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In the USA, they proposed to arm Ukraine with "Harpoons"

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Former US Ambassador John Herbst was marked by another anti-Russian proposal. The man collecting data for the so-called sanctions lists, said that the US authorities would have to think about providing Ukraine with anti-ship missiles.


In the USA, they proposed to arm Ukraine with "Harpoons"


According to John Herbst, such missiles "will help Ukraine to resist Russian aggression at sea."

Herbst noted that we are talking primarily about the harpoon missiles.

Former American diplomat, who moved from diplomacy to obvious aggressive rhetoric (although this is the norm for many American diplomats):
We have enough missiles "Harpoon". These are 30-year-old rockets. This is what we could provide (Ukraine). And maybe something more modern.


According to the former US ambassador, Washington will make an appropriate decision within 2-3 months. Herbst also noted that the list of anti-Russian sanctions should be expanded. According to him, "sanctions should be imposed against the largest Russian bank." The former ambassador also announces a ban on entry for Russian ships to the ports of the United States and the European Union.

In the European Union, this statement of Herbst did not comment.

For your information:
The Harpocket rocket was developed in 70 by MacDonnell-Douglas. Now produced by Boeing. The maximum target range for a cruise anti-ship missile is 220 km. In particular, the Mk-140 and Mk-141 are used as launchers. "Harpoons" are in service with fleets of many countries, including Egypt, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, Poland, India, Israel, Japan and others. The average cost of a rocket (not the most modernized version) is estimated at 600-700 thousand dollars.
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    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 January 2019 09: 12
      0
      What about Neptune? Not ..?
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 2 January 2019 10: 03
        +8


        I wonder how the Ukrainian fleet is going to use them?

        How many Harpoon launchers will fit on an armored boat?
        And in tow?



        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 2 January 2019 11: 28
          +2
          Quote: bulvas
          How many Harpoon launchers will fit on an armored boat?
          And in tow?

          Americans do not give up hope of selling their old "Oliver Perry".
          1. StudentVK
            StudentVK 2 January 2019 13: 17
            +1
            Yes, for what pennies they will buy them from them ????? Keep one such ship on a naval base; it should be reduced to the number of naval crew on a naval base and finance only one. And the sailors and officers to caperang on the ship will not be. Only higher. Imagine how their rear admiral is scrubbing the deck))))
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 2 January 2019 13: 58
              +2
              Quote: StudentVK
              Keep one such ship on a naval base; it should be reduced to the number of naval crew on a naval base and finance only one.

              Therefore, they don’t take it, though it was offered then without weapons, but now they have come up with a new lure.
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 2 January 2019 14: 26
            -5
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: bulvas
            How many Harpoon launchers will fit on an armored boat?
            And in tow?

            Americans do not give up hope of selling their old "Oliver Perry".

            Missile boats are enough to destroy objects in Crimea ...
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 2 January 2019 14: 31
              +6
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Missile boats are enough to destroy objects in Crimea ...

              The anti-ship missiles were removed from the last one, and so that they wouldn’t have such missiles on the ground, so offspring. You can still swim on an air mattress and shoot from a double-barreled shotgun towards the shore.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 2 January 2019 14: 33
                0
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Missile boats are enough to destroy objects in Crimea ...

                You can still swim on an air mattress and shoot from a double-barreled shotgun towards the shore.

                Angry you ....
                Orphans can sell everything they need, from used ...
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 2 January 2019 14: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Orphans can sell everything they need, from used ...

                  Orphans have no pennies and even as a gift they are not all ready to accept. Old frigates and F-16s from the Canadians offered - they don’t take it that way, the dogs are scary.
                2. StudentVK
                  StudentVK 2 January 2019 17: 17
                  0
                  Well, the question is: why didn’t they do this dosihpor? And everything is simple and clear. Because we, too, can send something from boo to someone who is not pleasing to the amers.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 2 January 2019 16: 45
                +4
                And there is also an interest ... how much will the Ukrainians agree to prod ... "to lose these" harpoons "during the exercise? what
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 2 January 2019 21: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  And there is also an interest ... how much will the Ukrainians agree to prod ... "to lose these" harpoons "during the exercise? what

                  Yes, to whom they can sell this petrified d (oh!) Mo, except perhaps to the Yemenite Hussites - and they don’t hurt money ...
                  And then, this monkey is already hung from head to toe with grenades, so that it can also boil a rocket - after all, it will press a button that has the wrong button ... ;-))
            2. gurzuf
              gurzuf 2 January 2019 17: 09
              0
              Yes, this is enough to ensure that the country Ukraine ceases to exist ... along with its current leaders. And Waltzman with his son, a mortar man, will not do this.
            3. StudentVK
              StudentVK 2 January 2019 17: 20
              0
              What makes you think that someone there will give them a shot ???? They are not so unhappy that straight to the worst.
            4. Ezekiel 25-17
              Ezekiel 25-17 3 January 2019 16: 53
              0
              The harpoon is the anti-ship missile system, the warhead has an AGSN there, that is, it is not intended to destroy ground targets, and there is no missile defense system either.
          3. Ham
            Ham 2 January 2019 16: 16
            +4
            Americans do not give up hope of selling their old "Oliver Perry".

            they would have steamed them for a long time - yes, dill have a dumb penny ... and just keeping such a pelvis (not to mention the fact that going out to sea in it) is expensive! such a colossus, even just stupidly standing in the port - eating money like a vacuum cleaner ... and for beggars mired in debt this is an overwhelming burden ... but you also need the infrastructure - basing, repair and maintenance centers, personnel need to be prepared somewhere .. .Count how much dough you need to just go out to sea and swim in view of the coast;)
            so even if they just give (for nothing) - and then ballast, and t. To. there is no money, then all the arguments about "American frigates" are nothing more than a form of military-political masturbation ....
            1. SASHA OLD
              SASHA OLD 3 January 2019 03: 57
              0
              if you want to ruin a poor country - give it "Oliver Perry")
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 2 January 2019 18: 39
          +1
          And where will the primary information come from? Before launching the information comes from the radar of the carrier - ship or plane. Carriers needed along with missiles
        3. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 2 January 2019 22: 21
          0
          Quote: bulvas
          I wonder how the Ukrainian fleet is going to use them?

          How many Harpoon launchers will fit on an armored boat?
          And in tow?

          If you attach a barge to the tug, then 20 pieces.
      2. venik
        venik 2 January 2019 14: 41
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        What about Neptune? Not ..?

        =====
        But what about "mass production" ?? It also needs to be adjusted ... WHERE ???
        Well, then - what will the Yankes have with "this" ???
        1. StudentVK
          StudentVK 2 January 2019 17: 27
          0
          Yes, the whole trick is that even for the show’s brilliance, they didn’t even place the beam installation on the chassis or on the boat. Everything is cheap and not very angry. It’s a falcon, or whatever its layout was done, but here it’s straightforward hack.
          1. Antares
            Antares 2 January 2019 22: 18
            +1
            Quote: StudentVK
            even the beam installation on the chassis was not located or on the boat

            beam installation is some sort of prodigy lol
            talk about it

            Quote: StudentVK
            It’s a falcon, or whatever its layout was done, but here it’s straightforward hack.

            Speech about OTRK Thunder 2 for SA
            1. StudentVK
              StudentVK 2 January 2019 23: 42
              0
              Caught) Described. The fact is that the rocket or the Neptune itself is not what the super duper is. But the trick is that no one showed how it hits the target. Launch yes, but no more. What is the vodka on it? No fi ha is not clear. So that once again not to disturb even their military experts, they showed the launch of s125 missiles on ships. So that’s it. The potential after the collapse of the union, they are almost all about shit. Almost the entire south kb was dead (it almost all worked for Russia), the Kharkov tank holds on, but produces nothing new, only the old stuff is being modernized.
            2. StudentVK
              StudentVK 2 January 2019 23: 51
              +1
              Shame however (((The USSR at the time of the collapse of the union had such a scientific and military potential that my mother did not cry. But almost everything was wrong. And this is not regrettable but very good.
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 2 January 2019 09: 17
      +20
      They will give it also business, only they will not remotely control the missiles from the ukroi, and on occasion they will arrange a bloody provocation. All for chemical warfare, and bacteriological, and nuclear weapons will be given to ukraine for the sake of the war against Russia only to use it in combat conditions against us. And about the monkey with the grenade, this monkey has been trained for a long time, and with great success, the United States.
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      2. your1970
        your1970 2 January 2019 15: 55
        +2
        Quote: ANCIENT
        ukroine for the sake of the war against Russia will give All-and-chemical, and bacteriological, and nuclear weapons
        -not will - Ukraine may RESELLand speaking in Russian, drive him to anyone .....

        at least in Somalia or to me (if I had grandmas I would buy ... winked... scare the neighbors)
    3. Finches
      Finches 2 January 2019 10: 59
      +7
      This is just a private opinion of the former ex-US ambassador to Ukraine, approximate in weight and delirium, like mine - you need to take and fuck Caliber in Kiev! In my proposal, I would say less delirium ... laughing

      That is, it does not matter to the real decisions of the US leadership, therefore it is not correct to title the opinion of the ex-ambassador as the opinion of the political leadership, but in Ukraine it is already being presented as another global change under the motto "the whole world is with us"! And what is interesting, there is no way to think on New Year's days, how to preserve the world even small American bipods, who once hung out in the corridors of the State Department, are still drowned for the war - and then they are surprised that more than half of the world considers America to be a product of the devil! That's the answer!
      1. den3080
        den3080 2 January 2019 12: 23
        0
        listen to Mr. Bogdasarov on the radio or on the box :)) is also the former of something there and somewhere
        he still doesn’t say that and said, “harpoons” from a former American official seem innocent childish amusement.
        1. Finches
          Finches 2 January 2019 12: 25
          +1
          "In Russia, there are fools, thank God, for a hundred years!" laughing
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 2 January 2019 14: 31
            0
            Quote: Finches
            "In Russia, there are fools, thank God, for a hundred years!" laughing

            Whose glory is God? Or are you apparently not from Russia ....
            1. Finches
              Finches 2 January 2019 14: 35
              +1
              From Mother Russia! It would be boring to live! laughing hi
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 2 January 2019 14: 37
                0
                Quote: Finches
                From Mother Russia! It would be boring to live! laughing hi

                Fear God, the empirialists will soon become gray-haired, from the news from the "mysterious northern country" ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 2 January 2019 14: 46
                  +3
                  Unpredictable inconsistency is our everything! We ourselves do not know what to expect from us tomorrow, all this is achieved through an even distribution among the people with the correct% ratio of geniuses, talents, fools ... And all this multiplied by the historical overcoming of our stupidity, physical and climatic conditions, external "friendliness", and at the same time, constant awareness, often belatedly of one's own genius, add the breadth of open spaces and souls, the assimilation of a huge number of nationalities, with traditions sometimes opposite to each other ... - a hellish mixture called the Russian mentality! Our actions do not fit into the framework of the Western perception of the world. The matrix doesn't work, which makes them very alarmed!
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 2 January 2019 22: 44
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        This is just a private opinion of the former ex-US ambassador to Ukraine, approximate in weight and delirium, like mine - you need to take and fuck Caliber in Kiev! In my proposal, I would say less delirium.

        This is not nonsense and not a private opinion. This is called a probe. Checking the reaction to a possible action. Further action after evaluating the reaction. Usually, the next step is a throw-in at a higher level and again an assessment of the reaction ....
        1. Finches
          Finches 2 January 2019 22: 49
          +1
          Maybe a probe - that's how anyone likes it! We all feel each other’s consciousness even with our comments on this site .... And the reaction to them! hi
  2. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 2 January 2019 09: 15
    0
    If the Mattresses begin to arm Ukraine with advanced weapons, this will lead to serious consequences both for Ukraine and for America.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 January 2019 09: 24
      +1
      Well, about the "advanced" you of course bent ...
      1. Qwertyarion
        Qwertyarion 2 January 2019 10: 01
        +4
        For Ukraine, American weapons are all advanced. The owner will not send the bad.
        Mattress plans to arm Ukraine is an alarming signal.
    2. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 2 January 2019 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: Qwertyarion
      will begin to arm Ukraine with advanced weapons

      I agree, advanced. And "Harpoon" is "missiles with technology 30 years ago."
      It's like the British put this "advanced miracle of technology" into service for them, which does not want to enter the hill in the slightest degree and turns over at every opportunity ..-
      1. Alexander not great
        Alexander not great 2 January 2019 14: 22
        0
        it was bought by volunteers ....... no one supplied, you can buy online)
        1. Antares
          Antares 2 January 2019 22: 33
          +3
          Quote: Alexander not great
          it was bought by volunteers ....... no one supplied, you can buy online)

          a little expensive for them
          The final contract was signed not for $ 57000, but for $ 51000. And in it two components of the price are spelled out in black and white: the cost of the car in UK 2 + "transport and clearance" 38000.
          Moreover, the text of the contract "indicates that the final consumer of this equipment is the Ministry of Defense and the National Guard."
          The contract itself was signed through the STATE enterprise "Ukrinmash", which apparently has all the necessary licenses.
          1. Alexander not great
            Alexander not great 2 January 2019 22: 44
            0
            for comparison, 300 armored KRAZ, SAXON was bought for 000, it’s not expensive, it’s decommissioned equipment, the purchase was formalized as military technical assistance, I bought a state-owned enterprise, they helped and went to choose with the participation of the same volunteers, this is what I a company that sells decommissioned property, anyone can buy it, take it as an alternative to the same BTR-50, not more. Intercept it cleanly, because at that time everything that could be obtained and armed with a machine gun was used.
  3. ded100
    ded100 2 January 2019 09: 17
    +5
    They don’t let them sell it anyway, but they will share the money with a confirmed fact! laughing
  4. taiga2018
    taiga2018 2 January 2019 09: 19
    0
    anti-Russia is arming itself, and we continue to impose such sanctions so that, God forbid, the "intimidated" population does not suffer ...
  5. bald
    bald 2 January 2019 09: 19
    +3
    Normal move. And to Cuba, FREE OF CHARGE, so to speak as a gift, for a start, "Iskander" - and these bastards - and this is leading.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 2 January 2019 11: 44
      +1
      As if not an option, now it is not 60-80's and Fidel is also not there, there is now a pro-American government, as it were. Venezuela is more suitable for this, but it is far from Iskander there.
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 2 January 2019 12: 17
        +1
        So let's sell the "obsolete" Satan good lol , yes, the information itself, even without importation, will lead to widespread diarrhea in the United States.
  6. Mouse
    Mouse 2 January 2019 09: 21
    +2
    not a horse oats ... steal and sell .... laughing
  7. Irek
    Irek 2 January 2019 09: 21
    +3
    All the old stuff to Usrain can be discarded at the price of a new, cool business.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 2 January 2019 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: Irek
      cool business.

      yeah ... kind of help! wink
      1. tractor driver
        tractor driver 2 January 2019 09: 56
        +6
        All junk vna Usrainu peg off

        "sell hoKHLAM" - you have revealed to me a new meaning of this phrase
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 2 January 2019 09: 56
      +8
      What junk is the main RCC of the US Navy and 30 countries of the world.
      1. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 2 January 2019 12: 23
        -1
        But is it a subsonic rocket of the 1980s?
        And in our times, a modest range of launch on targets.
        And exactly the same chance of hitting the target.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 January 2019 12: 40
          +3
          X-35 - similarly.

          The range is sufficient - for its speed (it’s no longer in fuel, but it rests against time, in 20 minutes the targets can go in any direction and there will be a fail at the search stage for the GOS). This is actually the boundary for all RCCs of this type - that is, with the marching subsonic section of 150-250km range.

          Especially in the Black Sea and the Sea of ​​Azov - where the range is redundant, and if there is real use, then either at 20-40km or 50-70.

          The chances of hitting the target are high. Due to the low flight profile and low visibility. But the main feature is mass. Each hornet from the strike squadron takes 4 Harpoon. Total - the goals will have to be beaten off by the Harpoon Roy, which simply will lead to the fact that more than possible goals can be brought down in the allotted time = air defense breakthrough and target defeat. For this topic (Ukraine) it will be unavailable yes. But again, in a real clash, what thread of Albatross or Lightning strengthens a pair of border guard - against the insane Taras who shot even a light packet (2x2) of Harpunov - nothing good for Albatross / Lightning and border guard sad . 3 Admirals to pull Mad Taras on every exit?
          1. EXPrompt
            EXPrompt 2 January 2019 12: 45
            0
            You will notice that in the Crimea there are already 4 divisions with 400 dug up, apart from various small things, the area is heavily covered by air defense. I think today in the world, the air defense zone of Crimea is one of the three in terms of the power of grouping. Plus ground-based RCC systems.
            Just like that, even a swarm of Garpunov will not be shot.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 2 January 2019 15: 45
              +3
              As for C-400 and other things - the curvature of the earth, do not forget. Well, I mean, if there is an action game right on the shore, then yes. But if not, then cross off ground systems, because they will not reach and will not see low-flying targets.

              RCC land-based - so crazy Taras and without them is not a tenant. Well, rather, he will be shouting there MEYDAY! DO NOT SHOOT! I AM IN INTERNATIONAL WATER! 111

              I just pointed out that the Harpoons, in addition to their domestic political and overworked character, will allow for a more arrogant provocation. Again, in the case of this, the FSB watchmen and the strengthening Albatross / Lightning, and even Buyan, will not be at all comfortable. sad
              1. EXPrompt
                EXPrompt 2 January 2019 18: 15
                0
                I agree the land is not flat)))
                For this, smart people invented awaxes.
                Buyan does not really have his own air defense, this is a ship of the coastal zone, with the hope of a good cover for ground defense, what should he do near Odessa in a single-night raid?
                Do not send him there. So, theoretically, they will have to use their harpoons either near the Crimea or the Sea of ​​Azov. Both there and there Russian Air Defense will give them little chance.
                Then, if you saw the Yalta region, let's say the radars in the mountains do not stand much higher than the sea. Which slightly changes their capabilities overseas.
  8. Ham
    Ham 2 January 2019 09: 28
    0
    even a nuclear bomb will not save dill ...
  9. KCA
    KCA 2 January 2019 09: 29
    +1
    Will the MK-140 or MK-141 fit on a rubber boat? And the radar and other body kit for anti-ship missiles? Or will they put barges on tow barges and haul barges?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 January 2019 10: 02
      +7
      MK-141 - these are inclined farms. You can cook them yourself or buy them too. Radar - find. There is a problem with the platforms. Where to put them? From the military ones - Sagaidachny, Priluki, you can still try to put on the KFOR. The rest is doubtful.
      Well, that is, from which Balta - it is possible to make a missile anti-ship cruiser with 16 / 32 Harpoons. laughing Just the point? There is no provision for target designation (only civilian navigation radars) - everything needs to be rebuilt and retrofitted. Such a missile cruiser will be the goal of No. 1 - and it has neither driving performance nor weapons (in the base there is none, now they can put a couple of DShKs on mobilization), no survivability (it's a Polish civilian ship).
    2. Avior
      Avior 2 January 2019 10: 06
      +2
      in Pryluky will be instead of the P-15.
      and they don’t need any special radar.
  10. izya top
    izya top 2 January 2019 09: 30
    +1
    trust dyrapu xep glass ...
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 2 January 2019 12: 19
      +1
      I suspect that they and the cast-iron will not master. good good
  11. prior
    prior 2 January 2019 09: 56
    +3
    Why not send a New Year's package to former American Ambassador John Herbst - greetings from Khrushchev - "Kuz'kina's mother" ?! It was created using technologies so old that it is difficult to remember.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 2 January 2019 10: 00
    +4
    This news is only Svidomo, jumping inspiring! Like fairy tales / stories about the miraculous "Java", which is now cherished from Svidomo.
    Nonsense! Where to put a harpoon and the like? What to manage, how to direct and much more where-why! Without which this idea is fixed, it will turn out to be ... nothing.
    1. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 2 January 2019 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Nonsense! Where to put a harpoon and the like?

      Namely, Victor Gennadievich! good Big words, no more .. So I think. They are 30 years old at lunch.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 January 2019 11: 36
        +3
        Quote: GKS 2111
        Quote: rocket757
        Nonsense! Where to put a harpoon and the like?

        Namely, Victor Gennadievich! good Big words, no more .. So I think. They are 30 years old at lunch.

        Striped politicians, retired and active, they say a lot! Only at the expense of implementation, bad plans, not really ... and thank God that those who make decisions are real, they still consider denyushka, and they have some other useful thoughts! soldier
    2. Avior
      Avior 2 January 2019 10: 05
      0
      they are homing; they do not need to be pointed.
      and Harpoons were initially made as universal in placement and quite autonomous in control
      1. Serjio
        Serjio 2 January 2019 10: 45
        0
        The Kh-35U in the arsenal of the Russian Federation is also homing, universal and cheap.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 2 January 2019 11: 32
        +8
        Quote: Avior
        they are homing; they do not need to be pointed.
        and Harpoons were initially made as universal in placement and quite autonomous in control

        Is it really sho? I’ve launched it from the cart and she will find everyone and women! There is no heap!
        Why such confidence?
        And I naively thought that the option - fly there, it does not know where, drown it, it does not know what! - is this an option from fairy tales?
        1. Avior
          Avior 2 January 2019 12: 45
          -2
          it’s probably very convenient- what to compose for the opponent and explain to him what he was wrong hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 January 2019 12: 51
            +2
            So pointed out that just a rocket is not all that is needed to use it. Then there was no need to fantasize.
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 January 2019 12: 53
              0
              they would have indicated it themselves, since they took
              The operator can launch the Harpoon missile by bearing and range, or only by bearing to the target (if the range is unknown). In the first case, the missile seeker is turned on at the time designated by the operator before launch, in the immediate vicinity of the target, which makes it possible to reduce the probability of detecting anti-ship missiles and the time for possible jamming.In this case, a small, medium or large scanning sector of the radar can be used to search for a target. GOS, The first is used when firing at a group of targets at short range, but in this case, as the distance increases, the effectiveness of the GOS decreases. When shooting at maximum range, a large scanning sector is used. To increase the effectiveness of shooting when searching for a target, several scanning modes can be used, starting with a small sector. If the target is not detected, then a transition is made to a larger scanning sector, and so the seeker works until the moment when the target is detected and locked. The seeker does not have selective properties, so the anti-ship missile strikes the first captured target.
  13. Avior
    Avior 2 January 2019 10: 03
    0
    I am surprised that the Americans still have not done this, to be honest.
    Harpoons are quite autonomous and fit into any ship.
    These anti-ship missiles, especially those of the older issues, are not super modern, but are robust enough and quite suitable for combat within the radar range.
    and more for the conditions of the Black Sea and is not required
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 January 2019 11: 41
      +3
      Even for some kind of puddle ships are needed ...... Yes, another moment. Any weapon requires normal maintenance, and for the old one, all this is required three times as much! Otherwise, it becomes dangerous for the owner, but not ensuring that what is required.
  14. Moskovit
    Moskovit 2 January 2019 10: 13
    +4
    As soon as the Americans deliver the harpoons to Ukraine, in the mines of Donbass a Ball or even a Bastion will be excavated.
    The former ambassador. He can be fantasized.
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 2 January 2019 10: 47
      0
      And what's the point in the Ball or the Bastion on the Sea of ​​Azov? Shoot the boats? So, first of all, because of their small size, they simply will not be captured by the GOS. And if on the Black Sea then in the Crimea they are!
  15. Lamatinets
    Lamatinets 2 January 2019 10: 25
    0
    I can then think about axes !!!
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 2 January 2019 10: 35
    +5
    In my opinion, it’s time to give a warning to the hegemon. About the possible appearance of missiles of this type from Iran or from Korea, but there are a lot of things that can be put where
    1. Avior
      Avior 2 January 2019 10: 51
      -1
      they have them.
      for Americans, these missiles are not a threat
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 January 2019 11: 14
        +5
        Quote: Avior
        they have them.
        for Americans, these missiles are not a threat

        Well, why is there right away, I’ll say that the list of what can be put up is very large
  17. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 2 January 2019 10: 37
    +2
    Why Ukrainians ,, harpoons ,,? They are more and more on construction sites, on nurses, on the tracks ... :-)
  18. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 January 2019 10: 41
    +4
    You can, of course, be indignant, blaze with sarcasm and so on ... but - evaluate the results of the activities in Ukraine of this, if I may say so, the work of our "great" diplomats of our time ... in particular Zurabov.
    This American is narrow-minded and miserable, but DONE his job. And ours, "the smartest and most worthy", their business about .. fukali.
    For me, it's better a poor American at this job .. than a dear "effective" manager!
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 2 January 2019 20: 43
      0
      And this is because the appointment to Ukraine from the nomenclature was considered an honorary reference, in fact, sending them on vacation from business and to Moscow away but where exactly nothing needs to be done (this is when the Chernomyrdin was appointed to ukraine heard on NTV) So they worked on the beaches and restaurants.
  19. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 January 2019 10: 45
    +3
    Quote: Avior
    they are homing; they do not need to be pointed.

    Well then, it will be necessary to cancel shipping and aircraft flights over the Black Sea altogether ... it will be dangerous for everyone!
    1. Avior
      Avior 2 January 2019 10: 52
      -2
      not more dangerous than it is
  20. dgonni
    dgonni 2 January 2019 10: 45
    -1
    Excellent mnogoghodovochka at our sun came out, EXCELLENT! 5 years ago I didn’t even have to think about such a thing! Here, many unsubscribers write correctly for the fact that the missiles themselves do not piano. Well so mattresses will put their radars with them. But for some reason, many forget about the aviation version of the same Harpoon! And the principle of operation is as simple as two fingers on the asphalt! On the marching section, the usual inertial on the final active radar.
  21. Marconi41
    Marconi41 2 January 2019 10: 48
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    From the military ones - Sagaidachny, Priluki, you can still try to put on the KFOR.

    We must not forget about American gifts: two old frigates and two coast guard boats. Although the latter are unlikely to pull the Harpoons.
  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 January 2019 10: 50
    +2
    Quote: donavi49
    Such a missile cruiser will be the target No. 1

    Isn't there a lot of such "potential" goals being formed lately? Either Poland, now Romanians, Baltic Pribludy ... maybe it is necessary in advance ... without waiting for peritonitis?
  23. arhPavel
    arhPavel 2 January 2019 11: 19
    +1
    It’s better to sell than to recycle, you can earn money from the sale, and recycling is just a waste.
    Well, they’ll blow up their ship, because of crooked hands or for technical reasons ... It’s also good, you can declare a diversion of the Russian Federation.

    Sumerians they are ...
  24. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 January 2019 11: 20
    0
    According to John Herbst, such missiles "will help Ukraine to resist Russian aggression at sea."

    ... and then why should the Mexicans Caliber throw a little?! ... laughing
  25. Hypersound
    Hypersound 2 January 2019 11: 22
    0
    Why is this mud still alive? As soon as he said this, "Caliber" was to be launched immediately at its location
  26. Hypersound
    Hypersound 2 January 2019 11: 24
    0
    The ex-ambassador also announces a ban on calling for Russian ships in the ports of the United States and the European Union.


    Our Foreign Ministry must clearly state that in the event of such a blockade, the Russian Federation will declare a nuclear war to the European Union. They will immediately turn around and back down
    1. Antares
      Antares 2 January 2019 22: 40
      0
      Quote: Hypersound
      The ex-ambassador also announces a ban on calling for Russian ships in the ports of the United States and the European Union.

      Our Foreign Ministry must clearly state that in the event of such a blockade, the Russian Federation will declare a nuclear war to the European Union. They will immediately turn around and back down

      nonsense. If the ports are closed, they are not Russian closed. and mine.
      No one will back down. This is an extremely difficult step, which is unlikely to be taken, because
      1-Flags of other countries / firms for the Russian Federation have not been canceled.
      2-worsened economic performance.
      We need weighty arguments for this.
      Well, nuclear weapons can be threatened for any reason. The image of the Russian Federation so fell, despite the fact that the Foreign Ministry was not going to threaten everyone (although the Russians have already promised Paradise) for any reason.
      So far, these are just potential threats and then ... more talking room and ground for all kinds of insinuations.
  27. svp67
    svp67 2 January 2019 11: 56
    -1
    We have enough Harpoon missiles. These are rockets with technology 30 years ago. This is what we could provide (Ukraine).
    Americans, just Americans ... On your shoulder, what we don't need, half-century ships, taken out of service, "decommissioned", not always flying "Javelins" - ON, we do not mind, the main thing is not to forget to thank, pay and did not interfere with the plunder of the country. Few? So here's a 30-year-old Harpoon in ... in the Navy.
    1. Antares
      Antares 2 January 2019 22: 44
      0
      Quote: svp67
      "decommissioned", not always flying Javelins

      if the CLU version is not younger than 2013.
      How can there be written-off Darts if the order went under production for them? And it’s not such an old weapon either. Although the most expensive in the world in its class.
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 January 2019 02: 00
        0
        Quote: Antares
        How can there be written-off Darts if the order went under production for them?

        What just does not happen. And factory marriage happens and not condition ... in general, there are many reasons, here is the result:
  28. Berg berg
    Berg berg 2 January 2019 12: 14
    0
    If the United States is so smart in Ukraine, then Russia will have to equip Venezuela with the Iskanders and, at their request, build the Naval Base of Russia! And there you look and Nicaragua will ask for weapons!
  29. Mih1974
    Mih1974 2 January 2019 12: 15
    0
    What an interesting idea, it's high time to "enter the market" with "onyx", Iskander and "calibers" can be adjusted to the export version good .And what a "queue" to line up for all this - both Assad and Iran, and how much the DPRK wants to buy uuu lol ... You can also "hint" Argentina that "then you had enough good weapons" repeat guess who then will be the Malvinas Islands? laughing
  30. av58
    av58 2 January 2019 12: 18
    0
    Let the Harpoons be delivered as soon as possible. Firstly, it will be possible to buy at a cheap price from Ukrainian ensigns. Secondly, after the very first practical application, this can bring the annexation of the western territories closer to Russia.
  31. Vasili09
    Vasili09 2 January 2019 12: 22
    -1
    well, even if Harpoons are handed over to Ukraine, what of it? Didn’t they pass them on to anyone, didn’t they sell them? we also give up weapons, sell them or exchange them for palm oil, why arrange a holivar? get involved
  32. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 2 January 2019 12: 49
    0
    ... anti-ship missiles "will help Ukraine counter Russian aggression at sea."

    Will it help, it is not known, but they will splash the gasoline ...
  33. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 January 2019 13: 15
    -2
    It’s scary to think what we will do with the Ukrainian fleet,
    if this "Harpoon" sinks at least one of our ships, even a border boat ...
  34. flicker
    flicker 2 January 2019 13: 16
    -1
    According to John Herbst, such missiles "will help Ukraine to resist Russian aggression at sea."
    Herbst noted that we are talking primarily about the harpoon missiles.
    Former ambassador, not afraid that the Ukrainians will plant this Harpoon to the former ambassador in the very "herbst" laughing
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    1. Avior
      Avior 3 January 2019 00: 20
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      you do not know what it is? did not serve in the army?
  36. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 January 2019 13: 38
    -1
    Mad people often help mad people .. For a common disease brings the sick together.
    1. Zomanus
      Zomanus 2 January 2019 14: 10
      0
      It's not crazy here. There are hitters who want to rekindle a real war between
      the other two countries and then profit from resources.
  37. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 2 January 2019 14: 24
    +2
    In the European Union, this statement of Herbst did not comment.

    In vain. Apparently immortal.
    The Harpoon rocket was developed in the 70s by McDonnell-Douglas. Now produced by Boeing. The maximum range of target destruction by a cruise anti-ship missile is 220 km. As launchers are used, in particular, Mk-140 and Mk-141.

    With the delivery of anti-ship missiles to Ukraine, nothing can stop the Russian Federation from selling similar missiles to Iranians, Koreans, Yemenis (even bald bald), and most importantly, the Russian Federation with a smile on its face can calmly withdraw from the Wassennar agreement, here the Americans will be happy, especially Western countries dragged into its time the USSR in it ....
  38. Old26
    Old26 2 January 2019 15: 13
    0
    Quote: GKS 2111
    I agree, advanced. And "Harpoon" is "missiles with technology 30 years ago."

    Maybe the rocket itself is 30 years old (that is, on the verge of decommissioning), and the technologies embedded in these missiles are already 50 years old

    Quote: EXPrompt
    You will notice that in the Crimea there are already 4 divisions with 400 dug up, apart from various small things, the area is heavily covered by air defense. I think today in the world, the air defense zone of Crimea is one of the three in terms of the power of grouping. Plus ground-based RCC systems.
    Just like that, even a swarm of Garpunov will not be shot.

    Crimean air defense is certainly enough to counter the so-called aviation of Ukraine. And, of course, there can be no blow to the fleet’s infrastructure from a word at all. But to start a provocation, to strike at civilian targets on the Crimean coast - this is quite real. Especially when you consider that the length of the coastline of Crimea is more than 1200 km. And onshore civilian facilities on the shore are more than enough. The Ukrainian Navy may well carry out such a provocation. Purely technical

    Quote: Moskovit
    As soon as the Americans deliver the harpoons to Ukraine, in the mines of Donbass a Ball or even a Bastion will be excavated.

    Well written. Well, dig out, and then what? Does LDNR have the opportunity to hit Ukrainian ships at least in the Sea of ​​Azov off the coast of Crimea? Not to mention the Black Sea.

    Quote: APASUS
    In my opinion, it’s time to give a warning to the hegemon. About the possible appearance of missiles of this type from Iran or from Korea, but there are a lot of things that can be put where

    You probably spent the last few years in a lethargic dream? DPRK a couple of years ago at the parade showed a self-propelled gun with 4 TPKs for missiles of the X-35 / Harpoon type. Iran has such a wide range of RCC that it is not clear why so many types. And you are talking about some kind of warning ...
    Well, be warned, our Foreign Ministry will express its concern. So, what is next? The delivery of such missiles does not violate the restrictions under the same MTCR. And the same USA can declare yes "deliver wherever you want". The question is, who will buy such anti-ship missiles from us? What, there are many countries buying weapons from us, especially such?

    Quote: aszzz888
    and why then, Mexicans Caliber to throw a little?! ..

    And we have sold a lot of weapons to Mexicans over the past half century ??? laughing

    Quote: Hypersound
    Why is this mud still alive? As soon as he said this, "Caliber" was to be launched immediately at its location


    Quote: Hypersound
    The ex-ambassador also announces a ban on calling for Russian ships in the ports of the United States and the European Union.

    Our Foreign Ministry must clearly state that in the event of such a blockade, the Russian Federation will declare a nuclear war to the European Union. They will immediately turn around and back down

    Well, you are just a monster, a titan of foreign policy. Give you free rein and understand that we would not be alive for a long time, because for everyone you are ready to start a nuclear war. Still not knowing how the EU will react to this, this is your proposal. Drew attention to one in your posts. Whatever happens, whatever problem arises - you have one recipe. Gauges, Iskanders, nuclear weapons for everyone who even speaks a word against us.

    Quote: Berg Berg
    If the United States is so smart in Ukraine, then Russia will have to equip Venezuela with the Iskanders and, at their request, build the Naval Base of Russia! And there you look and Nicaragua will ask for weapons!

    You have to understand that for all this, for "gifts" to Venezuela of "Iskander", which they need like a 5-wheel cart, for the construction of a Russian naval base, are you ready to pay your hard-earned several tens of billions of dollars? For the base there is needed for our Navy, like the same cart 5 wheel

    Quote: av58
    Let the Harpoons be delivered as soon as possible. Firstly, it will be possible to buy at a cheap price from Ukrainian ensigns. Secondly, after the very first practical application, this can bring the annexation of the western territories closer to Russia.

    good
  39. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 January 2019 15: 20
    0
    They should be equipped with brains, because there are no pins of this kind. And so at least arm with tridents, there will be no sense.
    1. Kot28
      Kot28 2 January 2019 16: 43
      -1
      Against the avant-garde, all these toys are useless
  40. Berkut24
    Berkut24 2 January 2019 18: 10
    +1
    We are bent to deprive Ukrainians of all beaches and ports ...
  41. Alexander X
    Alexander X 2 January 2019 18: 35
    0
    They will give a tranche and their harpoons will boil it. Ukrainians do not smell money. Immediately rockets will come ... Fight the Slavs among themselves ... That's because these scum stripes ... Everywhere they plant blood and death ...
  42. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 2 January 2019 18: 56
    0
    This is the whole of America, under the guise of helping "sell" trash to dill, and necessarily for money and at full cost. and what they will do with them, nobody cares.
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    1. Lieutenant Senior
      Lieutenant Senior 2 January 2019 19: 35
      0
      Good to swear. Not in the State Duma.
  44. Lieutenant Senior
    Lieutenant Senior 2 January 2019 19: 33
    0
    Will the latest kayak ships be equipped?))
    Or "Fragile Chosen"?))
  45. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 2 January 2019 20: 05
    0
    better with baseball bats ... they won’t pull the rest ... the exploitation of the identity is worth the money ... usually Amerov’s partners do not cover operating expenses ... but the treasury is dumb ...
  46. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 2 January 2019 20: 07
    +1
    The former are always used as material for testing public opinion, like Levada or VTsIOM
  47. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 2 January 2019 20: 55
    0
    What's the difference? They, that "Harpoon", that double-barreled gun .... one devil - "cauldron"! At least on the sea, even on land!
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  49. LeonidL
    LeonidL 2 January 2019 21: 31
    0
    God toby, that mani is no good ...
  50. Egor53
    Egor53 2 January 2019 22: 10
    0
    The current Ukrainian authorities are doing everything in the most unreasonable way. The Harpoons will give them, so they will shoot them ... on the NATO ship.