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It became known what speed reached the "Vanguard" during flight tests

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Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov commented on the successful tests of the Avangard hypersonic strategic missile system (GSRC). Recall that as a result of flight tests, which was monitored by the President of Russia, the combat units of the complex successfully achieved their targets in Kamchatka.


It became known what speed reached the "Vanguard" during flight tests


Yury Borisov said what speed the Avangard battle blocks had gained. According to him, this speed was about 27 sound speeds.

TASS quotes the vice premier's statement:
Recent tests have shown that he has reached speeds close to Maham's 30. Around 27 Makhov he picked up speed.


Earlier it was reported that the complex is able to reach speeds of the order of 20-25 M.

Against this background, comments in foreign media about the tests of the Avangard GSRC in Russia and statements about the soon formation of the first regiment of these complexes as part of the RF Armed Forces draw attention to themselves. In the comments, those “experts” are mocked, who quite recently stated that Russia has no hypersonic weapons no, but there are only his "animated presentations."

It is noteworthy that the very experts who talked about “Putin's animation” today, like water, have gathered in the mouth - obviously, they are looking for words to try to explain the situation, which showed their real level of “military expertise”.

Recall that hypersonic Avangard blocks have the ability to maneuver at hypersonic speeds. This makes them invulnerable to any existing missile defense system and anti-missile systems that may appear to potential opponents in the near future.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. RUS96
    RUS96 27 December 2018 15: 46
    +69
    32217,91 km / h Not hilo good
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        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 27 December 2018 15: 57
          +19
          Quote: KOCMOC
          Not speed itself is interesting, but the principles of control and guidance.

          I agree. How did you manage to establish communication through the plasma cloud? And also the used materials.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 December 2018 16: 14
            +7
            There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.
            1. sir_obs
              sir_obs 27 December 2018 16: 25
              +21
              There is no radio connection.


              Established information. Communication is provided through a tunnel in the plasma, which flows through liquid helium.
              But how it is there in detail, this is not known.
              But they have already learned to manage.
              1. Scalpel
                Scalpel 27 December 2018 17: 46
                -37
                They didn’t learn anything there.
                1. Tatar 174
                  Tatar 174 27 December 2018 20: 06
                  +6
                  Great news! Here is the canned bitter horse-radish now to those who planned to send the English ship to the Kerch Gulf or to oust Russia from the Arctic and all other enemies too! Torture to force out! Good night, Russia! drinks
                2. hrych
                  hrych 27 December 2018 22: 08
                  +7
                  Quote: Scalpel

                  They didn’t learn anything there.

                  How is it not learned? There is no plasma in space, no resistance, there are astro correction and satellite navigation. But when he enters the dense layers of the atmosphere, why the hell does he even bother with someone and astro correction in dense layers is impossible, the stars are not visible. The usual inertial circuit, only with maneuvering and that’s it.
                  1. Muxalet
                    Muxalet 27 December 2018 23: 45
                    +5
                    At a speed of 32000 in the earth's atmosphere, it is generally impossible to fly - at an altitude of 20 km and at a speed of 4000 km / h, it already warms up to 300 degrees, and at a speed of 10 maws steel melts. Everything is either very stupidly "disingenuous" or a colossal scientific breakthrough. Solids moving at a speed of 3000 or more meters per second acquire the properties of liquids, since, due to inertia, the loads in this state are stronger than the forces holding the molecules of matter together. At ultra-high hypersonic speeds, two colliding solids turn into gas.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 28 December 2018 00: 23
                      +8
                      When ours planned a lunar landing, unlike the American Stanley Kubrick, the reentry vehicle seemed to bounce off the dense layer of the atmosphere (like a frog-stone from the surface of the water), thus reducing the speed. It is possible that the Vanguard is laying down such maneuvers, there, and when it enters the dense layers of the atmosphere, overcoming the missile defense system on approach to the target, then certainly already at an admissible hypersonic speed. Because 27 Mach is already the first space velocity, then the Vanguard is no longer a suborbital, but an orbital war unit. I can fantasize that the Vanguard will jump over a dense layer, then, leaving the atmosphere at a slight angle, it will slow down to the permissible speed and begin to maneuver in the stratosphere using inertia. Another version is that after entering orbit, the Vanguard uses the engine not only for maneuvering, but also for braking, so that, like a descent vehicle - a mini-shuttle, closer to the "bast" to brake, enter the atmosphere, slow down when braking in the atmosphere, maneuver into stratosphere and explode over Washington. Their orbital Boeing X-37, I suspect the same, just ours is more advanced because it is launched not by the Booster Rocket, but by the Stiletto silo rocket. Therefore, I can still suspect the Vanguard in the fact that it may not work immediately on the target, but can fly in orbit. It can hit the target not along a ballistic trajectory, but from an unpredictable side, like that of Sarmat, etc. Therefore, the announced speed, of course, hello to Western engineers, who immediately understood everything and put it in their pants.
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 28 December 2018 03: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Another version that, having entered orbit, Vanguard uses the engine not only for maneuvering, but also for braking,

                        Engine brake? Isn't this too "great luxury" for a glider? Judge for yourself: you need fuel (working substance) for the maneuvering engines, a coolant to break through the "channel" of control, a "convincing" nuclear charge ... and what about a braking engine with fuel shove for him?
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 28 December 2018 03: 30
                        +2
                        Having reached the first space Vanguard, it is not necessary to accelerate more, you only need to reduce speed and maneuver. Because he is winged, etc., then for maneuvering in dense layers he does not need an engine. Therefore, the engine he can and really needs only for braking in order to lower it below the first space one and enter the dense layers, like a descent vehicle.
                    2. kuznec
                      kuznec 28 December 2018 07: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: Muxalet
                      Solids moving at a speed of 3000 or more meters per second acquire the properties of liquids, because due to inertia, the loads in this state are stronger than the forces that hold the molecules of the substance together

                      I wonder how then do spaceships fly, satellites, etc. Probably, cosmonauts are hard to fly with liquid.
                      And about the cooling of the skin - this is one of the main problems of hypersound. Earlier, as one of the ideas, the use of fuel on board the apparatus as a coolant circulating under the skin sounded. Although they are unlikely to be told to us, this principle was applied or another. Like whether there is a marching engine on board. In addition, it is not said in which section of the trajectory such a speed is achieved. It’s one thing if it’s max. speed in the atmospheric section, and quite another - if it is speed when in contact with the target. Maybe somewhere in between. In principle, if the speed during maneuvering in the atmosphere will be even 2 times less than voiced - this is a breakthrough, indeed.
                    3. Varaga
                      Varaga 28 December 2018 08: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Muxalet
                      At ultrahigh hypersonic speeds, two colliding solids turn into gas.

                      ... With the release of heat - an explosion.
                  2. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 28 December 2018 03: 14
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    astrocorrection in dense layers is impossible, stars are not visible.

                    Duc ... there is not only a problem of vision due to dense layers of the atmosphere ... as it was said: "a rabbit is not only 3 kg of meat, but also ...", but also with plasma ...
                3. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 28 December 2018 00: 40
                  +9
                  Quote: Scalpel
                  They didn’t learn anything there.

                  Hard, go? laughing Well, toad, it’s like that, it happens ... yes "And those who have not broken off, those still have to ... "(Egor Letov)
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 28 December 2018 00: 44
                    +8
                    Internal, unquenchable pain, because these are not cartoons wassat
                4. parkello
                  parkello 28 December 2018 10: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Scalpel
                  They didn’t learn anything there.

                  and you dill dill? like we are all here only time and compose animations? ) and then on the engine from the battlefield) wassat and on the American YouTube type spread yes? ) laughing
                5. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 29 December 2018 11: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Scalpel
                  They didn’t learn anything there.

                  Not learned but flies
              2. DMB_95
                DMB_95 27 December 2018 20: 07
                +3
                Quote: voyaka uh
                There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

                Quote: sir_obs
                There is no radio connection.


                Established information. Communication is provided through a tunnel in the plasma, which flows through liquid helium.
                But how it is there in detail, this is not known.
                But they have already learned to manage.
                Well, where could this data be, is it really all the information about the technologies used to create the "Avangard" leaked to the media ?? Of course not .
            2. KOCMOC
              KOCMOC 27 December 2018 16: 34
              +13
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

              Quote: Hypersound
              There is an inertial guidance system designed to hit stationary targets

              There is nothing new and supernatural in this for a long time.
              But the ability to control and redirect in flight, including at the lowering stage, at least partially, can give many new advantages, and this is not only in the whole anti-missile countermeasures, for example, for striking at moving sea targets, but it is quite possible to admit that Itself can serve as an element of a long-range missile defense, like the Chelomeevsky Taran.
            3. dauria
              dauria 27 December 2018 16: 35
              +23
              With correction for astronavigation.


              I don't think astronavigation is needed either. Just a fall to New York with deviations on the track according to a "chaotic" law with a detonation at an altitude of 300 m. Well, you don't need to hit the window, and a deviation of a couple of kilometers doesn't care. These are rockets for megacities, we don't need more. Will the US agree to an exchange for the joy of China?
              Our main thing is neutrality between the United States and China, not to give themselves to "allies" to neither one nor the other. While there is enough strength for this.
            4. Killemall
              Killemall 27 December 2018 16: 49
              +6
              There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

              for some reason he gave out all the secrets ... now the Americans will gash such a thingion (((
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 27 December 2018 18: 47
                +6
                Quote: KilleMall
                for some reason he gave out all the secrets ... now the Americans will gash such a thingion (((

                Well, he's an ally of the Yankees. This kid is commenting from the Promised Land
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 27 December 2018 19: 03
                0
                Quote: KilleMall
                now the Americans will cut such a thing

                Not the Americans, but the Chinese.
              3. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 27 December 2018 23: 27
                +2
                Quote: KilleMall
                There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

                for some reason he gave out all the secrets ... now the Americans will gash such a thingion (((

                Rather, the states will saw the loot.
            5. bk316
              bk316 27 December 2018 17: 37
              +7
              There is no radio connection ..

              Do you already know everything? Divine revelation? Is your name exactly Alexey?
            6. gridasov
              gridasov 27 December 2018 17: 59
              -10
              Quite right. In general, dense or highly ionized layers of the atmosphere must be considered from the perspective of why they are needed to ensure life on the planet. Then the process will be understood as a result of which such a layer exists. In general, I’m not sure that the Americans don’t have satellites in orbit already with the appropriate equipment. Therefore, it can already be launched from a stationary orbit while it will take off and fly. Although all this insanity is an instrument of fright of the masses. The cataclysms caused by the destabilization of geo-processes will cause the destruction not of the opposing opponent, but of the masses of people on all continents.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 28 December 2018 00: 42
                +4
                Quote: gridasov
                Although all this insanity is an instrument of fright of the masses.

                Voices again? wassat hi
              2. vadimtt
                vadimtt 28 December 2018 10: 11
                +3
                Do not minus Gridasov! (Freedom to Angela Davis) wassat
            7. ioan-e
              ioan-e 27 December 2018 19: 07
              +6
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

              Well, you know better from Israel!
            8. Voyager
              Voyager 27 December 2018 19: 59
              +8
              At first, they completely denied the existence of such, now only speak for radio smile Nothing, no progress, over time, Alexey and I will "reach" the connection laughing
            9. Aibolit
              Aibolit 27 December 2018 20: 17
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              With correction for astronavigation.


              The azimuthal astrocorrection system is essentially a missile azimuthal astroprecision system, which is carried out in flight at the end of the active portion of the trajectory in order to compensate for the error of the initial exposure of the gyro-stabilized platform to azimuth.
              No matter where the trajectory is measured, solving the complete navigation problem allows specify the coordinates of only the starting point.
              What is relevant for BB MBRs is not at all relevant for Avangrad

              Doesn’t it bother you?


              and the "Dagger" is also a GPZA, though the speed is lower, but the heights are also lower (the density of the medium is higher)
            10. Locksmith
              Locksmith 27 December 2018 21: 49
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

              Like Anderson? It has long been known how and where, read (those) about freon - everything will be clear further wassat .
            11. hrych
              hrych 27 December 2018 22: 12
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              With correction for astronavigation.

              Astro correction is only for the atmosphere, and stars are not visible in the atmosphere (of course, if it is not night and there are no clouds). When the Vanguard maneuvers in the atmosphere, all these maneuvers are easier to lay in the inertial guidance scheme, according to the program and there is no need to be wise.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 28 December 2018 03: 28
                +1
                Quote: hrych
                and there is no need to be wise.

                How Gridasov is lacking now! recourse crying
                1. hrych
                  hrych 28 December 2018 03: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  How Gridasov is lacking now!

                  Who is this?
          2. Hypersound
            Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 15
            +2
            Quote: vvvjak
            How did you manage to establish communication through the plasma cloud?

            There is an inertial guidance system designed to hit stationary targets
            1. Killemall
              Killemall 27 December 2018 16: 28
              +13
              and where can New York or Washington escape from us ????
              1. Hellraiser
                Hellraiser 27 December 2018 17: 32
                +8
                Yes "uncle" sits inside and drives.
                No need to strain and find out what and how. Gos. the secret is there.
                1. Hypersound
                  Hypersound 27 December 2018 18: 16
                  +1
                  You left
            2. faridg7
              faridg7 27 December 2018 16: 40
              0
              Quote: Hypersound
              There is an inertial guidance system designed to hit stationary targets

              The missile defense systems on the route that the unit must bypass are also only stationary?
              1. bk316
                bk316 27 December 2018 17: 40
                +8
                The missile defense systems on the route that the unit must bypass are also only stationary?

                And what positional areas in Romania and Poland have learned to crawl?
                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 27 December 2018 18: 58
                  0
                  The missile defense system is not only positional areas in Romania and Poland. This is also a bunch of destroyers with Aegis, and they move (well, a little bit).
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 27 December 2018 20: 33
                    +4
                    And what do you think they are moving with sufficient speed, so that it would have to be taken into account after the separation of the RGH, so that it would not be enough to enter the data 10 seconds before the start?
                    1. faridg7
                      faridg7 28 December 2018 18: 03
                      0
                      Quote: bk316
                      And what do you think they are moving with sufficient speed, so that it would have to be taken into account after the separation of the RGH, so that it would not be enough to enter the data 10 seconds before the start?

                      If that were enough, then anti-ship ballistic missiles would already be in service
                  2. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 28 December 2018 00: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: faridg7
                    and they move (well, a little bit).

                    Also 20 + M? laughing
                    1. Soho
                      Soho 29 December 2018 17: 26
                      0
                      Calculate the path that an aircraft carrier will take in the time it takes for a warhead to cover a distance of at least 1000 km at a speed of 20M. About 3km! It’s enough that even a nuclear hbc doesn’t hurt him
            3. Random
              Random 27 December 2018 18: 09
              +2
              Quote: Hypersound
              There is an inertial guidance system designed to hit stationary targets

              But don't the ANNs already require adjustment? Especially after "roundabout maneuvers" of enemy missile defense zones? request
            4. Locksmith
              Locksmith 27 December 2018 21: 52
              0
              Quote: Hypersound
              There is an inertial guidance system designed to hit stationary targets

              Another rocket does not interfere with its hypersonic speed to hit where it should be in the "just in the hole" mode, how it is guided, that's a riddle laughing
          3. Evdokim
            Evdokim 27 December 2018 16: 29
            +5
            Quote: vvvjak
            I agree.

            Looks crap one's pants. Hypersuper super bzdets came American PRO .. hi
            1. Scalpel
              Scalpel 27 December 2018 17: 48
              -5
              They will look for a way to counter it. They have a lot of time and money.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 27 December 2018 18: 52
                +12
                Quote: Scalpel
                They will look for a way to counter it. They have a lot of time and money.

                Only the mind is not enough. It is necessary to contrive that would be so mediocre to fail all their advantages after the collapse of the USSR. Attempts to endlessly pressure Russia with the aim of weakening it, for the subsequent dismemberment and use of its resources, led to the opposite effect, which called into question the status of the "hegemon" as a world decision maker. The United States has entered an era of its decline, and how long it will last depends on the goodwill of Russia and China.
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 28 December 2018 00: 46
                0
                Quote: Scalpel
                They have a lot of time and money.

                And so for more than twenty years ... laughing
          4. tol100v
            tol100v 27 December 2018 16: 33
            +7
            Quote: vvvjak
            How did you manage to establish communication through the plasma cloud? And also the used materials.

            There is a good answer to such questions: the materials are the simplest, wood, cooling from the Priora radiator, and control from private Ivanov at the direction "from the ceiling"!
          5. Random
            Random 27 December 2018 18: 02
            -1
            Quote: vvvjak
            I agree. How did you manage to establish communication through the plasma cloud? And also the used materials.

            And here's something else for me .. "surprises" recourse
            Quote - "successful tests hypersonic strategic missile system (SSRC) Avangard.
            In the photo and in the "movie" it is the start of an ancient UR-100UTTKh rocket with an UBB installed on it from the "Avangard" complex.
            For reference - the Avangard missile system (other names of the development period: RS-26, "Rubezh") - Russian strategic ground mobile missile system with an intercontinental ballistic missile.
            It is a further development of the Yars project (RS-24 Yars) with new guided warheads for breaking through the anti-missile defense. ".
            Again, Mr. Borisov wishful thinking sad
            1. Rebus
              Rebus 27 December 2018 18: 35
              +7
              In the case of the RS-26, Avangard is the name of R&D, not the name of the product. And the rocket is not just UR-100UTTH, but UR-100N UTTH, these are slightly different missiles.
              1. Random
                Random 27 December 2018 19: 46
                0
                Quote: Rebus
                "Avangard" is the name of R&D, not the name of the product

                Thank you for clarification. drinks
                But still the question remains sad these rockets are ancient as my life and soldier ... well, here's what I read - "...." The timeline for the deployment and deployment of two regiments of six launchers each is 2027. To equip these regiments, the State Arms Program includes 12 UR-100N UTTH missiles, each of which will be equipped with a gliding hypersonic warhead "- https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5731436
                And just about it's time for them ... "to rest" ...... so where is the GSRK belay The Vanguard.
                1. Lawyer
                  Lawyer 27 December 2018 20: 01
                  +3
                  They are "dry"
                  https://vz.ru/news/2018/12/27/957490.html
                  1. Random
                    Random 28 December 2018 00: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Jurist
                    https://vz.ru/news/2018/12/27/957490.html

                    I read carefully ... yes there are "dry" missiles or were there ... I can not judge, but ... do the missiles not have a guaranteed service life and storage? belay
                    Since 1980, how long has it been ...? And that's all ... "good" request
                2. Voyager
                  Voyager 27 December 2018 20: 14
                  +9
                  It's not quite like that. If I’m not mistaken, then we have several dozen Stylets, which are ancient, yes, but were stored with dignity and without fuel, which is the most important. That is, they have a state like new ones, and the service life, taking into account the latest extension methods, can reach 40 years or more. This is the first. Secondly, this rocket was not chosen by chance. If the memory does not change, it is among the most reliable according to the statistics of launches, and also has a wide spread in the possible flight range. That is, it can be used to cast Vanguard both on distant targets, other continents, for example, and on targets in eastern Europe.
                  1. Random
                    Random 28 December 2018 00: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Voyager
                    but they were stored with dignity and without fuel, which is the most important.

                    And what besides fuel tanks there are no other rubber products and high-pressure fittings on missiles? belay
                    Or did they all go from storage through the CWR, then back to conservation? And so in a "circle".? sad
              2. Gronsky
                Gronsky 27 December 2018 21: 43
                +1
                Who in the rocket theme can explain why the mortar launch of the carrier is not applied? I noticed that the marching engine begins to work already in the mine. How does this correlate with current trends in rocket science?
          6. helmi8
            helmi8 27 December 2018 19: 37
            +6
            Quote: vvvjak
            How did you manage to establish communication through the plasma cloud?

            Quote: voyaka uh
            There is no radio connection. Data (algorithms) for maneuvers laid in advance. And control the gas rudders. With correction for astronavigation.

            And for me it’s as much as it’s arranged in the tulumbas. I'm not going to make the same tinkers in the kitchen. lol The main thing is that everything works, passes tests successfully and will soon enter the troops. Now turnips are scratched, how to hide from it ... angry
          7. KirovMK2
            KirovMK2 29 December 2018 03: 31
            0
            I recently read that plasma is used as an antenna.
        2. Egorovich
          Egorovich 27 December 2018 15: 59
          +35
          A great New Year's gift for "partners" turned out to be a success !!! The whole West has a "good" mood in the New Year !!! good
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 27 December 2018 16: 13
            +22
            Quote: Egorovich
            A great New Year's gift for "partners" turned out to be a success !!!

            Yes, and to all of us hi Few believed that this could be achieved in backward Russia! And Uncle Vova, to spite the enemies, again indulges in fireworks !!!
            1. tol100v
              tol100v 27 December 2018 16: 40
              +12
              Quote: You Vlad
              And Uncle Vova, to spite the enemies, again indulges in fireworks !!!
              He does not indulge in, and has not indulged in a long time! He was weaned from this in SCHOOL! With this, he warns red-haired and naughty boys that "this can be with the exceptional and similar to them!"
            2. Hypersound
              Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 47
              +6
              Quote: You Vlad
              Few believed that this could be achieved in backward Russia!

              Here you have a gas station)
            3. Scalpel
              Scalpel 27 December 2018 17: 50
              -10
              Yes, there is nothing fundamentally new, just another modernization of YaRS.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 28 December 2018 00: 49
                +1
                Quote: Scalpel
                another modernization of YaRS.

                Just a fire ... wassat
                The big top is open at the cemetery across the river ...(C)
              2. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 29 December 2018 10: 21
                0
                Quote: Scalpel
                Yes, there is nothing fundamentally new, just another modernization of YaRS.

                Here, Hitler was also reported about the T-34 at the beginning of the war. Yes, there is nothing fundamentally new: "armor, tracks, cannon" lol
          2. Scalpel
            Scalpel 27 December 2018 17: 44
            -4
            We are preparing for the US withdrawal from the RSDM agreement.
          3. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 27 December 2018 18: 23
            +2
            Sergei Ivanov also met the President at the command post to monitor the launch of Avangard.
            "" Sergei Borisovich Ivanov - Soviet and Russian statesman, political and military leader. Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Environmental Protection, Ecology and Transport. Permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. "
            How far has ecology progressed as far as Mach 27 wink
          4. Vlad5307
            Vlad5307 27 December 2018 19: 22
            +4
            Yes, a valid firework turned out! wink
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 27 December 2018 15: 57
        -1
        Quote: Visiter

        it's not sickly
        This is not a big deal, it is slightly more than the usual speed of any satellite of the earth, or any previously created ICBMs since the P-7 era.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 27 December 2018 16: 27
          +7
          Quote: Alex_59
          A satellite of the earth, or any previously created ICBMs starting from the era of R-7.

          And what about maneuvering, this is a huge plus.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 31
            -2
            Quote: You Vlad
            And what about maneuvering, this is a huge plus.
            Due to the rejection of false goals - and this is a minus. In any case, maneuvering is possible only outside the atmosphere. In the atmosphere, the body at such speeds simply does not have time to take any action to significantly change the trajectory in those 30 seconds that it is in the atmosphere. She does not have such controls for maneuvering with such overloads.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 27 December 2018 16: 37
              +7
              Quote: Alex_59
              Due to the rejection of false goals - and this is a minus.
              Does the USA have a solid anti-ballistic missile field? It seems that the trick is that this system may approach the target bypassing the tracking system.
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 39
                -3
                Quote: You Vlad
                Does the US have a solid missile defense field?
                It has been around for a long time, both in our country and in the USA)))) This is the 70 years.
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 27 December 2018 16: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  It's been a long time

                  We were recently closed, but in the USA I did not know! But anyway, they should find it only at the approach or at the start.
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 28 December 2018 07: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    We recently closed, but in the USA I did not know!
                    We have filled up the gaps formed after the loss of radar SPRN in the Union republics. The Americans also had some kind of body movements, it seems that after the collapse of the Union, they conserved part of the radar, then they entered it back. Plus they have a satellite constellation, and we have. They really have more satellites.
              2. bk316
                bk316 27 December 2018 17: 48
                +3
                Does the US have a solid missile defense field?

                The point is not in the radio field, the fact is that they have trans-atmospheric KINETIC interceptors.
                i.e
                1. They capture ballistic targets by calculating a rendezvous point in advance. Otherwise, at the modern level, it will not work.
                2. They do it BEYOND the atmosphere.
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 27 December 2018 19: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: bk316
                  1. They capture ballistic targets by calculating a rendezvous point in advance. Otherwise, at the modern level, it will not work.
                  2. They do it BEYOND the atmosphere.

                  On the ballistic trajectory of the rocket, but in this case it maneuvers.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 27 December 2018 20: 32
                    +3
                    About that and the speech .... And why then false BB? Like in a joke about Jews and minuscule?
            2. sir.jonn
              sir.jonn 27 December 2018 17: 45
              +3
              Maneuvering occurs at an altitude of 40 km
            3. almazkhamidullin
              almazkhamidullin 27 December 2018 19: 39
              +2
              Alex59 as translated from Chukchen?
            4. Locksmith
              Locksmith 27 December 2018 21: 56
              +4
              Quote: Alex_59
              She does not have such controls for maneuvering with such overloads.

              Complain at the specified address, it has nothing to do with the rocket and warhead - it is guided and maneuvers, oddly enough laughing
            5. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 29 December 2018 10: 25
              0
              Quote: Alex_59
              Quote: You Vlad
              And what about maneuvering, this is a huge plus.
              In any case, maneuvering is possible only outside the atmosphere. She does not have such controls for maneuvering with such overloads.

              Are you one of the developers of this product or a designer?
    2. Russia
      Russia 27 December 2018 15: 50
      +10
      Let them now pretend to their nose their desires and our capabilities. smile
    3. Hypersound
      Hypersound 27 December 2018 15: 51
      +1
      Almost 10 km / s belay
    4. Sergey39
      Sergey39 27 December 2018 15: 54
      +3
      Any war block of any intercontinental war rocket reaches such speed from the moment they appear. 7 km / s
      1. dauria
        dauria 27 December 2018 16: 01
        +23
        Any combat unit achieves such speed.


        Previously, they did not maneuver - that is, there was a chance (albeit miserable) of interception. Now all attempts to intercept in the final section can be completely forgotten.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 06
          +7
          Quote: dauria
          Previously, they did not maneuver - that is, there was a chance (albeit miserable) of interception
          Previously, they were hiding behind the LC and in the swarm of LCs, selecting a real warhead was problematic. As soon as the real warhead begins to maneuver, it unmasks itself in the swarm of the LC so that it moves with an acceleration other than g. Therefore, acquiring maneuverability, we lose the ability to mask warheads for false purposes. Physics, damn it ...
          1. vvvjak
            vvvjak 27 December 2018 16: 18
            +11
            Quote: Alex_59
            Therefore, by gaining maneuverability we lose the ability to mask warheads for false purposes

            So why camouflage itself in the LC, if the missile defense system cannot in any way calculate the lead point and hit the Vanguard.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 22
              -2
              Quote: vvvjak
              So why camouflage itself in the LC, if the missile defense system cannot in any way calculate the lead point and hit the Vanguard.
              Difficult question. There is a version that this is a replacement of panties for a watch. MIRVs were impossible to calculate in a flock of LCOs before, especially when "quasi-heavy" LZs appeared that were capable of simulating the ballistic fall of a real warhead in the upper atmosphere. Now the refusal of the LC, but essentially the same result - it is extremely difficult to shoot down the maneuvering unit behind the atmosphere. In the layers of the atmosphere at altitudes from 30 to 50 km, there is also nothing to shoot down, because a controlled flight of an interceptor in this strip is almost impossible. And below 30 km, as it got lost before, it is getting lost now.
              1. 1810BM86
                1810BM86 27 December 2018 17: 44
                +3
                Quote: Alex_59
                MIRV and earlier in a flock of LCOs was impossible to calculate, especially when "quasi-heavy" LZs appeared capable of simulating the ballistic fall of a real warhead in the upper atmosphere

                Here I am not sure that it is impossible to determine the parameters of such goals with modern or promising radars. So we decided to follow the path, you see, you see, but you won’t get there.
              2. vvvjak
                vvvjak 27 December 2018 18: 04
                +4
                Quote: Alex_59
                Quote: vvvjak
                So why camouflage itself in the LC, if the missile defense system cannot in any way calculate the lead point and hit the Vanguard.
                Difficult question. There is a version that this is a replacement of panties for a watch. MIRVs were impossible to calculate in a flock of LCOs before, especially when "quasi-heavy" LZs appeared that were capable of simulating the ballistic fall of a real warhead in the upper atmosphere. Now the refusal of the LC, but essentially the same result - it is extremely difficult to shoot down the maneuvering unit behind the atmosphere. In the layers of the atmosphere at altitudes from 30 to 50 km, there is also nothing to shoot down, because a controlled flight of an interceptor in this strip is almost impossible. And below 30 km, as it got lost before, it is getting lost now.

                Well, you have very old data. China in 2007 shot down a satellite at an altitude of 850 km, the United States in 2008 - 250 km (by "Standard" from a destroyer), Russia - 100 km (tests of "Nudol") 2017. A Satan-class missile fires about 20 false targets with each (I could be wrong) and an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer can carry (theoretically) 90 Standards. In total, one destroyer can "slap" 5 GMBMs together with false warheads, the main thing is to calculate the trajectory of the fall. But "Vanguard" nothing and nothing.
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 27 December 2018 19: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: vvvjak
                  A Satan-class missile fires about 20 decoys
                  If inflatable, then it seems more.
                  Quote: vvvjak
                  In total, one destroyer can "slap" 5 GMBMs together with false warheads, the main thing is to calculate the trajectory of the fall.

                  The basis of the American continental missile defense system is not built on Berks, but on stationary ground-based missile defense systems. Intercepting ICBMs by Berks is not a rewarding business, first of all, because these same Berks must be placed in advance directly under the trajectories of the MIRV fall. Basically, these trajectories from the Russian Federation run over Greenland and Canada. Roughly speaking, in order to guarantee the interception of the Russian MIRVs on the descending one, it is necessary to put Burkee at Detroit, Toronto or Ottawa, which is very problematic. And they must be kept there constantly in the conditions of a threatened period, otherwise at the time of the attack, within 30 minutes of flight time, no Burks will have time to reach positions.
                  Quote: vvvjak
                  But "Vanguard" nothing and nothing.
                  As an engineer, I would be more cautious. It is extremely difficult to intercept the "Vanguard" so far. Something like this.
                  1. vvvjak
                    vvvjak 27 December 2018 21: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    The basis of the American continental missile defense system is not built on "Berks", but on stationary ground-based missile defense systems

                    Well, here you have made a reservation to the point "continental". Only the continent is Eurasia or America. "Berks" (they think so, or thought so) is not a continental missile defense, but elements that are as close as possible to the launch of ICBM missiles. And ideally, the destruction of ICBMs at the start (before the separation of the GBCH). Moreover, you don't have to pay so much money for destroyers (unlike land bases in Europe). And if the Aegis missile defense system with "Standards" is in Ukraine, then it's a "song" in general, you can stack the RF ICBMs right at the launch silo.
                    1. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 28 December 2018 07: 02
                      0
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      "Berks" (they think so, or thought so) is not a continental missile defense, but elements that are as close as possible to the launch of ICBM missiles.

                      Yes, but no warring warhead can help here if the missile crashes at launch. And among other things, there are also some problems. For example, to shoot down an ICBM launch from near Ivanovo, you can still be, say, in the Baltic. But here you have to shoot at the ICBMs starting from Orenburg or Kirov when you park in Severodvinsk - it is unlikely that we will allow Americans to stand freely in the White or Barents Sea. )))
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      And if the Aegis missile defense system with "Standards" is in Ukraine, then it's a "song" in general, you can stack the RF ICBMs right next to the launch silo.
                      In this case, ours are afraid not of "Standards", but of the fact that the United States, having created missile defense positions in Eastern Europe, will sooner or later instead of "Standards" supply there more powerful missiles capable of intercepting our ICBMs in pursuit. This is dangerous.
              3. bk316
                bk316 27 December 2018 18: 26
                -2
                RGCH and earlier in the flock of LCs it was impossible to calculate,

                Americans say they learned.
                I even read an article how, in theory, it can work.
            2. jjj
              jjj 27 December 2018 16: 24
              +4
              The only thing they can understand is that Russia destroyed them
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 December 2018 16: 24
            +2
            The "kinetic killer" false targets were taught to distinguish from the real ones. On it, such as ultrasound, and from distinguishes a light cap against it or a heavy cone. Therefore, we thought about maneuvers. But maneuvers increase the risk of missing the astro correction point above the target.
            I went too far with a maneuver and - at such a speed - flew away ... to nowhere.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 27
              +4
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The "kinetic killer" false targets were taught to distinguish from the real ones. On it, such as ultrasound, and from distinguishes a light cap against it or a heavy cone.
              In the 80s, the topic of "quasi-heavy" LCs was tested, and it seems that even they were on duty on heavy ICBMs. Their only drawback is the small number of LCs per one MIRV, as compared to inflatable ones. Perhaps this factor played a role in the transition to maneuverable warheads.
            2. bk316
              bk316 27 December 2018 18: 28
              0
              The "kinetic killer" false targets were taught to distinguish from the real ones.

              Like yes, but what kind of ultrasound in a vacuum?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 December 2018 21: 11
                +1
                Not ultrasound, of course, (blurted out, although he wrote "type"), but a spectrometer. Do false
                goals and this warhead different chem. spectra.
            3. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 29 December 2018 10: 31
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh

              I went too far with a maneuver and - at such a speed - flew away ... to nowhere.

              So and nowhere? More than one plane has not hung in the air forever.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 29 December 2018 11: 22
                +1
                "Nowhere" ... I mean - missed the target. yes
                Powerful centrifugal forces arise at high speeds
                even with small deviations from moving in a straight line (or rather,
                on ballistic "arc").
                1. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 29 December 2018 15: 30
                  -1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  "Nowhere" ... I mean - missed the target. yes
                  Powerful centrifugal forces arise at high speeds
                  even with small deviations from moving in a straight line (or rather,
                  on ballistic "arc").

                  For special ammunition 10 meters is not critical
          3. tol100v
            tol100v 27 December 2018 16: 44
            +8
            Quote: Alex_59
            Therefore, by acquiring maneuverability, we lose the ability to mask warheads for false purposes. Physics, damn it ...

            With such speed, especially at the end of the trajectory - camouflage is absolutely unnecessary! There is no such speed on otvetku!
          4. almazkhamidullin
            almazkhamidullin 27 December 2018 19: 42
            +1
            When maneuvering to mask the LC is not necessary. What do you understand there in physics?
          5. Locksmith
            Locksmith 27 December 2018 21: 58
            +1
            Quote: Alex_59
            As soon as the real warhead begins to maneuver, it unmasks itself in the swarm of the LC so that it moves with an acceleration other than g. Therefore, by acquiring maneuverability, we lose the ability to mask warheads for false purposes. Physics, damn it ...

            What is it for ?! What prevents from "landing" false targets under the desired vector?
          6. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 28 December 2018 04: 17
            0
            When entering the atmosphere, all false targets "flew off"; these were banal "inflatable". How now - I don't know ...
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 27 December 2018 18: 53
          0
          There "false targets" are used like those of the same "yars" or can you do without them with such speeds?
      2. Hypersound
        Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 18
        +6
        Quote: Sergey39
        Any war block of any intercontinental war rocket reaches such speed from the moment they appear. 7 km / s

        Not. The speed of the BB Voivode is about 7.7 km / h. Yarsov and some others - about 7. Immediately 9 km / s
    5. YOUR
      YOUR 27 December 2018 15: 56
      +3
      Ballistic missile that American Trident or Minuteman, that our Poplar, Yars ....
      have a speed of at least 24000 km / h. Those. they are in fact hypersonic.
    6. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 27 December 2018 15: 57
      +7
      Quote: RUS96

      32217,91 km / h Not hilo

      Error ... 28 800 km / h - the first space one. laughing The speed of sound at altitude is less than that of the earth.
    7. Cheslav Tsursky
      Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 15: 58
      +2
      Many of us called it cartoons. Now funny too?
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 27 December 2018 16: 02
        -6
        It’s ridiculous, because it is not indicated in which part of the trajectory this speed was developed! If in outer space, then this is one; if in air, then this is another. Although at the indicated speed in the airspace meteorites from tungsten burn out to zero, well, all of a sudden;)
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 27 December 2018 16: 09
          +21
          Shell materials are not made of tungsten. Well, like this. suddenly
          Take an interest in the theme "Burana" for example, what was made there.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 15
            +5
            Quote: Mestny
            Take an interest in the theme "Burana" for example, what was made there.

            If you zafigach "Buran" into the Earth at the speed of a meteorite, even dust will not remain from it))) And from the meteorite - a small pebble in a swamp near Chelyabinsk. ))))
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 27 December 2018 16: 20
              +2
              This is me because shells are not made of tungsten.
            2. Locksmith
              Locksmith 27 December 2018 22: 04
              +1
              Quote: Alex_59
              If you zafigach "Buran" into the Earth at the speed of a meteorite, even dust will not remain from it))) And from the meteorite - a small pebble in a swamp near Chelyabinsk. ))))

              What a strange calculation of energy you have, the meteorite "spent" about 20 megatons on the breakthrough, the storm, if it breaks through successfully, will be smaller - the speeds are very different, but the funnel from it will be no less than 10 kilotons BG laughing
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 28 December 2018 09: 39
                0
                Quote: Locksmith
                What a strange calculation of energy you have, the meteorite "spent" about 20 megatons on the breakthrough, the storm, if it breaks through successfully, will be smaller - the speeds are very different, but the funnel from it will be no less than 10 kilotons BG

                You did not understand me. )))) I just wanted to say that a meteorite spends many times more energy, tk. it enters the atmosphere at significantly higher speeds than warheads do or Buran did. Heat protection "Buran" fully ensures its landing when leaving orbit (1st cosmic speed), but will not withstand if, with the same protection, you try to save a meteorite entering the atmosphere at a speed 2-3 times higher.
          2. tol100v
            tol100v 27 December 2018 16: 53
            +3
            Quote: Mestny
            Well, like this. suddenly

            Exactly! and cooling by fan! Well, like this. suddenly and the cartoons came to life! Let the turnip scratch if it is!
          3. dgonni
            dgonni 28 December 2018 10: 53
            0
            Wonderful things are your Lord. For lovers of cartoons! We look at the plate. We multiply 10 max by 2. Well, if in the atmosphere the avant-garde still holds 20 max! And this is the speed of the same meteorite 5,9 km / s! Well, all of a sudden! And no ceramics and ceramic foam at such a speed the avant-garde will not save! For 27 mach I am simply silent because in the atmosphere it is 7,95 m / s!
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 12
          +2
          Quote: dgonni
          Although at the indicated speed in the airspace meteorites from tungsten burn out to zero, well, all of a sudden;)
          Meteorites have a speed greater than the first space. 11,5 to 72 km / s They are satellites of the sun at least, not the earth. Therefore, they burn out. RGCh ICBMs just get charred a little bit))
        3. Hypersound
          Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 20
          +7
          Well, tungsten is not a composite and ceramics, like Vanguard. In addition, the tungsten in these meteorites - the cat burst into tears, and Avan has the entire outer shell of the composite
        4. Dimonk
          Dimonk 27 December 2018 16: 33
          +2
          I agree, according to the video shown to us, there’s nothing to judge at all hi Launching a UR-100 missile and that's it. And I think this does not apply to a full-fledged hypersonic rocket. Most likely, here we went through the so-called "bast shoes" only in a reduced size, which maneuvers according to the specified parameters at the descent section and eventually reaches the set point. It's my opinion.
        5. bk316
          bk316 27 December 2018 18: 33
          +6
          meteorites from tungsten burn out to zero,

          And the descent vehicles with astronauts do not burn!
          What is it for?
          Damn, how did school education degrade ....
          By the way meteorite hi
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 28 December 2018 04: 23
            0
            Quote: bk316
            And the descent vehicles with astronauts do not burn!

            Apply a special coating that evaporates. When evaporated, i.e. when a substance passes from one state to another, heat is taken off, so that for some time the surface of the apparatus is cooled.
      2. Scalpel
        Scalpel 27 December 2018 17: 54
        -12
        Well, there were no cartoons? It was clear that the work was underway, but bluffing to the public was enough.
        1. kudma
          kudma 27 December 2018 18: 19
          +7
          Yes, die out already! Tired! Can't you say anything normal? You only carry negative crap!
    8. URAL72
      URAL72 27 December 2018 16: 00
      +7
      Yes! How many S-400 do not build, but you can’t cover all the vast. Sarmat will protect cheaper and no less efficiently.
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 22
        +2
        In addition, the S-400 is unlikely to cope with a strategic missile warhead. With a medium-range ballistic missile, it can still, but not with a strategist. But the S-500 will be able to withstand even some strategic warheads, but the first samples will appear only after a few years
    9. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 December 2018 16: 11
      +4
      Quote: RUS96

      32217,91 km / h

      What kind of kinetic energy will BB have!?
      4,3 tons of throwing weight at a speed of 8,9 km / s (even without a nuclear charge!) Will smash any "structure" for parts!
      It remains the case for small: just get there! fellow
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 23
        +4
        It’s true, the military says that it’s not necessary to equip even a warhead
    10. RL
      RL 27 December 2018 16: 54
      0
      It is very interesting to know at what height the device reached 27 Machs. This is already more than the first cosmic velocity. If the Vanguard developed such a speed in the atmosphere, then it would burn out, if in an airless space, then not the earth would not return.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 December 2018 22: 09
        +2
        [quote] if in an airless space, then the earth would not return [quote] Not quite right. it all depends on the velocity vector (direction). I would not return only if such a speed would be achieved in an ascending or horizontal section of the trajectory. On the downward pull, it will also slightly accelerate.
    11. mig29mks
      mig29mks 27 December 2018 16: 56
      +2
      Still to see the flight at such a speed !!!
    12. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 27 December 2018 18: 02
      +1
      32217,91 km / h Not hilo good
      So hard to imagine. But if you translate into meters per second: 330 m / s * 27 = 8910 m / s or 8.9 km / s
      That is quite significantly higher than the first cosmic velocity for the Earth. First space 7.91 km / s
      1. bk316
        bk316 27 December 2018 18: 52
        +1
        Where did you all study? am
        Physics is not even at the high school level.
        What is one max - is it speed of sound in the environment at the measurement site.?
        What is the speed of sound at an altitude of 50 km? As ... Where does 330 m / s come from?
        And now my favorite question.
        WHERE (in what place of the trajectory) does the Vanguard have MAXIMUM SPEED (carrier UR-100N UTTH)?
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 27 December 2018 22: 20
          +8
          Where did you all study?
          In normal school, we studied. Therefore, we know that the Mach number is SIMPLIFIED, just for such comparisons the value of 1224 km / h is taken, which is approximately 340 m / s. Voooot ... at 10 m / s described. But in the context under discussion, this is not fundamental. If you wanted to show off in-depth knowledge on this issue, then not in this topic. Here it is completely redundant.
          All these hints of yours about changing the speed of sound depending on pitch ... Well, I know about that. So what?! So even at the same height, the speed of sound also depends on temperature and, accordingly, atmospheric pressure. What did you want to prove? We are not measured by dissertations here.
        2. dgonni
          dgonni 28 December 2018 11: 19
          -1
          Plus definitely! I posted a sign for non-students at school. Maybe it’ll reach the mind :)
    13. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 27 December 2018 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: RUS96
      32217,91 km / h Not hilo

      And is it in the atmosphere? Have you learned to do the same lubrication (plasma?)?
    14. Aibolit
      Aibolit 27 December 2018 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: RUS96
      32217,91 km / h Not hilo

      20000 m 295,07 m / s -> At such an altitude, no PHYSICAL BODY CAN HAVE 27M, because the heating will be from 7000K (the temperature in the sun's corona is about 5500K), because medium density 0,089kg / m ^ 3
      50000 m 329,80 m / s -> At such an altitude no PHYSICAL BODY CAN HAVE 27M, maximum
      about 10M, heating will be about 5000 K, mk 1,027 * 10 ^ -3 kg / m ^ 3
      329,80 m / s: 27 * 329,80 = 8904,6 m / s = 8,9 km / s, greater than the first space one, any angle of the velocity vector greater than 0 to the horizon will cause the body to go into a strongly elliptical orbit, with a possible flight to the point L (if the Moon and the Earth coincide at the moment) or the transition to a geostationary orbit ... and it will not fall to the Earth.
      To defeat a ground target, you have to slow down and spend a supply of mass. What for?
      If the speed of the body is directed horizontally and at the same time is greater than the first cosmic velocity, but less than the second cosmic velocity, then the orbit is an ellipse.

      80000 m 282,54 m / s -> can, even with 1 space (7,92 km / s), tk 10-6 * 10 ^ -7 kg / m ^ 3
      above this altitude, there is no sense in "talking" about the speed of sound and the number M =, this is cretinism, there is practically no atmosphere there) and the sound is the same
      282,54 m / s: 27 * 282,54 = 7628,54 m / s = 7,62 km / s=27 432 km / h
      Is very similar
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 27 December 2018 22: 44
        +4
        The small amendment is not for argument.
        The temperature of the crown is about a million kelvin. Moreover, from the chromosphere it rises to two million at a distance of about 70 km from the visible surface of the Sun, and then begins to decrease, reaching one hundred thousand Kelvin at the Earth.
        hi
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 28 December 2018 01: 27
          +1
          Quote: sharp-lad
          The small amendment is not for argument.

          printto, +.
          You, not the Pilot Nexus.
          I forgot
          The surface of the Sun has a temperature of about 5500º. However, at a distance of about 10000 km from the surface of the Sun, there is a solar corona, which we see as a kind of halo - its temperature reaches already a million degrees.

          Data from Dr. Tahar Amari, from the CNRS Center for Theoretical Physics ...
          The photosphere is the outer radiating shell of the sun. Most of the energy in this layer flows completely from the sun. The thickness of the layer is from tens to hundreds of kilometers, and the sunspots on it are darker and cooler than the surrounding region. At the heart of large sunspots, temperatures can be 4 degrees Celsius. The total temperature of the photosphere is approximately 000 degrees Celsius.

          Quote: sharp-lad
          then it begins to decrease, reaching the Earth one hundred thousand Kelvin.

          belay belay
          doubts "gnaw" me ... if the Earth had 100K, then the Skylab would not heat up to 000-70 degrees Celsius, but 90 thousand (50) exactly
          I won’t even check
          Inverse Square Law

          This means, for example, that an object moved at a distance 2 times greater from the source receives only a quarter of the power that it received in its original position.


          about a million kelvin.

          1.1 000 000 K
          2. 149 600 000 km = 149 600 000 000 m
          3. T near the ground = 1K / sqrt (000) = 000 / 149 = 600K (the curvulator does not work for me, maybe I was wrong ...
          but
          For example, the intensity of sunlight is 9140 watts per square meter in the orbit of Mercury, but only 1370 watts in orbit of the Earth (in the same area) - a three-fold increase in distance entails a nine-fold decrease in the intensity of sunlight.

          1370W per 1 sq. Km. m it's not at all
          Quote: sharp-lad
          reaching the Earth one hundred thousand Kelvin.

          not at all 100K
          Q = Court * m * deltaT
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 28 December 2018 17: 46
            0
            For what I took, for what I sold. smile In addition to the temperature of a substance, there is its density. Well, in general ... I will not argue, after all, holidays are on the nose. smile hi
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 December 2018 23: 12
        -1
        The maximum at 27 M will be 3000 degrees at 20 kilometers. avant-garde case made of heat-resistant titanium alloy, heat-resistant ceramic coating - tile with cooling circulation system.
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 28 December 2018 02: 01
          -2
          Quote: Vadim237

          The maximum at 27 M will be 3000 degrees at 20 kilometers.

          1. Are you out of your mind? nothing hurts?
          2. Have you read the rude (and stupid) urakryaku "Nexus" (a)?
          Quote: NEXUS
          Now clever men and provocateurs will scream that they did not show the astounded target, how the Vanguard flew, and in general it’s all Putin’s fantasies and propaganda.


          / he cares one thing: how would you lick deeper and the first, most importantly the first, maybe what grand?

          3. "For example, when investigating the XB-70A aircraft in flights at altitudes more than 21000 m with a speed of M = 3 temperature of the inlet edges of the air intake and the leading edges of the wing was 580-605 K, and the rest of the cladding is 470-500 K. "

          Even banal algebra (5th grade) gives:
          27: 3 = 9
          500K (well, average) * 9 = 4500K
          WHERE YOU "GIVEN" BREEDYATIN FROM
          Quote: Vadim237

          Maximum at 27 M temperature will be 3000 degrees at 20 kilometers.


          and there’s not a linear relationship, by no means
          4.

          two solutions to this paradox
          XNUMXst victim of the exam (but I didn’t give him up)
          -you are a victim of the exam!
          -you re-read the "nexus" posts.
          so what?
          Quote: Vadim237
          Maximum at 27 M the temperature will be 3000 degrees at 20 kilometers

          Well this must be trained
          wassat
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 December 2018 02: 24
            -3
            He would have fallen off all the paint at 500 degrees and the coating material of the hypersonic block would remove heat by taking away part of the material along with the heat, and throw this table out for fools - even in the specific literature that I have on hypersound, there’s nothing .
            1. Aibolit
              Aibolit 28 December 2018 02: 31
              -3
              Quote: Vadim237
              and throw this table away for fools - even in the specific literature that I have on hypersound, there’s nothing from it.

              Well, enlighten me "fool", literature, which "is"!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 December 2018 13: 59
                -1
                "Hypersonic aerodynamics and heat and mass transfer of descent spacecraft and planetary probes", "Hypersonic aerodynamics" "Hypersonic aerodynamics of an ideal gas" "Experimental studies of bodies of revolution in hypersonic flows" "Heat-resistant materials in aircraft - rocketry", "Aerodynamics" in dense Cooling systems for advanced space and hypersonic aircraft ".
        2. Aibolit
          Aibolit 28 December 2018 02: 28
          0

          covering thermo-protective keramet - a tile with a cooling circulation system.

          what is the "coolant" in F * y?
          1. Where will you discharge the received heat?
          -heat transfer in the atmosphere at a height of 0 m-minimum! Air is the best heat insulator, after vacuum
          and at an altitude of 80m?
          2. "Vanguard" you are not the ISS, you will not throw off radiation
          at the International Space Station, the area of ​​heat sinks is already comparable to that of solar panels:

          3.

          I. Heat can be converted to work.
          II. This is completely possible with an absolute zero temperature.
          III. Absolute zero temperature is unattainable.

          Evening view of the Dukovany NPP, Czech Republic. “Smoke” from cooling towers - harmless water vapor -HEAT COLLECTION

          The capacity of the Space Shuttle cooling system is only about 15 kW of heat discharged, but the size of the radiators is already comparable to the size of a spaceship. However, with increasing cooling power, the area of ​​radiators grow much faster.


          Space shuttle thermal radiators are mounted on the inside of the doors of its cargo hatch. Therefore, in the Earth orbit of the Space Shuttle always was with the open doors of the cargo hatch, this is not only related to cargo operations, but also is the working position of the wings:

          1 + 2 + 3 = solve the problem of dumping heat at the "vanguard", since there is (in your opinion)
          Quote: Vadim237

          tile with cooling circulation system.

          approx. You have the total weight in stock
          1500kg-Hkg 9 thermal protection) - 200 kg (control and guidance) -300kg (minimum) NSC =?
          Well, the speed is almost 1 space
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 December 2018 13: 28
            -1
            Judging by the size of the device, its mass and dimensions are larger than expected, about 4000 kilograms and a length of 6 meters. And as cooling, he has rocket fuel for a mini liquid propellant rocket engine - kerosene and liquid oxygen, with an amplified engine circulation and power system, as well as the already known thermal protection based on tantalum carbide.
    15. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 December 2018 22: 47
      +5
      Quote: RUS96
      32217,91 km / h Not hilo good

      Now clever men and provocateurs will scream that they did not show the astounded target, how the Vanguard flew, and in general it’s all Putin’s fantasies and propaganda.
    16. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 28 December 2018 04: 14
      +1
      Quote: RUS96
      32217,91 km / h Not hilo

      The first cosmic speed is 7,9 km / s, and this is 28440 km / h ...
    17. Nestorych
      Nestorych 28 December 2018 11: 46
      0
      It was necessary to immediately write 50, what can be considered, all the same, they forgot the science of heat engineering.))))

      "Why only Mach 10 in the table? And if the speed is even higher? A legitimate question. Because the melting temperature of the most refractory metal - tungsten - 3420 Celsius. Well, almost the same 4 thousand Kelvin. Further the table loses its meaning - there is no such material, which will withstand the movement of the rocket in dense layers at a speed higher than Mach 10. Technically, the problem still arises - when you need to lower, say, astronauts in a capsule. The problem is not easy, but it is logical - several shells are made, they consistently burn out, and while they burn, the descent the device manages to slow down on dense layers to acceptable values ​​of speed. The subtlety is that during the descent at such speeds the device is fundamentally uncontrollable - there is no way to screw the rudders to it - they will also burn out at such speeds as hello. "
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 December 2018 14: 08
        +1
        In general, the most refractory material - at the moment "Tantalum hafnium carbide" - the melting temperature is 4215 degrees, in this table the heating temperatures are overestimated by 30 - 40%, the melting factors are heat capacity and thermal conductivity, and if there is air - the entrainment of the heated material, layer-by-layer or liquid cooling, then the material will not melt even at 8000 - 10000.
    18. iouris
      iouris 29 December 2018 14: 43
      0
      And what size should the country be for it to fall into it, and what is its warhead?
  2. Loess
    Loess 27 December 2018 15: 49
    +11
    It is noteworthy that the very experts who talked about “Putin's animation” today, like water, have gathered in the mouth - obviously, they are looking for words to try to explain the situation, which showed their real level of “military expertise”.
    Yes, here, too, a long time ago I have not heard such.
    This makes them invulnerable to any existing missile defense systems and those missile defense systems,
    This is good, but they came across these systems anywhere.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 27 December 2018 16: 11
      +19
      How so no experts? There, they’ve already figured out what to say.
      Now they have it like this:
      1. American rockets have long been flying in hypersound. This is not an achievement.
      2. The speed was achieved in a small area of ​​the trajectory. but it does not count.
      3. All lies. there is still no evidence, only video.
  3. andranick
    andranick 27 December 2018 15: 50
    +6
    27 Mach is approximately 9 km / s, more than the first space. Cool!
    1. purple
      purple 27 December 2018 15: 55
      +6
      it’s more and the second space ... you can run to the moon
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 27 December 2018 16: 06
        0
        In airless space, sound does not spread at all. And when you enter the atmosphere, the speed drops. If the speed were greater than the second cosmic one, then the block would fly away towards the moon.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 27 December 2018 16: 13
          +6
          Quote: Sergey39
          In airless space, the sound does not propagate at all.

          Sorry, but where is the sound? Speech is like comparing the speed of blocks with the speed of sound - everything ...
          Quote: Sergey39
          If the speed were greater than the second space speed, then the unit would fly away towards the moon.
          You do not want to say that on the whole trajectory the speed was 27 Mach? ..
          1. Sergey39
            Sergey39 27 December 2018 17: 41
            +2
            I wanted to say that Borisov misled you with his omissions.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 December 2018 18: 24
        +4
        it’s more and the second space ... you can run to the moon
        This is less than the second space, which for the Earth is 11.2 km / s
      3. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 27 December 2018 22: 46
        +2
        The second cosmic velocity is determined by the radius and mass of the celestial body, therefore it is different for each celestial body (for each planet) and is its characteristic. For the Earth, the second cosmic velocity is 11,2 km / s. ... For the Sun, the second cosmic velocity is 617,7 km / s.
  4. Hypersound
    Hypersound 27 December 2018 15: 50
    +7
    Yuri Borisov said what speed the combat units of the Vanguard gained. According to him, this speed was about 27 sound speeds


    Class. 30 thousand km / h!
  5. bald
    bald 27 December 2018 15: 51
    +6
    They won’t even have time to do it, not to mention it.
    1. Halado Romane
      Halado Romane 27 December 2018 16: 00
      +6
      They won’t definitely have time to repent!
    2. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 27 December 2018 16: 34
      +6
      Quote: bald
      They won’t even have time to do it, not to mention it.

      They already managed to do it yes
      1. bald
        bald 27 December 2018 17: 49
        +3
        That's right, Alexey, but that's me, with humor for the event. But seriously, from a technical point of view, these 27 swings sounded, this is the average speed, that is, in some section it was lower, in some it was higher. After all, these were tests and not in a straight line (vertically up and also down), it is also thought that the attacks of enemy air defense systems and the departure from them were tied to the tests. So 27 is far from being a chapel. An interesting comparison comes to mind - the Chelyabinsk meteorite flew at a speed of 25 km per second, and the "Vanguard" is only two times less, in comparison with the meteorite it is very fast, I mean, by the way, for the prospect of meteorite destruction. And the explosion of Chelyabinsk, there were about seven in a row, except for the first, I saw the rest, raised my head.
        1. 41 REGION
          41 REGION 27 December 2018 17: 55
          -1
          Quote: bald
          That's right Alexey, but that's me, with humor at the event

          So I, too, figuratively wink In the Kura region, the bears did not manage to do it, but they came out of hibernation recourse
          1. bald
            bald 27 December 2018 17: 57
            +1
            Likely good
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 27 December 2018 22: 59
        0
        Quote: 41 REGION
        They already managed to do it

        No, they didn’t do it, but they simply put out their ambition cheaply. Our doctrine is not mattress. But ... our Santa Claus with love from Russia to western idios ... made good New Year's gifts to ideologists .... yeah ... well, to us, all the same, ours, dear, and not some Santa Claus bestiality with deer. wink
  6. mmaxx
    mmaxx 27 December 2018 15: 54
    +11
    27 max ..... 9 km / s ... And the detonation speed of TNT is 7 km / s. The hair on my head is moving. It is even more unclear how this is induced.
    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 24
      0
      Inertial and star-corrected
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 28 December 2018 16: 33
        0
        Hm. Inertia at that speed? Inertial guidance implies correction along a path already traveled. At this speed, given the path traveled, it’s easy to fly away nowhere at all. Even taking into account the almost vertical fall of the heads.
  7. Cjiobo
    Cjiobo 27 December 2018 15: 54
    +2
    This speed is interesting throughout the flight, or in some areas
    1. U-58
      U-58 27 December 2018 16: 19
      0
      I believe that speed increased during the planning-reduction process
      1. Scalpel
        Scalpel 27 December 2018 17: 57
        +1
        On the contrary, when entering the atmosphere, the speed drops.
    2. Hypersound
      Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 25
      +2
      Well, it doesn’t fly out of the mine at a speed of 30k km / h) It is clear that such a speed is already reached at high altitude
      1. Dmitriy66
        Dmitriy66 27 December 2018 17: 37
        +1
        I wrote yesterday that I saw the launch of Advance, I didn’t catch up on the Tuareg, although I wanted it, I left faster, as the avant-garde made me standing tongue
        1. Hypersound
          Hypersound 27 December 2018 17: 57
          0
          Chipanite Tuareg and catch up)
          1. Dmitriy66
            Dmitriy66 27 December 2018 19: 36
            0
            I'll try tomorrow
    3. Alex_59
      Alex_59 27 December 2018 16: 37
      +3
      Quote: CJIOBO
      This speed is interesting throughout the flight, or in some areas
      In the transatmospheric portion of the flight, from the end of the engine to entry into the atmosphere. To understand this fact, you do not need to have access to secret documentation, this is already understandable.
    4. Shikari91
      Shikari91 27 December 2018 19: 28
      0
      Of course on the end. This speed, with current technology, is unrealistic to develop to anyone on a controlled flight site.
  8. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 27 December 2018 15: 54
    +6
    25 Mach is kakbe 333 * 25 = 8325m / s.
    Nekhilo, however.
    From Moscow to Kamchatka 7000 km.
    This distance will be covered at such a speed in approximately 14 minutes.
    1. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 27 December 2018 17: 10
      +6
      Quote: x.andvlad
      From Moscow to Kamchatka 7000 km.

      It’s somehow wrong to count from Moscow to Kamchatka recourse Better from Kamchatka to Washington yes hi
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 27 December 2018 21: 25
        +2
        Tellingly, Washington is also "aware" of this. Our distances clearly demonstrate our capabilities.
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 28 December 2018 01: 05
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      From Moscow to Kamchatka 7000 km.
      This distance will be covered at such a speed in approximately 14 minutes.

      At the current tests from the Orenburg region. to Kamchatka it took about 25 minutes. The speed is different in different areas. Entering turns, in any way "slowed down". yes
  9. Peter Tsar
    Peter Tsar 27 December 2018 15: 58
    +4
    Definitely cool good We are waiting for when it appears in the troops not in unit quantities, then it will be possible to brag.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 27 December 2018 16: 14
      +3
      And when they appear, we will wait for "many" to appear.
      The main thing is not to brag, not proud, not rejoice.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 27 December 2018 17: 00
        +4
        Quote: Mestny
        The main thing is not to brag, not proud, not rejoice.

        And keep safe from all-seeing industrial spies!
      2. Scalpel
        Scalpel 27 December 2018 18: 00
        -1
        There is no money for a lot. That's why the mobile Vanguard slowed down.
        1. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 28 December 2018 03: 09
          +1
          Nobody slowed him down, do not invent. Another thing is that in the beginning there will be a mine, as intended.
  10. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 27 December 2018 15: 58
    +4
    Great remedy for dandruff for the Yankees.
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 December 2018 16: 01
    +5
    Wonderful!!!! Almost 30 km / h, so for 000 minutes maximum will be a "guest" in the USA !!! Keep it up! And if through the North Pole, or from the Eastern part of Russia, even faster.
    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 26
      +3
      The North Pole is much faster than 20m
  12. DPN
    DPN 27 December 2018 16: 01
    -12
    They intimidated the adversary, and while he put it on us and presses us, when Abramovich and I eat from one cup, then they will do it for us, but for now we will grind our teeth with our teeth and catch noodles on our ears.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 27 December 2018 16: 19
      +13
      Well, forgive us, the poor and the poor.
      We, the savages from the gas station, also need to rejoice. We are people too.
      Or not already?
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 28 December 2018 01: 09
      +1
      Quote: DPN
      when we are going to eat Abramovich from one cup

      Ah, so here it is what’s the matter ... Indeed, sadness. laughing
      Quote: DPN
      while we grit our teeth

      But this is an alarming symptom. As a rule, it is a sign of the presence of worms. yes
  13. Evil echo
    Evil echo 27 December 2018 16: 01
    +4
    Especially touches the possibility of maneuvering at such speeds.
  14. stalki
    stalki 27 December 2018 16: 04
    +2
    This is a complete rascal for the West good
  15. K-50
    K-50 27 December 2018 16: 06
    +2
    About 27 Machs, he gained speed.

    almost the first space !! fellow
  16. You Vlad
    You Vlad 27 December 2018 16: 07
    +1

    It is noteworthy that the very experts who talked about “Putin’s animation” today have gotten water into their mouths - obviously, they are looking for words to try to explain the situation
    The circular has not yet been let down, what is not clear here? request
  17. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 27 December 2018 16: 12
    +8
    It’s time to change the doctrine from retaliation to preventive action.
  18. Evil echo
    Evil echo 27 December 2018 16: 12
    +4
    Quote: you Vlad

    It is noteworthy that the very experts who talked about “Putin’s animation” today have gotten water into their mouths - obviously, they are looking for words to try to explain the situation
    The circular has not yet been let down, what is not clear here? request

    Do not have time to update manuals, holidays.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 27 December 2018 16: 32
      0
      The higher the speed, the slower the reaction! The collapse of the brain.
  19. Kaw
    Kaw 27 December 2018 16: 12
    0
    So the hypersonic block itself was not shown. They showed only the start of the rocket, and what kind of rocket it was ...
    It is interesting how the flight of a hypersonic apparatus looks like, it probably should be enveloped in flames, like a meteorite, due to friction against the atmosphere.
    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 27 December 2018 16: 27
      0
      Firstly, secrecy, secondly, how do you show an object flying at a speed of 1km / s?)

      Quote: Kaw
      It is interesting how the flight of a hypersonic apparatus looks like, it probably should be enveloped in flames, like a meteorite, due to friction against the atmosphere.


      Exactly so - a fiery ball of fire
    2. Wolf
      Wolf 27 December 2018 16: 40
      +1
      Plasma near him, he is endowed with plasma and atmosphere, it protects his flame.
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 27 December 2018 17: 04
      0
      Quote: Kaw
      So the hypersonic block itself was not shown.

      It's almost like a hot frying pan in the face of a drunken husband who returned home very late and without a salary! Bzdyn, sparks and silence!
    4. victor50
      victor50 27 December 2018 17: 04
      0
      Quote: Kaw
      It is interesting how the flight of a hypersonic apparatus looks like, it probably should be enveloped in flames, like a meteorite, due to friction against the atmosphere.

      In principle, the achieved speed does not differ much from the speed of ICBM warheads (according to most of the data found - 6-7 km per second). As I understand it, a fundamental achievement is the ability to maneuver at such a speed. Cartoons about the fall of the warheads of conventional ICBMs can be found in many, perhaps there are documentary shots.
    5. Bi-mac
      Bi-mac 28 December 2018 04: 18
      0
      Then Ivanov said that the temperature on the surface of the block is about 2000 degrees, it flies in plasma. I think that the American satellites could perfectly capture the flight of a luminous point from point A to point B ... a kind of broken autograph of Putin for the Pentagon. Let THAT be food for sad thoughts for them. And it makes no sense for ordinary people to show a picture of a target hit, because there will be screams: "Well, what did it fall, prove that it is not a cannon shell, but" Vanguard "? And so on and so on.
      I think that our President did not bluff, proudly reporting on his outstanding achievement. Otherwise, the Americans would have easily exposed him. He would not bet his reputation if it was a dummy.
      And further. The test time is perfectly matched. There are holidays, everyone is resting. It is impossible to quickly write a counter-training manual and bring it to all Russophobic media. And this means that for several days the whole world will hear only our voice. Maybe at least something in the zombie brains will stir ...
  20. engineering
    engineering 27 December 2018 16: 15
    +2
    It is noteworthy that the very experts who talked about “Putin's animation” today, like water, have gathered in the mouth - obviously, they are looking for words to try to explain the situation, which showed their real level of “military expertise”.

    It was a New Year's greetings and a Christmas present from Santa Claus to Santa Claus.
  21. U-58
    U-58 27 December 2018 16: 18
    0
    There were a few questions.
    Was there maneuvering or flying straight?
    I admit that this time the flight was as straight as an arrow.
    Has a supersonic wave hit the ears of civilians over a vast area of ​​flight?
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 December 2018 16: 28
      +4
      There are many questions, but no one will tell us anything correctly.
    2. Dimonk
      Dimonk 27 December 2018 16: 46
      -7
      I agree, a lot of noise window dressing yes , and not any specifics.
      1. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 27 December 2018 17: 05
        -12
        Why is the president present at regular weapons tests, or does this mean edges in the presidency, edges in statehood in relation to the world, when only threats save ... The problem is in the state of the government That does not adequately fit into the world community. But it seems that no one in the world trusts or supports the plutocracy of the Russian Federation, including already its own people ... Therefore, the situation is dangerous when the top of the Russian Federation has sunk to the abyss, and no one supports them, so they can, as a curtain, and " otchuchit "with the departure to a scattering abroad on the second (or rather the main one) passports and bank zagashniki ...
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 27 December 2018 17: 12
          +6
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          so they can, at the end of the day, and "otchuchit" by leaving for a scattering abroad on the second (or rather, their main) passports and bank accounts ...

          My mile, the holidays have not yet begun, but have already eaten laughing
          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 27 December 2018 17: 16
            -4
            figure .... What a drunk man has on a tongue, then a sober man’s head - according to the folk it’s something like that ...
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 27 December 2018 20: 08
          +5
          Please tell me why do we need to "fit" into the world community. "The world community is a bunch of plutocrats cleaner than ours, headed by a godfather. Read Wolf's Fire and Fury, despite the fact that Wolf is not a Russian propagandist, but 100% of them. So they steal everything and everywhere with different skills of art and hypocrisy. As for our technological backwardness, I am sure that such a product as Avant-garde on the knee cannot be made. As for the lamentations about the elegance of foreign bidets and the rudeness of ours, this is fair. But the time will come and the native bidets will be up to par.
          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 27 December 2018 21: 53
            -2
            You did not understand the essence - the problem is not in the elegance of the manufactured bidets, the problem is in the state of both citizens and the economy of the state, as well as the place in the world community of the Russian Federation today. They feared the USSR, but respected, today the Russian Federation is neither afraid nor respected. They do not perceive our oligarchs in power as decent citizens, but only as thieves robbing their impoverished people. One can only remember the bard: “for that we make missiles and blocked the Yenisei, as well.” But then even though a bright future loomed, today is deaf darkness ...
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 28 December 2018 01: 16
      0
      Quote: U-58
      Was there maneuvering

      It was. A trajectory diagram was presented. From Orenburg to Kamchatka reached in 25 minutes.
      Quote: U-58
      I admit

      To no avail.
      Quote: U-58
      Is it "hit" on the ears of civilians

      I didn’t hit. Neither peaceful nor military. yes
  22. BAI
    BAI 27 December 2018 16: 28
    +1
    Recall that hypersonic Avangard blocks have the ability to maneuver at hypersonic speeds. This makes them invulnerable to any existing missile defense system and anti-missile systems that may appear to potential opponents in the near future.

    I do not think that potential opponents reported on their developments. Russia is not going to be the first to attack. And by the time the United States is ripe for this, it will already have a means of counteraction. "Action is equal to reaction." Nobody canceled Newton's third law. The whole question is what we will have in service by the time "H".
  23. Sars
    Sars 27 December 2018 16: 29
    -7
    There are laws of physics, according to them:
    1. Any object at the first cosmic speed safely goes into orbit.
    2. An object weighing three tons, accelerating to 10 km / s, receives such kinetic energy that when it landed, a crater would appear at the Kura training ground, whose photo (from satellites) would already be shown to us.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 27 December 2018 16: 48
      +5
      Any object at the first space speed safely goes into orbit.
      does speed not only have a module, but also a direction, and if it is directed to the ground, why should the warhead fly into orbit? no one said that this speed was achieved at the stage of acceleration
      when it landed, a crater would appear at the Kura test site
      if you have not been shown this does not mean that he is not there
    2. Sars
      Sars 27 December 2018 17: 08
      -3
      Is a glider without an engine accelerating?
      Americans will certainly show a 10 km crater.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 28 December 2018 01: 18
        +1
        Quote: SarS
        accelerates without motor?

        The fact is that in our case, the engine is just there.
    3. Kaw
      Kaw 27 December 2018 17: 20
      +4
      Then someone on the Bureya River demolished a hill. smile
    4. bk316
      bk316 27 December 2018 19: 18
      0
      the first space velocity safely goes into orbit.

      And the first space is what is it? (Hint: not how much but what ...)
  24. ivant74rus
    ivant74rus 27 December 2018 16: 33
    -11
    Our revolution is brewing here, and they continue to play their little toys, as if everything is calm
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 27 December 2018 16: 50
      +9
      well, good luck with the revolution there, but in Russia everything is calm
      1. ivant74rus
        ivant74rus 27 December 2018 22: 08
        -2
        What kind of Russia do you live in? Moscow? For a long time this splinter needs to be pulled out.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 27 December 2018 22: 11
          +1
          Well, you are definitely not in Russia.
          Ukraine, the Baltic states?
          1. ivant74rus
            ivant74rus 27 December 2018 22: 14
            -2
            I'm from Chelyabinsk
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 27 December 2018 22: 15
              +1
              yeah, from Chelyabinsk, who would doubt wink
              1. ivant74rus
                ivant74rus 27 December 2018 22: 22
                -4
                Doubt how much you want, but you won’t be full of bucks from the TV when you work at the factory and get a penny, so you don’t have to smile there for a long time
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 28 December 2018 13: 34
                  0
                  in vain you are wasting time here, work out your salary on other sites
                2. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 29 December 2018 11: 01
                  0
                  Quote: ivant74rus
                  Doubt how much you want, but you won’t be full of bucks from the TV when you work at the factory and get a penny, so you don’t have to smile there for a long time

                  Do not watch TV.
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 28 December 2018 01: 23
                0
                Quote: _Ugene_
                from Chelyabinsk, who would doubt

                Everything is simpler here, this is "a creeping troll, a hidden bot":
                I think that Grudinin will win the election and thank God Putin will leave.
                Especially does not burn, but clearly replayes.
    2. Astoria
      Astoria 27 December 2018 18: 58
      +1
      Ivant - is it supposedly the Baltic states? laughing
      1. ivant74rus
        ivant74rus 27 December 2018 22: 14
        -1
        I'm from Chelyabinsk
    3. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 29 December 2018 11: 00
      0
      Quote: ivant74rus
      Our revolution is brewing here, and they continue to play their little toys, as if everything is calm

      Dreaming about the revolution. A UPDATE, the oligarchs want to change the "signboard".
  25. av58
    av58 27 December 2018 16: 37
    +6
    Good tidings. Now, let the Americans spend money on finding solutions to counter Russian hypersonic missiles. It will be billions, if not tens and hundreds of billions. The United States is a rich country, and is able to print as many dollars as necessary, but the United States also has unlimited resources. In the 80s, the United States came close to the line beyond which the economic collapse was already visible, and only Gorbachev's betrayal extended the life of this barbaric state.
    Now we need to drag the United States into an arms race so expensive that history repeats itself, but we must not repeat the stupidity of Gorbachev's time. No compromises.
  26. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 27 December 2018 16: 44
    0
    I would like to know at what altitude this speed was achieved. In high layers, the usual ones have such speed. But when it decreases to dense layers of the atmosphere, everything just starts. And the declared speed is unlikely in the lower layers. But it was possible to increase it by a significant amount. The question is how much.
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 27 December 2018 17: 02
      0
      On an airless flight section, the whole trick of this block is that it’s specifically on this section that it will be able to maneuver and enter enemy objects from unexpected trajectories
  27. RL
    RL 27 December 2018 16: 44
    -4
    Official source for the Department of Defense. The Zvezda TV channel stated that the Avangard rocket flew at a speed of Mach 20.
    If there are engineers on the site, let them check.
    From heat engineering:


    10 Machs are 4 thousand Kelvin. The melting point of the most refractory metal - tungsten - 3420 Celsius. Further, the table loses its meaning - there is no material that can withstand the movement of a rocket in dense layers at a speed of more than 10 Machs.
    The vehicles returned from space have several layers of thermal protection, which alternately burn out during the braking of the descent vehicle. During descent at such speeds, the apparatus is fundamentally uncontrollable - there is no way to install aerodynamic rudders - they will also burn out at such speeds. The source http://militaryrussia.ru reports - product 4202 ("Vanguard") has a maximum speed of 14-15 Mach (in space, and where there is no atmosphere, there is no Mach), near the target (that is, in layers) - about 6 Mach, which is 2040 m / s or 7344 km / h
    For comparison, an APFSDS (-T) type protitank shell has an initial velocity of 1650 m / s
    1. Deck
      Deck 27 December 2018 17: 07
      +1
      Heat engineering is a corrupt girl of imperialism. Here, all sorts of different people did not believe in cartoons, but since the Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov personally told us about 27 mach! told, all all the scouts were shut up. All employees know that in wartime, the value of the sine can reach four, or even five.
    2. Kaw
      Kaw 27 December 2018 17: 24
      +1
      And the Shuttles, Buranas, etc. how did they sit down and not burn out?
      1. Dimonk
        Dimonk 27 December 2018 17: 30
        0
        That's just how they copied it, only in a reduced size. They planned at that speed with the possibility of maneuvering. That's all. hi
      2. Scalpel
        Scalpel 27 December 2018 18: 06
        0
        Smoothly damped the speed in the upper atmosphere.
      3. RL
        RL 27 December 2018 18: 57
        0
        Both Space Shuttle and Buran entered the atmosphere at speeds lower than the first space one. The process of entering the atmosphere (altitude 121 km, speed 7,6 m / s) and further flight proceeds with constant deceleration to the speed of exit from the cloud of ionized plasma, only then the aerodynamic rudders begin to act. This is at a speed of 760 m / s. (2736 km / h, a little over 2 Mach). Due to the fact that both Space Shuttle and Buran were large, the incoming air warms the bearing plane and especially the front edge of the wing (1800 degrees Celsius), but also cools the airframe structure. Then, special thermal insulation of the surfaces of the rocket plane, the price of this insulation is over the top.
        As I understand it, the Vanguard is much smaller than rocket planes, which means that the ability to cool with free air will be much less. But the accumulation of heat on the structure and inside the structure will be much greater. Well, if similar thermal insulation is at the Vanguard, then the price for a series will be very high.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2018 21: 18
      -1
      You left this plate to Sunta to those who mumbled it - since on it at Su 35th at a speed of 2500 kilometers per hour, the body will heat up to 300 degrees, the flashlight will burst from this temperature and all the paint will peel off the plane. But the real temperature is an example of a rocket plane, when moving in the atmosphere
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 December 2018 23: 02
        +3
        But the temperature of the hypersonic glider, at an altitude of 10 kilometers at a speed of 7M
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 December 2018 02: 28
          -1
          And, accordingly, heating the Buran airframe
    4. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 29 December 2018 11: 03
      0
      RL (Robert Adam) Why do you have one training manual or different accounts? Post the same table more than once from different accounts.
  28. Beaten
    Beaten 27 December 2018 17: 02
    0
    the speed was about 27 sound speeds.

    Not without reason the US began to withdraw troops from everywhere ...)) Now of course, some wise men will vulgarize everything, etc.
    Hurray, it's too early to scream, of course, but nevertheless, my soul somehow became calmer ..
    An excellent New Year's gift was presented to us by the patriots of Russia ..! soldier
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  30. Poll_0
    Poll_0 27 December 2018 17: 12
    0
    the speed is fantastic - I can’t believe it a bit, but if it’s not a fake: Then I congratulate you - handsome !!!!!
  31. rruvim
    rruvim 27 December 2018 17: 46
    -3
    And how did they measure (this speed)? And more trajectories of maneuvers? Still hang noodles on the ears ...
    https://vpk.name/news/237703_udaryi_po_bulave.html
    1. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 28 December 2018 04: 04
      0
      Hahlaughingwhen you are not able to discuss, you can just make a throw and throw the link)). And for those who, even theoretically, will not be able to compete in discussions with people from VO. Well, we see it all the time.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 29 December 2018 11: 11
      0

      Ask the USA, their AN / FPS-132 measured, they are still in shock there.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 29 December 2018 19: 10
        0
        Where is AN / FPS-132, and where was the stylet trajectory? Unless, of course, the Earth is flat.
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 29 December 2018 20: 14
          0
          Quote: rruvim
          Where is AN / FPS-132, and where was the stylet trajectory? Unless, of course, the Earth is flat.

          Air Force Base Clear. Located in Alaska. The radar is designed to detect launched ICBMs and missiles launched from submarines. Raytheon upgraded the radar to AN / FPS-132 at the end of 2017, now the radar can not only record launches, but also provide target designations. Monitors our territory to Irkutsk, further the curvature of the Earth interferes)))
          Actually at the bottom of the photo base (airfield) and the radar itself, there are coordinates, you can check.


          The earth is not flat, but has the shape of a geoid.
  32. Old26
    Old26 27 December 2018 17: 49
    +5
    Quote: _Ugene_
    does speed not only have a module, but also a direction, and if it is directed to the ground, why should the warhead fly into orbit? no one said that this speed was achieved at the stage of acceleration

    And where do you think it was reached? After the end of the operation of the engines, the "load" flies by inertia. When entering the atmosphere, the object starts to slow down.
    You write that speed has a modulus and direction. And where do you think the direction will be? if a rocket accelerates an object mounted on it? So if you abandon a regular satellite, then under the same conditions, when you reach a speed of more than 1 space - the satellite remains in orbit. And then he accelerated to a speed of 30 km / h and did not stay in orbit?
    In addition, in order to achieve the speed of at least the first UR-100N UTTX space rocket, it also has an additional acceleration stage ....
    In short, Yuri Borisov hung another batch of noodles on his ears and everyone started to discuss it enthusiastically ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 27 December 2018 19: 03
      0
      Damn, Vladimir !!! Finally, a man of understanding appeared. I already wrote that
      And where did you think it was achieved?
      my favorite question.
      So that people at least think and what they write.
      How can it be that people are proud of their Soviet education and do not understand physics in the volume of 7 classes of a secondary Soviet school?
    2. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 27 December 2018 22: 58
      +1
      1. No one said that the object does not have its own engine
      2. Acceleration at the surface and acceleration in space is very significantly different in the required power
      3. At n1, you can get out of orbit and at 70km \ s
      4. With item 1, maneuvering is possible at any stage, after the launch of the launch vehicle
      Yes, and the logic itself suggests that the super-protected warhead of the megaton class weighs about 600 kg, the question is - what do the remaining 2400 kg do there? In different sources, the weight of the Vanguard is about 3 tons, and the selection of a launch vehicle for it indicates the same ... Although something tells me that it wasn’t made for this missile, there is another bully
      Well, and general - our space program is called manned laughing , this word says that there is a pilot, in the sense of a man ... so there is a man there to change the flight path at will, well, there’s a lot more for what, for example, experiments lol But it is a little expensive and complicated, so over time we got used to the idea that all space objects in us are essentially ballistic and occasionally correctable ...
      In general, this thing is unlikely to be intercepted in the next 100 years, if only by chance laughing This is the limit for a given type of civilization (selling, well, in terms of the market)
  33. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 27 December 2018 17: 51
    +1
    In the atmospheric portion of the flight

    And who told you that she generally left the atmosphere? (I haven’t read about it anywhere yet)
    1. bk316
      bk316 27 December 2018 19: 06
      0
      And who told you that she generally left the atmosphere?

      And what a "stiletto" can fly for 10000 km in dense layers?
  34. kakvastam
    kakvastam 27 December 2018 17: 52
    -2
    Regardless of the degree of certainty of any statements, the time until a significant number of new products are put on duty is large enough, and it is not a fact that the enemy is going to provide it to us.
    And we are talking not only about possible military aggression, but also about undermining from the inside.
  35. Fedor1
    Fedor1 27 December 2018 18: 50
    +1
    Now the most important thing is not to cheapen the secrets, as in the past
  36. ilik54
    ilik54 27 December 2018 19: 10
    0
    This is not cartoons for you!
  37. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 27 December 2018 19: 13
    0
    Quote: Volodin
    Volodin (Alexey) Today, 16:13 New

    +5
    Quote: Sergey39
    In airless space, the sound does not propagate at all.

    Sorry, but where is the sound? Speech is like comparing the speed of blocks with the speed of sound - everything ...

    The speed of sound, the magnitude is not constant, depends on the pitch. The higher, the smaller, and from some height is absent altogether.
  38. Old26
    Old26 27 December 2018 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: Random
    For reference - the Avangard missile system (other names of the development period: RS-26, "Rubezh") - Russian strategic ground mobile missile system with an intercontinental ballistic missile.
    It is a further development of the Yars project (RS-24 Yars) with new guided warheads for breaking through the anti-missile defense. ".
    Again, Mr. Borisov wishful thinking sad

    With this name in general, a complete gag. In the period before the start of work on the RS-26, work was carried out on the "Frontier" theme. Then work began on this rocket directly. At one time, Serdyukov reported to the Supreme Commander that the Avangard rocket was being tested with us. Then the Avangard-R index began to flash on the Internet. Then the completion of work on the Rubezh ICBM was announced. That is, here the devil will break his leg with these names. Now another product is "emerging" - the "Vanguard" combat equipment.
    Is Avangard a further development of the Yars complex? Hardly. The rocket is smaller in length and weight. It was almost certainly created using Yars' developments. By the way, from the mouth of General Yesin sounded another designation of this complex - "Yars-M", although "Yars-M" is positioned as a mine version of the usual "Yars". So HZ is how and what is correct

    Quote: kakvastam
    Regardless of the degree of certainty of any statements, the time until a significant number of new products are put on duty is large enough, and it is not a fact that the enemy is going to provide it to us.
    And we are talking not only about possible military aggression, but also about undermining from the inside.

    Well, regarding the 15A71 (15Y71) missile, the numbers were announced. 2 regiments will be deployed as part of 13 missile divisions.
    The number of "Sarmats" also cannot be too large. Hardly more than the number of "Voevod" that were a couple of years ago. And then this figure was announced as 46. And not all of them will carry the "Vanguards". Considering that 7 regiments will have to be re-equipped with the start of rearmament in 2021, then, taking into account the entire range of issues that will have to be addressed, I think these 7 regiments will appear somewhere by 2027-2030. And 15A71 with Avangard is planned to be deployed in the amount of 2027 pieces by 12 .... So God forbid that by the beginning of the 2030s we would have at least 3 dozen carriers with Avangard
  39. UMA-UMA
    UMA-UMA 27 December 2018 19: 21
    -4
    Fine. We will now express our concern with the Vanguard rockets. It is sad when the king plays war games.
    1. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 29 December 2018 11: 17
      +1
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      Fine. We will now express our concern with the Vanguard rockets. It is sad when the king plays war games.

      Yes, you would be king of EBN ...
      You would have fun.
      1. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 29 December 2018 16: 40
        0
        No, thanks. And today is also not necessary. Joseph, come back!
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 29 December 2018 16: 44
          0
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          No, thanks. And today is also not necessary. Joseph, come back!

          It is sad when the king plays war games. - Be consistent, Joseph not only played the war.
          1. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 29 December 2018 16: 50
            0
            Young man, do not catch a word, all the more so illogical. To fight - as Stalin did, and to play war games - they are doing it now, these are two different things.
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 29 December 2018 17: 04
              0
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              Young man, do not catch a word, all the more so illogical. To fight - as Stalin did, and to play war games - they are doing it now, these are two different things.

              Thanks for the young man good
              Although retired, but nice.
  40. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 27 December 2018 19: 31
    -3
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Scalpel
    They will look for a way to counter it. They have a lot of time and money.

    Only the mind is not enough. It is necessary to contrive that would be so mediocre to fail all their advantages after the collapse of the USSR. Attempts to endlessly pressure Russia with the aim of weakening it, for the subsequent dismemberment and use of its resources, led to the opposite effect, which called into question the status of the "hegemon" as a world decision maker. The United States has entered an era of its decline, and how long it will last depends on the goodwill of Russia and China.

    They recently easily squeezed the aluminum business in Russia. In general, they own 60% of our property .....
    1. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 28 December 2018 04: 19
      +2
      Bgggg ... ahah ... guys, well, it's time to update the manuals with these rotten fakes:
      1.https: //ria.ru/20181221/1548371227.html
      2.https: //www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-12-20/how-deripaska-s-deal-means-cutting-stake-but-keeping-influence? __Twitter_impression = true
  41. bone1
    bone1 27 December 2018 19: 54
    +1
    Not in the wrong direction were allowed to test, it was necessary to fly over Europe, let them also measure the speed laughing
  42. Konst
    Konst 27 December 2018 20: 16
    +1
    Quote: Scalpel
    Yes, there is nothing fundamentally new, just another modernization of YaRS.

    Since yesterday, they thought how to answer? Not convincing, create further.
  43. Self-propelled gunner
    Self-propelled gunner 27 December 2018 20: 20
    0
    Damn it! What a beautiful and clean flight!
  44. Old26
    Old26 27 December 2018 20: 36
    -1
    Quote: Bone1
    Not in the wrong direction were allowed to test, it was necessary to fly over Europe, let them also measure the speed laughing

    Wise thought. But this only suggests that the person who wrote this does not have the habit of at least thinking and calculating the consequences.
    Do you think it would be interesting if, for example, the French, Iranians, or Chinese, while testing their long-range missiles, would let them through the territory of Russia?
    1. bone1
      bone1 28 December 2018 19: 12
      +1
      Consequences? - they will shit on Russia less, and the French, Iranians and others. Chinese, first let them learn how to wipe snot, by the way S. Korea launched rockets through Japan - well, they have nowhere else.
  45. bk0010
    bk0010 27 December 2018 21: 15
    0
    Quote: sir_obs
    which is poured by liquid helium.
    Freon
  46. madjik
    madjik 27 December 2018 21: 38
    0
    if this is true, then I'm in akue! there is no need to maneuver!
  47. Business trip
    Business trip 27 December 2018 21: 39
    0
    Oh yes "regional gas station", oh yes well done. Yes, in fact, the sect "it's just cartoons" has closed.
  48. shura7782
    shura7782 27 December 2018 21: 40
    0
    have the ability to maneuvering at hypersonic speeds.
    ... It is difficult to imagine this "maneuver" in its usual sense. This is what trajectory will turn out at the final stage.
  49. kutuz
    kutuz 27 December 2018 21: 41
    -4
    Another bullshit for "hurray for the patriots."
    1. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 29 December 2018 11: 22
      0
      kutuz (kutuz) This is an argument! A training manual was not issued or banned on the censor?
  50. 2я19
    2я19 27 December 2018 22: 18
    +1
    And why on 27 sounds also show off with some kind of maneuvering? It also will not have time to bark, not just to visit and get! Even a nuclear anti-ballistic missile!