The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to modernize the Be-12 amphibious aircraft fleet.

The Russian Defense Ministry decided to upgrade the Be-12 amphibious Chaika this year. It is reported by the press service of the Russian military.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, during the modernization of the aircraft will receive a fundamentally new search and targeting system and modern weapons. On the Be-12, all three complexes for obtaining intelligence information about enemy submarines will be radically updated: sonar, radar and magnetically sensitive. In addition, the arsenal of amphibians will replenish with modern anti-submarine torpedoes and depth bombs.

The decision to upgrade the remaining Be-12 “Chaika” fleet was made at the beginning of 2018, at the same time the tactical-technical task and the package of documents needed to start the research and development work on the modernization of anti-submarine aircraft were formed.

Be-12 "Seagull" (according to the NATO codification of Mail) - anti-submarine amphibious aircraft (flying boat). The first flight of this machine took place in 1960, and since 1963 she began to enter service aviation Soviet naval fleet. From 1960 to 1973, 143 Be-12s were launched. To date, the last six vehicles are part of the 318th Air Regiment of the Black Sea Fleet. In addition, about 10 more amphibious aircraft are stored at the Taganrog aircraft factory and Ostrov airport.

Overall dimensions: aircraft length - 30,1 m, height - 7,4 m, wing span - 30,2 m, wing area - 99 square. m
The power plant - 2TVTV AI-20D power 5180 hp each.
Empty weight - 24 000 kg.
Take-off weight - 36 000 kg.
The mass of fuel - 9 000 kg.
Weight of combat load - 3000 kg.
The maximum flight speed is 550 km / h.
Patrol speed - 320 km / h.
Seaworthiness - 3 points.
The maximum flight range is 4000 km.
Tactical range - 600-650 km (when located in the 3 area of ​​an hour).
Practical ceiling - 12 100 m.
Crew - 4 person.

Comments

[Rushnairfors]

Interestingly, on the basis of il112 is the PLO aircraft being developed or not?

[bulvas]

It seems that Turkey was going to create a base of the Navy in the Black Sea ...

There are still violent neighbors, and Georgia is not clear where.

Romania wants to develop NATO base

You have to keep track of everyone, and just be prepared

[Wedmak]

You have to keep track of everyone, and just be prepared

Speed ​​up work on the IL-114 and A-40? I do not understand. I don’t understand about these. IL-38 I understand, there are a lot of them, they are modernizing them slowly. What do we get by upgrading these 6 planes that need to fly to museums? Which exhaust?

[bulvas]

Quote: Wedmak

What do we get by upgrading these 6 planes that need to fly to museums? Which exhaust?

You would understand (and we all) if you knew the big picture

Therefore, just read and shake on a mustache

[Wedmak]

if you knew the big picture

I don’t know ... I hope the logic doesn’t fall out of the general picture that the Moscow Region knows.

[StudentVK]

I personally admit that WE may not know some things with you. And as for the permissibility of modernization, why not? Their radius for work in the Black Sea basin seems to be enough!? On other fleets, including the Pacific, it is necessary to have a sufficient number of modern anti-submarine aircraft. Unfortunately, we have very few of them. We hope for a quick rearmament)))))

[igorka357]

There is nothing to understand here, the plane is 60 years old ... that’s it. Everything is said to be, at least upgrade it, even call it a su-57, it is 60 years old anyway !!!

[DenZ]

Quote: igorka357

There is nothing to understand here, the plane is 60 years old ... that’s it. Everything is said to be, at least upgrade it, even call it a su-57, it is 60 years old anyway !!!

the key in all this is that it is the "plane" that is 60 years old and that they want to equip it with new equipment. Those. the Ministry of Defense is satisfied with the fact that he can take to the air and solve problems. They (the Ministry of Defense) need modernization right now! Otherwise, it is difficult to explain such a rush.

[Grits]

Quote: DenZ

They need modernization (the Ministry of Defense) right now! Otherwise, it is difficult to explain such a rush.

It's very simple - anti-submarine aircraft are sorely lacking. And new ones are not visible even in the short term. This is called "Without fish - and fish for cancer". In principle, there is nothing wrong with the fact that these still flying aircraft will be equipped with new equipment. At least 16 amphibians will patrol the Black Sea. I don't know if there are IL-38s on the Black Sea, then after modernization of the Be-12 they can be released for other fleets. On which there is also practically no anti-submarine aviation left. You can, of course, send them to museums. But what will you replace? There is only one conclusion - we have no money, no resources, no brains, no desire for new aircraft.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Gritsa

I don’t know if there are IL-38 in the Black Sea, then after the modernization of the Be-12 they can be released for other fleets

I don’t think that even the very modernized Be-12 will be able to replace the Il-38 (and similar machines) - well, they are very different

[Tashkent citizen]

Those. The Ministry of Defense is satisfied that it can take off and solve problems.

This does not suit the Ministry of Defense in any place. Do not la la.
But there is no money for the A-40 or Be-200 or something else. Well, no money, that's all.
If there is money, there will be airplanes. No money - no planes. Everything is very simple.
And you don’t need 60 years old to sing praises.
The Americans (bad) have such a C-130 Hercules. He is also 60 years old already. BUT.
They have upgraded it more than once and still produce it. Because with financing they are all right.

[Vadivak]

Quote: igorka357

There is nothing to understand here, the plane is 60 years old ... that’s it. Everything is said to be, at least upgrade it, even call it a su-57, it is 60 years old anyway !!!

If the car is successful, then .......
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First flight November 25, 1959
Start of operation 1962
Status in use
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Units produced by Lockheed - 650
Kawasaki - 107
Total - 757

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First flight October 21, 1961
Status in service
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[StudentVK]

It seems to me that you are slightly wrong. At least 200 years old, but also the most Poseidons, etc. when did they begin to enter their arsenal? About the strategists that they have what we say nothing. They are ahead of us in terms of number of pieces regarding anti-submarine aircraft, and the active modernization of all kinds of equipment on them began to take place even when we continued to peel at the gums and Kozyrev was Minister of Foreign Affairs. So it is necessary in a good sense to catch up and overtake.

[Klingon]

In appearance, it is almost no different from the Be-6, except for a muzzle with a radar nose and the absence of turrets ..

[irbis0373]

Quote: igorka357

There is nothing to understand here, the plane is 60 years old ... that’s it. Everything is said to be, at least upgrade it, even call it a su-57, it is 60 years old anyway !!!

And how old is the Tu-95? In what year did Tupolev's car take off?

[Wedmak]

You do not compare the strategist, intended for long patrols, with the appropriate resource, and a marine, in fact, a reconnaissance officer who is at sea, with frequent take-offs / landings, etc.

[irbis0373]

Quote: Wedmak

You do not compare the strategist, intended for long patrols, with the corresponding resource and the marine, in fact, a scout,

so I do not compare the Be-12 and Tu-95 as the machine for the purpose, but I say that both machines were created for a long time and at the same time Tupolev flies and modernizes. So why not upgrade the Be-12, the car, although old, will still show itself, especially since there isn’t anything similar new in Russia at the moment, alas.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: bulvas

You would understand (and we all) if you knew the big picture

The fact of the matter is that the overall picture is not very. The planes have already worked out the second designated resource, and they are for modernization. They shouldn’t be worth talking about seaworthiness. In general, remove the line in the performance characteristics of seaworthiness, for a long time how landing on water and take-offs in a planned manner have not been practiced. For new systems, there is also a very big question. If since the modernization of the Ka-27 to Ka-27m, then this can only cause a nervous laugh.
The announcement of the modernization of the Be-12 only emphasizes how shitty the MO and the Navy Civil Code are to the MA, and how much the counters are off scale in the aircraft building corporation.

[New Year day]

Quote: Wedmak

What do we get by upgrading these 6 aircraft, which is time to fly to museums?

see the lack of aircraft, and therefore they are going to upgrade the Be-12.
My father-in-law flew them, was not very benevolent to this plane

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Restoration of the Be-12 "Seagull" anti-submarine amphibious aircraft

[New Year day]

in Evpatoria there is an aviation city, and there these aircraft were repaired. I’m not sure how the aircraft factory is doing now, but there were a lot of these planes under the Union

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Evpatoria ARZ is engaged in overhaul of the BE-12 Black Sea Fleet. Donors at the plant:

[New Year day]

these could not fly away. How about donation, I don’t know. As far as I remember, I almost never saw a Be-12 with such a flag in flight. We saw ours in Kache, about a dozen, but for a long time. 6 left now

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Ukrainians left 1 Be-12 inoperative in Yevpatoriya. 2 Be-12, which was planned to be moved by airspace, remained in Saki. And without them there are enough donors.

[New Year day]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

stayed in Saki.

only one of them is flying. Snapshot 2015 ..

Now, probably already ...

[mintai_kot]

There are a lot of things in Ukraine: whose brains are inaudible, which missiles do not fly. planes that rot, factories that cut into metal, everything is there! And caramels with pluses!

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Silvestr

6 left now

a bit more.

[Tusv]

Quote: Silvest

benevolent to this plane

Sylvester, get out. I am not a cautious reserve Jewer for a European life form
And so. I am White and fluffy. In reserve

[New Year day]

Quote: Tusv

Sylvester, get out. I am not a cautious reserve Jewer for a European life form

as he said that in the regiment 2 crews crashed. Generally not praised

[Tusv]

Quote: Silvestr

as he said that in the regiment 2 crew crashed

In air defense, then Sickle for eggs. These are Our Lives that have not been saved

[Vadivak]

Quote: Silvestr

was not very benevolent to this plane

He also heard it, and rarely anyone flew from the water, they flow. water taxiing is as limited as possible - he sat down - took off, or taxied to land. the navigator has a folding anchor, signal flags and a megaphone (not a mobile operator)

[StudentVK]

Well, everyone has their own complaints about him) And I heard about him and a lot of good reviews) It all depends on the year of release and timely maintenance. At my doshihpor dacha a small yakarek hangs with the same, but already written off seagull)))

[Blackbeard]

maybe they think so cheaper and faster you can close this issue.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In the Black Sea, besides us, only Turkey has a submarine - DEPL Atylay of the first series, produced at the end of the 70-x-80x. More modern Gyur and Preveze seem to be on the Mediterranean Sea. To identify and destroy these Atylaev existing PLO forces, a few dozen Ka-27PL and several Be-12 helicopters, together with small anti-submarine ships and several modern KChF diesel-electric submarines, are enough. The Be-12 is the most charismatic of the surviving aircraft, also with an anchor.

[Sergey-8848]

Nothing. Mino loves the Be-200. He was told that there are still other and different Be. We’ll restore them, and then we will write them off. Business then.

[Berkut154]

A-40 and Be-12 different planes for tasks! A seaplane is a fairly complex device used in two environments. Even the Be-200 is difficult to transform into the tasks of the Be-12, as it turned out recently. So each aircraft has its own indispensable niche.

[Klingon]

Maybe it was worth sawing an ekranoplan for this task? Fuel economy ... There was a good reserve, with them, however, for other tasks ... although I am not special, screens for this task as an anti-submarine device are not suitable, maybe a submarine can hear noises from them, because they glide low on water

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Berkut154

A-40 and Be-12 different planes for tasks

I wonder what kind of tasks? As far as I know, the Be-12 and A-40 are anti-submarine aircraft, and therefore their tasks are anti-submarine.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Wedmak

What do we get by upgrading these 6 planes that need to fly to museums? Which exhaust?

You are some kind of strange, "the first day you are married or something" ... Neither you nor the Navy will get anything, only exhaust, those who will "modernize" on the easy "cut down the dough" ... amid joyful cries of cheers patriots about the revival of the Aviation of the Russian Navy .... Cheap and cheerful.
They probably only stayed at KChF ...

[kenig1]

You do not see the difference between an amphibious aircraft and an amphibious aircraft?

[irbis0373]

Quote: Wedmak

You have to keep track of everyone, and just be prepared

Speed ​​up work on the IL-114 and A-40? I do not understand. I don’t understand about these. IL-38 I understand, there are a lot of them, they are modernizing them slowly. What do we get by upgrading these 6 planes that need to fly to museums? Which exhaust?

And does someone know the resource of these machines remaining in operation and subject to modernization?
The fact that the bird is wonderful, then there are no words. The question is different - does she have an alternative today?

[self-propelled]

Quote: Wedmak

What do we get by upgrading these 6 planes that need to fly to museums? Which exhaust?

We’ll slightly load aircraft repair plants ...
although, it’s high time to build an analogue of Be-12, but only at a different level (using new engines, avionics ... )
it’s impossible to use the modernization potential of IL-38 for an infinitely long time. is necessary create new cars. IL-114 in "civilian" is not really used, and also shove them into the army ..? I am silent for the A-40 - the once promising and unparalleled (without sarcasm and ridicule) machine in current conditions requires comprehensive modernization. and, again, the A-40 is a highly specialized machine, and one should hardly expect world recognition and large contracts

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bulvas

It seems that Turkey was going to create a base of the Navy in the Black Sea ...

Yes, they and before that there were 8 of them ....

Prior to that, in the Black Sea region, Turkey had eight - in Gölçuk, Aksaz, Foggia, Eregli, Mersin, Iskenderun, Canakkale and Istanbul.

http://anna-news.info/turtsiya-postroit-novye-voenno-morskie-bazy-v-chernom-i-sredizemnom-moryah/
And we have only two ...

[bulvas]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: bulvas

It seems that Turkey was going to create a base of the Navy in the Black Sea ...

Yes, they and before that there were 8 of them ....

Prior to that, in the Black Sea region, Turkey had eight - in Gölçuk, Aksaz, Foggia, Eregli, Mersin, Iskenderun, Canakkale and Istanbul.

http://anna-news.info/turtsiya-postroit-novye-voenno-morskie-bazy-v-chernom-i-sredizemnom-moryah/
And we have only two ...

Does this all somehow contradict the fact that we need more patrol aircraft at this theater?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bulvas

Does this all somehow contradict the fact that we need more patrol aircraft at this theater?

Probably not at this theater, the isolation of the Black Sea, radar tracking of surface (underwater) conditions on the coast, restrictions for enemy ships (submarines) are defined by the Montreux Convention ...
Airplanes (helicopters) PLOs are very necessary for other fleets of the Russian Federation, especially KSF and KTOF .... (airfields for aircraft of the base anti-submarine aviation of the Russian Navy in the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, Vietnamese Kamran and North Korean Chongjin) would improve the data on the operational situation at sea in the Asia-Pacific region. ...

[rayruav]

Rusav in our projects and portfolios in the languages ​​of chiefs of different ranks there are so many model airplanes that every Russian has a plane

[svp67]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Interestingly, on the basis of il112 is the PLO aircraft being developed or not?

Not. Rather, it will appear on the basis of IL-114

[Tusv]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Interestingly, on the basis of il112 is the PLO aircraft being developed or not?

E Brother. When Trump promised to drive 2 AUGs to the shores of Korea, that is to ours. The Japanese stamped the notes of protest. But should this concern us? We were very much stirred - 3 regiment of aviation from West to East, how to reset 2 bits. For the safe distance of the heap within the destruction is further away from Our Wrath
In General, we are not a fig from the USSR We are different

[Vlad.by]

Should they be different? Not in composition, in defensive reaction ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Vlad.by

Should they be different? Not in composition, in defensive reaction ..

There was a case, aposle Priekule. Magic! Until the Division has withdrawn from the database. Chest for inspection and blather differently. A whirlwind rushed through the chest

[NKT]

On the basis of the IL-112, they plan to replace the IL-38, and the Tu-214P - the replacement of the IL-20.

[Sergei1982]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Interestingly, on the basis of il112 is the PLO aircraft being developed or not?

Development is on the basis of IL-114, there is even an IL-114LL laboratory, the aircraft hangs in the air for 14 hours.

[parusnik]

and from 1963 she began to enter the arsenal of the aircraft of the Soviet Navy

.... Yeah, 55 years in service ....

[rayruav]

sailboat read the air collection from the model designer, not a very successful machine to say the least

[parusnik]

You know, I read ... successful, not successful, but 55 years in service ... this is the period ... But the most veteran veteran is the AN-2 is still in operation ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: parusnik

.Yes 55 years in service ....

And TU-95 is in service and is being modernized. As for the Seagull ... so if there is a good proven foundation, why not use it with modern equipment? And in fact, we will have a new seaplane, only with the old glider.

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

And TU-95 is in service and is being modernized. What to seagull

Atu is a team of purebred dogs in Do Revolutionary Russia. On the Wolf? You can’t sell an elephant with such a mood

[Sergej1972]

They mainly serve the TU-95 MS, built in the 80-90s.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: NEXUS

As for the Seagull ... so if there is a good proven foundation, why not use it,

I can not judge the Tu-95, but I know a lot about Beshka. Now, if it had been voiced when a decision was made to extend the assigned resource, it would be understandable. But now when the second assigned resource is already coming out, it’s already ridiculous. And on the plane, a very high failure rate per flight hour, and they have the smallest raid. At the Black Sea Fleet, the Beshki overlap the incident plan.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Letun_64

Beshki overlap the incident plan.

I think I’m even sure that the return of the Seagulls to the system is forced. We don’t have enough PLO aircraft in our country ...

[Flyer_64]

For 33 years he served in MA, survived the complete collapse of MA, I thought now a new wave will go, the boys are lucky. But a scribe of some kind, they are building up tactical aviation, and they are reviving the classic for the Navy submarines. Although in the early 90s there were projects Mi-38pl, BT, PS, Ka-27m, A-40. And as they say, things are still there.

[hly]

God forbid, the old people still have a resource.

[Stoler]

Reminds of the movie "Rise of the Dead - Zombie Apocalypse". This is what trash heaps will be looking for them to "modernize" ??? Is it really not all rotted out during the reform ???

[rayruav]

stoler, people write appreciate not rummaging around

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Stoler

Is it not all rotten during the reform ???

Not rotted yet. They knew how to build in the Union. And only one squadron will be upgraded.

[lopvlad]

to carry out this year the modernization of anti-submarine amphibious aircraft Be-12 "Chaika"

if the state of the "hardware" of the aircraft allows, then why not carry out modernization. And in general, it is advisable to watch more often which of what is in storage and conservation can be modernized and used to increase the country's defense capability.

[TRex]

I myself am not an aviator, but I heard a lot of negative things about these cars, incl. and on this site ... capricious and difficult to manage and operate, voracious motors with a small resource, etc. etc. I would like to hear the opinion of professionals about the advisability of restoring these flying rarities. Is it advisable to invest in these machines, if in the end you can’t even get a shelf?

[Vladimir 5]

Some strange decisions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on modernization over old military equipment. If the state really didn’t have enough money, because hundreds of billions of dollars work for a potential adversary, and some parades from the dead are arranged with dusting ... After all, an airplane designed in 1960 in all respects does not fit into 21 century, as if who and what did not say ... In the old days, conversation would only go on pests ...

[glasha3032]

But it’s interesting, by what parameters does this plane not fit into the 21st century? Not supersonic? So his speed is only to the detriment ... Does it fly so high? Anchor in a locker? Turboprop engines? For the Be-12, the military had complaints mainly about the quality of the search equipment, its low channelity, etc. And the fact that the conditions are uncomfortable - well, so the military should overcome the difficulties of service ....

[Vladimir 5]

Glasha. So you don't even understand what it is about. You need to start listing from the TTZ, then on design, start with materials science, then everything on the level of 1960 - on engines, control, avionics, etc. Approximately how to upgrade from a Moskvich 403 car into a car with the requirements of 2018 - yes, it's a mistake to build a new one, the same with the Be-12. After all, this is military equipment, and all the requirements must be of today with the prospect of modernization. .. Why are they modernizing Moskvich-403, it's a mystery to me, or are they going to steal outrageously and shove any bullshit, or the fifth column is working, not otherwise ...

[glasha3032]

However, you wave your hats, welcoming the modernization of the Tu-95 MS, which is even older in design and material science than the Be-12! On Tu, even the previous generation autopilot than the Be-12! And there is no mystery in modernization - there are cases and engines with a large residual resource, and why not use them? What is the platform for new (and it will be precisely them) search and aiming systems based on the specialized Be-12 that is worse than the platform of the non-specialized Il-114? Or A-40, which will bring to the desired level will take decades? Conducted a similar upgrade with the IL-38, and why not carry out with his peer Be-12?

[Vladimir 5]

Strange things in our Danish kingdom. When all the efforts to switch to UAVs, including in the anti-submarine version, we have from the archives, brushing off half a century of dust, they represent deserved grandfathers as new solutions to problems ... This trend leads to the level of the AF of Africa and Oceania, they also like to modernize everything that they have is similar in age to the Be-12, but they are in extreme poverty, and we, the first in the world to sell oil, are equated with them, but why? ...

[glasha3032]

Oh. Yes to the UAV we still have so long .... And the Be-12 is at hand!

[Vladimir 5]

Glasha. The problem, I think, is another, in that protracted state of the defeat of the entire military-industrial complex and industry of the Russian Federation, therefore, for decades, neither MS-21, nor PAK, FA PAK DA, nor Armatu, S-500, etc. bring even to the serial level, not to mention the serial production. That is why such impotent attempts with "modernizations of out-of-the-box old stuff ... The problem is powerlessness, only a few strategic directions (nuclear submarine, air defense,), having collected all their efforts, support, at the minimum, but not for the rest, especially with such" successful managers ", like Rogozin and others like them ... The problem is economic impotence, and this is already the fault of the eternal and eternally failed government of the Russian Federation, and mainly its personnel problem.The state's budget is surplus, hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign stores, and the country's defense capacity is not satisfactory, that's all weapons programs failed. It's time to shout - treason !!!

[glasha3032]

Yes, what kind of economic powerlessness is it when they finally withdrew 100 billion dollars of our money from America! With that money, how much can be done! But we can’t ... We have design impotence, smart minds are not enough! And where should they be when, until very recently, the salary of young graduates of technical universities was 15 thousand ... Those graduates who could get jobs in consultants selling household appliances and electronics and receive 2-3 times more and with less responsibility. ..Lost time, the most valuable resource in any state!

[Vladimir 5]

And who in the state is responsible for the development strategy, not the same government? It ditched the remnants of the economy, but also stabbed the future of the state. In ancient times, they put on a stake for this, but today they, in the same first places, are freely plundering the second decade of state-national good ... And the question of where at least the aforementioned 100 billion from the United States has gone, no one knows, the Russian economy did not enter .. .. Listen to the statements on "Constantinople" Pronko, interesting conversations with invited celebrities of the economy of the Russian Federation, it will be interesting to find out about the facts ... There is only one conclusion, to treat the head until the whole body is dead ...

[Rushnairfors]

Trex is completely inexpedient, both for the reasons you have indicated and because of the number of remaining aircraft — only 6 pieces. The development of a modernization plan will cost more than the modernization itself, plus the time spent on it - I’m sure that they are at least 3-5 years old, they’re breathing right now, and this time will finally prove them, if there’s 12 dead aircraft today, can it only solve the MSS problem? ! But not PLO

[glasha3032]

But what about tanks being upgraded at repair plants? New weapons control systems and new guns are installed in old hulls and towers and nothing, for some reason no one considers this process to be unsuitable! In the country at the moment there is no way to get hold of new cars, but there are hulls and engines with a large resource, again his relatives control systems are easy to maintain and repair - put new sights and search equipment and go!

[glasha3032]

It's strange .. On the IL-18, these engines are ECONOMICAL and with a large resource, and on the Be-12, these engines are ... "gluttonous and with a small resource ..."

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: lopvlad

to carry out this year the modernization of anti-submarine amphibious aircraft Be-12 "Chaika"

if the state of the "hardware" of the aircraft allows, then why not carry out modernization. And in general, it is advisable to watch more often which of what is in storage and conservation can be modernized and used to increase the country's defense capability.

Syria has taught a lot. Disposal lists have been greatly reduced.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Syria has taught a lot.

And Syria and especially the "speed" of design and construction of new equipment. The military understands that the tasks need to be solved now, and it will take years for our industry to build a new one from scratch, not to mention the fact that it will have to knock out a lot of money. 12 is unique because its fuselage is a hybrid of an airplane and a boat. Our army has nothing like this in this class.
As for the Be-200, it is still not in the army. And judging from this information

Russian Ministry of Defense - On April 24, 2013, a contract was signed for the supply of two Be-200ES and four Be-200PS in the total amount of 8,4 billion rubles [17].
On August 23, 2017, the Moscow Arbitration Court granted the Ministry of Defense a lawsuit against TANTK im. G. M. Beriev on the recovery of 6,7 billion rubles and the termination of the state contract for the supply of Be-200. The relevant decision is placed in the file of arbitration cases

vryatli appear based on the fact that for 4 years TANTK them. G. M. Beriev was not able to supply the MO with any military aircraft of this type.

[Radical]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to modernize the Be-12 amphibious aircraft fleet.

Curiously, how many flying specimens is this "park"?

[bayard]

And what is the use of this rarity? Unless as a search and rescue ...
Apparently the IL-114 will not be soon ...

[pv1005]

Quote: bayard

And what is the use of this rarity? Unless as a search and rescue ...
Apparently the IL-114 will not be soon ...

Yes, apparently IL-114 will not soon learn to land in the water.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: pv1005

Quote: bayard

And what is the use of this rarity? Unless as a search and rescue ...
Apparently the IL-114 will not be soon ...

Yes, apparently IL-114 will not soon learn to land in the water.

If he picks the screws over the sea, then he will sit down as cute.

[bayard]

On the basis of the IL-114 they were planning to make submarines. To do this, it is not necessary to land on the water ... But if you really want to ...

Quote: Captain Pushkin

If he picks the screws over the sea, then he will sit down as cute.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bayard

And what is the use of this rarity? Unless as a search and rescue ...

It’s better to convert them into Be-12P firefighters and give them to the Ministry of Emergencies. Fortunately, experience is available.

[bayard]

Water will take a little.
Well, right, what did he discover submarines with? Is it really a magnetometer?

[Piramidon]

Quote: bayard

what does he detect submarines? Is it really a magnetometer?

Remembered. When the first Tu-142s came to the neighboring regiment in 1969 and the crews began to master the technique, they "found" a "submarine" in the lake not far from the airfield.

[bayard]

What about buoys? Did they throw buoys?

[Piramidon]

Quote: bayard

What about buoys? Did they throw buoys?

As they said, they "found" by the magnetometer, without buoys and "Berkut"

[Proton]

They collect everything they can, apparently time is already running out

[ANCIENT]

They have a place in museums, and instead of them it is high time to create another car.

[Wedmak]

Is it worth it to venture this adventure for the sake of 6 aircraft? We need naval aviation, no one argues, but is it better to invest in the A-40? And including this money? Finalize, if necessary, put in a series? Aircraft of the new model and new construction will serve 30 for another years, but this, excuse me, trash?

[NN52]

The article also writes about 10 sides in storage. Why refuse 16 additional charges in MA.
And it seems they have already invested in production

on the basis of IL 114 (at the MiG facilities in Lukhovitsy and Sokol). In the photo one of the options ... What will actually be is unknown. And not in the near future ...
Therefore, IL 38 is also being actively modernized.

[Wedmak]

and about 10 storage boards

In what condition those 10 boards are unknown. This six at least flies.

And not in the near future ...

I say speed up work. If you invested in production - it’s already good. Only now, the efforts will be thrown into the modernization of the 6 old people, instead of, say, the modernization of the 6 Il-s.
If I am not mistaken, the aircraft factories are already loaded decently, almost all. So why stretch the line? This is not a well-established procedure, as with IL-38. These planes need to be surpassed, put somewhere, make equipment, release equipment, debug the work process ... I think you are in the know - this is a whole range of measures. As a result, when everything is debugged, the aircraft at the entrance will end.

[potap6509]

It will not be enough. There is something to replace, Who in the subject?

[Wedmak]

Allegedly, they wanted to resume (not actually begun) the production of the A-40. There was news last year. Winning news has not yet been reported.

[rayruav]

potap, there the silence of the navy reflects the state of aviation of the navy

[svp67]

And how many "Seagulls" do we have left? And how many of them can be upgraded?

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

And how many "Seagulls" do we have left?

It seems to be written in the article

To date, the last six vehicles are part of the 318th Air Regiment of the Black Sea Fleet. In addition, about 10 more amphibious aircraft are stored at the Taganrog aircraft factory and Ostrov airport.

[svp67]

Quote: Piramidon

It seems to be written in the article

That's exactly "like". How much is "about ten"? 6? 7? 8? nine? eleven? 9? And how many of those aircraft are still capable of upgrading? And will these "about two dozen" be enough for our four fleets?

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

And will these "about two dozen" be enough for our four fleets?

Enough for the Black Sea Fleet. For other fleets, besides them, there are also IL-38 and Tu-142.

[svp67]

Quote: Piramidon

In addition to them there is also Il-38 and Tu-142.

Well, these are planes different in capabilities and tasks.

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

Well, these are planes different in capabilities and tasks.

All anti-submarine. One task - the search and destruction of submarines.

[svp67]

Quote: Piramidon

All anti-submarine.

Yeah, that's just the range and equipment they have is excellent.
And for the Black Sea Fleet it would be better if amphibious helicopters were restored and modernized.

[NN52]

At 2015 year, the storage was 31 board. So there is plenty to choose from.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: NN52

At 2015 year, the storage was 31 board. So there is plenty to choose from.

Do they produce spare parts for them? Would you have such a situevina that, for example, for the sake of the 6 boards, manually twist the wiring harnesses, solder the contacts, or look for crumbled condors for replacement? Judging by the appearance, there all the giblets rotted long ago.

[NN52]

Mordvin 3 (Vladimir)
Do you think a complete modernization is somehow different? Do you recognize the plane in the photo?

[Mordvin 3]

MiG like. I mean that it is dreary and expensive to restore trash. For example, aluminum parts (such as generator caps) can completely rot, but is there a replacement? Or will you have to melt new ones? Our factory was engaged in the restoration of auto-trash, bought for a penny in military units, which we just did not get up to, trying to bring the ancient Urals into a divine form. And still, it didn’t work out to the end. Some parts wear out like that, but there are simply no new ones. So I ask, is the game worth the candle for the sake of these unfortunate six sides? I have doubts.

[NN52]

Mordvin 3 (Vladimir)
Yes, MiG 31. And that’s what comes out of the factory ... I also had to do a lot for him again .. (by the way, just in case, all the photos are in the public domain ..)))

And about Be 12. If at least 2 squadrons are made, or even less ... and they, as a MSS, save the life of at least one catapulting pilot on the sea or ocean, then it’s not in vain ... And as for the aircraft as a PLO, I know.

[Mordvin 3]

I’m talking about this. The MiG, as I understand it, was restored at its own factory, and there could be equipment, spare parts, and workers who knew how to use all this and where to put it. 12 was done in my opinion in Ukraine, and they will not give us anything. Again, I will give an example with a car. Our company was imprisoned for overhaul ZiLov, and the Urals - it is still a little different. Therefore, we coped with the overhaul of ZILs normally, but there were problems with the overhaul of the Urals. But our oligarch Antibiotic can’t explain it properly, that’s how they spun as they could, replacing parts with home-made analogues. And it will be doubly disappointing if the Be12 begin to fall due to poor-quality repairs.

[glasha3032]

Be-12 was made in Taganrog, and overhaul there. No problem! Instruments and equipment are still available on special order ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: svp67

And how many "Seagulls" do we have left?

redeem from drug lords

[rayruav]

unfortunately, the helmsman does not have money again in relation to the Navy and, in particular, to naval aviation; these machines really do not like old monsters in the aircraft; comparable in their field with the Tu-16

[irazum]

The plane, of course, is very beautiful, but not for repair plants, but for museums and on pedestals. We have a good, in my opinion, platform-TU-204. And stuff it with hardware like the Amer Poseidon.

[Rzzz]

Tu-204 is a little expensive to drive. It must be cheaper. It is not for nothing that the Americans took the cheap B737 as a basis, but they do not have suitable turboprops. Large pepelats are not needed, modern equipment is very compact. So either IL-114 or IL-112 are good platforms, if they make additional tanks for 10-12 patrol hours.
The "Seagull" has one advantage - it is amphibious. In this regard, there is nothing to replace it. The Be-200 is not an option, also because of the motors.

[irazum]

So what, what amphibian? It cannot work from the open sea in any weather, only from coastal lakes and estuaries. The whole world has already abandoned amphibians, only in China they still remain, in my opinion. And the Americans abandon the R-3 with the theater of operations in favor of the Poseidons. And the Eli will appear, in the required quantity, "when the cancer whistles on the mountain."

[DenZ]

Quote: irazum

So what, what amphibian? It cannot work from the open sea in any weather, only from coastal lakes and estuaries.

Name at least one amphibian that can "work from the open sea in any weather." I'll tell you, there are no such words from the word "in general"

[irazum]

So there is no "show-off" in them. This is the diocese of the Ministry of Emergencies.

[Piramidon]

Quote: rayruav

these cars really dislike in IAS

We used to call them "aerodynamic disgrace". They flew to us from Severomorsk "to catch the night". We, for the sake of curiosity, asked to see these cars from the inside. The coolest thing for us was to see the ANCHOR in the PLANE.

[faiver]

Well, snapped up, but the planes are old, but what about other seaplanes? We cannot build Be-200 more than once a year, there is nothing to say about something else, and a dozen and a half of the Black Sea Fleet is enough, you can even split it in half with the Baltic Sea, and in the north and the Pacific they have nothing to do ...

[exo]

Apparently, things are completely wrong with the carrier. Be-12, an extremely ancient plane. And most importantly, as an anti-submarine, it was extremely weak. It was not for nothing that he was written off to the Russian Navy. Besides the rescue versions. And only with the entry of the Crimea did he reappear.
After all, there is an option to revive the A-40 project, to equip the PD-14.

[northern]

And why did he need unfinished non-serial and expensive PD-14s when it was initially equipped with cheap, proven mass D-30s?

[Cook]

Because to put on junk such junk as D-30, voracious and low-resource, is already simply indecent.

[northern]

PD is much larger for the fan, it is heavier - which will entail a serious alteration of the aircraft. This is time and money. PD itself will definitely be more expensive. No one has even considered a marine modification yet (have they forgotten that Albatross is an amphibian, moreover a marine one?) Is the argument indecent? Ingenious.

[exo]

I thought it was a sinful thing that he was also with D-36. Then it's even easier. There are quite a few of these engines in stock, both KP and KU. Even to China, they still sell. Plus, there is its interesting modification "Burlak"

[northern]

It's clear where it came from, the Be-200 was equipped with Ukrainian D-436 engines. Since the age of 18, its deliveries to the Russian Federation were banned, ours are now working on the remotorization of the Be-200 on the Sam146

[exo]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: rayruav

these cars really dislike in IAS

We used to call them "aerodynamic disgrace". They flew to us from Severomorsk "to catch the night". We, for the sake of curiosity, asked to see these cars from the inside. The coolest thing for us was to see the ANCHOR in the PLANE.

The same feeling after the first visit to this aircraft. Only I was on the Be-12 with the Pacific Fleet.

[rayruav]

in the west, in naval aviation, almost except Japan, they seemed to be from combat vehicles of boats, amphibians I do not think this is right, but I think first of all we need an urgent replacement of IL-38 with a modern car of the Amer Poseidon class

[rayruav]

radar in the nose with an effect on the range of less than visual contact in good weather, touches that the helicopter radar will be put on a sheepskin dressing is not worth the money we really shit

[beeper]

And why, apart from the modification of old machines, in the same "weight category", but on a modern basis, not create an amphibious seaplane of a similar purpose, but with much better performance characteristics ?! And, in order to make the project profitable, immediately provide for a civil, cargo and passenger version, for domestic air transportation and for export - it seems to me that such a machine would be in demand not only in Russia ?!
If I were an oligarch, I would certainly "study this issue" for the purpose of investing my capital in "medium" amphibious seaplanes, and then I would create a joint-stock company, airlines throughout the "developing captain" (you see, I would have reached out to "developed capitalist countries "such as Canada, for example, and I would not have missed Alaska without attention ) - I see a renaissance of hydroaviation, because modern technologies, materials and avionics, satellite navigation ... will allow you to create and successfully operate really light and cargo-lifting aircraft - "all-terrain vehicles" ...
For advertising, I would also organize a transoceanic flight ... well, how many new tourist routes on the islands could be organized, how much currency to earn, why does the Russian State miss such an opportunity ???
Yes, and with the military from "niche countries and dwarf principalities", it would be possible to "work" on the issue of military orders, purchase small-sized anti-submarine torpedoes and a decommissioned submarine, collect potential customers and defiantly "zhakh" from the seaplane an underwater target - after all, the staff military love all spectacular "explosions", "firing", "reviews" and "maneuvers" (well, "to the extreme", so that "the troops" do not go far-the capital "biathlon" all sorts) -they give them an acute "sense of belonging" to the great The matter of protecting the Motherland and the blindness of their boring headquarters "vegetation" among "strategic maps" and "remote controls with buttons" ... I would indulge them with spectacles, feed and drink and sell them my military seaplanes, not only to Indonesians, but even "capricious Indians"!
But this, if the product is really good, and not "bullshit" some kind of "bullshit" pushing "notorious" suckers "is inconsistent and completely uninteresting ...

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

And TU-95 is in service and is being modernized. As for the Seagull ... so if there is a good proven foundation, why not use it with modern equipment? And in fact, we will have a new seaplane, only with the old glider.

Well, those TU-95, which are now in service (MS) are quite new. BE-12 ceased to be released in 1973. That is, the youngest of them is 45 years old.
According to the directories, 5 to 6 of these machines remain search and rescuerather than anti-submarine. Each aircraft has a resource limit. What it is in the BE-12 is unknown. In any case, let the MO decide, although I think it’s not the best option to start upgrading for the sake of 5-6 cars. It’s easier to adapt one of Beriev’s new products, the same BE-200 or another aircraft, to such an anti-submarine aircraft. And the modernization of BE-12 is a palliative solution

[NN52]

Old26 (Vladimir)
What is bad after repair? It will also serve ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Old26

BE-12 ceased to be released in 1973. That is, the youngest of them is 45 years old.
According to the directories, 5 to 6 of these machines remain search and rescuerather than anti-submarine. Each aircraft has a resource limit. What it is in the BE-12 is unknown.

Speak correctly. Therefore, we need the rest .... to give Eun, he himself is better than us and the Russian Defense Ministry knows what to do with them (to drown American nuclear submarines, depth bombs or to hang torpedoes on them against the AUG of the US Navy) ....

And the modernization of BE-12 is a palliative solution

All that you say is ideological sabotage, because for MA, it is necessary to increase the percentage of updated aircraft, otherwise we will never reach 70% of the latest VT and B in the RF Armed Forces, shame on you ....

[Е2 - Е4]

Great plane, one of my favorites. He is very good, he saw him a lot at work ...

[APASUS]

I was hoping for a new car, but still decided to upgrade the Be-12. The thing is certainly necessary, but the car will soon be 60 years old, it has developed all levels of modernization and is outdated purely technically

[Lara Croft]

The decision to modernize the remaining fleet of Be-12 "Chaika" was made in early 2018

Apparently there are so few of them that it is possible to modernize in one year (contrary to established practice) ...

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Apparently they are so few

So the weather will not make a special 6 aircraft. The event is about nothing.

[Jeremiah]

Yeah, in the 39th one "Seagull" was already modernized ....

[Izotovp]

Engine, as I understand it, will remain the same?

[Zaurbek]

But are there engines for the Be12? Or will there be new ones?

[muhomor]

Most likely our MO has information. And this information allows us to believe that there is little time left for some nix. There is simply no time for revision, testing and production of new samples. Therefore, they decided to "shamanize" and put on the move what we have.
to

[Lara Croft]

Quote: muhomor

Most likely our MO has information. And this information allows us to believe that there is little time left for some nix. There is simply no time for revision, testing and production of new samples. Therefore, they decided to "shamanize" and put on the move what we have.
to

On the other hand, while

"shamanize"

the armada of armored boats to the Crimean bridge will have time to break through, the tugs are easier and faster to sheathe sheets of iron than to upgrade amphibious aircraft, think that write .... uh ...

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Against Ukrainians they are not needed anyway. And against their friends they can put in their own five kopecks, at least as saving ones.

[Radical]

Quote: bayard

And what is the use of this rarity? Unless as a search and rescue ...
Apparently the IL-114 will not be soon ...

In addition, ku-ka-re-ku was distributed in relation to the start of production of the A-40 Albatross. However, crowing is certainly easier than actually fulfilling the promise ...

[Radical]

Quote: glasha3032

... In the country at the moment there is no way to get new cars ...

But what happened in the country - a civil war, or a world war, or maybe an epidemic ?!

[glasha3032]

But a change of social system happened in the country with all the ensuing consequences ... After all, you wanted to smoke Marlboro cigarettes and travel abroad - well, you will get it! And pay for this with collapse in everything ... And nothing else!

[bone1]

Is this junk also to be modernized?

[Old26]

Quote: NN52

Old26 (Vladimir)
What is bad after repair? It will also serve ...

Dmitry! Happy New Year!
I am not saying that he is bad. But the car is old, the last cars were released in 1973. What is the remaining resource for the glider - no one knows. It may turn out that the development of modernization and the modernization itself will result in such an amount that it is easier to put this money into a new development. Moreover, Beriev’s company continues to develop amphibians. I don’t know which one will be better, BE-200, or A-40, or A-42 - let the experts understand.

[Stalevar79]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to modernize the Be-12 amphibious aircraft fleet.

And if you sell Sechin’s yacht, will it be possible to buy new amphibians for money that will be produced in Russia, rather than rebuilding museum junk?

[glasha3032]

Are amphibians produced in the country?

[Stalevar79]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5-200

[Sergey-8848]

I dare to assure you, the purchase will be held under the "Segway" article. Let's look at new types

[Nitarius]

nda .. already new machines need to be prepared .. these are already working out a resource for iron!

[123456789]

Winston Churchill - Quote. “Generals always prepare for the last war.” ...

[Radical]

Quote: glasha3032

But a change of social system happened in the country with all the ensuing consequences ... After all, you wanted to smoke Marlboro cigarettes and travel abroad - well, you will get it! And pay for this with collapse in everything ... And nothing else!

I was quite happy with "Java", or "Stolichnye", sometimes I switched to "Prima" - in general, I liked the products of the Soviet tobacco industry, I did not complex due to the absence of the brand of cigarettes you indicated, and other well-known world brands.

[glasha3032]

You are a patriot! You have to be proud!

[Baloo]

A beautiful bird, in childhood dreamed of flying such.

[Radical]

Quote: glasha3032

You are a patriot! You have to be proud!

[Tektor]

Probably it makes sense to install the Be-12 “Seagulls” locator to search for submarines on the Il-38N, for example, under the nose cap. And also - on the Tu-142 in any suitable place.