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VKS forced to use the Tu-214P. Ukrainian "jamming" Mi-8 will wrap Donbass with EW veil

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While commentators from social networks with a fair amount of justified irony continued to comment news about the transfer of the UMS-1000 PC 12M2 project to the Mariupol Maritime Squad of the State Border Guard Service of the territorial sea, predicting to him the fate of BG-119 (project 1400M Grif), which was barred off the coast line of the Nameless patrol boat, which attempted to shell coastal fortifications DNR Armed Forces On August 31, 2018, the news about gaining operational operational readiness by the two most advanced modifications of the electronic-counter-rotor-wing systems Mi-8MTPB and Mi-8MTPS remained almost unnoticed. After restoration by forces of specialists of the state enterprise Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant Aviakon, two sides were transferred to the army aviation AFU, and in the foreseeable future, they can be transferred to one of the military airfields at the Donbass theater of operations (Berdyansk or Kramatorsk).




Taking into account the fact that in February 2017, in accordance with the order of the defense department "Square" No. 711, the military unit A2772 of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces already received 4 EW helicopters (3 Mi-8PPA and 1 Mi-8СМВ) earlier modifications, the number of these machines at the disposal of the Ukrainian military units (in 4 modifications) reached 6 units. And this is not the best way to reflect not only on the capabilities of the 1 Army NM DPR unit’s coroning the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Telman’s isthmus region, but also on the capabilities of the airborne radar intelligence equipment of the Russian Aerospace Forces' subdivision 36-th, 79-th and 128-th separate brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Consequently, in order to objectively evaluate the capabilities of at least one of the 6s adapted to perform EW Mi-8 tasks on a modern network-centric TVD, as well as to develop effective methods of countering it, it is necessary to immerse yourself in studying the parameters of the radio-electronic "stuffing" of this rotary-wing machine.

The most technically advanced version in the “jamming” line of the Mi-8, inherited from Kiev from the Soviet defense industry, is the Mi-8MTPB. The machine was developed by specialists of the Kazan Helicopter Plant based on the Mi-8МТ multi-purpose helicopter, which differs from the earlier version of the Mi-8T by 16% by more powerful 1454-strong GTE Klimov TV-3-117МТ (compared to GTX TV2-117А). The more "high-torque" version of the Mi-8 was chosen as a platform for a reason. The fact is that, in accordance with the tactical and technical tasks of the Mi-8MTPB, it was equipped with a rather massive and high-energy electronic counter-response complex "Bison", whose 32-element active phased arrays needed to be placed on board the helicopter as well as an efficient liquid cooling circuit, represented by 6 airfoils, -oil radiators. The same circuit was used to cool the antenna modules of the EBS SPS-63 / 66 "Azalia" station.


Repaired by the Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant Mi-8MTPB (in the background; visible 6 oil-air radiators under the fuselage) and Mi-8MTPS (in the middle plan)


As for the technological capabilities of the above EW systems deployed on the Mi-8MTPB, they are capable of creating a lot of problems not only to the operators of counter battery 1L219 “Zoo” counter-battery radars of the artillery reconnaissance, which are at the disposal of the Kalmius 1 AK Brigade of the 50 AK AKNNRR Artillery Brigade. the operators of the Shmel-M radar complexes of Russian airplanes ARLOU A-50 and A-63U, which regularly carry out reconnaissance flights in the airspace of Russia near Novoazovskiy and Telmanovskogo areas for I shall identify in advance the facts of the preparation of Ukrainian militants for aggressive actions (including the movement of ground equipment and the operation of tactical aviation). For example, the REP ATP-66 / 50 "Azalia" complex sets up jamming both in the S-band decimeter waves, as well as in the G / H / X-bands centimeter waves, which fit into the working ranges of both the Zoo and the aircraft radar family A-XNUMX / U.

The operators of the complexes will encounter complex frequency-modulated masking interference of the "sliding" type with pseudo-random tuning of the radiation frequency from S to X-band. At the same time, the width of the spectrum of the jamming signal will be 240 MHz, which will create enormous difficulties in the selection of real ground targets by means of the Shmel radar, as well as complicate the Zoo and Aistenok artillery reconnaissance complexes the algorithm for constructing the trajectories of Ukrainian high-explosive fragmentation and rockets for the final calculation of active artillery positions of the Armed Forces. Also, due to the high spectral density of the jamming channel, the Azalia complex is able to minimize the efficiency of centimeter coherent pulse radar detectors and guidance radars of the Osa-AK self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems, which are in service with the LDNR army corps. As for the A-50U, due to the use of a less protected from interference (in comparison with PFAR and AFAR) radar "Bumblebee" with a waveguide-slot antenna array, the Mi-8MTPB jamming sector on the multifunctional indicators of the Mainstay operators will be flare, against the background of which units tank units of the Armed Forces will be practically indistinguishable.

An even more powerful EBC “Bizon” complex, represented by 32-element AFAR of the decimeter wave range, will add fuel to the fire with the ability to cover the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation and Su-25 attack aircraft over the Donbass from modern Oversieve-G type radars deployed in the Kuban and in the Rostov region, as well as to suppress the control channels of territorial reconnaissance UAVs. The use of the Mi-8 MTPB helicopter complex of electronic countermeasures by the Ukrainian military units (as well as covering the meter range of Mi-8PPA equipped with an EW Bean) can only be opposed to the use of advanced radar aircraft, as well as radiotechnical and radar, as well as radiotechnical and radar, as well as radiotechnical and radio-technical airplanes of the Russian Federation. electronic reconnaissance Tu-214P, which for unknown reasons are extremely rare guests at the LDNR air borders (the last known reconnaissance flying near the Donbass was carried out in the autumn of the year 2015). The multi-frequency MRK-411 multi-frequency radar / radio-technical complexes placed on board, represented by at least 4 by side-view antenna modules and one all-view radar module of the lower hemisphere review (in the radio transparent under vent body “drop-shaped” fairing), can present the opponent with two surprises.

First of all, it is the use of active phased antenna arrays capable of forming "zero sectors" of the radiation pattern in the direction of the radiation source (in our case, Mi-8MTPB / S / PPA helicopters), which increases the noise immunity and the ability to select ground objects against the background noise. Secondly, this is the ability of the MRK-411 radars to use ultra-low operating frequencies (lower meter wavelengths), thanks to which the Tu-214Р operators can scan the target area in the subsurface radar mode, detecting not only armored vehicles, artillery and anti-aircraft weapons with radars off, but also enemy underground infrastructure in most types of soil and under the snow gauge. Neither the EF Bean stations, nor the Bizon REB complexes are able to withstand this long wavelength mode of the MRK-411. The only weighty problem is the presence of only two unique Tu-214Р in service of the Russian VKS, while a probable escalation on several strategic directions requires the adoption of about ten such boards.

Information sources:
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-661.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/715504.html
http://www.wing.com.ua/content/view/20908/
https://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/695728.html
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-599.html
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  1. Vladyak2000
    Vladyak2000 26 December 2018 06: 13
    +2
    Studied all these "Beans", "Azaleas" at the end of the eighties at the military department at MIREA. Even then, they seemed far from being a masterpiece of engineering. Has EW, as a military science, not taken steps forward since then?
    1. Andrey787
      Andrey787 26 December 2018 12: 25
      -28
      The developers of Soviet electronic warfare systems left almost whole teams to the United States and Israel. So there EW took great steps forward ... And in Russia now they are building new churches .... and they are laundering money ...
      1. Serjio
        Serjio 26 December 2018 12: 40
        +21
        Here are a few names of the latest Russian electronic warfare equipment: "Palantin", "Tirada-2", "Divnomorye". Well, of course, fill in about the backward Russian in electronic warfare.
      2. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 26 December 2018 14: 02
        +15
        And the temples then what did not please you? They are building a lot of things in our country. I am not in the subject of electronic warfare, our plant produces other products under the state defense order, but, excuse the tautology, it does. And such products, which quite recently could not even have been imagined. I am sure that there is something similar in the electronic warfare. And it is not at all a fact that the average person knows all the new developments and their characteristics. I don’t think it’s right to vote “... everything is lost ...” for any reason. Yes, there are a lot of problems, but the indiscriminate criticism is frankly tired. As well as a hat. IMHO.
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          1. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 26 December 2018 19: 37
            +3
            Do you, after all, know ALL the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church? Are they really all Jews? Do you know that the Savior himself, by his mother, is a Jew? Can't a Christian be a Jew? It seems to me that it is necessary to distinguish between "Jews" and "Jews". Here for the Jews, for example, I have no pretensions. My fellow officers were Jews and, which is typical, not a single chief product or chief. Absolutely normal guys. One, even a plane technician was, for those who understand what this position is. And the hierarchs ... Do not worry so much, if you knew even a little about matters of faith, you would know that they will answer by far more than ordinary laity. And if you are an atheist, then ... envy?
            1. Gray-haired
              Gray-haired 29 December 2018 17: 21
              +2
              To help you:
          2. page
            page 26 December 2018 19: 46
            +6
            Absolutely, faith has long been a means of profit!
        2. 210ox
          210ox 26 December 2018 17: 41
          +5
          The man is apparently not in the subject .. Maybe for a long time he was not at home?
        3. Su24
          Su24 28 December 2018 11: 39
          +2
          Quote: Shkodnik65
          And what temples didn’t please you? .


          Because an amethyst cannot just be taken and not blurt out over the Church.
      3. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 26 December 2018 19: 04
        +2
        Quote: Andrey787
        But in Russia now they are building new churches .... and they are laundering money ...

        Well, why are you like that?)
        "Russian electronic warfare (EW) technologies are far ahead of the US and pose a particular threat to the US and NATO forces in Europe," analyst Samuel Bendett of the US Center for Naval Analysis told C4ISRNET.
      4. bk316
        bk316 26 December 2018 21: 04
        +7
        Developers of Soviet electronic warfare systems left almost the whole team in the USA

        Yah! Wah, how beautiful it sounds!
        Do you know at least one developer of "Soviet electronic warfare systems"? lol
        Do you know anyone out of one hundred and eight? wassat
        Maybe they drank vodka with Berg? belay

        Do not disgrace the young man. You still live and live ......
      5. kosmos84
        kosmos84 26 December 2018 21: 15
        0
        Do not write this, otherwise you’ll rattle the agents of the State Department
      6. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 26 December 2018 23: 19
        0
        Are you already there? Or were you hired to nightmare? About how everything is worthless and without you we know.
      7. lopvlad
        lopvlad 27 December 2018 02: 26
        +1
        Quote: Andrey787
        So there EW took a big step forward ...


        into the abyss upside down.
    2. Random
      Random 26 December 2018 15: 02
      +6
      Quote: Vladyak2000
      Has EW, since military science, not taken a step forward since?

      Naturally I did, but ... there is Damantsev, who out of what is not clear "will make" the "Elephant" wassat, having confused everything in the world - "Smalt" with "Field" (we now have "Lever-AV"), but to pass off as a super-duper "novelty" PAP-shku with "Azalea" and "Fasolby" ... this is necessary ... "to be able" wassat
      1. Aibolit
        Aibolit 27 December 2018 00: 15
        +2
        Quote: Random
        Naturally I did, but ... there is Damantsev, who out of what is not clear "will make" an "Elephant"

        +


        Graphomania (from the Greek. Γράφω - to write, draw, portray and Greek. Μανία - passion, madness, attraction) - pathological desire for writing, to the composition of works claiming to be published in literary publications, pseudoscientific treatises, etc. A sufferer of graphomania can compose “scientific works” in areas that he does not understand, write works of art in the complete absence of any creative abilities. Written by graphomaniacs is mostly banal or even meaningless in content
  2. Parsec
    Parsec 26 December 2018 06: 20
    +12
    The author is very, very far from the realities of electronic warfare and radar reconnaissance, especially air defense systems.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 26 December 2018 06: 46
      +3
      It’s somehow vulgar to read this: "Chief, everything is lost! The plaster cast is being removed, the client is leaving!"
      Someone on the portal can clearly say something about how justified the squeals of the author are justified, but most importantly - what methods and methods of combating this evil can and should be undertaken in addition to putting an entire regiment of EW aircraft against TWO Mi-8?
      1. Yar_Vyatkin
        Yar_Vyatkin 26 December 2018 09: 45
        +11
        I suspect the author is doing peremog of this zrada:
        https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/6f303bf9-210a-4a77-82d9-f5112d6eebef.png
        Ukrainians give these EW stations for new ones. Two times they are new.

        "On the first Smalta-V" Mi-8SMV, on the near "Azalea" Mi-8PPA. Still Soviet service.

        Surely they did so, knowing all the rest of the "repair" and "modernization" that are done there on aircraft. Here recently one such modernized painting "cracker" took another wiped ATO, the head of the VOTP brigade. And before that - even the same ace from the word ass and his colleague from the US Air Force.

        And why almost the regiment is needed in order to overcome this old one - it is decidedly unclear. I am silent, that knocking down these cars, with a special desire, will not be difficult (of course, not by means of air defense of the corps, but by the means of the older brothers from the 8 th GvOA).
        1. Random
          Random 26 December 2018 15: 26
          +2
          Quote: Yar_Vyatkin
          "On the first Smalta-V" Mi-8SMV, on the near "Azalea" Mi-8PPA. Still Soviet service.

          A bit wrong soldier
          "Smalta-V" is ... here bully

          And in the photo (foreground) Mi-8 with the "Pole" electronic warfare system bully

          Well, in the background it’s yes Mi-8PPA (ancient, like ... my life wassat )
          So, "dill" a priori cannot have any MTPB and MTPS (only in their sick imagination, however, as always) soldier
          since "Lever-BV" only entered the state waste disposal facilities in 1990 (and .. "entered successfully), and all work resumed in
          KNIRTI only in 2001 (in the 10th GOSy) and now there is a Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter with an electronic warfare "Lever-AV" complex.

          And yes .... KNITRI (this is not Kiev, but ..Kaluga) wink (for those who don’t know drinks
      2. kjhg
        kjhg 26 December 2018 09: 46
        -11
        Quote: hydrox
        It’s somehow vulgar to read this: "Chief, everything is lost! The plaster cast is being removed, the client is leaving!"

        Does someone make you? On Sunday, you can listen to Kiselyov and sleep peacefully.
        Quote: hydrox
        Someone on the portal can clearly say something about how justified the squeals of the author are justified, but most importantly - what methods and methods of combating this evil can and should be undertaken in addition to putting an entire regiment of EW aircraft against TWO Mi-8?

        Below are a large number of countermeasures. Here are some of them: ZUSHKI; radiators under the belly of the helicopter emitting heat; hats; and the most deadly argument, Damantsev wrote this. That's the level of criticism request
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 26 December 2018 09: 34
      -7
      Quote: Parsec
      The author is very, very far from the realities of electronic warfare and radar reconnaissance, especially air defense systems.

      You’ve got very well-grounded criticism for a specific scenario given by the author
    3. Random
      Random 26 December 2018 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: Parsec
      The author is very, very far from the realities of electronic warfare and radar reconnaissance

      Absolutely right good soldier
      The author gave out freshly painted crafts of the "Ukrainian aircraft industry" designed and produced in the 70s and 80s for .. "wunderwaflu" wassat
      I’m personally interested in another question ... but where are the new LLW and LRW from? belay recourse
    4. Random
      Random 26 December 2018 16: 00
      +2
      Quote: Parsec
      The author is very, very far from the realities of electronic warfare and radar reconnaissance

      And the author is so far from aviation realities ... that he is not visible through the telescope.
      Paragraph of the article -The most technically advanced version in the "jamming" Mi-8 line, inherited by Kiev from the Soviet defense industry, is the Mi-8MTPB. The machine was developed by Kazan Helicopter Plant specialists on the basis of the Mi-8MT multi-purpose helicopter, which differs from the earlier Mi-8T version by 16% more powerful 1454-strong gas turbine engines Klimov TV-3-117MT
      The electronic warfare helicopter Mi-8MTPR-1, was created on the basis of the Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopter with the installation of the active interference station "Lever-AV", developed by the Kaluga Radio Engineering Research Institute.
      In service with the Russian Air Force since 2014 soldier which on .. "one subject" - "inherited from Kiev in the legacy of the Soviet defense industry" belay No. fool
      The TV3-117MT engine is 2% more powerful than the TV117-30 engine and 1900 hp
      The disadvantage is only repair as MT ... "to remake in modifications -V, VK, VM and VMA ... not possible, it is operated only on Mi-8MT helicopters
  3. Nemo
    Nemo 26 December 2018 06: 52
    +13
    I started reading the article and already in the second paragraph it became clear who the author of this masterpiece was.
    1. Borisovich
      Borisovich 26 December 2018 08: 33
      +3
      Ha! Damantsev can be identified by the name of the "poem". ...
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 26 December 2018 09: 35
        -3
        Ha, Borisovich can be identified by the usual "weighty" arguments given in his comments what
        1. Borisovich
          Borisovich 27 December 2018 19: 17
          0
          Quote: kjhg
          kjhg (Gargantua) Yesterday, 09:35
          0

          Well, so I'm not a writer. I am a reader. And it is not my merit that the writer Damantsev likes to give out his works under loud, outright murderous headlines. However, now (IMHO) this is the trouble of many journalists. Shandarakhnul heading, and the news is not worth a damn. But catchy, however.
          But with Kaptsov it’s more difficult, you have to read a couple of three paragraphs until you understand who the creator is.
          Something like that.
          hi
      2. Turist1996
        Turist1996 27 December 2018 15: 27
        +1
        I also understood from the title who the author is. laughing
  4. Lieutenant Senior
    Lieutenant Senior 26 December 2018 07: 05
    -4
    What problems are there, an ordinary zushka without any tricks will make a colander out of these helicopters, they will not have time to fly up.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 26 December 2018 08: 32
      +3
      The presence of a large number of radiators makes the helicopter an excellent target for a thermal seeker. Another thing is that they will hang far from the front line.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 26 December 2018 08: 46
        +4
        Well, they can’t hang very far from the front line, but, of course, far away than the zushka can take them.
        And yet, if the signal power decreases in proportion to the cube of the distance, then how can this turntable be removed and at what distance from the line of fire can it safely function?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 26 December 2018 10: 44
          +7
          Quote: hydrox
          And yet, if the signal power decreases in proportion to the cube of the distance, then how can this turntable be removed and at what distance from the line of fire can it safely function?
          Any active electronic warfare agent unmasks itself by radiation. Next is the question of quick commanders. If you know where the radiating helicopter hangs, you can figure out how to shoot it down, or you can evade its work without the Tu-214.
          In general, the article is really "all gone". Two ancient Soviet electronic warfare helicopters (yes even ten helicopters), even if modified with a Ukrainian file, cannot radically change the situation. They can create difficulties. But this is not some kind of wunderwaffe. They will never be able to interfere with all radars, disrupt guidance and aiming of all weapons.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 26 December 2018 15: 35
            0
            Quote: Alex_59
            or you can avoid his work without the Tu-214.

            Well, then why is the author whining?
            Is he the same analyst as I am a football player?
            Well prescribed, +
          2. Turist1996
            Turist1996 27 December 2018 15: 29
            0
            The author said "fseprapalo" means "fseprapalo!" laughing wink
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 December 2018 15: 22
          0
          I thought that power falls in the square of the distance, isn't it?
          1. Turist1996
            Turist1996 27 December 2018 15: 36
            0
            Well, yes! The power of the source divided by the square meter of the surface of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance to the source. But this is with a uniform distribution. Although even if it is a "ray", it is divergent, that is, the energy density still falls according to the quadratic law.
      2. Random
        Random 26 December 2018 15: 30
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        The presence of a large number of radiators makes the helicopter an excellent target for a thermal seeker. Another thing is that they will hang far from the front line.

        These stations have short range wink
        And as soon as "turned on", then you are already a specific "target" for the PRR soldier
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 26 December 2018 09: 37
      -12
      But what kind of ZUShki are you talking about? We’ll throw their hats and caps right from the pages of VO lol
      What problems are there, an ordinary zushka without any tricks will make a colander out of these helicopters
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 26 December 2018 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: kjhg
        But what kind of ZUShki are you talking about? We’ll throw their hats and caps right from the pages of VO lol
        What problems are there, an ordinary zushka without any tricks will make a colander out of these helicopters

        Can you? belay can you handle it? sad get started yes
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 26 December 2018 07: 45
    +3
    EW devices, like any other intelligence equipment, countermeasures are effective in combination, working in an organized system! And so, small-town troubles, especially equipment is not new.
    Although, in principle, the approach and organization of the military process is correct. Only to real value, real impact on the enemy, is still very far away.
  6. Scud
    Scud 26 December 2018 10: 30
    +2
    Be that as it may, but if they said that it wouldn’t seem small, then bring down this shusher if not on takeoff then on approach. Talk about some morality and decency with the Americans and geyevropa only to your own detriment!
  7. Alex_59
    Alex_59 26 December 2018 10: 30
    +4
    Neither the Fasol electronic warfare station nor the Bizon electronic warfare systems are able to withstand this long-wave mode of the MRK-411
    I would venture to suggest that the terrible Ukrainian, or rather the ancient Soviet lamp, model of the 70s, "Beans" is not capable of resisting anything at all. Due to the lack of living lamps, and also due to the fact that its performance required regular operating time to maintain the lamps in a living position.
    1. cyberspace
      cyberspace 26 December 2018 12: 40
      +5
      Quote: Alex_59
      an ancient Soviet lamp, model of the 70s, "Bean" is not able to withstand anything at all

      Ancient lamp Beans could quite successfully withstand the same ancient lamp antiques, subject to competent maintenance, use and routine maintenance. With what are very big problems in Ukraine - after 91 years, generator lamps were unlikely to be supplied to the spare parts, and they have a service life of up to 8 years maximum (optimistic), the current spare parts should already be exhausted for any reason. voltage at the cathode, but it is not long and fraught. That is. These Beans and Bison are currently candidates for the museum, not for combat work.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 26 December 2018 15: 27
        +1
        Lamp "Beans" has one advantage: insensitivity to radiation, nothing else. I hope the dill will collect their atomic bomb not before they dig up a new private sea.
      2. Random
        Random 26 December 2018 15: 38
        +3
        Quote: siber
        Ancient lamp Beans could quite successfully withstand the same ancient lamp antiques, subject to competent maintenance, use and routine maintenance.

        Now we have practically no such "lamp antiques" in service, but they (their potential opponents) ... even more so wink
        As they said - .. "you want to expose yourself" .. cut .. "Beans" and everyone will see you or the whole BP at once wassat (barrage-forward noise ... this is .. "to carry" ... today) for the P-18 and RV may create a "problem", but in general ..... "stone age" soldier
        So your conclusion on the account -... "their place in the museum" is absolutely correct drinks soldier
        1. cyberspace
          cyberspace 26 December 2018 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: Random
          Now we have practically no such "lamp antiques" in service, but they (their potential opponents) ... even more so

          Then it is generally unclear what the Damanians are afraid of, except to frighten the ignorant and unimportant.
          1. cyberspace
            cyberspace 26 December 2018 18: 54
            +1
            Quote: Random
            As they said - .. "you want to expose yourself" .. cut .. "Beans" and everyone will see you or the whole BP at once

            On the other hand - cut the Beans in a quiet and peaceful place - and half of the Harmas will break there.
  8. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 26 December 2018 10: 43
    +5
    From the first lines it’s clear right away, Damantsev .... wound it up, screwed it up .... and the headline is pathetic what a horrible thing!
  9. Forest
    Forest 26 December 2018 10: 45
    +2
    Again stale underpants of this aftor)
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  11. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 26 December 2018 12: 30
    +2
    EW SPS-63/66 "Azalea" - the end of the 70s ... almost 40 years have passed wassat
  12. Peter Tsar
    Peter Tsar 26 December 2018 13: 20
    +4
    Yes, the article slightly thickens, but it is not far from the truth. Over the past 4 years, the APU has changed quite a lot. Yes, this is far from the most motivated army in the world with the armament of the union and all sorts of crafts a la ichil-style. In addition, I am extremely negative about the idea that the APU is over, everything will fall apart tomorrow and so on. etc. By the way, four years and they did not fall apart. But still, tomorrow, with the help of Western partners, they can figure out rockets and other things from foreign excrement and local sticks, and it will be an extremely unpleasant surprise at a crucial moment. So with electronic warfare systems. NATO or Israeli systems will roll out to help Mishki. You know, the old flintlock muzzle-loading pistol of the eighteenth century can also kill. As Lao Tzu wrote: There is no greater disaster than underestimating the enemy.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 26 December 2018 15: 32
      +2
      That's right, but no one has ever fought with Dill, the LDNR militia, with the help of the "North Wind" and "Voentorg", is only waging a defensive war. "Minsk" is a dead end, it's time to admit it, but all the big capital of Russia and Dill will not come to an agreement.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 December 2018 17: 04
    0
    I understand everything .... but when will these helicopters interfere actively with us, where will they be located and at what height?
    1. bk316
      bk316 26 December 2018 21: 22
      +2
      They will roll, in the field to burn out. In order to use electronic warfare on turntables, it is necessary to be under an air defense umbrella even children know this. I forgot to clarify under the umbrella YOUR air defense, and not the enemy.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 December 2018 21: 14
        0
        And even under the umbrella of its air defense where to get away from MANPADS
  14. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 26 December 2018 19: 05
    +1
    Ahhhhh ..
    So this is Damantsev)
  15. bk316
    bk316 26 December 2018 21: 20
    +3
    Eugene! Well, stop it already. Your articles more and more resemble Gridasov's opuses.
    32-element active HEADLIGHTS which required placement of an effective liquid cooling circuit on board the helicopter

    Do you really think that anyone in this world is interested in exactly 32 elements?
    Or do you just need to dial your 1000 characters?
    The question of filling and how does the number of AFAR elements relate to the released heat power? repeat

    the width of the spectrum ..... and also complicate the artillery reconnaissance complexes "Zoo" and "Aistenok" algorithm for constructing Ukrainian trajectories high-explosive and rocket-propelled shells for the final calculation of the active artillery positions of the APU.

    High-explosive and reactive fragmentation? Like "Small and Soft" in the same row?
    But there is no concrete slaughtering complicate?
    And how do you generally represent this in the sense of "complication of algorithms"? Have you ever seen a "zoo"? Do you think that such a nerd from a scientific company sits in the cockpit and sprinkles a "trajectory construction algorithm"?

    Eugene in pursuit of a red word you brought the text to the state of verbal diarrhea. Stop at last, further only Gridasov.
  16. Syroitel_nik
    Syroitel_nik 26 December 2018 22: 40
    +1
    Quote: Maverick1812
    Because temples are built for business, not for God. Among the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, there are only Jews, so the people are indignant ....

    do not judge by yourself and the like. And then so much bile comes out of you, as if not going inside, however. The topic is about one, but you need to blur, Troll
  17. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 December 2018 23: 16
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    The goals are clear, the tasks are defined, for work, comrades DeNeErovtsy.
  18. Santor
    Santor 27 December 2018 08: 47
    +1
    Hmm .... Systems that are long outdated and have long been counterbalanced. There will be no sense from them. Damantsev, as always, got a bunch of text :)))) Also BRDM would be scared.
  19. Nickolay voronov
    Nickolay voronov 27 December 2018 17: 27
    -2
    and where does the Tu-214R, if the Russian Federation officially has nothing to do with the "civil" war in Ukraine? And what kind of SETCENTRISM are we talking about, if it is ZERO in the RF Armed Forces (the Armed Forces have at least Elbit communication systems)
  20. thekhohol
    thekhohol 27 December 2018 19: 45
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    Already even after the first lines I wind down - et .. Guessed. Damantsev.
    Is that local Alizar?
    Which pseudo-scientific verbose nonsense (not supported by anything), in the sense.
  21. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V 27 December 2018 23: 32
    0
    These comments about nothing are just amazing. And that no one knows that last year 4 wagons of equipment and several instructors from the USA entered the Konotop Aviation Repair Plant "Aviakon"? And here all the hats are being prepared for bullying ... Just do not need answers, better deal with hats.
  22. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 28 December 2018 23: 39
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    Do not touch Damantsev! Do not touch Prokopenko! Freedom to Angela Davis and Anna Chapman at the same time! Hands off TV-3! Freedom to the shamans!
  23. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 30 December 2018 22: 36
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    Eight disabled helicopters will immediately conquer all of Russia. In Russia, you have nothing to hang on your hundreds of helicopters? After all, there is ammunition that incapacitates this "wonderful" equipment in Ukraine.