Zampolity political directors, but certainly not the commissioners. Part of 2

Today this work is in full swing. Although the reports on what has been done and what has yet to be comprehended and formulated to the public consciousness are being brought with delays and, for obvious reasons, not in full. Therefore, we will start by trying to figure out what is known from various interviews with the new chief of the Main Directorate of Internal Affairs, the comments of journalists and military experts published in the media. At the same time, we note that some publications refer to their draft documents regarding the creation of new military-political bodies that have not yet been published in the open press. Therefore, we will have to carry out our express analysis not on the basis of published documents, but on their retelling in the publications of journalists and on the comments of military experts. In this regard, some inaccuracies are possible, but the general algorithm of actions has already been formed. Moreover, two of the three indicated in the speeches of General A.V. The map of the stage of the creation of the GPU and the structures subordinate to it, according to the previously mentioned deadlines for their implementation, should already be passed.

Development of regulatory framework for the structures of the HVP

The starting point and the main vector in the military-legal work on the formation of the regulatory framework for the creation of a new Glavka, of course, must be considered the decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 30.07.2018 dated 454. By this document, the Ministry of Defense in the person of the Main Directorate of Internal Affairs assigned new responsibilities for organizing military-political work while preserving the former functions of the GURLS for ensuring law and order, military discipline, moral and psychological training and education of servicemen. Apparently, in a random way, the reinstatement of the positions of political politicians in the army coincided with the 100 anniversary of the creation of the first party political bodies and the introduction of commissioners in the Red Army.

As always, when defining the legal basis and the main functions of the central administration inside the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense, it is required to define or clarify the concepts and terms within the framework of military legal innovations. And it is necessary to begin with the definition of the content, meaning and essence of military-political work proper. Famous Russian lawyer Dereshko B.Yu. suggests in the modern understanding and on the basis of a functional approach the following definition: “Military-political work is an organizational and practical activity of commanders (chiefs) and military-political bodies for implementing state military policy in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, forming a state-patriotic worldview of military personnel , mobilization of personnel for the successful implementation of the tasks ". Apparently, this definition needs additional discussion in the professional community with the possibility of making clarifications, textual and semantic corrections. However, for the primary analysis, it is, in our opinion, quite suitable, so we take it as a basis. Based on the above definition, the previous experience of party political construction in the army and common sense in military affairs will inevitably provide, with a certain approximation, the potentially effective and workable construct of the military political system in the Russian army. Let us list the most important, in our opinion, organizational aspects related to this military-administrative system and let us indicate at what stage, according to the data of the open press, the decision on them is found:

1) the presence of an organizational-standard and strictly defined vertical of subordination of military-political workers from the company level to the central office of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation headed by the Deputy Minister of Defense (according to General Kartapolov, the organizational structure was approved by the Minister of Defense, and the situation is in the coordination stage);

2) formation of the military-political apparatus in the regimental unit, which allows to successfully solve any tasks in peacetime and wartime (by December 1, 2018, the appointment of deputy regimental commanders (and individual units also?) Had to take place;

3) the creation of military-political bodies in individual parts, formations and associations (at the stage of discussing the immediate prospects);

4) deployment of district and by type (sorts) troops of military-political structures with states that allow solving tasks of military-political and other support in the interest of increasing the combat readiness and combat capability of subordinate troops, forces and means, carrying out combat training and other tasks for the intended purpose ( detailed commentary is not published);

5) formation of the organizational-staff structure of the Main Internal Affairs Directorate of the Ministry of Defense capable of promptly and effectively responding to any aggressive manifestations and challenges from a potential enemy and terrorist formations, while maintaining a high morale, patriotic spirit and readiness of servicemen to take a conscious (independent) risk when performing combat tasks and in the event of a sudden attack of the enemy. The organizational structure of the new cupola is basically formed, although some adjustments are possible.

The listed stages of the formation of the military-political contour in the system of command and control of troops in such a short time is a very difficult task, requiring the participation of all interested parties. Further, at the stage of testing and testing the functioning of the military-political system, it will be necessary to identify all the “bottlenecks”, inconsistencies, interruptions in interaction, parallelism in functionality and other inconsistencies. So, 2019 will fully start the year, not only in connection with the introduction of military-political training in the troops according to new training programs, but it will also allow debugging the precise functioning of the entire system of military-political work in the troops.

In order to create a legal framework for the successful conduct of military-political work in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and legal support for the formation of a new organizational and staff structure, General Dereshko B.Yu. proposes the development of internal regulations of the Ministry of Defense in the framework of 2-x of the main groups of documents. The military lawyer proposes to allocate for functional purposes: a) documents regulating military-political work in everyday conditions; b) documents defining the procedure for carrying out military-political work in special (combat) conditions. It is also necessary to supplement the duties of commanders and chiefs of all levels with provisions on the need to participate in military-political work within their competence.

Since general A.V. Kartapolov explained that there will still be time to work out the organizational structure and regulatory documents throughout the entire 2019 year, during this period it is quite possible to test the military-political system created by the troops for viability, eliminate the identified shortcomings and make the necessary corrections. And the tasks before the new political and educational system are far from simple. Moreover, many of the problems are old, arisen in earlier times and, due to various subjective and objective reasons, still unsolved.

Challenges and problems in the army, facing political commanders

At one time, a sociological study on the topic “The Russian army: social problems and ways to solve them” was conducted at the sociological center of the Ministry of Defense. Judging by the text and some dates given in it, this study was most likely conducted in 2012-2013. The results of his were posted in the public domain, which does not happen often.

In the published materials, as the main message, it is noted that social problems in the armed forces have become significantly aggravated and require prompt resolution. Among them, 9 identified the most pressing problems, many of which, judging by the publications in open sources, have not been solved yet. They will become a “heavy legacy” for the newly created military-political structures. Let us try to group the problems listed in the results of the study according to the principle that they can be solved by joint efforts of military-political workers.

1. Objective problems in Russian society and affecting the state of the Armed Forces. In relation to the army, they are of an external nature and are not subject to resolution by the efforts of the HVP system. These include the following problems identified by military sociologists:
- Up to 90,% of recruits come from families whose situation “has deteriorated sharply during the reforms”;
- reduction of the “qualitative characteristics of the recruiting contingent”;
- a fall in positive motivation for military service and an increase in the number of “refusers”;
- the incompleteness of the reforms of the acquisition system and the organizational structure of the RF Armed Forces;
- more than two thirds of the officers, even after the indexings, “assess their financial situation as mediocre”.

2. Problems whose solution is included in the “zone of responsibility” of military-political bodies and political politicians:
- the need to "form a defense consciousness";
- Up to 70,% of officers and ensigns assessed the condition of their units as incapable of "performing combat missions";
- there was a "significant value reorientation of servicemen."

Here are just some of the main aspects of the problems identified during the sociological studies mentioned in the army. And as we can see, far from all of them are solved at the level of the Main Directorate of Internal Affairs and deputy commanders for military-political work. Activation and consolidation of efforts on the scale of the state and society is required in order to achieve positive results in increasing combat readiness and enhancing the combat capability of the Russian army.

The time has passed, and improvements are not visible in all

And now we will try to update the given excerpts from the studies of army sociologists with examples and facts of today. Thus, according to official statistics, the number of citizens living at the level of the poverty line and beyond its lower limit is December 2018 of the year, according to various estimates, from 20 to 22 million people. From this it follows that the recruitment of the Armed Forces, especially by the contingent, continues mainly at the expense of people from materially disadvantaged families. There is no doubt about the decline in the quality indicators of health and the level of general educational training of draftees, and also contract soldiers. After all, often the military service of the future contractor also begins with a recruiting office.

And the beginning of patriotic education in the army for many becomes familiarity with the national history. As polls and results of sociological studies show, young people of military age, for the most part, do not even know the most famous events of Russian history and the names of the heroes-defenders of the Fatherland.

Today, not too many young men of military age are trying, out of patriotic motives, to put on military uniforms and join the ranks of the armed defenders of the Motherland. In early October, General E.V., Chief of the Main Organizational Directorate of the General Staff. Burdinsky reported a decrease in 2 times the number of draft dodgers in the 2018 autumn draft year. At the same time, according to his data, as REGNUM news agency reported, citing an interview with the general in Rossiyskaya Gazeta, it was planned to recruit 2018 people in the fall of 132500. True, the day before, the Minister of Defense at a conference call called another number. Of these 132500 people, 118440 recruits will be sent directly to the service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The remaining 14060 people, apparently, were intended to replenish other power structures.

In public space, there are diverging data on the number of "draft dodgers" and "otkazniks" from the army service. It must be admitted that the days of the movie hero - soldier Ivan Brovkin, who was striving to get into military service, have sunk into summer. Now it is more often possible to meet those who by hook or by crook seeks to evade the fulfillment of their duty to defend the Motherland. Again, the head of the General Staff Head mentioned above said that at present, compared with 2016, the number of draft evaders had decreased significantly and amounted to 1600 people. However, this somehow does not quite coincide with the data that was presented in the State Duma in April 2018 of the year. Then it was a question that about 164 to thousands of draftees, draft dodgers failed to hand the summons from the military registration and enlistment offices. Legislators in connection with this problem have developed amendments to the law, obliging conscripts, under the penalty of punishment, to appear on their own in the military registration and enlistment office for the summon they have not received in the army. Apparently, we are “reaping the benefits” caused by a decline in the prestige of military service, as well as from the inadequate quality of military-patriotic work with pre-conscription youth. And among the adult population, the male part of which largely relates to the stock and reserve of the Armed Forces, this is not all right. Although in recent years, military history and reconnaissance work have intensified somewhat.

Certainly positive, in our opinion, the effect will be of military-military dictation, as reported by General A.V. Kartapolov. The first one is dedicated to February 23. It will be dedicated to the knowledge of the history of our army. The second will be held on the eve of May 9 and will cover the period of the Great Patriotic War. However, this can not stop. Such events with reference to dates, of course, can be annual. But these are one-time spiritual and patriotic forms of influence, and continuous military-patriotic work with the maximum coverage of participants is claimed. Without discounts on remoteness from cultural and military-historical centers, the lack of any materials and other resources. Each situation has its own forms and methods of military-patriotic work, and they should be more actively used with benefit for the common cause.

The incompleteness of the reorganization of the Russian Armed Forces that was once begun is a deterrent, and often an impediment to improving the situation in the troops. Under the former Minister of Defense, an attempt was made to transfer the army to the US brigade model. The brigade began to reorganize the division. It was largely damaged, and in some cases, destroyed the division of the division-army in the contour of the combat command and control of troops. As you can see, now everything is back to square one. Divisional and army structures are being revived. Parts and connections are returned to the old ones and the legendary names of the times of the Great Patriotic War are assigned again. All this, of course, will contribute to the military-patriotic work and increase morale among the troops.

These days, the requirements for combat training of troops have risen sharply. Training, drills and surprise combat readiness tests have once again become an everyday military practice. The rearmament of the army and the commissioning of ultramodern and unique types and systems are proceeding at an accelerated pace. weapons and military equipment. Now the important task of the commanders and their deputies in military-political work becomes the organization of combat training and moral-psychological preparation for successful development, and upon receiving an order, and for the combat use of this modern equipment and weapons.

In general, positive changes in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are already yielding results. In recent polls by VTsIOM, 92% of Russians expressed confidence that the Russian Armed Forces are capable of repelling sudden aggression and resisting any adversary. For comparison: in 2013, this indicator was only 66% and was almost a third lower than the current one.

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(Part 1-I.)

Comments

[astronom1973n]

"Zampolit", who will pursue the policy of whom and what ideology? What ideology we have is not clear. In 2001, in my battalion, there were educators in my battalion: zkb on time: 1, zkr on time: 2, battalion psychologist: 1. there was only one assistant)! In the unit in management, in addition to the deputy. the commander for BP was both a psychologist and a social work officer and an ogp officer and ... the head of the printing house)))) Not a little. Efficiency .. not high. It is useful that an extra officer will not interfere with tasks that are often not related to them the level of training and professional appointment! In the future, in the course of the "great reform", they cut everything. Now they are trying to invent something new and teach it as an achievement. Achievement of what? Personally, I think that at this stage there are incomprehensible throwing in order to correct the personnel of the MPS. money is already becoming rather weak as an incentive. And how to do it, they don't really understand. The main thing is to report and formulate expediency beautifully. And in the future ... you can again disperse it! Why, there is a lot of money. And the result? It doesn't matter. Therefore, instead of the necessary military schools, there are cadet corps (in our city, taking into account the presidential one, there will already be 4!), Instead of military units, political officers of dubious quality.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: astronom1973n

"Zampolit", whose policy and what ideology will it pursue?

In general, this was the case before, during the rule of the CPSU. Now the political deputy will pursue the policy of the same ruling party - United Russia. What's incomprehensible? In general, the army may not need political officers, but those who, during the service of a soldier, would conduct patriotic education on a daily basis. And unless in a year they will be able to make a patriot out of yesterday's, in most cases, a dunce, I doubt ... So why do we need an extra link in the army? Isn't it better to carry out this work on patriotic education at school from the 1st grade, perhaps adding an appropriate specialist to the school staff? Although this specialist at school can become a political officer from United Russia or some other party ruling in the future ... But the decision has already been made, and the army will apparently intensively accept "all worthy" into the ranks of the leading and directing party.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Tatar 174

In general, the army may not need the political leaders, but those who would conduct patriotic education daily during the service of the soldier.

The hit of the "political officers" is the holding of the UCP on Tuesdays and Fridays)))) And the delivery of the same dregs at the check. You can't look without tears. I don't know how it is now.

[Samosad from Mariupol]

What upbringing? How do you see it? Do you watch Soviet films together? Or modern? Patriotism is brought up with the blood and milk of parents at school ... and not in the army for a year of service. People must serve in the army! Talk nonsense ...

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Tatar 174

So why do we need an extra link in the army?

I mean the same thing! Not needed. From the word at all.

[Lopatov]

Quote: astronom1973n

.In 2001, in my battalion, the state consisted of teachers: ZKB by VR: 1, ZKR by VR: 2, psychologist of the battalion: 1.

All but a psychologist, commanders after a monthly course, a psychologist, a graduate of a civilian university?
That is the problem, here "cadres decide everything" © And without solving the problem, without restoring the system of full-fledged training of educators, nothing can be done. And 7 years ago Shoigu promised to do it

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Spade

All but a psychologist, commanders after a monthly course, a psychologist, a graduate of a civilian university?

The deputy battalion commander and even then without courses))) the former company commander, a psychologist after Novosibirsk-career, company commanders -one personnel after Novosibirsk, the second "pinzhak with pockets"))) The psychologist rubbed himself with the prosecutor's office and there he was seconded. -captain by state.

[Lopatov]

Quote: astronom1973n

psychologist after Novosibirsk

And, yes, psychologists from universities appeared later, somewhere in 2004-2006.
Well, we had courses at the army level

[Boris55]

Quote: astronom1973n

"Zampolit", whose policy and what ideology will it pursue?

The question is not correct. "Zampolites" should not follow the ideology of any party. They must stand above inter-party relations and implement the dominant concept of social life. All registered parties (64) are within the same concept. Parties that do not fit the concept are not registered.

[To be or not to be]

The commander is one-man! ALL !

"One-man command is the most expedient form of troop leadership, ensuring the unity of will and actions of personnel both in peacetime and in wartime .."

It is necessary to select the commanders. To educate them in such a way that they who are not looking for him, in the person of the new organs of the Watchers, are lacking ...

[Boris55]

Quote: To be or not to be

The commanders must be selected. Educate so that.

The commander works at the sixth priority of management, while the "political officers" work at higher priority (1-3). It is not correct to put them in one row. Each of them has its own tasks, pursuing the same goal - the fulfillment of the tasks in the shortest possible time, in full, with minimal costs. The lowest priorities always depend on the highest. Separation of functions is the most effective means of achieving the ultimate goal, used in all armies of the world. It is not advisable to deprive Russia of this function.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: To be or not to be

The commander is one-man! ALL !

"One-man command is the most expedient form of troop leadership, ensuring the unity of will and actions of personnel both in peacetime and in wartime ..

Then remove all the deputies from the commander.
Who told you that, let’s say, the political officer is somehow encroaching on one-man management? Deputy he is - deputy. Within its competence.

[Lamatinets]

Mlyn, this reform has been rushing about for 25 years.

[ser65]

manatee ... you seem to have decided to receive the marshal by February 23? for each article leave meaningless vyser.

[Lamatinets]

I did not go with you. What I leave for comments is my business. Couch You are an Internet fighter.

[ser65]

of muslin ladies? dirty morning on the forum.

[Lamatinets]

Yes, no, not from young ladies, in real life I’ll drop into a melon with all the excellent pleasure, but with Internet dirty guys like you, yes, it’s not nice, more bullshit and rogomets.

[Ross xnumx]

The only reason why they continue to exaggerate the question of political commanders in the RF Armed Forces is the issue of employment of EP members, which has shown its true face. In the initial period of the construction of the armed forces, the commissars and political officers were called upon to educate the illiterate contingent, to explain the basics of literacy, and politics, since many Red Army men could neither read nor write. Now for what purpose do you need political studies, political training? What is going to be taught to servicemen whose goal is to quickly destroy a potential enemy with less damage to themselves and the unit? Methods of contactless "chatter" in Farsi? Tongue strangulation and demonstration of the slimy “Ku”?
It's time to change the record. A professional should serve in the army. For the state of armament and its characteristics require the fulfillment of tasks by a limited contingent. No one needs to lead an attack, and, most importantly, no one needs to be forced to do “as I said” ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: ROSS 42

The only reason why they continue to exaggerate the question of political commanders in the RF Armed Forces is the issue of employment of EP members, which has shown its true face.

Squealed, introducing the party functionary of the EP, who goes to the infantry company as a political officer ...
Dear, in criticizing the authorities, one must "feel the banks" ... at least common sense

[igorka357]

Listen, this is the first time you see this character, I’m surprised how he personally didn’t blame Putin, and he didn’t say that Putin is sharpening such a unit for himself! People are dissatisfied with the authorities and put a word about her in any topic!

[depressant]

And let me summarize the preliminary result.
Our system is forming a feudal-oligarchic one with powerful bureaucratic support, and a soldier from a poor family is ordered to defend their homeland as if it were socialist. The soldier has cognitive dissonance. Here a psychiatrist is needed, not a political instructor. Yes, and that is unlikely to succeed. They missed the USSR, now get and sign. Ukraine is solving the problem of Nazism, which is unacceptable to us. In general, there will be another bulky bureaucratic structure, not the fact that it is not corrupt. ((

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ROSS 42

In the initial period of the construction of the armed forces, the commissars and political officers were called upon to educate the illiterate contingent, to explain the basics of literacy, and politics, since many Red Army men could neither read nor write.

You might think that those who can read and write are well versed in politics.

Quote: ROSS 42

No one needs to lead an attack, and, most importantly, no one needs to be forced to do “as I said” ...

And if he does not know and does not understand how to do it?
Do you think that these are few? Alas.

[plotnikov561956]

there is no ideology ... there are concepts

[Lamatinets]

And the concepts are often rotten.

[Boris55]

Quote: plotnikov561956

there is no ideology ... there are concepts

Parties without ideologies do not exist. Any party is the bearer of its ideology:
- EP is the bearer of anti-human ideology of human-human exploitation;
- The Communist Party is the bearer of Marxist ideology, which led to the destruction of the USSR;
- The LDPR is the bearer of the liberal-democratic ideology that put us under the West;
- etc..
Parties that are not part of the dominant concept are not registered.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Boris55

- The Communist Party is the bearer of Marxist ideology, which led to the destruction of the USSR;

Are you sure that it was ideology that led to the destruction of the USSR?
Or just wanted to sound smart?

[Boris55]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Are you sure that it was ideology that led to the destruction of the USSR?

The CPSU, relying on the teachings of Marx, which describes the relationship under capitalism, built the capitalism with us in 90. What foundation is such a building. Rotten ideology spawned a rotten society. The Communist Party continues the cause of the CPSU and firmly believes in Marxism.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Boris55

The CPSU, relying on the teachings of Marx, which describes the relationship under capitalism, built the capitalism with us in 90. What foundation is such a building. Rotten ideology spawned a rotten society. The Communist Party continues the cause of the CPSU and firmly believes in Marxism.

Try to comprehend what you wrote yourself. Combine your in-ser into a single logical thought.
By the way, the "rotten society" under socialism was more humane and decent than the new one. No? Will you argue?
In the beginning, find the definition of the words capitalism, socialism. What do they mean, what is the difference.
Well, at least a little engage in political self-education. Fortunately, there are no problems with political literature.
And only then write on this topic. And so, - you look just ridiculous.

[Boris55]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Try to comprehend what you wrote yourself.

Practice is the criterion of truth. The fact is that it was the CPSU that destroyed the USSR and to build capitalism under another brand (EP).

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Boris55

Practice is the criterion of truth. The fact is that it was the CPSU that destroyed the USSR and to build capitalism under another brand (EP). hi

The CPSU is a party. In which there were about 18 million members.
Did they all ruin the USSR? Do you have delirium or post-alcohol syndrome?

[Boris55]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Did they all ruin the USSR? Do you have delirium or post-alcohol syndrome?

Not. I have a Constitution from the 1977 year:

"Article 6. Guide and guide the strength of Soviet society, the core of its political system, state and public organizations is the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The CPSU exists for the people and serves the people.

Armed with Marxist-Leninist teachings, The Communist Party determines the general outlook for the development of society, the line of domestic and foreign policy of the USSR, directs the great creative activity of the Soviet people, gives a systematic, scientifically sound character to his struggle for the victory of communism.

All party organizations operate within the framework of the Constitution of the USSR.

[Singed]

No matter how they mocked here, liberalism of all stripes .. And political officers are needed in the Russian Army!
I recently read the memoirs of the political instructor "We were not taken prisoner" .. very interesting and without any touch of terry ideology .. I just described my work and military actions ..
And now, with the dominance of the Internet and a powerful info war unleashed by the West .. This is already a matter of national security. We need to talk heart to heart with youth .. We need an idea otherwise Russia will cease to exist!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Singe

We need to talk heart to heart with youth ..

Explain why Mara Baghdasaryan “cuts” money around dad in Moscow, teach the lessons of the quick accumulation of funds that dad made in the nineties, reveal the subtleties of the state of mind in which you can endanger the lives of others (ordinary citizens), and look for loopholes in the Criminal Code for yourself with the help of a very well-paid lawyer and use this as a motivation to protect their comfortable existence in the country? Or talk about how for the sake of profit and profits the owners of the "Winter Cherry" neglected fire safety measures and killed 64 people? Or, perhaps, to paint bright prospects for a military man who must defend his government, which gave him weapons, at the cost of his own life, in order to ensure a decent existence for them, and for himself “eternal youth” and highly qualified, low-paid work until his death?

Quote: Singe

We need an idea, otherwise Russia will cease to exist!

- The idea?
- What is your idea?
- And de I am ...

[Singed]

Quote: ROSS 42

Explain why Mara Baghdasaryan “dissects” Moscow for dad’s money, teach the lessons of the quick accumulation of funds that dad made in the nineties

This is exactly what needs to be explained ..

Quote: ROSS 42

- The idea?
- What is your idea?
- And de I am.

The idea has always been in Russia and is still there ... It's just that in "our media" it is somehow hushed up and belittled in every possible way ..
And she has an idea and the Russian way! You can kick ..

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Singe

This is exactly what needs to be explained ..

And will someone pay money for this? In Russia, money is paid to those who skillfully build national wealth and sort out natural wealth. Sometimes it falls to those who can skillfully (I repeat - skillfully and skillfully) explain to the electorate that 11 rubles is the amount that will be required per month “for complete happiness”, and macaroni and kefir are no worse, or even more useful, than a hamness and a bottle of Hennessy .

Quote: Singe

And she has an idea and the Russian way!

Who would doubt that! The idea is! Russians are there too! Only:

We didn’t make a scandal, we lacked a leader,
There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders,
But on the machinations and harmfulness of the network we have nonsense,
And the wicked intrigues of enemies will not spoil us.

[igorka357]

Yes, to this Ross sneeze on the topic in general, he just needs to throw a shit on the fan! In this topic, he succeeded, and began to fuck in the Putinget style ... Sadness, of course, that people who want to talk on a specific topic are led by such provocateurs !

[Lamatinets]

Yes, you explain what right now in the Russian Federation an idea then ??? Under communism, it was somehow designated, but right now, what?

[ver_]

... previously, working people were required, now technologists are watered, and maintenance staff ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ROSS 42

belay Explain why Mara Baghdasaryan "cuts" around Moscow for daddy’s money, teach the lessons of the quick accumulation of funds that dad made in the nineties, reveal the subtleties of the state of mind in which you can endanger the lives of others (ordinary citizens), and look for loopholes in yourself Criminal Code with the help of a very well-paid lawyer and use this as a motivation to protect their comfortable existence in the country? Or talk about how for the sake of profit and profits the owners of the "Winter Cherry" neglected fire safety measures and killed 64 people? Or, perhaps, to paint bright prospects for a military man who should defend his government, which gave him weapons, at the cost of his own life, in order to provide them with a decent existence, and “eternal youth” and highly qualified, low-paid work until his death?

You wrote everything beautifully. You even sketched the pros.
But, in my opinion, nothing needs to be explained. But it is necessary to form public opinion so that these Mar Baghdasaryans shy away from lepers. Reduce her image to the level of mold, to the level of an abscess on the body of society.
But for this there must be an IDEOLOGY. And you and others like you do not want to and oppose such an ideology. Because you are afraid of her. The authorities are afraid of her. Therefore, Russia does not have any ideology. Because Mary Baghdosaryan and rule the ball, they feel not mold, not an abscess, but the master of life.

[depressant]

National security of what - oligarchic hunting places? "Heart to heart ..." I can imagine what and how the soullessness of an oligarch talks to the soul of a boy from a family of modest income - a boy who has no life prospects in his own country, and in others too. It remains for political instructors to hit exactly this place: beyond the hill you have even less prospects, if you are not seven inches in your forehead, there you are no one to call you, even our oligarchs do not become our own, but here you are valuable at least for the great history of the country, feel your human dignity ... In general, history has shown: a soldier can always be confused by his head, turn the bayonet to the wrong side. But will it work now? Will he drop the bayonet? Fearfully...

[parusnik]

Interestingly, and the children of those who live and study abroad, they are considered "deviators" ..?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: parusnik

Interestingly, and the children of those who live and study abroad, they are considered "deviators" ..?

They cannot be considered deviators, since they are not considered citizens of Russia - the children of Russian citizens ... until they are arrested by the police, or expelled for boorish behavior ...

[parusnik]

until they are arrested by the police, or expelled for boorish behavior.

... And there are many of those who have been expelled ... And how many of those in the army serve as ordinary soldiers .. But the point is not in them .. Political work in what vein will be carried out ..? Again, how in the distant past, who is the external enemy and who is the internal enemy? .. Protect the personal property of the oligarchs ..?

[Lamatinets]

I think that they remain citizens of the Russian Federation, but they also have a second citizenship, but do they violate Article 330.2 of the Russian Federation

[igorka357]

If you are not in the know, even those who study in Russia have a respite, study all your life and will not serve!

[svp67]

Quote: igorka357

If you are not in the know, even those who study in Russia have a respite, study all your life and will not serve!

And if you are not aware, then this deferral is given only ONCE. Failed the session and you are welcome under the banner. And so, our army is increasingly in need of highly educated personnel, especially "scientific companies"

[ver_]

... give * swag * to the military commissar, or to the chairman of the military commission and .. get * a white ticket * ...- easy and simple ...

[Lara Croft]

The author writes about the "Institute of Political Instructors in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation", however, he gets into another branch of military development - the organization of the structure of the Russian Army:

Under the former Minister of Defense, an attempt was made to transfer the army to the American brigade model. Divisions began to be reorganized into brigades. It was largely damaged, and in some cases, destroyed the division-army link in the combat control command of the troops. As you can see, now everything is back to square one. Divisional and army structures are reviving.

It seems to me that in our country and in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation there are elements of "westernization", but one cannot say that the structure of divisions is worse than the brigade system and it is stupid to say that the Anglo-Saxons have disappeared divisional structures in the Army, it is just that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation decided at last that in certain strategic directions (threatened) it is necessary to have divisional structures of troops (Belarusian, Ukrainian, Caucasian direction), and on secondary brigade structures (border with the Baltic states, Finland, Sakhalin) ...
I believe that the existing SV divisions should have a brigade structure (and not regimental) of a permanent composition (at the moment, for example, the Russian Maritime Regiment MSDs have a different structure) that coincides in structure with the separate Russian Maritime Brigades (except for remote theater of operations - Armenia, Tajikistan, possibly in future ATS) and AA units attached to them.
Army structures (Unions) - TA / OA are bulky, it is easier to have AK.
As the author points out:

Of course, the decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 30.07.2018, 454 No. XNUMX should be considered the starting point and the main vector in the military-legal work on the formation of a regulatory framework for the creation of a new head office. With this document, the Ministry of Defense in the person of the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office is entrusted with new responsibilities for organizing military-political work while maintaining the previous functions of the GURLS to ensure law and order, military discipline, moral and psychological training and education of military personnel.

Meanwhile, the specified normative act does not determine the activities of the State Military Pedagogical University:

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 454 of July 30, 2018.
On Amending the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of August 16, 2004 No. 1082 “Issues of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation” and the Regulation approved by this Decree

http://prezident.org/articles/ukaz-prezidenta-rf-454-ot-30-iyulja-2018-goda-30-07-2018.html
Accordingly, there should be another normative act, and not specified by the author .....
Meanwhile:

The Vedomosti newspaper reports that in addition to the tasks that GURLS was engaged in, Andrei Kartapolov will oversee work with the mass youth movement Yunarmia and other public associations.

https://www.znak.com/2018-07-31/v_rossiyskuyu_armiyu_vernutsya_politruki_dlya_vedeniya_gibridnyh_voyn
And in what normative act it is mentioned, it is also unclear ...
Also, the author did not say a word about the training system for future political officers, meanwhile:

in the Soviet army, GlavPUR was in charge of all party political work, led the system of army and navy political agencies, the military press, and cultural institutions. The GlavPUR also hosted the Lenin Military-Political Academy, the Institute of Military History, 11 higher military-political schools, departments of ideological orientation in 20 military academies and 150 schools.

see there
And last, the author writes:

In recent VTsIOM polls, 92% of Russians expressed confidence that the Russian Armed Forces are able to repel sudden aggression and confront any enemy.

I want to note that the combat effectiveness of the RF Armed Forces is determined not by population surveys, but by real successful (not successful) operations (battles) ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lara Croft

I want to note that combat effectiveness of the RF Armed Forces is determined not by population surveys, but real successful (not successful) operations (battles) ....

That's it! And certainly not by explanations and interpretations about why their capitalism has a beastly grin, and ours, the Russian one, is such a "sweetheart and defenseless dog" ...

[Lopatov]

Dear, you write such nonsense that, word of honor, I want to ask if you served

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Spade

did you serve

He served as a clerk at the headquarters ... And what do you consider stupid? For example, I consider stupidity the revival of the institute of political leaders ... I also have a negative attitude to the press secretaries of various stripes because I am a supporter of this:

I point out in the assemblies and in the presence of the gentlemen senators to speak only with words, and not according to what is written, so that everyone could see the foolishness.

[Lopatov]

Quote: ROSS 42

He served as a clerk at the headquarters ...

This is unlikely, the clerk at least minimally faced with military service

Quote: ROSS 42

What do you consider stupid?

Almost everything you wrote

Quote: ROSS 42

For example, I consider stupidity the revival of the institution of political leaders ...

Because they didn’t even command a squad

[igorka357]

Like I'm all like Danila Brother ...)))

[Li17]

As the saying goes, there is an experience of creation, so everything has already been invented more than once, everything is as usual, where to get money, personnel .... But the worst and most important thing is the realities of life in the country and that native stupidity! Revaluation of values, or rather the destruction of moral values, the degradation and degeneration of the masculinity, the substitution of official duty by a contract! Replacing the army’s life spent on overcoming with a service system on the principle of a kindergarten, you must wait for your mother to pick you up, look do not catch a cold, so don’t go naked!

[Cheldon]

How did Mother Russia fight for a thousand years without political officers and psychologists? Unclear! In the next "thread" I read an article about Alexander Bestuzhev-Marlinsky. A man of amazing destiny, amazing deeds. And not a word is said about the fact that he achieved this thanks to the leading role of someone, something conveyed to his consciousness by the political officer. Zampolit is needed only as an additional element that can be stuffed into an outfit for the holidays.

[Boris55]

Quote: Cheldon

As a thousand years, Mother Russia without fights and psychologists fought? Unclear!

Are you sure about that? And who do you think inspired the warriors to fight on the Kulikovo field?
You will find a hint on the banners displayed in the picture.

And the first world:

In my opinion, you underestimate the role of ideological power.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Boris55

Are you sure about that? And who do you think inspired the warriors to fight on the Kulikovo field?
You will find a hint on the banners displayed in the picture.

So this is how a real "political officer" looks like that!)))) And I did not know this. I thought that these were the faces of the saints. And in general, one should not confuse the clergy and God with the "political officials"

[Boris55]

Quote: astronom1973n

do not confuse the clergy and God with the "political officers"

I do not confuse them, and the clergy are not God, but rather the opposite.

The role of the "holy fathers" in the army is akin to the role of political officers - to relieve stress and to inspire a soldier. Under tsarism - for the faith, the king and the fatherland. Under the USSR, for the homeland, for Stalin.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Boris55

Under the USSR, for the homeland, for Stalin.

My grandmother Konigsberg and Vienna took - for "Motherland" and last but not least "for Stalin" ..., my "political officers in the Army" were stories of my grandfather and grandmother in "civilian life" about the Second World War ... this is more serious "propaganda" will be...
The modern generation is not lucky in this regard, our veterans are dying ...

[ver_]

... in ancient times there was a blood tax - this was when tax collectors delivered male orphans to male monasteries and families who could not pay taxes .. where they fed them, they taught them military training and received * warriors .. They outfitted for account of the monastery treasury .. The monks were all warriors .... So squads were formed ..

[Cheldon]

Quote: Boris55

And who do you think inspired the warriors to fight on the Kulikovo field?
You will find a hint on the banners displayed in the picture.

For Faith! The king! Fatherland! - these are the three words that replaced all the words spoken by the political leaders.

[Boris55]

Quote: Cheldon

For Faith! The king! Fatherland! - these are the three words that replaced all the words spoken by the political leaders.

And who do you think should explain to the soldier for what faith, for what king and what kind of fatherland and why is there an enemy and why should he be killed?

For example: for Roman these concepts are absent. He has all around - friendship, dumbbells, chewing gum and he is not the only one.

[Cheldon]

Quote: Boris55

And who do you think should explain to the soldier for what faith, for what king and what kind of fatherland and why is there an enemy and why should he be killed?

Parents to start. A child should know that he is going to protect his father’s house, relatives, etc. .. If the child has survived to 18 years old and does not know what to do in the army, then of course, the political officer will be enlightened for a year of service. I repeat once again: Russia achieved power without political leaders.

[Lamatinets]

For starters, most of the soldiers are peasants, and the explanations from them are extremely minimal, especially about the fatherland.

[Boris55]

Quote: Cheldon

Parents to start.

Unfortunately, parents work sutra until night, and the debilizers on all TVs are engaged in raising our children.

Quote: Cheldon

If the child lived up to 18 years and does not know what to do in the army, then of course, the political officer will be clever for the year of service.

It is reasonable. If the soldier is told in the first six months that he is a pig, then he will grunt for the second six months.

If propaganda, of which the politicians are a part, would not be effective, I assure you, not a single TV channel, not a single radio station would be free of charge for us. States (all) spend a lot of money to promote their interests to the masses for a reason. If we do not instruct our soldiers on the true path, then I assure you that our enemies will do this, and then no matter what our modern weapons are, any war will be lost by us.

Anyone who opposes the institution of "political officers" in the army,
stand for our defeat in the war.

It is not iron that wins the war, but the morale of the soldier. Who is taller, who is more motivated, then victory.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Boris55

Anyone who opposes the institution of "political officers" in the army,
stand for our defeat in the war.

Personally, I am opposed to this institute, but for such words as a career officer, if you were nearby, you would not be greeted!

[Boris55]

Quote: astronom1973n

Personally, I am opposed to this institute, but for such words as a career officer, if you were nearby, you would not be greeted!

As a career officer, you do not know the six priorities of social management? Very sorry. Do you know how the West managed to destroy the USSR, which had the most powerful army in the world, without dropping a single bomb on our heads? Do you know how Putin managed to stop the civil war in Ukraine without bringing in troops there? You've probably heard this expression: "Cannons, the last argument of kings", and what other arguments does the "king" have? I suggest you check out a short video on management priorities. You work at the lowest - 6th priority, "political officers" at the 1st - 3rd. Do not forget that all power structures in the world are instruments of the ruling parties, and any party has its own ideology. Even without a "political officer" in the army, the ideology of the state still rules you.

"Many things are incomprehensible to us, not because our concepts are weak, but because these things are not included in the range of our concepts.". Kozma Rods

ps
I am a military pensioner since the 1998 year.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cheldon

How did Mother Russia fight for a thousand years without political officers and psychologists? Unclear! In the next "thread" I read an article about Alexander Bestuzhev-Marlinsky. A man of amazing destiny, amazing deeds. And not a word is said about the fact that he achieved this thanks to the leading role of someone, something conveyed to his consciousness by the political officer. Zampolit is needed only as an additional element that can be stuffed into an outfit for the holidays.

In any small team, and army too, there is an informal leader.
This informal leader in some way affects the psychological climate in the unit. Does this climate contribute, well, roughly speaking, to the task assigned by the commander? This is the first. The second one. In contrast to the millennial Mother Russia, all the soldiers of Russia are literate. And as you, I hope you understand, it’s difficult to manage literate people. Because everyone has their own thoughts, their own view, their own vision. And this disagreement does not contribute to the execution of the commander’s orders.
You say - there is a charter obliging you to comply implicitly. But...
It is one thing to do it deliberately, understanding why, and the second - by compulsion of the charter. And this is "deliberately" put into him by the political officer. Leads to the correct, from the point of view of the state, understanding.
Are you sure that in Syria the soldiers did not ask themselves the question - do I need it for hell? To risk your life and health for the sake of some Syrians?
This is the question the politician answers him with. For the commander has many other concerns, and he still has no time to talk with the soldiers.
Again, the fight against hazing. All officers of the unit must fight this. But when it’s all, it means nobody. And when there is a political officer, then there is demand from him. In all severity.

[vladimirvn]

Normal combat training, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, will rally the military team and raise the moral and psychological state of the personnel to an unattainable level. The inevitability of punishment (including with the widespread use of the criminal code) and rewards will solve discipline issues. The problem is that the commanders are not ready to work so much, and pushing the personnel to the political side and then arguing that it is of little use is convenient. These issues will be resolved, you can do without them.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: vladimirvn

Normal combat training, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, will rally the military team and raise the moral and psychological state of the personnel to an unattainable level.

Yes, I remember, we had such a clever man in the rank of lieutenant colonel. He said that a real soldier should come to the barracks and drop dead on a bunk. And no guitars, accordions (were in my company) and a TV!
And about unity and the moral and psychological state obtained in connection with dull fatigue, this is generally beyond understanding.

[vladimirvn]

Zampolit, you are not parsley for fun. And go give it, it’s not about him either. This is an officer. And generally tom-deputy. the commander. Here we must talk about his readiness to act as commander.

[Flyer_64]

Mikhail Sukhorukov I advise you not to further develop this topic. Why? Yes, because, in fact, the GWPR failed to plan for 2019, staffing problems have not been resolved. There was a change of sign. Nothing has changed fundamentally. There are more interesting topics that are better about them. Regards and best wishes.

[please]

In recent VTsIOM polls, 92% of Russians expressed confidence that the Russian Armed Forces are able to repel sudden aggression and confront any enemy

What enemy? Duma and the existing government or what?

[RitaNik]

After reading the article, it became interesting to know how things are with educational work with "our respected partners". Here is an interesting material: FOREIGN MILITARY REVIEW No. 11/2001, pp. 8-12

PECULIARITIES OF EDUCATIONAL WORK IN THE US AF, UK AND FRANCE

Colonel V. UTKIN,

candidate of pedagogical sciences

[RitaNik]

http://militaryarticle.ru/zarubezhnoe-voennoe-obozrenie/2001-zvo/6792-osobennosti-vospitatelnoj-raboty-v-vs-ssha

[unBEARable]

Somewhere, once, in good, kind films about the war, the political leaders, or commissars, may have been good and raised to the attack. And for a girl with pieces of paper in sneakers with a photo at the beginning of the article, any normal warrior will have a condescending attitude at best. Well, sex drive, if you have not seen women for a long time and young. In this case, there is no need to talk about any upbringing.

[erased]

What will the army protect? Salvage of oligarchs, possessions of corrupt officials, estates of bureaucrats? Land given to China in Siberia and the Far East? Ready for sale Kuril Islands? Foreign owned corporations and enterprises?
What will the soldier fight for? For the government, that spread rot his people, bringing him to poverty and lack of rights? For a party of thieves that went beyond the law and creates lawlessness?
Yes, the family and relatives of the soldier live here, but they are on the rights of serfs and slaves. Everything will be taken away from them at any moment simply by adopting the necessary law.
How can we explain to Vania from Chelyabinsk, Kolya from Smolensk, Vita from Tver, why they serve in the army, where, under pain of death, you cannot drag rich kids? Why will the soldiers be thrown for slaughter to cover villas, summer cottages, yachts, bank accounts with their bodies, and the parents of the victims will be thrown a handout, or they won’t be given anything at all.
No political leaders will explain what a soldier must move in order for him to accomplish a feat. For there are no more such explanations. As they were not in 1914-1917, when the army died on the fronts for the mythical straits and the Dardanelles. Then it led a rotten empire to collapse. And what will happen to the Russian Federation now if someone suddenly comes along?
Before you create something, you need to understand whether it makes sense to do it. Otherwise, only a new feeder will come out for ranks under epaulettes.

[Radikal]

And for many, the beginning of patriotic education in the army becomes familiarity with Russian history. As polls and the results of sociological studies show, young people of draft age, for the most part, do not even know the most famous events in Russian history and the names of the heroic defenders of the Fatherland.

In-in, and what will the newly "recreated" commissar-political instructor-zampolite tell the soldiers about the "villain" Stalin, and the "genius writer and philosopher of all times and peoples" Solzhenitsyn?

[Reserve officer]

There should be one-man management in the army. All games of commissars and political officers begin when the country's leadership is not confident in its army. When you need a guarantee that the bayonets will not turn in the opposite direction.

[depressant]

Stehr, Radikal and the Reserve Officer all said clearly. And ROSS. This is a sad result. (((

[Love is]

That is, there will be such a person who will tell me why I should go on the order to the battle, and if they do not feed me in battle, do not support me with fire, do not deliver ammunition and reinforcements in time, then this person will rub me with a fatherly smile, which is difficult we now need to survive, that we need to die. Then this person will write a report and climb into his KPZ, etc. As the USSR was and remained. Re-create detachments. God save Russia from the fool!

[German Titov]

And what? A normal political officer was in the Soviet Army. V.G. B. (name, title - I remember exactly). The company commander called him "k-k-omis-sar" (stuttered after a shell shock). 2 years on the passes wound. In neighboring companies, they were also normal. "Kolya from Surgut" will teach, take it. I knew the history of my country even without political officers. School taught me to read. There is no need to "blame politicians indiscriminately." For the army (my opinion) are needed. Not every political officer "has his mouth shut, the workplace is tidied up." According to VUS, I am also a political officer ("jacket"), 2 and 2 "terms".

[Catfish]

Quote: German Titov

So what? The normal political officer was in the Soviet Army.

Good evening, colleagues.

Only from the experience of our own service in the SA. 54th Separate Tank Regiment, 1966-69. Zampolites were in the battalions, at the headquarters of the regiment - early. political department. I remember all my military commanders by titles and names, only the nickname "grandfather Swamp" remained from the political officer. Our battalion chief of staff, Major F.M. Davydov used to say: "The political officer closed his mouth - he removed the workplace." Like "he envied the political worker", and called all his visual political agitation "icons". I finished my service as a tank commander and for all three years I did not notice any special influence of the political officer on the l / s, everyone was asleep at the political information.
And according to the current situation in the army, in my opinion, combat officers should decide. If they get any help from political workers, then thank God.

[Radikal]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: ROSS 42

belay Explain why Mara Baghdasaryan "cuts" around Moscow for daddy’s money, teach the lessons of the quick accumulation of funds that dad made in the nineties, reveal the subtleties of the state of mind in which you can endanger the lives of others (ordinary citizens), and look for loopholes in yourself Criminal Code with the help of a very well-paid lawyer and use this as a motivation to protect their comfortable existence in the country? Or talk about how for the sake of profit and profits the owners of the "Winter Cherry" neglected fire safety measures and killed 64 people? Or, perhaps, to paint bright prospects for a military man who should defend his government, which gave him weapons, at the cost of his own life, in order to provide them with a decent existence, and “eternal youth” and highly qualified, low-paid work until his death?

You wrote everything beautifully. You even sketched the pros.
But, in my opinion, nothing needs to be explained. But it is necessary to form public opinion so that these Mar Baghdasaryans shy away from lepers. Reduce her image to the level of mold, to the level of an abscess on the body of society.
But for this there must be an IDEOLOGY. And you and others like you do not want to and oppose such an ideology. Because you are afraid of her. The authorities are afraid of her. Therefore, Russia does not have any ideology. Because Mary Baghdosaryan and rule the ball, they feel not mold, not an abscess, but the master of life.

And come on right here, and now a master class - form us some kind of opinion about Mara Baghdasaryan, so that we are imbued, and if something, then all as one, in a single rush, well, in general, you understand .. .

[Convoy]

I am for the political instructors in the Russian Army and for the priests too .. Too often Russian soldiers have to sacrifice themselves and they must know "for what and why .."

[2 Level Advisor]

and how will the politicians be different from the current deputy for work? karma? and why the main task of the political leaders, according to many, is to explain how to die a soldier correctly, having scored his brain with propaganda? and yes .. don’t separate Mara from Russia; she’s the same part of her as any of us ..

[Prisoner]

You might think that our political leaders were especially concerned with ideologies. They will drum their warriors in the Lenkomnata’s room, and then some, the most obscene, drum in the political department at the commander, others are normal or thump, or the commissars go to the war with the military.

[Vladimir T]

I wonder if anyone could read to the end? Recalled lectures following the congresses of the CPSU. It scares that this is still the 1st part.

[Disant]

os-lucky, but now he’ll shoot her knees in the photo))) Let them return two years of service - maybe they can even teach them to hold the weapon in the right direction.
.
if it’s closer to the topic, then I think that the politicians are needed, in which form - I do not know, but they are needed - in any case, this is help to the commander of any level.

[Griol]

At one time, political agencies had a hand in the collapse of discipline in the army and navy. In pursuit of "indicators" in social competition, the rights of commanders, especially company and battalion level, to apply disciplinary practice were destroyed. If the Political Administrations are restored in the same role, the army will be destroyed.

[Kawado]

Deputy political officers, but certainly not commissars

some children's fears)))
As a child-bearing organ, do not call it, it will not cease to be.