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Letter from the "last prisoner of war" from the USA: "I am ashamed to be an American"

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In the United States, they wrote letters to the "last American POW" by Bowie Bergdal, an 26-year-old soldier from Idaho, captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2009. Rolling Stone magazine saw excerpts from Bergdal’s last letter. It turned out, shortly before his capture, the soldier experienced far from patriotic feelings.

So, in a letter from 27 June 2009, sent shortly before the young man was captured, Bergdahl wrote that he was disappointed in the war and that he was “ashamed” of being an American. “The future is too good to spend on lies,” wrote Bowie. “And life is too short to condemn others and help fools with their wrong ideas. I saw what they turn into, I am even ashamed to be an American. Self-satisfied arrogance in which they bathe, terrible. Just disgusting. "

In the letter, Bergdal listed a number of things that had outraged him. According to him, three good sergeants were transferred to another battalion, and "a rare schmuck was put at their head." In turn, his boss was the "old conceited fool." The military system as a whole, according to the soldier, was broken.

"In the American army they humiliate you for honesty ... but if you are a vain bag of shit, you are allowed to do whatever you want, and even give you a high rank to boot ... it's wrong. I'm ashamed of being an American. And the title of American soldier is just a lie for fools, "wrote Bowie, noting that all worthy sergeants whom he respected were planning to leave and advised the rank and file to follow their example. "The US Army is just a big joke, over which the world should laugh. This is an army of liars who can drive a knife in the back, fools and hooligans," he said.

At the end of the letter, Bergdal turned to the condemnation of US military policy. According to him, the actions of the American troops in Afghanistan completely contradict the declared motto of the campaign "to conquer the hearts and minds" of the Afghans. "These people need help, but all they get from the most vain country in the world is the assurance that they are nothing, that they are stupid and do not know how to live," Bowie explained in a letter to parents.

In this case, the sergeant draws attention to the episode that turned his mind: he talks about how he witnessed how an Afghan child came under the armored vehicle MRAP. “We don’t even get hurt when we hear each other’s stories about Afghan children, crushed on the muddy streets by our armored trucks ... We laugh at them (the Afghans) right in their faces, and then we laugh at the fact that they don’t understand we insult them, "the sergeant resented.

At the end of the letter, Bowie attributed the fact that in a different context could be counted as a suicide note. “I’m sorry for everything. Because America is so terribly disgusting,” he wrote.

According to the magazine, the Pentagon “stopped all Bowie’s public discussions,” while all of the sergeant’s colleagues were “obligated to sign non-disclosure agreements that were part of the documents that they executed to leave Afghanistan.” The Pentagon and the White House also put pressure on large news agencies and publications such as The New York Times and AP, so that they avoid mentioning the name Bowie, thereby "without exposing him to additional risk."

At the same time, the US Department of Defense says that it is doing everything possible to free Bergdal, including holding talks with the Taliban on the exchange of the sergeant for five Taliban. Meanwhile, Bowie is still in captivity.
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  1. Dmitriy69
    Dmitriy69 8 June 2012 16: 42
    +34
    What are they right when they get captured. Clearly to their advantage
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 June 2012 16: 47
      +22
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      What are they right when I get captured


      in the Wall Street Journal there were secret letters from the Department of Justice (this is an analogue of the Ministry). They say that the President of the United States, as commander in chief of the army, had the authority to authorize the use of "hard" interrogation methods in Iraq. In fact, the lawyers then agreed: you can violate the Constitution and torture prisoners in order to "protect the lives of Americans."

      Today, lawyers have filed a lawsuit against reservist soldiers who worked under Abu Ghraib on a contract basis. This document states that the guards tortured, insulted and raped the prisoners in order to ... receive an increase in salary.

      The culprits are three soldiers, whose names were first made public by the same Antonio Taguba: Adel Nahla, Stephen Stefanovich and John Israel, employees of the American security firms Titan and CACI. The case materials also include new, extremely brutal "interrogation techniques", reminiscent of the times of the Spanish Inquisition rather than the 63st century. In particular, a prisoner named Rashid was ripped out of his nails and shocked, applying electrodes to his tongue. Another inmate, Ahmed, was forced to watch his XNUMX-year-old father die of torture.
    2. Churchill
      Churchill 8 June 2012 16: 51
      +23
      Now they do not need him! And now all he has to do is to convert to Islam and fight against the state. Excuses like “I was forced” will not work.
    3. Odessa
      Odessa 8 June 2012 16: 52
      +26
      Not everyone is McCain wassat The only thing I didn’t understand was the subscription about the disclosure of what? What is their democracy and can say everything in a row, or their atrocities regarding the inhabitants of Afghanistan. So the whole YouTube is bombarded with video. Or are they idiots or pretend to be? In one, the sergeant is right that the world has already been perverted to such an extent (homosexuals, etc.) that scum is held in high esteem, and honesty is a vice for an American? request
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 8 June 2012 17: 08
        +25
        Quote: Odessa
        Not everyone is McCain


        Dear Esther, believe me, you poorly know his biography

        after a rocket salvo that Johnny fired from his plane right on the deck, the aircraft carrier flared up like a match. "Forrestal" on which he served, killed a hundred and fifty sailors, hundreds were injured and burned, a lot of aircraft on the deck were destroyed and the aircraft carrier itself was disabled for a year. McCain himself was immediately evacuated and transferred, out of harm's way, to another aircraft carrier. Where he was soon, during a combat mission, to the great relief of the US Navy was shot down by a Soviet missile, and out of action for five and a half years After returning to the United States, doctors and physiotherapists said that he could no longer fly. Johnny did not believe them, rightly assuming in this diagnosis the intrigues of ill-wishers seeking to close his "way to heaven". I did not believe it and took the plane into the air. This time he ejected without fractures. Experience is experience.

        Thus, during his service, he destroyed four of his aircraft (not counting the 21 aircraft that burned down in the Forrestal fire) and inflicted serious damage to the aircraft carrier (estimated damage -75 million dollars excluding the cost of aircraft, when converted to today's prices of about 1,5 , XNUMX billion). He killed one and a half hundred of his compatriots.

        And to the Vietnamese, he said the following:

        "I am a black criminal and I acted like an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors."
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 8 June 2012 17: 39
          +20
          So is McCain our man? it would be better if he continued to serve.
          1. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
            Hysnik-Tsuzoy 8 June 2012 20: 07
            +3
            Quote: vorobey
            it would be better if he continued to serve


            In his presidency
          2. Admral
            Admral 10 June 2012 16: 14
            +1
            vorobey,
            so him the star of the hero of the USSR DESIRE FOR ........
        2. puskarinkis
          puskarinkis 8 June 2012 21: 01
          +9
          - Grandpa, is it true that during the war, you shot down several planes !? -Well, not that I would bring down ... I didn’t refuel! request
        3. tut ya
          tut ya 9 June 2012 00: 45
          +2
          thanks for the info))) laughed heartily
        4. pribolt
          pribolt 9 June 2012 04: 46
          +2
          Vadim is an interesting story of McCain, maybe he worked for the USSR laughing Give a reference.
          1. saruman
            saruman 9 June 2012 14: 50
            +2
            McCain works for the Rothschilds.
      2. NKVD
        NKVD 8 June 2012 17: 27
        +11
        Quote: Odessa
        I did not understand the only thing, a subscription about the disclosure of what?

        This is so that the amersky people do not know what they (the people) really are, and do not wake up from "anesthesia" ..
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 8 June 2012 17: 31
          +12
          NKVD, So it seems they woke up, either from anesthesia or from democratic hypnosis, they shorter wassat . Last week, in the news block, I read how Vietnam veterans of the Vietnam War ripped off their badges. There are no links, believe me a word?
          1. NKVD
            NKVD 8 June 2012 17: 59
            +8
            Quote: Odessa
            read how veterans of the Vietnam War ripped off badges in the USA

            They (veterans) threw their awards in the direction of the White House back in the early 70s and then everything was forgotten, now they consider themselves to be a "chosen by God" nation that can and must rule the world. Until once again someone will not "knock" them on the head. and if the Germans failed to drown the world in blood, then they try to drown it in "penitential" tears .. the same can be said about this prisoner
            1. Joker
              Joker 8 June 2012 21: 10
              +8
              Yesterday I talked with the Americans on the forum, so 80% of them strongly believe that the United States should seize all the oil on the planet, otherwise it will fall into the hands of tyrants like Asar, Putin and they will hire terrorists who try to infiltrate America smile although there are healthy people, but their absolute minority.
      3. CC-18a
        CC-18a 8 June 2012 23: 05
        0
        In the United States and the United States citizen, you can talk about one thing! the fact that they supposedly can say anything, like freedom) You can’t say something else, either they will imprison or try to death.
    4. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 8 June 2012 16: 55
      +9
      Quote: Dmitriy69

      What are they right when they get captured. Clearly to their advantage


      Is not a fact! One well-known character, after sitting in the Vietnam pit, the cuckoo was finally torn off :)
      1. matex
        matex 8 June 2012 16: 59
        +4
        YES, there not only the cuckoo was torn off, there apparently all the residues of gray matter from the teapot were cleanly washed away wink
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 June 2012 17: 18
          +10
          Here, here on a website, someone wrote that the American army is the best in the world. Sometimes I think why the Lord still has not erased America, maybe for the sake of those not many who are still people. Turned away from faith and what have they become? The answer is unfortunately obvious!
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 8 June 2012 17: 23
        +7
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Is not a fact! One well-known character, after sitting in the Vietnam pit, the cuckoo was finally torn off :)

        What is interesting, duck is that this character was not released from captivity by Rimbaud, but by a Soviet officer who took pity on the stupid pilot.
      3. Dmitriy69
        Dmitriy69 8 June 2012 17: 26
        +5
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Is not a fact! One well-known character, after sitting in the Vietnam pit, the cuckoo was finally torn off :)

        Yes, there is one. Only the grave will correct some of the gifted recourse You can’t help things with one captivity laughing
    5. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 8 June 2012 17: 25
      +5
      There is no need to be "right" or "wrong". Here, in fact, - which was required to prove. Only those people are very late in understanding the things they have done.

      I forgot to add: - I am sorry that in Our World there is such a morally insignificant state - as the United States.
    6. Neighbor
      Neighbor 8 June 2012 17: 29
      +6
      Eh - his words would be - yes, in Bosko to ALL Amer mercenaries and murderers, looters and robbers !!! am
      The words are Golden !!! good
      Quote:
      America is so terribly disgusting. yes
      I am even ashamed to be an American yes
      Sadly Toko is very that:
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      Only for some reason, the American must be captured so that his conscience can be found
      sad
      And this Amer - God is a judge !!! Maybe it will be counted - remorse! yes
      1. Dmitry.V
        Dmitry.V 8 June 2012 18: 18
        +2
        I can be mistaken, in the United States, like Catholics, their pain means redemption.
        1. Armata
          Armata 9 June 2012 08: 23
          +3
          Quote: Dmitry.V
          I can be mistaken, in the United States, like Catholics, their pain means redemption.

          In the United States, it’s not Catholics, but Baptists is not faith at all, but a sect that has broken away from the Catholic Church.
          1. pernaty
            pernaty 9 June 2012 10: 12
            +3
            Do not forget about Mormons! That's where the scumbags are full.
      2. Pula
        Pula 9 June 2012 08: 17
        0
        What remorse, a coward saving himself. The Taliban have learned to wage an information war. The Americans know that they themselves have taught them this, and change the rules of the game, thereby "not subjecting him to additional risk." This Bowie will be the next McCain.
    7. Katran
      Katran 8 June 2012 17: 41
      +13
      Excerpts were from a letter that was written BEFORE his capture, read those article carefully. Honest people are everywhere, I’m asking you not to be likened to those zombie Americans who consider all Russian drunkards to be subhuman otherwise than you are better than them.
      1. smile
        smile 8 June 2012 18: 52
        +5
        Katran
        Yes, you are right, he wrote it before captivity. It’s amazing how differently people are affected by the fact that he’s under fire ... I’m sorry for the guy, I’m afraid that it’s just not very profitable for someone to free him .... but you’re wrong about one thing - the methods of interaction of American armed forces with the population of "liberated" countries, which have not changed since the beginning of the 20th century, not one iota, are fundamentally different from our behavior. And no matter what we think and say, it is probably more important what we do. Or do you disagree? And honest people, indeed, are everywhere.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 20: 10
        +1
        YES NORMAL ABOUT US LIKELY FOR MUCH NOT EVERYTHING MORE THAN EVERYTHING ON THE BABLE MOVED THE TOP OF THEY IS NOT SUITABLE AND OUR RULERS NEED TO START AGAIN REMAIN A RELATED AREA AND ALREADY ALREADY DO NOT THINK BUT KARA WILL
    8. Narkom
      Narkom 8 June 2012 18: 38
      +2
      he wrote, not long before he was captured, if you believe of course.
      1. Pula
        Pula 9 June 2012 08: 19
        0
        ... or ran over?
    9. selbrat
      selbrat 8 June 2012 18: 47
      0
      It also says, he wrote "shortly before being taken prisoner." And not in captivity.
    10. dengy12
      dengy12 8 June 2012 19: 18
      +4
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      What are they right when they get captured. Clearly to their advantage

      sorry, but the article said that the letter was sent before Bergdal was captured
    11. Lapaev mihail
      Lapaev mihail 8 June 2012 23: 04
      +1
      In my opinion, he wrote this before being captured, but people everywhere are normal and not very, it generally surprises me when they equal their citizenship, am I wrong ???
      1. smile
        smile 8 June 2012 23: 30
        +2
        Lapaev mihail
        You are right, but only partially. The system of values, worldview introduced into children's heads by society and the state sometimes differs simply dramatically. Although, in the nineties, we certainly have. there was a certain reorientation for the worse. but to us, perhaps, it is still far away. So that. Unfortunately, citizenship matters.
        As an example, during the suppression of the boxer uprising, the Russo-Japanese war, American and British military advisers noted, on the one hand, the absolute honesty, disinterestedness, and cleanliness of Japanese soldiers in relations with each other and simply monstrous. on the verge of manic. cruelty towards the peaceful Chinese and Korean people, amazing. the scrupulous system of robbery of civilians. including Russian - in Port Arthur and Sakhalin .. According to the general opinion of European officers - there are no such soldiers in Europe!
        Well this does not depend on citizenship. This is an upbringing system, a mentality. So, "civic identity" is important and very important.
    12. saruman
      saruman 9 June 2012 14: 48
      0
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      What are they right when they get captured. Clearly to their advantage


      Read carefully, letters are written before captivity. Bowie Bergdahl is a normal honest soldier who understands that he has fallen into an unjust war.
    13. 50508.8
      50508.8 10 June 2012 03: 00
      0
      Mostly written before captivity.
    14. Nick
      Nick 10 June 2012 23: 26
      0
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      What are they right when they get captured. Clearly to their advantage

      Read carefully, he did not send this letter long before the capture. Among Americans, there are decent people, as well as among Russians.
  2. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 8 June 2012 16: 46
    +8
    I always knew that there are honest people even in the American army. Conscience, if there is one, does not get along with lies and deceit. A sad fate awaits a country along the path of lies, propagandizing lies and punishing the rejection of lies!
    1. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 8 June 2012 17: 02
      +6
      Only for some reason, the American must be captured so that his conscience would be unsubscribed.
    2. Katran
      Katran 8 June 2012 17: 35
      +4
      One of the first American presidents (in my opinion, Lincoln) said something like this: You can deceive a small group of people for a long time, or a large group for a short time, but it’s impossible to deceive the whole people all the time. These are the mighty minds of men who were the first presidents of the United States;
      1. 755962
        755962 9 June 2012 00: 43
        0
        The ass was pressed. "If you want to live, you will not be so upset."
        1. Pula
          Pula 9 June 2012 08: 20
          0
          Absolutely American ... Ovation to you !!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. Crumbumbes
    Crumbumbes 8 June 2012 16: 47
    +9
    the vast majority of them are conceited bags of crap
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 June 2012 16: 54
      +8
      Quote: Krumbumbes
      the vast majority of them are conceited bags of crap


      More and more details of the life of the American supervisors of the Abu Ghraib prison are becoming known. In addition to satisfying their sadistic inclinations, the soldiers were also given sexual pleasures within the walls of the prison. On Wednesday, American senators were shown a porn film featuring the main defendants in the case of the atrocities in Abu Ghraib, as well as some prisoners.

      The main character of the porn film is the girl soldier Lindy England, who has already become a symbol of the cruelty of the American military. In the film shown to the Senators, England has sex with her colleagues in front of the camera. With each in turn, and then - with several soldiers at the same time. Military investigators claim that the overseers forced the Iraqi prisoners to watch the spectacle, writes the British newspaper The Sun. Private Lindy England, 21, has also posed for pornographic shots at Abu Ghraib.

      Observers note that the new films and photographs completely discredit England's claims that the command forced her to torture prisoners. “On tape, she has sex with everyone,” an American lawmaker said indignantly. “Everyone is naked there all the time,” added another senator.

      Congressmen were simply shocked by the decay of their own soldiers in Iraq.
    2. Odessa
      Odessa 8 June 2012 17: 01
      +7
      Vanity has not brought anyone to good. Here is another instructive story about the vain degenerate wassat
      An entertaining incident occurred with one of the 17-year-old American airsoft players. The guy was engaged in the reconstruction of NAVY SEALs. Terrorists from the Yemeni branch of al-Qaeda found his pictures on Facebook, thought he was a real cat and kidnapped the boy. They held him hostage for 3 months, filmed propaganda videos about how "They captured one of the worst enemies of Allah who killed Bin Laden!" At the same time, not forgetting to "prick" him for secret data. The boy naturally priaherel from such attention and nothing but "I want to see my mother !!!" did not say what caused laughter, delight and anger among the terrorists.
      As a result, an operation was carried out to rescue the boy from al-Qaeda captivity. Moreover, it has been carried out by real SEALs. During the operation, the boy was not injured (except that he crap in the end), 3 terrorists guarding the boy were sent to Allah.
      "Those keyboard commandos with shit for brains really think it's really cool and fucking masculine to mow under the special forces," said SEALs fighter John. "They seem to be unable to descend from heaven to earth and grasp its ## reality - that terrorists are actively looking for ways to cover us all."
      1. NKVD
        NKVD 8 June 2012 18: 06
        +3
        Until now, I still can’t really figure out who I hate more amers or Islamists and it seems that the first is much more
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 20: 40
          0
          they give rise to Unih under the contract, some stupid people go to serve interestingly, and as normal guys as the contract, or also through one
          1. pernaty
            pernaty 9 June 2012 10: 29
            +1
            I do not consider myself a freak. Patriots have not yet been transferred to Russia.
            1. Prorox
              Prorox 9 June 2012 12: 44
              +2
              Then change the bird in the picture.
        2. Svyatoslav
          Svyatoslav 9 June 2012 01: 37
          0
          There are no bad nations or religions, there are bad people.
        3. Pula
          Pula 9 June 2012 08: 23
          0
          Dushman dushmani ... Odnodermovo ....
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 20: 15
      +1
      +++++++++++ 1000000000000
    4. pernaty
      pernaty 9 June 2012 10: 26
      0
      A good place of service for pederasts and similar perverts.
  4. Alexei
    Alexei 8 June 2012 16: 49
    +13
    Children are crushed by armored personnel carriers and laugh ... Maybe this is American valor.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 June 2012 16: 52
      +19
      Quote: Alexej
      . Maybe this is American valor.


      In 1989, Canadian writer James Buck published Other Losses. Based on documents from the Second World War, he claims that the Allies deliberately killed a million German prisoners, keeping crowds of people in the open, in bestial conditions. At the end of the war, on April 26, 1945, US Army Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower approved the creation of a new class of prisoners - Disarmed Enemy Forces, "disarmed enemy forces": this class did not fall under the Geneva Convention and should not be supplied with food. The book contains a report of the Red Cross of the Federal Republic of Germany from 1950 - 1,5 million soldiers who ended up in the camps of Britain, the USA and the USSR after the surrender of Germany, are listed as "missing." They disappeared without a trace, as if they were in a "dead zone". US historians accused Buck of falsification, but they could not provide documentary refutation of his words. It turns out that every single questionnaire with the names of captured Germans was thoroughly destroyed by the US military archive back in October 1945. It is very interesting - why?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 8 June 2012 17: 11
        +4
        Vadim hello. You're right, I read.
        1. Cadet787
          Cadet787 8 June 2012 20: 19
          0
          It’s not in vain that there is no prophet in his Fatherland, and so do pend-owls.
    2. teplal
      teplal 8 June 2012 18: 33
      +1
      This is an Afghan poppy .. Amer’s valor is superior, with equal or God forbid, stronger, somewhere valor goes ... The sergeant gave his example in the war ...
  5. Tersky
    Tersky 8 June 2012 16: 54
    +6
    I guess they stepped on the eggs with a boot, since I began to lament so. Let go, the opposite will sing. Let him prepare for circumcision, he will wear tea for the Taliban, and in the states 100% kitsch is waiting.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 June 2012 17: 25
      +4
      Victor, it seems he wrote a letter before he was captured. So the article says. Maybe it really reached the guy.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 8 June 2012 18: 56
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , yes, like he wrote a letter before he was captured

        Sasha, whenever he writes it before or after, the result is here. When did he sign the contract, where was he going? Yes, and the option is not ruled out that they were screwed up once they began to roll such malyava, and then completely "accidentally" was captured by the Taliban.
  6. Che
    Che 8 June 2012 16: 55
    +6
    The fact that amers do lawlessness and violence around the world is known to all. How they begin to sing when they are captured. Well, they deserve the highest measure - these villains. fellow
  7. Centaurus
    Centaurus 8 June 2012 17: 05
    +4
    Well, at least it is gratifying to know that the US Army is not a complete army of moral freaks, sadists and drug addicts.
    However, if the White House and the Pentagon do not change the situation in their army, then their army will last no more than 10-15 years until it decomposes further ...
    No, I certainly like both Warner Bros. and Walt Disney, but alas, it's hard for me not to gloat fellow
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 20: 52
      +3
      warner brosers and walt disney of such and they all bring up supermen well done against the sheep and against the well done the sheep himself
    2. Prorox
      Prorox 9 June 2012 12: 52
      0
      Quote: Centaur
      Well, at least it is gratifying to know that the US Army is not a complete army of moral freaks, sadists and drug addicts.


      Maybe this case is just an exception confirming the rule, and the bustle of the Pentagon collecting signatures about not disclosing this confirmation.
  8. Nechai
    Nechai 8 June 2012 17: 12
    +4
    Centuries pass, the Yankees do not change. The generated behavioral genotype, however. It is absorbed with milk, not of the mother, but of synthesized milk mixtures. In confirmation of the recent material on the forum (for those who succeeded)
    American atrocities in Russia: "... could not sleep without killing someone" Mikhail Polyakov 02.06.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
    http://topwar.ru/14988-zverstva-amerikancev-v-rossii-ne-mogli-usnut-ne-ubiv-kogo
    -nibud.html
  9. Alef
    Alef 8 June 2012 17: 14
    +5
    Yes, the Americans are crying too)) Better they never come with weapons to our land, otherwise they will have physical injuries besides moral injuries.
    1. Dmitry.V
      Dmitry.V 8 June 2012 18: 22
      +12
      Moral already
  10. танк
    танк 8 June 2012 17: 18
    +2
    "The American army is humiliated for your honesty ... but if you are a vain bag of shit, you are allowed to do whatever you want, and they will also give you a high rank ...


    I always suspected it
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 20: 58
      +1
      I could have known my compatriots before without getting into g +++ about
  11. Manager
    Manager 8 June 2012 17: 18
    +3
    The Amers did not have a very worthy adversary. God forbid, of course, but if they go to us with a war (not nuclear), we will destroy these weaklings of perverts physically and morally!
    1. volodj
      volodj 9 June 2012 02: 04
      +1
      Do not give me a gop .....
  12. vorobey
    vorobey 8 June 2012 17: 23
    +17
    At one time, we did everything so that the locals trusted us and fed them and shared medicines, we also had to pour out the solariums. The children on our block were at home. So the paradox, the neighbors were fucking and even the sniper left us. The boys from neighboring blocks then ran to sleep with us.
    And there was still a moment when two columns were approaching from two directions, one with militants and in the other villagers. We bristled with trunks, the tank was sent out directly. But in order to avoid slaughter, we would hook everyone and go with a friend to meet the columns, he to one I to another without weapons. Pissed, but went. And everything was quietly peaceful without a single shot.

    You must be able to be a soldier.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 June 2012 17: 34
      +7
      And you need to remain a person, always! Sasha, plus you.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 8 June 2012 18: 03
        +16
        "Cathedral Code" of Moscow Russia (1649): "Spare the enemy who asks for mercy; do not kill the unarmed; do not fight with women; do not touch the youngsters. With the prisoners to act humanely, to be ashamed of barbarism. No less weapons to defeat the enemy with humanitarianism. the power of the enemy to crush, but not to defeat the unarmed. "
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 8 June 2012 19: 00
          +7
          Quote: vorobey
          "Cathedral Code of "Moscow Russia" (1649):

          Sasha + !!! Propagate and distribute to all the armies of the world!
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 8 June 2012 19: 03
            +8
            Victor, they will start screaming again about Surkov’s propaganda or about the fact that this is the first chapter of the military charter of the US Army

            By the way, look for an interesting document in nete. It is mainly found in Old Slavic. My wife was translating.
            1. Katran
              Katran 8 June 2012 19: 20
              +4
              Briefly, clearly and clearly, and not a rotten ideology
        2. Armata
          Armata 8 June 2012 19: 41
          +4
          Sanya, I knew that you were a man. But now there is boundless respect.
          Quote: vorobey
          But in order to avoid slaughter, we would hook everyone and go with a friend to meet the columns, he to one I to another without weapons. Pissed, but went. And everything was quietly peaceful without firing a shot.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 8 June 2012 19: 48
            +6
            Eugene do you know how your legs were shaking? Then he poured half a liter into himself and remained sober.
            1. Armata
              Armata 8 June 2012 19: 53
              +2
              Sanya shook at all legs. When 1 times I got into the 8 ballroom and was sent across the upper deck for repairs, I barely put it on my pants. Fear is normal, but only a brave person can overcome it.
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 21: 04
          +1
          how wise are our ancestors in our charter it is necessary to enter
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 9 June 2012 05: 54
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            in our charter it is necessary to enter


            EVERYONE !!!
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 8 June 2012 21: 02
      +1
      +++++++++++ 1000000000000
    3. Vanek
      Vanek 9 June 2012 05: 52
      +1
      Quote: vorobey
      Pissed, but went.


      I will not even put anything, nor "+" nor "-"

      .
      Quote: Steam Train
      But now there is boundless respect.


      I join Evgeny.
  13. Celmz
    Celmz 8 June 2012 17: 24
    +2
    Perhaps he was not captured and ran ...
  14. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 8 June 2012 17: 28
    +2
    you’ll write and do something under the barrel


    If we are encouraged to be honest men, it’s not by the desire for valor, but this or that benefit and gain, that’s cunning, and not honest.

    Mark Tullius Cicero
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 June 2012 17: 33
      +6
      Letters were written shortly before the capture.
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 8 June 2012 18: 48
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        Letters were written shortly before the capture.


        recourse ok I blasphemed but

        If we are encouraged to be honest men, it’s not by the desire for valor, but this or that benefit and gain, that’s cunning, and not honest.

        Mark Tullius Cicero
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 8 June 2012 18: 53
          +3
          Do not worry, it happens.
  15. Ataturk
    Ataturk 8 June 2012 17: 28
    +5
    Their propaganda is at a high level, they will say to a poor American, bearded uncles tortured and forced to say this.
    It is unlikely that a stupid American would ever think of such a thing. Unless of course he is not an emigrant from the former union)))))))))
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 8 June 2012 17: 44
      +14
      In the propaganda yes, you are right Ataturk, the USA succeeded like no other.
  16. A_pa_Beer
    A_pa_Beer 8 June 2012 17: 35
    +6
    So, in a letter dated June 27, 2009, sent shortly before the young man was captured
    For the gifted! BEFORE THE CAPTURE!
  17. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 8 June 2012 17: 35
    +3
    Yes, it means all the same, not all amers livestock.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 June 2012 17: 44
      +6
      Alexey, For fun, peck on Henry. And you will understand what is the difference between us. In the American, just as in Russian, the spiritual fights with the material. Only here one wins. and they have something else.
      1. bachast
        bachast 8 June 2012 18: 35
        +1
        Today on TV I caught a glimpse of (opinion) a comparison of an American and our man. If today we ask, for example, an American: "What is most important to you", almost all answer - "Health"
        On the same question Russians on the street answer - "Work, housing and communal services, football championship" and very few say that the main wealth is health.
        This is not statistics, this is a human comment
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 8 June 2012 19: 33
          +1
          Just unlike amers, we do not cling to life like them.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 8 June 2012 21: 02
            +3
            Well, it’s not in vain that in most films they’ll shout how to cry, Take your ass away!
          2. bachast
            bachast 9 June 2012 06: 40
            +1
            This is not just disaster. Demography, drunkenness, drug addiction, smoking, what percentage in Russia? And the physical condition of youth? And doesn’t it seem to you that it’s time for us to cling to it?
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 9 June 2012 21: 45
              0
              All that you have enumerated a long time ago, your old data has declined.
        2. Armata
          Armata 8 June 2012 19: 46
          +1
          Quote: bachast

          Today on TV I caught a glimpse of (opinion) a comparison of an American and our man. If today we ask, for example, an American: "What is most important to you", almost all answer - "Health"
          On the same question Russians on the street answer - "Work, housing and communal services, football championship" and very few say that the main wealth is health.

          Correctly even in this case, the Yankees think about how to live longer to take care of their own (especially since it’s time for these fat burners to take care of this). And ours think about the family (housing and communal services, work), how the family will live, about the honor of Russia (football), although he does not play in the national team. You yourself probably did not expect to show the positive aspects of the Russians.
          1. bachast
            bachast 9 June 2012 06: 16
            -1
            And the average age of men in Russia is 60. You are a fool. wink
            And ours think about the family (housing and communal services, work) how the family will live
            only a fool can assume that constant stress for such reasons - "Where to get money for life" will improve health.
            And I don’t think, I’m doing it! I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I go in for sports and this is the main thing for me. wink
            1. bachast
              bachast 9 June 2012 06: 39
              0
              This is not just disaster. Demography, drunkenness, drug addiction, smoking, what percentage in Russia? And the physical condition of youth? And doesn’t it seem to you that it’s time for us to cling to it?
        3. Katran
          Katran 8 June 2012 19: 57
          +1
          Good health is the largest capital a person can have (for America, this is especially true in a country where one in three does not have health insurance without good health and cannot survive), so here we are again dealing with material values, good health has nothing to do with the development of the human personality - by pure spirituality.
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            Alexey Prikazchikov 8 June 2012 20: 54
            +1
            By the way, what is surprising in most countries of Europe (and the Russian Federation), honey services are as accessible as possible (as far as the state budget allows), but in the states they simply profit from it, formcepts there are really finished geeks who actually poison people for money.
          2. bachast
            bachast 9 June 2012 06: 46
            -1
            You even managed to set good health with a vicious shade lol
            "A healthy mind in a healthy body ...." "The body is the temple of God ..."
            And you say nothing in common?
            good health has nothing to do with the development of the human personality - in terms of pure spirituality.

            This must be written down !!!
  18. tarnishes
    tarnishes 8 June 2012 17: 49
    0
    After the unwritten, I did not advise him to return, and if he is so ashamed of his rank, then maybe he is already at one with the Taliban? =))
  19. busya
    busya 8 June 2012 18: 21
    +3
    A barrel of crap leaked.
  20. bachast
    bachast 8 June 2012 18: 23
    -2
    humiliating for honesty ... but if you are a vain bag of shit, you are allowed to do whatever you want, and in addition they will give a high rank ...

    And this is all too often in our life
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 June 2012 18: 33
      +2
      Isaac, are you complaining about life?
      1. bachast
        bachast 8 June 2012 18: 37
        -2
        I ascertain
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 8 June 2012 18: 44
          +2
          Then don't be upset. Solomon said to mine, everything will pass. it will pass.
          1. bachast
            bachast 8 June 2012 18: 48
            -2
            Stupidity is not treated and does not go away with age
            1. Armata
              Armata 8 June 2012 19: 49
              +1
              This is about you bachast. I'm sorry that you didn’t deserve respectful treatment.
  21. Eraser
    Eraser 8 June 2012 18: 39
    -7
    The main thing is that Soviet soldiers destroyed the Afghans with a sense of international duty, for some reason their conscience woke up only in captivity, it woke up so that even Islam was accepted, GLORY TO THE CPSU!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 June 2012 18: 42
      +4
      I already wrote off the eraser to one. answer the question please, but were there Ukrainians among the Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan?

      And again I repeat. Stupidity is not treated and does not go away with age.
      As O. Bender said, read the signs.

      LETTERS WRITTEN BEFORE PAPER,
      1. Eraser
        Eraser 8 June 2012 19: 08
        -16
        THAT I CAN READ. Do you think none of the soldiers (Ukrainians, Russians, what difference) thought like this American guy about what they do in Afghanistan? They at least have an excuse. And what did ours do there ??? children, women and men?
        1. Armata
          Armata 8 June 2012 19: 49
          +5
          Eraser, but they didn’t teach you to write.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 8 June 2012 21: 48
          +6
          Quote: Eraser
          .And what did ours do there ???
          Even before the introduction of Soviet troops into Afghanistan, the USSR invested 10 BILLION evergreens in the economy of this country (in those prices!). And yet, our soldiers did not fight there with civilians. I'll reveal to you a terrible secret - "Rambo" - a fiction film! Only you to anyone. .. You understand ...
          1. танк
            танк 9 June 2012 14: 32
            +2
            No matter how much he does to himself after learning from you good
        3. Vanek
          Vanek 9 June 2012 06: 04
          +3
          Quote: Eraser
          .And what did ours do there ???



          AND THESE THERE ARE CHO DO ?????????

          The goal is achieved, Bin Laden is dead. What are they doing there? Why do not go out? At the moment they are invaders !!!
        4. mitya
          mitya 9 June 2012 06: 42
          -1
          Ours were there on an urgent basis, so I did not ask their consent for this. And they go under the contract and perfectly understand what and why. FEEL THE DIFFERENCE!!!!
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 8 June 2012 21: 04
        +3
        Quote: vorobey
        But were there Ukrainians among Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan?

        Is an Afghan sala not issty?
    2. Denzel13
      Denzel13 8 June 2012 19: 08
      +5
      Eraser, but weak for you in Afghanistan, to go on a trip and ask the locals how they value Soviet and NATO soldiers?
      1. bachast
        bachast 8 June 2012 19: 12
        -9
        A poor look at the statistics of Soviet soldiers killed in Afghanistan? To understand how they evaluated?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 8 June 2012 19: 19
          +5
          Quote: Eraser
          They at least have an excuse. And what our people did there


          Well ka interesting. Eraser enlighten the old fart. What excuses do they have and what did ours do?
          1. Eraser
            Eraser 8 June 2012 20: 16
            -3
            But I don’t know what our people did there, maybe you can enlighten me. Regarding their justification, see the photo in my top post, or for example such a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d3K0QuXL24 watch from 1:05 , even for me, far from the USA, these shots make me want to wash the blood of those who conceived this, to say nothing of the Americans.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 8 June 2012 20: 23
              +4
              Well, yes, then, Afghans, or Iraqis, or Libyans, or Iranians, there are no more Syrians, a hotbed of al-Qaeda and similar creatures.

              Eraser. I wish you to live happily ever after, gain wisdom and be able to analyze what is happening.
              1. Eraser
                Eraser 8 June 2012 21: 01
                -2
                I am writing to you about a specific case, explaining to you why the USA gave the Lyuli to the Taliban, you are carrying some kind of snowstorm. No. So what did the USSR do in Afghanistan?
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 8 June 2012 21: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Eraser
                  What did the USSR do in Afghanistan?

                  He defended his interests as one of the two (at that time) superpowers. The fact is that Amin, having received money from the USSR and invested in the economy of Afghanistan, was going to go over to the Amers. Look for information on the Internet, moved his brain.
                2. A_pa_Beer
                  A_pa_Beer 9 June 2012 03: 38
                  +4
                  The Taliban eraser is a product of the CIA, they bite their elbows.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 8 June 2012 21: 06
              +3
              Quote: Eraser
              these shots cause a desire to wash the blood of those who planned it, to say nothing of the Americans.

              Your desire is right because it is the American special services and bankers that need to be washed with blood for their deeds.
        2. Denzel13
          Denzel13 8 June 2012 19: 25
          +5
          Actually, I was there, albeit not for long, and I was not weak, although from time to time I was scared, what was really there.
          1. bachast
            bachast 8 June 2012 19: 38
            -4
            Moreover, who else but you know their relationship? When even the children were ready to fight against the Shuravi ... Why look for a comparison in hatred now. How do you look at that, then go to the village and ask what they think about us?
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 8 June 2012 19: 45
              +6
              Only then-children are now comparing and shooting in others.
            2. Denzel13
              Denzel13 8 June 2012 19: 46
              +4
              This you write from ignorance. Go to the site desantura.ru there are a lot of memoirs, including people with whom I had the opportunity to serve. And about the relationship is also available. You will make many discoveries for yourself.
              PS Do you really think that while serving in intelligence I did not visit settlements?
              By the way, there’s no time machine either.
              1. bachast
                bachast 9 June 2012 04: 38
                -4
                No, well, I just know. But you are leaving the answer. Why are you telling me for intelligence? (You walked alone in the village, and the residents showed you respect?)
                What openings do you want to open my eyes to? Those that Soviet soldiers were respected but cut in the villages in the back? Those that children were taught to shoot and fight against us from childhood?
                And today it is the Americans who are strolling through the villages, sitting in cafes. It is the Americans who bomb the population of Afghanistan, and then sit in cafes and what? So who feels freer there?
                1. танк
                  танк 9 June 2012 14: 38
                  0
                  On those that Soviet soldiers were respected, but cut in the villages in the back?


                  this is haram for them
    3. Katran
      Katran 8 June 2012 19: 49
      +8
      The Soviet Union had a good reason for invading Afghanistan, there was a common border through which drugs flowed, there were even hostilities at the border, the spirits were so cut that when the border guards covered a large caravan of drugs they took the border village hostage and they demanded that they return the drug. But most importantly, Afghanistan was already the base for all kinds of radical Islamist organizations that, with the support of the very same USA, from the territory of Afghanistan conducted subversive activities in the territories of the Asian republics of the USSR, so there were more reasons to send troops than we would like. And for what the NATO soldiers are fighting for me, even the officers of the German army could not explain.
  22. elvira
    elvira 8 June 2012 18: 46
    +3
    Hmm ... It is curious that he wrote such things to parents .... what
    It seems that the American military are tired of fighting ... Today I read on the information portal "Eye of the Planet" that suicides among them have become more frequent, reaching a record 18% ... http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/121072- kolichestvo-samoubiystv-sredi-voe
    nnosluzhaschih-ssha-vozroslo-na-18-procentov.html
    1. baron.nn
      baron.nn 9 June 2012 11: 18
      +1
      Why aren’t they people? They are just the most ordinary nerves ...
  23. Vasily79
    Vasily79 8 June 2012 19: 20
    +2
    Their tactics of destruction with firepower without engaging in close combat is already rolling in the avgan. You have to methodically defend yourself with "success" and you need nerves, oh how strong, and there is always an excuse.
  24. suharev-52
    suharev-52 8 June 2012 20: 06
    +1
    I think this article is a stuffing. I justify it. Already there has been information that there is military censorship in the United States for the correspondence of military personnel. So I doubt that these letters are. If they were, then they were stuffed for some purpose. Therefore, the question arises. Which one? Waiting for options. Sincerely.
  25. Captain45
    Captain45 8 June 2012 20: 49
    +8
    Quote: Odessa
    Last week, I read in the news block how Vietnam veterans of the Vietnam War ripped off their badges.

    How about this: "" There is no freedom of speech in the USA "
    Moskovsky Komsomolets No. 25946 from 24 on May 2012

    Marine veteran asks for political asylum in Russia
    The situation is absolutely unbelievable in modern times: an American with a higher education and who has served in the army is confident that his rights are violated in his homeland, and asks our country to protect him from persecution in the United States and Europe. Realizing that the FMS would look at him with suspicion, Patrick Downey decided to first contact MK and tell him more about how he made this decision. Unable to judge the truthfulness of the facts presented by him, we only set out the story that the refugee told.
    Patrick 43 of the year, he grew up in a suburb of New York in an Irish family. His grandfather worked in federal structures, was engaged in the distribution of ammunition and other equipment left after the Second World War. My father was a military man, fought in Korea, participated in special operations in Vietnam before and during the war. As often happens in American families, the young man followed in the footsteps of his ancestors and enlisted in the United States Marine Corps.
    “The story of my family not only determined my career choice, but also helped to open my eyes to the methods by which the American government can act,” says Downey.
    However, there was no need to fight. During one of the trainings, Patrick was injured, lay down for several months in the hospital and was commissioned. In the US Army, those who are unable to continue serving due to injuries sustained during their passage are recognized as veterans.
    Downey deliberately chose the next profession as peaceful as possible. He went to the homeland of his ancestors in Ireland and there he became a teacher of English. At the very end of the 90, he came to Russia to work as a teacher under a contract. Then imbued with our country. However, in 2003, his contract ended, and he traveled around Europe for a long time, working in schools with cultural missions. And in 2008, he ended up in Georgia, where he was hired to teach the language of the children of billionaire Boris Ivanishvili.
    Among others in Tbilisi, Patrick met with an American specialist who worked as a consultant to Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili. A couple of years later, when Downey ended the contract and he again ended up in Ireland, this man came to him and called for a frank conversation.
    “Among other things, his duties included, for example, installing bugs in the offices of the political opposition,” the teacher shares. “I don’t know if he was trying to recruit me or if he just needed to talk it out.” I think he was a CIA employee. In particular, this subject told me about the interests that connect the Saakashvili regime with the Republican Party of the United States.
    According to Downey, he tried to publish this information in the American press, but was refused. Moreover, he began to receive threats from the Georgian side, to which he has documentary evidence. Downey tried to obtain political asylum in Ireland, but he was expelled from the country.
    “My goal is to make known to me facts about corruption in the USA.” But in general, I just want to live in my apartment and work quietly - I do not need trouble. Of course, I am aware that in Russia there are also many problems with freedom of speech and corruption. But after all, Russia does not try to pretend that it is the only bastion of democracy and a guideline for the rest of the world.
    Mr. Downey’s behavior is captivating by the fact that he is fully aware that his actions and ideas seem strange. Talking about his ideas, he apologizes in advance and does not insist on anything - he just says that he has evidence. Obviously, in the West he is mistaken for a madman and is not even given the right to talk about things like the “world banking cartel” and the White House’s total control over the media, but in Russia they talk about such things without fear, including through central channels. I wonder if our authorities will go towards Patrick Downey? He has already made a statement to the Federal Migration Service with a request to provide political asylum in Russia.
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 8 June 2012 20: 57
      +3
      Lived, now the Americans rush to us flow! laughing Why not migrant workers? wassat
      1. Armata
        Armata 9 June 2012 06: 52
        +2
        Yes, let them go, we are a hospitable people. Only live according to our principles, and even here the adder will be divorced.
        1. baron.nn
          baron.nn 9 June 2012 11: 16
          -1
          They won’t do it any worse ... But to teach them how to work normally would be nice !!!
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 1 July 2012 17: 20
            0
            We ourselves know how to work, only an attitude to a hard worker and a decent salary for a person and not a slave do in Russia.
  26. Captain45
    Captain45 8 June 2012 21: 23
    +2
    Yes, let the yards sweep, what a pity or what?
  27. razved
    razved 8 June 2012 22: 06
    +2
    Dmitriy69,
    Straight, not an eyebrow, but in the eye.
  28. mr.Man
    mr.Man 8 June 2012 23: 52
    +1
    A cowboy (according to our shepherd) gets into the army, and there ...
  29. Su-47
    Su-47 9 June 2012 03: 46
    +1
    It is strange that after writing this letter he was captured. Perhaps there is a connection.
    1. mitya
      mitya 9 June 2012 06: 53
      0
      But I’m wondering how this letter got to the site here? From whom?
      How? Who found out and published about it?
      That is the question. Riddle.
      1. baron.nn
        baron.nn 9 June 2012 11: 11
        0
        You do not understand ... His secret agents brought! Huh?
  30. Slavs69
    Slavs69 9 June 2012 09: 08
    0
    Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
    they are all supermen well done against the sheep and against the well done the sheep himself

    + + + + + yes good laughing
  31. baron.nn
    baron.nn 9 June 2012 11: 09
    0
    Sorry for the kid ... They are just starting to understand what kind of ass they got involved ... for everything in this world you have to pay ...
  32. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 9 June 2012 13: 48
    0
    As an option, he needs to become a Muslim, not go to the United States, renounce US citizenship, marry an Afghan woman, and engage in farming. They showed it somehow on TV of a Russian who was also captured, married an Afghan woman, has children and lives happily somewhere near Kabul yes
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 9 June 2012 21: 47
      0
      He returned to the Russian Federation in 2003; he was given an apartment.
  33. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 9 June 2012 15: 13
    0
    Finally understood. So not completely missing [hide] [/ hide] recourse
  34. cobra66
    cobra66 9 June 2012 20: 07
    0
    One repented will try to propagate against the war, but American democracy is special, some are for waging wars, others are against, but this does not prevent them from starting more and more wars
  35. Max79
    Max79 9 June 2012 23: 38
    0
    This is in any nation. And I'm sorry .... moral, and normal, sober-minded people. I don’t like Americans, but I’m ready to say thanks to these sergeants for such words ...