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Why do we need icons instead of guns?

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So, we don’t approach the end of 2018 in the best way. We will not have "Almaty", we will not have Su-57, we will not have "Coalition-SV", we will not have repaired airfields. We have thwarted all the plans for the construction of ships of the main classes; only with boats, on which Chinese engines are regularly put, everything is more or less.


Why do we need icons instead of guns?


But we will have in Alabino (in the “Patriot”) a temple for 6 thousand people. The main temple of the Armed Forces.



In general, the situation is very strange, to be honest. All this, I'm sorry, reminds the Russian-Japanese 1904-1905 war, in which we won such a convincing victory.

Oh, no, there was no victory. There was a crushing defeat on land and at sea, the loss of foreign bases, an incompetently drowned fleet and the list goes on.

Probably not enough icons were sent to the front. It was necessary more.

Today, on the one hand, we hear that there is no money for that, there is no money for that, but money for toys is in good condition. And not only money.

I will talk about money a little lower, the topic will also be interesting.

And now I would like to quote a phrase that Defense Minister Shoigu uttered and which many who heard it already replicated.

“To make every square meter of the temple symbolic, for this we will cast out the steps of the temple from captured German equipment,” said Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to members of the public council in his ministry about the main temple of the Ministry of Defense in Kubinka. Nobody argued with the minister.

It is understandable, to argue with Shoigu now more expensive.

But the trouble is, the question arises: where will Mr. Shoigu take this trophy German vehicle? We, thank God, 75 years as the Germans did not fight. And do not plan like.

Probably, this is about the plunder of the museum funds tank technicians in Kubinka, as I understand it. Indeed, what? Anyway, the museum’s exposition dedicated to the Second World War is no longer an exposition, since everything of value has migrated to the Patriot Park.

So, you can calmly take everything that is left, melt down the steps for the temple and solemnly fasten them.

And it can be even easier. You can cast these steps out of scrap metal, and just withdrawn from the museum just quietly to drive abroad.

What, really, trifle? Just think, some kind of museum in Kubinka. Park "Patriot" - that's the main thing! All the best there, and do not care that the Law on Museums is broken, you never know that there was one of the best collections in the world. Minister Shoigu wanted everything to be gorgeous at the Patriot - some law was invented ...

So they will take away from Kubinka what is left of German and in the best case they will sell them to private collections. And it will be really the best outcome, because in the worst they will melt down foolishness.

And why do we need some kind of German tanks and armored personnel carriers? All that a true Russian patriot should know is the T-34, the best tank in the world. The rest of the evil one. And where is the evil one best cast out? Right in the temple.

By the way, here is the temple for you. On 6 thousands of people.

And nothing that a huge temple will stand in a place that works week in a year. Nothing that by the wave of the hand of the Minister of Defense will bring those who wish to pray. As the prosecutors in the Crimea in their time to Nikolai Romanov offered weekly prayers, so now in the new church there will be no last day for those who want to. The entire General Staff and all the Ministry of Defense. How pretty little rush.

And there is nothing that will not remain at such a pace even to make a film clearly clear, of samples. What is generally sad at the level of pornography that prevails in our so-called cinema.

And for the rest, World of Tanks and other computer games will be enough.

But how nice it will be to never stand on the steps of the Main Temple of the Armed Forces of Russia, which are cast from German trophy technology ...

By the way about the temple, and, finally, about the most important thing: about money.

Thank you very much to the newspaper “Krasnaya Zvezda”, our main body of the Armed Forces! If it were not for the work of colleagues, then we would never have reached what we will talk about now.

So, some time ago, “Red Star” began to publish heroic materials on how they all began to throw off the temple.


Screenshot of the publication in the newspaper "Red Star" by 24.12.2018

Naturally, the flow can not decrease, since such a huge number of funds collected is present. In fact, she, the figure, was from the very beginning, and changed very little. Billion seven hundred million with a tail.

But we have a document. No, Document! Which, in fact, explains the presence of an inexhaustible stream of people who want to throw off at the temple among the military.



Well, as we in the army are able to appoint these same "volunteers", I think no one needs to tell. Everyone at least once yes been in this skin.

I will please the veterans of the Armed Forces of the USSR, nothing has changed.

This is the problem ... Once a week, but find volunteers and imagine! And it’s okay if they, poor fellows, don’t have to transfer real money (now, dear ones, there is a little bit left!), Then only the journalist will have a headache to put a captain from Sakhalin into his mouth, who just needs the subject of a religious cult near Moscow.

Captain Alexander Drozdov, well done, how well wrapped! As you understand, it’s great that we don’t live in those times when the people robbed the church, forced them to give tithe! And now what beauty, not 10% you give, and how many you want. Well, lepote same!

And the most interesting. One billion seven hundred million rubles.

All of you, dear readers, seriously believe that this "with the world for a lot of money" have thrown off? Seriously?

But I see it all from a slightly different angle. “Suddenly,” nearly two billion have fallen — this is not a product of “dropping the whole world.” It is quite normal because the amount of a beautiful toy that collapsed overnight. From where is the third question, and it is not very important, if not from the budget of the military ministry. If from there - sadness, there is no - I do not care, for example, from where Shoigu dug them.

But I am sure that this is a budget.

It was because then these beautiful tales began about the fact that the whole world is building a church for themselves. That is why it is required to present weekly to the public those who allegedly donate to build a church.

These are our not built "Almaty".

These are our not flown Su-57.

These are not airfields repaired by 2018 throughout Russia.

No, of course, 1,7 billion is not money for our lives. This, let's say, little things. This is only a half dozen new T-90, if so translated.

But the approach itself is surprising. Icons instead of shells - it already was. And left in stories not in the best light.

For some reason I do not want a repetition, especially now.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 27 December 2018 05: 45
    +6
    The novel is of course a burning topic ... but the document submitted by you causes great doubt.
    You can make a scan of it and print out any content in WORD up to the point that you are an agent of Mossad ... you’ll have to tinker with the signature a little of course ... and this will result in digestible paperwork to be thrown into the Internet ... be careful with such things.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 05: 52
      +5
      it is at least. is this an extract from the order? where is the seal? where is the city on the right side under the cap of the order? The date on the top left is always the city on the right. what is this scribble?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 27 December 2018 06: 00
        +4
        Moreover, you cannot upload such a crude document to the Internet ... there will be no trust in the author. what
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 06: 05
          -4
          even if this is omitted, there is one big question - how can the unit commander collect this information?) I have nothing to do, for example, how to report to the authorities that I voluntarily do personal time) also give comments on that)
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 27 December 2018 07: 01
            +35
            Well done Roman Skomorokhov, he wrote everything correctly!

            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 27 December 2018 07: 11
              +55
              Temples in Russia instead of guns - and this is on the eve of TMV!
              We will defend Russia from the enemy, Lord God ?! Praying to God to sing ?!

              All this is called shameless fusion of the church and the state, state and church.

              The merging of the church and the state (that is, the transformation of the church into a loyal instrument of the state) takes place in the Russian Federation creepingly - not openly, as in pre-revolutionary times, but at the level of personal contacts and arrangements behind the back of the people, contrary to the desire and mentality of the people and their hump, and according to personal ministerial concepts - for example, the same Shoigu.
              1. free
                free 27 December 2018 07: 32
                +8
                Quote: Tatiana
                Temples in Russia instead of guns - and this is on the eve of TMV!
                We will defend Russia from the enemy, Lord God ?! Praying to God to sing ?!

                All this is called shameless fusion of the church and the state, state and church.

                The merging of the church and the state (that is, the transformation of the church into a loyal instrument of the state) takes place in the Russian Federation creepingly - not openly, as in pre-revolutionary times, but at the level of personal contacts and arrangements behind the back of the people, contrary to the desire and mentality of the people and their hump, and according to personal ministerial concepts - for example, the same Shoigu.

                hi
                1. For example
                  For example 27 December 2018 20: 32
                  -17
                  Devilry is not only in Ukraine in the person of Poroshenko's Kodla.
                  Devilry and here to the utmost.

                  Temple interrupted?
                  And he writes right there
                  Thank God ...


                  Decide, sir already, you are a militant atheist or Orthodox.
                  The word God is spelled a little bit first what you wrote.
                  After that, I will also write your name with a small letter.

                  Communists and sympathizers continue to fight the temples?
                  Fellowship comrades. Or does history not teach you anything?

                  Thank God that there are fewer demons in the army every day.

                  Orthodox Shoigu and this annoys those who want to arrange a new turmoil in Russia.

                  Shoigu showed by his deeds that he can.
                  1. Stils
                    Stils 27 December 2018 21: 17
                    +9
                    Excuse me, I'll put in my five cents. There was an explanation from the church ... In this and similar context, it is permissible to write "God" with a small letter
                  2. Maxim_ms
                    Maxim_ms 28 December 2018 08: 17
                    +8
                    Why if an atheist is immediately militant?
                    And God is not in temples; for Vera, temples are not needed.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 28 December 2018 19: 53
                      -3
                      Quote: Maksim_ms
                      Why if an atheist is immediately militant?

                      Strange, huh? Nevertheless, not far from the truth.
                      Maybe this question will be better solved by a psychiatrist?
                      Quote: Maksim_ms
                      And God is not in temples; for Vera, temples are not needed.

                      A very interesting case. God is capitalized, faith is capitalized.
                      We probably just put different meanings in the same words.
                      1. free
                        free 28 December 2018 21: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        Quote: Maksim_ms
                        Why if an atheist is immediately militant?

                        Strange, huh? Nevertheless, not far from the truth.
                        Maybe this question will be better solved by a psychiatrist?
                        Quote: Maksim_ms
                        And God is not in temples; for Vera, temples are not needed.

                        A very interesting case. God is capitalized, faith is capitalized.
                        We probably just put different meanings in the same words.

                        What is the difference between faith and doctrine, can you say? This will at the same time be the answer to your question. It is written absolutely correctly.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 29 December 2018 06: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: free
                        It is written absolutely right.

                        Thank you, reassured me, good citizen.
                        In a nutshell, simple and easy.
                        Let the horse think.
                        Quote: free
                        What is the difference between faith and teaching can you say? This will at the same time be the answer to your question.

                        Tovarisch, you apparently laid a certain meaning. But he eludes me.
                        That is, regardless of my level of intelligence and efforts, my answer to your question will answer my question, which I did not ask? Freshly.
                        To you for enlightenment:
                        faith lives in us regardless of any teachings. But the teachings can guide her in one direction or another. Faith is not alone at all; it differs among all. Like the teachings.
                        Which creates the unique variety of opinions and views that we observe.
                        So it’s stupid to write about FAITH, that in each and independently and hug the oak, throw a crust on the spirits. Everything is completely different. Man is a jug. And it may have vinegar and ragweed.
                      3. free
                        free 31 December 2018 16: 51
                        0
                        [quote = Flood] [quote = free] It is written absolutely correctly. [/ quote]
                        Thank you, reassured me, good citizen.
                        In a nutshell, simple and easy.
                        Let the horse think.
                        [quote = free] What is the difference between faith and teaching can you say? This will at the same time be the answer to your question. [/ quote]
                        Tovarisch, you apparently laid a certain meaning. But he eludes me.
                        That is, regardless of my level of intelligence and efforts, my answer to your question will answer my question, which I did not ask? Freshly.
                        To you for enlightenment:
                        faith lives in us regardless of any teachings. But the teachings can guide her in one direction or another. Faith is not alone at all; it differs among all. Like the teachings.
                        Which creates the unique variety of opinions and views that we observe.
                        So it’s stupid to write about FAITH, that in each and independently and hug the oak, throw a crust on the spirits. Everything is completely different. Man is a jug. And in it there may be vinegar and ragweed. [/ Quo


                        Faith is a state. And religion is a doctrine. Faith as a state is one for all. But teachings can be different.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 December 2018 17: 49
                        0
                        Quote: free
                        Faith is a state. And religion is a doctrine. Faith as a state is one for all. But teachings can be different.

                        Sorry, very flat.
                        What condition? Crazy? Souls?
                        If this faith is one for all, then I dare to assume that with the same teaching, the result should be approximately the same for everyone. Is it so?
                      5. free
                        free 1 January 2019 02: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        Quote: free
                        Faith is a state. And religion is a doctrine. Faith as a state is one for all. But teachings can be different.

                        Sorry, very flat.
                        What condition? Crazy? Souls?
                        If this faith is one for all, then I dare to assume that with the same teaching, the result should be approximately the same for everyone. Is it so?

                        Of course not, the depth of feeling will be different. The mathematics is the same for everyone, after all, but the level of understanding is different.
                  3. Huumi
                    Huumi 28 December 2018 13: 44
                    -1
                    He can’t do anything. From what is really needed, what should be done
                  4. free
                    free 28 December 2018 21: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: For example
                    Devilry is not only in Ukraine in the person of Poroshenko's Kodla.
                    Devilry and here to the utmost.

                    Temple interrupted?
                    And he writes right there
                    Thank God ...


                    Decide, sir already, you are a militant atheist or Orthodox.
                    The word God is spelled a little bit first what you wrote.
                    After that, I will also write your name with a small letter.

                    Communists and sympathizers continue to fight the temples?
                    Fellowship comrades. Or does history not teach you anything?

                    Thank God that there are fewer demons in the army every day.

                    Orthodox Shoigu and this annoys those who want to arrange a new turmoil in Russia.

                    Shoigu showed by his deeds that he can.

                    "There is no need to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived."
                  5. free
                    free 28 December 2018 21: 19
                    -2
                    Quote: For example
                    Devilry is not only in Ukraine in the person of Poroshenko's Kodla.
                    Devilry and here to the utmost.

                    Temple interrupted?
                    And he writes right there
                    Thank God ...


                    Decide, sir already, you are a militant atheist or Orthodox.
                    The word God is spelled a little bit first what you wrote.
                    After that, I will also write your name with a small letter.

                    Communists and sympathizers continue to fight the temples?
                    Fellowship comrades. Or does history not teach you anything?

                    Thank God that there are fewer demons in the army every day.

                    Orthodox Shoigu and this annoys those who want to arrange a new turmoil in Russia.

                    Shoigu showed by his deeds that he can.

                    Judging by the cons, your disastrous business.
                  6. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 31 December 2018 18: 39
                    +2
                    Devilry and here to the utmost.
                    Gee, gee, gee ... "clericalism on the march" is called ... *))) And why only an Orthodox church? *))) Where for a heap - a mosque, a synagogue and a pagoda then? *)))) also 1.7 lard each? *))))
                  7. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 31 December 2018 18: 56
                    +4
                    Devilry and here to the utmost.


                    Yes, and damn it ... *)))) I finally understood why your missiles began to fall more often (tfu-tfu-tfu so as not to jinx it, without human casualties!) ... *))))) You just invite an Orthodox priest - this is the root of the problem ... *)))) and this dude in a cassock does not have enough voice to reach the "Almighty" or strength in his hands, shake the censer with a censer, "god" smelled what was smoking ... *)))) You guys need to invite everyone at once ... and a mullah, and a rabbi and a lama of some kind, bald in all places and finally fildipers ... *))) Here they are together, in a lot of sips, "god" will persuade to raise the rocket above any "firmament of heaven", even if the plant forgot to screw the engines in place ... *))))) Oh, oh ... really - they made fun of the New Year ... *)))) Happy New Year everyone ... *)))))
                2. Garri_
                  Garri_ 29 December 2018 22: 12
                  0
                  ... anyway we will "win" ... only we will immediately go to "paradise", and they will simply die ... laughing
              2. nils
                nils 27 December 2018 10: 24
                +8
                Quote: Tatiana
                ..... behind the back of the people .... according to personal ministerial concepts - for example, the same Shoigu.

                In 2012, Shoigu was awarded the Knight of Malta (Masonic) Order (Grand Cross of the Order of Merit).
                Prehistory:
                1989. - M. Gorbachev met on the island of Malta with President D. Bush. It was Malta, the capital of the Order of the Knights of Malta, whose knights are members of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Club, that became the site of the fateful agreements on the collapse of the USSR.
                In November 1991, B. Yeltsin was awarded the title of Maltese knight. In the Kremlin, he was awarded the cross of the knight-commander of the Order of Malta.
                In August 1992, Yeltsin signed Decree 827 "On the restoration of official relations with the Order of Malta."

                And the real state of the army should be judged not by television PR actions of the ministerial - Maltese concepts, but by the real state of affairs, including in the mobilization system, where there are continuous tears.
                1. Servisinzhener
                  Servisinzhener 27 December 2018 15: 21
                  +1
                  In 2012, Shoigu was awarded the Knight of Malta (Masonic) Order (Grand Cross of the Order of Merit).
                  is that order whose master was Paul I? wink
                2. Huumi
                  Huumi 28 December 2018 13: 45
                  +7
                  Yyyyyy. Yeltsin, Knight! Order of the Drunken Knight
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 27 December 2018 11: 34
                +25
                Quote: Tatiana
                Temples in Russia instead of guns - and this is on the eve of TMV!

                Recently, one comrade called Shoigu the greatest patriot, but my question is, how and in what way is his patriotism measured? I did not find words.
                It turns out that the most important patriot is the one in whose temple the domes are higher and whose cooler the temple.
                Personal coat of arms of Shoigu.

                Immodest somehow, the new nobles?
                Fraud and window dressing remained in our lives.
                1. snake
                  snake 27 December 2018 12: 42
                  +24
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Immodest somehow, the new nobles?

                  King Arthur and the Knight Lancelot.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 27 December 2018 15: 23
                    +15
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Personal coat of arms of Shoigu.Immodest somehow, the new nobles?Fraud and window dressing remained in our lives.

                    Namely "new nobles" - and even from the 1990s!

                    Mikhail Leontyev, an economist and publicist, once told a joke on the Rossiya radio about this, popular on the sidelines among the courageous Russian oligarchs, so that the working people of Russia would also hear this joke. Namely.

                    JOKE
                    Somehow the Russian oligarchs gathered for a joint discussion to agree among themselves their positions on how they should live and become wealthier in Russia further.
                    Disputes between them began and when they ended and everyone agreed with each other on everything, then the honorary chairman of this meeting of oligarchs said:
                    - Well, now we need to somehow - in conscience - and think about the people!
                    - Right! - the oligarchs cried out together from places. - Who needs how many people ?! Let's make a list first, and then discuss it too!
                    1. AK1972
                      AK1972 28 December 2018 09: 25
                      +2
                      This collection has recently been featured in news across all channels. Remember who presided over there?
                      1. Deck
                        Deck 29 December 2018 15: 30
                        0
                        Don't remember this one?
                  2. lis-ik
                    lis-ik 27 December 2018 17: 41
                    +7
                    Quote: serpent
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Immodest somehow, the new nobles?

                    King Arthur and the Knight Lancelot.

                    How can you ?! This is the best defense minister and brilliant president!
                2. Altona
                  Altona 27 December 2018 13: 05
                  +16
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Immodest somehow, the new nobles?

                  -----------------
                  The more magnificent the emblem, the more insignificant the genus, if we turn to heraldry. Fursov said so at one of his lectures. These are not my words.
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                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 27 December 2018 14: 27
                    +26
                    But is it not stupid to build temples and stadiums, to give out billions of dollars in loans for the construction of nuclear power plants to Turks and other Finns? At a time when your own fleet is breathing in the wind, there is nothing to pay kirdyk and pensions to naval aviation.
                    1. Cheslav Tsursky
                      Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 14: 34
                      -22
                      What is charity? I think you’re able to look on the Internet. In any search engine, just type CHARITY (you can use small letters). I am very glad if I helped you a little.
                    2. free
                      free 28 December 2018 21: 15
                      -1
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      But is it not stupid to build temples and stadiums, to give out billions of dollars in loans for the construction of nuclear power plants to Turks and other Finns? At a time when your own fleet is breathing in the wind, there is nothing to pay kirdyk and pensions to naval aviation.

                      This is not stupid, there is another word for this.
                4. Huumi
                  Huumi 28 December 2018 13: 51
                  +4
                  Yyyyyyyy - Tuvinian knight Reindeer herder. Castered a coat of arms ..... on that coat of arms draw him an organ of origin and deer horns
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              5. Altona
                Altona 27 December 2018 12: 51
                +28
                Quote: Tatiana
                Temples in Russia instead of guns - and this is on the eve of TMV!
                We will defend Russia from the enemy, Lord God ?! Praying to God to sing ?!

                All this is called shameless fusion of the church and the state, state and church.

                ----------------------
                You thought the authorities were going to protect you? We have already been protected by pension reform, the next goodies are coming.
                1. Warrior Hamilton
                  Warrior Hamilton 27 December 2018 13: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Altona
                  You thought the authorities were going to protect you? We have already been protected by pension reform, the next goodies are coming.

                  Everything is clear for a long time! The next stage of modeling GMOs is completed.
                  How many godfathers will be allocated in Happiness, so much will be Happiness bully
              6. Shelest2000
                Shelest2000 27 December 2018 18: 37
                +10
                If we look at the clericalization of the Armed Forces, and the whole country, from the point of view of the current authorities of Russia, then everything is correct. I have long come to the conclusion that, from their point of view, people should be stupid and stupid (greetings from the Unified State Exam and stupid talk shows with the Shurygins and Sasha Gray on central channels, etc.), afraid of everyone and everything - policemen, officials, judges with prosecutors (with only 0,36% of acquittals, but with the same "bloodthirsty" J.V. Stalin - 9-11%), bandits (I do not see much difference between the above), and most importantly - God-fearing and respecting everyone these black scammers. For who else will explain to the people and the military,What is all power from God?
              7. astepanov
                astepanov 28 December 2018 14: 53
                +9
                If you pray on the starting table,
                Sprinkle a rocket holy water
                That will not explode, the Proton will not crash
                - For the Lord's hand is strengthened.

                Kohl takes care of any soldier
                Mufti, rabbi or bearded pop,
                That shakes the foreign army
                He rushes away from the border to run.

                Pounding with cymbals, waving censers
                And with bearded and long-maned,
                People are praying, the president and the country -
                Just no use for no reason.
              8. Simargl
                Simargl 30 December 2018 08: 09
                +3
                Quote: Tatiana
                Temples in Russia instead of guns - and this is on the eve of TMV!
                Well, in the university, prayers instead of Knowledge are already being shoved in full!

                Quote: Tatiana
                not openly, as in pre-revolutionary times, but at the level of personal contacts and arrangements behind the backs of the people
                In fact, not just openly, but insolently, in violation of the Constitution.
              9. Petrograd
                Petrograd 31 December 2018 12: 03
                0
                Yeah, the next step will be the construction of a mosque, synagogue, and other temples (the only question is, are there steps from which iron will be made?). I am not against faith and believers, but all this fuss and ostentatiousness, against the backdrop of problems in the country (rising prices for everything, utilities, fuel, etc., boorish attitude of officials) resembles a kind of circus. Yes, and who will serve in this super-temple, GUCCIbatushki, or what?
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 1 January 2019 23: 33
                  0
                  Pussy Wright has experience ...
                  1. Petrograd
                    Petrograd 3 January 2019 00: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: sabakina
                    Pussy Wright has experience ...

                    For money (alas) and little babies will serve in the temples, Vera is, but her servants turned into corrupt businessmen.
              10. Icarus
                Icarus 3 January 2019 10: 21
                0
                Temples in Russia instead of guns - and this is on the eve of TMV!
                We will defend Russia from the enemy, Lord God ?! Praying to God to sing ?!

                In fact, firstly, in the title of the article: "icons instead of guns" (and here icons, if the article is about a temple and about money, this is a question for the skomorokhov), and secondly, victories are obtained not only by force of arms, but also by force spirit, which Faith has never been a hindrance, thirdly, prayer is not made to God, but to oneself (sometimes before death).
                contrary to the will and mentality of the people
                For the people, dear Tatiana, no one authorized you to speak out. For example, on the website of the Resurrection Fund, today - January 3, 2019, there are already 1 million 900 thousand rubles of donations. And the author of the article is "sure" (that is, believes, without any evidence) that the donations are from the budget. It turns out that the author of the article is also a believer, only in whom or in what?
                Well, about the instructions of the Deputy GU (if it is genuine) about reporting information about donors for the construction of the temple, of course, the stupidity and excesses of the "educators", who, in my opinion, undoubtedly prepared a draft of this order for the troops. The sacrifice then benefits the donor when it is done in secret.
          2. Old tanker
            Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 10
            +16
            Have you served in the army as an officer?
            Judging by the phrase: “I have nothing to do” ... I doubt it
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 07: 13
              -23
              served and quite a long time. Well, make me share information that does not concern the service at all. I did not serve in the Soviet army. my personal life in general should not bother others.
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 27 December 2018 09: 14
                0
                Adventist on the 7th day?
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 27 December 2018 09: 11
          -12
          Quote: The same LYOKHA

          Moreover, you cannot upload such a crude document to the Internet ... there will be no trust in the author.

          And what is wrong with the document?

          If you read it carefully, we will see that it obliges to provide HE volunteersand just introduce them surnames. There is a difference.

          This is a long tradition: the names of the donors to the church were printed in newspapers, commemorated at the services.

          For example, the names of donors to the Cathedral of Christ the Savior were printed in several editions at once, for example, in "Literary Russia"
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 09: 15
            -3
            the very form of this document so to speak.
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        4. stalki
          stalki 31 December 2018 12: 29
          0
          That’s how it’s all fake.

          https://topwar.ru/152034-mo-rf-nazvalo-fejkom-soobschenie-o-sokraschenii-vyplat-pskovskomu-garnizonu.html
      2. BAI
        BAI 27 December 2018 09: 56
        +6
        And in the upper right corner, it seems to me not by chance, the handwritten inscription is cut off. If it had not been cut, many questions would not have arisen.
      3. trophy
        trophy 27 December 2018 10: 04
        +36
        This is not an order, but an instruction drawn up in accordance with the requirements of the PMO No. 170 of 04.04.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX. Teach the materiel, so to speak. But in fact, for me it would be better to build a rehabilitation center for military personnel and their families. And people do not need to melt real benefits and trophies.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 27 December 2018 14: 32
          +11
          Yeah, Shoigu blurted out about remelting trophies without thinking how Zolotorev blurted out about a duel with Navalny. Something very noticeably dope climbed out of all the cracks of our higher generals and rulers.
          1. Warrior Hamilton
            Warrior Hamilton 27 December 2018 15: 11
            +4
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Yeah, Shoigu about the remelting of trophies blurted out without thinking

            Remelt the rifle bikes and forge the throne from them! Quite a feasible project. This is not some kind of Westeros! We will be asked: "Why?", And we will answer: "This is Russia, baby!" good soldier
            1. Huumi
              Huumi 28 December 2018 14: 11
              +2
              Yes. Exactly and like in the TV series. "If the throne had been forged from members He would not have climbed off of it!"
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 December 2018 21: 53
            -7
            Rather, after the war, the arsenals were full of military equipment of the Reich - from tanks, guns and other things left in abundance - these were the rest and put into action.
            1. Alf
              Alf 28 December 2018 20: 13
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              after the war, the arsenals are full of military equipment of the Reich

              If that were the case, then we would not have seen in the cinema T-44 in a plywood body kit and IS-2 in the form of a Tiger, I generally am silent about the YAK-52 with crosses.
      4. Conductor
        Conductor 27 December 2018 10: 16
        +2
        And yet, does the wording I demand is correct? Can I order?
      5. Pushkar
        Pushkar 27 December 2018 13: 47
        +7
        Bull terrier. The specifics of the extract were deliberately removed so as not to substitute a specific honest officer who had removed the extract on the telephone. Do you immediately have passwords and appearances?
      6. Datskiy
        Datskiy 27 December 2018 15: 00
        -4
        The video will explain a lot.
    2. Russia
      Russia 27 December 2018 05: 58
      -12
      ".... It is quite normal that the sum for a beautiful toy collapsed overnight."

      I agree with the author's concern that good deeds should not be done that way. Well, with the "beautiful toy" Roman was sorted out, a drop of ointment in a barrel of honey.
    3. Finches
      Finches 27 December 2018 07: 00
      +51
      I will say only one thing here, with all due respect to the Minister of Defense, but he has one and very significant "but" - he is not a military man! You can put on any shoulder straps, but you never become a military man - for this you need to live in the barracks for 4 or 5 years, all these years go to the dining room under the drum, run on exercises, take part in all kinds of sports events on Sundays, go on guard and an outfit in the dining room, go AWOL with the girl, if you get caught, sit and think about your behavior in the guardhouse, mix dirt on the training grounds, and listen to the whole set of idiomatic expressions from the company commander or battalion commander, what a good person you are ... Well, then get in For 20 years, a platoon of motley soldiers, a bunch of equipment and weapons ... And our Rosguard is commanded by a stall guard (I exaggerate a little), the Minister of Defense is a nomenklatura worker of the CPSU, his state secretary of the soldier saw only in the picture, it's very good that the head of the General Staff dear general and that is bread! True, there is already such a clowning as under Serdyukov, thank God, but how much harm he brought to the country's defense - you can't even remember everything ... Hence the PR - the Minister thinks like a high-ranking official scolded at party work, and even in the late CPSU, they did people, oh-oh, this is not "EdRo" for you, the organization was serious - it believes that the temple is more important than the Coalition today! No more! Politically more profitable! Who sees this Coalition there, and here it is, the Temple, and who built it? Minister!
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 27 December 2018 07: 15
        0
        He is paramilitary !!! MOE all the same.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 27 December 2018 13: 59
          +21
          Quote: Conductor
          He is paramilitary !!! MOE all the same.
          So he was never in the operational staff; he did not go into the fire with the barrel. This is an inspector, an official who fines for swinging gratings and expired fire extinguishers.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 27 December 2018 08: 31
        -11
        Quote: Finches
        but he has one and very significant "but" - he is not a military man!

        The Russian Federation had 6 "military" ministers, what can you say about them?
        Quote: Finches
        Minister of Defense - CPSU nomenclature worker

        The last Minister of Defense of the USSR died in 76, after him there was an engineer, and after the engineer there was a cowardly marshal!
        Quote: Finches
        Who sees this Coalition there, but the Temple is standing there, and who built it?

        So I also think, we need tanks - planes with hundreds of thousands riveted (after all, tomorrow TMV, as one woman said here), and this "MChSnik" apartments, dormitories, warm toilets, a buffet ... we have that, the officers forgot how in to live in barracks with a potbelly stove? Or have you forgotten how to deal with hardships and hardships? The people are waiting for the Coalition, they don't sleep at night, but the minister is building a temple, you see !!! To dismiss the minister, the officers to the stall, the soldier to barley with a combi! You understand !!! am
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 December 2018 08: 52
          +21
          You do not understand me, Sergey, absolutely ... hi But I will not argue with you!
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 December 2018 09: 57
            +8
            Maybe I didn’t understand hi
          2. neri73-r
            neri73-r 27 December 2018 11: 28
            +10
            Quote: Finches
            You do not understand me, Sergey, absolutely ... hi But I will not argue with you!

            It’s not entirely possible to agree with you, Stalin generally finished seminary, but the scale of his personality was global, he outplayed the West and its elite! It does not always depend on education, although the latter is important.
            1. Elk
              Elk 29 December 2018 20: 11
              +1
              Stalin graduated from a theological school, and he was expelled from the seminary.
        2. BAI
          BAI 27 December 2018 09: 58
          +27
          The Russian Federation had 6 "military" ministers, what can you say about them?

          None of them built churches, when leaving for Red Square, he was demonstratively baptized under the cameras.
          When former CPSU party apparatchiks suddenly defiantly become super-believers - this is very similar to hypocrisy and pharisaism. St. George is not necessary to remember - he was not a member of the CPSU.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 December 2018 12: 07
            -1
            Quote: BAI
            None of them built churches

            Moreover, none of them did not build an army request ...paradox?
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 27 December 2018 13: 15
              +12
              Quote: Serg65
              Moreover, none of them did not build an army

              Rodionov tried. But he was quickly "gone".
        3. Alex_59
          Alex_59 27 December 2018 13: 16
          +8
          Quote: Serg65
          and this "MChSnik" apartments, hostels, warm toilets, buffet ....

          Good afternoon, Sergey! Sorry, I'm certainly a civilian, but according to the general opinion of some of my military acquaintances, all of the above applies to Serdyukov’s innovations.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 December 2018 14: 12
            0
            And you can’t get sick Alexey hi
            Quote: Alex_59
            all of the above applies to the innovations of Serdyukov

            Well, just recently, several dormitories in the Kuril Islands ..... I do not deny Serdyukov's merits regarding military life, but Shoigu is not far behind in this .....
        4. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 27 December 2018 14: 30
          +13
          Quote: Serg65
          Or forgot how to deal with hardships and hardships? The people are waiting for the Coalition, they don’t sleep at night, and you see the minister building the temple !!!

          In my opinion, churches should be built by the church, not the Minister of Defense
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 28 December 2018 07: 30
            -1
            Quote: Sunflower
            In my opinion, churches should be built by the church, not the Minister of Defense

            Temples people are building!
            1. Elk
              Elk 29 December 2018 20: 16
              0
              Exactly! And the church is the people. So you are both right, but the Minister of Defense is a member of the church.
        5. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 28 December 2018 11: 16
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          So I also think we need tanks - planes with hundreds of thousands riveted (after all, tomorrow TMV, as one woman said here), and this "MChSnik" apartments, dormitories, warm toilets, a buffet .... we have that, the officers forgot how in to live in barracks with a potbelly stove? Or have you forgotten how to deal with hardships and hardships? The people are waiting for the Coalition, they do not sleep at night, but the minister, you see, is building a temple !!!

          Totally agree with you. Sergei Kozhugetovich Shoigu is an excellent Minister of Defense of Russia, moreover, he did a lot to improve the living conditions of the military personnel. And one of the few truly believing Orthodox people in the leadership of our Moscow Region that I personally, as an Orthodox Christian, cannot but rejoice.

          The temple in Patriot Park - yes, to be built on donations, my personal attitude to this construction is somewhat ambiguous, including in terms of the design of the project, but it is better to have a temple there than a wasteland or stadium.
      3. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 27 December 2018 10: 46
        -7
        Quote: Finches
        True, such a clowning as under Serdyukov already, thank God no,

        At least one example of "clowning" under Serdyukov?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 December 2018 12: 19
          +16
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          At least one example of "clowning" under Serdyukov?

          He-he-he ... the furniture maker in the context of the "military temple" is better not to remember at all.
          And they say that when he visited the training center of the Airborne Forces near Ryazan, he almost cursed the head of the Ryazan school and was swept up when they reported that the repair of the dining room and engineering networks at the training ground was not completed (in the yard - September 30 (!)), but in the UTs, a temple is being built for voluntary donations.
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 28 December 2018 11: 23
            +1
            This episode is true, and not just a little, but that is obscene and public. At VO, it was even described -https: //topwar.ru/1781-ministr-oborony-serdyukov-oblozhil-matom-oficerov-vdv.html
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 28 December 2018 13: 18
              +1
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              This episode is true, and not just a little, but that is obscene and public. At VO, it was even described -https: //topwar.ru/1781-ministr-oborony-serdyukov-oblozhil-matom-oficerov-vdv.html

              Yeah ... it was the first version - from the Communist Party. In which the poor, innocent officers were obscenely blamed.
              The truth later it turned out that the conversation on elevated tones began after it turned out that with all the good reports, the landfill could meet the winter without a dining room and without heating - the deadlines were broken. And instead of explaining how it happened, who is to blame and when everything will be eliminated, the paratroopers began to tell the minister that a church was being built at the training ground. After that, I already went checkmate.
              Because you must remember that the furniture maker's feature at that time was "improving the living conditions" of military camps - and the Ministry of Defense was regularly reporting on the successes of the Defense Ministry. And then they put such a pig on him.
              1. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 28 December 2018 14: 04
                +1
                Yes that's right. I even saw the one who was "winged". Nothing, then he became a deputy of the State Duma. "Shame is not smoke, eyes will not eat." All are good, in short.
                Swearing publicly to distribute, even if it is reasonable, is a sign of ordinary rudeness, for my taste. Correctly point out the inadmissibility of "show-off" and "substitution of concepts" + impose appropriate penalties.
      4. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 28 December 2018 08: 26
        +5
        Yeah, a military sitting parade cannot take by definition.
    4. Li17
      Li17 27 December 2018 07: 37
      +3
      As for the authenticity of the document, everything is correct, but there are also oral orders that are brought to the attention of the commanders. I had to find the notorious boxes with baksheesh, and these boxes had designations large and not large, clear stacking of delicacies ..... they just did not have an estimate for the cost of a part - think for yourself how to make money (I hope many people here know this). So here, all these loud statements about the "donations" of soldiers, for whom it is joy and great "happiness" for all conscious ... Have not forgotten the Soviet Army and its political administration? The Minister of Defense is certainly a fine fellow, but he knows and loves showing off. In principle, there is nothing wrong with it, if it is smart and in moderation, but as history shows, in this matter there is often pride with all that it implies!
    5. Cheslav Tsursky
      Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 08: 38
      -25
      For some reason, the document is presented in a cropped form, but this is not at all the case. What is it that the command requires the submission of the data of the military personnel of the donors to the temple? What's bad about it? Let the explanations like "yes we all know" accept those "who always know everything and everything about everyone"! Now about the main temple of the Sun. Their personal funds donated to the temple:
      Nikita Mikhalkov film director, Vyacheslav Fetisov Olympic champion, Svetlana Ishmuratova Olympic champion, Svetlana Khorkina Olympic champion, Anna Chicherova Olympic champion, Leonid Yakubovich, TV presenter, Ilona Bronevitskaya actress, Alexander Karelin, Olympic champion, Sadov, singer, Victor Sharapova, TV presenter, Igor Butman, composer, Emir Kusturitsa, film director, Valeria, singer, Mikhail Moiseev Chairman of the Russian Union of Veterans, Viktor Ermakov, Chairman of the Organization of Veterans of the Armed Forces, Kirill Kaprizov, Olympic champion, Oleg Dobrodeev, director of VGTRK, Eduard Zapashny state circus, Victor Soloviev, journalist, Alexander Marshal, singer, Nadana Fridrikhson, journalist, Victoria Cherentsova, singer, Oleg Mityaev, author performer, Svetlana Zhurova, deputy of the State Duma, Svetlana Druzhinina, actress, Valery Gazzaev, deputy of the State Duma, Andrei Vorobyov, governor of the Moscow region , Elena Isinbaeva, Olympic champion, Dmitry Kharatyan, actor, A Nastasia Makeeva, actress, Denis Maidanov, author performer, Yuri Nikolaev, TV presenter, Alexey Nemov, Olympic champion, Dmitry Pevtsov, actor, Dmitry Kiselev, TV presenter, Anastasia Chernobrovina, TV presenter, Valery Vostrotin, Chairman of the Russian Paratroopers Union, Igor Ugolnikov, director, Nikolay Rastorguev, singer, Alina Borodaeva, director of a network of medical centers, Dmitry Kulikov, political scientist, Oksana Fedorova, TV presenter, Boris Korchevnikov, general director of TK SPAS, Mikhail Khodarenok, military observer, Alexey Mukhin, Russian political scientist, Anna Shafran, radio host, Viktor Murakhovsky, military expert, Sergei Mikheev, political scientist, Olga Kormukhina, singer, Igor Ashmanov, entrepreneur, Armen Gasparyan, radio host, Shota Gorgadze, lawyer, Irina Kaznacheeva, adviser to the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation, Evgeny Primakov, journalist, Irina Yarovaya, State Duma deputy, Ilias Mercury, blogger , Elena Starostina, TV presenter, Elena Serova, State Duma deputy, Georgy Seralidze, TV presenter, Maxim Surov, member of the State Duma committee, InnaSvyatenko, deputy, Mikhail Degtyarev, chairman of the State Duma committee, Zakhar Prilepin, writer, Andrey Khapochkin, chairman of the Sakhalin State Duma, Natalya Narochnitskaya, President of the Foundation for the Study of Historical Perspective ... and many thousands of other famous and ordinary people of Russia! Transferred to the accounts of the Resurrection charity foundation
      1 856 125 415, 76 rub.
      The history of Russia, whose independence was forged in wars with foreign invaders, is inextricably linked with the history of temple construction: temples - monuments, chapels, memorial signs and entire Orthodox architectural ensembles were erected in memory of the defenders of the Motherland.
      To unite all Orthodox believing military personnel, the Main Church of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is erected. You can read about this and much more on the official website of the construction of the temple. There you will see photos of many donors and their words about the importance of this event.
      And we will build a temple in spite of spiteful critics and outright opponents. God is with us!
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 27 December 2018 09: 10
        +35
        And to orphanages, where kids without parents can’t translate what? There they are needed. We in our cooperative are supporting two WWII veterans, 3 poor families with children do not pay a road contribution, infrastructure maintenance contributions, gifts were prepared for them on NG. Believe me, it’s more important for them than a temple
        1. Cheslav Tsursky
          Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 09: 23
          -19
          Do you understand what donors understand? People donate their money to build a temple! Do you have any questions? Do you blame them? You, someone indicates who to donate and to whom to help? Orthodox people generally don’t talk about victims and help. Need help - help. Why are you opposing the construction of a temple and helping those in need, or, as in this article, icons for cannons? Do you know anything about the charitable activities of many parishes and the Russian Orthodox Church in general? Sorry to me such stupidity, as it is not even a hand comment.
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          2. Conductor
            Conductor 27 December 2018 10: 26
            +9
            Go to the temple hungry and barefoot, I’m talking about realities when children don’t need the word of God but the confidence that they will support him in the hard way in life, and here the church and support are needed not only at the level of words, but also deeds
            1. Cheslav Tsursky
              Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 11: 28
              -12
              Well, Deriger, I will tell you about the support of the ROC to people in deed if you yourself are not able to find such information. I’ll just tell you again, maybe you don’t have absolutely any right to tell other people how to do good deeds. And you certainly cannot indicate by condemning who, when and how to help! The ROC has created departments of social orientation in almost all dioceses (188). There are departments for helping families and children. In 13 dioceses there are departments for helping drug and alcohol addicts. There are departments for interaction with medical institutions in 12 dioceses. Every year 6-7 new shelters appear for women in difficult situations. Assistance is provided to pregnant women. By 2016, the Russian Orthodox Church had organized 44 such shelters across the country. Now there are more than 60. There is a program against abortion, "Save Life". Thanks to this and the help of mothers, more than 7 babies have already been born. In 000 alone, 2017 new humanitarian aid centers were opened. There are now about 66 of them across the country. Thanks to the church, there are about 170 shelters for the homeless working in Russia. There are about the same number of large canteens. Together with the Ministry of Health, specialized medical posts are being opened throughout the country. Assistance is rendered to the disabled. There are over 100 projects in this direction, you can write a separate article about this. A whole system of work for priests and nurses in emergency situations, including during terrorist attacks and in combat zones, has been debugged. The Russian Orthodox Church provides great assistance to the Donbass. In the first year of the war alone, 400 128 rubles were donated. There are refugee assistance centers throughout the country. In Moscow, on the basis of the Church of All Saints in Novokosino, the work of a comprehensive center for helping the inhabitants of Ukraine has been organized. In the first period of the war alone, the ROC spent 081279 rubles to help refugees. At present, targeted delivery of humanitarian aid is underway. Free canteens are organized in the Donbass. During the first incomplete year of the war, the ROC sent about 76 tons of humanitarian aid to Donbass. Since then, work in this direction has only increased.
              1. balunn
                balunn 27 December 2018 14: 30
                +15
                Too much in our secular state the church is everywhere present with the filing of those in power. Hence the negative.
                1. Cheslav Tsursky
                  Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 14: 50
                  -14
                  Quote: balunn
                  Too much in our secular state the church is everywhere present with the filing of those in power. Hence the negative.

                  Where and how is it present in your life, and even more so with the filing of power if you are an unbeliever ?! Are you forced to participate in prayers and religious processions? Forcing to donate to the temples? Maybe you pay some sort of church fee from your salary or tax? No need to invent a negative, Cyril, and there will be no negative.
                  1. balunn
                    balunn 27 December 2018 15: 17
                    +13
                    When, until a certain point, it was not fashionable, no one believed, and then a miracle ... they saw the light ..... and all the former party organizers and their ilk sharply became believers. How is that?
                    How is it that we do not have a school in the new microdistrict, but we have a church? Isn’t this happening with the filing of those in power? And these are not single examples, they are full of unfortunately.
                    Faith is something personal ..... probably sacred, but when they make PR from it ........ well, that’s not right.
                    1. Cheslav Tsursky
                      Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 15: 30
                      -17
                      Your comment is completely uninformative. Where is your neighborhood in which there is no school? What kind of party apparatchiks do you mean and how does this personally concern you if you are talking about sacredness and PR? Who specifically instructed to build a church instead of a school, and why did you decide that it was? Do you know that the church in Russia is separated from the state and the state does not build temples for budget money? Your comment raises more questions than actually carries information. Next time, if you decide to blame someone for something, then do it targetedly and accompany the argument.
              2. Halado Romane
                Halado Romane 27 December 2018 18: 15
                -15
                And why did you put so many minuses to a person? For the fact that he told you about people on whose voluntary donations a temple is being built for our soldiers? For the fact that he told you what big and hard work our church is doing to support those in need, including the Donetsk republics? I have only one question for you haters of Orthodoxy and Orthodox - do you ever feel ashamed? If at least for a second this happens to you, you can still save your soul. May the Lord save and wise you!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 19: 05
                  +16
                  Maybe because a fellow opera is a little disingenuous about:
                  Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                  Do you know that the church in Russia is separated from the state and the state does not build temples for budget money?
                  ?

                  There the document is long, and the numbers are large. repeat
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 19: 08
                    +8
                    Here is just the beginning:
                    1. Halado Romane
                      Halado Romane 27 December 2018 19: 17
                      -15
                      And you, comrade Mordvin, is that embarrassing ?! What does the state support spiritual education? laughing Is that bad, comrade Mordvin ?! What is cunning here? And for Opera you don’t worry about Detective either! Everything in its place. Would you like more here the presence of Orthodox patriots of our country?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 19: 24
                        +14
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        And you, comrade Mordvin, is that embarrassing ?! What does the state support spiritual education?

                        Khe-khe ... I am confused by this:
                        Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                        Do you know that the church in Russia is separated from the state and the state does not build temples for budget money?

                        Something like that ... does not fit ...
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        Would you like more here the presence of Orthodox patriots of our country?

                        Call the whole holy brethren, otherwise I remember how one pop escaped from my question about the monuments of white whales. laughing
                      2. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 27 December 2018 19: 32
                        -18
                        Naturally separated! And where does the spiritual and educational activity of non-profit organizations ?! You do not understand the difference? If you are so embarrassed by the construction of churches, the state only allocates land for this and then at the request of citizens! So or I'm lying? Do you believe this VTsIOM that the armed forces occupy the first place with respect to the trust of citizens? This is a question about the construction of the main temple of the sun? And as for calling here the Orthodox, then you and the Opera with the Detective laughing they were so scared that you still won’t move away as you recall ... laughing and this is without my humble participation, Mordvin! So we can handle it for now.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 19: 39
                        +15
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        And where does the spiritual and educational activity of non-profit organizations ?! You do not understand the difference?

                        I don’t understand. As they say, shake the priest better, gold will fall out of it. Here he hastily scraped the very first organization on the list, the center of the NGO "Renaissance". And who are the founders there?
                      4. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 27 December 2018 19: 41
                        -12
                        laughing so believe VTsIOM?
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 19: 45
                        +12
                        Where do you see VTsIOM data?
                        I downloaded the first data from the electronic code of legal and regulatory and technical documentation, the second - from the directory of organizations. What side is VTsIOM here?
                      6. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 27 December 2018 19: 48
                        -13
                        Do not be nervous. Now I will explain how. I asked you a specific question. Answer please.
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 19: 53
                        +12
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        I asked you a specific question.

                        Which one? Is this this one?
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        believe VTsIOM?

                        Of course not. Do not go cancer over the stone.
                      8. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 27 December 2018 19: 57
                        -14
                        You will thus speak with the mirror. Once again, let me not notice you at all. So does VTsIOM lie that the RF Armed Forces occupy the first place in the trust of our citizens? So do I understand you? And who is your Communist Party? laughing
                      9. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 20: 06
                        +8
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        So does VTsIOM lie that the RF Armed Forces occupy the first place in the trust of our citizens?

                        And why should he lie when he does not need to do this? No, he’s not lying. But I don’t understand, what does this have to do with the Russian Orthodox Church?
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        And who is your Communist Party?

                        The Communist Party has long been bored, and the church at the same time. I can remember how Zyuganov walked through the back door to the church, when everyone else stood there for several hours to kiss the knuckles.
                      10. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 27 December 2018 20: 16
                        -11
                        Well, now you’ll understand. According to VTsIOM polls, the second place in the trust of citizens is held by the Russian Orthodox Church. Nearly 70% of respondents expressed their confidence. You can see confirmation of this every day looking at how many of our people go to churches, stand at the Liturgy, baptize children and take them to Sunday schools. In the near future you will see what will happen on Christmas and Easter Holy! They probably saw tens of thousands of people standing in line for hours to bow to the holy relics. Of course, 68 years of persecution of the church still make themselves felt. But militant atheists like you are becoming more marginalized. I hope you will understand it someday. I wish you this from the bottom of my heart.
                      11. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2018 20: 20
                        +13
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        Almost 70% of respondents expressed their confidence.

                        Well, then I enter those 30% that the churches do not trust.
                        Ask Shpakovsky, he will popularly explain to you about the Pareto law. laughing
          3. de_monSher
            de_monSher 31 December 2018 20: 49
            0
            Do you understand what donors understand?


            Everyone understands everything ... *))) I here read your conversation with interest. The question is, if they are such "good Samaritans" and patriots (which is generally doubtful - I will explain why later. They are, first of all, just clerics turn out) what for they donate money to the temple, and not to the actual planes, tanks, ships, etc. ? *))) After all, if my memory serves me "not a man in a temple, but a temple in a man", isn't it? They would donate money to a warship, but if they wanted to pray, they stuck their cross there, or what else could they stick or hang a mona on any seaside dune, gathered in a crowd, prayed - and that's all ... *))) THE TEMPLE doesn't care for them ? For show ??? *))))
      2. BAI
        BAI 27 December 2018 10: 07
        +20
        Don’t confuse real donations and PR promotion. All of these are media faces and did it for self-promotion. Can you name at least one person who donated to the 62nd Moscow Cancer Hospital? Is there at least one media personality? But after the hospital was repaired, it’s a pleasure to see (of course, there was budget funding). The names of the donors are on the boards in the lobby of the main entrance.
        1. Cheslav Tsursky
          Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 10: 29
          -12
          Quote: BAI
          Don’t confuse real donations and PR promotion. All of these are media faces and did it for self-promotion.

          And where did you see an advertisement about this? This I have just given you a far from complete list of names. You will also be interested to know that a very large part of the donors, as it should be in the Orthodox tradition, prefer not to publicly name their names. Why do you consider yourself in the right to indiscriminately blame people? About 62 Moscow Hospital, why are you asking me a question? In general, I certainly can tell you about the charity of the Russian Orthodox Church, including in the field of medicine. Want to?
          1. BAI
            BAI 27 December 2018 10: 59
            +13
            And where did you see an advertisement about this?

            In many places, in particular - here. https://fondvoskresenie.ru/
            A whole site is dedicated to this. And he, too, is funding something.
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 27 December 2018 10: 30
          +10
          That’s the answer to the zealots, there’s no PR, A child’s kiss on the tummy does not mean taking care of childhood.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 27 December 2018 10: 53
            -10
            Quote: Conductor
            Here is the answer to the zealots

            For example, I did not know that the temple was built on donations.
            Quote: Conductor
            there is no PR

            In such matters, this is not accepted!
            Quote: BAI
            All of these are media faces and did it for self-promotion.

            Judging by the surnames, they have already achieved everything in life and do not need self-promotion.
          2. BAI
            BAI 27 December 2018 11: 05
            +15
            In Sergiev Posad there is a school for deaf-mute children - littered with charity (the children are beautiful, it is pleasant to take pictures against their background). And there is a shelter for lepers and a shelter for children with cerebral palsy - from charity - either a penny or nothing, you won’t take a picture against the background of patients from these institutions.
            1. Cheslav Tsursky
              Cheslav Tsursky 27 December 2018 12: 02
              -16
              And here you are and deal with this issue. Organize people. Inform them of the need for assistance to this institution. Help yourself. And then you are here, as an outside observer, speaking at best, at worst, like a self-appointed judge! I wrote about the charity work of our church above. This is a very serious help to people. Thank God. I’ll just tell you that our church is still separated from the state and is not financed from the budget. There may be help from the state, for example, in restoration, but unfortunately this is a very troublesome question - so many papers must be collected and the need for financing is justified ... And here is what you have is some kind of truly revolutionary hatred for rich people. A wealthy person does not mean bad and you should not measure everything with one measure. On the Internet you can easily find hundreds of famous names of musicians, athletes, writers, cultural figures. officials, etc. providing regular assistance to hospitals and sports facilities, schools and other social institutions from their personal funds. If you find their names on some site, this does not mean that they are PR. PR is a different concept and I don’t want to give examples of some of them. Given your political orientation, you obviously will not like it. Why arrange these showdowns? People build a temple for the glory of the Russian army! They don’t pull you by the collar. Well, you don’t mess with people. Don't you like it? Well, bypass the temples - your business!
              1. Halado Romane
                Halado Romane 27 December 2018 14: 27
                -12
                Cheslav, for some reason my comment was deleted with a warning ... however, I hasten to inform you that I sincerely support you. The truth will strike its way, but Vera will not be trampled upon; she is True! So that we will build our Orthodox churches! Despite any opposition including and here in VO.
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      3. Pushkar
        Pushkar 27 December 2018 17: 09
        +12
        [quote = Cheslav Tsursky
        And we will build a temple in spite of spiteful critics and outright opponents. God is with us! [/ Quote] Is God with you? Is it not diabolical pride? Do (in your opinion) a charitable deed, but boast to the whole world with names and portraits "The Lord added: WITH THIS SO THAT THEY SEE YOU, do not do good for show to people. And you can do good in front of people, but not so that people look at your good; if you do good because of human praise, then at least you did it in your cage - it doesn't matter: you do it not for God, but for your vanity, and God looks at your heart and punishes or rewards - not the matter itself, but your intention ". "Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing (Matt. 6: 1-4)"
        1. Halado Romane
          Halado Romane 27 December 2018 18: 03
          -9
          You read what Tsursky wrote about this above. Carefully. This is the answer to what you wrote. And the Orthodox Christians should not endure attacks on the Holy Church, which even here in mass numbers can be contemplated with displeasure. The temple is being built for people and not for show and for human voluntary donations. The Orthodox clergy will find it necessary to mark people for this with memorable lists within churches. No one will be upset. Godly deed! And of course God is with us! What more could you want? And when you say, "you are so and so" then you would be so kind as to speak specifically to whom you are addressing. And do not quote the Holy Scripture not on business! Show off!
  2. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 05: 47
    -29
    you and Armata got to stupor. the contract for the first batch was signed and the beginning of its implementation has already begun. can you just laugh at least one country that has signed a contract for the 132 newest tanks? give any. China is just not accepted, they will not give such information to life. and leave you alone from the temple. Do not like, do not eat. Why would anyone need your speculation? there is a site of the Resurrection Fund. there everything is clear the amount of donations received at this moment is 1 856 125 415,76 rubles. What are you all looking for a black cat ah?
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 27 December 2018 06: 14
      +16
      Dear Bull Terrier! Do you as a specialized tanker see how to use armature? In my opinion, as a techie, the ARVB is a purely anti-tank self-propelled guns, to support MBT. That is, their original 2000 as promised, no one was going to build.
      PS This is purely my opinion (although there are not only mine but also people who at one time graduated from the CTU)
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 06: 20
        +8
        I have it similar. I see her as a battlefield control machine more than MBT. coupled with the latest 90cm upgrades this would be great. she sees hears and recognizes further than everything. we’ll tell the whole regiment of them I don’t see yet. maybe in 15-20 years when such a technique completely displaces the combat machines.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 December 2018 10: 23
        -12
        Until the 30th year, 2000 platforms will be made, and then robotic tanks will go into the army.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 27 December 2018 06: 25
      +13
      About the temple, I agree with you. Well, this amount will not save the "father of Russian democracy."
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 27 December 2018 07: 05
      -5
      contract signed
      Where is the extract from the order? Where is the seal.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 07: 10
        -13
        are you Petrosyan?) did not recognize in makeup.
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 27 December 2018 08: 37
      -4
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      you and Armata got to stupor

      You, my friend, do not throw such words! The "people", thinking about the absence of Armata in the nearest parking lot, cannot normally go to the toilet! A piece does not go down your throat! And you shamelessly destroy the dream of the "people" of hundreds of tank armies armed exclusively with Armata, you can't do that !!!!
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 08: 45
        -4
        yes it just kills it all. even the Germans to upgrade their 400 how much there Leo up to 7 can not. for the year, as many as 7 pieces, but to us all is not enough. 132 pieces) fi) will not be enough.
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 27 December 2018 11: 07
        -6
        Quote: Serg65
        The "people", thinking about the absence of Armata in the nearest parking lot, cannot normally go to the toilet!

        And this laughing people in everything positive that is happening in Russia will find a negative moment (necessary) and try to depreciate everything. hiWe have the wrong system lol
  3. gloomy seva
    gloomy seva 27 December 2018 05: 49
    +15
    I agree the place was not well chosen. It was necessary in Washington to build and organize daily flights of military transport aircraft for the departure of spiritual needs.
  4. passerby
    passerby 27 December 2018 05: 49
    +1
    The soldier must endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service (c)
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 27 December 2018 05: 58
      +31
      The soldier must endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service (c)

      In the church or something.
      The army is not an institution of noble maidens ... the institute of political officers in the Russian army decided to be replaced by priests ... this is not serious at the present time.
      Faith is a personal matter for every person, regardless of place of work, service and residence.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 06: 59
        -28
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        In the church or something.

        Are you sick of the fact that a soldier went to church? Do not want to, nobody drags you personally to the temple. Fuck you to other prohibitions and decide for them, they need the Church to go or not.
        1. free
          free 27 December 2018 07: 30
          +30
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In the church or something.

          Are you sick of the fact that a soldier went to church? Do not want to, nobody drags you personally to the temple. Fuck you to other prohibitions and decide for them, they need the Church to go or not.

          Here’s how, and why then is churching going on at the state level? This is coercion, just indirect.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 32
            -29
            Quote: free

            Here’s how, and why then is churching going on at the state level? This is coercion, just indirect.

            Why didn’t you resent the destruction of the temples by the Bolsheviks, which was not indirect, but direct.
            1. free
              free 27 December 2018 07: 35
              +22
              [quote = Alexander Romanov] [quote = free]
              Here's how, and why then the churching then goes on at the state level? This is coercion, just indirect. [/ Quote]
              Why were you not outraged by the destruction of the temples by the Bolsheviks, which was not indirect, but direct. [/ Quote

              There was a reason for this, and it did not last long. And this did not undermine the defense.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 44
                -9
                Quote: free
                .And this did not undermine defense.

                Then it is also better to rebuild the temples in the beginning of 1943. Probably the time has come.
                1. free
                  free 27 December 2018 14: 20
                  +10
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: free
                  .And this did not undermine defense.

                  Then it is also better to rebuild the temples in the beginning of 1943. Probably the time has come.

                  Is this a bit of an attempt at proof? laughing
              2. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 27 December 2018 10: 51
                -6
                Quote: free
                There was a reason for this, and it did not last long.

                This continued (with varying degrees of intensity) until about Brezhnev times. Those. 40 years minimum.
            2. aglet
              aglet 29 December 2018 20: 50
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Why didn’t you resent the destruction of temples?

              it does not disturb me even now. religion is an opium for the people, a childhood illness of humanity, a prosthesis of justice and honesty. the consecration of a spaceship with a pop is a bright indicator of insanity and phimosis of the brain of both the modern people and its leaders. the temple of trophy scrap metal is on a par with this insanity. in the "saints of the 90s," brothers consecrated their "geldings", is that not the same?
          2. You Vlad
            You Vlad 27 December 2018 11: 13
            -4
            Quote: free
            Here’s how, and why then is churching going on at the state level? This is coercion, just indirect.

            How is it selective in you, but as in synagogues, mosques? This is not coercion, but freedom yes
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 27 December 2018 07: 33
          +28
          Fuck you to other prohibitions and decide for them, they need the Church to go or not.

          Ha... belay Roman, well, you turned down ... I forbade?
          Get fucked up ... I just say that the army should do its own thing ... fight.
          And the church drag into it somehow does not fit with this appointment.
          A direct example ... when the Arabs during military service ... drop everything and start to pray ... it’s no good.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 38
            -14
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Roman, well, you have bent ...

            Not Roman, okay, that's okay
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            I just say that the army should do its job ... to fight.

            She is at war
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            And the church drag into it somehow does not fit with this appointment.

            For almost 1000 years, the Church was in the army and no one said why the soldiers needed God.
            You yourself begin to understand (realize) stupidity
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            .when the Arabs during military service ... drop everything and begin to pray ... it is no good.

            We are not Arabs! And how Arabs fight everyone knows
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 27 December 2018 07: 47
              +21
              Sorry Alexander smile for Roman ... I'm in a hurry for a herd of thoughts.
              In 988, Prince Vladimir (the official Baptist of Rus), in order to strengthen his power, which was shaken at that time, over heavily oppressed conquered tribes, fire, sword and great blood, forced the Slavs subject to them to abandon their original gods, symbolizing ancient Slavic ancestors, and accept faith in the God of a strange people.

              That is, here the church was used for their own purposes to strengthen the central authority from above, not counting the customs from below.
              It is also happening to some extent now.
              Since the Minister of Defense himself goes to church, why not voluntarily forcibly send the rest to the church.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 49
                -7
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Since the Minister of Defense himself goes to church, why don’t they voluntarily force others to send t

                It will not work, you can’t be forced to believe forcibly. And if you do this in an orderly manner, it will be worse. No one will give an order for compulsion.
                1. Pessimist22
                  Pessimist22 27 December 2018 08: 19
                  +14
                  For most of the inhabitants of RI, the church was obligatory, but for the ridicule and criticism of the article were, and yes, you want to believe it, you do not want to send it to hard labor, all at will.
                2. aglet
                  aglet 29 December 2018 20: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  It will not work, you can’t be forced to believe forcibly.

                  but no one will believe, but they will be obliged to walk. and without order, simply, at the request of, or a hint, at the request of the commander
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 27 December 2018 08: 52
                +1
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Since the Minister of Defense himself goes to church, why don’t they voluntarily forcibly send the rest to the church?

                laughing When the company was forcibly voluntarily driven to the lecture of the political commander on the Marxist-Leninist approach to the fulfillment of combat training tasks - was this normal? When the deputy politician, to put a tick to himself, held a party-Komsomol meeting during the exercises, is this also normal? Well, yes, the temple is not Leninist !!!!
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 27 December 2018 08: 46
            -4
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            A direct example ... when the Arabs during military service ... drop everything and start to pray ... it’s no good.

            laughing Aleksey, don't make a fuss! Moreover, do not compare Russian soldiers with Arabs!
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 27 December 2018 08: 50
              +13
              Aleksey, don't make a fuss! Moreover, do not compare Russian soldiers with Arabs!

              Well, you are just an example and not a comparison. hi
              The qualities of our ordinary soldier and junior command staff were fully manifested in the two Chechen wars ... here I was convinced that our guys are able to fight even in conditions of betrayal to the end .. a very sore subject for me.
              Yes, and in Syria, ordinary commandos and flyers showed themselves excellently ... I'm proud that they are my compatriots.
        3. victor50
          victor50 27 December 2018 10: 49
          +12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Do not want to, nobody drags you personally to the temple. Fuck you

          What a soulful, I would say, magnificent speech of the defender of the FAITH! recourse
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 December 2018 19: 42
            +9
            Quote: victor50
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do not want to, nobody drags you personally to the temple. Fuck you

            What a soulful, I would say, magnificent speech of the defender of the FAITH! recourse

            But he does not know how otherwise; rudeness is considered a normal occurrence. People here are signed by adult names - Sergey, Igor, Vitaliy. And he is Sanya. As was Sanka in childhood, and remained.
        4. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 28 December 2018 11: 21
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you sick of the fact that a soldier went to church? Do not want to, nobody drags you personally to the temple.
          Yes, everything is simple - a person has not been in the line of fire, hence, hate God; he somewhat forgot or does not know the old adage that "there are no atheists under powerful shelling in the trenches."
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 27 December 2018 08: 43
      -1
      Quote: passerby
      The soldier must endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service (c)

      And where now to find such a soldier? The soldier has a loving mommy and daddy (on occasion scribbling in nete about hardships and hardships), so these mommy and daddy as soon as the little smsochka about hardships and hardships have come away, at once they cut the wing commander!
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 27 December 2018 05: 49
    +4
    God will help laughing
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 27 December 2018 08: 53
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      God will help laughing

      You are unlikely!
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 27 December 2018 08: 57
        +5
        I don’t need it, the army will help, the collective prayer will be read and overthrown by the adversary laughing
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 December 2018 19: 45
          +7
          Quote: Pessimist22
          I don’t need it, the army will help, the collective prayer will be read and overthrown by the adversary laughing

          In addition to collective prayer, it would be good to go on the attack for Armata, covered from the air by the Su-57. And then it will come out as in the Crimean War - For God, the king and middle name, guys, with smooth-bore against the fittings, go! Someone run.
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      1. Russia
        Russia 27 December 2018 07: 15
        -2
        I agree with this approach to faith and we will not go far from Svidomo. And the descendants in the future will only be grateful to us for this temple and no one will have a question by then what, how. hi
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 December 2018 19: 47
          +7
          Quote: Rusland
          And the descendants in the future will only be grateful to us for this temple

          With such an attitude to science, industry, education, as in modern Russia, one would live to see these grandchildren.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 27 December 2018 07: 19
        +16
        Worse when her turns out from Russian churches
        And in my opinion it’s worse when demolished. schools, hospitals.
        And what do you understand in temples? This remake can conditionally be called a temple. For all your canons
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 25
          -16
          Quote: Gardamir
          And what do you understand in temples? This remake can conditionally be called a temple. For all your canons

          The temple specialist said, from the sight of which he turns it inside out.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 27 December 2018 07: 29
            +17
            temple specialist
            maybe not a specialist. But this temple in my town, even under communists, performed services.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 30
              -21
              Quote: Gardamir
              But this temple in my town, even under communists, performed services.

              Soon you’ll run to the temple yourself.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 27 December 2018 07: 31
                +21
                Soon you’ll run to the temple yourself.
                When there is nothing to say, a smooth transition to rudeness.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 34
                  -10
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  When there is nothing to say, a smooth transition to rudeness.

                  Well, if you saw rudeness in this, then you are just sorry, as a person. And you will run to the temple, without a doubt, each has his own time.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 27 December 2018 11: 24
                    -12
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And you will run to the temple, without a doubt, each has his own time.

                    He’ll run, but he won’t tell anyone about it! But as he gets rid of his ass, he completely forgets about it.
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 27 December 2018 14: 17
                      +11
                      Such
                      We have a different view of the environment, but it turns out I'm right if you can only be rude. I don’t get personal.
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 27 December 2018 16: 00
                        -6
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        I don’t get personal.

                        Sorry if I offended you, I didn’t want to.
            2. BAI
              BAI 27 December 2018 10: 12
              +4
              And in the cellars of this temple (in the underground temple) - they shot. Traces of bullets still remain. What's next?
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 15
      +6
      Do you yourself often visit the temple?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 23
        -13
        Quote: Old Tankman

        Do you yourself often visit the temple?

        I hear this question so often. Are you trying to excuse yourself by the fact that someone rarely goes to the temple?


        Although some "our" themselves are not averse to helping Brzezinski in this
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 43
          +15
          Can I have a specific page, publisher and year of publication?
          Here in front of me is this book of books Moscow edition of International Relations 2010. Well, I don’t find such a quote.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 08: 00
            -18
            Quote: Old Tankman

            Can I have a specific page, publisher and year of publication?

            There is a link to youtu for you. Get on a par with them in the fight against the Russian Church. There is a desire?
            1. Halado Romane
              Halado Romane 27 December 2018 20: 07
              -4
              Alexander, they have long been on a par with Brzezinski, and so!
  7. Nehist
    Nehist 27 December 2018 05: 54
    +49
    Actually. Insanity at the top grows stronger. On our island, people were also against building a temple on Victory Square ... And the results? It’s worth as cute. By the way, how are things going with the landing churches? Isn't it time to introduce descentable mosques and synagogues to the state of the armed forces? !! Well, the heathens immediately grove with idols and priests !!! The church has direct funding from the budget, this is no secret ... Gentlemen, comrades !!! Officers and warrant officer! Petty officers and sergeant! Soldiers and sailors !!! Let us recall the science of walking on the machine and beat the adversary !!! (sarcasm) But seriously, I repeat again !!! Not a large number of divisions that really have modernized equipment and prepared L / C for the states of the weather will not do. And the cries of the mighty Daggers, advanced Poseidons and oh my God I will tell sedition Caliber !!! This is all about nothing !!! Here the Warriors have still not been provided with all ... The main technique is the end of 90 beginning of 2000 !!! I don’t talk about the fleet !!! (By the way, is there still not going to build the main temple of the Navy somewhere in the Crimea?) It’s sad all this ... I know now comrades will come and cheer on minus !!! Yours faithfully hi
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 06: 11
      -3
      Tomb of the Admirals or Vladimir Cathedral. Sevastopol Also built on donations.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 27 December 2018 06: 23
        +18
        And if you still remember how much was stolen during the construction of these temples and tombs ... I am not against the temples! But why blow it with fanfare? As they say, God is in us and you can communicate with him without a temple (synagogues, mosques, pagodas, shrines, etc.). I see the meaning of this building in only one thing !!! - Vanity of Mr. Shoigu! (Who only appropriated the army general to him?) His ceiling was deputy on the rear !!! A good organizer, as the Minister of Defense is not bad, but why drag religion into the affairs of Moscow Region and put it on display?
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 06: 29
          -9
          in 2011 at Moscow State University there were Christmas educational readings on that topic. a public opinion poll was specifically made for them. and so, according to its results, among the military the number of believers grew by about 5 percent a year. at that time, 3/4 of those surveyed were sampled in all districts and fleets. then draw your own conclusions. I can give you an example if you want. I personally drove many to be baptized in the Nevsky Temple. asked for yourself.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 19
            +17
            Oh how! Among the population of the country, the percentage of believers is not growing, but among the warriors so leaps and bounds! Doesn't it seem strange?
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 07: 25
              -10
              no. It does not seem. Yes, and with the population I have a different opinion. Among my friends it is growing. This is not statistics of course. just watching around you.
            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 27 December 2018 14: 57
              +7
              This is just another nonsense flew into the head of the Minister of Defense and he undertook to implement it. There is nothing to explain this, moreover, I think that the complete nonsense is that the temple is being built on voluntary donations. The temple is being built for budget money, that's for sure, I admit that there are donations, but there are only a small amount of them.
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 17: 30
                -7
                Well, then your speculation. no more. and do not fool it. and 100 and 200 years ago they built churches for donations to the glory of Russian weapons. as an example the Cathedral of Christ the Savior
                1. Alf
                  Alf 27 December 2018 19: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: Bull Terrier
                  as an example the Cathedral of Christ the Savior

                  The decision to create the first church in honor of the victory in the Patriotic War of 1812 was made immediately by Emperor Alexander I, the laying of the church in the name of Christ the Savior according to the project of the artist Karl Vitberg took place on October 12, 1817

                  There is a difference. The Cathedral of Christ the Savior was built AFTER WAR, and not in the pre-war period, when every penny is dear.
                  1. Bull Terrier
                    Bull Terrier 27 December 2018 20: 28
                    -6
                    perhaps right now it is important from a historical point of view. people began to forget the heroes of their land. all the same, apart from the temple itself, there will be a multimedia museum complex dedicated to the history of the Russian army. including modern time. will become a place of attraction for modern youth. who decided to serve the country. from the point of view of PR it is quite reasonable. Well, I do not like this let's take St. Nicholas Cathedral for example, take in St. Petersburg.
                    1. victor50
                      victor50 28 December 2018 09: 09
                      +4
                      Quote: Bull Terrier
                      Now it is important from a historical point of view. people began to forget the heroes of their land

                      Faith and religion (the church) have never been identified. But he noticed in the 90s and zero there was a fashion for the church. The bandits went there regularly (it seems, before and after each crime), donated money, the priests went to jail, in beautiful words hiding, that everyone can turn to God through them, but they didn’t go to other prisoners who donated to the church It was all disgusting. I watched the pictures: the priest of the church, not far from home, traveled with a guard on the 600th Merc (it’s already in the zero. I met people who, through a word, referred to God, regularly visited the church, lied and impersonated right there, in situations which, I thought, only in bad novels are possible. So faith is one thing, then all believers have their own, very personal relationships, which are not mentioned especially, and religion, church, faith is the most successful a business project in the history of mankind: here, here I would like to ask the ardent and rude (?!) defenders of Orthodoxy how many of them even looked into the Bible?
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 28 December 2018 20: 15
                        0
                        Quote: victor50
                        Here, I would like to ask the ardent and boorish (?!) sometimes defenders of Orthodoxy how many of them even looked into the Bible?

                        Well done, Victor! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
          2. Pushkar
            Pushkar 27 December 2018 17: 25
            +4
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            I personally drove many to be baptized in the Nevsky Temple. asked for yourself.
            Do not remember yourself young? All the same, it’s the entertainment of a soldier, before that they drove to dances for this.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 07
          -13
          Quote: Nehist

          And if you still remember how much was stolen during the construction of these temples and tombs ..

          What amount do you want?
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 27 December 2018 09: 14
          -6
          Quote: Nehist
          And if you recall how much was stolen during the construction of these temples and tombs

          How many? Remember please?
          And remember how much was stolen during the closure and destruction of these temples!
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 December 2018 06: 41
      +14
      Quote: Nehist
      Sadly all this ...

      How many fought about the temple on Victory Square? And still stuck!
      Quote: Nehist
      mosques and synagogues

      Forgot about the datsans !!! hi
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 27 December 2018 06: 52
        +11
        So I wrote about him ... And the rallies and petitions were filed and the voting was held ... They put one devil (((
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 27 December 2018 07: 14
          +7
          Quote: Nehist
          One devil set (((

          But now they are proud! And it was built by the rabbis and jamshuds ....
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 27 December 2018 07: 22
            +14
            You will not believe me, no matter who built it. The fact is that he is out of place! Well, they would have built it higher, beyond Orbit, I would not have been indignant. Initially, in general, instead of 34 they wanted to put it and remove the guns. The fact that the authorities and priests do not shine with the opinion of the Norod anyway sooner or later will come to their side. Have you got a gun on the pass yet? And then suddenly, and there they decide to make a chapel. And what a beautiful place and an occasion as if there is ...
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 27 December 2018 07: 33
              +6
              Quote: Nehist
              gun still not demolished?

              The gun is still standing! But below, near the landfill, a cross was erected! What for ?
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 27 December 2018 07: 43
                +13
                Apparently at the landfill, the relics of the saints are buried !!! Damned komunyaki brought to the execution of the lamb of God and threw off in decay and from the top 50 years covered with rubbish (sarcasm) You see, the chapel will soon be built, there is just a substitution of concepts. It’s like Rezun, in his Icebreaker he uses genuine documents! But here's how he presents them ... As they say, the glass is half full or the glass is half empty ???
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 27 December 2018 08: 03
                  +6
                  People say: They put an end to Kholmsk ......
                2. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 27 December 2018 14: 01
                  +5
                  Quote: Nehist
                  a chapel will be built soon

                  Our church has occupied the October cinema!
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 27 December 2018 09: 12
      -4
      Quote: Nehist
      By the way, is the main naval temple there somewhere in the Crimea still not going to be built?

      For those who are especially suffering, like you, the main temple of the Navy is located in Kronstadt, built (well, it must be) with voluntary donations! Active participation in the creation of St. Nicholas Cathedral was taken by Admiral Makarov, and Nars of the Red Army Muklevich took part in the sacking of the temple. Plates with the names and surnames of all sailors and officers heroically killed for their homeland were partly broken, partly put on the steps!
    4. domokl
      domokl 27 December 2018 09: 20
      +12
      So almost landing churches and mosques already exist. Last year at Rembath I personally saw both the Orthodox Church and the Muslim mosque. True in army tents. But there were. And the priest with the mullah were from the officers, judging by the anniversary medals on a cassock and dressing gown.
      Someone went inside, someone, as I walked by. To each his own.
      But for those who entered these temples, this was for some reason needed. So so be it.
      After returning from business trips, we always went to the graves of Oslyaby and Peresvet in Moscow. In a completely small temple on the territory of the Dynamo plant ... Muscovites did not know it all back then ...
      1. BAI
        BAI 27 December 2018 09: 49
        +4
        Well, all the same, not quite in the territory of the plant - in the Old Simon Monastery.

        Entrance to the Staro-Simonov Monastery at the end of a long narrow passage between the fences in the factory
  8. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 27 December 2018 06: 00
    +12
    I remembered the old slogan - we are all as one approving fellow It’s interesting, but in Chechnya or in Dagestan they are going to the Orthodox church, were they also recorded in the Orthodox believers, or is it just the prerogative of other areas?
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 27 December 2018 06: 06
      +25
      No, there Kadyrov will build the main mosque of Orthodox wars under the auspices of the Moscow Region! As he put it ... Allah gives him money (Allah already has GDP, soon they will make him Jesus with us, he has a lot of apostles)
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 December 2018 06: 37
        +12
        Quote: Nehist
        he has a lot of apostles)

        Renounce, the cock doesn’t even crow!
  9. A.
    A. 27 December 2018 06: 12
    -13
    Temples are needed no less than guns. The guns did not help the Roman and Byzantine empires, as everyone knows.
    A short memory, however, and for people like you, one god-womb, and you visit temples, but consumer churches, shopping and entertainment centers.
    But God does not scold.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 27 December 2018 06: 28
      +16
      Yes Yes!!! You are apparently a champion of the theory that the flesh may be weak but the spirit is cheerful !!! So I will answer you !!! In a healthy body healthy mind!!! And I do not live to eat! And I eat in order to live !!! Well, to you with such views in the monastery ... To kill the flesh and take care of spiritual health ... (not for nothing are blessed in Russia and they called those who are now diagnosed by psychiatrists)
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 07: 10
      -12
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      But God does not scold.

      You can’t explain this for the time being. But how what happens in life, so immediately, Lord, why, Lord help
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 27 December 2018 17: 32
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Anatolyevich
        But God does not scold.

        You can’t explain this for the time being. But how what happens in life, so immediately, Lord, why, Lord help
        I don’t understand, are you asking gentlemen or gentlemen for your opponents?
    3. Li17
      Li17 27 December 2018 07: 44
      +9
      Well, of course you are the original! A short memory as I see this something, this is how it is necessary to turn everything out about the Roman and Byzantine! You would still remember the Russian-Japanese, or the first Chechen with an airborne regiment (of course, Orthodox)! By the way, the Bible is very clear about everything, including such "patriotic messages."
    4. BAI
      BAI 27 December 2018 09: 43
      +8
      The guns did not help the Roman and Byzantine empires, as everyone knows.

      Did faith help? Rome fell under the blows of the Gentiles, Byzantium - under the blows of the Crusaders (the Turks had just finished off the recumbent).
    5. Alf
      Alf 27 December 2018 19: 59
      +6
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      But God does not scold.

      God is not in the church, God is in the soul. A believer prays within himself, but for an unbeliever, build at least ten churches. After the 91st, all of us suddenly became believers, probably after the counter-revolution they suddenly saw the light. I heard several times from the old ones at the sight of Putin-Medvedevs holding candles-"candlestick".
    6. albert
      albert 27 December 2018 22: 43
      +3
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      The guns did not help the Roman and Byzantine empires, as everyone knows.

      And what were the guns in the Roman Empire ?! belay belay
    7. victor50
      victor50 28 December 2018 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      The guns did not help the Roman and Byzantine empires, as everyone knows

      Temples too, alas.
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      A short memory, however, and for people like you, one god-womb, and you visit temples, but temples of consumption, shopping and entertainment centers

      There are many chronicles over many years, where representatives of our government in churches stay on Orthodox holidays. The question arose, if you look at this chronicle, how many of these believers have been accused of embezzlement and other crimes afterwards? Serdyukov must have prayed ... not far from the patriarch.
  10. Mih1974
    Mih1974 27 December 2018 06: 17
    +8
    I personally and to some extent have never been "in the trenches", but everyone I heard spoke on this topic "atheists do not exist in war."
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 27 December 2018 06: 23
      +1
      I personally and to some extent have never been "in the trenches", but everyone I heard spoke on this topic "atheists do not exist in war."

      In life, a lot of cases without war occur after which you will inevitably believe in God.
      And I was once a convinced Komsomol atheist ... smile scoop so to speak ... and now with age I understand how little atheists know about the world around them.
      The horizons of atheists are fixated on material things and absolutely zero in intangible ones.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 24
        +6
        And what is your horizons fixated on? On faith in God?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 27 December 2018 07: 39
          +9
          As correctly said
          Nehist (Alexander)
          hope in God below and do not squander.
          There are moments in a person’s life when he has nowhere to turn to and no one to turn to ... when it seems that everything is lost and life is over ... here in the soul you need to have support on your moral strength ... and what happens in the soul man and most importantly why you can’t describe and understand any matter.
      2. stalki
        stalki 27 December 2018 10: 34
        +4
        The horizons of atheists are fixated on material things and absolutely zero in intangible ones.
        I deliberately read again and again all the comments under this bilious article to the end, I want to make sure of the volume of stupid obstinacy and poison that is growing every year. The wedge is thoroughly hammered into society and many do not notice it at all. I am actually an atheist, and a thorough one. But with all my "zero outlook" I understand absolutely clearly that without faith Russia will not go far. My grandfather went through the war, did not believe in God, but when my grandmother died, he went to light candles, what is it? This is not to say that everyone ran to urgently believe in God and build temples, but that faith is necessary for those who cannot cope on their own, especially in the army and not only. Even according to your "zero" atheist I understand the inner strength of a person when he has something to believe in. We do not have leaders worthy of Stalin and are not expected, there are no tsars, there is no idea, and they decided to finish off the last pillar of the church, no matter what means. The article is one of these methods. In Russia, in truth, 2 troubles are fools and roads. hi
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 27 December 2018 10: 46
          +4
          I am actually an atheist, and a thorough one. But with all my "zero outlook" I understand absolutely clearly that without faith Russia will not go far.

          Well, here you are offended ... I'm not against the fact that you are an atheist and convinced of the same ... why did you decide that Russia without faith would suddenly not go far?
          Will leave also as if with a great desire.
          Remember the breakthrough of the country of the Soviets in industrialization in the 30s of the last century ... the paradox would seem to have blown up and destroyed temples ... the complete domination of atheists and no Faith in God, and yet the country has achieved the elimination of illiteracy, the electrification of the whole country, a general economic recovery the country was there ... but the damned war destroyed everything and again and again we had to be reborn like a phoenix from the ashes.
          We do not have and are not foreseeing leaders worthy of Stalin, there are no kings, there is no idea and we decided to finish off the last support of the church, no matter by what means.

          You saw how our rulers go to church and pray ... I look at all this and cannot help feeling that it’s all duplicity ... a person prays to God but doesn’t really believe in him in his soul.
          1. stalki
            stalki 27 December 2018 10: 57
            +5
            You saw how our rulers go to church and pray ... I look at all this and cannot help feeling that it’s all duplicity ... a person prays to God but doesn’t really believe in him in his soul.
            And I saw how ordinary people go to church, and soldiers too. And to me, before our BB prays, the people are more important, the spirit of the people is more important. At the expense of the jerk, give an alternative to look at the faith and the church in a secondary way. There is no alternative yet, there is none. Young people are mired in vices and we are to blame for this, we no longer believe in anything. The hardest times are coming, and we destroy ourselves from the inside.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 27 December 2018 11: 03
              +5
              There is no alternative yet, there is none. Young people are mired in vices and we are to blame for this, we no longer believe in anything. The hardest times are coming, and we destroy ourselves from the inside.

              You are right ... next year will not be easier than that ... well, let's look together for what unites us in spite of differences in faith, position and other nuances.
              Our people exist, children run in schools in droves ... smile (head popping from them sometimes) means we have a future.
              We survived the restructuring of Gorbachev, the rule of Yeltsin was a much worse time than now ... and no matter what I believe in the vitality of my people.
              1. stalki
                stalki 27 December 2018 11: 08
                +2
                and no matter what, I believe in the vitality of my people.
                I believe too drinks This is probably why where I can "resist", where I can "step on", and where I can’t I can only believe in something.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 27 December 2018 11: 37
          +4
          My father, was a "hardened" communist, stubborn to the bone marrow and ideological, was very proud of his involvement in the Party, but during the "period of stagnation" I was transported as a baby thousands of kilometers from the place where they lived and BAPTIZED belay repeat . And then they laughed many times over how it was (well, there really is a lot of funny things) and then I began to notice that when leaving home (more than for work) he baptized the door three times !! belay He was a simple worker, he didn’t join the party for a career or a position of boss, but that didn’t stop him from being a very religious person, otherwise he would not risk it (baptize his son).
          Why did I write that religion is very important in the Army, I had good friends who killed enemies in the service (absolutely by right or by law, everything is okay, not some mercenaries), even those of them who were 100% optimists in life and jokers, laughingly told terrible stories from the service (when they almost disappeared to God themselves), and so even they sometimes started conversations (which means they were completely worn out) on the topic "is it not a sin that I killed a man then!" Think about it, these are NOT broken people, NOT drowning their grief in a horseshoe, but very cheerful and sociable, but sometimes they were even covered. Someone will say - it is not a priest who is needed here, but a psychiatrist. But to this I will answer - as soon as someone after the murder of another person is helped not by a priest, but by a psychiatrist, then this person and the psychiatrist and the Country are subject to immediate destruction, for this is "the refuge of Satan, for if not by faith in God, but by something base, Murder , all these are no longer people - they are Murderers and they need to be destroyed as soon as possible (from self-preservation).
          1. dauria
            dauria 27 December 2018 15: 44
            +6
            otherwise he would not risk it (baptize his son)


            There was no risk in this, don't be fancy. Himself, being an officer, he baptized his own in 83rd and 87th. As far as I remember - 5 rubles. Everyone baptized. For a simple reason, it's a tradition. Many had elderly believing relatives, it seems like it is impossible for them to pray for the unbaptized. I've baptized so that the grandmother would calm down. Probably the best church time is the 70s-80s. The church did not spread rot, and did not spoil. And even the "atheists" had some respect for the priests. "Atheist" in quotes, because there are practically no such people.
            Or they have other ways to protect the psyche, or there were no situations on the verge of madness.
            The church is needed, do not argue. There are no substitutes for her yet. Vodka, psychotherapists are even worse. Only that PR that is now building churches, destroying the church and faith.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 27 December 2018 06: 34
      +13
      You can believe in anything !!! And in the trenches the main commandment Hope for God and do not blame yourself ... Otherwise ... There simply must be at least something or something to believe, otherwise the roof will blow ...
    3. Old tanker
      Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 23
      +11
      And I have been more than once. Turn happens and quite a lot.
      1. domokl
        domokl 27 December 2018 09: 26
        +8
        Wow ... But that is also faith. It’s just that God is called differently in it .. Good luck, arrogance, training ... Yes, in different ways. Just then, when it’s hard to light up because the jerk is difficult to explain why the last one didn’t get from such a distance ...
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 27 December 2018 11: 44
          +5
          I read the description of the heroic battle of the armored train guard commander in Chechen (if they are not lying) there was a kneading and the commander "on the field" was like a Berserker from an ambush (of course) hit him with a sniper, hooked him several times (and strongly) and he did not see where he shot from the grenade launcher offhand, on the run covered his tunic into the tunic belay Then a long hospital and rewarding, but this moment I can only explain by Faith.
          Or there was a video where the engineering group was walking along the route and a 152 mm land mine was blown up near the first at a distance of 5 meters, when the dust settled - not a scratch on it, he himself changed his face to the cameras passing by the funnel (not horror, but surprisingly) said " I understand that from me small pieces should have remained and scattered hundreds of meters, but here in this. " belay
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 December 2018 06: 20
    +9
    Since at least 2014 it's time to measure the budget for the T-90 and Calibers. An absolutely absurd course towards an inappropriate "flash mob" in every area.
    Once upon a time it was heard from the President about the sanctity of quiet old churches. ... And now the course is on "megafaberge".
  12. Brigadier
    Brigadier 27 December 2018 06: 23
    +22
    Everything is right! Why do we need tanks, guns, machine guns and any new weapons?
    The main thing is that there should be as many churches, icons, candles, monks and, of course, solvent parishioners as possible. And then no enemy is afraid of us.
    If the enemy attacks us, we will come out to meet him with icons and chants.
    The enemy will get scared and run away! The danger is eliminated, the people and Putin celebrate victory ...

    And with this new Alabinovsky temple of the sun, we will be invincible at all !!! wassat
    Putin's pension reform and a large number of churches will save Russia! wassat
  13. Snail N9
    Snail N9 27 December 2018 06: 26
    +5
    How "the church is not necessary"? And "fasteners", how to "strengthen" "fasteners"? wink
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 27 December 2018 06: 29
    +20
    “So that every square meter of the temple is symbolic, for this we will cast the steps of the temple from captured German technology”,
    ... It was very symbolic and relevant, if the steps of the temple were cast from American Abrams ... But where to get them ... Yes, and the "partners" will be offended ... And the floors will be laid with tiles from captured Swedish, Turkish, French guns .. ? .. Hang on to the museums and you will probably get dirty ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 27 December 2018 07: 02
      +5
      Yes, from what to cast, it would always be found, the main idea is to correctly designate .... among the veterans, too, a lot of things would be found if they fell off!
  15. rayruav
    rayruav 27 December 2018 06: 37
    +13
    it’s enough to see what assistants the Minister of Defense is working on, they showed us one thing at a time, if such believers would be better to keep the commandments instead of showing off
  16. Moore
    Moore 27 December 2018 06: 55
    +21
    “Suddenly” nearly two billion fallen is not the product of “dumping by the whole world.” This is quite normal, so the amount collapsed overnight on a beautiful toy. Where the third question comes from, and it’s not very important, if only not from the budget of the War Ministry. If there is sadness from there, there is no - I do not care, for example, from where Shoigu dug them.
    But I am sure that this is a budget.

    Let's just say this: initially, naturally, a budget. But they are trying to close the hole in it from the DD fund. According to the stories that continue to serve today, this year the prize has been substantially cut - this is such a floating money deed, which the commander as he wanted before, and gifted his subordinates. A company officer, for example, could get a hundred or so tyr at the end of the year, if he didn’t drive a bull to his superiors, he didn’t have any flights, he didn’t go to the courts - he behaved approximately, in short. Well, the level of the castle commander could well count on half a lyama. This year, they explained to the majority that the spirit should soar above the worldly essence.
    Well, I agree once again with Roman (more and more often, you know ...) - our Moscow Region played in noisy projects.
    I already wrote that as a result of the construction of the new Strategic Missile Forces Academy (with a hockey stadium - how can one do without it now?), Some missile regiments still hold equipment in the open air - no RPMs have been built.
    And soon the naval forces will receive a similar "gift" - the transfer of everything naval from St. Petersburg to Kronstadt - for a trifle of 100 yards ...
    And yes, is it time to change the style of hats for female military personnel? And then it’s just that they replaced the employees of the RA this year - the omission is brewing, you know ...
  17. Conductor
    Conductor 27 December 2018 06: 56
    +18
    Shoigu our Kuropatkin? And how does the Kuropatkin command end? PD drowned and do not lift, an aircraft carrier with a crane on board. And here is a temple for 6000 thousand, for the entire Aratsky district chtoli?
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 27 December 2018 07: 16
      -11
      Quote: Conductor
      6000 thousand temple

      Six thousand thousand is six million. There are no such temples.

      Quote: Conductor
      aratsky district

      Yeah. Ararat.

      This together is called "raised, but to wake up - forgotten."
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 27 December 2018 07: 51
        +12
        ok, why is the temple for 6000 people in the entire Arbat district? Arranged?
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 27 December 2018 09: 48
          0
          Quote: Conductor
          Will arrange?

          Already better. With awakening wink

          Quote: Conductor
          why a temple for 6000 people, for the entire Arbat district?

          "Arbat District" will be far from Taman, don't you think? And for some reason, not to me, then to great leadership ... and I, although baptized, are not a frequent guest in churches request
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 27 December 2018 06: 56
    0
    For life and existence, we need not only machine guns with tanks .....
    We must think about the soul!
    I don’t seem religious, I relate to worshipers from the word NEVER! But there are those to whom this is all faith and peace! Let them, let them.
    Yes, throwing the top authorities, back and forth it's d-d-d-bad! So we have chosen, then we have or vice versa, now and always !!! It was necessary to think earlier.
  19. Login_Off
    Login_Off 27 December 2018 07: 04
    +12
    Personally, this temple, with the remelting of weapons, putting up trophies for display, resembles a sacrificial altar!


    Do not mix the temple and the museum.
  20. Old tanker
    Old tanker 27 December 2018 07: 07
    +6
    Well why not with the world on a thread.
    For each warrior, they voluntarily forced at least one thousand rubles. And the rest is the subject for research.
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    1. Conductor
      Conductor 27 December 2018 07: 20
      +15
      You do not confuse the army and the Minister of Defense. The army is one thing, but the ministers we have are stools, but they didn’t serve in the army
      1. stalki
        stalki 27 December 2018 08: 33
        -5
        You do not confuse the army and the Minister of Defense
        It is not necessary to divide, it is not appropriate. Found the "guilty".
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 27 December 2018 09: 16
          +9
          The army will manage without the Minister of Defense, the General Staff is, but the Minister of Defense without the army is nonsense, but with a temple and priests)))))))
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 27 December 2018 09: 27
        0
        Quote: Conductor
        and the ministers we have are stools, but they didn’t serve in the army

        Before Serdyukov and Shoigu there were 6 .. SIX Karl "military" ministers - what is the result?
        I wanted to ask for a long time, why did you and Alma Ata escape?
        1. Moore
          Moore 27 December 2018 11: 33
          +9
          Quote: Serg65
          Before Serdyukov and Shoigu there were 6 .. SIX Karl "military" ministers - what is the result?

          There was also S. Ivanov - a military man in the ass.
          And the essence of the result is that if you put, for example, Kirkorov at the head of the Moscow Region, but open up unprecedented financing compared to the end of the 90s and the beginning of zero, the result will be about the same as that of Kuzhugetich - the cut will be only differ.
          Because the foundations of military construction are set by the General Staff, which bears the main burden of responsibility for everything.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 December 2018 12: 28
            -1
            Quote: Moore
            if, for example, Kirkorov is put at the head of the Moscow Region

            Quote: Moore
            the basis of military development is set by the General Staff,

            Honestly, I did not understand your promise, i.e. at the head of the Ministry of Defense, at least put a grandmother with a kocharga, there’s no difference! The main thing is GSH! Then what is the conversation about in the article?
            Quote: Moore
            tailoring will only differ.

            what Here is my personal opinion .... the marshals and generals of the 90s, being ministers, like the military who passed the Crimea and the Rym from liteha to big stars, could steal less, and take more care of their army and funding has nothing to do with it ..... even half of the money that they grabbed from the reduction of the army and navy completely ensured a more or less normal existence of the Armed Forces! For example, the money that the Acting Head of the Central Department of Central Management and the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the real Colonel Viktor Vladimirovich Baskov, invested in promoting the "voice of Russia" of his son Kolenka would be enough for a five-year comfortable existence of a motorized rifle division!
            Quote: Moore
            The General Staff, carrying the main burden of responsibility for everything.

            Then the great Leninist Ustinov smashed his General Staff to pieces, probably so that the burden of responsibility would not be taken away from the old man laughing
  22. solovald
    solovald 27 December 2018 07: 12
    +13
    Falsehood and hypocrisy ... we will defend ourselves against the heaps with prayers and brush off the sprinkles.
  23. 3vs
    3vs 27 December 2018 07: 13
    +12
    Why be surprised, someone always has something in construction.
    You look at someone's new house or a typewriter will appear ...

    “But he was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God came, he answered them: the kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: here it is, or: here, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you ”(Luke 17: 20-21).
    And we hit the construction of temples ...
  24. Fungus
    Fungus 27 December 2018 07: 18
    -19
    The clergy in the army need. It has always been for centuries. So a temple is needed.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 27 December 2018 07: 58
      +8
      A temple is not needed in the park, albeit a military-patriotic one, but essentially entertaining, next to large parts. if necessary, there are a lot of temples right now and they can feed their flock without Shoigu and his Super Temple.
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      1. Cryvedco
        Cryvedco 27 December 2018 13: 15
        +5
        Well, Russia is not so 1000 years old, but it will be more. So who doesn’t have a decree for centuries, draw conclusions ...
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          1. Cryvedco
            Cryvedco 27 December 2018 13: 27
            +1
            Someone that hurts, however ... Well, nothing happens.
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              1. Cryvedco
                Cryvedco 27 December 2018 13: 44
                +3
                You should know better, they wrote about Ramses, but I didn’t even know that there was a batch with them too. Okay, I think it's not scary - it's never too late to learn.
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                  1. Cryvedco
                    Cryvedco 27 December 2018 16: 14
                    +4
                    You? Well, congratulations! We will not touch the Chinese, why did the Egyptians not please you? Are you Jewish? And why then do you need the banners of the Slavic gods? You can’t remove the gesheft from them - now in the trend are crosses and icons.
    3. ruigat
      ruigat 27 December 2018 09: 17
      +6
      In the army, the clergy are not needed from the word AT ALL. We need deputy commanders of educational and political work units, but only in the absence of a normal ideology their functions are curtailed.
    4. kakvastam
      kakvastam 27 December 2018 10: 59
      +9
      Quote: Fungus
      The clergy in the army need

      It depends on what clergy. If one of those priests who rebuild in the remote villages of the church with their own hands, then of course. But Moscow tax collectors are better off and close.
  25. free
    free 27 December 2018 07: 26
    +16
    Because the church is re-forming as a pillar of autocracy.
  26. bober1982
    bober1982 27 December 2018 07: 49
    -8
    Judas also resented seeing the costly world pouring onto the head of the Savior
    That's the whole point of this article.
  27. Boris55
    Boris55 27 December 2018 08: 23
    -13
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Why do we need icons instead of guns?

    By title. An incorrect message at the beginning leads to incorrect conclusions at the end.
    Everyone knows my attitude to the church and yet:

    To the question: “Why do we need icons instead of cannons?” I answer briefly - so that the cannons shoot where they need to be.

    The question, in principle, is posed incorrectly. You are trying to level and contrast different management priorities. It doesn’t happen anywhere or when. Lower control priorities (guns) are always subordinate to higher ones (icons). Let me remind you that a hybrid war is a war on all six management priorities, so we need guns and icons - icons (the spirit of a soldier) are more important.

    1. ruigat
      ruigat 27 December 2018 08: 56
      +13
      To the question: “Why do we need icons instead of cannons?” I answer briefly - so that the cannons shoot where they need to be.

      Contradict yourself with your post. And what is the connection between the icons and the Dag, who are like Muslims, or Buryats, who are like Buddhists? In practice, it turns out miserably. A priest arrives at military unit No. XZ and the superiors in front of the formation say: "Disperse, Orthodox Christians in one line on the right flank, all the rest in a column of three on the left flank, stand up." And the priest begins to sprinkle the "Orthodox" with "holy water" from the tap, and more than half of the l / s stands aside and makes fun of them. So much for the rallying of the military collective, and at the same time the shooting of guns where necessary.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 December 2018 09: 02
        -10
        Quote: ruigat
        everyone else in a column of three on the left flank, become

        It would be interesting to see how you put three people in a column of three. laughing

        This is a minority in the West that controls the majority, but, thank God, it has not yet come to this, and I hope it will not.
        1. ruigat
          ruigat 27 December 2018 09: 10
          +8
          This is a minority in the West that controls the majority, but, thank God, it has not yet come to this, and I hope it will not.

          Yah? And where have you been the last 30 years? Long gone.
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  28. ruigat
    ruigat 27 December 2018 08: 39
    +8
    Probably the oligarchy of the Russian Federation hopes that it will protect its icons and prayers from the PLA and the armies of the owners of the Fed and their slaves. But here I think that no garden plants. But the T-14 (15), Su-57, BRDZhK, can protect.
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    1. ruigat
      ruigat 27 December 2018 09: 12
      +2
      Well, Russians should live in Russian.

      Enlighten please, how is it?
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        1. ruigat
          ruigat 27 December 2018 09: 24
          +4
          It’s clear how to walk in a swirl, dance to a squat, hold fasts, go to church on holidays, honor parents and authorities, sow rye and sing mournful folk songs.

          Somehow miserable and boring you have to be Russian.
          Moving science, exploring space, winning sports, burning out fascist countries - these are worthy of a REAL RUSSIAN!
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            1. ruigat
              ruigat 27 December 2018 09: 37
              +7
              Among your traditions, you forgot to mention the use of methyl alcohol and cologne from a saucer. My relatives told me that collective farmers did this forever.

              Your relatives are clearly not Russian. What is methyl alcohol and saucer cologne? BIRCH JUICE from a can, here is OUR STANDARD!
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                1. ruigat
                  ruigat 27 December 2018 10: 14
                  +7
                  Have you ever seen a Soviet village shepherd alive?

                  I saw, and even managed to visit them for a short time. Moonshine did not drink, drank milk.
                  For Comrade Stalin, I drink only Armenian (Georgian) semi-sweet pomegranate wine and very rarely Armenian (Georgian) cognac!
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            2. Alf
              Alf 27 December 2018 20: 10
              +4
              Quote: Cunctator
              My relatives told me that collective farmers did this forever.

              And your relatives, who were on this collective farm?
              1. Dude
                Dude 28 December 2018 02: 25
                +3
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: Cunctator
                My relatives told me that collective farmers did this forever.

                And your relatives, who were on this collective farm?

                How is it by whom? Those same shepherdesses-alcoholics and were wassat
                Only it was not a collective farm, but (t-s-s !! wink ) ... kibbutz laughing !
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 27 December 2018 10: 54
      +6
      Quote: Cunctator
      each regiment had its own cathedral temples

      At that time, the church was state-owned, controlled by the emperor. Today we have a supposedly secular state, so the administration of religious cults is a private matter for everyone.
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        1. kakvastam
          kakvastam 27 December 2018 11: 08
          +6
          Quote: Cunctator
          I did not make him secular

          Clearly, democracy is the dictatorship of true democrats.
          Nevertheless, creeping nationalization of the church contrary to the current legislation does too much harm. Another thing is if people themselves wanted it.
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            1. kakvastam
              kakvastam 27 December 2018 11: 17
              +5
              Quote: Cunctator
              That's it.

              To do this, recognized moral authorities, not bureaucrats and functionaries, should be at the top of the church hierarchy. At the moment, grassroots levels are much more respected than managers.
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    3. Alf
      Alf 27 December 2018 20: 09
      +5
      Quote: Cunctator
      But it was the other way around - for 70 years, rotted to hell.

      Exactly, exactly. And the current government has rotted for some 30 years.
  30. prior
    prior 27 December 2018 08: 47
    +14
    My question is: Why only an Orthodox church? Where is the church? Where is the mosque? Where is the synagogue?
    And in light of recent events: why not rename this park to Shoigu Patriot Park?
    Hey, you up there! Do you really have nothing more to do ?!
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      1. BAI
        BAI 27 December 2018 09: 38
        +6
        We have a mono-ethnic state, where 80 percent are Russians. Most of these Russians consider themselves Orthodox. At least purely formally, but ranked.

        But the builders of the Orthodox church, synagogue and mosque on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow did not know this. And they built all three temples.
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          1. BAI
            BAI 27 December 2018 10: 22
            +2
            Mind against the synagogue and mosque on Poklonnaya Hill?
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    2. Conductor
      Conductor 27 December 2018 09: 19
      +2
      By the way, in Shoigu, who is on confessional grounds?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2018 10: 32
      -5
      No, this is for you and the author, the next lousy little article pulled over the ears, of one day - there is nothing to do.
  31. Black owerlord
    Black owerlord 27 December 2018 08: 57
    +11
    The Sonderkommando of the Khrustobuloshnikov landed in full commentary. It remains to add poklnskaya on the mare.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 27 December 2018 09: 20
      +3
      So are you for or against the Temple? or abstained?
      1. Black owerlord
        Black owerlord 27 December 2018 09: 40
        +5
        Clear stump that is against.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 27 December 2018 10: 56
          -3
          Quote: Black Owerlord
          Clear stump

          Why do you say this in tramp? Now they don’t say that, it causes suspicion.
          1. Black owerlord
            Black owerlord 4 January 2019 15: 56
            -1
            I’ll go buy a couple of French rolls, cry with champagne, "about Russia we have lost" ™, and change my mind.
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  32. Comrade Beria
    Comrade Beria 27 December 2018 09: 08
    -6
    You can break many copies on this subject, but there are no atheists in the trenches (s).
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 27 December 2018 09: 31
      +10
      My father, a participant in the war, 1922 of the year, oddly enough for today's lovers of the Russian Orthodox Church, was and remains an atheist until the end of his days.
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    2. NordUral
      NordUral 27 December 2018 11: 04
      +7
      Comrade Beria! Yes, most likely that everyone remembered in the trenches of God, even the most stubborn atheists. But this is personal - you, with your fears and hopes, and the Father. And the temples are not for God the Father, but for that priestly trash that does not hesitate to boast of wealth (this does not concern true servants to God). I myself am an atheist and it’s really wild for me to fan the church in the army. I think that it would be quite a modest chapel in parts where one who believes in God could ask him for advice.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 December 2018 21: 58
        -7
        If you are an atheist - then the construction of one temple, you should generally be on a drum.
  33. BAI
    BAI 27 December 2018 09: 08
    +15
    1.
    we will take the steps of the temple from captured German technology

    You have to be delirious to say that. A tiger costs millions of dollars and only a few have survived. The same can be said about the rest of the captured equipment. For example, as I understand it, in Russia there is not a single Yu-88 that does not even fly (with the exception of those that were not found in the swamps).
    2. Voluntary-compulsory donations - nothing new under the moon.
    In the early 2000s, the head of the garrison also built a church and also raised money for the garrison.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 27 December 2018 09: 14
      -5
      Quote: BAI
      Voluntary Forced Donations

      It will be reckoned therewhat to worry about here.
  34. Evil echo
    Evil echo 27 December 2018 09: 13
    +4
    Get fucked up ... I just say that the army should do its own thing ... fight ...
    "... there are no atheists in a trench under fire ..."
  35. tegezen
    tegezen 27 December 2018 09: 15
    -10
    The Soviet Army had a lot of modern weapons, and the Union captured destroyed nothing helped. If there is no collective spirit, a mountain of weapons is just a heap of metal, Americans are armed to the teeth and fight poorly. Communist ideology has sunk into oblivion. The church remains. It will be more important than Armat.
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 27 December 2018 10: 49
      +9
      The church is an organization with its goals and interests. It has a very indirect relation to faith, and even among quite religious people, far from all are church members (and Orthodox Christians too).
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 27 December 2018 10: 56
      +11
      tegezen! This church of the king betrayed, like the whole elite (I am an atheist and not a monarchist). They won the Great Patriotic War because the Great Idea was in the minds of the Soviet people! The church was of help in that victory, nothing more. And now these temples are closing the problem with the lack of Idea among the people and the country.
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    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 December 2018 11: 18
      +8
      I am sure that local believers have already scribbled a bunch of complaints against you for this demotivator, because point e) and she is so vulnerable that for any reason they are ready to be offended because of their "feelings and beliefs." And at the same time, they are ready to hammer the administration with their slander every day until the latter surrenders hi
  37. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 27 December 2018 09: 28
    +13
    Regardless of the authenticity of the document, there is such a medical fact: the Aviation Museum in Monino is being destroyed, now, apparently, they get to the tank museum in Kubinka. And all for the sake of the next gift for the Russian Orthodox Church. I have strong suspicions that the HHS was also built in a similar way.
  38. alexey1213
    alexey1213 27 December 2018 09: 48
    -3
    Shoigu is an old man. It's time to think about the soul. That's where he thought.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 27 December 2018 10: 34
      +11
      At my own expense pliz.
  39. swyatoslav
    swyatoslav 27 December 2018 09: 50
    +2
    Two questions are interesting: who is building and who will be the owner? That is, who is the beneficiary? At the construction site - a rollback, and at the parish (all the more so rich and numerous) - donations.
    I strongly suspect that the Russian Orthodox Church. They are about to lose the Ukrainian parish with income, so the whole world needs to unfasten the priests for "poverty."
  40. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 27 December 2018 10: 01
    -6
    You don’t have to blame it on your head for health and vice versa! The reason for the lack of fittings and dryers is not in the construction of the Temple, and you know this very well and nevertheless throw it on the fan yourself know that. You apparently have menopause, because it throws from one extreme to the other from all gone, all right
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 27 December 2018 10: 50
      +9
      Andrey VOV! And in the temple too, and most importantly - in the nature of this gangster power. The enemy stands at the gates of the country, which these “ours” stubbornly refuse to close for reliable defense.
      All actions of this government are somehow effective only where it is necessary to ensure the safety of extraction and transportation of raw materials and energy resources.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 27 December 2018 11: 04
        -5
        No need to slip into the rally slogans, all these amorphous "The power is to blame" and so on ... it's easier to say "the power is to blame", there is no other one at the present time and will not change after the magic wand
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 27 December 2018 11: 14
          +6
          Andrey VOV! A rally may not be necessary, one must think, why do we have such a power that, instead of restoring the murdered industry, it builds temples.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 27 December 2018 11: 16
            -4
            It is necessary to think and work, but industry was not killed unanimously by the current government
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 27 December 2018 11: 19
              +7
              Andrey VOV! It is her, take an interest in this difficult issue on the network. Do not think that these are not the successors of those who killed the country in 90's.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 27 December 2018 13: 42
                -5
                why should I be interested in it, when I personally drank from TOY in 90 to the very nostrils ... there is no people in the world who would be happy with the power, that they, to a greater or lesser extent .... that, did not laugh in the years 70-80, they didn’t scold in the kitchens or grumble about the lines over the pontectium of the Politburo?
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 27 December 2018 12: 41
            -7
            Quote: NordUral
            why do we have such a power that, instead of restoring the murdered industry, it builds temples.

            That's right, you need to think!
            Communists began to kill industry ... OPANA AND US FOR SHO? And for the fact that the country created by the people for 10 years turned into manure and now you can’t wait to handle your playful bunkers in the homeland bins and break into the feeder! But it doesn’t work out, it’s also possible to earn extra money on the old beaten track on the collapse of the Russian Federation ..... nothing personal, only business! Yes! And do not sing a song about the judas of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, without them there were thousands of thieves with a party card in their pocket!
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 27 December 2018 13: 57
              +6
              Serg65! Waste your fervor for not addressing this. I have long been asserting to VO that the collapse of the Union began with the 20 Congress, with Khrushchev, with its thawed and so on. And what communist Khrushchev? Uneducated leftist-Trotskyist.
  41. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 December 2018 10: 07
    +2
    A very strong critical article in terms of the strategy of the middle of the last century.
  42. populist
    populist 27 December 2018 10: 09
    +14
    The fascists on buckles knocked out "Gott mit uns" - God is with us.
    They believed in god. And their atheistic Soviet Union defeated.
    Great article by Roman good
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 December 2018 10: 39
      -5
      Quote: populist
      They believed in god.

      1. God is capitalized
      2: If they believed in God, they would never have accomplished what they created.
      1. populist
        populist 27 December 2018 11: 30
        +10
        populist (yuri)
        The fascists on buckles knocked out "Gott mit uns" - God is with us.
        They believed in god. And their atheistic Soviet Union defeated

        Alexander Romanov
        2: If they believed in God, they would never have accomplished what they created.

        They completely believed themselves. And with them there were Romanians (almost Orthodox), Finns, Hungarians and Italians. And they all believed too.

        The Spanish conquistadors did with the Indians of conquered America about the same as the Nazis on our land. And so, as the Spaniards believed! So they believed, so they believed how few people believe !!!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2018 22: 00
          -2
          They believed in their exclusiveness - superhumanity.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 27 December 2018 10: 43
      -10
      Quote: populist
      They believed in god. And their atheistic Soviet Union defeated.

      Believing in God and believing in God is not the same thing.
      To understand the above:
      You can believe that the recidivist will recover, or you can believe the corrected one.

      Moscow Region, Shoigu, offers an ideological platform on which a soldier should stand - from an ordinary to a general. It is not iron that wins in the war, but the spirit of a soldier. Skomorokhov with his article loosens the earth under the berets of our soldiers. Without offering anything in return, Roman raises the trenches of our enemies in victory over us. It's disgusting!

      Not understanding the role of ideological power is not understanding at all how the world works. hi
      1. populist
        populist 27 December 2018 11: 38
        +11
        Boris55
        Not understanding the role of ideological power - this is not understanding at all how the world works

        Dear Boris, we are talking about religion. And I fully understand the role of ideology good The atheistic Soviet Union, which defeated faithful fascist Germany, was a country of socialist ideology. good
  43. Conductor
    Conductor 27 December 2018 10: 33
    +10
    The war with guns and soldiers was won, not by priests and banners.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 27 December 2018 10: 42
      -5
      We are Russians! God is with us ! Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2018 22: 01
      0
      Do not worry, very soon drones will win the war - the process has already begun.
  44. kakvastam
    kakvastam 27 December 2018 10: 44
    +8
    If we recall that atheism is quite a religion, not worse than others, the question arises: does this building fall under the law on the protection of the feelings of believers? This is so that Muslim-Buddhist-Shinto not to drag in ...
    1. stalki
      stalki 27 December 2018 13: 15
      0
      If we recall that atheism is quite a religion, no worse than others, the question arises: does this building fall under the law on the protection of the feelings of believers?
      I am an atheist and what? Temples are always needed. My feelings are quite well.
  45. NordUral
    NordUral 27 December 2018 10: 45
    +8
    This temple will be useful to them to atone for the sins of the authorities before the army and the people. The thought has long crept into my head that this "our" government is not going to fight the West in the event of an attack on Russia. They will hand over the name for their money over the hill.
    And all these tales about incredible power are a grandiose performance for us, chill. To think less, why in the country it is so hard for ordinary people, and so good for thieves all over the vertical.
    Around us, the devil knows what is happening, but these only PR. And we, the people as a whole, are being led to this. And he does not think about the future of the country and our children.
    1. Lawyer
      Lawyer 27 December 2018 12: 39
      -4
      Good thoughts do not creep into your head like thieves they come openly and from them joy and grace. So that you persecute these thieves.
  46. d1975
    d1975 27 December 2018 11: 01
    +8
    But I believe, because I worked on a budget and went to the polls and parades instead of earning a penny on the weekend ((((The chief stood on the right side (the head of the department) and noted who was at the parade Yes, I’m a patriot of my homeland, but Moscow is not the whole of RUSSIA! Therefore, in our Kuban they say exactly the same as the girl-men’s words word for word! This is really an excess and that the darkest one does not know about this ?! This is complete nonsense, I do not believe ! am So how does a fucking batch of vigorous Russia differ from the Communist Party for the better? It has become even worse. No one will support it and it is time for Putin to make a choice with whom he is, it is time for the people, with the people or with whom? A shame !
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 27 December 2018 11: 08
      +8
      d1975! And he did it a long time ago, but only recently told us. There will be no socialism, there will be justice (in the understanding of thieves' power, the brightest representatives of which, at all levels, explain this to us in detail, in word and deed).
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 December 2018 11: 36
        -1
        Quote: NordUral
        but only recently told us. Socialism will not be

        Did you listen to him?
        " It seems to me that the deep state of society is such that the restoration of socialism - in the sense that you, in my opinion, are investing in it - impossible".

        Personally, I, except for socialism according to Stalin, do not need any other. With all the other rulers of socialism was not. There were many words about socialism, but really there was the power of party membership. In such socialism, I do not want. If anyone has forgotten what the power of party-nomenclature is, take a look, today it rules everywhere.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 27 December 2018 11: 41
          +7
          Boris! Socialism has one meaning - social justice. He has this one-sided justice that applies to a small percentage of the country's population.
          Personally, I do not need socialism, according to Stalin. I agree with you without reservation!
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 27 December 2018 11: 49
            -6
            Quote: NordUral
            He has this one-sided justice that applies to a small percentage of the country's population.

            Are you talking about the May Decrees now? laughing

            We all live according to the laws adopted by the Duma. If desired, our chosen ones could, with some troubles, such as the adoption of the law on the constitutional assembly, etc., return the Stalinist Constitution altogether, abolish the power of the president, take away power from party membership and return power to the councils of workers and peasants. All this is beyond the powers and capabilities of the president. Putin took over the country at the beginning of the century. The current Constitution is adopted in 1993. He, as her guarantor, cannot go beyond her, but the Duma can do it.

            ps
            The signature of the President under the Law, as the guarantor of the Constitution, means that this Law does not contradict the Constitution - no more.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 27 December 2018 11: 55
              +6
              "May Decrees" Do not tell, Boris! It’s too late even to laugh, as well as to cry. It’s time for the people to start thinking and acting.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 27 December 2018 11: 58
                -5
                Quote: NordUral
                "May Decrees" Don't tell me, Boris!

                And what is wrong with them?
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 27 December 2018 12: 00
                  +2
                  Words must be translated into action, Boris!
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 27 December 2018 12: 05
                    -6
                    Quote: NordUral
                    Words must be translated into action, Boris!

                    In order for things to be done, these things must be funded. Our budget is not being cut by the president, but by the Duma. That's how she sawed off, so they will be executed.

                    Even we are completely off topic. It's time to tie.
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 27 December 2018 12: 12
                      +7
                      In order for things to be done, these things must be funded. Our budget is not being cut by the president, but by the Duma. That's how she sawed off, so they will be executed.

                      Even we are completely off topic. It's time to tie.


                      They are sawing all together, Boris.

                      And I agree, it's time, New Year on the nose.
      2. d1975
        d1975 27 December 2018 12: 09
        +4
        I understand that you are fully adequate, but this is already full ales kaput in his performance! Tired of it already! They did the showcase, what's next, and then nothing! It creates visibility and that's it! Order is needed in the country. We are already stupidly spread rot.
  47. faiver
    faiver 27 December 2018 11: 04
    +9
    Article plus, the attitude to this Sabbath is about the same as that of the author,
    everyone must do their job, the army defense, and the priests their priestly affairs ...
    1. Lawyer
      Lawyer 27 December 2018 12: 30
      -8
      The church is also defense, only spiritual, and only on this core can everything else be built. There will be no core of spirit - everything will fall apart, like the USSR - a great house was built, but it was built on the sand, the wind and the storm came and everything fell apart.
      1. faiver
        faiver 27 December 2018 12: 38
        +6
        The church is also a defense, only a spiritual one, and only on this core can everything else be built.
        - I'm sorry, but the church / religion is a means of managing the masses of people no more than that .. hi
        1. Lawyer
          Lawyer 27 December 2018 12: 47
          -3
          Sorry, but with all due respect, you unfortunately do not know anything about the church and are deeply mistaken. Why repeat the Soviet stamps. Take the Gospel and find a good textbook of world history from ancient centuries to this day (only not Soviet) and you guarantee you will discover a very, very new and useful.
          1. faiver
            faiver 27 December 2018 12: 51
            +5
            Why repeat the Soviet stamps.
            - this is not a stamp, but a reality, there is no point in arguing - I will remain in my own positions, you are on your own, to each his own .... hi
  48. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 27 December 2018 11: 18
    +16
    I read the article, read the comments. Hmm ... anger and unwillingness to hear each other.
    I will express myself. By itself, having an army temple is a good thing. Only the initiative in the form in which it is implemented is inappropriate and goes back to ignorance of the history and traditions of the Russian army.
    In St. Petersburg there is the Transfiguration Cathedral. It exists since the 18th century, has never been closed, since the time of Paul I - Cathedral of the Transfiguration of the Lord of All Guard. It was considered the main temple of the entire Russian guard. An almshouse, an orphanage, a canteen, and a school for soldiers' children operated under him.
    A great choice for an all-army temple:

    To give the temple status, to build a rehabilitation center with it - that’s what it would be. And the location is good and the connection of traditions is evident.
    By the way, a curious detail - In 1832-1833, designed by the architect Stasov, in memory of the victory in the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829 around the cathedral the fence, the basis of which is the trunks of captured Turkish guns, taken from the walls of the Turkish fortresses of Izmail, Varna, Tulchi, Isakchi, Silistra, as well as taken in the battle of Kulevchi.

    Ideally the same.
    Moreover, there is also an excellent "candidate" - the Cathedral of the Holy Life-Giving Trinity of the Life-Guards Izmailovsky Regiment.

    "On the walls of the cathedral were the captured Turkish banners captured during the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, the banners of the regiment. In 1836, white marble plaques with the names of the officers of the regiment who died in the battles of Austerlitz, Friedland, Borodino and Keys to the fortresses of Kars, Bayazet, Lemotik, Nikopol, Adrianople and other cities, as well as the uniforms of the august chiefs were kept in the showcases. "
    But no, we will build some mediocre "remake" in the Moscow region ..
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  49. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 27 December 2018 11: 24
    +9
    Moreover, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow can be considered as the main temple of the army. It was erected in honor of the victory in the Patriotic War of 1812, is the collective cenotaph of the soldiers of the Russian Imperial Army who died in the war with Napoleon, on the walls of the temple were the names of the officers who died in the war and the Overseas Campaigns of 1797-1806 and 1813-1814.
    1. faiver
      faiver 27 December 2018 12: 46
      +10
      Nikita, salt is that all the temples listed by you have already been built and they are not located in Shoyguland, and they will not be given a medal for them ... hi
  50. Blue fox
    Blue fox 27 December 2018 11: 51
    +6
    Thanks, Roman. Guys here in the subway car discussed that 1,7 billion is not the sum for such a large-scale facility (in St. Petersburg, for example, a school for 1000 places costs 1,5 billion, and even if it has two pools, but the decoration is near the church in natural stone, mosaics and murals will be ..) most likely the main money will go not through the Moscow Region, but through the ̶M̶i̶n̶k̶u̶l̶y̶t̶ church.