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Why does Israel buy the USSR development complex from Kiev? Experts ponder

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The network published information about the acquisition by Israel of the military-technical complex from Ukraine. The speech, as reported, is about the automated station of passive radio intelligence (ASPRTR) "Kolchuga-M". According to some reports, Israel had previously concluded a corresponding agreement with the Ukrainian company Ukrspetsexport.


Why does Israel buy the USSR development complex from Kiev? Experts ponder


At the same time, it is alleged that the private company Airsom, for the needs of the Israeli military, was the buyer of Kolchugi-M aviation. It is noted that the reconnaissance complex will be used during the exercises of the Israeli Air Force. Why exactly this complex interested the Israeli company is not reported.

Experts point out that in Israel they can do a thorough study of its capabilities in order to assess the level of danger of its use by Israeli opponents in the region. However, Israel’s opponents in the Middle East do not have the “Kolchug” in service. But there are other (similar) complexes.

Kolchuga-M is a modernization of the automated passive RT-intelligence station developed in the Soviet Union. In serial version, "Mail" is made from 1987 year. The station is able to track air targets at a distance of 800 km (at altitudes of 10 thousand meters), ground - up to 600 km. At the same time, targets are not only detected, but are rather effectively recognized.

Kolchuga-M allows monitoring of emissions in a wide frequency range: 135-170 MHz, 230-470 MHz, 750-18 thousand MHz. The station is capable of simultaneously tracking signals from 200 for various purposes. To do this, use the 36-channel receiver and additional electronics.

To date, "Kolchuga" are produced on the SPC "Iskra" in the Zaporozhye region (Ukraine). At the same time, the production is actually "piece" in nature.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 31 December 2018 07: 20
    +11
    Well, there are all mine! And the gesheft is obvious!
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      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 31 December 2018 07: 32
        -8
        Quote: Broken
        Israel again planned some kind of dirty trick .... They will modernize and give the hell out of needles.
        Our special services must be on their guard!

        Vitaly, do not worry.
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          1. svp67
            svp67 31 December 2018 07: 51
            +15
            Quote: Broken
            How not to worry, Aron, you have brought down ours.

            Well, to be precise, it was not they who shot down, but the Israelis VERY contributed to this
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 31 December 2018 13: 14
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Vitaly don't worry

          From the Khokhlostan media - "Israel has acquired Ukrainian Kolchuga-M radars to intercept Syrian S-300"
      2. svp67
        svp67 31 December 2018 07: 35
        +6
        Quote: Broken
        .Modernize and give the devils igil.
        Our special services must be on their guard!

        Listen, but the Americans bought such a complex a long time ago and it is really not entirely clear why the Israelis are now or the "allies" are in no hurry to share all the information received.
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          1. svp67
            svp67 31 December 2018 07: 50
            +21
            Quote: Broken
            Israel will drink a lot more of our blood, I smell ..

            I don't even doubt it. Already with whom with whom, but with this "partner" not only must "keep an eye out", but it would not hurt to sew up the pockets.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 31 December 2018 08: 33
              +2
              Sergey, hi Why sew them up when in one pocket there is a louse on a lasso, and in another a flea on a chain ... wink
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                1. Bukhalov
                  Bukhalov 31 December 2018 13: 19
                  +5
                  Not you, but us. And you are not in vests, but we. Moreover, as expected in blue and white.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 31 December 2018 14: 39
                    +4
                    Glory to Gd, without vests. I came to my first sweetheart with a vest under beta, they took it to me quickly. They showed how that piece of night vision looks like in the small section in the context of the “tunic”. Much worse than a white T-shirt. Due to the contrast of the stripes.
              2. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 31 December 2018 09: 35
                +5
                Technology and information also cost money, if you bought it, then it was needed, just like that these comrades do not pay money. What are you thinking is the question. ??? They are developing an electronic warfare complex by order of the Pentagon and for their relatives.
              3. svp67
                svp67 31 December 2018 09: 35
                +8
                Vyacheslav hi
                Quote: sabakina
                Why sew them up when in one pocket there is a louse on a lasso, and in another a flea on a chain ...

                If this were the case, then the Yukas shareholders, most of them living there, would not demand 50 billion from us ....
                But ...
              4. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 31 December 2018 14: 07
                +2
                Quote: sabakina
                Sergey, hi Why sew them up when in one pocket there is a louse on a lasso, and in another a flea on a chain ... wink

                laughing already rummaged around ...
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco 31 December 2018 11: 49
              +7
              It’s strange to sew pockets for our Jews, both in power and in business, aren’t they all around, Jews alone. Not for nothing because in the Middle Ages they were driven in Europe as lousy in a bathhouse. For Serebrennik and mother they will sell their native. Checked.
              1. NOMADE
                NOMADE 1 January 2019 16: 06
                +1
                I read several times straight - Sberbank, only then for Serebrennik laughing hi
          2. Shiryon
            Shiryon 31 December 2018 09: 45
            -4
            Vitaly, and I can smell that you’ll still drink vodka unmeasured for your
            A life...
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 31 December 2018 07: 21
    +16
    Apparently study our school, principles and find methods of struggle. At the same time, take some of this into the development of our systems.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 31 December 2018 07: 35
      +3
      Andrei hi With you coming ..There are surely there are specialists who also developed this at the time. However, it is better to have a working sample. Yes, and we are ready to take off the last cowards to annoy us.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 31 December 2018 08: 00
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        Andrey Happy to you.

        And you with the Coming, Dmitry! drinks
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 31 December 2018 07: 40
      +10
      Quote: NEXUS
      our school principles

      The Soviet EW school was at a low level. This is only the last 10-15 years, this area in Russia began to be financed normally. Therefore, from a technological point of view, Israel will not receive anything.
      The purpose of the acquisition of Ukro-Kolchuga is the training of F-35 crews on counteracting passive location systems, analogues of which are in Syria and Iran.
      1. for
        for 31 December 2018 13: 16
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        The Soviet EW school was at a low level. This is only the last 10-15 years, this area in Russia began to be financed normally

        They gave money and immediately increased their minds.
    3. venik
      venik 31 December 2018 11: 03
      +7
      Quote: NEXUS
      Apparently study our school principles and find methods of struggle.

      ==========
      ".... Find methods of struggle ...." with the station RTR?? what Andrew! How do you imagine that??? To study its capabilities for detecting air and ground targets (in different conditions, frequency ranges and radiated power) - this is YES! It may be very interesting for them !! Moreover, there are such stations in the Russian army (though in Syria they did not seem to be "lit up"), but nevertheless ....
      -----
      Quote: NEXUS
      At the same time, take some of this into the development of their systems.

      ============
      And this is "closer to the body"! There seem to be very original design solutions. This is also supported by the fact that the Israelis became interested in Kolchuga-M, which differs from just Kolchuga in the main element base (the “M” has “western” on it, which facilitates the process of borrowing and copying).
      I am interested in something else: How was it possible to establish the production of "Kolchuga" at the Zaporozhye plant "Iskra", if, as before 2012, all the production of these systems was concentrated at NPO "Topaz", located in Donetsk!!! There was also all the equipment and documentation! ..... It is doubtful ...
      Rather sell out of their stocks. It seems more likely!
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 31 December 2018 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: venik
        Find methods of struggle .... "with the RTR station

        There are no absolutely invulnerable reconnaissance equipment. RTR stations, as well as ordinary, active radar reconnaissance systems, are subject to overloads both in information and in power.
        1. venik
          venik 31 December 2018 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: Vita VKO
          There are no absolutely invulnerable reconnaissance equipment. RTR stations as well as conventional active reconnaissance radar systems subject to overloads in both information and power.

          ==========
          What??? Do you, Vitali at least IMAGINE WHAT is a RTR station ??? Judging by your - comment - ABSOLUTELY NOT REPRESENT !!! So - this is ordinary RADIO DETECTOR!!! Exactly - OH !!! Only a very "large", highly sensitive and complex one - allowing to survey a very wide frequency range, to determine the bearing (and in the case of air targets - and the elevation angle) and with the help of a computer complex (into which databases on all known sources of EMP are previously "filled in" - radars, radio stations, electronic warfare equipment, radio beacons, etc.) determine the type of emitter (by analyzing the frequency, shape, duty cycle of signals). Also, if the output power of the emitter of the EME emitter (the same radar, for example) is known in advance by the damping decrement, it is sometimes possible to approximately estimate the distance to the object (but with a very large error). And to accurately determine the distance, nothing better than the triangulation method (intersection of bearings from 3 points by synchronized stations) has not yet been invented.
          Well, HOW are they (in the sense of the RTR station "overload in power" ??? Have you ever heard that the radio "burned out" from a too strong signal on the antenna ???
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 31 December 2018 15: 02
            +4
            Quote: venik
            Do you, Vitali at least IMAGINE WHAT is a RTR station ???

            Why are there so many emotions?
            Quote: venik
            So - this is a normal DF!

            For education at the vocational school level, this is probably the case. Although the same vocational school would ask: if everything is so simple, then why did Israel, and earlier China, Georgia, Vietnam buy them and pay a lot of money?
            Of course, I could tell you in detail what triangulation and the correlation-basic method of signal detection are, for many years I have been engaged in scientific research in this area and even have a Russian patent for an invention. But this is the Internet and I do not want to facilitate the work of our Israeli, Ukrainian and Georgian "friends". Let them scratch their turnips. Therefore, believe the specialist, the Kolchuga MRT has weaknesses and those who need to know this, even in the media there was some information, prada at a theoretical level. And I advise you to learn something. For example, the Zhukov Academy of East Kazakhstan Oblast has a department of electronic warfare, which is not very respected by me. Not very respected, because the scientific school of the Soviet GRU produces too categorical specialists, no doubt and no imagination, which significantly complicates the introduction of technologies, especially those that have no Western analogues. But with your categorical nature, you will quickly find like-minded people there.
            Good luck in the New Year!
          2. Rusfaner
            Rusfaner 31 December 2018 20: 30
            +3
            Have you heard about the dynamic overload of the receiver at the input?
            If a signal exceeding the dynamic range of the RF amplifier or, in its absence, of the mixer, is applied to the input of the PRM, then, firstly, the sensitivity will drop, and secondly, so many "combinations" will be generated that you can turn off the monitor.
      2. Disorder
        Disorder 31 December 2018 12: 19
        +3
        Quote: venik
        I am interested in something else: How was it possible to establish the production of "Kolchuga" at the Zaporozhye plant "Iskra", if, as before 2012, all production of these systems was focused on NPO "Topaz" located in Donetsk !!! There was also all the equipment and documentation! ..... It's doubtful ...

        Also, they set up the production of exploding mortars.
        1. venik
          venik 31 December 2018 13: 37
          0
          Quote: Trouble
          Also, they set up the production of exploding mortars.

          =========
          good Well then, fellow Jews risk getting an EXPLODING "Kolchuga"! laughing lol
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 1 January 2019 17: 00
          0
          They took out the documentation from Donetsk, and at Iskra they are making a radar, so there shouldn't be any special difficulties. Moreover, it is produced by the piece.
      3. sergei_zap
        sergei_zap 1 January 2019 21: 01
        0
        In 2014, NPO Topaz moved to Zaporozhye to Plant No. 80 or NPO Iskra, by the way, on Iskra there was the final assembly of Chain Mail into a finished product.
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 31 December 2018 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Apparently study our school, principles and find methods of struggle. At the same time, take some of this into the development of our systems.

      The main goal is to assess the capabilities of the system for detecting and improving the weapons systems in service with the Israeli army. Further - the development of methods and modernization of their weapons, allowing to reduce the effectiveness of the "Kolchuga" system and its Russian counterparts.
      1. venik
        venik 31 December 2018 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Further - the development of methods and modernization of their weapons, allowing to reduce the effectiveness of the "Kolchuga" system and its Russian counterparts.

        ===========
        Happy New Year, Peter !!! About "get acquainted with the possibilities" - this is in the top 10 !! Well, maybe some interesting technical solutions to spy on .... Well, what about "reducing efficiency" - so the most "radical measures" for this have long been known - radio silence, a turned off radar, well, shielding of all equipment capable of emitting something in the range covered by the RTR station !!! Then - she definitely - will not find ANYTHING !! Kolchuga really has one more "problem" - it works in 3 bands, between which there are "blind" "holes" - 0,17-0,23 GHz and 0,47-0,75 GHz ... In these ranges, the station either does not "see" anything at all, or sees "very badly" (I don’t know for sure these stations appeared later and I only know about them what is in Internet) ...
    5. Bukhalov
      Bukhalov 31 December 2018 13: 23
      +2
      Another great proletarian poet Vladimir Mayakovsky wrote: "Look at the world without glasses and without blinkers, With greedy eyes, grasp what is good in our Jewish land, And what is good in the West." In this particular case, in a country located to the west of Russia.
  3. Professor
    Professor 31 December 2018 07: 27
    +4
    However, Israel's opponents in the Middle East do not have Kolchugas in service.

    Not yet, but may appear. Therefore, it is necessary to prepare today.

    In general, the Ukrainian complex is interesting. Especially because he is passive ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 31 December 2018 08: 37
      0
      Oleg, well, if only they could appear from Ukraine .... Will you erase Ukraine from the face of the Earth?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 December 2018 08: 46
        +5
        Quote: sabakina
        Oleg, well, if only they could appear from Ukraine .... Will you erase Ukraine from the face of the Earth?

        Georgian tanks just Ukrainians and Israelis modernized.
      2. Professor
        Professor 31 December 2018 08: 56
        -2
        Quote: sabakina
        Oleg, well, if only they could appear from Ukraine .... Will you erase Ukraine from the face of the Earth?

        What for? request

        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Georgian tanks just Ukrainians and Israelis modernized.

        Yes. There have never been international restrictions on the supply of arms against Georgia, and there have been no sanctions and no.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 31 December 2018 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Yes. There have never been international restrictions on the supply of arms against Georgia, and there have been no sanctions and no.

          And why then did your foreign ministry slow down the contract for the sale of Merkava to Georgia, did they ask for something a lot under 1000 pcs?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 31 December 2018 10: 45
            +1
            Because Israel is well aware that when they sold Merkava 1 to Singapore, it was a good advertisement, and selling it to Georgians would be anti-advertising.
          2. Professor
            Professor 31 December 2018 13: 43
            -1
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: Professor
            Yes. There have never been international restrictions on the supply of arms against Georgia, and there have been no sanctions and no.

            And why then did your foreign ministry slow down the contract for the sale of Merkava to Georgia, did they ask for something a lot under 1000 pcs?

            You can not slow down what was not there.

            Quote: venik
            Have you seen ACTIVE electronic intelligence systems somewhere ??? (They also called themselves "professor"!).

            You can call it a "radio reconnaissance station", or you can call it a "radar system", which in this case is the same, but the result is the same radar that allows you to detect an air target, calculate its course and coordinates while remaining unnoticed.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 1 January 2019 10: 53
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              You can not slow down what was not there.

              Such a shitty translation of course:
              Israel will start supplying modern Merkava-4 tanks to Georgia. Information about this was disseminated by the information and analytical portal "Economic Security".
              According to unspecified "world media", the Israeli Defense Ministry gave the go-ahead for the delivery of the Merkava-4 to the armies of friendly states in agreement with the American administration. Georgia is also among the friendly countries.
              Tank "Merkava-4" is recognized by experts as one of the best tanks of our time. Earlier, the Israeli military industry produced several dozen Merkava-4 tanks a year, and all of them were used exclusively by the IDF.
              Recall that after the August war of 2008, Israel at the request of Russia stopped supplying arms to Georgia.
              However, due to the fact that Russia continues to supply strategic weapons to Israel's opponents in the region (in particular, the powerful Yakhont anti-ship cruise missiles to the Syrians), Israel is resuming military cooperation with Georgia, whose army remained virtually unarmed as a result of the war with Russia.

              Pay attention to the source of information http://cursorinfo.co...kava-for-georg/
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 January 2019 11: 54
                0
                Quote: APASUS
                The information and analytical portal "Economic Security" has spread this information.

                They lie.
                For the first time Merkava was presented at the Eurosatory 2010 exhibition in Paris. In the same year, the MO lifted the ban on the export of this tank. Military cooperation with Georgia was terminated at 2008 at the request of its northern neighbor. Therefore, there was no question of any supplies of Merkava to Georgia.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 1 January 2019 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  They lie.
                  For the first time Merkava was presented at the Eurosatory 2010 exhibition in Paris. In the same year, the MO lifted the ban on the export of this tank. Military cooperation with Georgia was terminated at 2008 at the request of its northern neighbor. Therefore, there was no question of any supplies of Merkava to Georgia.

                  But to be honest, they did not convince. If I find there is another source, I will try to copy
        2. Bukhalov
          Bukhalov 31 December 2018 13: 25
          +3
          Unlike Russia, there has never been anti-Semitism there. Kohl akavot!
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 December 2018 13: 44
            +2
            Quote: Bukhalov
            Unlike Russia, there has never been anti-Semitism there. Kohl akavot!

            Unlike Russia, Jews have lived in Georgia for 2600 years since the time of the First Temple. Really well done Georgians.
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 31 December 2018 14: 17
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Bukhalov
              Unlike Russia, there has never been anti-Semitism there. Kohl akavot!

              Unlike Russia, Jews have lived in Georgia for 2600 years since the time of the First Temple. Really well done Georgians.

              It began .... the most, the most, the most.
              1. Professor
                Professor 2 January 2019 07: 22
                +1
                Quote: MKPU-115
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Bukhalov
                Unlike Russia, there has never been anti-Semitism there. Kohl akavot!

                Unlike Russia, Jews have lived in Georgia for 2600 years since the time of the First Temple. Really well done Georgians.

                It began .... the most, the most, the most.

                Come by, I serve on Fridays.

                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: Professor
                Unlike Russia, Jews have lived in Georgia for 2600 years since the time of the First Temple. Really well done Georgians.

                If only on the lunar calendar.

                Do not boast of your ignorance.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 1 January 2019 21: 45
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Unlike Russia, Jews have lived in Georgia for 2600 years since the time of the First Temple. Really well done Georgians.

              If only on the lunar calendar.
        3. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 31 December 2018 14: 16
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: sabakina
          Oleg, well, if only they could appear from Ukraine .... Will you erase Ukraine from the face of the Earth?

          What for? request

          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Georgian tanks just Ukrainians and Israelis modernized.

          Yes. There have never been international restrictions on the supply of arms against Georgia, and there have been no sanctions and no.

          Sorry, but what sanctions may be against the lackeys of the United States by the United States.
          This is equivalent to the United States declaring sanctions to Israel.
    2. venik
      venik 31 December 2018 11: 14
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      in general Ukrainian the complex is interesting.

      ==========
      Well, let's start with the fact that Kolchuga is NOT ALL a Ukrainian complex - it was developed at the Kursk Research Institute of the GRU (Kursk is actually Russia!). In Ukraine, it was simply "brought to mind" (quite seriously modified to mass production) ...
      --------
      Quote: Professor
      Especially because he is passive ...

      =========
      Have you seen somewhere ACTIVE complexes electronic intelligence?? fool (They also called themselves "professor"!).
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 31 December 2018 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      In general, the Ukrainian complex is interesting. Especially because he is passive ...

      Can you name active radio intelligence systems?
      1. Avior
        Avior 31 December 2018 14: 26
        -1
        those that are combined with the reb or can be combined.
        e.g. AN / SLQ-32
        in version (V) 1 and (V) 2, these are passive RTR stations used to shoot traps, in version (V) 3 - active
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 1 January 2019 19: 19
          0
          Quote: Avior
          those that are combined with the reb or can be combined.
          e.g. AN / SLQ-32
          in version (V) 1 and (V) 2, these are passive RTR stations used to shoot traps, in version (V) 3 - active

          AN / SLQ-32 is an electronic warfare system (EW) with a limited radio intelligence function.
          The question was about RTR systems
          1. Avior
            Avior 2 January 2019 09: 36
            0
            Versions B1 and B2 are actually used as RTR, they do not have an active part.
            but basically I agree that RTR is passive work
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 1 January 2019 14: 44
      0
      Complex !!!
      Quote: Professor
      However, Israel's opponents in the Middle East do not have Kolchugas in service.

      Not yet, but may appear. Therefore, it is necessary to prepare today.

      In general, the Ukrainian complex is interesting. Especially because he is passive ...

      And in the complex there are three workstations - central and lateral. Creating a network of direction finding radars.
  4. Kerensky
    Kerensky 31 December 2018 07: 47
    0
    Once in my playful pens I got a spare part from a similar complex. Together with a passport. Fairly precious metals are contained there. So everything can be much simpler ....
  5. Adimius38
    Adimius38 31 December 2018 07: 54
    -8
    Israel is buying a really very powerful system of analogues that even Russia does not have. OUR VEGA has two times lower characteristics. And why buy here, there’s nothing to even guess, with such characteristics, even from the center of Israel Jerusalem, this station covers the territory of most of Syria and Lebanon, including our VKS base in Syria. And setting it right on the border, it will finish right up to the Turkish border, shining through the entire territory of Syria. With such a system, all of our and Syrian movements will be in Syria in the palm of your hand, both land and air
    1. Plate
      Plate 31 December 2018 08: 42
      0
      I wonder why Ukraine does not use such powerful systems?
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 31 December 2018 13: 31
        -3
        and where did you get that does not use? just the same, it uses and has the ability to shine through virtually the entire south of Russia by installing these systems on the border with Crimea. For example, they perfectly see the whole of Novorossiysk, all the movements that take off and where it flies from the military base of the airborne forces in Krymsk.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 31 December 2018 10: 37
      +3
      Quote: Adimius38
      OUR VEGA has two times lower characteristics.

      First of all, two. Secondly, Vega is a means or air defense, chain mail was developed on the instructions of the GRU ..., EMNIP Vega can draw target tracks .. she has three receivers .., chain mail cannot.
    3. venik
      venik 31 December 2018 12: 14
      +2
      Quote: Adimius38
      Israel is buying a really very powerful system of analogues that even Russia does not have.

      =========
      Are you sure??? On the trunk of one "gelding" I saw a sticker with the inscription: "Not sure - don't catch up! ". What exactly is in service today - I do not know. But I EXACTLY know in the RTR the real capabilities of the stations are" secret "worse than in the electronic warfare and air defense! At least in the early 80s it was exactly the same I think now - ALSO !!! The only exceptions are those systems that are "promoted" for export!
      ----------
      Quote: Adimius38
      OUR VEGA has two times lower characteristics.

      =========
      Why compare "God's gift" with "scrambled eggs" ??? This is the same as comparing the S-400 with the Buk-M3 (after all, the stupidest occupation - do you agree? different destination!). So here - "Kolchuga" is a complex army link, designed for reconnaissance of radio-emitting targets, including in depth territory enemy. "Vega" is a divisional link complex aimed at performing the same tasks, but mainly in the near and long frontline zone.
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 31 December 2018 13: 34
        -4
        Will we play guesswork? maybe we have something in the bins, so what ??? In my opinion this is not serious. So drop this kindergarten. Chain mail is real and exists, unlike some mythical systems in the bins of the Russian Federation
    4. Bad thing
      Bad thing 1 January 2019 16: 49
      +1
      Quote: Adimius38
      with these characteristics, even from the center of Israel, Jerusalem, this station covers the territory of most of Syria and Lebanon, including our VKS base in Syria. And setting it right on the border, it will finish right up to the Turkish border, shining through the entire territory of Syria
      Dear, you have such concepts as a natural screen and a radio horizon. are you familiar?
  6. Awaz
    Awaz 31 December 2018 07: 56
    +6
    Russian systems, in the same Syria, operate on very similar schemes. The construction of the Jews is hardly interesting in itself. But the methods of counteracting this system and the methods of suppressing it are very ...
    1. venik
      venik 31 December 2018 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: AwaZ
      And here are the methods counteraction this system and its methods suppression - very much ...

      ========
      Dear Valery! Can you tell HOW you can "counteract" the RTR station ???
      I know how to "suppress" this - to find its location (say, with the help of undercover or satellite reconnaissance, well, to the extreme, "take direction using our own RTR stations at the time of data transmission to the command post) rocket!!! In a different way - NO !!!
      But "to counteract" is HOW ??? EW system or what ?? Well, just the electronic warfare stations are some of the most "tasty" targets of RTR !!!
      You probably just DO NOT IMAGINE HOW RTR systems work !!
    2. Adimius38
      Adimius38 31 December 2018 13: 40
      -5
      do you even read what you write, why the heck do they counteract Ukrainian chain mail
  7. shans2
    shans2 31 December 2018 08: 20
    -1
    how the Chinese are buying up everything and then making copies. Nothing new. For a complete copy of 30 years have passed since this development, everything went far ahead for Russia ... but let nerds train on the Ukrainian remnants of the S-300 from the 80s and the export version of the S-300 from the Greeks from the 90s ...
  8. Shuttle
    Shuttle 31 December 2018 09: 21
    0
    The question is in the price of the contract.
    Maybe this is stupid recycle?
    Ukrainians can.
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 31 December 2018 09: 32
    +1
    The Sumerians, for money, will love each other ... Not just a complex, they will sell it ..
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 31 December 2018 09: 47
    +5
    I read the TTX and did not quite understand how this station works. It turns out that it reads radio signals that spread over long distances through reflection in the troposphere, that is, does this station only see active radars or the equipment on which the radars are turned on or the radio stations work to transmit data?

    But the same aircraft that flies with the radar switched off in the radio silence mode will not be detected by such a complex, just like a tank whose station does not work; the radio station does not work for transmission, we will not be visible to it either.

    A significant plus of such a complex is a range of 800 km, which makes it possible to detect radars and AWACS aircraft that will direct fighters at targets or simply conduct reconnaissance.

    Now in Israel, such complexes were delivered to Russia back in the USSR, the plant that produced them "Topaz" in Donetsk. That is, if Russia in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense is not full of mugs, then we have such a complex for a long time, and it probably already works in Syria today. So the Jews bought it, train their vultures and develop tactics to counter such detection complexes.

    Ukraine supplied similar complexes to China, Azerbaijan, Ethiopia, Turkmenistan, Vietnam and Georgia.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 5 January 2019 15: 43
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      And the same plane that flies with the radar switched off in the radio silence mode doesn’t detect such a complex, nor does the tank whose station the radio works on, the radio doesn’t work for transmission, it will not be visible to it either

      There are systems on the plane that are also active in radio silence mode. Altimeter, navigation system, for example.
  11. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 31 December 2018 09: 50
    +2
    Waltzman is selling everything he can, getting ready to "tick". read the litak.
  12. lexa333
    lexa333 31 December 2018 09: 56
    +1
    The plant is on the verge of closure.
    1. Antares
      Antares 1 January 2019 12: 56
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      Quote: lexa333
      The plant is on the verge of closure.

      in 2017 they had a serious financial failure
      For the first quarter of 2018, the net result from the financial and economic activities of KP NPK Iskra amounted to 520 thousand UAH, which was 258 thousand UAH more than the planned profit.
      Gross margin in the amount of more than 17% (against the planned indicator of 14,9%) indicates that during the analyzed period the performance was at a fairly high level, even if a significant part - 99% of the total sales volume, the company carried out state order.
      As a result of successful activities, the company in the first quarter of this year transferred to the state benefit, payments to budgets of all levels, more than 79 million UAH.
      The average salary in the first quarter of 2018 reached 12572 UAH per month. It should be noted that from April 1, another stage of increasing tariffs and official salaries of employees by 10% took place. From June 1, the next increase of 10% of the main part of wages is planned. The financial plan for the second half of the year provides for an average salary of 15060 UAH.
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 31 December 2018 11: 05
    +2
    The news is about nothing. A passive reconnaissance station is good because it is not detected by radiation. But not a panacea. Most likely, Israel wants to consider it as the basis for its development. I think this is another example of the sale of Soviet heritage by hohland.
  14. shalkir
    shalkir 31 December 2018 11: 18
    +2
    Why do we all say here that this complex is Ukrainian? It was made at the union, at an enterprise that is already in the DPR. And they could not modernize it to the modern level. Apparently their entire letter "M" in the name consists in a transfer from the Urals to their Kraz
  15. Old26
    Old26 31 December 2018 11: 57
    +7
    To date, "Kolchuga" are produced on the SPC "Iskra" in the Zaporozhye region (Ukraine). At the same time, the production is actually "piece" in nature.

    Well, in the days of the Soviet Socialist Republic and post-Soviet times, production also cannot be said to be massive.

    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Broken
    .Modernize and give the devils igil.
    Our special services must be on their guard!

    Listen, but the Americans bought such a complex a long time ago and it is really not entirely clear why the Israelis are now or the "allies" are in no hurry to share all the information received.

    At least the Czech counterpart with a wider range of viewed frequencies, but with a lower detection range, the Americans purchased.
    It is possible that this station will track the movement and the presence in one place or another of Syrian air defense systems. A peculiar response to our supply of S-300 systems to Syria. At least the parameters of this station make it possible to record ground targets practically throughout Syria, part of Turkey, northern Egypt, all of Jordan, part of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. And air targets - even further.

    Quote: NEXUS
    Apparently study our school, principles and find methods of struggle. At the same time, take some of this into the development of our systems.

    They may study the design school, but as for the principles of action, it is still not our invention. The main breakthrough in these developments was made in Czechoslovakia in the late 50s. Unfortunately, scientists from the former Soviet bloc, well aware of the pros and cons of radars, spent many years in the field of passive radio intelligence, but without much success.

    And the first stations of this type appeared in Czechoslovakia - the PRP-1 "Koras" station In service since 1963. Then the PRP-2 or KRTP-81 "Ramona" station appeared (one such complex was delivered to Syria), then the KRTP-81M "Ramona-M" (two complexes plus one training one were delivered to Syria), KRTP-86 "Tamara", KRTP-91 "Tamara-M", and finally the last generation station "Vera" (2004-2005). The latter two were acquired by the United States. Stations like "Ramona" (14 units), "Ramona-M" (10 units) and "Tamara" (15 units) were supplied to the USSR. After that, the development of our Kolsuga stations began. So they are unlikely to learn anything new about ours. The only definite plus of the Kolchuga is their detection range. 600 km for ground targets and 800 km for air targets (flying at an altitude of 10 km)
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    2. shalkir
      shalkir 31 December 2018 12: 25
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      I remember that it seems like they were produced at TOPAZ (NGOs) in Donetsk?
      And I fully support that no one will know anything new since the times of the USSR
      1. Antares
        Antares 1 January 2019 13: 04
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        Quote: shalkir
        I remember that it seems like they were produced at TOPAZ (NGOs) in Donetsk?

        PJSC "Topaz" was evacuated from Donetsk to the Zaporozhye region (Iskra plant is the main manufacturer)
        In 1990, there were about 20 Kolchuga radio stations in Ukraine. At the beginning of 2000, Ukraine began exporting a radio station abroad. The cost of the station can be estimated at 24 million million dollars as of 2011. According to the director of Topaz Donetsk holding, in Ukraine in 2007 there was not a single Kolchuga workstation. As of 2009, according to various sources, in Ukraine there were 19 arsenals of Kolchug and Kolchug-M stations in service. While Ukraine delivered to Russia 18 stations "Mail" after 1992.
        1. shalkir
          shalkir 2 January 2019 21: 30
          -1
          Maybe. But to declare that in passive mode to detect ground targets at a distance of 600 km, and even with difficult terrain - I think this is complete nonsense! No one has such technologies yet
  16. Tektor
    Tektor 31 December 2018 12: 03
    +3
    Well, why - it’s obvious here: open the A2 / AD zone around Hmeimim and Tartus, because only passive reconnaissance stations are capable of tracking targets in closed access zones. There is a Czech station, but with weaker characteristics. And Mail is a unique passive radar with excellent performance characteristics.
    1. shans2
      shans2 31 December 2018 12: 19
      +2
      it all works if there is no electronic warfare that covers and mimics any targets ... including against such radio intelligence. That is the problem, the partners are 20 years behind Russia. Because fuss delivers.
    2. shalkir
      shalkir 31 December 2018 12: 27
      -1
      Isn't passive radars "choking" with modern electronic warfare?
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 31 December 2018 12: 56
        +2
        As far as I know - do not choke: EW against passive is useless. That's why it is passive, which does not emit anything, but only fixes and recognizes. And how Kolchug is able to detect ground objects at ranges up to 600 km - this is a great miracle. We do not have such. We have Casta-2-2, which can detect near surface objects at ranges up to 100 km. And there is Valeria, which has approximately the same detection range.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 1 January 2019 21: 51
          +1
          Quote: shalkir
          Isn't passive radars "choking" with modern electronic warfare?

          Quote: Tektor
          As far as I know - do not choke: EW against passive is useless.

          Most likely, the electronic warfare systems do not crush but deceive passive radars, they see not what they really are.
    3. Adimius38
      Adimius38 31 December 2018 13: 39
      -4
      all right, but Russian urry patriots do not believe it
  17. mehan
    mehan 31 December 2018 12: 11
    +1
    For Chainmail there is no curvature of the Earth.
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  19. Lamatinets
    Lamatinets 31 December 2018 12: 53
    0
    Afraid, what if you bomb them?
  20. tac26
    tac26 31 December 2018 13: 26
    0
    Why buy yes to find out how it was possible to do IT on such an element base and how to upgrade and repeat
  21. Adimius38
    Adimius38 31 December 2018 13: 38
    -3
    You can argue for a long time about this station, but one thing is obvious: it will give Israel a lot of valuable information to a depth of 600 km from its border by land and 800 km in the air. And I repeat this again the whole territory of Syria with Lebanon put together exactly where the Israelis actively stick their nose
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  23. Old26
    Old26 31 December 2018 14: 48
    +3
    Quote: shalkir
    Why do we all say here that this complex is Ukrainian? It was made at the union, at an enterprise that is already in the DPR. And they could not modernize it to the modern level. Apparently their entire letter "M" in the name consists in a transfer from the Urals to their Kraz

    Because the complex was created at an enterprise located in the city of Donetsk. Which at that time was the regional center of Ukraine. Therefore, now they sometimes say that it is a Soviet, and now Ukrainian complex.

    They were able to modernize it to the modern level. And "M" does not consist in transferring from "Ural" to "KRAZ". You should not consider the Ukrainian military-industrial complex as complete de-bills, who can do nothing. By the way, 18 of the 30 Kolchug-M stations produced after the collapse of the USSR were supplied to the Russian Armed Forces. Or do you think that our suckers did not know what they were taking?

    And the Special Design Bureau OJSC, Donetsk National Technical University, Saturn Kiev enterprise, Poltava Elsis OJSC, Orizon (Smela), KPK NPK Iskra, Generator participated in the development of the new version of Chainmail ”(Kiev),“ KrAZ ”, Department of Radio Engineering and Radio Engineering, NTUU“ KPI ”.
  24. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 December 2018 16: 41
    +4
    Israel has always bought samples of Soviet / Russian technology from third parties for study.
    If you could not take the trophies.
    This is a common practice.
    1. barik92090
      barik92090 1 January 2019 21: 54
      +1
      And in Russia there are many of their agents who are ready to sell their mother.
  25. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 31 December 2018 21: 47
    +4
    They will work out ways to break through Syrian air defense.
  26. Yaroslav K.
    Yaroslav K. 31 December 2018 22: 54
    +3
    Probably the station will be used for its intended purpose. "Kolchuga" can open the entire air defense system of Syria in a couple of days. Radar location, work schedule, working parameters, etc. Suppressing a station is the same as suppressing all surrounding radars.
  27. COJIDAT
    COJIDAT 1 January 2019 05: 48
    +1
    Happy New Year comrades! At the outskirts, there were 19 of them, I wonder how much they pulled, taking into account the piece production of this pepelats. Most likely, someone from the Union republics of the USA will be sold through Israel.
  28. please
    please 1 January 2019 08: 17
    +1
    Syria and Russia are going to mute the guidance channels of the air defense of Syria and Russia. Yes, and train their own in the conditions of electronic warfare as close as possible to combat ones.
  29. Antares
    Antares 1 January 2019 13: 10
    0
    The Israeli company Airsom Ltd. I bought the Kolchuga-M radio-technical reconnaissance station from Ukraine, reports Defense Blog referring to the import and export tracking website ImportGenius. There is no official confirmation of this information yet.

    so this is all unofficial.

    you look at the price-61031209,97 (61 million)
    the picture is incomplete - for such a sum not only the "hardware machine" is included ...
    The price for 2011 on the network is 24 million. By the way, they were not selling to private traders.
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    page 1 January 2019 13: 30
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    [quote = Old26] And the Special Design Bureau OJSC, Donetsk National Technical University, Kiev Saturn enterprise, Poltava Elsis OJSC, Orizon (Smela), and CPC NPK participated in the development of the new version of Chainmail; Iskra ”,“ Generator ”(Kiev),“ KrAZ ”, Department of Radio Engineering and Radio Engineering, NTUU“ KPI ”.

    Nice to read knowledgeable people! Yours faithfully! drinks
  31. barik92090
    barik92090 1 January 2019 21: 50
    -1
    It is dangerous to transfer weapons to a country that, at any (usually the most inappropriate) moment, can lay a multi-way trick.