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The deadlines for the creation of a super-heavy rocket "Yenisei"

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The head of Roscosmos, who, as previously stated, continues to prepare for a visit to the United States to meet with NASA, today commented on the timing of a promising super-heavy rocket. We are talking about the Yenisei rocket.




In a Twitter account, Dmitry Rogozin wrote that the Russian rocket and space industry had begun to create the RSK Yenisei, and a detailed schedule of work had already been signed.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, the creation of the rocket is scheduled for 2028 year.

From the tweet of the head of Roscosmos, it became known who will create the rocket:
Developers - RSC Energia S.P.Korolyova (Moscow region), Progress RCC (Samara), Center for them. MV Khrunichev (Moscow) - in terms of the creation of the third stage.


The characteristics of the promising missile (in the plans) are such that it must be capable of putting at least 70 tons of cargo into orbit. A special infrastructure is planned for this project at the Vostochny space center. In total, the project is estimated at 1,5 trillion rubles.

It should be noted that the configuration of the rocket will be represented by the Soyuz-5 rocket (1-I stage) and the Angara-5В (3-I stage).

The concept of creating a Yenisei class rocket was reviewed a few days ago - at the end of last year. It is noted that one of the main tasks of the rocket is the maintenance of flights to the Moon and Mars.
Photos used:
https://vk.com/roscosmos
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  1. Izotovp
    Izotovp 4 January 2019 13: 21
    +41
    Hooray ! Finally, we will create the latest rocket, which will only output one and a half times less than Energy 30 years ago.
    1. stariy
      stariy 4 January 2019 13: 25
      +43
      There is not enough money for yachts, and you with your missiles wassat
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 4 January 2019 13: 30
        +12
        So the rocket will launch into space private, space yachts wassat
        1. stariy
          stariy 4 January 2019 13: 33
          +1
          a light rocket of vodka and shampusik will fit a little about Devak generally urine one two wassat
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 4 January 2019 14: 27
            0
            Quote: stariy
            vodka and shampusik little fit about devak generally urine one two

            Well... what From the girls have to refuse! recourse
            1. stariy
              stariy 4 January 2019 14: 54
              +23
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              From the girls have to refuse!

              Vodka without girls rocket down the drain
            2. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 4 January 2019 15: 14
              +2
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: stariy
              vodka and shampusik little fit about devak generally urine one two

              Well... what From the girls have to refuse! recourse

              Are you like without them? It is better to refuse champagne, the packaging is too impractical, it weighs a lot.
              1. DarkMatter
                DarkMatter 5 January 2019 21: 31
                0
                Quote: Fil743
                It is better to refuse champagne, the packaging is too impractical, it weighs a lot.

                Yes, it’s better to abandon the rocket and with the girls, champagne at the cottage))) drinks wassat
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2019 16: 28
              +2
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              from the girls have to refuse!

              rather they will refuse astronauts
            4. Piramidon
              Piramidon 4 January 2019 17: 37
              -1
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: stariy
              vodka and champagne will fit a little about the devak in general piss one two

              Well... what From the girls have to refuse! recourse

              And from urine all the more.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 4 January 2019 17: 17
            +2
            Quote: stariy
            about Devak generally urinate one two wassat

            When it was also said that "women are rubber, on leasing, from Sweden. For the commander and the first mate, the rest get along like that" (c) K \ f "72 meters"
        2. Horla
          Horla 4 January 2019 14: 03
          -7
          For our money with you
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 January 2019 15: 09
        0
        Buy an inflatable boat with oars and you will row the money. laughing
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 4 January 2019 17: 56
        -6
        The new superheavy rocket will be assembled as a designer from the stages of other rockets !!! This will make launches cheaper !!!

        But instead of being happy for our space, you need to insert a silly comment about yachts.

        Russia's budget for space is 3 billion dollars, the United States has about 35 billion dollars and we keep parity with them !!!

        But in general, in the world, $ 80 billion a year is spent on space and Russia, with its 3 billion, remains the LEADER in this field.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 4 January 2019 18: 51
          +7
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Russia's budget for space is 3 billion dollars,

          In 2018, it was planned 146 billion rubles.
          The 2018 NASA budget is $ 20 billion.
          The difference is large as you can see, but you need to understand that NASA, unlike Roscosmos, needs to support a lot of current and promising space exploration programs. And the content of the ISS is almost on the neck of NASA. Roscosmos does not have operating interplanetary stations, telescopes and rovers, so it is unclear what parity and leadership you are talking about. All the concerns of Roskosmos are the service of the military and the functions of a cabman.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 4 January 2019 19: 02
            +1
            US spends on space not only through NASA
            Here's the spending breakdown for 2016 and 2017 -


    2. donavi49
      donavi49 4 January 2019 13: 32
      +7
      And immediately in the dimension of Heavik - which is already in 70 days this Saudi mega-satellite, the first commercial launch, will be lucky.


      Plus SLS is on the way - which will have significantly better performance (though 500 million per launch, it is very expensive).
    3. Bellerophon
      Bellerophon 4 January 2019 13: 34
      +11
      Depending on the configuration, the load is from 70 to 130 tons. Do not foolishly, my friend ...))))
    4. The comment was deleted.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 4 January 2019 14: 04
        +5
        Quote: Schnapps
        Well done, I managed to blurt out ...)) There are many of them in the queue for you.


        The head of Roscosmos Rogozin for this project at the Vostochny spaceport plans to develop 1,5 trillion rubles
    5. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 January 2019 13: 48
      +16
      I’m shocked here it’s dirty! Option 4. 1 The pH energy documentation has been completely lost / stolen. 2 Technology and rights sold in the usa in the 90s. 3 Engines use toxic fuel and conversion in the framework of performance characteristics is not possible for technical and engineering reasons. 4 launch and manufacture have astronomical value.
      But the lack of an answer why the project energy is not renewed from the Rogozin gang suggests!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 January 2019 14: 12
        +2
        The launch of Energy would cost the budget, 30 billion rubles, with current money.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 4 January 2019 14: 30
        +14
        By Energy - in that form it is dead by 100%. For example, a control system was made by a certain Hartron (Kharkov). This is the basic rocket system. It must be done again. Well, the mass of such trifles - when recreation is impossible.

        In the end - you need to make a rocket based on a bunch of new nodes, the volume of alterations +/- is equal to creating a new rocket, especially on the basis of already created blocks.

        Plus, the economy - for money, the launch will almost equal SLS at the start (if you take the Soviet one, more than 400 million dollars, and SLS with the best characteristics in the USA - 500. How much will EnergiaNG even with minimal modernization - replacing those nodes that cannot be reproduced, I doubt very much that will be cheaper than in the USSR).
        1. Waldemar
          Waldemar 4 January 2019 14: 35
          0
          That is, in Russia there is no documentation for the key elements of the product? I have no doubt that if they were available, all this could be made here
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 4 January 2019 14: 47
            +19
            As well as on engines. In the USSR, the main documentation was kept by the manufacturer and developer = Hartron.

            Another point, why? There is archaic (30 level + years and not from the best electronics of its generation). The point is to create the production of a deliberately outdated system from scratch (and will have to be from scratch) - that is, to lose time and find yourself in the losers in this aspect? It’s better to create a modern system on modern architecture and master its production.

            The third point - there will be thousands of small items. Up to every little thing like custom bolts. All this will have to be recreated. Bottom line - what is the target load (how many missiles will be ordered)? And the answer will be in price.

            That is, it is a unique rocket that is unified. Again, back to the Mask - Hevik is assembled from the blocks of the large-scale 9. Here the main savings. For cheap steps that are in serial production / service and have a long-term commercial load. Plus, again - they modify, improve 9 = automatically modify, improve Hevik. Yes, additional money and work are needed, but overall this is an advantage again.

            Let's take this Yenisei - the big question is whether the download to Angara and Soyuz5 will be real. But nevertheless - Yenisei uses the stages of these missiles. Consequently, this is how the cost of both the R&D of the rocket and the overall product / launch cost decreases.

            SLS is the basis of well-known Shuttle engines + Delta engines + Shuttle boosters. Yes, not everything is so simple, huge costs, but nevertheless, even they unified the missile as far as possible.
            1. Lamatinets
              Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 13
              +3
              On this but modernized archaic, how many years have we been flying?
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 4 January 2019 15: 55
                0
                Quote: Lamatinets
                On this but modernized archaic, how many years have we been flying?
                From that modernized archaic, little is left of what was once.
                1. Lamatinets
                  Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 57
                  +2
                  I agree, but dviguny, carriers themselves, lope them? although modernized, but not from scratch.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 4 January 2019 16: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Lamatinets
                    I agree, but dviguny, carriers themselves, lope them? although modernized, but not from scratch.
                    Dviguny every time new. From series to series, changes are made in software, design, etc. (including not explicitly: there was a scandal about replacing materials with cheaper ones). Only the concept has not changed.
                    It's like AK: AK 47 years old and AK 100+ are the same only at the sight of an amateur, and inside ...
                    Most electronics lost weight. If you make a CAN bus - there it will not remain by weight at all.
                    1. Lamatinets
                      Lamatinets 4 January 2019 16: 04
                      +1
                      Convinced, I will not argue. I’ll only add that experience is gained with each launch, and hence the modernization.
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 4 January 2019 16: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Lamatinets
                        I’ll only add that experience is gained with each launch, and hence the modernization.
                        Not just an experience! CONTINUITY!
                        To do something, you need people who do it. This is not an automatic line that can be stopped and started in 30-50 years.
                        Yes, after the era of competition, they decided to slow down and not swell monstrous means into space, and for 50 years they became workhorses of LV up to 30 tons at the IEO. Even the Space Shuttle, despite its power and actual load capacity of up to 80 tons (cargo, crew with security equipment and an orbiter without engines), had a payload of up to 30 tons.
                        Saturn-5 type monsters were not needed, and its engines were wildly expensive.
                        With N-1, it turned out better and worse: the engines remained from it. But if they did modular, like UR-100/200/500/700/900 ... maybe it all worked out.
                        The authority of F-Brown shot, and Korolev gave a zilch. But now it’s clear that everyone followed the path of Khrunichev.
        2. yustas
          yustas 4 January 2019 14: 39
          +1
          + To you, why are they shouting why "Ruslans" and "Mriya" are not building. Yes, yes, because in the union, they shared cooperation with everyone and many technologies, both lost and do not make sense in restoration, because they are unprofitable and outdated. Easier to build a new one. Why is it about the United States that they are re-mastering everything, no one whines and does not joke
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 4 January 2019 15: 57
            0
            Quote: yustas
            It's easier to build a new one.
            The urapatriot minusers cannot understand what economics, economy and unification are.
            Maybe that's why they fell in love with the USSR?
          2. Lamatinets
            Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 57
            +2
            And they have their own budget and Rogozin, let them tickle))))
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 16: 00
            +2
            Quote: yustas
            Yes, yes, because in the union cooperation was shared at all

            So, and with whom did we share motorcycles, for example, IZH? Or "Moskvich"?
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 4 January 2019 14: 44
        -3
        Quote: Valdemar
        The pH energy documentation has been completely lost / stolen.

        How so? And who sells modified engines from Energia to the states?
        1. Waldemar
          Waldemar 4 January 2019 14: 45
          -3
          Then it's just a theft
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 January 2019 16: 44
          -1
          RD 180 created by order of the United States - Energomash won the competition in 1996.
    6. K-612-O
      K-612-O 4 January 2019 13: 54
      +3
      Nobody needed energy, even in alliance. In addition to Buran, there was no load for her. As now, SLS will put into orbit from 50 to 75 tons. No one else needs it yet. And energy is a pity, like N-1, but there are no tasks for them, and even the Americans do not want to let money into the pipe.
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 4 January 2019 14: 36
        -4
        At energy, as I recall, two additional overclocks were hung on the sides. If you remove them you will be 70 tons
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 4 January 2019 15: 46
          +2
          Energy implied a continuation of 200t. Burlak was called. And I think that continuation, too, was not just like that, but under something concrete, which still lies under the cloth.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 4 January 2019 16: 03
          +4
          Quote: Valdemar
          At energy, as I recall, two additional overclocks were hung on the sides.
          Bad memory. There were 4 of them.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 4 January 2019 14: 43
        +3
        Quote: K-612-O

        Nobody needed energy, even in alliance. In addition to Buran, there was no load for her.
        It depends on how you look at it! You sho think? When "Salutes" (diamonds) were launched, were there ethkaes? Yes figs you under the rocker! From childhood, space bombers were thinking ... And then the INF Treaty shouted ... "Dead hand" must be firmly supported ... what But as ? request So you give me new Burana bombers! How many vanguards bonb, snow storm "take a mogot? And you say:" Energy nafig is not needed ... "!
      3. Izotovp
        Izotovp 4 January 2019 17: 49
        0
        For example, “Pole (SkifDM).
      4. ruigat
        ruigat 5 January 2019 08: 47
        0
        You're lying like breathing. RN energy was a modular rocket, and in the configuration in which it flew (4-rd-170, 4 rd-0120), this was necessary because of the output of the PN (KK snowstorm and BCS skiff). There was also a smaller configuration (energy m, 2 rd-170 and 1 rd-0120), with payload 35-38 tons at the NOO. And the initial project of the pH of the hangar (and not the squalor into which the oligarchy of the Russian Federation turned it) with 1 rd-170 and 1d-0120, displayed 20 tons on the NOU.
    7. spektr9
      spektr9 4 January 2019 14: 13
      +7
      Hooray ! Finally, we will create the latest rocket, which will only output one and a half times less than Energy 30 years ago.

      Are you sure we will create, led by Rogozin?
      1. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 4 January 2019 14: 38
        +1
        Rogozin has a chance to create something
        From 2012-14, Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation
        since 2014 Deputy Putin for the military-industrial complex
        On May 24, 2018, by decree of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin, he was appointed Director General of the State Space Corporation Roscosmos


        What the military-industrial complex has been doing in recent years can be understood by Caliber, Vanguard, Poseidon, etc. etc.
        Part of this work was done during the years of the chairman of the military-industrial complex Rogozin.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 4 January 2019 14: 59
          +2
          To live and see the start is another incentive))) If only we would not disappoint.
    8. orionvitt
      orionvitt 4 January 2019 14: 37
      0
      Quote: Izotovp
      30 years ago.

      Let me remind you that the Americans created the Saturn rocket with super-duper F-1 engines, with a payload of 100 tons, 50 years ago. Since then, no one has seen them, except in museums. Oh yes, they lost the drawings with documentation. laughing A logical question arises, was there a boy?
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 4 January 2019 16: 07
        +3
        Quote: orionvitt
        with a payload of 100 tons
        Lunar module with 140 t booster block tongue
        Quote: orionvitt
        Since then, no one has seen them, except in museums.
        I watched the start of Energy on TV. It was just breathtaking.
        But no one saw the rockets - not even the layout is in museums. Was there a boy?
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 4 January 2019 16: 41
          +1
          We had engines from the central unit at the department. Impressive.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 5 January 2019 20: 19
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          But no one saw the rockets - not even the layout is in museums

          Only engines from "Energia" are sold to Americans and they are happy to buy. So everything is fine with our boy. Where's their vaunted F-1?
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 5 January 2019 20: 38
            -1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Only engines from "Energia" are sold to Americans and they are happy to buy.
            Not exactly the same: the RD-180 is just two of the RD-170 cameras and another strapping. RS-25 can be considered the heir. And the RS-25 is the best in its class.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 5 January 2019 20: 45
              0
              It is clear that not quite, but at least a modification of the same RD-180. If the RS-25 is the best in its class, why do Americans take the Russians? Where is the dog fluttering? And anyway, why are there so many dark spots in the American space program? I believe that this is not a matter of ordinary secrecy.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 5 January 2019 20: 51
                -1
                Quote: orionvitt
                Why do Americans take Russian? Where is the dog fluttering?
                RD-180 does not compete with RS-25 anywhere. It was used in orbit and is planned in SLS.
                RD-180 is used only on one rocket, provides a conclusion of less than 20% of the payload, so ...
    9. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2019 16: 28
      +2
      Quote: Izotovp
      Finally, we will create the latest rocket

      as weary, it’s not even a chicken in the nest, it’s still an amoeba
      I’m wondering what would have happened to the Minister if he had cried out in 51 that they were building a rocket, cool and cool, and it would fly into space in 10 years
    10. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 4 January 2019 17: 51
      0
      It seems to me that you missed the point here, a new rocket will be created and the 1st and 3rd stages of other missiles and thus it will turn out to be more affordable. In fact, the result was a designer - we need a closer Union, a little further away from the Angara, and even further we connect the Union and the Angara, we get the Yenisei))).

      Great circuit !!!

      It is not difficult to make an extra-heavy rocket, it is difficult to make sure that the launches of these missiles do not affect the welfare of the whole country for the worse.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 5 January 2019 06: 40
        +1
        In Energy, the Zenith LV were the side blocks and the scheme implied both 4 and 2 side blocks if maximum power was not needed.
    11. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 4 January 2019 20: 22
      0
      Quote: Izotovp
      Hooray ! Finally, we will create the latest rocket, which will only output one and a half times less than Energy 30 years ago.

      They will answer that the USSR was supposedly overstrained by "energy", and we don't need more.
    12. ver_
      ver_ 5 January 2019 11: 28
      0
      ... a drowned dock will be lifted, no matter? ..
  2. NordUral
    NordUral 4 January 2019 13: 28
    0
    What does this Dimona "Energy" do not like? Probably it will be possible to cut a little? How tired of effective managers and managers you are!
    1. soul
      soul 4 January 2019 13: 32
      +9
      Quote: NordUral
      What are you so tired of effective managers and managers!

      All to the wall. Children in the mines. I am for
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 4 January 2019 13: 50
        +5
        I'm three times
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 4 January 2019 14: 26
        +2
        Duck kids practically rule everything. And they will certainly beat the wall.
      3. Lamatinets
        Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 14
        0
        Ku to you, three times !!!!
      4. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 4 January 2019 15: 31
        +1
        All to the wall. Children in the mines. I am for
        I'm three times

        And for vacant vacancies - you. good How familiar! Even in the collected works of V.I. Lenin. Although the Communists have recently claimed that Ilyich did not write about cooks in government. recourse
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 4 January 2019 16: 13
          +2
          Quote: Fil743
          Even in the collected works of V.I. Lenin. Although the Communists have recently claimed that Ilyich did not write about cooks in government.
          Like BE ... there are millions of copies of the works of VIUL. You just need to read and check - why should someone believe?
          However, according to the sciatica ...
          We know, that any laborer and any cook are NOT ABLE to immediately take control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from wealthy families officials can take. We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it be started immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training.
          Those. He wrote, but not in the way that Russophobes-patronists present us, criticizing the USSR.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 16: 22
          +2
          Quote: Fil743
          How familiar! Even in the collected works of V.I. Lenin.

          Great doubts gnaw me that you read Lenin ...
        3. soul
          soul 4 January 2019 19: 37
          +2
          Quote: Fil743
          And for vacant vacancies - you. good

          I don't need this fuck. I'm doing my thing. I don’t take the state budget, I comply with the law, and I look forward to it from others.
  3. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 4 January 2019 13: 29
    -1
    The first leaf of chamomile — we’ll do it — it’s torn off, then the second leaf will be torn off — the rocket is not needed, we need money for it, for the future, then the third one — we will do it ...
  4. prior
    prior 4 January 2019 13: 32
    -3
    Who would clearly explain, why the hell to me and Mars and the Moon and the ISS, if I have a pension and you have a salary .... do you know how much ?!
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 4 January 2019 13: 35
      +16
      Quote: prior
      Well, fuck me and Mars and the Moon and the ISS, if I have a pension

      What does your pension have to do with it? In honor of her, do you need to stop the progress of mankind?
      1. prior
        prior 4 January 2019 13: 44
        -14
        So I don’t understand what is the progress? get a piece of Martian cobblestone and moon dust?
        The effect of such progress is how to heat the house, burning ruble bills in a potbelly stove.
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 4 January 2019 15: 38
          +7
          Those who look no higher than the feeders will never understand those who look at the stars ...
        2. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 4 January 2019 16: 04
          +5
          Quote: prior
          So I don’t understand what is the progress? get a piece of Martian cobblestone and moon dust?

          The cost of 1 gram of moon dust (Soviet) reaches 1 million evergreens. I wouldn’t refuse such an increase to my pension. I'm afraid to even imagine your size if such an increase does not suit you.
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 4 January 2019 16: 09
            +2
            Thank you for confirming my words below that in the USSR, every ruble invested in space gave 3 rubles of profit wink
        3. Simargl
          Simargl 4 January 2019 17: 09
          0
          Quote: prior
          So I don’t understand what is the progress? get a piece of Martian cobblestone and moon dust?
          Today, you’ll be raised your pension by 500 rubles, and in 30 years your grandchildren will suck their paws because the country is sliding to the level of South Africa. And great-grandchildren will generally be in doubt.
          These are real numbers.
        4. ruigat
          ruigat 5 January 2019 10: 16
          0
          That’s all your essence of miso and consumptive. You don’t even understand that NOW you are giving YOUR money back to those countries that swallow moon dust and collect Martian cobblestones.
          1. prior
            prior 5 January 2019 10: 40
            +1
            You will live out your life with a pension that you don’t have enough for anything, remember about consumption and about Mars and about the Moon for a snack.
            (And I earned my pension, including for the development of space electronics, without which there would be no space, but this, as they say, is a completely different story ...)
            1. ruigat
              ruigat 5 January 2019 10: 53
              0
              All claims to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, they spend your pension on yachts and castles.
    2. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 January 2019 13: 52
      +3
      There is an indirect connection between Mars and MKSs and the economy, including pension.
      1. prior
        prior 4 January 2019 14: 06
        -4
        And not only indirect, but the most direct. If somewhere increases, then somewhere necessarily decrease or vice versa ?!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 14: 16
          +4
          Quote: prior
          If somewhere increases, then somewhere necessarily decrease or vice versa ?!

          In our pocket we will get it ... crying
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 4 January 2019 15: 00
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: prior
            If somewhere increases, then somewhere necessarily decrease or vice versa ?!

            In our pocket we will get it ... crying

            Not without it. But the pension of grandmothers during the flight of Gagarin was also not thick. But they did not grumble, they rejoiced at that flight.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 15: 14
              +2
              Quote: Marconi41
              But the pension of grandmothers during the flight of Gagarin was also not thick. But they did not complain, they were happy about that flight.

              So the result was. And right now there’s no fig besides the empty chime.
              1. Marconi41
                Marconi41 4 January 2019 15: 16
                0
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Marconi41
                But the pension of grandmothers during the flight of Gagarin was also not thick. But they did not complain, they were happy about that flight.

                So the result was. And right now there’s no fig besides the empty chime.

                So if we don’t run anything, then where will the result be from?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 15: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Marconi41
                  So if we don’t run anything, then where will the result be from?

                  And we, except for the ISS, can no longer launch anything. And once on the moon they painted "Since March 8", and they said that Deimos was hit by our Martians. They even found the trail of the rocket. crying
                  1. Marconi41
                    Marconi41 4 January 2019 15: 24
                    0
                    Yes it is. But some pensioners do not want to do this anymore. See how this debate began.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 15: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: Marconi41
                      See how this debate began.

                      I see.
                      In total, the implementation of the project is estimated at 1,5 trillion rubles.
                      Ugh on them. Buran-Energiya brought out more than 70 tons. We've got all these projects already. Like they flew to Mars. Well, I don't remember how long we sat in the capsule, and then what? Ah, I got it! We need to create a new, innovative project. I'll tell them. In the 90s, one English professor deciphered a signal from deep space as: "All to keep radio silence! Attack!" And now the entire enemy alien fleet in full force rowing towards the Earth. But we have nothing to meet them with. crying
                      1. Marconi41
                        Marconi41 4 January 2019 15: 46
                        +2
                        I wonder how much Mask projects cost. Judging by your research, they are free.
                        I will not argue further, the path will be yours. There is no need to develop Russian technologies. They are better to buy. For example, in China.
                        Sincerely.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 15: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Marconi41
                        I wonder how much Mask projects cost. Judging by your research, they are free.

                        I want to say that we are marking time.
                        Quote: Marconi41
                        They are better to buy. For example, in China.

                        If someone in 90 would say something like that to me, I would laugh all the way to it. But now it’s no laughing matter.
            2. Lamatinets
              Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 15
              0
              How do you know, maybe pensioners then murmured, but in silence. !!!
              1. Marconi41
                Marconi41 4 January 2019 15: 20
                0
                Quote: Lamatinets
                How do you know, maybe pensioners then murmured, but in silence. !!!

                Okay. The path will be yours. We will not develop technologies, we will later buy them to the delight of retirees.
                1. prior
                  prior 5 January 2019 10: 26
                  +2
                  Before you blame pensioners, remember! that it was they, not you who mastered the cosmos, and they, and not you, achieved the results that the current generation is trying to be proud of!
                  And the peace of you is over you thanks to pensioners, who at one time created nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles.
                  This is so before blaming retirees for retrograde.
                  And what is proud of the current one because they built a new launch pad? for crazy money, half of which was stolen?
        2. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 4 January 2019 15: 42
          +3
          On the contrary. Each ruble invested in space in the USSR brought 3 ruble profits.
          Surely even you watch TV through satellite repeaters and use the navigator. This is not to mention the weather forecast, reconnaissance, and more ...
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 4 January 2019 15: 56
            +2
            Quote: Perun's grandson
            On the contrary. Each ruble invested in space in the USSR brought 3 ruble profits.
            Surely even you watch TV through satellite repeaters and use the navigator. This is not to mention the weather forecast, reconnaissance, and more ...

            And now all the girlfriend? We do not use navigators, communication, weather forecast is determined by a salted finger?
            1. ver_
              ver_ 5 January 2019 11: 49
              0
              ... then the proverb - * ... lies like a weather forecast .. *
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 January 2019 14: 05
      +3
      Quote: prior
      Who would clearly explain, why the hell to me and Mars and the Moon and the ISS, if I have a pension and you have a salary .... do you know how much ?!

      Now, bite it, - whose Mars? - Soviet.
      1. prior
        prior 4 January 2019 14: 13
        -3
        Figs with him and Mars, we would like to master the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route, they say there is a lot of oil, they can scrape together for raising a pension.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        Whose Mars is it? - Soviet.

        And why did the curd go so much in quality?
        1. Strelets1
          Strelets1 4 January 2019 23: 08
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And why did the curd go so much in quality?


          Hehe ... Euro-technology, however ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 January 2019 08: 14
            0
            Quote: Strelets1
            Euro technologies, however ...

            Cheese "Orbita" was invented for cosmonauts to fly to Mars. crying
            1. Strelets1
              Strelets1 5 January 2019 21: 56
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Cheese "Orbita" was invented for cosmonauts to fly to Mars.


              Stop misinforming world obscurity ... All that is needed for a flight to Mars can come up with only one humanoid in our Galaxy and its environs ... Saint Elon Musk ...
    4. spektr9
      spektr9 4 January 2019 14: 16
      +1
      Who would clearly explain, why the hell to me and Mars and the Moon and the ISS, if I have a pension and you have a salary .... do you know how much ?!

      Here, too, was frustrating, we haven’t been flying to Mars and the Moon for 20 years ... The whole pension and salary goes to yachts to the oligarchs, but it doesn’t seem to bother you much
    5. NordUral
      NordUral 4 January 2019 14: 29
      +2
      One another is not a hindrance under reasonable rulers, Vlad! And with these - with or without Mars, pension and salary will not be greater (in real terms, but not in the notions of Rosstat).
      1. prior
        prior 4 January 2019 14: 42
        -5
        Yes, in essence, I, too, are not talking about the size of pensions ... but about the benefits of undertaking.
        I imagined how many, for example, free parking for this money could be built ...!
        Oh, dreams ...
        And so, well, there will be somewhere in IKI one more scientific model ... But from Mars!
        1. AlexG83
          AlexG83 4 January 2019 15: 45
          +2
          Quote: prior
          I imagined how many, for example, free parking for this money could be built ...!

          And I presented how much work will be for enterprises in the high-tech field of activity, engineers, workers. Accordingly, they will receive both knowledge and experience, which will be applicable a lot more where.
          But you propose to lower the country into the Stone Age. Free parking - the ultimate dream apparently?
        2. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 4 January 2019 16: 02
          +2
          Quote: prior
          how many, for example, free parking for this money could be built

          Oh well ... And without that, all the cities are in traffic jams.
          Public transport should be developed, and not engaged in consumerism (sorry for the abusive word).
        3. TOR2
          TOR2 4 January 2019 22: 18
          +1
          Quote: prior
          I imagined how many, for example, free parking for this money could be built ...!

          Vlad, any free parking brings a lot of profit to the local budget. For example: you arrived at point B and put a car in the parking lot. On the way, refueled, paid VAT + subsidize jobs at a gas station that also pays taxes. Having a car you visit car dealerships, car washes, tire fitting, and this is VAT + taxes. Unfortunately, in many departments of transport such simple things are not enough to understand brains, they would only be prohibited and removed.
    6. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 16: 24
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Who would clearly explain, why the hell to me and Mars and the Moon and the ISS, if I have a pension and you have a salary .... do you know how much ?!

      For blazera. What are you unhappy with?
  5. Berkut24
    Berkut24 4 January 2019 13: 33
    +8
    According to Dmitry Rogozin, the creation of the rocket is scheduled for 2028 year.

    With our tendencies, calling the deadline even "in a year" is fraught. Rogozin is firmly following the path of either Shah or a donkey.
    1. Lamatinets
      Lamatinets 4 January 2019 13: 50
      +3
      lope that Rogozin buoy in 2028? and where will he be.
      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg 4 January 2019 14: 14
        0
        Do you know what some astronomers do with us? They are calculating that the Sun will go out in 5 million years and our galaxy will collide with Andromeda in 1 billion. And they are already laying out and are calculating how to save us! ! !
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 January 2019 14: 15
        -1
        He will be retired by the 28th - do not worry about him.
        1. Lamatinets
          Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 17
          +1
          Yes, he is retired, but I still don’t, by that time I will not be retired
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 4 January 2019 14: 30
      +1
      Alexei, we are the people, we are following the donkey.
    3. ver_
      ver_ 5 January 2019 11: 58
      0
      ... they sent him to sleep - he is going to sleep and goes ..
  6. Tashkent citizen
    Tashkent citizen 4 January 2019 13: 34
    +7
    According to Dmitry Rogozin, the creation of the rocket is scheduled for 2028 year.

    Ha! After 10 years, no Rogozin will be gone. You can promise as much as you want.
    And you can promise a colony on Mars in 20 years. And after 30 on Venus.
    By 2028, either the donkey will die or the padish.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 4 January 2019 13: 44
      0
      Tashkent citizen hi donkey will die aboard the starship, on the way to Alpha Centauri, from boredom, they will send one. .. wassat
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 January 2019 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Tashkent
      Ha! After 10 years, no Rogozin will be gone.

      Inspections of the Accounts Chamber revealed that more than 40% of all violations committed by state structures in 2017 relate to the activities of this “promising” department. Kudrin noted that accounting violations at Roskosmos gained in the amount of 2017 billion rubles in 760! And according to the results of inspections, criminal cases have already been opened. It is known that Roscosmos, as deputy prime minister for defense, was overseen by Dmitry Rogozin, who now became the head of this state corporation. Will Rogozin be punished after the theft, and do these numbers mean that from that moment the mopping up of the military-industrial complex begins?

      and already 2019 ......
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 January 2019 17: 12
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        Kudrin noted that accounting violations at Roskosmos gained in the amount of 2017 billion rubles in 760!

        And why does Kudrin not see violations in other industries? wink
        1. ver_
          ver_ 5 January 2019 12: 01
          +1
          ... the glasses are not visible ..
      2. Strelets1
        Strelets1 4 January 2019 23: 38
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Kudrin noted


        This "celebrated" 11 years in charge of the finances of the Russian Federation and all these years (with the exception of a short break) was the Deputy Prime Minister ... So Kudrin also has something to show - and maybe even more than Rogozin for Roscosmos ...
        GDP out, and he could not stand it, reminded his colleague about a mirror and a crooked face ...
  7. senima56
    senima56 4 January 2019 13: 34
    +4
    Has everything been decided with the "Angara"? Or....? It seems that they haven't figured it out to the end, but already about the "Yenisei" some "ideas". Do not take too seriously what Dmitry Olegovich says - he too often "exaggerates"!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 January 2019 14: 18
      +2
      The hangar should raise up to 35 tons, and this Yenisei - from 70 to 130 tons.
  8. ohka
    ohka 4 January 2019 13: 38
    +2
    I love our plans
    Swipe steps fencing.
    I rejoice in the march that we go
    to work and to battle.
  9. Hypersound
    Hypersound 4 January 2019 13: 39
    -5
    it should be capable of placing at least 70 tons of cargo into orbit.


    That would be to load all this load with thermonuclear warheads ... :)

    70 tons of carrying capacity is about 100 megatons of nuclear equivalent
    1. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 January 2019 13: 54
      +1
      The thermonuclear warhead has a slightly different mass-dimensional component. A relatively small bomb can be made very powerful. So hell knows how much GIGatons
  10. askort154
    askort154 4 January 2019 13: 41
    +9
    Dmitry Rogozin wrote on a Twitter account that the Russian space and rocket industry had begun to create the Yenisei RSK, and a detailed work schedule had already been signed. ... According to Dmitry Rogozin, the creation of the rocket is scheduled for 2028.

    Well, the times tongue And in the USSR it was like this - "TASS reports, yesterday a launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome ....", and never about plans to develop new products.
    Places of production and designers were classified.
    Now the chicken is in the nest, and the head of Roscosmos reports on the Internet - where, when and by whom the new rocket will be developed. Sorry for Beria, do not let him lie still. negative yes
    1. Lamatinets
      Lamatinets 4 January 2019 13: 51
      -5
      and modern specialists why they do not catch mice
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 4 January 2019 14: 10
        +5
        Over the 20 years of Putin’s rule, some of his own have remained around, even the special people, but he hasn’t surrendered his own. His guards already became governors, friends became billionaires, and the most important guard became the head of the Russian Guard. Who to catch then?
        1. Lamatinets
          Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 18
          0
          Ulyukaev was caught !!!
          1. ver_
            ver_ 6 January 2019 08: 01
            0
            ... if I would share it, I won’t get it ..
    2. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 January 2019 13: 57
      +8
      They lifted up their ten-year plans for the future. Under the USSR there were almost no CAD or computer simulations. There was less technology, and they weren't messing around for ten to twenty years. WITH A CULMAN AND LOGARITHMIC RULE!
      And everything flew already sparks knocked out!
      Cattail for soap!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 January 2019 14: 19
        +1
        Computer modeling was on computers.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 4 January 2019 14: 36
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Computer modeling was on computers.

          Of course it was, but now in this regard a huge step forward has been made and the time for design should go less.
        2. Waldemar
          Waldemar 4 January 2019 14: 44
          0
          I know. But what a simulation it was. It’s not the same as now, when you see on the screen a sopromat live in 3D animation! There were no such machines and programs to consider such data arrays in one fell swoop. Development tools improved thousands of times in productivity!
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 4 January 2019 15: 17
            0
            Quote: Valdemar
            when you see on the screen a sopromat live on 3D animations!

            Sorry, but these are toys.
            For 3D graphics, the British had to connect the HP 2000 Basic station with Apple as one of the latter as a video processor (which Apple was originally). And this is just a miscalculation of prehistoric remains. Time is not critical. At the moment, 27 years have passed ...
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 January 2019 16: 51
            0
            In production something like this
            .
          3. Hole puncher
            Hole puncher 4 January 2019 19: 02
            0
            Quote: Valdemar
            Development tools improved thousands of times in productivity!

            And now there is no mashburo at the factories and e-mail ... However, to see people and no longer those, the current tribe cannot ... Previously, space work is prestige, salaries, your own store with a deficit ... And now, judging by the information in there’s nothing to do there, you cannot buy an apartment for prestige and you can’t relax in Turkey.
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    1. Tashkent citizen
      Tashkent citizen 4 January 2019 14: 01
      0
      Russia alone cannot pull this project

      You need to steal less. And then everything can be "pulled".
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 January 2019 14: 22
      -1
      The engines are the first RD 171M, for flying to Mars YaRDU - with plasma engines, until the 35th most likely the JRE will be brought to the series.
  12. Proton
    Proton 4 January 2019 13: 55
    +10
    And let's get 1,5 trl on the kids, we’ll build a healthy éraplan and fly away to it to .. mother’s Martian laughing
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  13. Iskander. Richard
    Iskander. Richard 4 January 2019 14: 00
    -4
    Is there a time frame when people will live humanly? Or, as always, will they be fed cartoon rockets?
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 4 January 2019 14: 20
      +3
      And humanly, how is it !? As in America, they themselves were in farming areas? I’ve been in retirement for a long time, and sometimes I even help children and grandchildren, I just need to eat less and reduce requests! In general, one must be more modest, one won’t take everything to the grave!
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        1. Nizhlogger
          Nizhlogger 5 January 2019 03: 03
          0
          Well, let’s put me to the level of Americans who live on grocery cards really hard.
          They then who steals the loot?
    2. Lamatinets
      Lamatinets 4 January 2019 15: 19
      0
      There are deadlines, but not yet approved.
  14. K-50
    K-50 4 January 2019 14: 04
    +1
    creation of a super-heavy rocket "Yenisei"

    Another drank? what belay
    Where is the payload for it? After all, you can't build it in a couple of years either. So you need to do this and that at the same time, but since there is silence about what is going to be displayed by this "monster", then it turns out "another development in your own pocket." No. negative
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 January 2019 14: 24
      +1
      The joke will be if in 2028 - this project, the new leadership of Roscosmos will close.
    2. AlexG83
      AlexG83 4 January 2019 16: 09
      0
      Quote: K-50
      creation of a super-heavy rocket "Yenisei"

      Another drank? what belay
      Where is the payload for it? After all, you can't build it in a couple of years either. So you need to do this and that at the same time, but since there is silence about what is going to be displayed by this "monster", then it turns out "another development in your own pocket." No. negative

      Why not build anything now? "After all, I drank wherever you spit."
      Well, maybe they’ll steal a part, but they will build everything smoothly. After all, they proved that long-term projects can be mastered, there are lots of examples.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 16: 13
        0
        Well, maybe they will. What the hell?
      2. K-50
        K-50 4 January 2019 16: 58
        +1
        Quote: AlexG83
        What now do not build anything?

        To build, but it is not pointless, namely, to draw up a program where not only the construction of missiles will be taken into account, but also what they will output, with what frequency, the cost of these launches.
        So far, we have only cries about building a "taxi" without considering who and where to take it.
  15. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 January 2019 14: 06
    +4
    After 10 years, the donkey may die, and the padishah will definitely not be.
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 January 2019 14: 15
    +1
    What about the timing for Armata?
  17. Е2 - Е4
    Е2 - Е4 4 January 2019 14: 25
    -4
    It will be a great CUT !!!
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  19. Altona
    Altona 4 January 2019 14: 43
    +4
    2028 is 10 years from now. By this time, part of the Roscosmos enterprises may die for economic reasons created by our Government. The same Khrunichev can calmly accumulate from "there will be no socialism, it is too expensive." To give announcements for 10 years is all the same "approximation to the per capita GDP of Portugal"
  20. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 January 2019 15: 06
    +2
    According to Dmitry Rogozin, the creation of the rocket is scheduled for 2028 year.

    Wow, as calculated ... Right before retirement will launch. Here ... And everyone believes him ... They jump on a trampoline and believe ...
  21. irazum
    irazum 4 January 2019 15: 06
    +4
    I propose to make the whole family of "trampoline-lunar" testers in all its "projects", ie. let them sit "astride" each product they announce and go ahead, the first launch! This is not for you to drown a dachshund (and even that I could not do).
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: irazum
      I propose to make the whole family of "trampoline-lunar" testers in all its "projects", ie. let them sit "astride" each product they announce and go ahead, the first launch! This is not for you to drown a dachshund (and even that I could not do).

      Are you stunned? So we will not have projects. How to live?
      1. irazum
        irazum 4 January 2019 16: 25
        +1
        Then manned flights no closer than Jupiter must be flung with dates no earlier than 2119. and begin to slowly beat out financing. Indeed, lying is really big!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 January 2019 16: 32
          +2
          Quote: irazum
          Then manned flights no closer than Jupiter must be flung with dates no earlier than 2119.

          So I’m probably writing for the fifth time that they promised us to get helium on the Moon by the 2020 year. Likely the pipe will not be held in any way ... bully
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 4 January 2019 17: 13
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Likely a pipe will not be held in any way ... bully

            So all the pipes to the "North" and "Turkish" streams in the sea were drowned lol
          2. irazum
            irazum 4 January 2019 17: 35
            +1
            The pipe was pulled from the Ministry of Finance to the dacha to the "trampoline-lunar".
  22. dgonni
    dgonni 4 January 2019 16: 49
    0
    We cross the hedgehog and the snake, fine, we get 1,5 meters of thorns.
  23. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 4 January 2019 16: 59
    0
    In parallel, it is necessary to prepare gardeners.
    "To live and believe is wonderful!
    We have unprecedented paths.
    Astronauts and dreamers say,
    That apple trees will bloom on Mars! "
    In general, Russia needs to deal closely with Mars and the Moon. It is necessary to live somewhere in the overpopulated Far East and North (where it’s cold and the apple trees somehow ...). In general, for the complete happiness of Mars is not enough.
  24. Captain45
    Captain45 4 January 2019 17: 11
    0
    In a Twitter account, Dmitry Rogozin wrote that the Russian rocket and space industry had begun to create the RSK Yenisei, and a detailed schedule of work had already been signed. (C)
    I’ve thought, thought and understood why all the persons holding important masters, even the presidents write all .... on twitter and insragamah, after 100 grams. If this person speaks from the official platform tribune and makes an official statement, then this (statement) will have to be answered. What is a tweeter? So-so, a virtual reality about which you can always say that it wasn’t me writing, it was hacked by evil people (Russian, Korean, Chinese hackers) and there is no demand.
  25. slipped
    slipped 4 January 2019 17: 46
    0
    It's so funny to read all this blah blah blah here in the comments.
  26. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2019 17: 53
    +4
    Quote: Valdemar
    I’m shocked here it’s dirty! Option 4. 1 The pH energy documentation has been completely lost / stolen. 2 Technology and rights sold in the usa in the 90s. 3 Engines use toxic fuel and conversion in the framework of performance characteristics is not possible for technical and engineering reasons. 4 launch and manufacture have astronomical value.
    But the lack of an answer why the project energy is not renewed from the Rogozin gang suggests!

    You can also write paragraph 5. The "Energy" carrier was made by the whole country, by the entire USSR. The first stage is based on Zenit, which was made in Dnepropetrovsk. The control system was probably Kharkov. So to do what they did in different republics most likely will not work. And creating everything again - it will no longer be "Energy".

    Quote: Valdemar
    At energy, as I recall, two additional overclocks were hung on the sides. If you remove them you will be 70 tons

    Energia had 4 side blocks. Energy-M was supposed to have two sides. And it had a carrying capacity of 35 tons EMNIP. So remove 2 sides - this does not mean that there will be 75 tons.

    Quote: Izotovp
    Energy implied a continuation of 200t. Burlak was called. And I think that continuation, too, was not just like that, but under something concrete, which still lies under the cloth.

    The sequel was called "Volcano". If there were no loads for Energia, except for Buran and the only launch of Skif, then there were no loads for the 200-ton Vulcan even in the future.

    Quote: askort154
    Well, the times are tongue And in the USSR it was like this - "TASS reports, yesterday a launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome ....", and never about plans to develop new products.

    The only time when it was announced in advance about the new modification, and about those astronauts who would have to fly, was before the Apollo-Soyuz flight.

    Quote: Lamatinets
    and modern specialists why they do not catch mice

    They catch mice. It just changed what needs to be kept secret, the list of information. Under the USSR, sometimes there was a secret that did not need to be done. So it turned out that Western sources reported about all launches, about what type (approximately) satellites were launched, and we regularly wrote only about satellites of the "Cosmos" series. And sometimes it came to frank delirium, when, along with the data that really needed to be secret, everything else was secret.

    Quote: Altona
    2028 is in 10 years.

    2028 is already the carrier of the second stage with a carrying capacity of up to 115 tons. Prior to this, there will be a developmental version (50 tons) and stage 1 option for 88 tons. Outwardly, it may look something like this

  27. slipped
    slipped 4 January 2019 18: 15
    +1
    Old 26, you certainly more people rummaging in space than the rest, but

    Quote: Old26
    The control system was probably Kharkov.


    Pilyuginsky did the SU of parablocks as well as Zenit NTSAP. But today it is already outdated. At "Irtysh" SU now NPOA is going to do, which is generally correct, since they have excellent cooperation with "Progress" on "Soyuz".
  28. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 4 January 2019 19: 12
    -1
    Rogozin will soon leave for the United States, telling tales how everything is developing and planned for us, will persuade him to continue to buy engines and places in the Unions, most likely he will talk about discounts and the need to maintain friendly relations and cash injections. That's just he was late. Boeing and LM themselves in gloom, the lobby at NASA, and the Pentagon will help little in the fight against SpaceX. Their era is over ...
    1. Strelets1
      Strelets1 5 January 2019 00: 13
      0
      Quote: Puncher
      Boeing and LM themselves in gloom, the lobby at NASA, and the Pentagon will help little in the fight against SpaceX. Their era is over ...


      Stop whining something ... Boeing and Lockheed Martin in despondency ... No raving. SLS and Orion have not disappeared from NASA programs, as well as the lunar orbital station ...
      And ULA is not sitting without work ... Three whales (Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop), as were on government contracts, and remain ... And the fact that the sector of the withdrawal of the PN to LEO and the ISS maintenance in the United States was given to private individuals - so this program (" Private space ") in the USA quietly (at first in the legislative plan, and then in financial and technological - due to state support of private owners) began back in 1984, when the multibillion-dollar state program of the MTKS" Space Shuttle "was just beginning ... Well and after the closure of the Space Shuttle, the work was intensified - all the more so when one of the ideologists of the "private astronautics" Michael Griffin was put at the helm of NASA - who pulled "our saint" - I. Mask into the light of day ...
  29. APASUS
    APASUS 4 January 2019 19: 51
    +1
    Again Rogozin and the colonization of Mars? I’m not tired of listening to the legends of this leader.
    In total, the development of Angara as of 2013 officially cost 3,3 billion dollars. Experts say that after the introduction of US sanctions, the Angara will never fly. Design bureaus are developed by domestic ones, but telemetry is foreign there.

    Now the time has come for a new legend called Yenisei!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 January 2019 21: 53
      -1
      Colonization of Mars according to the calculations of Roscosmos will cost at least 4,5 trillion rubles, with the first flight in 2055 - but the money, according to the statements of the same Roscosmos, needs to be given now - otherwise we will not be in time by the declared date.
  30. Decimam
    Decimam 4 January 2019 20: 34
    +1
    "Dmitry Rogozin wrote on his Twitter account that the Russian rocket and space industry has started to create the Yenisei RSC, and a detailed work schedule has already been signed."
    In the Twitter account, Mulla Nasruddin wrote that he had begun teaching the ass of speaking, and the shah had already signed a detailed work schedule.
  31. Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 4 January 2019 20: 35
    +1
    In total, the implementation of the project is estimated at 1,5 trillion rubles.
    For a good fee, Khoja Nasreddin took over twenty years to teach donkey literacy. ... When asked Nasruddin how he took such a risk, he replied: - It's okay. In twenty years, either the donkey will die, or the emir will die, or I will die!
  32. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2019 21: 35
    +1
    Quote: slipped
    Old 26, you certainly more people rummaging in space than the rest, but

    Quote: Old26
    The control system was probably Kharkov.


    Pilyuginsky did the SU of parablocks as well as Zenit NTSAP. But today it is already outdated. At "Irtysh" SU now NPOA is going to do, which is generally correct, since they have excellent cooperation with "Progress" on "Soyuz".

    Happy New Year, comrade !. Thank you, of course, for the assessment of knowledge, but this is so-called residual. The last time was on business trips in Leninsk and in Star City 30 years ago. Of course, from what I knew and remembered (of course, within the scope of what was related to my official duties), quite a lot was erased. Therefore, I have mistakes and inaccuracies, and outdated knowledge
  33. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 5 January 2019 00: 17
    +2
    The Roskosmos budget is 186 billion - $ 3 billion, we are doing quite a lot for this budget: these are the ISS, the spectrum series satellites, glonass, we support the production of rockets and ships. For comparison, spaceics (they are market leaders, producing only rockets and ships) has an annual budget of 2,5 billion and no social obligations. I sometimes make details for Roskosmos enterprises, there are familiar companies that work only for them and I can say with full responsibility that a complete kapets is going on. In general, every time I am surprised that when something starts up and that it works. But the worst is no prospects (in any case, I have not come across competent and promising work for the future). It seems that everyone in this corporation needs a process, not a result. These trillions will be cut for more than a dozen years and a completely outdated rocket will fly (at the cost of launching). And how sad it is, why do we need it? Fly around the moon, let’s even sit down. It cost the Americans about 150 billion, now let it be 3 times cheaper, how much will you need to save? Or is our economy rushing and we will all pull in the future? I’m silent about Mars, there you need to multiply the amount by at least 3
    1. prior
      prior 5 January 2019 11: 27
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      Thanks for the expanded comment. I fully agree with you.
      In my commentary, I tried a little higher to formulate a similar opinion with one phrase, but it turned out rather rudely, they threw down the cons.
  34. Vasili09
    Vasili09 5 January 2019 07: 35
    0
    In a Twitter account, Dmitry Rogozin wrote that the Russian rocket and space industry had begun to create the RSK Yenisei, and a detailed schedule of work had already been signed.

    - and at what stage do the work take place?
    - so far only the name has been invented
  35. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 6 January 2019 00: 55
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    Also write down the entire aerodrome circle of Orsk. We are dreamers - cooler than you, and rockets fly - much closer.