Will the Japanese hold a referendum on the Kuril Islands?

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On the first day of the new year, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe made a curious statement. In an interview with Asahi, he announced that the transfer of the southern part of the Kuriles to Japan would be carried out taking into account the wishes of the Russian inhabitants of the territories that Tokyo considers controversial.





He stressed that there is no talk of deportation or other forced eviction in the event of the transfer of the islands of Japan, and negotiations "initially do not go from the position of" get out of here. "

“This should be done in such a way that the Russians living there agree with the transition of belonging to Japan,” Abe quoted TASS.

By achieving the positions of Kurilians desirable for Tokyo, the Japanese Prime Minister considers the implementation of the concept of joint economic activity. Obviously, we are talking about the involvement of residents in the work of Japanese enterprises on particularly favorable conditions and the granting of citizenship to the country of the rising sun. Or the organization of resettlement is not willing to go under the authority of Tokyo to other Russian territories with good lifting.

Well, or some other variant of the actual bribery of Russians living on the islands. How they should agree to change the nationality of their small homeland, in the form of a referendum or otherwise, Abe did not explain.



Speech by the Japanese leader caused immediate feedback in Moscow. In particular, Russian Senator Franz Klintsevich expressed astonishment at Abe’s speech.

“The transfer of the so-called northern territories to Japan is out of the question. And the point is not only that the US missile defense can appear on the islands overnight, which have not only a defensive purpose. The question is much more important, "- wrote the senator on Facebook, recalling that we are talking about the inviolability of the borders of Russia and its security in the broadest terms.



A little earlier, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, Yuri Shvytkin, declared that the Japanese claims were insolvent.

“We need to once again designate that the Kuril Islands are the territory of the Russian Federation. At the same time, we have the right to dispose of our territory as we see fit, ”said the parliamentarian.



But how, then, to understand Shinzo Abe’s public reflections on the topic “how to arrange the Southern Kuriles” and what will be the fate of Russian citizens on the islands? Judging by the text of his speech, he does not even admit that at least Shikotan Island and the Habomai Ridge will go to Japan in the foreseeable future. Is the Japanese prime minister, like the notorious head of another country neighboring Russia, functioning in a different reality?

However, this is not at all the inadequacy of the Japanese leader. Recall that last December, the head of the Foreign Ministry of Russia explicitly stated that he allowed the transfer of Russian territories to Japan under certain circumstances.



Sergei Lavrov said that Russia is ready to transfer part of the Kuril Islands to Japan, subject to recognition of the outcome of the Second World War. And this speech of the head of the foreign ministry was disavowed or not refuted.

On the contrary, presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov noted that a compromise would be required on the Southern Kuriles issue (before the Kremlin rejected the very existence of such a “question”). However, he ruled out the possibility of "automatic transfer of the islands to the Japanese side." That is, the transfer is not automatic, so to speak, in manual mode, yet allowed?

Is it any wonder that after such statements Abe, as they say, rolled his lip? Moreover, it is possible that this is only the visible part of the “iceberg” - those negotiations that are going (may be going) in this direction.

However, this raises the suspicion that the state organism of our country suffers from a dissociative identity disorder, or more simply, a split personality. In fact, a representative of the executive branch speaks of the reality of the transfer of the islands, while lawmakers categorically reject such a possibility. What's the matter?

The right hand does not know what the left one is doing? Or is someone deliberately deceiving: the minister of the Japanese, or the senator - the electorate?

Misleading the Russian public would be completely understandable. After all, the absolute majority of our fellow citizens are categorically against any territorial concessions, and consider the transfer of part of the Kuriles to be a betrayal.

Will the Japanese hold a referendum on the Kuril Islands?


But to drive the nose of the Japanese hardly makes any sense. Suppose that Sergey Lavrov “feeds breakfast” in Tokyo in order to reduce the activity of Japanese participation in aggressive programs directed against our country.

If so, then it can be argued that the trick did not work. Since in the same December 2018, Tokyo adopted a national defense strengthening program, according to which our country is regarded as the main potential adversary.

“The United States remains the strongest power, however, competition between states is increasing, and we recognize the importance of strategic rivalry with Russia and China, which challenge the regional order,” the program says.



It is also indicated that in the context of solving this task, two Aegis Ashore missile defense complexes are being deployed in the country, which Vladimir Putin rightly called suitable for launching ground-to-ground missiles. One of them will be located in the northern prefecture of Akita, that is, it is aimed against us.

That is, the version regarding Tokyo’s deliberately misleading is unlikely, especially since such steps in international politics are more detrimental than good.

According to Sergey Lavrov, during the negotiations in Singapore, the parties decided to conclude a peace treaty on the basis of the Soviet-Japanese agreement 1956 of the year, according to which Russia should hand over Japan to Habomai and Shikotan Island. Lavrov noted that Moscow always follows international law, but the details of the deal have yet to be discussed.

However, in connection with this, it is not bad to remember why it was in 1956’s year that Khrushchev didn’t manage to turn this treacherous combination, with which he hoped to wrest Japan from American influence.

Contrary to his hopes that after such a generous concession, the Japanese would quickly complete the negotiations (until the Russians changed their minds), they presented a new draft treaty. It envisaged the “return” of Japan to all the Kuriles, right up to Kamchatka, and to South Sakhalin. Moreover, the Japanese government made claims on certain “rights” to fishing in the areas adjacent to the territorial waters of the USSR.



That is, the unjustified decision of Khrushchev to make territorial concessions to Japan led to the opposite result. As it happened before in the Russian-Japanese relations, Tokyo perceived the proposed compromise not as a generous gesture of goodwill, but as a signal to toughen the territorial requirements imposed on the Soviet Union. Especially since this tightening was supported by the Americans.

“N.S. Khrushchev reject sovereignty over part of the Kuril Islands in favor of Japan was a rash, voluntaristic act ... Japan’s concession to part of Soviet territory, to which Khrushchev went without permission of the USSR Supreme Soviet and Soviet people, destroyed the international legal basis of the Yalta and Potsdam agreements and contradicted the San Francisco to the peace treaty in which Japan’s refusal from South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands was recorded, ”a member of the Soviet delegation wrote later to London x talks Academician Sergei Tikhvin.

As you know, Alaska and the Russian possessions in California sold for a certain amount (the gold rush has not yet begun there). And what does the Russian Foreign Minister expect to receive today from this dubious deal?

Japan is no less interested in economic cooperation with Russia than we are. Regardless of whether a peace treaty is concluded or not. Guided, as before, the Japanese will only benefit. To count on gratitude is highly naive: there is no such thing in world politics.



Earlier, Abe said that the conclusion of a peace treaty between Tokyo and Moscow is necessary for regional stability. However, for regional stability, we need not so much some kind of agreement, which at any moment may turn out to be a piece of paper, but the real demilitarization of Japan and the removal from its territory of American bases that threaten not only our country, but also China and the DPRK.

The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry noted that it was important that for Japan the conclusion of a peace treaty would mean recognition of the outcome of the Second World War. This is an "integral step" in any negotiations on the Kuril Islands, according to Lavrov, who, it must be assumed, considers such recognition so important that he is ready to give the Russian islands for him.



Recall that this recognition has already taken place. After the signing of the so-called Petersburg treatise 1875, the Kuril Islands, in exchange for recognition of Sakhalin by the Russian territory, passed to Japan.

Alexander II naively believed that Japan would become Russia's peaceful and calm neighbor. When the Japanese, justifying their claims, refer to the 1875 contract of the year, for some reason they forget about his first article: "... the eternal peace and friendship between the Russian and Japanese empires will be established in the future." This point, as we see, is contradicted even by the national defense strengthening program adopted by Tokyo last December and defining our country as the main enemy.

Be that as it may, but after the deal of Alexander II, Russia actually lost access to the Pacific Ocean. Japan had the opportunity at any time to begin a sea blockade of Sakhalin and the whole of Far Eastern Russia (it will receive the same opportunity today if the islands are handed over to it).

As is known, in the 1904 year, Japan treacherously attacked Russia, and when concluding a peace treaty in Portsmouth in 1905, the Japanese side demanded that Sakhalin Island be indemnified from Russia.



To the indication that this requirement is contrary to the 1875 agreement of the year, the Japanese replied: "The war cancels all the treaties, you were defeated and let us proceed from the current situation."

But even without historical excursions, the value and inviolability of treaties in today's world are demonstrated by the main friends of Tokyo - the Americans. And I would not place high hopes on the recognition of the results of World War II. Today the Japanese recognize them, but tomorrow they won't.

Moreover, the war against our country, for which the Japanese, in alliance with the Americans, are intensively preparing today, will once again "cancel all treaties."



So is it worth exchanging for a scrap of paper the most important in the military, geopolitical and economic sense of the island, inhabited by Russian people?
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  1. +6
    3 January 2019 06: 09
    Something he is running ahead of the engine is probably sick! laughing
    1. +30
      3 January 2019 06: 34
      Something we rush about with Russian "goodwill", like a cat and a mouse. I looked at the documentary on detachment 731 ... Who wants to - check out:

      Do these kind Japanese want territories? Has the population grown or have ambitions grown? If you do not calm down, you can help, like the Americans in 1945 ...
      1. +17
        3 January 2019 07: 06
        Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe <…> the transfer of the southern part of the Kuriles to Japan will be carried out taking into account the wishes of the Russian residents of territories that Tokyo considers controversial.

        Abe is completely insolent! Shores lost! Intervenes in plain text under the wing of the United States in the internal affairs of Russia!

        And if Russia offers the people of Alaska to hold a referendum on the reunification of Alaska with Russia? What would Abe say to this?
        1. +19
          3 January 2019 07: 12
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do these kind Japanese want territories? Has the population grown or have ambitions grown?

          Japan is occupied by the United States. And behind the shoulders of the puppets Abe are the United States.
          1. +9
            3 January 2019 18: 14
            Quote: Tatiana
            Japan is occupied by the United States. And behind the shoulders of the puppets Abe are the United States.

            Therefore, the owner of Japan pedals this topic, he needs the islands. Going further, I recently said that I was worried, the fact that our Foreign Ministry was silent, and our guarantor, and the senators may say that you want nobody to listen to them, and as a result, I would say to the Japanese with their words.
            To indicate that this requirement is contrary to the treaty of 1875, the Japanese responded: “The war crosses out all treaties, you were defeated and let's proceed from the current situation”.
            And in Russian from a dead donkey their ears. But will our courage in the Foreign Ministry have enough of such an act? or will they continue to stir up the water? The meaning of this peace treaty then? Toilet paper is more useful than this A4 paper.
            1. +3
              3 January 2019 23: 38
              The meaning of this peace treaty then?
              But not just a treaty, but a treaty as a recognition of the outcome of World War II. From the text of the article
              Russia is ready to transfer part of the Kuril Islands to Japan, subject to the recognition of the results of World War II.
              And according to the results of World War II, the Kuril Islands are the territory of the USSR (read: Russia). If the Japanese recognize the results of WWII, then they actually recognize the Kuril Islands as Russian, which means they can’t DEMAND them (as illegally rejected). And they can only ask, and if they ask, we can legally refuse, we can put forward conditions, etc. etc.
              Now, the Japanese consider the islands to be illegally torn away, and therefore insist on their return.
              We offer them all that it is necessary to recognize the results of WWII, after which they lose the already legal right to demand and insist. bully
        2. +9
          3 January 2019 07: 37
          Overtone window in action.
        3. +19
          3 January 2019 08: 56
          It’s time to bring counter-territorial claims to Japan on the island of Hokkaido, which belonged to the Ainu living on Sakhalin.
          It’s completely overgrown.
          To transfer territories to the enemy in the pre-war period is akin to surrender without war.
        4. 0
          3 January 2019 10: 15
          [quote = Tatyana] And if Russia proposes to the people of Alaska to hold a referendum on the reunification of Alaska with Russia? [/ Is it very soon, wait
        5. +3
          3 January 2019 10: 17
          Quote: Tatiana
          Abe is completely insolent! Shores lost! Intervenes in plain text under the wing of the United States in the internal affairs of Russia!

          This is precisely how information provocations are carried out and pressure is exerted on the protest electorate, fomenting hysteria and hatred of the Russian authorities. Is it really so serious things are done? They become silent! Example - in the morning they woke up and saw polite, but very serious green men and the Russian flag over the building of the Council of Ministers of Crimea! All!
        6. +10
          3 January 2019 11: 28
          And if Russia offers !? She was already offered in the 90s. She did not refuse. Why should she refuse now? Why are TORs invented? Why is the issue of TORs not discussed at the HE? Ban?
          1. +14
            3 January 2019 16: 49
            Quote: Mr Credo
            And if Russia offers !? She was already offered in the 90s. She did not refuse. Why should she refuse now? Why are TORs invented? Why is the issue of TORs not discussed at the HE? Ban?

            Unfortunately, there are many things that are not discussed at VO.
            I would like to.
            I repeat. If Putin and Lavrov did not give Aba hope for these islands, he would not have made such statements.
            In my opinion, this issue has already been resolved. And we are being prepared for this. Gradually. So that we are accustomed and not particularly indignant.
        7. +7
          3 January 2019 15: 18
          "And what if Russia proposes to the Alaska population to hold a referendum on the reunification of Alaska with Russia? "
          The population of Alaska will unanimously respond with a famous American gesture.
        8. +2
          3 January 2019 16: 32
          What would Abe say to this?

          But nothing! The result of such a referendum is known with probability 0, (9). In principle, he may even support this idea.
        9. +8
          3 January 2019 21: 38
          Tatyana! If VV Putin did not flirt with Shinzo Abe, then this would not have happened ... Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also contributed to this! Dedicated to them:

          "Having betrayed once - more than once,
          Once having lied - he will lie and twice,
          Although the lie is not put on display,
          But everyone can not avoid it.

          Betrayal, swallowing bitter venom,
          Hopefully, it will not happen again,
          Not understanding, the one who is to blame,
          Betrayed yet, giving us a hundredfold.

          Treachery is trying to cover up,
          But do not hide what is obvious,
          And it is unlikely that the heart will be able to forget
          Actions for which we are ashamed.

          There is a lie for good sometimes,
          But more often the one that covers cowardice,
          Only, the truth, making their way through the years
          From the depth of lies outward creeps out.

          Betrayal in betrayal will die,
          And a lie about a lie will sometime be broken,
          And only the fate of the exposed account-
          You will have to pay for everything in full. "

          There are many examples and this is true: the surrender of land and water in the North of Russia to Norway, the surrender and betrayal of the allies - Gaddafi ... and this is not the end list!
          1. 0
            8 January 2019 12: 28
            Quote: SETTGF
            betrayal of the allies - Gaddafi ... and this is not the end list!

            Russia had no obligation to defend Libya and Gaddafi! Why are you all so eager to give a shit about Russia? .
        10. -1
          4 January 2019 16: 43
          With the east you need to behave subtly ..
          They can't right away: "From a dead donkey their ears, and not ..." ... but not the Kuril Islands ...
          Too impressionable and right away .. "" Harakiri (Japanese 腹 切 り), or seppuku (Japanese 切腹) (literally "ripping open the abdomen") - ritual suicide by cutting the belly .. "
        11. -4
          5 January 2019 14: 21
          One hundred and eighty-eight percent of them (Alaska residents) would answer - "No way and Never!" And regarding the referendum, I think that people living on these islands would gladly accept Japan's proposals. After all, a person's life is ONE. And here they are offered all sorts of benefits. Patriots - rub it down. If I were the president of Russia, I would think about what can be done so that the citizens of Russia living in these territories would not vote for Japan's proposal. Or, if you still can't do anything - give up the islands, with the condition of signing a peace treaty, Japan's recognition of Crimea as part of Russian territory, well, 1 trillion. dollars, so to speak, to cover the losses.
        12. 0
          6 January 2019 08: 40
          On this occasion, we are more interested in the opinion of Trump. And Abe’s opinion will be interesting about the referendum on joining Hokkaido to Russia.
      2. +5
        3 January 2019 08: 31
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Has the population grown or have ambitions grown?

        It's just that the United States, with the hands of the Japanese, wants to block our access to the Pacific Ocean. In this regard, Japan should be treated like Poland or the Baltics. In general, "The dog barks, but the caravan moves on."
        1. +11
          3 January 2019 10: 22
          Most likely, something has already been planned about the Kuriles .... oh, it was not for nothing that they came up with "TOP-s" ("territories of advanced development") ..... wink
        2. +7
          3 January 2019 10: 41
          The United States has nothing to do with it. But Miller’s interests are very much in the least. The territory here is just a bargaining chip.
      3. +7
        3 January 2019 12: 31
        to bring the Japs to a sense of reality, they would not be hurt by a small tsunami with a height of some 10 meters, and the "guarantor" (who, after a dastardly raising of the retirement age, and so the people's confidence has fallen), would not hurt to stop chewing politically correct snot and say directly Peace - ears from the herring to you, not the Kuriles! ... or are they again preparing a big podlyana for the whole of Russia and the People ????
        1. Alf
          +8
          3 January 2019 17: 34
          Quote: Alexander Bushuev
          and the "guarantor" (who, after a dastardly raising of the retirement age, and so the people's confidence has fallen), it would not hurt to stop chewing politically correct snot and say directly and to the whole world - ears from a herring to you, not the Kuriles! ...

          He can only say, "the circumstances have changed."
      4. +4
        3 January 2019 21: 43
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Something we rush about with Russian "goodwill", like a cat and a mouse. I looked at the documentary on detachment 731 ... Who wants to - check out:

        Do these kind Japanese want territories? Has the population grown or have ambitions grown? If you do not calm down, you can help, like the Americans in 1945 ...

        No, our government and the Foreign Ministry allow us to rant on this topic and interpret it. Or maybe just the population is slowly preparing for the fact that these islands will be transferred to Japan?
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    1. +22
      3 January 2019 07: 43
      They want in exchange for the islands to get permission to keep their money in Japanese banks with a guarantee of account security
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  3. +8
    3 January 2019 06: 44
    The impudence of the Japanese rolls over. They probably thought that if karate schools were open all over Russia and someone was running in a kimono in 60 for more than a few years, then the Russians were ready to surrender to the Japanese with all their giblets. Let Russia give Hokkaido as the main island of the Kuril ridge, and we will not evict the Japanese from there.
    1. +11
      3 January 2019 07: 48
      Urgently to some Zhirinovsky to voice the theses:
      1. The Japanese islands are a natural continuation of the Kuril ridge, which means that an integral part of the Far Eastern Federal District, temporarily torn away.
      2. The centuries-old genocide of the Ainu should be condemned by the international community in general and the UN in particular.
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    3. +27
      3 January 2019 09: 09
      I do not agree with my colleague 1536.
      This is not the impudence of the Japanese that rolls over, but the open-mindedness of the authorities, demonstrating the provincial style of foreign policy that is deeply offensive to our people. Checks, balances, advances, reverences, promises in the hope of the enemy’s stupidity .... Against the background of the arrogant, harsh behavior of the United States, which managed to settle in the minds as though condemned, but the example of foreign policy, Russia's policy towards Japan is a manifestation of a short-sighted farm trick capable of triggering the collapse of the country. And what should I think? What does the guarantor achieve? And that the stuffing about the division of Russia into 14 territories was not accidental. Divided the country between his - so, right? The Kuril Islands are a touchstone. If we swallow it, we will get fences, millions of unhappy former compatriots ... Should I think so?!?
      1. +13
        3 January 2019 14: 32
        You are right, dear.
        There is no smoke without fire, and Abe drowned out of nowhere.
        Apparently, he still has some information.
      2. +8
        4 January 2019 00: 35
        Quote: depressant
        Kuril Islands - touchstone

        Exactly! Soon we will be surprised to learn that Siberia and the Far East are no longer ours, but belong to our main partner - China. Remember how quietly and vilely shoved the laws on the TOPs? Just in time for the New Year. Collector of Russian Lands, he is like that.
    4. +8
      3 January 2019 10: 39
      subject to the recognition of the outcome of World War II.
      Japan signed the Surrender Act! So let him sit and sniff in 2 holes! What a confession!
      “War crosses out all treaties
      - here is a Japanese statement, and they lost the war!
    5. +17
      3 January 2019 11: 38
      Why the impudence of the Japanese rolls over? CMEA countries we surrendered voluntarily. Union republics voluntarily. Even Ukraine was given to the Americans without a fight! If Russia voluntarily surrendered so many of its territories, why should it tremble for these shreds? They handed over to the Americans the airfield in Ulyanovsk and nothing! Now we want to create TORs. And how does the TOR differ from the distribution of Kemsky volosts? What is given for money? So Alaska was the first TOP?
      1. +15
        3 January 2019 12: 50
        By the way, few people here at all delve into what TORs are ... But this is an interesting thing that, for example, what prevents to take, say, some oligarch from an offshore company for rent for these same 50 years with automatic renewal, and this oligarch will be there uncontrolled king and god. It's not even a "Kemsky volost" - it's how the king distributed the volosts to his boyars for feeding ...
      2. +1
        6 January 2019 10: 52
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Americans handed over the airfield in Ulyanovsk and nothing
        -before sending for Ulyanovsk-specify what was on By myself deed ..
        There were 7 landings at the international airport for refueling and receiving flight information, the crew (with the exception of specific individuals) did not leave the board
        The Americans thought it cost them too much Expensive (!!!!) and economically inexpedient cost of transported property and the topic was closed
        And then the screeching "NATO base in Ulyanovsk" ....
        1. 0
          7 January 2019 10: 20
          And how much propaganda was, how profitable it is for Russia! They will pay us bucks for this!
          1. 0
            8 January 2019 20: 46
            Quote: Mr Credo
            And how much propaganda was, how profitable it is for Russia! They will pay us bucks for this!
            That is, you do not know
            Quote: Mister Creed
            The Americans thought it was costs (!!!!) im too EXPENSIVE(!!!!) and economically inexpedient cost of transported property and the topic was closed

            They - as it may not seem strange to you - but for landing PAY !!!What a surprise ....
            1. 0
              10 January 2019 11: 22
              And who paid to whom? Are we for landing or are they for us? As far as I know, they paid us. ### They — as it may not seem strange to you — but they PAYED for landing !!! Here is surprise ### What is the ambiguous comment?
              1. +1
                10 January 2019 17: 15
                no ambiguities-for yourself answer
                Quote: Mr Credo
                As far as I know, they paid us.

                Quote: Mr Credo
                And how much was propaganda how Russia is profitable! They will pay us bucks for this!
  4. -2
    3 January 2019 06: 47
    On the first day of the new year, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe made a curious statement. In an interview with Asahi, he announced that the transfer of the southern part of the Kuril Islands to Japan will be carried out taking into account the wishes of the Russian residents of the territories,

    ... here and don’t go to your uncle, the roof of the Ipenz has fallen off, and there’s also New Year’s, I went through sake of it ... laughing
  5. +4
    3 January 2019 06: 53
    I don’t know if any of the readers mentioned the story of S. Lukyanenko "Fugu in a uniform" ..
    Funny still came out with his result. Two years have passed, and still laugh, as I recall. And it was necessary for the wit-Russophiles from the parliament to insert the third paragraph into the text ...
    “A referendum of Russian citizens on the issue of the territorial affiliation of the Kuril Islands Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai.
    1. I am in favor of transferring the above islands to the sovereignty of Japan.
    2. I am in favor of preserving the sovereignty of Russia over the above islands.
    3. I am in favor of transferring Russia to the sovereignty of Japan. ”
    How they had fun, parliamentarians of the last convocation, voting for the third paragraph! Show the absurdity of the entire referendum! Our islands! Our! Forever and ever! Ahhhhhh! Ninety-seven percent? Ahhhhhhhh!
    It would be interesting to know what the inhabitants of the islands think, those who live on them ... An interesting study will turn out ...
    1. +6
      4 January 2019 14: 04
      I ran here for a moment)))
      The question was asked below - “It would be interesting to find out what the inhabitants of the islands think, those who live on them ... An interesting study will turn out ...”
      Well, I now live in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, and not in the Kuril Islands, although I was born there. But there are many acquaintances in all the islands. And Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk is still the political center of the region.
      And here is what I want to tell you. The whole island is very disapproved of. If you need links - drop it. But there is no panic as such. All local (I emphasize - local) politicians (and not only them) were brought up at the Victory over Japan. There are no questions at all. And from our regional Duma, although most of the EP is there - demands are flying all the way to return the Victory Day holiday over Japan. And the action “Far Eastern Victory” came precisely from us. And that’s just why we know about the contents of the said declaration, which most of you still haven’t read. And therefore they do not know that for Japan it is not feasible in principle.
      Well, Abe is solving some of his questions. His advisers are probably not fools.
      Japan is a beautiful country, of course, it was neighbors in it))) But this is Japan. Although beautiful, but still not her own. She is for the Japanese. And Hokkaido is a Japanese island, there is no need to fool around. There are no Ainu in Sakhalin for a long time - read the history of the issue.
      As for Khrushchev, it is likely that he is rarely hated where more than on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, he shit here without this declaration.
      There are a lot of problems in the Kuril Islands. But over the past 20 years, the Kuril Islands have changed. Yes, almost any city in the country will envy what was being built in Kurilsk, Yuzhno-Kurilsk, Malokurilsky and Krabozavodsky.
      By the way, here, too, there was an ironic reference about who will participate in the referendum in the Kuril Islands - “If only among the Iwashi herring, then most of them left those lands.
      So, Iwashi is already returning to our region. This is about half a million tons of protein per year. The resource is in demand all over the world. And under this, powerful plants have already been built on Shikotan and Kunashir. And I won’t even talk about anything else)))
      And by the way, last year Lukyanenok stopped in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk)))
      1. +1
        4 January 2019 14: 14
        I apologize, of course, to Sergey Lukyanenko.
      2. 0
        4 January 2019 15: 05
        Thanks for the very complete and interesting answer.
  6. +4
    3 January 2019 06: 56
    "Will the Japanese hold a referendum in the Kuril Islands?"

    If only among the Iwashi herring, so for the most part she left those lands.
  7. +20
    3 January 2019 07: 06
    And what, for this government has something to do with the Russian population? It seems to me that in the event of the transfer of the islands, the Japanese promised their POSSIBLE recognition of Crimea as Russian. So you look, and the "friends" the Chinese will be ready to consider the issue of the POSSIBLE recognition of Crimea as Russian in exchange for half of Siberia. At this point, the Finns will catch up with a similar proposal about the ownership of Crimea by Russia in exchange for Karelia.
  8. +21
    3 January 2019 07: 07
    "What are you, s.u.k.i.n son of an impostor, are you squandering the state land? !! So you won't get enough of any volosts ..." (c) hf "Ivan Vasilyevich, is changing his profession" ...
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  9. 0
    3 January 2019 07: 23
    And I liked the last phrase in the article about "a piece of paper"!
    Well, right on the Shilkgruber!
  10. +13
    3 January 2019 07: 56
    So is it worth it to exchange for a piece of paper the most important in the military, geopolitical and economic sense of the island inhabited by Russian people? Here is a piece of paper all these contracts. And the chatter of our Sand Laurels is annoying.
  11. +2
    3 January 2019 08: 20
    Again, the pro-Kremlin naughty)))))
  12. +4
    3 January 2019 08: 26
    The Japanese are the invaders, they are the losing side. There can be no reasoning from these killers and perverts about the fate of the population and the islands. They do not tolerate anyone, neither Russians, nor Aleuts, nor Chinese. All this nonsense about "transferring the islands" is worth nothing.
    1. +6
      3 January 2019 11: 49
      They lost the USSR. Then the USSR became the losing side. So they press on the losing side. If Russia were a winner, then it would set conditions. Categorical NO Russia does not speak. So the bidding is going on.
      1. +2
        3 January 2019 14: 04
        Then the USSR became the losing side.

        Do not repeat stupid things. Nobody took Moscow and did not sign the act of surrender of the USSR.
        1. 0
          4 January 2019 11: 54
          Moscow was handed back as far back as the 90s. Was there a little CIA agent there then? Gorbachev who handed over the territory? EBN about his victory to whom reported?
  13. +2
    3 January 2019 08: 41
    In 45 we didn’t massively bring them to Harakiri, then we had to take away Hokkaido from them by force of arms! !!!!!!
    1. +5
      3 January 2019 11: 52
      And in the 90s, they brought us to the purchase of used cars and electronics from them. And what can we offer them today? Gas? And is that all we have? And what can they offer?
      1. +2
        3 January 2019 14: 20

        And in the 90s, they brought us to the purchase of used cars and electronics from them.

        We brought ourselves to this. Rather, characters like Chubais and Gaidar under the strict guidance of the labeled and E.B.N.
        And what can we offer them today? Gas?

        Yes, a lot of things ... The most important thing: we can offer not a repetition of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
        And is that all we have?

        No, not all ... "Vanguard" is still there ...
        1. Alf
          +3
          3 January 2019 17: 39
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          The vanguard "still exists ...

          Vanguard is good. Just to have the courage to press the Big button when needed ...
          1. 0
            3 January 2019 21: 18
            The button is the last argument .... Response-counter ....
            1. +1
              4 January 2019 11: 57
              If up to the button the arguments are only in the form of concern, then the button will be gone. There is no spirit for less, much less for more.
      2. +1
        4 January 2019 01: 17
        Quote: Mister Creed
        And in the 90s, they brought us to the purchase of used cars and electronics from them.

        PURCHASE !!! WE PURCHASED THEIR GOODS FOR MONEY
        IT ALSO WAS FAVORABLE
        1. +1
          4 January 2019 12: 02
          Money is only the top layer of the question. Today, we also buy from the Japanese for money. The whole point is the rejection of economic defense. After that, there is no military defense. As a result, we merge into their world. This is clearly seen in the states. All foreigners have joined their economies.
  14. +1
    3 January 2019 08: 48
    He stressed that the deportation or other forced eviction in the case of the transfer of the islands of Japan is not

    Or the organization of the resettlement of those who do not want to transfer under the rule of Tokyo to other Russian territories

    That is, this monkey already believes that on any island in the yupps? belay
    Send it in Russian far and for a long time !!! angry
    1. 0
      3 January 2019 11: 53
      In 1905, the Japanese already sent Russia. Then Gorbachev sent Russia.
  15. +11
    3 January 2019 08: 54
    If there is such a methodical information background, then the decision on the OFFER has been made. And there the same Klintsevich will trumpet about the Japanese "pension reform".
    1. +7
      3 January 2019 13: 43
      It looks like the decision to transfer the islands has already been made, there is a bargaining on their number and details. Apparently, the Japanese prime minister is going to Moscow on January 21 to bargain about details. https://ria.ru/20190101/1548971483.html?utm_source=ria.24smi.info&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=2515&utm_content=2020834 sad
      1. +7
        3 January 2019 13: 55
        This option is possible: 2 islands are transferred immediately after the signing of the notorious "peace treaty", the rest two (or whatever) will receive TOP status for 50 years, followed by a referendum on joining Japan (it's not in vain that Abe is talking about the referendum).
        1. +6
          3 January 2019 14: 20
          Under a normal ruler, only one option is possible: the Americans are removed from the Japanese islands and, after 50-t years, two islands from the South Ridge are transferred to Japan. Only one! And with the obligations that there will be no military bases on these islands. Neither Japanese nor foreign. Clearly and legally competently fixing this in a peace treaty.
          If the these give Japan in any form at least one stone of the ridge, then we, the people of Russia, must demand a referendum on the recognition of the legitimacy of the supreme power of Russia. And get it done!
          1. Alf
            +6
            3 January 2019 17: 40
            Quote: NordUral
            then we, the people of Russia, need to demand a referendum on the recognition of the legitimacy of the supreme power of Russia. And get it done!

            They have already demanded about pensions; the Supreme has lowered this demand to the toilet.
            1. 0
              3 January 2019 17: 58
              Nothing, not yet evening. And you can flush the toilet, not just the requirements.
          2. +1
            3 January 2019 22: 27
            Under normal rule, a video is demoing for the Japanese, so what will happen to their islands if either they or the Americans rock the boat in our direction. A normal ruler accumulates national wealth and land, and does not squander it. Abe doesn't just say that. But if, nevertheless, a transfer occurs, then our rulers will not be saved by their friends in the power structures. And the militias will appear on the islands
  16. 0
    3 January 2019 09: 10
    In an interview with Asahi, he announced that the transfer of the southern part of the Kuril Islands to Japan will be carried out taking into account the wishes of the Russian residents of the territories that Tokyo consider controversial.
    Tricky move. But we have many means to make it meaningless
    1. +2
      3 January 2019 17: 59
      Finely, he, somehow, could offer it to all citizens of Russia.
  17. +12
    3 January 2019 09: 33
    Abe is already acting as a host. That's all, because ours give cause. There would be no reason, I would not say.
  18. +5
    3 January 2019 10: 58
    To make such concessions means to betray your ally - the Pacific Fleet. In fact, then at any time it can be locked in the port. Well, plus the fishermen to the heap. If this goes on, then the Voronezh residents urgently need to leave the city (there are none of them!).
  19. 0
    3 January 2019 11: 10
    The guy was fixated ... The Japs had no other problems, apparently.
    1. +4
      3 January 2019 13: 37
      Quote: mavrus
      The guy went in cycles ...,

      Yes, it did not go in cycles. Yes Shinzo-san is just another, one of many Japanese prime ministers who inherit (and transmit) the solution to the "question of territories." And so for more than half a century. And looped ... looped, once again, local "klushepodobnyh". They threw them again, and they cackled again. This shit happens here every week. laughing As a result, we get a gallop kindergarten: "Aha, here we are, such and such, now they will give up the islands !!!! They have not given them up yet, but then they will certainly give them up, because they are bad - we know for sure! .." wassat Something like that.
      Quote: mavrus
      The Japs have no other problems, it seems.

      Left. Yes Dear Chairman Kim Jong-un will not let you lie. fellow
  20. wax
    +1
    3 January 2019 11: 39
    Russia cannot change the fact of surrender of Japan. If Japan does not want a peace treaty, then let it be: we do not plan to evict the Japanese from Hokkaido.
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  22. +1
    3 January 2019 12: 13
    In general, the question was posed incorrectly, what does Japan have to recognize the results of World War II, but do we need this? Or we ourselves are not sure if we won then. It is necessary to explain to the Japanese if they consider these islands to be their family, then let them come to work for them and even become semi-citizens of Russia and beat their distant ancestors into the land. And not otherwise. About which transfer of land there can be no question, otherwise just give a reason and distribution will begin! Our novices liberals will distribute everything just to please their masters from abroad! It is not with us that the lands have been collected, and not for us to distribute !!!
    1. -1
      4 January 2019 18: 10
      Sorry, just registered. I think Lavrov does not without reason require recognition of the results of WWII. This piece of paper will be very useful for us in the event of a new war (Japanese aggression), because according to the results of the Potsdam Conference, our Kurils, and that’s all, and both England and the United States put signatures on it and God forgive me like her ... France, i.e. . you understand what’s the matter ... Therefore, if war cannot be avoided anymore and Lavrov knows about it, then later on the new Nuremberg you can poke this piece of paper into the face of the Japs savoryly and ask in full. And of course, yes .., the price of this piece of paper is two islands, but I repeat if Lavrov already knows something, then God forbid. Yes, the article says that the Japanese in December adopted a program of defense of the country, in case of war (where Russia is designated as the likely enemy), and this is a cover for strategic facilities. pah pah pah.
  23. +11
    3 January 2019 12: 19
    Lavrov survives from the mind? It's time to retire to America to retire.
  24. +5
    3 January 2019 12: 45
    We already have one foreign ministry official from sunny Georgia "unfastened" a huge piece to the Amers, the second Norwegians handed over the fishing areas, this is not counting a huge part of the Russian lands and people, for some reason suddenly imagining themselves states, 3 conspirators of a traitor in a drunken delirium from the country into the arms of "partners" who were stunned by such generosity, respectively, having received a hostile environment, devastated lands and future problems on their own territory and with their own people. This is not counting the fact that gold mines, deposits and enterprises by entire industries are actively and in a hurry sold almost for nothing. At the same time, prices for everything are growing, people are becoming impoverished.
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  26. 0
    3 January 2019 13: 54
    Does Russia consider territories controversial? It seems that we are not arguing with them .. We are only for it. For joint ventures, ecology, tourism ... And where does the American base on our islands, we don’t need this good ..
  27. +12
    3 January 2019 14: 06
    I will not comment on the article. I will offer only one thing - in case of transferring at least one stone from the Kuril chain to Japan, we need to demand a referendum on the legitimacy of the supreme power. And to achieve all the people holding it.
  28. +5
    3 January 2019 14: 07
    Will the Japanese hold a referendum on the Kuril Islands?

    deportation or other forced eviction

    Brothers are Japanese! Well, if you got so drunk in the Kremlin that you are holding a referendum with us ... For Christ’s sake, first hold a referendum in Russia on the deportation of our entire elite ... somewhere to your island. They will not mind ... and we are even more so.
  29. -2
    3 January 2019 14: 11
    Let the samurai buy a lip-cutting machine
  30. +3
    3 January 2019 14: 20
    Quote: Cheslav Tsursky
    Quote: Tatiana
    Abe is completely insolent! Shores lost! Intervenes in plain text under the wing of the United States in the internal affairs of Russia!

    This is precisely how information provocations are carried out and pressure is exerted on the protest electorate, fomenting hysteria and hatred of the Russian authorities. Is it really so serious things are done? They become silent! Example - in the morning they woke up and saw polite, but very serious green men and the Russian flag over the building of the Council of Ministers of Crimea! All!

    Lavrov didn’t have to open his mouth, then there would be no protests! And about the "green men" - the spirit of the author of this term E. Vasilyeva immediately breathed. Are you from her company? lol wassat
  31. +2
    3 January 2019 14: 26
    Well, I don’t know what we can promise on our part ... Do not bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki? ...
  32. +8
    3 January 2019 14: 50
    A postponed throw of this topic suggests that the issue of the return of the islands has been resolved positively. Atamans. People's opinion does not interest anyone.
    1. +1
      3 January 2019 19: 57
      And people were given other "themes". Pensions, Ukraine, Syria, "yellow vests" for example.
      Yes, and long vacations with a well-set fun on a box of people are given not to comprehend their mortal being, but to evade real problems in the Fatherland.
      Therefore, it is senseless to expect any intelligible reaction of the "electorate" to this action.
  33. 0
    3 January 2019 15: 14
    I don’t understand why this question should be raised. There is a winner and there is a winner, and there are the results of this victory. Now, when the p-n-dos do refuse the results of their victory and clear Japan of their presence on its territory, then we can think of us. And what kind of fashion do our traitors have for all to line up, why even remember the moron Khrushchev.
  34. 0
    3 January 2019 15: 21
    «Necessary again indicate that the Kuril Islands are the territory of the Russian Federation.

    Affiliation of the Kuril Islands has long been indicated by border posts and outfits ....
  35. +2
    3 January 2019 15: 22
    "The Japanese leader's speech drew immediate responses in Moscow. "
    And directly on the Kuril Islands, did it provoke responses? What kind? And then the Kuril Islands are discussed, and the responses from Moscow.
    1. +3
      3 January 2019 21: 30
      And in the Kuril Islands, partially people agree to leave for the Japanese. Because local hucksters spread rot. But unfortunately this will not help them, the Japanese retire oh how late and many live on benefits that are about the same as our pensioners. What is not enough to pay for housing. True, they are given social housing, but before that they have to stand in line. So not everything is as rosy as they draw, however, as always.
  36. -2
    3 January 2019 16: 12
    Closer and closer is the raising of the question that Hokkaido is the southern continuation of the Kuril ridge and Russia is ready to accept it under its jurisdiction. And the Germans should not forget that the Reichstag is in the eastern zone of occupation.
  37. +1
    3 January 2019 17: 03
    The Japanese all consider the Kuril Islands as the skin of a bear not killed by them. Not only all these conversations are conducted exclusively for their audience in order to distract it from other more important problems.
  38. 0
    3 January 2019 17: 07
    well, at least someone will live like people))))))) urgently needs to be privatized, land is expensive in Japan) and I think they will retain the right to private property.
  39. +4
    3 January 2019 17: 50
    But for our Guarantor this is a good opportunity to eat a fish and stay as a girl winked
    He resolves this referendum: he cannot refuse his citizens free will stop
    There are two possible consequences for smokers:
    1. Everything remains the same.
    2. a) they will become citizens of advanced Japan with all its benefits (and troubles)
    b) they will move to the Mainland with a delicious amount of Japanese lifting in your pocket.
    Option 2 will take place if the Japanese do not throw. And they can. And easily bully
    In any case, the Guarantor will declare that he is not in business: "It's not me! So, know-panimash, the local population decided! And we have a free country !!!" fellow "
    The result of the referendum in the presence of option No. 2 is easy to predict. Or does someone rely on the smokers' patriotism when the Japanese promise them such goodies?
    So the Kuril people will leave the Japanese, and the Guarantor will only part with his hands. But we have freedom and democracy! wassat
    And those ex-Kurilians who will remain in Russia will be blown away for this. How and to whom will they prove later that they voted against the transfer of the islands? Therefore, they will be outcasts and pariahs
    1. 0
      5 January 2019 10: 56
      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
      Option 2 will take place if the Japanese do not throw. And they can. And easily
      DO NOT throw. In this case, for sure. And the Japanese are not Indians or Chinese. In affairs and business are very pedantic.
      1. 0
        5 January 2019 16: 37
        I do not argue. If only because it is not very unprofitable for them.
  40. 0
    3 January 2019 19: 15
    I don’t even know what to tell him ... unless we’ll just recruit ... a bolt with a M60x600 thread - 6g ... for the whole face, not a referendum.
  41. +4
    3 January 2019 19: 25
    I have the same question all the time, and who is behind our politicians who have children in the West, property and not frail in the same place, etc., etc. .. And I admit that they, contrary to the will of the people , the existing constitution, etc. may well agree to commit another state betrayal ... !!! What Yeltsin asked someone, ruining the USSR in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and who he is with us today, they set up palaces for him, publicly glorify him, instead of judging him as a traitor, because he also wanted to spit on the constitution that existed at that time and the referendum on the USSR ... !!! How many lives did Yeltsin ruin, how much grief brought in 90 years and what, at least someone at the state level condemned this !!! ???? What is the difference between Maidan Poroshenko and Maidan Yeltsin, the parliament was shot by tanks and for whom they tried, correctly future oligarchs such as Berezovsky and other military men. Lavrov, after all, was not drunk when he said about the transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan, they check the reaction of the society with such stuffs, then Abe does not just reason and allegedly dares .... !!! ???? Only now you can surrender the Kuril Islands according to Lavrov, but what good will we achieve, because we have Japan in their military doctrine as an enemy, having received a couple more US military bases at our borders and complicating the conditions of existence for our Pacific Fleet, etc., etc., or for money and empty promises, you can sell your own mother ... !!!!
  42. +1
    3 January 2019 19: 37
    salty ears from a donkey instead of a smoker
  43. +6
    3 January 2019 19: 47
    Sergei Lavrov said that Russia was ready to transfer part of the Kuril Islands to Japan, subject to the recognition of the outcome of World War II.

    But this is a strategic mistake that should cost the Minister of Foreign Affairs a head. An official who violates the Constitution may not hold office. with all my positive attitude towards Lavrov. During an undeclared war by the West, a soft stance is not possible, because all that is soft is immediately chopped off and the West begins to demand a new sacrifice.
  44. -1
    3 January 2019 19: 49
    Well, they held a referendum in Crimea, and this complies with all the norms of international law, according to V.V. It's just that the majority of citizens of the Kuriles will prefer Japanese citizenship, rather than "great Russia")))
    1. -1
      5 January 2019 10: 57
      Quote: Tomic3
      It's just that the majority of Kuril citizens will prefer Japanese citizenship, rather than "great Russia"
      That will be so. Moreover, for their part, they will not even need to move anywhere. They just change the system around and may have to learn Japanese (however, there they teach it so many).
  45. +1
    3 January 2019 20: 51
    There is a cornerstone of our policy laid in January 1960 (Memorial Note of the Soviet Government of January 27, 1960) and no one has renounced it:
    "The Soviet government considers it necessary to declare that only subject to the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Japan and the signing of a peace treaty between the USSR and Japan the islands of Habomai and Sikotan will be transferred to Japan as provided for by the Joint Declaration of the USSR and Japan of October 19, 1956 ".

    "...only subject to the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Japan".

    I think that in our lifetime this will never happen !!!
  46. +2
    3 January 2019 20: 53
    The world has changed since the 1956 declaration. Russia surrounded by enemies, such a declaration. Although most likely no transfer of the islands was planned and never will be, they are simply stuffing fucking partners and their media influence agents in order to create an informational background and sow distrust in the government. But when there is no trust and a mess in the country, then the partners hope to get land, as the Japanese, American, and British occupiers, as well as White Poles, white whales, once torn our country in 1918. Then it is all the more necessary for both the Foreign Ministry and the president to clearly say that there will not be any transfer of the islands of Japan.
  47. 0
    3 January 2019 21: 04
    Quote: Uncle AU
    The Foreign Ministry and the President clearly say that there will be no transfer of the islands of Japan.

    An official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, stated that during negotiations on a peace treaty between Russia and Japan, the USSR requirement for the withdrawal of all American troops from Japan, as reflected in the memo dated January 27, 1960, should be taken into account:

    “Of course, within the framework of the negotiation process, a whole range of issues will be discussed, including security issues. At the same time, we proceed from the need to take into account all available diplomatic correspondence, including memorial notes of the Government of the Soviet Union of January 27 and February 24, 1960. "
  48. 0
    3 January 2019 21: 10
    Sergei Lavrov said that Russia is ready to transfer part of the Kuril Islands to Japan, subject to recognition of the outcome of the Second World War. And this speech of the head of the foreign ministry was disavowed or not refuted.
    And why disavow or refute it?
    It is clearly stated there subject to the recognition of the outcome of World War II. And what was the condition for the outcome of World War II? lol
    If they recognize the outcome, then ... bully
    In short, for them to recognize the outcome of World War II, it’s the same as making hara-kiri on the Kuril issue.
  49. 0
    3 January 2019 21: 26
    Let's just say while our troops are standing there, the Japanese can think what they want. If that just everyone politely asked. I hope so. But options are unfortunately possible.
  50. +6
    3 January 2019 21: 35
    Going to meet our partners ... Good neighborly relations ... International law ... Regional stability ... Peace treaty ... Foreign investment ... It seems that soon we wave the islands with a pen.
  51. +5
    3 January 2019 22: 42
    Upon taking office, the President of the Russian Federation takes an oath on a printed copy of the Constitution. When exercising the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, I swear to respect and protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, to observe and protect the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to protect sovereignty and independence, security and integrity of the state, faithfully serve the people.
    in case anyone forgot...
    1. +2
      5 January 2019 10: 58
      Our constitution has long been wiped out. So I don’t see any special problems here.
  52. +8
    3 January 2019 23: 36
    It will be like with the pension reform. Everyone is against it, but the Duma passed it and the president signed it. The same will happen with the islands. They will arrange a soft transition period and eventually the islands will go to Japan.
  53. +4
    3 January 2019 23: 44
    Quote: depressant
    Is that what I'm supposed to think?!?

    Should not!
    My Grandfather defended Moscow (as a cadet), went through the entire War, and after the Victory over Germany, he ended up in the second, with Japan.
    Surrender of the islands is a betrayal of memory, history, and conscience of the People!
    It’s better to let the authorities bury the remaining Veterans alive so that they don’t see such a shame.
  54. +3
    3 January 2019 23: 47
    Under no circumstances should you give anything away! This will create an extremely dangerous precedent for our country and, in general, will dramatically worsen our security. It’s better to simply strengthen defenses on the islands and stop talking about this topic altogether.
    1. Alf
      +1
      5 January 2019 16: 38
      Quote: andrew 07
      It’s better to simply strengthen defenses on the islands and stop talking about this topic altogether.

      We must first improve the lives of ordinary people on the islands so that they themselves want to stay in Russia.
  55. 0
    4 January 2019 00: 19
    Yes, these idiot samurai should be sent to the forest!!
    lost the war, then in 56 they refused to consider transferring two of the four islands (Khrushch’s “good will”), now they are setting some conditions for us...
    losers...
    they set conditions...
    to make peace...
    WE must give THEM territory...
    this is some kind of sur
  56. 0
    4 January 2019 00: 19
    Everything said above is correct. That’s why the GDP offered to sign the peace treaty without looking, since it provides for the neutral status of Japan, which they could not agree to due to the occupation of Japan.
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  58. +7
    4 January 2019 04: 38
    There is no smoke without fire, by all indications, the surrender of the Kuril Islands to the United States (naturally Japan will sign a worthless piece of paper called a “peace treaty”, but will not dispose of this territory) is a matter of time, by all indications the decision has been made (similar to Putin’s statement on pension reform). What about the referendum? what kind of referendum, the opinion of citizens with a Russian passport is of no interest to anyone, starting with the government of the Russian Federation, the State Duma. With deep regret, but the forecast does not work out differently. Time will tell.
    1. +6
      4 January 2019 06: 25
      By all indications, the decision has been made (by analogy with Putin’s statement on pension reform). What about the referendum? what kind of referendum, the opinion of citizens with a Russian passport is of no interest to anyone, starting with the government of the Russian Federation, the State Duma. With deep regret, but the forecast does not work out differently. Time will tell.

      I totally agree.
      Dear! What the majority of the Russian population thinks about the transfer of the islands is not interesting to any place of power!
      The authorities do what they want or consider necessary. The opinion of the people is the tenth question. Because the authorities absolutely do not care about the people.
      Therefore, if they want, they will give it away. And no one will ask anyone. And nothing will happen to anyone for transferring the islands. That's all.
      Many people will not like my point of view. Ready for a bunch of minuses.
  59. +1
    4 January 2019 07: 53
    “We need to emphasize once again that the Kuril Islands are the territory of the Russian Federation. At the same time, we have the right to dispose of our territory as we see fit,” the parliamentarian emphasized.
    so prepare glasses of champagne or funfiriki with a boyarka, soon we will raise toasts to a peace treaty with Japan, peace and harmony will finally come in Russian-Japanese relations, an era of prosperity will come, unprecedented economic growth, living standards and prosperity, even if only for now territories that will go to Japan, but not all at once, not all at once, first there, then in Kaliningrad, so little by little, little by little, and everything will get better
  60. 0
    4 January 2019 09: 00
    [media = https: //vk.com/video739341_167665137]
  61. +3
    4 January 2019 10: 31
    Transferring the islands to Japan is a betrayal beyond any doubt.
  62. +6
    4 January 2019 11: 05
    I remember an incident. At one time I studied to become a “construction battalion worker,” that is, an ASG engineer, and, of course, the curriculum included the subject “Sociology,” so to speak, to broaden the horizons and refine the minds of future builders. During one of the classes of this wonderful subject, the teacher, I don’t remember for what reason, raised the issue of the Kuril Islands. The essence of his verbal stream boiled down to the following:
    1) We absolutely do not need the Kuril Islands, because they are 4 uninhabitable islands;
    2) the “hook” for the islands is just the pseudo-imperial ambitions of the current government and its reluctance to integrate into “1st class” countries;
    3) the land has been grabbed for 300 years, but we cannot improve it;
    4) and the most important argument from his point of view - do you want to live there yourself?
    There was a double pair, with another group, that is, there were about 40 people in the audience. Why faces? But because I was the only one, well, really like the last one, who tried to fend him off. But to all my arguments like: the only ice-free strait between the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the ocean, huge deposits of rare-earth rhenium, the blood of fathers and grandfathers, and how to distribute “state-owned lands” in general, the liberal sophist-teacher gave a message to the points voiced above.
    And to hell with him! Something else struck me! It’s not even that I was the only one who started an argument, but the fact that a considerable part of my classmates (mostly fraudulent excellent students) nodded in agreement to his verbal diarrhea with their pumpkins on their shoulders!!!
    I think the motive for this agreement was the need to get a positive mark on the exam. Like sucked up. But the fact itself already says something. We will sell our homeland for chewing gum.
    Nevertheless, I received an “excellent” in the exam given by the provocateur teacher.
    1. +1
      8 January 2019 20: 55
      Quote: Dimas84
      4) and the most important argument from his point of view - do you want to live there yourself?
      -do you want it? Do the locals want it? Or will they, as soon as they save up money, head off from there to the mainland? By luring people somewhere with big money, you can’t force them to live there... It’s already happened more than once in our history...
  63. +1
    4 January 2019 21: 25
    The Guarantor must proceed from the fact that this is OUR LAND. And there can be no talk about transferring them to Japan.
  64. +1
    5 January 2019 11: 53
    -Why doesn’t this Abe hold a referendum among his own Japanese on closing the American base in Okinawa..???
    -All Japanese have long been against the existence of this base...
    -So why stick your nose into other people’s affairs... -settle your problems... -and don’t burrow into someone else’s territory... before your nose gets pinched...
  65. 0
    5 January 2019 15: 46
    rename the islands, no islands, no question!
  66. +1
    6 January 2019 00: 04
    The Japanese need the Russians. Detachment 731. For experiments.
  67. +1
    6 January 2019 08: 58
    Russia may negotiate with Japan regarding the islands of the Lesser Kuril chain (Shikotan and Habomai). At the same time, the conditions for the hypothetical transfer of these islands to Japan should be: 1) preliminary consent of Japan with the results of the Second World War and public renunciation of claims to the islands of the Great Kuril chain, including Iturup and Kunashir, as well as other Russian territories; 2) preliminary termination by Japan of the 1960 military treaty with the United States and the withdrawal of all foreign (American) armed forces from Japanese territory; 3) the preliminary conclusion of the “peace treaty” itself (Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation between Russia and Japan); 4) recognition by this treaty on the part of Japan of Russian sovereignty over its entire territory, including Crimea (specially stated in the treaty); 5) in the event of a subsequent voluntary transfer from Russia to Japan of the small Kuril ridge, recognition by Japan of Russia’s right to free economic activity in a two-hundred-mile economic zone around the islands in the Pacific Ocean; 6) recognition of the islands of the Lesser Kuril Ridge themselves as a demilitarized zone.
    1. 0
      6 January 2019 09: 12
      The likelihood of all this happening is very low. But negotiations are useful, at a minimum, because they: 1) undermine the relationship/trust between Japan and the United States; 2) restrain Japan in relation to anti-Russian policies (what the Japanese wrote in their defense doctrine is one thing, but real actions are quite another... there are still no American military bases on the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido and Russia would not want them appeared there).
      1. +1
        6 January 2019 16: 14
        The USSR fulfilled its obligations to its allies and received exactly what was stated in the Potsdam Agreements. Giving up the islands means recognizing the USSR and its foreign policy as criminal. Selling the islands to Japan is tantamount to starting a person’s trade in their organs, i.e. recognition of the hopelessness of the financial situation of those wishing to become a donor. Holding a referendum on the islands means giving an opportunity to part of the population of the Russian Federation to resolve issues of the integrity of the country for a bribe. But in any case, any conversations with Japan on the territorial issue are anti-constitutional activities and inaction of the bodies to protect the constitution.
        1. 0
          6 January 2019 17: 30
          On the Russian side, we are not talking about the “sale of the islands,” or a referendum regarding their status, or any “recognition of the criminality of the USSR’s foreign policy” (this is all nonsense, but the last statement is nonsense squared).
          Conditional negotiations on the “territorial issue” (in fact, Russia does not position them as “negotiations on the transfer of islands”, but only as a consideration of issues related to the well-known territorial claims of the Japanese side and the well-known declaration of the USSR in 1956 - and all this is being considered by the Russian side only as one of many items on the agenda of bilateral negotiations) are not “anti-constitutional activities”, but, on the contrary, serve to strengthen Russian influence. Russia doesn’t give up anything and doesn’t “leak” anything. That is, the Japanese side can, of course, “roll its lip,” but in the end it will not get what it wants to get (in fact, the Japanese government already understands this, but consoles itself with “faint glimmers of hope,” and most importantly, this is part internal political games with its own electorate - this is the main motive of the Japanese side). Russia is solving practical problems (these are the two geopolitical tasks that I mentioned above - containing hostility from Japan and playing on the contradictions between Japan and the United States, and many others - in particular, related to issues of economic cooperation), but is not going to seriously give even what Khrushchev promised at one time.
          1. 0
            6 January 2019 17: 48
            And the six points that I outlined above as conditions, I emphasize, for the hypothetical transfer of the islands (small ridge), are precisely the probable and most adequate negotiating position of Russia. But the Japanese side will not “subscribe” to these conditions in the foreseeable future. (My “The likelihood of all this happening is very small” implies exactly this). However, already the discussion of these conditions within the Japanese elite and, even more so, public discussion of them in Japanese society, is a blessing, because it gradually eradicates the harmful and ingrained illusions in their society about the need and reality of the “return of the northern territories” (if there are few in the Japanese elite For those who seriously believe in this, the picture is still different among ordinary Japanese, and these sentiments, in turn, dictate a certain public rhetoric of Japanese politicians). Instead, instead of discussing the phantom of the “northern territories” through the likely upcoming injection of Russian agenda items into the Japanese media, in Japanese society, the discussion of the real problems of limiting Japanese sovereignty by the United States will finally come to the forefront. And this, of course, will be in Russia’s interests. That is, before discussing the “problem of the northern territories,” let’s talk about the problem of the (lack of) sovereignty of Japan in general.
            And after you, gentlemen of the Japanese, achieve independence from the United States and remove American bases from your territory, we can move further on the agenda of our negotiations on the “problem of the northern territories.” Russia has time for this. Negotiations can continue (interrupting and resuming again) for three years, ten, twenty, or fifty years. As a result, the Japanese and Americans will be kicked out, and Crimea will be recognized as Russian, and territorial claims regarding the “northern territories” will be abandoned.
            By the way, the Soviet declaration of 1956 does not state verbatim that the USSR undertakes to transfer Shikotan and Habomai to the sovereignty of Japan. It simply says "transfer". But what exactly is meant by this requires separate explanations! And Putin has already hinted about this. Perhaps this can be interpreted as a lease of the islands or the creation of some kind of “inimum” - dual sovereignty over the islands of Russia and Japan. It is to clarify these points that this declaration needs to be discussed. But first, let the Japanese become sovereign and recognize Russian Crimea.
            1. 0
              6 January 2019 17: 54
              The site's censor does not allow the word "condominimum". As a result, in order to combat pornography, I removed “condom”. It's good that I left the "inium"!
  68. 0
    7 January 2019 21: 55
    On behalf of the people of the Russian Federation we demand to investigate the fact of a gross violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and an encroachment on territorial integrity Russian Federation.
  69. +2
    7 January 2019 21: 58
    General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation,
    Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation,
    Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation,
    State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
    Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
    Constitutional and Supreme Courts of the Russian Federation


    About violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation

    STATEMENT

    We, all-Russian and interregional public organizations, demand to investigate the fact of a gross violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and an encroachment on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

    Under the pretext of the supposedly urgent need to “conclude a peace treaty” with Japan, an encroachment is actually being committed on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, on the rejection of the geostrategically key and resource-rich South Kuril outpost of our state in the acutely conflicted Pacific-Asian zone.

    In 2009, Japanese revanchists, encouraged by the irresponsible promises of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin, officially declared our islands of Shikotan, Kunashir, Iturup and the Lesser Kuril chain (Habomai) with the surrounding waters as their inalienable “northern territories”, which insults our national dignity. Under these conditions, the very fact of negotiations by the leadership of the Russian Federation on the status of the Southern Kuril Islands cannot be interpreted from an international legal point of view as anything other than an act of high treason.

    To speed up these negotiations, on behalf of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a group was created headed by Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Igor Morgulov, supervised by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. These persons violate paragraph 3 of Article 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, according to which “the Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory.”

    No government body, no official has the right to conduct negotiations that encroach on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. This is a crime falling under Article 280.1. Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Public calls for actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.”

    In addition, such acts fall under Article 285 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Abuse of official powers,” paragraph 2 of which applies to persons “holding public office in the Russian Federation.”

    The surrender of the Southern Kuril Islands to the revanchist “unsinkable US aircraft carrier” is camouflaged by demagoguery about their “joint development.” Dragging the Japanese to the South Kuril Islands, which the above three persons holding government positions in the Russian Federation are now actively doing, is the first step of surrender.

    We demand that measures be taken to prevent attacks on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and, in view of the obvious signs of a crime, to bring these officials to criminal and political responsibility.

    Academy of Geopolitical Problems
    Club of National Security Specialists "Commonwealth"
    Committee for the Defense of the Kuril Islands
    National Breakthrough Committee
    Corporation of Russian Lawyers
    International Union of Consumer Societies of Veteran Associations and Organizations
    International Center for Geopolitical Analysis
    All-Russian public organization “Special Forces. Army Special Forces"
    All-Russian movement “Generation of Victory”
    All-Russian public movement "People's Council"
    All-Russian officers' meeting - movement "Honor and Motherland"
    Social and political movement “Big Project of Russia”
    Public Council of Civil Society
    OOD NPSR
    Russian patriotic group
    Council of Veterans of the Northern Fleet
    Pacific Fleet Veterans Council
    Council of Veterans of the Black Sea Fleet
    Union of Navy Sailors
    Union of Military Pensioners
    Union of Cossacks of Russia
    Union of Carriers of Russia
    Union of Compatriots of Crimea
    Union of Compatriots of Ukraine
    Fund for Assistance to National Security "Otchizna"
    Farm Cossack Society "Levoberezhny"
    Farm Cossack Society "Khovrino"
    Center for Civil-Military Cooperation
    South-Eastern Russian Block "SERB"

    Applications on behalf of organizations were submitted by:
    Ivashov L.G.
    Alksnis V.I.
    Shabaev E.O.
  70. 0
    7 January 2019 22: 04
    Medvedev at one time went to the Kuril Islands, so the Japs threatened him so much that our great Putin now lives in fear. He doesn’t dare go to the islands. Why did they catch him by the balls? Not because he very strangely came to power in 2000 - having arrived from Germany, he very quickly advanced to acting president... Or is he a double agent?
  71. -3
    8 January 2019 01: 10
    In principle, Japan's position is correct. The opinion of the residents of the Kuril Islands must be taken into account. If Japan holds a referendum on the Kuril Islands, it will be beneficial for resolving many issues of the local residents of the islands. Let them hold a referendum quickly, the opinion of the population of the Kuril Islands on this issue is interesting.
  72. 0
    8 January 2019 12: 12
    Well, clarity has come to Hobomai and Shikotan, well, well.
  73. 0
    9 January 2019 09: 04
    I wonder what comments there will be when it turns out that the islands are not being given away. Shall we say that Putin is a great patriot and collector of Russian lands?
    But that’s how it will be, if anyone doesn’t understand.
  74. +1
    9 January 2019 19: 07
    If those in power want the People to completely hate them, they will give up the islands, but that will be the end of everything.
  75. +1
    9 January 2019 21: 31
    MESSAGE FOR MEDIA



    January 9 this year The Ambassador of Japan to Russia T. Kozuki was invited to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation I.V. Morgulov told the Ambassador that Moscow had paid attention to the recent statements made by the Japanese leadership on the issues of the peace treaty with Russia, in particular, about the need to “achieve understanding” of the residents of the southern Kuril Islands on the issue of “ the transfer of the territorial affiliation of the islands to Japan,” as well as the “refusal of the demand for compensation by Russia” in favor of Japan and former Japanese residents for the “post-war occupation of the islands.” In addition, it is announced that 2019 will mark a “turning point” in the issue of a peace treaty.

    The head of the Japanese diplomatic mission was told that Such statements grossly distort the essence of the agreements between the leaders of Russia and Japan on accelerating the negotiation process on the basis of the 1956 Joint Declaration, and disorient the public of the two countries regarding the content of the negotiations. Such statements cannot be regarded other than as an attempt to artificially inflame the atmosphere around the peace treaty problem, to impose on the other side its own scenario for its settlement.

    In this context, the invariability of Russia’s principled position was emphasized that a solution to the problem of a peace treaty is possible in the conditions of creating a qualitatively new atmosphere in Russian-Japanese relations, must be supported by the peoples of both countries and be based on Tokyo's unconditional recognition of the results of the Second World War in full, including the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the southern Kuril Islands.

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