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Writer Dmitry Drobnitsky - on the implications of introducing additional tax for draft dodgers

Taxable disability


The other day, the United Russia faction in the State Duma announced that it was preparing to submit a draft law, according to which all people who did not pass military service for no good reason would be required to pay additional income tax (also in the amount of 13% of earnings) before they reach 60 age.

I must say, the idea of ​​taking money from those who do not want to serve in the Armed Forces is not new. At one time, the LDPR faction offered a one-time payment for the “otkazniki” in the amount of 1 million rubles. Now it is proposed to make the payment of "legalized bribe" in installments, up to retirement.

The bill raises a lot of questions. What is considered valid and disrespectful reasons? Indeed, in addition to medical reasons, there are many others. How, for example, to be with former citizens of the USSR who, at the time of the collapse of the Union, served in the territory of other republics - after all, they will not have a military ID and no document at all confirming that they served? Suppose the law is not retroactive. But what if today the Russian citizenship receives 28-year-old not serving a former citizen of Kazakhstan or Ukraine? Or served 20-year-old, but served in another country?

And if someone has not served, pays tax, and in 28 wanted to go to the army under the contract? How to deal with such a defender of the motherland, part-time taxpayer? And if in 20 years it turns out that the reason was disrespectful? Penalties, fines and, in view of the large amount of unpaid taxes, a criminal case?

Income tax, so that the tax agent will be the enterprise-employer. We have and so accountants are drowning under a pile of statements, and here a new tax. Paper red tape guaranteed. Experience suggests that our bureaucracy is developed much better than any of the industries. And then there is the intersection of two departments - the Ministry of Defense and the Federal Tax Service. Today, at the very least, there is a military accounting system in enterprises mastered by personnel services (or the same accounting departments), but it has nothing to do with tax specialists. In the case of passing the bill, it is unlikely that the case will cost a copy of a military card or the conclusion of the medical board about the uselessness of the recruiter to serve. Almost certainly, the FTS will require filling out some forms at the military enlistment offices, and those, in turn, will refer to the fact that they do not have any orders to that effect. Tax reporting pereklinit.

Even if the law enters into force several months after its adoption, something will still not work. The modified vehicle inspection system is a good example. But a car without technical inspection or insurance can be thrown at home and go by public transport - it is a pity, but not fatal. And here - a matter of jurisdiction. In addition, additional work for accounting is an additional cost for the employer. Dodgers punish the ruble, and what about enterprises? Will this not lead to the fact that enterprises will not hire men who have not served in the army? Or will take, but "unofficially." Moreover, will this not lead to the fact that even those who pay an additional tax will more and more go into the shadows, and the shade of gray in salaries will become closer to black?

But all these questions fade away if we remember that without amending the Constitution and the Criminal Code, this law will work only for those most unfortunate people for whom there is a valid reason today, and after 10 years - disrespectful. What kind of tax is this, in violation of the law?

And if the Constitution is changed and universal military duty is changed to duty-or-tax, then we find ourselves in a situation of even greater conflict, because a person who does not work anywhere owes neither one nor the other. If you go to extreme measures and designate a tax, for example, in the form of 13% of earnings, but not less than a certain fixed amount, you will not only overlap the tax reporting, but also the judicial system, since you can potentially take a person’s car, house and other property for not serving in the army, and therefore, the courts will be overwhelmed with the affairs of the relevant subject.

Of course, the institute of alternative service, which is practically not working even now, will simply die, rubbed out between more serious problems. Moreover, paradoxically, this fiction of deputies finally ruins the idea of ​​a fully professional, contract army. Indeed, since there is a tax, it means that there is a taxpayer. Since the taxpayer is a draft evader, then there is an appeal.

However, he buries this not only the idea of ​​a contract army, but also the sane principle of forming a draft unit of the Armed Forces. If those who, according to United Russia and some experts, do not want to pay an additional tax, go to the army, then the annual military service does not go to those who would be needed in a military profession that may overlap with the civilian. If, as we are told, units of constant combat readiness will be formed from contract servicemen (they will go into battle, if God forbid they go), specially hired organizations clean the floors, paint the fences and clean the potatoes, then it’s obvious that more and more of the duties of the military "servants" should fall: telecom operators, programmers, repairmen, etc., and this requires specialists, and not those who want to pay less.

If, as we like to say, “there is such a profession - to defend the Motherland,” then the army, of course, must be voluntary and professional. You can supplement the contract army fees for young men. These charges, with crosses, practical exercises and shooting, to maintain mobilization reserve. It is possible to supplement the service under the contract with an appeal to the very same military "subservient", but the recruits must be motivated by, say, a free second education or extended medical insurance. But the essence is important: you need to take those who are needed, and not those who are not ready to fork out.

The current legislative initiative is one more step towards no army, and constitutional nonsense as well. All hope for the Federation Council and the presidential veto.
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http://www.izvestia.ru/news/526804
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 8 June 2012 11: 07
    +8
    More questions than answers.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 8 June 2012 11: 50
      +14
      Again, citizens are divided into grades, "white" paid and live as you want and "black" money is not present, go serve. The prestige of the service will remain only in words
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 8 June 2012 16: 59
        +6
        Nonsense is complete. And if a person does not work at all? Or is it working informally? Or does he earn 2.000 on securities - and 20.000 rubles on his hands?
        It turns out - instead of 13% - 26% income tax. With s / p - 20.000r - it will turn out 60.000r / year. 10 years - 600.000. 30 years - 1.800.000 rub.
        Not so sick !!!
        But all the same is complete ...... all this! And nothing good - such laws - will not lead!
      2. starshina78
        starshina78 9 June 2012 20: 47
        0
        What money, what taxes? In Soviet times, such people who avoided the sacred duty were sent to the "spruce corn" zone to harvest with the "Friendship-2, back and forth" harvester, and at the same time after the zone they still served in the most "terrible" troops - the construction battalion, and there "where Makar did not drive calves." What can be a one-year evasion? The stomach will not be able to wean herself from the mother's food, but it's time to demobilize. The most interesting thing is how these same-year-olds go for demobilization - as heroes! As if they defended their Motherland in difficult battles with an adversary! It's funny!
  2. sazhka0
    sazhka0 8 June 2012 11: 16
    +9
    Stupid to surprise. Served for a long time. Now I am "unemployed" as an aircraft manufacturer, interrupted by odd jobs. But I don’t pay taxes from them. Anyway. What prevents others from doing this? Hope on, but don't do it yourself.
    1. Bunny
      Bunny 8 June 2012 15: 03
      +10
      sazhka0,
      The usual thing; again on a carpet trying to collect sour cream! crying crying crying
      1. Jaromir
        Jaromir 8 June 2012 21: 28
        +4
        The next station is salt tax and slippers! And money, as usual, will go to the army, the army of deputies!
  3. Armata
    Armata 8 June 2012 11: 16
    +7
    That is all nonsense. Such a system will never work. If daddy’s wealth will allow him to pay everything that all rich rich sons will hang out at home and study at institutes, and those who cannot afford it to protect them and then catch up with them after school? So this is again clannish, if not cruder, legalized corruption of the state. Only those who cannot serve from health should be exempted from compulsory conscription, the rest should be called up without delay, and you can graduate from college.
    1. baron.nn
      baron.nn 8 June 2012 14: 55
      +2
      You can’t do that! After the army, few will go to education, because will need to support a family, parents, etc. First, study - then the army and everything else.
      1. Armata
        Armata 8 June 2012 15: 07
        +2
        Yeah, and then during the service, in general, everything will disappear from my head. And so half-educators come to work. No, first let them serve and then study. And so there will be another excuse, while he is studying, he will close up the child to a student, and then I have a family, give me a respite, or he will be an eternal student .. Not from all sides.
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 8 June 2012 16: 34
        +1
        Everything is correct! Only those who really want to study will go to study. And after school - the race to the university. For some parents, prestige is a son in the university. For an over-aged son, this is an excuse from service, but analyze how many of them can't stand the first semester. And then the search for all sorts of reasons, just not to serve. Many even agree to receive an exemption from service on mental charges. But then reckoning comes for them. And how many of these graduated "certified" specialists work in their specialty? So, Mr. baron.nn - you do not quite understand the essence of the important issue under discussion. Too many refuseniks have proliferated; according to official statistics, more than 200 thousand people. These are 200 thousand absolutely healthy, so-called, men who do not want to protect their family, friends, or homeland. You need to remember - TO BE A MAN, IT'S LITTLE TO BE BORN. IT IS NECESSARY TO SERVE IN THE ARMY. And you need to somehow fight this. If you are so smart - TELL ME!
  4. dimaas
    dimaas 8 June 2012 11: 22
    0
    The tax is of course complete nonsense. The costs of its administration will cover all possible revenues, especially given the grayness of our salaries. Here is a one-time payment of half a million in size would probably be effective. And pay it IMHO should all, including white-ticketers and girls. Well, 3 months of the call must be left in any case.
  5. Crumbumbes
    Crumbumbes 8 June 2012 11: 32
    +2
    for me so, such a law is not needed!
    go-go go serve!
    United Russia is looking for extra budget revenue ...
  6. yorik_gagarin
    yorik_gagarin 8 June 2012 11: 39
    +10
    The army must be created so that it would be desirable to serve in it ..... everything else is nuances. We have a girl with dual Israeli citizenship at work. My family went there in the 90s. Her brother went through interviews for a long time and eventually got a job as a programmer with Pts. good salary. I worked for half a year and it was time for military training. (they have such orders there) he served a month ..... and quit his job and got a contract. He says he can’t think of a better job ..... conditions, a salary ...... and a bunch of benefits ... And when we bring 18 year olds in peacetime in zinc coffins with traces of beatings ..... you want do it, but people will not give their children away for slaughter to thirsty joopomors, and there will go the children of those who, to the best of their material and physical capabilities, could not smear their child.
    1. Crumbumbes
      Crumbumbes 8 June 2012 11: 47
      +2
      please zp in the army is growing. compared to many civilian professions, where I am taking a paycheck, from 12-25 tr, and somewhere even lower ...
      but I believe that it is necessary to undergo military duty, this teaches discipline and teamwork, as well as that the most important thing is to handle weapons and military equipment, the time will come and these skills will not only be his ... spout, but also life many of his citizens ...
      1. yorik_gagarin
        yorik_gagarin 8 June 2012 12: 01
        +3
        Yes, I didn’t say that it wasn’t necessary to serve ...... I mean that the problem cannot be solved with one whip .... In general, the ideology should change ... Previously, the one who did not serve in the army was considered flawed.
    2. sazhka0
      sazhka0 8 June 2012 12: 11
      +1
      That's right. Everything is right. But moral and material burdens do not matter .. Serve NECESSARY. Just to be a MAN. CITIZEN
      1. baron.nn
        baron.nn 8 June 2012 14: 59
        +2
        And who did not serve is not a man or something? You need to think with your head, and not in other places before speaking !!!
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 8 June 2012 16: 44
          +2
          A man, but not a defender of the homeland.
        2. yorik_gagarin
          yorik_gagarin 9 June 2012 10: 01
          +3
          I didn’t serve ..... very poor health ..... After university, I was called up to the draft board ...... Father said go and serve. They didn’t take ....... But after issuing documents from the military hospital ..... I received a military soldier ...... in a year ...... they will call me and they won’t give me .... they’ll call me from work and Petya don’t give it away, there’s Vasya no ...... Then again he calls me and the military commissar in his office says to me: Are you stupid ??? I’m not .... Go to the next office, look at the chairs .... I’ve looked .... you’ll buy four of these, I will give you a military soldier .... And what do you think after that I will send my son to such an army, for example !!! And it’s not a man who didn’t serve on the account ..... I didn’t serve in the army for health, but I could serve as an engineer on the defense industry, for example ... I understand automation and electrical engineering quite well ...... why not organize everything civilized but after talking with the military commissar .......
          1. Commander
            Commander 9 June 2012 10: 19
            +1
            Now in the military commissariats are all civilians, even commissars. You write correctly !!! A man must be beneficial for himself and for society, including the Army. We must first use his knowledge !!
    3. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 8 June 2012 16: 43
      +2
      You talk about beatings, hazing, and other crap. But did you serve in the army? If you served, then what did you do to prevent hazing and bullying in the army? Obviously, after serving a week without a year, they themselves began the right to pump, scoff at young people, and now they are cleverly arguing that someone should make the army attractive for you. We ourselves should look around us and, no matter what, take the path of a fair decision any question. And especially in the army. It’s not the army that makes freaks freaks. They are already coming from the civilian world. After all, no one is engaged in upbringing. There is no time for parents, and the school provides educational services, and more. So what else do you want? Go to the mirror and see one of the followers of all the bad that happens in the army. Warranty, you will not be laughing.
  7. sazhka0
    sazhka0 8 June 2012 11: 42
    +2
    If you consider yourself RUSSIAN .That simply "SHOULD" know that you are a WARRIOR .. WE HAVE NO other way. Who has not served or is going to do it. THINK! If you are not a WARRIOR, it means p and up to race .. And the attitude will be appropriate. It's a pity for the "Muscovites" to endure so much from these geeks.
    1. baron.nn
      baron.nn 8 June 2012 15: 00
      +2
      Your head is definitely not all right!
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 8 June 2012 16: 45
        +2
        We haven’t done anything about your smart head yet. If you are hurt, it’s clearly not in vain ....
  8. Darn
    Darn 8 June 2012 12: 05
    0
    I remember from childhood, the phrase is one who did not serve that square egg. As a child, while resting in a pioneer camp, I asked the squeezed one. What did he serve or not. What did he tell me that he did not serve. Damn, I was surprised that he was physically healthy and did not serve. How is it? In general, in childhood and youth, I got everyone this question. I was always interested in the army. I loved to watch documentaries about the army. Then, in grade 9, I got an eye injury because of stupidity, the eye operation wasn’t saved. And the result was not in the army served. Well, okay, I’ve adapted already. Interestingly, they will not recognize me as deviators, although everything is possible in our country.
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 8 June 2012 12: 15
      +6
      With the introduction of such a tax, it turns out that the Army can be bought off. The young generation will quickly catch this wave, and then they will say that everything is bought and sold. And patriotism will be replaced by corruption. It would not be disgusting to realize this, but this is a future reality.
      1. Darn
        Darn 8 June 2012 13: 37
        0
        Hello Odessa
        Indeed, like the very phrase that you can pay off the army, it sounds ridiculous to me. Born as a boy, all go serve. I remember one person told me that he would not be taken into the army. I was surprised and asked why? He replied that in 2001. The son of EBN must go to the army, and whatever they take him there, there will be no conscription. In delirium. I laughed of debt. And who is interested in such a stupid rumor started up.
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 8 June 2012 14: 15
          +3
          Damn, I’m not a rumor expert, it’s better to rely on reliable sources. And one more thing, the old military men would definitely correct you, remember once and for all, they won’t take them into the army, they DRAW me into the army! yes
      2. sazhka0
        sazhka0 8 June 2012 14: 50
        +1
        How much does patriotism cost and why is this an abusive word? Just to say that I am Russian, there could be an article for this .. Glory to the Great Pu..I'm not going to discuss
    2. anchonsha
      anchonsha 8 June 2012 12: 33
      +2
      Here Damn, and you look like the author of this article - to bring everything to an absurdity, even with your disability. True, if the official is the same batch as the author of the article and YOU, then he is guaranteed to be recognized as an evader ...
      1. Darn
        Darn 8 June 2012 12: 59
        0
        anchonsha
        I answered what, but I am not the author of this article. But thanks for the answer.
  9. Odessa
    Odessa 8 June 2012 12: 20
    +4
    Visual agitation!
  10. anchonsha
    anchonsha 8 June 2012 12: 27
    +4
    The author, you see, the former deviator himself ... So eroded the proposed idea to idiocy that the devil himself will break in his thoughts ... Do not want to serve pay.
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 8 June 2012 12: 29
      +1
      NOT EVERYTHING MONEY IS MEASURED, AND DO NOT NEED TO BREED OUT OF THE ARMY SURVEY AND BAZAR!
      1. sazhka0
        sazhka0 8 June 2012 15: 07
        +2
        I hope .. Odessite with Respect
  11. Manager
    Manager 8 June 2012 13: 22
    +6
    Crazy idea. Children of the rich will be registered as junior apprenticeship assistant junior loader and will pay 150 rubles per month from the official salary ???
    Or a tax of 1 ml rubles is even more fun. Again - the parents of the rich have money so their child does not know the word army (as now generally).
    And a guy from a small town who, for example, has an ulcer, flat feet and scoliosis is for the truth and whose parents have no money will go to serve because the shortage is due to the fact that the aligarchata paid off !. Very funny.
    Corruption has a feeling that the laws are written for themselves and their loved ones. "Handsome" what can I say!
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 8 June 2012 14: 19
      +4
      Human Manager (1) good , "Pretty boys", in quotation marks these are the same u.r.o.dy. The law is ugly! yes
  12. dmb
    dmb 8 June 2012 14: 10
    +3
    There has already been a period in our history when the strategist Nikita cut everything that can be cut, motivating us to repel nuclear missiles. In my opinion, our fathers of the nation, who, in principle, also did not serve, have similar concepts. Well, they are, but when citizens with a military education seriously say that we and the contract army will defeat everyone, it means that basically they spent the entire training period sleeping in the back rows, or that they are not going to fight and win. Nobody has canceled the concept of mobilization, but why is it needed? To mobilize the paid off, who did not hold the machine in their hands? Or do we not know how it ends when the personnel base is knocked out in the first battles? I’m afraid that even in case of victory, the next Svanidze and Solonins will have more than enough reason to talk about filling up with corpses. Or are we going to fight, because of the all-planet peacefulness we are not going to?
  13. sergey261180
    sergey261180 8 June 2012 14: 43
    -1
    How tired of this Ministry of Defense in its quest to recruit slaves for free. And so and that way they get out just not to pay people for work. As M. Zhvanetsky said: "They say the army is not a resort. So make a resort. A soldier will have something to defend. For example, his army." It was under communism that you could work for free. And for 70 years people have been instilled with a persistent hostility to free physical labor. Now you can't lure people into it. Let them pay money for their work, and not invent any kind of x..nu.
  14. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha 8 June 2012 15: 17
    +2
    Any law complicating the life of "shit in a human guise" - unwilling to defend the Motherland is a blessing!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 June 2012 16: 21
      +6
      - We have beliefs

      - What are these beliefs?


      “We believe in our gentlemen, Govinda, but he doesn’t tell us to shoot people.”

      - Everything, you suit us. And your govinda is nothing. Liquid, but nothing. And again you do not need to cut. And you people are apparently hardy: 4 hours “Hari Krishna” to shout - this is not everyone can do ... You’ll go to the chemical army.

      (DMB)
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 8 June 2012 16: 31
        +3
        It’s like in that joke. I don’t remember exactly, but the meaning is .... Nooo, we can’t join the army, the god of the Sheba doesn’t order, the Sheba from the word Sibanut? The first day of service and already on the province. wassat
  15. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 8 June 2012 16: 57
    +5
    "" "" If, as we like to say, "there is such a profession - to defend the Motherland", then the army, of course, must be voluntary and professional. "" "" And why they love it is a normal human awareness of the need to preserve what what our ancestors left us. They collected the land bit by bit, and we can uselessly waste it all for a simple reason - there are no defenders, there is no people willing to defend their land. Russia has historically always been able to defend itself, and not only itself.

    I thought, I think I will consider it - there should be a universal military duty in the country. Only then there will be some guarantee that the country will be protected. And the Russian Defense Ministry will cease to decipher, like the Ministry of kickbacks of the Russian Federation.
  16. sergey69
    sergey69 8 June 2012 20: 18
    +2
    Deviation from service is a criminal offense. Let all laws be executed and everything will be fine. And you do not need to invent anything new.

    Those who mowed down from the service are scowling from the law. They will buy a certificate at the hospital or whatever
  17. gorgoroth0
    gorgoroth0 8 June 2012 20: 50
    +5
    I was perplexed by the words of one of the users - "who did not serve that pi to the races." Quite recently, I heard one man on the whole bus broadcast that the one who does not smoke or drink is not a man. Do you also agree with this opinion? You shout about your "correctness" and "holiness" although you yourself do not notice that your generation is overly responsible for the moral decay and degradation that is now taking place in our society, in particular among young people. But about "pi yes ras owls" I will argue. Yes, some people do not serve in the army, but they are absolutely normal, they have families, those who have served rarely go to universities, in the villages there is a general soldering process, I myself have observed the process of this degradation, but the most important thing is that they have served, it means they everything is possible, you can thump, degrade, destroy your destiny, not all have served, only a small percentage begins a normal life after the army, the lot of the rest is degradation. I love my homeland and my people, but at the same time I hate it for its mentality, for drunkenness, boundless drunkenness, which has long been the cause of a nationwide catastrophe and the extraordinary respect for criminals and criminals in our society.
  18. Cadet787
    Cadet787 8 June 2012 20: 55
    +1
    In general, I did not serve a good idea for good reasons in the army, you will pay until retirement. Anyway, there are those who, for any reason, slope away from the army. At least some compensation.
  19. suharev-52
    suharev-52 8 June 2012 21: 34
    +3
    Everyone should serve! And this should be the LAW. Look, half of the government did not serve. Half of the State Duma saw the machine gun only in the picture. And what do you want from these figures. Once in a warm chair, they imagine themselves, almost missions. And that is why we see how, with enviable regularity, another "masterpiece" of their legislative efforts is falling out on the people's heads. Wait on the way for a few more even more "exclusive masterpieces" of their legislative frankness. Sincerely.
  20. 416494
    416494 8 June 2012 23: 24
    +1
    In vain we so keenly started discussing this article. Who is Drobnitsky? A writer, probably with a fantastic bias, and where did he get such information from? I don’t think that people gathered in EP to initiate such stupidity. In the USSR, when education, medicine, housing and domestic services were almost free, I would have understood such a tax not of refuseniks, then the state really cared for youth. And now, when even birth in our country costs money, I'm not talking about the rest, what kind of debt a person can have in front of the state? I myself served 4 years from 1962 to 1966, and then I got an education and I don’t think these years are lost. But then we really felt a duty to the Motherland. And now is another time, people don’t feel any duty, because the Motherland is to them It doesn’t give anything, they have to buy everything from the Motherland and all that they gave their children is only their merit and their children owe nothing to anyone. Unambiguously young people should go through the Army at least in order not to become just cannon in case of war. And probably the Army should become professional, although I do not believe in oennyh that serve only for the money.
  21. IGR
    IGR 9 June 2012 00: 02
    +2

    Serve the son, as the grandfather served, and the grandfather served x .... laid down (I remember more!)
  22. Alekseev
    Alekseev 9 June 2012 10: 11
    0
    Any tax, redemption from service is an indulgence. not good smells immoral.
    Measures to make the service popular are well known and have been used by many states, in which the defense and sovereignty issues are not indifferent.
    It is necessary, on the contrary, to give tax, and not only tax, to those who are not shy about fulfilling the duty to protect their homeland.
    And the order in the matter of conscription and in the troops must be brought in, until this is visible, so half measures, throwing, incompetence.
  23. Alekseev
    Alekseev 9 June 2012 10: 27
    +2
    Quote: suharev-52
    Everyone should serve! And that should be LAW.

    Except for the sick, of course.
    Measures in order to fulfill their duty to protect the homeland have become popular with young men in Russia are well known. They were widely used in those states that value their independence and sovereignty.
    But the tax on draft dodgers is an immoral indulgence.
    It is necessary, on the contrary, to reduce taxes for those who have conscientiously served, to give other benefits. There should not be any public service as a superior for a draft evader in principle. Etc. am
    But the order and legality in the organization of the call, directly in parts.
    To call for a young man to become a better man, to become a protector, and not to have seen enough of a "squatting brothel"
    Although, this is a complicated matter, it may be better to sell what is left of the army and go, as one Ukrainian hetman used to say in the old days, "under the Tursky Saltan"