
            One of the fund's concept developers was Walter Raymond, a CIA communications and propaganda specialist. One of the largest recipients of the fund in the 80s was the Polish Solidarity movement. It is known that since 1988, fund money began to flow into the USSR; in 1990, the Interregional Deputy Group conducted regular political trainings with funds from the National Democratic Institute, one of the four fund structures. In 1991, the first president of the foundation, Allen Weinstein, told the Washington Post: “The CIA did a lot of what we do today 25 years ago.”
        4. +1
          9 June 2012 17: 44
          Quote: baron.nn
          It is necessary to prohibit foreign financing of public parties and movements

          Or maybe for public parties and movements fines do even more!
          So that all this funding goes to pay fines!
          laughing
          1. Neighbor
            -2
            10 June 2012 11: 24
            Oranzheviznaya MANDATORY !!!! am am am
            Glory to Russia!!! drinks
            Shame and disgrace to the Judicious Orangeworthy rotten Traitors !!! am am am
            1. -1
              10 June 2012 23: 34
              Neighbor: I could have photographed Putin’s profile on the image of the captain. And then some kind of deflection turned out to be not of high quality.
  2. +18
    9 June 2012 08: 50
    Dear author, you want the impossible.
    And the legislation will not be changed so harshly.
    SO DO NOT HAPPEN.
    Let it be tough. We must work, not rally.
    And then the orange will soon demand a salary for their "work".
    In Europe, this is very tough and can afford it.
    By the way, at our meetings, not tractor drivers go so that they can find money (they are, in their own words, quite successful people)
    1. +10
      9 June 2012 09: 38
      Quote: volkan
      By the way, at our meetings, not tractor drivers go,

      Andrey, welcome! Well said! All this husk, which has become insolent and already (!) Sets the conditions for power - where they can spend their grooms, let them either roll the bobos for srach in the streets, or let them work for the good of the Motherland, sweeping the streets or doing felling. And then throwing a knife at the riot policemen, poking around from the crowd - this is the norm for them, and to bear at least material responsibility for their pogroms is already oppression. If you wanted to bring your life closer to European standards - please! We start with the law ...
      1. +1
        9 June 2012 11: 54
        Quote: esaul
        All this husk, which is insolent and already (!) Sets the conditions for power

        Excuse me, you called dozens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who came out to the rallies, as huskies? Interesting ... And further: what does it mean "already sets conditions"? Do you think that only the government should set conditions for the people? The more I read your comments, the more the impression arises that you have little relation to the people (meaning the broad strata of society), rather to the very government. "Elite", damn it ...
        1. +3
          9 June 2012 17: 51
          Quote: Ribwort
          Excuse me, did you name dozens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who attended rallies?

          And the necessary clarification: metropolitan residents.
          You will take an interest in the opinion of the people from the hinterland about all these activities, the so-called unsystematic opposition.
          And indeed about the capital's inhabitants.
          Will nicely are surprised.
          Defender of the people you are ours.
          1. +2
            9 June 2012 23: 39
            Quote: Cynic
            You will take an interest in the opinion of the people from the hinterland about all these activities, the so-called unsystematic opposition.

            I know the opinion of the people from the hinterland regarding power. I assure you, many in this matter adhere to more radical measures.
            1. +2
              11 June 2012 16: 36
              Quote: Ribwort
              I know the opinion of the people from the hinterland regarding power

              Dear you do not slip off the topic.
              Substitution of the subject of discussion, a crown feint, of such cunning as you.

              Here I myself am of the opinion:
              And Mars will bloom apple trees

              bully
              1. -2
                12 June 2012 10: 04
                Quote: Cynic
                Dear you do not slip off the topic.

                I don’t know if you will read this comment, usually the topic on the forum is relevant for 2-3 days ... I will explain: The bulk of the people in our country are deeply political for the most part, it seems to me. Many simply do not care - there are more important problems: work, family. Those with whom I spoke express themselves in the vein that it is necessary to drive both of them ... At the same time, when some difficulties or problems arise related to corruption, the administrative barrier, etc., they only criticize the authorities that naturally. And there are plenty of reasons for this. As for Muscovites, I’ll say: they are not painfully favored in the provinces. Neither before nor now. Moreover, not only in the outback, but even just beyond the Moscow Ring Road, in the same Moscow region. But this has nothing to do with their political preferences. There are other reasons. However, as I said, it's my opinionbased on communication with people. I shared it. Naturally, I can’t say that the WHOLE people living in the province think so. This is obvious - I do not engage in opinion polls throughout Russia. If this were so, there would be no subject of discussion.
                1. +1
                  12 June 2012 17: 10
                  Quote: Ribwort
                  The bulk of the people in our country for the most part are deeply upПpolitical, it seems to me

                  You do not even suspect to what extent it is apolitical, inert!
                  Even directly in the "selfish" questions!
                  Therefore, I am very sarcastic about all kinds of spokesmen for the voice of the people!
                  Quote: Ribwort
                  will you read this comment

                  Actually, there is such a thing, forgotten now, as a culture of discussion.
                  bully
        2. +6
          9 June 2012 22: 52
          I agree ! As if they broke off the chain. If you use your methods to shut our mouths, let's immediately return the article to the constitution. "United Russia" is the ruling party, the mind, honor and conscience of our era ... All those who disagree in Solovki or Magadan. How short the memory is, tomorrow a neighbor will report any of you, and 10 years of camps or to the wall. Think about it in years 50-70 you will be acquitted and called illegally repressed. Each person has the right to his understanding of any issue, freedom to express his point of view. But when someone shit, broke, or worse, please answer according to the law. And the riot police need to take off the masks- You are boundless, also to be held accountable according to the law. So far, they are beating, whom they said face. It does not matter, the guilty person is not guilty. And everything goes off with impunity (the authorities).
          1. +2
            9 June 2012 23: 26
            Quote: Nicola
            As if they broke off the chain. If you stop our mouths with your methods, let's immediately return the article to the constitution. "United Russia" is the ruling party, the mind, honor and conscience of our era ... All those who disagree in Solovki or Magadan. How short the memory is, tomorrow a neighbor will report any of you, and 10 years of camps or to the wall

            No need to exaggerate. This law is about increasing the punishment for unrest, and not for holding rallies. They are not going to punish anyone for holding rallies! Only for violations of public order.
            You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma.
          2. CC-18a
            +2
            10 June 2012 01: 29
            Quote: Nicola
            If you shut up your mouth with your methods

            Show the article where it is indicated that it is forbidden to say anything?
            If you don’t indicate that you are a LIAR!

            And I repeat the words Nickа
            Quote: Nick
            No need to exaggerate. The law is about increasing the punishment for riots, not rallies. They are not going to punish anyone for holding rallies! Only for violations of public order. You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma.


            You are swampy, and so there you gulp everywhere and everywhere and insult the President of the Russian Federation often, and the state itself does not bother Russia for this, in my opinion, in vain. But then the state, but the people may no longer tolerate such your disrespect.
            We can remind you that the Navadvorskaya was funded from the same place as the marshes ... in the South Ossetia conflict, she declared and wished that our soldiers would die more. Here is the true face of the bogs and their owners.
        3. CC-18a
          +4
          10 June 2012 01: 25
          Quote: Ribwort
          Excuse me, did you name dozens, if not hundreds of thousands of people who attended rallies?

          I now call, and not only that. I call them all swear words, and I do not have respect for them. Are you against go 3 letters with your against.
          I am extremely enraged by the position of the marshes that they say they do not give them a word, yeah, well, the logical question is where do we get the noise from them where we don’t get caught if they don’t give them a word to say? Well, it’s okay that the bogs lied on their conscience.
          BUT what is most enraging is that these swamp animals claim that they are fighting for freedom of speech supposedly ... and they themselves vehemently attack everyone who expresses their opinion FREE against them about who hamsters and swamps are.
          It turns out in fact swamp hamsters require no freedom! and permissiveness and only for the swamp husks and to all the rest they do not want to give freedom of speech..

          Quote: Ribwort
          Do you think that only power should set conditions for the people?

          I personally think so. Grow up and you will understand that it is NECESSARY! So POSITION!
          It’s like respect for elders, it’s like giving way to people with disabilities, it’s like treating women like a weaker sex.
          And at the end, the state sets conditions for its people on exactly the same grounds on which the world works, when you work for someone, the boss sets the conditions for you and not you for your director. So it is accepted, this is the way society is built, all attempts to turn upside down end in tears! even in the USSR, the state set the condition for the people and the bosses set the conditions for subordinates.

          Quote: Ribwort
          You have little relationship

          You are even smaller. People feel sick from swamps from bulk and dog dogs. They do not care about you 70% stupidly goes to work and when they hear about the marsh they spit on the asphalt and go on. You (incorrectly, didn’t enumerate you to them, although if you were wrong, excuse me), the marshes are 0,0001% of the whole people, and shout for everyone ... it causes a current of disrespect and hostility ... and the louder you grow stronger and make provocations the more so you hates people.
          1. -1
            10 June 2012 22: 37
            Quote: CC-18a
            I personally think so. Grow up and you will understand that it is NECESSARY! So POSITION!
            It’s like respect for elders, it’s like giving way to people with disabilities, it’s like treating women like a weaker sex.

            The state is gradually leaving the economy, education, medicine and so on, leaving itself only fiscal, police and foreign policy functions. Members of the government annually in tax returns report on multimillion-dollar earnings, while in many regions the salary barely reaches 10 thousand. They do not care! So on what basis should this power set conditions for me? I owe everything that I have to the USSR!
            Quote: CC-18a
            I call them all swear words, and I do not have respect for them. Are you against go 3 letters with your against.

            I don't care how you feel about them. I do not belong and do not participate in rallies (it’s stupid to do this in the village, and you need to feed your family). Simply, my sympathies are not on the side of the current government (not to be confused with the state), and the more they press me, the faster you look at the people will turn.
            Quote: CC-18a
            People feel sick from swamps from bulk and dog dogs.

            Yes, I myself feel sick of them, but, damn you, why out of 100 thousand. man did you only see them? They pursue their goals and only use a wave of protest moods. Okay ... Time will put everything in its place. If it still remains ...
            1. CC-18a
              +2
              10 June 2012 23: 39
              Quote: Ribwort
              The state is gradually leaving the economy, education, medicine and so on, leaving itself only fiscal, police and foreign policy functions.

              This is the principle of capitalism and the free market. That is why you destroyed the USSR in 91, or what you did not want to stop in 91. That is, in fact, you yourself are to blame, it's time to admit it. Until you acknowledge nifig nothing good will be.

              Quote: Ribwort
              Members of the government annually in tax returns report on multimillion-dollar earnings, while in many regions the salary barely reaches 10 thousand.

              1) Frederick 2 also wrote a smart thing ... an official should receive a salary more than others and as much as is enough for an official to refuse a bribe. Not a quote but the essence is clear I hope. Al, do you propose that officials who decide the fate of the country's billion state bills receive a salary of 10 thousand and cannot provide themselves with food? so that they are 100% corrupt !? So you want corruption to be 100%? you can not answer, I personally do not care about my stupidity, write or specifically push speeches anti-government and anti-Russian.
              2) z / p 10000 in Moscow you will not find, and officials in Moscow. That is, out of ignorance or knowledge, but with bad intent, you do not take into account such an important aspect. The average for the country s / n 24tych. I personally with my head and straight hands can earn more than 12-15 thousand a year, which is enough in my region and this is not working officially, but officially I will get a job if I don’t work then the current is not lower than 20 thousand, that is, from 20 thousand to 40 thousand s / n. The fact that I personally live in such criteria means that your 10tych from some other reality. Well, maybe talk about the s / n in the village of Zahulastnaya for 5000 km from Moscow, but there these 10 thousand are the equivalent of 100 thousand in Moscow. I will not explain why so.
              3) On the other hand, the big earnings of officials are also not good. BUT! Who are you to rate for 3 **** they honestly earned or not? Unfortunately, many officials are legally entitled to have a share of shares or to be members of the board of directors of many companies that can easily provide profits with shares or dividends. The bureaucrat’s profits are profitable even though he can be crystal honest and clean, he just stupidly ends up where money pours in, I have such places. Money is generally like water in the cycle of nature ... somewhere waterfalls somewhere funnels somewhere oceans somewhere desert. True, there is a recent amendment which says that an official / deputy should not have the right to have shares and positions in 2 different areas of the economy, even fired some who did not manage to resign from different sectors of the economy themselves. But you didn’t know anything about it. That is, you know so little, but with an indescribable impudence, you simply categorically declare such high-profile things, but ignorance does not justify you, but rather.
              So you are nobody to say that everything is not fair. Hence the logical conclusion
              3.1 The official has the right to make a profit
              3.2 An official is not entitled to make illegal profits. And here is the question of control ... and due to the fact that I may not be so dumb, I understand that such control is very difficult and you can always get away from any control

              Quote: Ribwort
              I don't care how you feel about them. I do not belong and do not participate in rallies (it’s stupid to do this in the village, and you need to feed your family). Simply, my sympathies are not on the side of the current government (not to be confused with the state), and the more they press me, the faster you look at the people will turn.

              Why should I squeeze the eggs for those who arranged life in my state and in my homeland from unacceptable 90s to acceptable 2000s, while the trends are everywhere positive and life will become even better by 2010.
              If you have a wife, do you often beat her for her good behavior? I did a fight, at night I showed myself for 5 s + ... and you just like that in the morning in the face with the words "
              the harder I press them, the faster you look
              "

              Quote: Ribwort
              Yes, I myself feel sick of them, but, damn you, why out of 100 thousand. man did you only see them? They pursue their goals and only use a wave of protest moods. Okay ... Time will put everything in its place. If it still remains ..

              What wave? yes ypt ... give me the same grandmas that you pay for rallies, I’ll not dial you 100 thousand but 1 million, and this is not a joke, though I’ve been brought up with honor and wouldn’t have done so, but even I understand how and what to do so to get more than 100 thousand people for such huge amounts that they pay. Yes, in general, people who criticize the government after 10-15% will always be as if they didn’t live satisfyingly, not because there will be problems, but because there is always some kind of% among the population and always will be. I even guarantee you that the% of people dissatisfied in paradise will be more than the% of marsh and hamsters released in Moscow.
              1. -1
                10 June 2012 23: 55
                Quote: CC-18a
                This is the principle of capitalism and the free market.

                That's exactly what I do not accept. Basically.
                Quote: CC-18a
                That is why you destroyed the USSR in 91, or what you did not want to stop in 91.

                I was 15 years old then, wise guy.
                Quote: CC-18a
                an official should receive a salary more than others and as much as is sufficient for an official to refuse a bribe.

                The official is the servant of the people. Sounds mocking, doesn't it? And their number in comparison with the USSR has grown significantly.
                I feel that we are unlikely to find a common language, and therefore close the topic.
                1. CC-18a
                  +2
                  11 June 2012 04: 34
                  Quote: Ribwort
                  I feel that we are unlikely to find a common language, and therefore close the topic.

                  Can you not find you a liar! They are not at the age of 35-36 years so stupid. Definitely you and 18 then no.

                  Quote: Ribwort
                  And their number in comparison with the USSR has grown significantly.

                  The number of officials in the USSR was from 2 to 2,5 million people.
                  Now in the Russian Federation about 1,7 million.
                  That is, de facto you are a LIAR!.
                  1. +2
                    11 June 2012 06: 00
                    CC-18a - of course, Ribwort certainly bent about the growth of bureaucrats at times, but given that the population of the USSR was approaching 300 lamas and based on what we have now (they have definitely dried out 2 times), the number of bureaucratic husks has increased no less than 35% ... well, and their current efficiency is a secret drinks
                    Well, Ribwort can be understood ... he has nostalgia for the USSR - he himself is.
                    1. CC-18a
                      0
                      22 June 2012 15: 53
                      Nostalgia without common sense is like downism drinks . Most like the USSR rather than the Russian Federation, but this does not give anyone the right to lie and distort and even more so give out complete nonsense at face value for their own selfish purposes.

                      In general, however, the number of officials in the USSR was less, de facto. Regarding the population of the country, it was less. That's why we have a language and a head to write correctly and give the right meaning.
                      By the way, in the USSR the growth in the number of officials is also about the same graph as the Russian Federation ... We now have a young state, after the collapse and literally collapsed to pieces, so there is nothing surprising that the number of officials is growing ... it is much more surprising that from 91 to 99 there was an increase in the number of officials, while the management was worse and worse ... and then for some reason no one blundered about the growth of officials. Since 2000, along with an increase in the number of officials, GDP has also grown, and adequate governance of the country has grown, if this price is not against the country's prosperity.
                      And I think there will be optimization of the officers later, when there will not be any bulk and enemies of the country within the country itself (I’m talking about traitors, again, such as a new movement - Chirikova - Sobchak - ugh, all such ummy ugly fuckers)
                      1. CC-18a
                        0
                        22 June 2012 16: 17
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        In general, however, the number of officials in the USSR was less (more) de facto
                  2. -2
                    11 June 2012 07: 29
                    According to the 1989 census. the population of the USSR amounted to 286,7 million people.
                    The population of the Russian Federation is about 140 million for 2011.
                    In fact, Ribwort is not far from the truth, unlike you SS-18a.
                    Because, judging by the figures you cited, the number of officials per capita increased by 1,5-1,7 times.
                    Judge for yourself who is a liar ...
                    1. CC-18a
                      0
                      22 June 2012 15: 55
                      You're a liar! I noticed this a long time ago.
                      There are specific concepts, count, and relative count. You don’t know how to write, don’t write, don’t know how to juggle and do not get caught in a FALSE that’s not n ** those here. It concerns you too because you are the same as Ribwort
                      1. -2
                        23 June 2012 15: 26
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        ... do not know how to juggle and not get caught in a lie that is not n ** those here.

                        But you, I take a look, mastered this art to perfection. lol Therefore, n ** those here and call all liars. Oh well...
                      2. CC-18a
                        -1
                        24 June 2012 05: 49
                        As is typical of young dicks. Arrows to translate ... like "the fool himself" .... listen, youngster, have you finished kindergarten for a long time? You don't know how to find an average, you are stupid forever, your knowledge in life is zero ... why are you just a disgrace? You can show your opuses to your parents so that they put you in a corner.
                  3. -1
                    11 June 2012 13: 00
                    In the mid-80s in the USSR, the number of officials reached 2.4 million. Now - 1.67 million. So in quantitative terms, yes less. But you did not take into account one subtlety: 2.4 million people - these are 15 now independent states! That is 160 thousand for each of the countries! Well, the central apparatus was in the RSFSR and therefore I admit that there were more officials in Russia. But not 10 times! And further:
                    http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/515159/
                    Not taking into account the comments, CAM, once President Medvedev, says that the number of officials in comparison with the USSR has grown 2.5 times! So what the hell are you messing with and calling me a liar, a provocateur? Or senility sneak up unnoticed?
                    1. CC-18a
                      0
                      22 June 2012 15: 58
                      Quote: Ribwort
                      Or senility sneak up unnoticed?

                      Do not be so critical of yourself. I don’t know the reasons why you write a lie, you insanity or what, these are your problems.
                      De facto. The number of officials in the USSR was more than in the Russian Federation, that's all. And trying to tear from one to another is completely stupid, either by malice or by stupidity. Which of the 2 options you have I can not judge, but 3 is not given.
                      1. -2
                        23 June 2012 15: 35
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        The number of officials in the USSR was more than in the Russian Federation, that's all
                        I explained that there was LESS THAN THE POPULATION OF THE POPULATION. You are not familiar with such concepts?
                        Quote: Ribwort
                        CAM, once President Medvedev, says that the number of officials in comparison with the USSR has grown 2.5 times!

                        If I'm stupid, well, then a couple with Medvedev lol
                        You, sir, are an inadequate person, completely deprived of the ability to perceive facts and arguments, if they diverge from your ideas. Hear only your own nonsense. I brought you a murderous argument voiced by the former president, so what are you missing? And by the way, the liar is you. None of their statements were supported by links or something else ...
                      2. CC-18a
                        -1
                        24 June 2012 05: 47
                        Quote: Ribwort
                        I explained that there was LESS THAN THE POPULATION OF THE POPULATION. You are not familiar with such concepts?

                        I am familiar with the facts, one of the facts says that you are a liar and a hypocrite. You lied and distorted de facto. The fact that you are not a man but a child forgives you that you are not responsible for your often stupid words.

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        If I'm stupid, well, then a couple with Medvedev

                        Yes, you are both stupid;)

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        And by the way, the liar is you

                        No probative charge.
                        So from this it also follows that you are insolent and verbiage.

                        "It's a pity that I spent so many letters on such a worthless creature."
        4. +4
          10 June 2012 13: 06
          Most likely, you, dear Ribwort, have nothing to do with the people.
          Shouting at all corners about st. 31 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, while you forget about paragraph 3 of Art. 17 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation "The exercise of human and civil rights and freedoms should not violate the rights and freedoms of others."
          And the law on rallies balances the scales with the recklessness (all permissiveness) of the opposition and the common sense of other citizens of the country.
          This is told to you by a person from the outback, and there is no need to sing military songs about knowing the opinions of the people from the outback.
          People from the hinterland treat all these rallies, processions and festivities as verbiage and useless pastime. It is necessary to work, and not to sharpen the hairs.
          Quote: Ribwort
          I assure you, many in this matter adhere to more radical measures.

          More radical measures are taken in relation to the so-called unsystematic opposition. And the farther east, the stronger this desire.
      2. Cadet787
        +9
        9 June 2012 12: 35
        What the opposition is outraged at, the fact that the country's legislation is brought into line with international standards, in the West, for free, during rallies they do not row, here we are now. Want to hooligan at the rally - pay.
        1. +3
          9 June 2012 12: 49
          Quote: Cadet787
          Why is the opposition outraged that the country's legislation has been brought into line with international standards in the West?

          First, let the salaries in the country be brought in line with Western countries, and then they talk about fines. This is what we resent.
          1. +2
            9 June 2012 20: 50
            So the creative class knows how to make money.
            1. +3
              9 June 2012 23: 46
              Quote: carver
              So the creative class knows how to make money.

              Excellent! Teachers, doctors, agricultural workers - to the landfill. We leave only "effective managers" and the creative class! You look, and we will end poverty. lol By the way, did you know that after the reform in medicine and the new rules for calculating wages, salaries increased only for a few (for example, general practitioners), and for many, especially for narrow specialists, they even became smaller! Why are they keeping silent about this?
              1. CC-18a
                0
                10 June 2012 01: 32
                Quote: Ribwort
                and many, especially for narrow specialists, even got smaller! Why are they keeping silent about this?

                Because it's a lie!
                1. 0
                  10 June 2012 22: 41
                  Quote: CC-18a
                  Because it's a lie!

                  I have a spouse and mother are medical workers. It turns out that no one can be trusted, not even oneself. SS-18a - it is possible. lol
                  1. CC-18a
                    +1
                    10 June 2012 23: 44
                    oh ... well then I'm waiting for you to post a scan of bills. 2011 and 2012 for 2 consecutive months in 2011 and 2012.
                    Otherwise, you have no faith!
                    For I myself am not familiar with one medical worker and despite constant complaints about the salary (complaining that it is not common with us all) I know their salaries and I will say that a specialist specialized far from Moscow receives from 60 thousand without premiums but with bonuses from 80 to 160tych depending on the season and number of work (patient patients).
                    At the same time, state clinics quietly quietly catch up with private salaries, these dentists are inaccessible to the campaign in the exclusion of current.
                    But these are the facts of my life, but I don’t believe yours because in my life the s / n cut the current in 2009 somewhere and now they raise the current quietly quietly.
                    1. -2
                      11 June 2012 00: 01
                      Quote: CC-18a
                      I know their salaries and I will say that a highly specialized specialist far from Moscow receives from 60 thousand without premiums and with premiums from 80 to 160 thousand

                      belay Are you sure about Russia? This is up to 5 thousand. bucks a month !!!
                      Quote: CC-18a
                      but I don’t believe yours because in my life s / n they cut the current in 2009 somewhere and now they raise the current

                      It's cooler than even rubbing it on TV. I will continue to contact you for a positive (and look less at your wallet). good
                      1. CC-18a
                        +1
                        11 June 2012 04: 36
                        Quote: Ribwort
                        Are you sure about Russia? This is up to 5 thousand. bucks a month !!!

                        Yes. Welcome to reality, and forget your parallel reality of the swamp world if you have enough mind.

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        It's cooler than even rubbing it on TV. I will continue to contact you for a positive (and look less at your wallet).

                        boy, grow up first then judge the current what is. So far you have lied so much that at the time of your parents you tear off your ears and put in a belt.

                        WHERE A SCAN OF CALCULATIONS? A LIAR !!!
                      2. -2
                        11 June 2012 13: 49
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        WHERE A SCAN OF CALCULATIONS?

                        And how many of us keep settlement sheets for the last two years? Set a deliberately impossible task, and then call a liar. Learned in power, grandpa? Theoretically, one could ask the accounting department to print a salary, then scan it in the village council, spending time and money ... But do you seriously think that for you I will do this? Not a lot of honor? I don't care if you believe it or not. In reality, I live, and you:
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        an official should receive a salary more than others and as much as is sufficient for an official to refuse a bribe.

                        Although they are happy to take both ...
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        The average for the country s / n 24tych.

                        One has 250000, and a hundred has 10000. The average is about 25000 ...
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        the trends are everywhere positive and life will become even better by the 2010s

                        Trends go back to the 90s, but without oil and gas
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        I know their salaries and I will say that a highly specialized specialist far from Moscow receives from 60 thousand without premiums and with premiums from 80 to 160 thousand

                        In general, I envy you. Well, probably there in your reality. But I still advise less smoking any rubbish ...
                      3. CC-18a
                        0
                        22 June 2012 16: 13
                        Quote: Ribwort
                        And how many of us keep settlement sheets for the last two years?

                        No, but they do not declare any heresy. You milk pump still apparently do not know that before you declare something you need to have a dock. base, you don’t have it.
                        I can say right now that you are gay and a rapist of young boys. I won’t give you the evidence, but how many of us keep all the photos and videos of all sorts of gay crimes ...
                        So now your statement has exactly the same reason to be like the fact that you are gay.

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        But do you seriously think that for your sake I will do this? Not a lot of honor? I don't care if you believe it or not. In reality, I live, and you:

                        That is, you are a liar, again! this is a fact of your lie more than 10 at least.

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        Although they are happy to take both ...

                        Go prove it! I personally got tired of reading any heresy like the yellow press. In our country, it has become fashionable to do nothing to scratch your campaign with your tongue, and here you are the same idiotic idler.

                        People with honor if they say one thing, they prove it, if they believe that the official is taking bribes, then the person of honor should know about it personally and not from One Grandmother Said. And if an official takes a bribe, a person of honor goes to the prosecutor's office.
                        And you are not a man of honor, you are just a verbiage loafer.

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        One has 250000, and a hundred has 10000. The average is about 25000 ...

                        laughing Ribwort Kinda Go to school.
                        (250 + (000 * 10)) / 000 = (100+ 101) / 250 = 000 / 1 = 12 376
                        fool
                        So you, besides being a liar, are also a stupid young child laughing This is not even an insult, it's just a fact! which is proven, I, unlike you, prove my words.

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        Trends go back to the 90s, but without oil and gas

                        There is a tendency to dullness wassat

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        In general, I envy you. Well, probably there in your reality. But I still advise less smoking any rubbish ...

                        Before you talk with big uncles, it would be better if you asked your dad and mom, and congratulations, you proved to everyone here that you:
                        1) Stupid!
                        2) You are not responsible for the words, you're lying! that is, you are a liar!
                        3) You can’t even think that simple mathematics is not capable of speaking about high matters of politics, economics and other things.
                        In general, you really disgraced yourself!
                      4. -1
                        23 June 2012 15: 40
                        Quote: CC-18a
                        (250 + (000 * 10)) / 000 = (100+ 101) / 250 = 000 / 1 = 000

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        For some reason I was sure that you would pay attention to this. Essentially nothing to say ...
                        And, by the way, if you really pay attention to such things ... Quote: "Double-sided" Shouldn't you go and learn some more, you ugly lump.
                      5. CC-18a
                        0
                        24 June 2012 05: 42
                        In essence, everything has already been said, including your mediocre statements.
                        It’s said clearly you are: a liar, a hypocrite, a two-year-old youngster incapable of counting 2 + 2, you are 10-14 years old, and psychologically you are a very offended child to see children on the street always beating you (this incidentally justifies your stupidity).

                        Quote: Ribwort
                        ugly chock.

                        But for this you can slap the straightening of the skull;) only alas you seem to catch it every day.
            2. +2
              11 June 2012 06: 07
              carver - I allow myself to note from personal experience that everyone who calls himself creative ... turned out to be balabol and, when solving issues of medium difficulty, very quickly signed up for their helplessness, often trying to transfer the blame to another.
          2. CC-18a
            +1
            10 June 2012 01: 31
            Quote: Ribwort
            First, let the salaries in the country be brought in line with Western countries, and then they talk about fines. This is what we resent.

            Yeah, and then you need to raise taxes. As in Europe, 50-80% and not our 13%.
            Only you will again become opposed, you need all the best and that you do nothing personally for this.

            In fact, your personal statements and the statements of the marsh strongly resemble spoiled children who were given everything and did not require anything in return ... and then they let them live on their own, but here you have problems, you don’t want to work, but you want to live beautifully.
            1. +1
              10 June 2012 22: 53
              Quote: CC-18a
              Yeah, and then you need to raise taxes. As in Europe, 50-80% and not our 13%.

              Strong in the tax system? Well then, take an interest in how much, besides the 13% that you see in the payroll from the salary accrued to you, the employer pays in the form of a social tax? 26% off! Plus 1% to the union, which is only enough for New Year's gifts to children (but this is voluntary) Total - 40% !!! Add annual transport, property and land taxes. That is, we pay almost half of our salary to the state. Your comments are emotional, but knowledge of the topic is not enough.
              Quote: CC-18a
              you don’t want to work, but you want to live beautifully.

              And we work, and we live not badly (by the standards of the province). But when the authorities cheat insolently-I do not like it. Which is natural.
              1. CC-18a
                0
                11 June 2012 00: 03
                Quote: Ribwort
                Strong in the tax system?

                Yes, strong.

                Quote: Ribwort
                Well then, take an interest in how many, besides those 13%

                What for? I gave you a% income tax on individuals in Europe, an analogue of our 13% tax. All cheeky bunches and corresponds to the analogue.
                But you obviously do not know what nifig, but from some kind of budun climbed into a dispute in which there is no boom boom fool Why disgrace yourself?

                Quote: Ribwort
                Do you see the employer paying in the form of social tax in the payroll from your accrued salary? 26% off!

                I also charge s / n.
                In Europe, a similar tax is 50% or more. In Italy, if not mistaken 56%. That is 56% of the salary tax. Then thereafter, over 50% of the income tax in Europe. In Sweden, these figures are somewhere around 70-80%.
                There are still insurance premiums in Europe, companies there also pay a lot of dough to the government, and this is probably not a tax, and they don’t write much about it anywhere.

                Quote: Ribwort
                Total - 40% !!!

                In Europe, then it’s 100-150%, but this is total, but it really turns out (salary * 50%) * 50%.
                I am writing as an example.
                In the Russian Federation, the salary is 1000 rubles, -40% of your 600 rubles, the balance is 600/1000 = 3/5
                In the EU, in developed countries, the salary of 1000 Euro -50% = 500 Euro then 500 Euro - 50% = 250 / 250 =1/4 current falls into the pocket of a European and less than that.

                3/5> 1/4
                So the tax burden in the Russian Federation is generally one of the softest.

                Quote: Ribwort
                Add annual transport, property and land taxes.

                In Europe, there are also such taxes. about transport, they don’t know how much they pay, but the land tax in the EU is frantic, so much so that the richest are able to have land, while in our country the poorest easily have land.
                Quote: Ribwort
                That is, we pay almost half of our salary to the state.
                Maybe.
                The current in Europe then, accordingly, the European pays not half as much as we do, but almost all of his salary and he still has 1/20 of the current. And they work hard in Europe if you don’t be healthy; it’s not like a freebie in the Russian Federation ... you will rest in the EU, I’d be glad that the European would be forced to work with us as ours, then the Russian Federation would bloom awesome! but again, the brake on the development of the economy in the Russian Federation is the lack of culture in modern society.

                Yes, and even their prices are more expensive than we do not have current in terms of currency but also in relation to the consumer basket, and the young Europeans in general in this regard are a complete caput (

                Quote: Ribwort
                Your comments are emotional, but knowledge of the topic is not enough.

                HOOT pf ... right now I almost burst out laughing)))

                Quote: Ribwort
                And we work, and we live not badly (by the standards of the province). But when the authorities cheat insolently-I do not like it. Which is natural.

                Nobody likes it. But due to the fact that the authorities are deceiving to deceive not the authorities but the traitors, this is extremely stupid!
                And besides, what's your brain? in fact, we have laws and there are methods of struggle for the right not to be deceived, we must be able to see and use all the tools of the current. But down with Putin is not a tool, it is a provocation of traitors.


                Threat: for Europeans, the average salary in the Russian Federation in 2011 is 45-46 thousand rubles.
      3. +1
        9 June 2012 15: 18
        And I welcome you to Esaul.
        With the victory of you and the upcoming (albeit strange, but a holiday)
        1. -3
          9 June 2012 18: 10
          volcano,
          Andrey, hello, buddy! For congratulations on the holiday (if we mean the Day of Russia) - thank you. Of course, over the decades of the USSR, we got used to the holidays that we were supposed to celebrate and we perceive everything new with caution. It's understandable, buddy. But you need to get used to the fact that Russia has changed and various "findings" are used in the search for a unifying idea. Let's take this holiday more positively and hope that, over time, it will acquire ideological content in our hearts and minds.
          Sincerely. Valery. drinks
  3. +15
    9 June 2012 08: 52
    Power scared? Whom? Chirikov, Udaltsova. Do not be afraid of hamsters bears. Nemtsov flies a couple of times and his 3 rover will repay his land debts. We replenish the budget at the expense of the marsh, at least some benefit from the waste.
    1. +6
      9 June 2012 09: 51
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Power scared? Whom?

      Sasha, I absolutely agree with you. It would not hurt to sting at some media outlets that present this topic in such a way that, supposedly, the marsh shelupony puts the conditions of power. All this riffraff is yapping while she really (like in the whole civilized world - with water cannons, light-noise, tear and a baton on the ridge) did not touch ...
      1. +1
        9 June 2012 11: 02
        The right thought! At one time they took, it came to take from them!
      2. 0
        9 June 2012 17: 56
        These protesters themselves say: When they pressed two hundred, three hundred. Now tens of thousands. True butt with riot police, after the rally all the same, this quantity remains, two hundred, three hundred.
    2. +6
      9 June 2012 11: 05
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Was the power scared? Whom? Chirikov, Udaltsova ...

      It is a pity that in all this you only discerned Chirikov, Udaltsov, Nemtsov, Kasyanov, etc. ... They are the ones that interest me the least. And first of all you need to see the people, those tens of thousands that do not allow the authorities to become completely impudent, to turn their affairs, putting huge things on people with a device.
      1. +3
        9 June 2012 14: 23
        Come on, the organizers of these rallies (just don’t say that the rallies are spontaneous) use part of the people for their own selfish purposes. Do I need it so that they ride on my hump? Regarding the fact that these "heroes" do not allow the authorities to become completely insolent "is a controversial statement because the result is zero. The only slogan is" Putin go away "(and the like), but these people do not offer anything concrete." good against all bad. "If I go to the rally, then I support its organizers. And I do not support them.

        I believe that any mass events should be coordinated with the local authorities (in this case, the city hall). I consider the coordination necessary, as it is necessary to ensure the safety of citizens. If the event is not agreed upon, then the responsibility falls on those who perform on stage and direct the event.
      2. +3
        9 June 2012 18: 21
        Quote: Ribwort
        It is a pity that in all this you only discerned Chirikov, Udaltsov, Nemtsov, Kasyanov, etc.

        it’s just that any criticism of the authorities is equated with them, now only in the kitchen you can be indignant with your neighbors, and if I say on the street that I have been delayed for 2 months, please pay kindly, by the way, the President’s Human Rights Council recognized this law as unconstitutional, it turns out, and they put it on the constitution
      3. +7
        9 June 2012 23: 11
        All the same, there are sober people on this site. Thanks Ribwort. Dear, look how people live outside the Moscow Ring Road. Everything goes abroad - gas, oil, wood, electricity. And the salary in the neighboring village is 1500 per month. We have a little more than 5-7 thousand, but this is the only state-owned enterprise. Well, who among you and how, loud, trying to change anything in the country? Yes, you all seem to like everything and you are at the feeding trough. The rest of the enemies. Here it is the Soviet legacy, it’s easier to untie the civil. Than to agree. If the laws are in our country would be mandatory for everyone - there would be order and stability.
        1. CC-18a
          0
          10 June 2012 01: 35
          You're a liar. It’s not even necessary to prove it so clearly everything is visible.
        2. Vanya Ivanov
          -1
          10 June 2012 12: 30
          Nicola "it's easier to unleash a civil one. Than to negotiate."
  4. Michael 9999
    +11
    9 June 2012 08: 52
    unfortunately we have (the law that draws) and you can turn against anyone, even against the fans, even against the party of beer lovers
    1. +3
      9 June 2012 09: 32
      Quote: Michael 9999
      you can turn against anyone, even against the fans, even against the party of beer lovers

      Michael, welcome. So it is not necessary for parties of beer lovers or fans to cross the line of reason. And then associations on the love of beer are trying to give themselves the status of a POLITICAL party! To what? For another flower buttercup in a flowery bouquet of all kinds of parquet? Well, people like to consolidate either by a barrel of beer or by a barbecue in nature, so yell about the political platform what the hell ?!
      1. +1
        9 June 2012 11: 07
        Quote: esaul
        Well, people like to consolidate either by a barrel of beer or by a barbecue in nature, so yell about the political platform what the hell ?!

        Correctly! United Russia and the manual opposition represented by the Communist Party, LDPR, SR - Forever! Do I understand you correctly?
        1. 0
          9 June 2012 18: 21
          Quote: Ribwort
          manual opposition represented by the Communist Party, LDPR, SR - Forever!

          I partially agree with the definition in relation to the Liberal Democratic Party and the joint venture, but the Communist Party is a bust, buddy. If it were not for the presence of the Communist Party and its support of the white-collar workers with their policies (even contrary to common sense), then today we would not have riot policemen in hospital wards and the frantic bark of the same Nemtsovs, provocative antics of the Udaltsovs and petty giggles around the corner of all kinds of Limonovs and others human rights defenders.
        2. vladimir64ss
          0
          9 June 2012 19: 24
          Quote: Ribwort
          manual opposition

          Quote: Ribwort
          And first of all you need to see the people, those tens of thousands that do not allow the authorities to become insolent

          And his eyes are so honest, honest. The man is so arranged that he always has a reason to grumble. And there are always those who want to make money on it. And so that conscience does not bother - to call everything a struggle for rights.
  5. Owl
    +13
    9 June 2012 08: 57
    The opposition of "power" in Russia to the Russian People is noticeable. "Power" is afraid of the People, but for the People it ("power") does nothing, because in order to improve the living conditions (I don’t want to call it life) of the People, this "power" needs to tear something away from itself and move the feeding trough away from itself. The lack of quantity and quality of "gingerbread" is compensated by the lengthening of the "stick".
    1. +4
      9 June 2012 11: 15
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      The opposition of "power" in Russia to the Russian People is noticeable.

      An analogy from professional activity came to mind: Each steam boiler has a safety valve that allows you to bleed off excess steam when the pressure rises above the permissible level. So, transferring this analogy to the situation under discussion, the rallies are that very safety valve. And the increase in fines is tantamount to the fact that some clever guy twisted this valve on the boiler "to die." In the short term, this will give a result and the boiler will withstand more pressure than it was designed for. But if the government does not take real measures to reduce the "steam pressure" in society, disaster will be inevitable. Think about it...
      1. Cadet787
        +6
        9 June 2012 12: 45
        Dear Anatoly. As I understand it, no one is going to ban rallies, but no one, even the opposition, is allowed to hooliganize at them.
        1. +5
          9 June 2012 18: 29
          Quote: Cadet787
          but no one is allowed to hooliganize at them, not even the opposition.

          Well, they say at the court 3 cops-behaved defiantly, expressed obscene language that we have an independent court? and what is the percentage of the population trusting the Russian judicial system?
          1. evgen2124
            +1
            10 June 2012 01: 28
            yeah! and the police have nothing more to do than snatch people out of the crowd and go out with them until the trial! all the more so under the new law on police, each employee is personally responsible for their actions and there is no need to talk about the cover from the bosses! any prosecutor’s glad will be chopping a stick on the lawlessness of the police and judges all the more so to show how they fight corruption!
          2. CC-18a
            +2
            10 June 2012 01: 38
            And you answer like that. All 3 police officers are interested persons and cannot testify.
            And then like that. Give me the evidence that I was using foul language and prove that they are addressed, and that the video was and a photo.

            Karoche ... in fact, people simply do not know how to use the law and the constitution of the Russian Federation, and they are the most sparing with us.
            1. -1
              10 June 2012 19: 24
              Quote: CC-18a
              All 3 police officers are interested persons and cannot testify.
              And then like that. Give me the evidence that I was using foul language and prove that they are addressed, and that the video was and a photo.

              and evidence is not necessary if there is no stop, on the other hand, the judge makes a decision on the basis of a detention protocol, albeit not signed, and slams you a hooligan in full
              1. CC-18a
                0
                11 June 2012 00: 07
                Look for the dock. In your opinion, what should the judge himself look for evidence of your innocence?
                Judging by your words, I conclude that the people are completely fucked up. Sitting on the stove, she doesn’t even want to protect herself.
                And rightly they’ll slap you a hooligan if you yourself don’t want to resist this not with words but with actions and mind.
                1. -1
                  11 June 2012 00: 23
                  Quote: CC-18a
                  In your opinion, what should the judge himself look for evidence of your innocence?

                  Does this really need evidence? But what about the presumption of innocence?
                  1. CC-18a
                    +1
                    11 June 2012 04: 44
                    boy, it's okay that you've seen enough of Hollywood movies, I'd love to watch you in court dismiss any accusation "we have the presumption of innocence, so I don't have to prove that I'm not guilty" laughing Here the courtroom would be neighing, although not, you would be assigned a forensic psychological examination.

                    But in fact:
                    1) What is the presumption of innocence you do not know even closely, it is clearly shown by your statements. You will be convicted and imprisoned while the accused will speak before the trial and after that the guilty person will thereby preserve the presumption of innocence de jure.
                    2) If you are accused of something in court, it means that there are some documents for it! which means if you are stupid nastoka that wake up to declare "we have the presumption of innocence, so I do not need to prove that I am not guilty" and nothing else you will be imprisoned and will be right! It is necessary to prove in court, preferably every word. You will not understand this since you are a liar and have lied so much in the discussion with me that it is simply awful.
                    1. -2
                      12 June 2012 13: 42
                      Quote: CC-18a
                      I would love to watch you dismiss any accusation in court "we have the presumption of innocence"

                      The charge should be based on evidence. And we talked about the case:
                      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                      if they are not present, on the other hand, the judge will decide on the basis of the detention protocol

                      No need to juggle.
                      PS Do you seem to consider yourself the smartest? And of course competent in all matters.
                      1. CC-18a
                        -2
                        22 June 2012 16: 22
                        Quote: Ribwort
                        The charge should be based on evidence. And we talked about the case:

                        Baby, you aren’t yet aware of your short life, but count up! Before the trial begins, you must have a dock for the prosecution and weighty! if there is no dock, then the court will not even be appointed. But this is so, in Russia in real life.

                        I don’t know how in your parallel pin * dos universe based on Hollywood, we can really have hell in your universe of the Russian Federation and everything is like in a crooked mirror and exactly as Hollywood aga shows
  6. +6
    9 June 2012 08: 59
    And what is it, dear author, are you so worried about hooligans and brawlers? And the entire population of Russia should not be counted among the militant Protestants! The law is correct and timely! And the fact that the fines are large is good. Let the "rrrevolutionaries" think well before disrupting public order!
    1. +1
      9 June 2012 14: 05
      Quite right. And if they become poor, then ... "abroad will help them"!
    2. +4
      9 June 2012 18: 42
      Quote: Vadim-Ragalevich
      And the fact that the fines are large is good.

      only ordinary people who are dissatisfied with the housing and communal services, juvenile, and much more than others will frighten with large fines, will now be sitting at home, something that the authorities will never think of introducing the same percentage fines against corruption and theft
      1. +2
        9 June 2012 23: 18
        Funny however! Isn't the notion of power, corruption and theft the same thing? A raven a raven as they say does not bite his eye.
      2. +2
        10 June 2012 00: 27
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        something the authorities can’t guess at all the same percentage fines to introduce against corruption and theft

        What the hell ... They can't pass the Law on Cost Control! It is clear that he will not be fulfilled, but will concern mainly small officials, but at least something ...
      3. evgen2124
        0
        10 June 2012 01: 32
        ordinary people let them complain through their deputies that normal people do! For this, the deputy corps created, and did not arrange outrage on the street, hiding behind political slogans!
        1. -1
          10 June 2012 23: 04
          Quote: eugen2124
          for this, the deputy corps and created

          This would not hurt the deputies themselves to remind more often. And for some reason, the deputies and public servants of his wife - are entirely economic geniuses. Judging by the declarations, hundreds of times more husbands earn. Why would that be? request
  7. +5
    9 June 2012 09: 10
    Since Anatoly Nikiforov is so well aware of the political cuisine of the Duma .... he is destined to fate - to organize a new party, especially now, like two fingers ...
    And to realize - all the good intentions, by which, it is known where the road is paved. To the emerald city to Scarecrow.
    At the same time he will be himself - Party Leader. You won’t have to break through stunned ... old-timers.
    Flag in hand .. and forward.

    Ah, vagabonds along the Swamps .. and like them - ideas, or what attracted? 500 rubles in your pocket.
    Well, right ... I got 500 (and did I get it?) - I gave them 10-20-50.
    Well, the organizers - in proportion.

    Eh, they’ve rightly been inspired from youth ... Homeland requires heroes, and a star gives birth to fools.
    Do you like to roam .. in the areas - invest money to clean the area.
    1. Hey
      +6
      9 June 2012 09: 41
      Do you like to roam .. in the areas - invest money to clean the area.
      I would also add and do the cleaning yourself.
  8. +5
    9 June 2012 09: 15
    "It's just that their role is this: to criticize any proposals of the ruling party. Citizens are so accustomed to their constant indignation that very few people pay attention to them."
    I only liked this phrase. Where did these dissenters get so much free time? For days they "walk", the feeling that they go to their "walks", marches and other stands as if they were going to work.

    "But the problem is that the Russian society wants decisions to be made taking into account different opinions, taking into account dialogue. And now its absence is becoming a problem for the country."
    The more opinions, the more chaos. "... when there is no agreement among the comrades, etc."
    In short, the article is minus in content, although it is stated correctly.
  9. Oleg0705
    +7
    9 June 2012 09: 20
    Punishment is nothing but a means of self-defense of society against violations of the conditions of its existence ...

    K. Marx

    How can you treat people like Bartholomew? why is this breeding ground for lies and enemies of Russia still unbroken like cockroaches am

    This is not the Russian team. This is Putin’s team, and now it’s a shame to root for him.
    On the football field, these players deserve only a whistle.

    Vladimir Varfolomeev journalist "Echo of Moscow"
    http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/varfolomeev/857026-echo/
    1. +8
      9 June 2012 13: 03
      Quote: Oleg0705
      Punishment is nothing but a means of self-defense of the society against violations of the conditions of its existence ..


      The ideas of Leiba Davidovich Bronstein (Lev Davydovich Trotsky) and Israel Lazarevich Gelfand (Alexander Lvovich Parvus) are relevant and in demand today. By whom? Russian "opposition".
      The ideas of Leiba Davidovich Bronstein (Lev Davydovich Trotsky) and Israel Lazarevich Gelfand (Alexander Lvovich Parvus) are relevant and in demand today. By whom? The Russian "opposition" methods of undermining the financial system of Russia are the same as in the fifth and in the 12th year.
      Because the current "opposition", as well as the "opposition" in Russia of the 1905 model, is financed from the same foreign source. Their goal also has not changed: to cause shocks and destabilization at any cost.
      Suppose, if all depositors of a certain bank immediately take away all deposits and reset their accounts, frightened by some factors of instability, what will happen to the bank? Nothing good, it just bursts. And if all countries at once demand from the USA a debt of 15 trillion dollars. will be the same.
      Remember from the school history of the Manifesto on October 17, 1905? With whom the Constitution was introduced and multi-party system was enshrined (even such a party as Octobrists) Immediately after that, the then revolutionaries Bronstein and Gelfand, who then wore not white ribbons but exclusively red ones, tried to deliver a severe blow to the Russian economy.
      On December 2, 1905, the Petersburg Council, in which Parvus and Trotsky played the main role, published the Financial Manifesto. All the revolutionary forces of that time (Socialist-Revolutionaries, Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, etc.), all the separatists of that time (Polish Socialist Party) warmly supported their comrades. What was the meaning of the "Financial manifesto"? Parvus and Trotsky called for the withdrawal of deposits from Sberkass and thereby bring closer the "collapse of tsarism." The manifesto “urged to refuse to pay taxes and taxes, to withdraw their deposits from the State Bank and savings banks, demanding that in all financial transactions, as well as upon receipt of wages, the entire amount be paid in gold”

      By the way, our ruble was then gold and circulated along with bank notes. And what would the issue of gold in hand result in? Correctly, leaching of gold reserves and financial collapse. That's just why the authorities made concessions for me personally remains a mystery.
      The result was real difficulties in the economy of the Russian Empire, weakened by strikes and riots. The government was forced to take ... loans abroad. Mostly in France. Mostly at the banking houses of the Rothschilds and Dupons under the guarantees of the gold reserve of Russia. As a result, two years later it led to the pulling of Russia into the Entente and the conclusion of the English-Russian agreement in the summer of 1907. And then everyone knows everything. The First World-Revolution-the rise to power of the proteges of world banking
      flooded our country with the blood of a civil war. All this was done exclusively to combat the “rotten tsarist regime” and the “bloody Nikolashka”
      Here is the text of the "Financial Manifesto" from the memoirs of Comrade Trotsky
      “The government is on the verge of bankruptcy. It turned the country into ruins and littered them with corpses. Exhausted and starving peasants are not able to pay taxes. The government opened a loan to the landlords with national money. Now he has nowhere to go with the mortgaged manor estates. Factories and plants are idle. No work. General trade stagnation. The government built railways, navy, fortresses on the capital of foreign loans, and stocked up weapons. Foreign sources have run out - government orders have disappeared ...
      Nobody is sure anymore about tomorrow. Foreign capital goes back abroad. Floats in foreign banks and capital is “purely Russian”. The rich sell their property and flee abroad. Predators flee the country and take away the people's good. The government has long since spent all state revenues on the army and navy. There are no schools. Roads are running ...
      The government, year after year, makes a false estimate of income and expenses, with both of them showing less than real; robbing at will, calculates the excess, instead of the annual deficiency. Uncontrolled officials plunder the already exhausted treasury. This financial ruin can be stopped only after the overthrow of the autocracy by the Constituent Assembly. It will undertake a rigorous investigation of public finances and establish a detailed, clear, accurate and verified estimate of government revenues and expenses (budget). Fear of popular control, which will reveal the financial inconsistency of the government to the whole world, makes it delay the convening of a national representation ...
      Defending its predation, the government forces the people to wage a mortal struggle with it. In this struggle, hundreds of thousands of citizens die and go bankrupt, and production, trade and means of communication are destroyed in their foundations. There is only one outcome - to overthrow the government, take away its last forces. It is necessary to cut off his last source of livelihood: financial income. This is necessary not only for the political and economic liberation of the country, but also, in particular, for streamlining the financial economy of the state ... "

      Chirikov on "Echo of Moscow" (nothing changes with the dismissal of Venediktov's pawn "
      “Now imagine what will happen if we withdraw our money from Sberbank? If you do this within a year - most likely, nothing. But if within one or two days (we can simultaneously go to the rally, in the end!) - the consequences can be very interesting. The margin of stability of any bank is limited, especially in times of crisis. Investing billions in projects of Putin’s friends, it’s impossible to keep a sufficient supply of money in order to instantly pay off all investors. The process can be quite spectacular - if anyone remembers the lines in front of banks during the 1998 crisis. And if, as a result of our actions, Sberbank will have interruptions in the issuance of cash, investors will run away from it and have nothing to do with the protest: we will start a chain reaction and the process of capital outflow from Putinists will begin to support itself. ”

      My webpage
      Leiba Davidovich and Izrael Lazarevich would probably be satisfied. The comrades are on the right track!

      Well, once again I’ll clarify. Sberbank is not a state bank. The owner of a controlling stake in Sberbank is the Central Bank of Russia, which in turn not subordinate to the state. But this is the largest bank in Russia - if it is knocked down, the entire financial system starts to fail, other banks start to fall. The government cannot allow this, and it will spend significant amounts on maintaining the banking system afloat. The purpose of the entire operation, the same as in 1905, is to triple the chaos and make the treasury lose weight.
      And "convince" to borrow from the "good" bankers ... All the same Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Wartburgs, etc. And then, according to the well-known scenario, drawing into wars and revolutions, chaos, the coming to power of the Khodorkovsky and blood .. blood .. blood ..
      Well, all the same "Echo" on the front line. If we recall the story again, Tsar Nicholas 2 did not take effective measures. And this discussed stupid law on rallies only contributes to the creation of an aura of fighters-martyrs against a bloody regime and not a means of self-defense of society and punishment of pseudo-revolutionaries (the State Department will allocate money for them for fines), but ordinary people dissatisfied with the arbitrariness of local officials or demanding the protection of their constitutional rights will suffer more Total.
      Quote: Igarr
      Eh, they’ve rightly been inspired from youth ... Homeland requires heroes, and a star gives birth to fools.
      from EP
      Quotes from N. Starikov's book "Who finances the collapse of Russia?" and from "Decembrists to Mujahideen"
      http://nstarikov.ru/books/154
      1. Oleg0705
        +2
        9 June 2012 13: 17
        maybe it’s time to tackle it already? why so much tolerance?
        1. +11
          9 June 2012 14: 48
          Quote: Oleg0705
          maybe it’s time to tackle it already? why so much tolerance?


          Here I am talking about the same thing and not pass stupid half-hearted laws that set people against power even more. And then after all, someone, if he seeks to please both ours and yours, can repeat the fate of Nicholas 2 and the people will begin to engage in terrible Russian fun called - beat yours so that others are afraid
      2. +3
        9 June 2012 23: 48
        Ascetic, he himself understood why he quoted the whole article? And now, I immediately remembered a close example in the subject: I came, then the Soviet people went to savings banks and took all my money, though not gold, and that was in the early 90s. The USSR immediately collapsed from the collapse in the banking system. And I have a TV in front of my eyes, and on the TV a filthy red mug, joyfully broadcasts so that I beg and brought five and a half milliards from the IMF. And nothing: first robbed energy, and now - the main nanist.
  10. Miha_Skif
    +7
    9 June 2012 09: 27
    It seems the article is so politically correct written ... And all the same, the article leaves an unpleasant aftertaste.

    Why, then, is it interesting that bringing Russian legislation in line with European norms causes such rejection and aggression among pro-Western liberal-minded oppositionists? Maybe because it is becoming more and more difficult for various opposition leaders to conduct their "muddy" "swamp" games in the Russian space with impunity?
    am am am
  11. toguns
    +7
    9 June 2012 09: 29
    wassat the author is more than completely swampy, before writing tearful articles about the dominance of the coveted Putin regime, he would be better off familiarizing himself with world practice in this matter.
  12. +7
    9 June 2012 10: 00
    But the problem is that Russian society wants decisions to be made taking into account diverse opinions, taking into account dialogue. And now its absence is becoming a problem for the country.


    It is simply amazing how now everyone loves to replace concepts. According to the author, a dialogue with the authorities means it can only be conducted with the help of such rallies, which we saw on May 6 ... What kind of nonsense? Sometimes it seems to me that all this madness that has swept some people now is just a dream.
    The protest movement is now moving towards the destruction of everything that is, and it does not strive for any dialogue, therefore its representatives leave all "round tables", and not at all because someone is behaving arrogantly. And it is not necessary to say that the authorities allegedly brought the people to this? Complete nonsense. All these attempts must be directed in a different direction, or rather not to destroy, but to improve the system. Fortunately, there are a lot of opportunities now, for example, the Internet. Any lawlessness can now have a huge resonance. We need social movements that would be engaged in such things and could protect citizens from bureaucratic, gangster and other lawlessness and make this machine work. And no need to say that nothing will work, because our laws are like that ... But if we had at least US laws, would it have become easier? Democracy implies the existence of a socially active society, the purpose of which would be to influence and improve what is, and not a society of constant Protestants and destroyers.
  13. elvira
    +6
    9 June 2012 10: 43
    Hmm ... It turns out we are equal to Europe? Too bad selective! The average payments do not correspond to the European ones, and the fines will be higher than in the UK.
    How to conduct elections, so a guide to the Middle Eastern countries, well, or African there, but like the law on toughening fines, so to the European ones!

    PS: And by the way, the majority says that rather wealthy people go to rallies ... Well, how much do they pay there, what do they agree? The State Department is so rich ????? belay
    1. -1
      9 June 2012 11: 17
      Quote: elvira
      Hmm ... It turns out we are equal to Europe? Too bad selective!

      Are you for gay marriage? love
      1. elvira
        +7
        9 June 2012 11: 52
        Quote: Kurkul
        Are you for gay marriage

        in no case ... Do not pull the phrases to pieces! This is the lot of the "yellow press" ... It seems in the commentary it is clear what it is about ...
    2. Oleg0705
      -2
      9 June 2012 11: 18
      girlfriend chirik choi-or? smile Elvira, Elvirka, El, El, Elun, Elius, Elush, Vira, Elvi, Elva. ?
      1. Oleg0705
        -2
        9 June 2012 11: 27
        didn't understand Transfestites? here? or non-traditional leaked? what
      2. elvira
        +4
        9 June 2012 11: 57
        Nooo ... what My girlfriend’s name is Gulnara, but not Chirikov ... lol Oleg, Olezhek, Olezhenka, Olezhenok, OleZhulik ...
        1. Oleg0705
          -2
          9 June 2012 12: 04
          OleZhulik ....? Who am I? crying
          1. Oleg0705
            -2
            10 June 2012 13: 08
            both on Elvira is it jealous of me for you? or oriented non-traditionally promoted? lol
            1. elvira
              +1
              11 June 2012 17: 07
              Quote: Oleg0705
              both on Elvira is it jealous of me for you? or oriented non-traditionally promoted?

              But the dog knows him .....what
  14. 0
    9 June 2012 10: 55
    Look at the composition of the protesters ... You need to drive these types! While the whole country is engaged in labor activities, these loafers (oppositionists) rally ... What are they living on? All opposition is corrupt! Bastards sold for 30 pieces of silver ...
    1. +7
      9 June 2012 11: 17
      Quote: baron.nn
      Look at the composition of the protesters ... You need to drive these types! While the whole country is engaged in labor activities, these loafers (oppositionists) rally ...

      But what about rallies in support of Putin? There, according to media reports, more people participated! How are they? At a time when the country is engaged in labor activities! wink
      1. +1
        9 June 2012 11: 22
        Quote: Ribwort
        But what about rallies in support of Putin?

        And what was the answer from Putin’s supporters? Maybe - silently wet? sad
        1. +2
          9 June 2012 11: 43
          Quote: Kurkul
          And what was the answer from Putin’s supporters?

          I didn’t ask what the answer should be, but why the terms
          Quote: baron.nn
          While the whole country is engaged in labor activities, these loafers (oppositionists) rally ... What are they living on?

          And as
          Quote: baron.nn
          Bastards sold for 30 pieces of silver ...

          in your understanding apply only to the opposition?
        2. +3
          9 June 2012 23: 56
          In walnut-zuevo honey. workers with teachers (about 200 people gathered) were driven to the rally in support of Pu under the threat of a cut in s / n and dismissal.
    2. -1
      9 June 2012 18: 31
      Quote: baron.nn
      Look at the composition of the protesters ... You need to drive these types! While the whole country is engaged in labor activities, these loafers (oppositionists) rally ... What are they living on? All opposition is corrupt! Bastards sold for 30 pieces of silver ...

      Ilya Vladimirovich, there is already one clown here who chose this manner of communication for himself, considering himself the second Aesop. You are easy to calculate - you are just from this "Great Pleiade" of Nemtsovs, Udaltsovs and Navalny ... No need ... Especially by introducing yourself as Ilya Vladimirovich. Such a face to some Lemon or Navalchik.
      1. Oleg0705
        -1
        10 June 2012 12: 59
        Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh But the crusts of bread must be worked out by the servants of the State Department lol
  15. +2
    9 June 2012 11: 39
    Bravo, Anatoly Nikiforov. Good, analytical article, although you haven't written anything particularly new. I sympathize, but I am sure that you will not be seriously hurt by the “dog wedding”, led by the esaul, who tried to bite you (but how they praise each other for “like-mindedness”!). And what verbal "pearls" are given by the Esaul and others like him, and, which is typical: not a single moderator paid attention to them! From their saliva, I even had to scrub the monitor, fearing that I would have to buy a new one! Obviously, the site owners have an absolutely necessary need for this kind of "commentators". Confirmation that this "wedding" is necessary and guarded by the site is that all my 5-6 "minuses" at the very first did not pass. And on another, smaller and more random "bipod" passed. Consequently, the site is also imposing an agreed opinion of 4-5 site-made cardboard generals, who are the same wandering from one article to another, throwing mud at the authors, and no analytics: why? Your business is to splash, and then it does not concern! By the way, none of this group wrote a single article on the site themselves. Obviously something is in the way. The only exception as of June 9th at 10:43 am is Elvira's comment. Unfortunately, this is the only person who tried to objectively deal with the background of the law approved by Putin.
    One consolation is that in 2-3 days this topic will go away and everything will be forgotten, especially since no one reads our comments.
    1. dmb
      +1
      9 June 2012 23: 48
      Here is one thing I did not understand, in connection with which the police officer "barked" at Ilya Vladimirovich. What was said by the latter is absolutely consistent with the statements of the Cossack leader himself, only without the marketplace abuse. The form of expression of their thoughts by the latter immediately brings back memories of the film "Hussar Ballad". I don't remember Azarova's exact phrase. Something like: "Which of the manners is most likely to be seen the habit of horses." I also love horses, but I try not to confuse them with people. However, not all is lost. Education penetrates the ranks of our "cardboard" Cossacks. Aesop has already become known to his representatives. True, so far he is mentioned rather in a negative sense, but this is nothing. I think that after reading his writings and not finding criticism of Putin in them, they will give Aesop a more positive assessment.
  16. scrack
    +7
    9 June 2012 11: 44
    It is necessary to prohibit persons with foreign and dual citizenship from holding government posts and leadership positions in public organizations
  17. kuzmich
    +10
    9 June 2012 14: 01
    olololo. Here are my 5 kopecks. The order is good, but first let that power restore order and then take care of the people. At meetings, not only pro-Western and similar villains, but also pensioners, veterans, invalids, parents with many children and the like people who do not live, but survive. All this supposedly opposition has nothing to do with the people, it was specially launched by the authorities to discredit such events and movements. There are no changes, tariffs have grown and are growing, gas has become more expensive and more expensive, products, services, any goods, everything grows up, people are poured into the ears of all sources of infarmation, anything but the truth. Education has covered, medicine is paid, there are no roads, taxes are rising. People are still tearing off like sticky, we are driven into velvet slavery. Loans, mortgages, and earlier they planted it for usurpers. Stalin from 1947 to 1953 achieved a reduction in prices for all products, goods and services. Spiculation was forbidden, usury was forbidden and this was in the post-war years. Dear and beloved Russian people, Slavs , think, analyze, think again. Live soberly and intelligently, do not let adversaries deceive you. The world of illusions is not our world. The guard of my borders is fear.
  18. -2
    9 June 2012 15: 37
    I am absolutely satisfied with the law, and if I decide to go to the rally, it is definitely not with the aim of supporting the "opposition" and fighting the cops. There are much more counter-intuitive things than just screaming about fair elections and fighting corruption.
  19. Nechai
    +2
    9 June 2012 16: 14
    Quote: Ascetic
    And then after all, someone, if he seeks to please both ours and yours, can repeat the fate of Nikolai 2

    Humpback also had an attempt at first, then later he sat down tightly on one chair. Unfortunately not half connected to the high voltage line.
    And the introduction of the "golden" ruble is an achievement of Mr. Witte. And dosi he is extolled by the current smishniki as a genius financier. Also, gold flowed like a river and the Russian Empire. I was amazed in his biography by the fact that he accepted the Jewish faith in order to enter the international circle of financiers! And in literature and memoirs, you only read that poor Jews had to accept Christianity in order to have an opportunity for self-realization in Russia. And here is such a trick - just the opposite!
    1. scrack
      0
      9 June 2012 20: 15
      Most of the Bolsheviks were Jews. This is a historical fact.
      1. kuzmich
        +3
        9 June 2012 20: 40
        the ruling elite of the Bolsheviks, so probably more correct to say.
        1. scrack
          0
          9 June 2012 20: 49
          You are right, that is exactly what I wanted to say
  20. Volkhov
    +5
    9 June 2012 16: 48
    For the past 20 years, rallies have been used as a safety valve for releasing steam, now they decided to close it so that it does not whistle - it will quiet down, and then it will burst - with boilers it is usually like that, the heating is not stopped.
    1. +4
      10 June 2012 00: 28
      We will stop overheating by fooling the people. From childhood: batman, teletubbies, spongebob ... School: no essays, only tests ... College: managers and economists instead of engineer, biologist, geographer, agronomist ... As a result, by 20-24 years a young man CANNOT THINK
      1. Volkhov
        +2
        10 June 2012 18: 14
        It is more convenient to manage a herd of sheep, but a crisis ensues, and sheep cannot protect themselves, especially the country and the leadership. The top greases the skis, the sheep graze without suspecting anything, and the leadership of the world has recently passed to those who are not boobies.
        When the situation reaches the rams, they will trample the leadership that did not have time to overthrow. Local rams are zombies with a penchant for cannibalism.
  21. +4
    9 June 2012 16: 48
    "bringing Russian legislation in line with European standards"
    But for some reason, we are not fighting European corruption.
    And what is the fine, or how to call it, the punishment for refusing to hold a rally? 20 thousand rubles?
  22. +11
    9 June 2012 17: 21
    Hi guys, long time no see smile
    In short, I became sad from this law. Orange guys didn’t threaten us with anything, it’s ridiculous to even assume that the liberals had chances to rock the country with rallies.
    This law is what they have achieved: now that the Annunciation cops are once again releasing a pedophile, no one will go out against such lawlessness.
    And then there's a juvenile girl on the way, soon bureaucrats will start picking up children for "poor living conditions", and again no one will take to the streets.
    Edro falsified its majority in the elections and this is full of video evidence. Now these cheaters calmly forget the people, as the people start to ask questions, no, not to the supreme power, but to specific criminals, saboteurs and agents - all these "xperds" and other handlers who are in the middle tier of power. And these here are the leaders of the law on rallies and covered their ass. Now you can create whatever they want.
    And all this nonsense about Bolotnaya, orange and makfol was beneficial to the Edru first of all.
    It remains only to trust in the Lord, suddenly there upstairs, at least someone has a conscience or fear wakes up
    1. -4
      9 June 2012 19: 34
      Something less and less faith "about monstrous falsifications" in the elections to the State Duma. Why the predictions of opinion polls before the elections (both pro-government and openly anti-government) gave such an alignment, which eventually came out? coincided with the final? Well, with minor exceptions, like the statistic error. You do not observe a logical chain, supposedly falsifications in the elections, moreover, "monstrous", hence the lack of faith in the results of the presidential elections, no matter how honest and open they are ... hope for people who are not particularly thinking and light on divorces. What if there are enough of them and it turns out to stir up some next Russian zikher (revolution)? Liberalism cannot come to power in another way! The majority does not vote for them - "voted", starting with the marked one ... In general, questions, questions ...
      1. +4
        9 June 2012 23: 56
        Quote: arnulla
        Why did the forecasts of opinion polls before the election (both pro-government and frankly anti-power) give such a alignment, which ultimately came out? Why did the poll results coincide with the results at the exit from the polls?

        Why were the results of voting when using the electronic system of vote counting DIFFERENTLY different from the results when using ordinary ballot boxes in neighboring precincts?
        1. CC-18a
          -1
          10 June 2012 01: 46
          Because the participants are very different both in age and professional affiliation.

          It’s like wondering that in ballot boxes at a gas station they suddenly voted for motorists, and in schools at breaks they voted against teachers.

          It is strange that you do not understand such simple things, you grow up, you gain knowledge and experience, you can understand.
          1. +1
            10 June 2012 23: 12
            Quote: CC-18a
            Because the participants are very different both in age and professional affiliation.

            Well, well ... Only bankers and youth came to one site, and teachers and senior citizens to the other? Something like this?
            Quote: CC-18a
            It is strange that you do not understand such simple things, you grow up, you gain knowledge and experience, you can understand.

            If I understand, I will stop respecting myself.
            1. CC-18a
              +1
              11 June 2012 00: 13
              Quote: Ribwort
              Well, well ... Only bankers and youth came to one site, and teachers and senior citizens to the other? Something like this?

              You will not believe! but quite possible! Those who conduct social surveys do not in vain conduct them in neutral environments and at several points ... although you don’t understand alas ... admit that you are less than 20 years old. It’s not bad if you’re young and have little understanding but are interested in wrong opinion is useful when you grow up and understand how wrong you were and how much you did not know and did not see.
              Quote: Ribwort
              If I understand, I will stop respecting myself.

              Start not to respect yourself now, but when you gain experience and wisdom, then you will begin to respect again.
              By the way, in a 15-year-old schoolboy, self-esteem creeps over the edge, but there is no mind at all. As always. At 25, self-respect no longer comes out in the form of a show off, but there’s enough hedgehog. At 45, there is respect for oneself, but it is expressed by current deeds and not by words, and there is already a lot of mind.
        2. 0
          10 June 2012 14: 46
          Have they been different everywhere? Straight across the country? And who said that they should be the same everywhere? By the way, there are no answers to my questions ... That's right, just in case ...
    2. vladimir64ss
      +1
      9 June 2012 23: 45
      Quote: Magadan
      In short, I became sad from this law

      And I'm sad.
      Quote: Magadan
      The orange guys didn't threaten us with anything
      This is what Medvedev thinks. I hope Putin is smarter.
  23. +2
    9 June 2012 19: 25
    And yet: did the author notice or not that the law was not about protest rallies, but about violations of law and order during mass events?
    Was it possible to come to an agreement with the "SRs" if they stood in a pose, began to throw stupid amendments and vote against them?
    1. +2
      10 June 2012 00: 13
      Kite, that's right: it is about violations of law and order during the conduct. But we live in Russia and we know perfectly well the price of our cop. They will be ordered and they will instantly organize a "violation", even at a meeting of flower growers or cat lovers. They are paid money (and given apartments, recently!). Yes for an apartment in Moscow !!!! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      1. evgen2124
        +2
        10 June 2012 01: 45
        correctly sent a warrant officer to secure a rally! he looked something boring you need to earn yourself an apartment! picking a piece of asphalt ran for the crowd and threw it ran back caught his head and went to write himself another warrant for the apartment! such corruption in riot police!
      2. 0
        12 June 2012 22: 01
        Well, as you like. For violation at the rally, they can also convict under the Criminal Code, if you do not want to under the Code of Administrative Offenses. They do not have to come up with, eccentrics (b) are always enough everywhere.
  24. +1
    9 June 2012 22: 36
    Very similar to another liberal howl.
  25. makarich26
    +4
    9 June 2012 22: 45
    [quote = esaul] as in the whole civilized world - with water cannons, light-noise, tear and a dubin on the ridge [/ quote
    You are our Kremlin troll, we have democracy in Russia, and water cannons are not civilized methods.
    1. evgen2124
      0
      10 June 2012 01: 47
      You are our Kremlin troll, we have democracy in Russia, and water cannons are not civilized methods. but used in civilized countries against the champions of "democracy and equality"
  26. +6
    10 June 2012 06: 30
    Quote: arnulla
    Why did the forecasts of opinion polls before the election (both pro-government and frankly anti-power) give such a alignment, which ultimately came out?

    As far as I remember, polls showed 25% of votes for Edro. Okay, this is no longer important, there were enough violations and the evidence of lawlessness at the polling stations is more than obvious, they were simply brushed aside. There were also "carousels" and stuffing, which is not surprising - according to the results of the elections, the work of local authorities was assessed. Immediately after the elections to the State Duma, Putin arrived in Magadan, they say he gritted the governor for the fact that Edro received few votes here.
    Okay, we drove with the Duma. Like it or not, they got their way, now you won’t go to the streets, and officially no one will authorize rallies. Unless somewhere in the city. Those. as I say, they will release the pedophile’s cops (as they themselves are) - people can be rallied somewhere in the wasteland, but not before the police. Otherwise, who will pay 30 thousand fines?
    Corrupt officials protect themselves in every possible way, they are afraid of the people, they feel in their hearts that they will still have to answer someday. This fear devours, so they are spinning like the devil in a frying pan, trying to quickly forget the country and, either become "masters over the dumb slaves" themselves, or surrender the country to foreign masters.
    Look for yourself - the next will be the law on juvenile justice, because nothing is so scary as the right of bureaucrats to come to your home and take your child from you, of course, proceeding from "exclusive care of him" (like a belt was given or the house is dirty or you force to teach instead of a disco). And what else is sweeter to a corrupt official than mere human fear? They already have the money, it remains only to get power over millions of intimidated slaves. Perverts from the "elites" have always had such desires, only before the majority of the elite were children of worthy parents who honor the honor of their surnames, but now can you say the same about the sons and daughters of the current officials and oligarchs?
    Their next move is to restrict mass access to education. Because I do not argue, you can shove a fool into the institute, if you have money, but that's the problem. the same fool will then have to compete with normal guys who received the same education. And these thieving bureaucrats have no illusions about their children. What can come of theirs stoned, always hanging out in clubs and the life of their offspring who have not sniffed? Which ones are "competitors" to the children of normal people? So they will, as in the same Latin America of the 70s, build a third world country in our country, so that only 3-2% of the population has the potential for growth. Note that this model suits the States very well, because a bunch of stupid "oligarchs" are very easy to manage (compromising evidence, for example).
    So guys, it's better to drop the illusions. Edro - a batch of those snickering and not very smart and (personally, I just know many many) bureaucrats. Sly, vile - yes. There are no smart ones. Otherwise, why is a country with 40% of world resources, with a competent population and strong science, with developed heavy industry (including the construction of nuclear reactors) still treading water in one place simply devouring oil and in general everything that our ancestors once produced?
    1. kuzmich
      -1
      10 June 2012 14: 24
      I left Magadan 5 years ago. It's nice to see a good banner smile
    2. Yarbay
      0
      10 June 2012 14: 30
      hmm .... sad prospect !!
    3. -1
      10 June 2012 14: 59
      Your memory is bad ... Or I remember here, I don't remember here? Selectively, so to speak?))) Polls showed exactly the way I wrote. Raise the archives, if not laziness. Somewhere about a month after the Duma elections on the ear of the matzo in the comments there was a link to the site "golos", which is openly anti-Putin and frankly grandososovsky. I hope you do not dispute? So, on the "voice" they scraped together somewhere around 380-390 facts of various violations, falsifications and other cases, which at least somehow you can cling to. Then the number there also grew to over four hundred. Moreover, the facts there are not necessarily in favor of Edra, although I suppose that the majority is still in their favor ... So how much will this be as a percentage of the total number of polling stations throughout Russia? ...
    4. -1
      10 June 2012 15: 24
      By the way, here's to you from a later and fresh one, about the elections, http: //vvv-ig.livejournal.com/205398.html.
  27. 0
    10 June 2012 13: 32
    Quote: Magadan
    Corrupt officials protect themselves in every possible way, they are afraid of the people, they feel in their hearts that they will still have to answer someday. This fear devours, so they are spinning like the devil in a frying pan, trying to quickly forget the country and, either become "masters over the dumb slaves" themselves, or surrender the country to foreign masters.


    Sorry, of course, but you went too far. They are not afraid of anyone except the stronger and more powerful. "They were scared of the people"))) If necessary, they will dump over the hill and then you will not get them from there.

    Quote: Magadan
    their next move is to restrict mass access to education. Because I do not argue, you can shove a fool into the institute, if you have money, but that's the problem. the same fool will then have to compete with normal guys who have received the same education. And these thieving bureaucrats have no illusions about their children. What can come of theirs stoned, always hanging out in clubs and the lives of their offspring who have not sniffed? Which ones are "competitors" to the children of normal people? So they will, as in the same Latin America of the 70s, build a third world country in our country, so that only 3-2% of the population has the potential for growth. Note that this model suits the States very well, because a bunch of stupid "oligarchs" are very easy to manage (compromising evidence, for example).


    Do we compete with them? I was surprised)) They will take their place thanks to the connections. They are already in the system.

    Quote: Magadan
    So guys, it's better to drop the illusions. Edro - a batch of those snickering and not very smart and (personally, I just know many many) bureaucrats. Sly, vile - yes. There are no smart ones. Otherwise, why is a country with 40% of world resources, with a competent population and strong science, with developed heavy industry (including the construction of nuclear reactors) still treading water in one place simply devouring oil and in general everything that our ancestors once produced?


    And nobody builds illusions. Exactly the same personalities are present in any party. Show me a man in our government who didn't steal. Show me at least one in our "elite" who earned everything by honest labor. Is this Navalny-Analny and Nemtsov clean, white and fluffy ?! Are they going out of their way for Russia ?! NO! They are trying for themselves! And the people for them are a bargaining chip, cannon fodder, if you like. And I don't want to be cannon fodder for their welfare.
  28. black cat
    +1
    10 June 2012 19: 07
    Quote: esaul
    So it is not necessary for parties of beer lovers or fans to cross the line of reason

    It would not hurt to sting at some media outlets that present this topic in such a way that, supposedly, the marsh shelupony puts the conditions of power. All this riffraff is yapping while she really (like in the whole civilized world - with water cannons, light-noise, tear and a cudgel along the ridge) did not touch ...

    Dear Putin Poodle. You would first read the constitution, and then you started your barking.
    Article 28
    Everyone is guaranteed freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, including the right to individually or jointly with others profess any religion or not to profess any, freely choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them.
    You must have forgotten how to forget the dog’s food that Putin feeds you and lost your memory.
    1. CC-18a
      0
      11 June 2012 00: 16
      I'll name you for example шby anyone ... judging by your statement, I have the right to do so under Article 28, freedom of speech.

      Although I’m sure that with your insignificant horizons and receptivity of the truth, you will never understand what the current said above about me.

      Forgive me admins are just such utter nonsense at gatto nero.
  29. Yndyrchi
    +3
    10 June 2012 23: 10
    Oh, that’s how friendly medveputsy began to “approve” the next anti-constitutional law to sing: “Nothing, they say, the rich will pay,” they say.

    If you think about it, why would Putin push such a law even in winter - after the December marsh, which was organized by the liberals? And why, even after March 4, no one stuttered such a law?

    In fact, everything is very simple: during the crisis, the internal struggle in the kleptocratic class between the silovigarchs and the liberoid oligarchs intensified (in fact, according to the ideology and actions, the others are comprador bourgeois, liberals and Russophobes).

    When, in December 2011 and March 2012, people who felt in the actions of this government threatened their very poorly acceptable standard of living took to this streets, their rally was deliberately allowed and saddled by the liberoid wing of power through written “oppositionists” like Nemtsov, Kudrin, Sobchak and etc. The goal was to prevent the silovigarchs from moving the liberoids much and obtain concessions from him, which happened.
    It would not have been possible to fine the protesters of that time: the liberoids needed them to put pressure on the silovigarchs. After the “election,” their goals were achieved, and they no longer needed street protests. The two clans agreed, their political scientists immediately began to speculate that there would be no more rallies, that everyone would calm down and everything would be as before.

    But it was not there! An incident happened: on May 1 a march of leftist forces passed and it turned out that there were unexpectedly a lot of people without liberals. The slogans there were such that the liberals immediately howled and started yelling in every way, as if stung by the tail (see publications by Podrabinek, Milov, Novodvorskaya on grani.ru). They began to praise Putin as much less evil than these “damned reds”.
    The march on May 6 was already exclusively under the red flags under the leadership of the Left Front, together with other leftists, the nationalists closed the procession. of the liberoids, only Navalny was actually noticed, and he, too, was forced to stomp under the red flag. Further more - the protest began to grow in the province.

    Of course, liberoids, as Podrabinek and Novodvorskaya correctly noted, didn’t need anything at all for some left-wing Stalinists to come to power - to revise the results of extortionate seizure, seize everything stolen, return the rights to the people, and send all liberals to camps.
    And now they introduce these same fines. Notice that the amount of fines was reduced, but only so that the rallies were held only under the hastily restored control of liberoids (it’s not at all a fact that now it will work out): they really can pay themselves three hundred thousand, while left movements and nationalists do not have such amounts.

    Only one way out of this is seen - the organizers of the left rallies must make sure that there is no property on them and there is nothing to recover from them.
    --------------------------------------------------
    PS: according to the new law, instead of a fine of 300 thousand rubles, 200 hours of community service can be awarded - a janitor or a road worker. With an 8-hour working day, this will be 25 days - almost one month of work. Interesting - for what reasons is this proportion? Where in the Russian Federation do janitors and road workers get 300 thousand rubles a month for work?
  30. CC-18a
    -1
    11 June 2012 00: 48
    Oppa oppa oppa. Important and relevant!
    http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/70171/
    Germany recognized the presence of a paramilitary cyber unit
    10.06.12 12:18



    For the first time in an officially published report, the German armed forces recognized the existence of a cyber unit in the country responsible for conducting attacks on the global network. The German cyber division, according to the report, reports to the Ministry of Defense. The report said that the Computer Network Operations division is located in Bonn and has existed since 2006. Now the military has recognized that it works under their control.
    "The initial capacity for working in the networks of a potential adversary has been reached," the German news agency DPA quotes. According to him, the unit is currently working on conducting cyber attacks in several test centers.


    Although the statement about the presence of a militarized cyber division is not out of the ordinary, a clear declaration of the possibilities for an attack is an atypical step for the official agency, in addition, German experts say that this fact can spoil the country's image and provoke unnecessary suspicions about Germany . In addition, German politicians disagree on whether cyber-subdivision workers have the constitutional right to launch cyber attacks in the direction of third countries and how exactly will this be assessed?
    Experts also note that the essence of cyber attack tools is such that under certain circumstances they can be used against the initiators of the attack, as well as the country from which the attack was launched. Such a precedent, as antivirus companies say, has already been in the US with the Stuxnet code.


    Finally, it is not clear how the German society will react to the presence of such a unit, which had earlier declared its categorical protest against the so-called "Bundes Trojans" - malicious codes controlled by the police to remotely search the computers of potential criminals.


    And I'm fucking wondering why so propin * boards and so many hamsters are piled with German IPish strips ... that's the reason. Earlier, when in the United States such a unit was created by a cloud of trolls with pin * oskie aypishkami climbed into the Runet with their "truth", now the German contingent has earned. angry
    (Naturally, the main task of such units is the troll attack, dozens and hundreds of employees are not needed for cyber attacks)
    1. CC-18a
      0
      11 June 2012 02: 05
      Ahaha.
      In continuation of the topic I will add funny news)))

      After the interception of the UAV by the Iranian EWs, the United States (CIA) ... the Pentagon made conclusions.

      Now... Linux will be used to control U.S. Navy drones, and decided to abandon Windows laughing Who is in the know about topics that will understand the joke)
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/121372-linux-budet-ispolzovan-dlya-uprav


      leniya-bespilotnikami-vms-ssha.html
      The U.S. Navy has contracted with Raytheon to develop software for tactical control of vertical take-off and landing unmanned aerial vehicles. It is noteworthy that the contract states that the system being developed should be based on Linux. The amount of the contract for the development of the system is $ 27.9 million. The work is scheduled for completion in February 2014. It is reported that the US Navy's requirement to use Linux was put forward in order to achieve higher security after last year's malware penetration incident into the infrastructure of the Windows-based unmanned vehicle control system implemented in the US Air Force. The U.S. Department of Defense policy on compliance with the GPL is also explained. A special document has been published governing the use of open source in military projects. In particular, the possibility of combining GPL-licensed code and closed / secret code in one product is explained, provided that this product will be used only for the internal purposes of the department and will not go outside. Nevertheless, it is noted that development for internal use only requires a special approach from contractors related to the need to ensure that copyright and other rights to the results of using the code are preserved. For projects published for wide access, such a combination is unacceptable and therefore the requirement remains to fully open the source code of products that use the GPL code.
  31. vladimir64ss
    0
    11 June 2012 01: 29
    The western column does not stint epithets. Well, okay. And so everything is visible.
  32. -1
    11 June 2012 09: 40
    I read the comments. It became disgusting. The government is neither good nor bad, it reacts with the aim of suppressing offenses or crimes. To resolve the issue of "juvenile" or "pedophiles". I will say this we need to protect the life and health of our loved ones in all available ways, which cannot be done at rallies, there are other means for this.
  33. +1
    11 June 2012 19: 34
    I have news on TV now. From the championship.
    So our (what are they our tries ...?!) Oppositionists voiced their attitude to the victories of the Russian team. This is a type of victory for the Putin regime and therefore it’s not good to eat! Bu cheer 12 for Poland!
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    ...................................!!!
    once again
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    1. CC-18a
      +1
      22 June 2012 16: 24
      Yes, our opposition is ANTI RUSSIAN POSITION, and all who are for the opposition type belolentochnye and swamp are enemies of the people and the country! they must shoot their current as the USSR did.

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