USSR-2 Kurginyan and the main issue of the revolution

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Controversy around the article "Sergey Kurginyan's brilliance and poverty" (23.12.18), which I am completely satisfied with, bypassed the main issue of the article - about power in the supposed USSR Kurginyan project-2. I remember, V.I. Lenin said that the main question of the revolution is the question of power, and the situation with the USSR-2 project is exactly the same.

USSR-2 Kurginyan and the main issue of the revolution




Moreover, as far as I know, the phenomenon of the voluntary political death of the USSR has not bothered a serious reflection of our scientific Marxist-Leninist community. Until now, the main reasons are seen in the betrayal and reincarnation of individual party members, including the CPSU Central Committee and its Secretary General, MS Gorbachev. While the main question is: why are they reborn?

In general, the voluntary fall of the USSR is a fact for stories an unprecedented, for the first time, a great power, by its own will, with its power, left political life: before such powers had left the stage of history only after a military rout. Or revolutionary defeat, as the Russian Empire left. Although Kurginyan does not raise the issue of power in the USSR-2 project, in any case he doesn’t say anything about this in Kulikov’s program “Right to Know!” the fateful 1991 year.

We must pay tribute to Sergey Kurginyan: he, voluntarily or involuntarily, seriously pushed the study of this issue with his thesis about the "joining" pro-Western elite formed in the USSR in one way or another. In our opinion, the USSR began as a utopian project, the construction of a new Tower of Babel of the “kingdom of freedom” for all the peoples of the world, so it collapsed in a unique way, giving rise to the “entrance” pro-Western elite.

We forget today that initially the elite of the USSR was special: revolutionary, international and pro-Western, since Marxism is a Western teaching. Only Stalin stands apart in this elite, he tried to reformat it in the course of politically anti-Trotskyist, in fact, anti-communist repression of the 30s, even introduced shoulder straps and officer ranks in the army. “I am of Russian Georgian origin,” Stalin once said after the victorious end of the Great Patriotic War. Unthinkable to the communist leaders of the time, a statement that always began with the international one: “I am a communist ...”

All the industrial achievements of the USSR are connected with the time of Stalin and his inertia, up to the nuclear project and the space program. But after the death of Stalin, the communist world utopia in the person of General Secretary NS. Khrushchev returned, and the USSR entered a period of stagnation and stagnation. By the way, Stalin's vilification of ideological opponents is connected, mainly, with his retreat from the foundations of Marxism-Leninism, which allegedly therefore resulted in political repression. This phenomenon of “devouring our children by the revolution” fully explains the Bertalanffy-Prigogine-Gumilev law, which we will sometime understand.

By 1991, the utopian form of the USSR had outlived itself, naturally giving rise, according to Kurginyan, to the “entry-in” pro-Western elite. Today, similar utopian processes of disintegration have struck the Western "world democracy", today it is "proud of its social system," as was once the USSR. The idea of ​​convergence of these “two systems” in the middle of the last century was not born from scratch, these two boots were one pair at one time, so the supposedly “antagonistic” utopias intuitively wanted to unite. Therefore, the USSR gave birth to the “entry-in” elite, and MS Gorbachev made the first one-sided step in the "universal human values"! And leftist intellectuals of the West still regret that the West deceived the USSR!

Stephen Cohen, a professor of history at New York and Princeton Universities, spoke about “rashage”: “We paid a terrible price. How about discrediting our institutions, presidency, elections? A crisis in the near future will surely come. ” Cohen sees this crisis in relations with Russia, although the “rashagate” has struck at American institutions of power.

American elites are divided: “Russian interference in the American elections is being investigated because Trump’s enemies are fundamentally opposed to cooperation with Moscow. Despite the fact that the prosecution has no evidence, Trump is bound hand and foot, the summit in Helsinki Trump - Putin is declared “treason”. It seems that Cohen simply does not want to say that the crisis can actually cover the United States, and not at all external relations with Russia, which are already minimized.

Trump's advent to American power exposed its inner core — the “deep state” that was previously attributed to conspiratorial inflamed imagination. It turns out that it really exists, and is capable of tying the president of the United States hand and foot. The essence of the “deep state” is an ordinary dictatorship, it dictates its will to the president of the United States at will. Dictatorship of who and what? Not the people or some "values", but part of the state elite, a conglomerate of financiers, business and special services. In general, there is no discovery in this, the theory of the elite economist and sociologist Wilfredo Pareto (1848-1923) said this long ago, but it is considered obsolete and is not recognized, as well as conspiracy therapists. Trump and his friends are an essential part of the American elite, this is the crisis of "American democracy."

Any power, in essence, is the dictatorship of a certain “deep state”, the apparatus of “legitimate violence”, it lies at the basis of any democracy, republic and enlightened monarchy, which are nothing more than the coming forms of this dictatorship. This was understood by Karl Marx, therefore he concluded that the “dictatorship of the proletariat” was necessary for the new communist society.

Kurginyan in his project USSR-2 comes close to this topic when he talks about our “entry elite” that this bad elite must go. And what will come for her replacement? The transformation of Putin's Russia in the USSR-2, which Kurginyan hints at, can be an event similar to the fall of the USSR, with all the ensuing consequences: either the creation of a certain USSR-2, or the collapse of Russia, which the West and especially the Bandera regime.

Our TV host Dmitry Nekrasov recently repeated the liberal credo in “60 minutes”: while Putin is in power, it will not work out with the West. He repeated the backs of Western propaganda: she dreams about it so much, she prophesies. Yes, many “humanists” dream of destroying Putin's Russia. In 1991, they decided that Russia and the USSR had finally collapsed, so today in the West such a heavy hangover is “rashageyt”. However, after the 1991 experience, the new collapse of Russia is in no way possible in the foreseeable future.

It is noteworthy that Vladimir Putin recently admitted that he first refused the offer of President Yeltsin to head the government, with a clear prospect of his presidency. Why?

Perhaps Vladimir Putin is a representative of our “deep state”, who managed to separate from the “entry-in” elite as early as the end of 90, which was fully established in the zero years, and began to play an independent game with Putin’s landmark Munich speech in 2007, . Our “deep state” refused to submit to the dictatorship of the “world order” of the West, in which Russia was prepared for the role of a disenfranchised colony, as Zbigniew Brzezinski frankly wrote about. We tell him for that thanks.

In the 2014 year, when the situation in the world after the American coup in Kiev was particularly tense, many commentators were puzzled: why is Putin so free to fly around the world, is not afraid of anything? After all, true humanists do not cost anything to blow up the next “dictator”! If all power is tied to Putin, you can’t risk it! Even today, Vladimir Putin moves around the world easily, even at weddings in Austria spontaneously peeks. This means that all Russian power on Putin is not at all tied, they understand this in the West and do not try to encroach on the Russian president.

Yes, Russia is ruled, as in America, by its “in-depth state,” Vladimir Putin is his bright authoritative representative, a good speaker, so why should we change his “in-depth state”? From the good of good not looking, as they say. Therefore, the departure sooner or later of Vladimir Putin from the presidency will not change anything. This can be guessed by Sergey Kurginyan, who, we note, has become today actually a Kremlin political scientist: he often appears in the program of Vladimir Solovyov.

When commentators on forums are nostalgic for the USSR-2, this is understandable, when political scientist Kurginyan comes out with this project, it is not entirely clear, because it is fundamentally impossible to build a new USSR, serious analysts do not even discuss it. The advancement of the USSR-2 project by Kurginyan brings us to the issue of power, it follows from this scenario as the main one, and Kurginyan stops here. Perhaps our “deep state” is preparing to change the form of power, to transition from “soft” democracy to some other, perhaps more “rigid” democracy with Putin at the head. Then Kurginyan prepares a reason for such a transformation if he is part of the “Kremlin elite,” or is used in the dark.

Perhaps this transformation will be called, informally, in a journalistic sense, even by the USSR-2, Western ideologists and Madame US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton unequivocally accuse Russia of trying to revive the USSR! Many of our commentators are embarrassed in this regard by our millionaires and the liberal economy. At the same time, they are absolutely not confused by millionaires and the liberal economy in communist red China! Should USSR-2 differ from USSR-1?
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  1. -4
    26 December 2018 09: 11
    As Putin said at his last meeting with the media, answering a journalist's question about the USSR: “It seems to me that the deep state of society is such that the restoration of socialism is in the sense that you, in my opinion, are investing in it - impossible. "

    Now I have a question for everyone - does anyone know in which USSR Kurginyan calls us, what is the point of 2.0 in the USSR? Either the sample of Trotsky-Lenin, or Stalin, or Khrushchev-Brezhnev, or Gorbachev. We already had one activist who called for perestroika, but did not explain what he understood by it: either to work twice as well, or to steal twice as much, and as a result the country did not. Would Kurginyan want to do the same with Russia?
    1. -9
      26 December 2018 09: 28
      Quote: Boris55
      Here I have a question for everyone - does anyone know which USSR is calling us to Kurginyan, what is the meaning of it in the USSR 2.0?

      Who is he anyway? There are enough "talkers" without him ...
      1. +31
        26 December 2018 09: 45
        . By 1991, the utopian form of the USSR had become obsolete

        And again twenty five! Why are you throwing this toxic thought to us from article to article? Although what utopianism of the USSR was expressed in, I did not understand.

        There was a serious problem in the irremovability, in the degeneration of the elites (as it is now no less acute!), But the people did not advocate the abolition of socialism. There was no struggle, no war. We would have lived like this for a hundred years, if at the top some of the elites did not decide to destroy the USSR. The people did not understand at first that the USSR was no more and capitalism had arrived. Everyone thought that the CIS was a continuation of the USSR. Nobody told us that capitalism, oligarchs, and seven-bankers will flourish further. The people cheated!
        1. -21
          26 December 2018 11: 06
          And again twenty five ...
          The poor people are not to blame for anything; they deceived him. (who are Martians?).
          The "people" understood socialism in a very peculiar way, namely, this is how - the state should "give everything" to the people, and in anticipation of this, the people themselves in the overwhelming majority pulled everything that was not fastened, nailed down, and welded.
          People stood in queues at the box offices of cinemas for foreign films, and after watching, they lamented - "So we have to, we must give everything. But they won't, because the" party "took everything for themselves. They eat at the expense of the people."
          And in the indispensable desire to live "like theirs," the people themselves invented market relations with the most original currency on earth - liquid.
          This is the people, the working class, so to speak. And there was still a people, part of it - the intelligentsia. These currencies were different, often real.
          1. +24
            26 December 2018 11: 25
            Quote: Mestny
            The poor people are not to blame for anything; they deceived him.

            The betrayal happened at the very top. The people no one asked if he wants capitalism. But with regard to the preservation of the USSR, there was an All-Union referendum in which the people unambiguously answered FOR the preservation.
            Quote: Mestny
            People stood in line at the box office movie theaters for foreign films

            And the Soviet too. Is it bad when there are queues in cinemas and museums? The cultural people were.
            Quote: Mestny
            and after watching he lamented - "So we must, we must give everything. But they will not give it, because the" party "took everything for themselves. They are fattening at the expense of the people."

            I did not lament. And I don’t remember the wailing around so.
            Quote: Mestny
            people invented market relations

            And why do you think that under socialism market relations are impossible? There are different forms. At the dawn of Soviet power was the NEP. This hour is China. In the last election, neither the Communists, nor Grudinin, offered to abandon private property and market relations.
            1. 0
              26 December 2018 12: 14
              But I remember just the opposite. Probably because he lived in a small town.
              By the way, I do not think at all that market relations are not possible. Everything is possible if it meets the parameters of a socially oriented device.
              The point is in the article about why the emergence of "entrance" elites became possible.
              Obviously, not understanding the reason for their occurrence, any new construction of the state expects the same fate.
              A clear and clear modern theory of building a new society is needed. But - it is not observed even close.
              This, in fact, is the main question and problem.
              1. 0
                27 December 2018 07: 18
                Watch carefully - there is progress, and Kurginyan is just about that.
            2. 0
              28 December 2018 13: 10
              Quote: Stas157
              In the last election, neither the Communists, nor Grudinin, offered to abandon private property and market relations.
              Did you read the CPSU program ???? !!! or did you on word do you believe?
              The Russian language in the program of the Communist Party says about the transition to PUBLIC ownership of means of production in the third stage !!!
              And if they OWN the program is not going to execute .... belay request
          2. 0
            16 March 2019 07: 39
            Quote: Mestny
            "So we must, we must be given everything. But they will not give it, because the" party members "took everything for themselves. They eat at the expense of the people."

            That's not true! I had a neighbor as a child, the son of the district committee secretary, we were friends. They lived in exactly the same apartment, the only difference was: - we had a local furniture set, but they had a "birch". By the way, both are Soviet-made!
            I remember another, there was an expression - "people know how to live" it is about Georgians in the markets, about blacksmiths from the Baltic states ...
        2. -7
          26 December 2018 11: 33
          Although what utopianism of the USSR was expressed in, I did not understand.

          What is the ideology of the state?
          Ideology is the totality of systematic ordered views ... on the basis of which the relationships of people are realized and evaluated ... to social reality in general and to each other ...

          As I see it, ideology is inextricably linked with the value system of the individual citizen. What system of values ​​did a Soviet citizen have? I did not live in the Soviet Union, so I don’t know, but if we summarize the enthusiastic comments and statements of the fans of the Soviet Union, then the main value of the Soviet citizen was the Motherland. Perhaps for the generation that went through the Great Patriotic War, it was so. A person had to fight specifically for something very valuable, more valuable than his own life. And what is Motherland? A person combined in this concept many others, such as his own home, family, small homeland, friends, invested in something of his own work ... but wait, all this can exist outside of his native state. Thus, an integral part of the Motherland is ... the people around a person, citizens of their native country, mostly unfamiliar. And, in my opinion, the value of the people of that generation was precisely in the fact that a person was ready to live and give his life for the sake of these people around him. And not for yourself, your family and friends. But the new generation, for some reason, was not ready for the same. Work for yourself, for your children? You are welcome. But others? No, why would it be? A person cannot relate to another in the same way as to himself without good reason. Because "man is a log to man." Not even a wolf. This can also include the attitude towards the state, because it is, first of all, the totality of the people around a person. This, as I see it, is one of the reasons for the utopian character of Soviet ideology and the concept of the Motherland associated with it.
          1. +16
            26 December 2018 11: 52
            Quote: Ginger
            in my opinion, the value of the people of that generation was precisely in the fact that the person was ready to live and give his life for the sake of these people around him. And not for yourself, your friends and relatives. But the new generation for some reason was not ready for the same thing. Work for yourself, for your children? You are welcome. But on others? No, why would it?

            Yes exactly. In the USSR, the ideology of the supremacy of the general over the particular prevailed. The ideology of collectivism. One for all and all for one.

            Today, on the contrary, the interests of the individual prevail over the general. Now the main thing is to love yourself beloved, and the rest - to spit. And so it is. Therefore, officials will never stop rowing for themselves.
            Quote: Ginger
            This, as I see it, is one of the reasons utopianism of Soviet ideology and the related concept of homeland.

            So it looks utopian now, from the point of view of the modern ideology of the egoist and the consumer, when many have already reformatted their brains. Then it was natural, normal, there was no utopianism of Soviet ideology.
            1. -4
              26 December 2018 12: 04
              Then it was natural, normal

              This was never natural, because in any person there is more bad than good.
              love yourself beloved, and the rest - do not care
              much easier than doing the opposite. Another thing is that the percentage of people going against nature was different in society. Because there was a generation that shed blood and sniffed gunpowder and found out that there was something more in life than one's own warm hut and a bowl of pottage. Good conscience, for example. Itself nearly died, but rescued comrades, did not scare. And now are there any prerequisites for the appearance of such people?
              1. +15
                26 December 2018 12: 12
                Quote: Ginger
                This was never natural, because in any person there is more bad than good.

                This is a moot point about what a person has more good or bad. But one cannot deny the fact that when collectivist, altruistic tendencies in people intensify, then this society begins to live better. It is more resistant to survival among other states. It is more comfortable for humans. Than the one in which everyone is for himself.
                1. -4
                  26 December 2018 12: 26
                  Maybe so, but you cannot put this unfounded statement as a simple, clear and understandable as "twice two - four" ideology.
                2. 0
                  28 December 2018 13: 12
                  Quote: Stas157
                  But one cannot deny the fact that when collectivist, altruistic tendencies in people intensify, then this society begins to live better. It is more resistant to survival among other states.
                  - that is, in Sweden there are "collectivist, altruistic inclinations" among people?
                  Quote: Stas157
                  It is more comfortable for humans. Than the one in which everyone is for himself.
                  Swedes in the know?
              2. 0
                16 March 2019 09: 11
                Quote: Ginger
                And now are there any prerequisites for the appearance of such people?

                But what about? if now there is no unifying force, Russia will disappear, die, and there will be no one to remember about the USSR.
            2. -7
              26 December 2018 12: 23
              For thousands of years of evolution, man has not been able to get rid of the stomach, which has to be periodically filled. If this is not done, the person dies. No ideology in the world can cancel this fact.
              The utopianism of Soviet ideology manifested itself precisely in the ultimate, absolute affirmation of the priority of the public over the personal. That is, not the very fact of such a priority, but the requirement of maximum adherence to it. Total control over the information space with the goal of any way to talk only about this. and of course about 100% success on this path.
              Obviously, a more flexible option was needed, using the personal interests of a particular person with benefit to society. Not in the form of loud slogans, but in the form of real actions. An excellent example of the Lenin NEP.
          2. +1
            27 December 2018 22: 31
            the main value of the Soviet citizen was the Motherland

            Exactly. Happiness for everyone, not "you die today and I will die tomorrow." The feeling of joy from belonging to something grandiose. Confidence in the future and that you are working hard today for the future of your children, who will definitely live better thanks to the creative work of their parents. And how do you feel today - are you sure of a bright future? As Putin recently said, addressing young people, you need to go into business for the sake of a significant result, and not in order to “beat the money”. I don’t know about the others, but I understood it this way - you work hard, and thanks to you, other, more respectable and respectable people will be driving the money. And then their children, and then the children of their children. The shooting of the royal family by the Bolsheviks was inevitable; the inexorable logic of the civil war led to it. And all these "the state owes you nothing" lead to its new historical turn, because our people still have a heightened sense of justice, and all sorts of clichés (their legion) only accelerate this process, increasing the potential energy of a compressed spring ...
      2. +1
        26 December 2018 18: 32
        The "Essence of Time" movement by Sergei Kurginyan has been criticized more than once. So - forget it. Everything is many times worse than we expected. Kurginyan created not just a protective and to some extent pro-fascist structure, not just a muddy business project, but also a real sect with mystical practices of "getting out of the body", "sharing entities", etc. Andrei Rudoy, ​​together with the Station Marx channel, traveled around the regions and prepared a special issue (in fact, a whole documentary film) dedicated to what the Essence of Time really is.
    2. +21
      26 December 2018 09: 31
      Quote: Boris55
      Now I have a question for everyone - does anyone know in which USSR Kurginyan calls us, what is the meaning of it in USSR 2.0?

      ----------------------
      Boris, this USSR-2.0 is quite understandable. The people of the post-Soviet space must understand that they will not survive in their quasi-states. That separate parts of once a single whole will be pitted, and territories should be plundered. Can it not be seen that the people suffer everywhere and that the nature of power in the post-Soviet space is the same everywhere? Probably there should be clear limits for oligarchic predators. To some extent, I understand the Chinese and Stalin, who periodically shot them.
      1. -8
        26 December 2018 09: 49
        Leo Tolstoy repeated Johnson's criticism, so that it became a story: "Patriotism is the last refuge ...." Today, such a refuge has become the "people", behind which there is only the opinion of another "Napoleon" who imagines himself to be the "people". It's sad ...
        1. +17
          26 December 2018 10: 35
          Any power, in essence, is ... apparatus of "legitimate violence"

          Yes, but at the same time, the power itself is either just (when there is no exploitation of man by man), or unjust (when a small handful "lawfully" appropriated 80% of all wealth). Which one do you choose?
          Vladimir Putin is his bright authoritative representative, good speaker

          Putin speaker ?? What is this speaker from the debate, how flees from the fire! No, he is not a speaker, he is the one who is shown on television in the right angles, with prepared questions. And this speaker’s speech is uncertain, sometimes confusing, soft (no matter how technologists try), there is no metal in it.
          the departure sooner or later of Vladimir Putin from the presidency will not change anything.

          But it’s scary to think about it, because it would not really happen worse. After all, look around who Putin gathered around him! Boyar is good - no. To whom will he give the reins if the villains are around ??
          no new USSR can be built in principle; serious analysts don’t even discuss it

          Serious analysts? Do you mean those who are closer to the Kremlin?
          How is it impossible to build if the USSR was already built? This is the same as declaring, after the first airplane flying, that another such one is impossible to build.
          1. -6
            26 December 2018 11: 12
            Quote: Stas157
            Any power, in essence, is ... the apparatus of "legitimate violence"

            Yes, but at the same time, the power itself is either just (when there is no exploitation of man by man), or unjust (when a small handful of "legal" means 80% of all wealth). Which one do you choose?

            Power is ALWAYS fair only for a certain part of citizens. Accordingly, for the other part, it is not fair.
            This is a basic property of any government in general, based on the diversity of the individual’s worldview. Which, in turn, is the basis of development through the provision of many options.
            How is it, the power, at the same time is called, and what justice is talking about - it does not matter.
            1. Underwater hunter
              +12
              26 December 2018 11: 26
              Quote: Mestny
              Power is ALWAYS fair only for a certain part of citizens. Accordingly, for the other part, it is not fair.

              It is absolutely correct, with clarification, that it is important that power be fair for the majority, and not for a small group of individuals. What do you think, when the power was fairer, under the USSR or now?
              1. -7
                26 December 2018 12: 31
                I will say this - for an ordinary citizen, power under the USSR was fairer than now, but not fair enough to continue development along the declared path.
                That's not the question.
                Let her be a thousand times fairer than the current one. But she is no more. So there are real reasons for the destruction of this power.
                Suppose the current government is less fair. Are there options for a smarter device? No, and is not yet expected, since a new construction of what has already collapsed, according to the same patterns, will again lead to the same result.
                But they are proposing to break the current unjust power now.
                1. Underwater hunter
                  +10
                  26 December 2018 12: 59
                  Quote: Mestny
                  but not fair enough to continue development along the declared path.

                  Thank you for the honest answer. The fact that power was fairer, and for the majority, this is already a great achievement of this power.

                  Quote: Mestny
                  but not fair enough to continue development along the declared path.

                  Here you already mix different things. For continued development, it was not necessary to betray. Just the communist elite betrayed, a matter that was supposed to develop. And accordingly, she betrayed the people. They simply sold out for the sake of a beautiful life.
                  If we talk about the reason for betrayal, then there are, as usual, several. And they are all in the plane of psychology or human vices. The thirst to live beautifully, move freely, enjoy all the benefits that are possible. It follows that it was necessary simply to reform the USSR, namely, to smoothly introduce the opportunity to develop private small and medium-sized businesses, open borders and reform the public administration system. In another way, you had to keep up with the times and keep your finger on the pulse.
                  And when Gorbachev came to power, I thought that everything would be so, but he turned out to be a weak and corrupt man, and not far-sighted. Under beautiful slogans, they simply fooled the Soviet people. So, it was possible to continue development in a socialist spirit, both then and now. A Russian person will always have a request for social justice. And this request has been satisfied successfully for more than 70 years.

                  Quote: Mestny
                  Are there options for a smarter device? No, and not yet in sight.

                  Well, no. Of course have. The Communist Party offers, the only party that had a real program in this election. Moreover, small and medium-sized businesses, as well as the right to private property, remain in this program. In fact, the proposed program from the Communist Party is nothing else, a program that has corrected the mistakes of the past.



                  Quote: Mestny
                  But they are proposing to break the current unjust power now.

                  And the longer this power clings to the oars, the more persistent such proposals will be. It is obvious. The authorities again stopped hearing and paying attention to their people, this never led to anything good.
            2. +9
              26 December 2018 11: 33
              Quote: Mestny
              Power is ALWAYS fair only for a certain part of citizens.

              Yes, if class separation is present. In the USSR there was no division into classes (there were no exploiters). Therefore, one cannot say that in the USSR everything was built only for one part of society, unlike today's oligarchic Russia. All the same, answer the question so that you can continue the conversation further:
              Quote: Stas157
              power itself can be either just (when there is no exploitation of man by man), or unjust (when a small handful "lawfully" appropriated 80% of all wealth). Which one do you choose?
              1. -7
                26 December 2018 12: 47
                A counter-offer is a power that is slowly but still leading the country forward, or the power of rally talkers with "social" slogans, but without the slightest signs of any reasonable plan.
                Which of these do you choose?
                It's me that our views and understanding of power are very different. As indeed the vast majority of citizens.
                1. Underwater hunter
                  +7
                  26 December 2018 13: 11
                  Quote: Mestny
                  The counter proposal is a power that slowly, but still leads the country forward,

                  Where it leads is the question. Oil prices collapsed and that's it, they sailed .. retirement age, VAT and other "delights". This power leads us into the abyss.
                  Quote: Mestny
                  whether the power of rally talkers with "social" slogans, but without the slightest signs of any reasonable plan.

                  Socialists are not allowed to power a cannon shot; therefore, it remains to speak of this. But the Communist Party has a clear plan. Here Putin before the election, just a plan then, didn’t have any, or rather didn’t voice it, he deceived the people.
                2. +4
                  26 December 2018 13: 56
                  Quote: Mestny
                  a power that slowly but still leads the country forward

                  What front end? What is the purpose of our state, you can answer ?? To this the Guarantor himself cannot say anything intelligible! A state without a national idea is like a boat without a sail, which is thrown from side to side.
                  Quote: Mestny
                  or the power of rally talkers with "social" slogans, but without the slightest signs of any reasonable plan

                  The Communists and the left, at least this idea there is. And there is a magnificent example, a prototype of what the country needs to lead to - a just socialist state. Once our people have already accepted this idea with great enthusiasm. There is no doubt that he will accept it now. Because the gloomy future of terry capitalism, and the dominance of bureaucrats and oligarchs, few people are attracted to.
            3. +8
              26 December 2018 12: 07
              Quote: Mestny
              Power is ALWAYS fair only for a certain part of citizens.

              no doubt! But in the USSR it was a majority, and now a minority of citizens
          2. +1
            26 December 2018 15: 03
            To whom will he give the reins


            First, let him take these "reins" in his own hands, then to give it back. As they put it, they will change it for another in due time ..
        2. +11
          26 December 2018 12: 05
          Quote: Victor Kamenev
          "Patriotism is the last refuge ...." Today the "people" have become such a refuge, behind which there is only the opinion of another "Napoleon" who imagines himself to be the "people". It's sad ...

          It seems to me that the authorities invented a simple formula for their existence: patriotism to the people, grandmothers to the closest circle.
          While the divided population finds out who is more patriotic, the top cuts grandmothers and laughs at people.
      2. -10
        26 December 2018 10: 15
        Quote: Altona
        separate parts of once a single whole will bleed and plunder territories.

        And so it happens. Only on what principles to unite - on the Stalinist ones, when each republic provides for itself and only pays "contributions" to a common boiler for general needs (defense, all-Union construction projects) or but on the model of the late USSR, when everything earned goes to a cent and from there is distributed according to the degree of loyalty? Putin is building the Union according to the Stalinist principle - as they sink, they burst.
        1. +5
          26 December 2018 10: 49
          You confuse something, in our country everything is sucked out of the regions and then in the form of handouts it is scattered to the regions somewhere (for example, in the Caucasus and Crimea a lot), and somewhere (for example, old Russian regions (Pskov, Novgorod, Kostroma, Yaroslavl less ). And so the loyalty of the local kings, who live in tranches from the center, is formed.
          How do you think the subject can provide for himself if it is impossible to build a bridge, for example, across the Volga (or a bridge across the Lena, hi curve line) with the money of the region? It is impossible to build even a large antennal interchange. In Yaroslavl, by the way, since 2019, the mandatory benefits for large families with a happy new year have been removed).

          P.S. on such conditions, "brotherly" countries will never unite with us, finance and taxes - one of a hundred reasons.
        2. +11
          26 December 2018 12: 08
          Quote: Boris55
          Only here on what principles to unite

          the elites that have arisen do not agree to this under any sauce. Therefore, the issue will not be resolved without the elimination of these elites
        3. +8
          26 December 2018 12: 12
          Quote: Boris55
          Putin is building the Union on the Stalinist principle - both drowned and dug

          Yeah. And the best "employees" of Putin's union are Moscow and Grozny, the rest are all idlers. wassat
        4. -2
          27 December 2018 10: 01
          Putin is building the Union on the Stalinist principle - both drowned and dug.

          Yeah, in Chechnya, obviously, a huge amount of production capacities of the Russian Federation is concentrated? How wretched are the lackeys of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
      3. Underwater hunter
        +16
        26 December 2018 10: 16
        When commentators at forums are nostalgic for USSR-2, it’s understandable when political scientist Kurginyan comes out with this project, it’s not entirely clear, because it’s fundamentally impossible to build a new USSR, serious analysts don’t even discuss it.

        Very often I began to hear that it was impossible to build the USSR, that the USSR was utopia, and so on. In fact, all these articles are similar to the propaganda of the current government. Indeed, the population of the country, as polls show, is increasingly looking for the return of the USSR. The author does not give any arguments at all, he simply insists on the idea that the USSR is impossible.
        I believe that the USSR is possible and everything is possible, if desired. But of course, not the USSR that we remember, but a new, updated one. To do this, you need to take all the best from there and work on the mistakes, which were not few in the USSR either. In my opinion, the worst were taken from the USSR and transferred today, moreover, the worst are actively developing.
        People want to live in a socially oriented state. To the population, there is no difference how it will be called the USSR, Russia, or something else. The main thing is that the state would be socially oriented. And what, you want to say that this is not possible? For the USSR to appear, the creation work needs to start with Russia, Russia will be strong, economically, Russia will have an attractive form of existence for the peoples of the Russian Federation, everyone will be drawn to us. Why are everyone drawn to Europe? Yes, because there life is richer, richer and fairer. What is not possible in Russia? Of course available.
        1. -8
          26 December 2018 11: 17
          It is possible of course.
          It depends on how. For example, with the help of the color revolution, it is impossible unambiguously.
          More precisely, I would say so - this is possible with some degree of probability, but after the next gigantic upheavals, casualties, destruction of the country and other things.
          All other methods take decades.
          1. Underwater hunter
            +6
            26 December 2018 11: 28
            Quote: Mestny
            All other methods take decades.

            Provided that there will be fair elections, without the involvement of the administrative resource by the authorities, this will happen quickly.
          2. +10
            26 December 2018 12: 10
            Quote: Mestny
            For example, with the help of the color revolution, it is impossible unambiguously.

            here I agree.
            That's just a catch, Sergey, that the authorities did not leave the population any other ways to change living conditions
      4. -6
        26 December 2018 11: 54
        I liked the article, just as I liked Putin's words about the impossibility of restoring the USSR in the form that the adherents of communist ideas understand it. The idea is utopian, the idea is Western, the idea of ​​building the Tower of Babel, the idea of ​​an earthly paradise, an anti-national and globalist idea. I am personally convinced that life on earth is the path to happiness. The road to it, which must be passed. Get it right. The more people follow this road, the more just the society. Any person who at least once seriously thinks about being begins to understand that the laws that determine it operate in the world around us. Any intervention and attempts to "improve" on the part of mankind the very foundations of existence lead to disasters, chaos and rivers of blood. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Many laws of being are not clear to us and probably not our mind at all. And they certainly do not obey the theorists of Marxism - Leninism! Was there a betrayal that undermined the USSR? It was. Was there a reborn elite that was not already a Bolshevik? It was, but it has been for a long time. It was not this that undermined and destroyed the USSR. The USSR collapsed due to the unnaturalness of its existence. Rather, because of ideology completely divorced from reality. We can say that the Bolsheviks gave me land and everything around the collective farm, everything around mine! But in fact, I don't have any land! In fact, it turns out that no one has anything of their own, and to lower the majority to a level below the average are completely different things with social justice. Are we internationalists? Well, of course everything! But from this the Negro in Angola for some reason did not become closer and dearer to me than even the unlucky but such his own and dear neighbor Vasya! It turned out that it is impossible to take and prohibit nationality! You cannot take and defeat private property! A man generally gravitates towards his family! TO YOUR HOUSE! TO OWN people! OWN homeland! So that's it. It can be good and even fun in the hostel! The hotel is cool, but temporary! A person should live in HIS HOUSE ON HIS LAND AND IN YOUR COUNTRY! And all this earthly happiness Russian people will definitely defend to the last patron, to the last drop of blood and breath!
    3. +6
      26 December 2018 09: 36
      Boris! I think that in the Stalinist Union.
      1. -3
        26 December 2018 10: 16
        Quote: NordUral
        Boris! I think that in the Stalinist Union.

        It would be nice, but judging by the fact that you were minus, the "comrades" have a different idea of ​​the USSR 2.0. That is why I have asked the same question again and again, but there is no answer.
    4. +6
      26 December 2018 09: 41
      Quote: Boris55
      Either the sample of Trotsky-Lenin, or Stalin, or Khrushchev-Brezhnev,

      Well, you created a pair. There is no Lenin-Trotsky communism; there is Lenin Stalin. There is no Khrushchev Brezhnev either, there is Khrushchev-Trotsky and there is Brezhnev.

      I don’t know what the Kurghinians are proposing. For me, he is just a talker and that’s it.
      1. -3
        26 December 2018 10: 18
        Quote: solzh
        There is no Lenin-Trotsky communism

        I'm not talking about communism, I'm talking about the USSR 2.0.
        1. -2
          26 December 2018 10: 33
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: solzh
          There is no Lenin-Trotsky communism

          I'm not talking about communism, I'm talking about the USSR 2.0.

          hi
          I do not understand you.
          In my opinion, Kurginyan himself does not really understand what kind of USSR he calls to and what he understands as USSR 2.0. Maybe some Eurasian union of peoples? It seemed like there was such a project, or maybe I'm confusing something, in the late 80s and early 90s. I do not know. I repeat, for me he is just a talker.
          1. +5
            26 December 2018 12: 12
            Quote: solzh
            Maybe some Eurasian union of peoples?

            so the Eurasian Union is already there, but there are no results. The elites who created it put their understanding of this Union
            1. -3
              26 December 2018 12: 56
              Quote: Silvestr
              so the Eurasian Union already exists

              I didn’t mean today's EurAsEC, but a project like the Gorbachev-Yakovlev project for reforming the USSR, I don’t remember exactly, I was still a pioneer at that time ... In any case, that project was utopian, I remember that for sure.
        2. 0
          26 December 2018 15: 14
          USSR- Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. What is 2.0? There are Socialist Republics, Soviets as governing bodies, but there is no communism. Yes, and Marxism too. Strange as that. The sect of idealists Kurginyan, KOB, Khazins, NOD simply brainwave the citizens, they discuss everything about the elite, but dissect them, they bite about the correctness of their theories among themselves. They split and fragment the request for left movement and do not answer the main question ... Who should own the bowels, plants, ships? WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC BASIS?
    5. -6
      26 December 2018 11: 26
      Nor will there be any USSR 2 and others, that's all - they have passed, a long time ago.
      1. +9
        26 December 2018 11: 31
        Recently in St. Petersburg there was a rally disagreeing with the policies of the current authorities. Here is the resolution that the protesters adopted. Just for reference:


        1. 0
          28 December 2018 13: 46
          Quote: Snail N9
          Recently in St. Petersburg there was a rally disagreeing with the policies of the current authorities. Here is the resolution that the protesters adopted. Just for reference

          and cool requirements !!!
          especially about the rejection of digitalization in the field of public services !!!
          I am like "damned bureaucrat" - FOR!!! All for paper inquiries - to me !!!! In turn !!! and better let them crawl on their knees fool fool fool - we have been reduced very much, a noble queue will be, a bribe-consuming ...
          ZY the authors of this resolution apparently forgot the USSR formula: "Without a piece of paper, you are an insect, but with a piece of paper, a man !!!

          Also very cool about cancellation vaccination requirements ...
          The USSR was terribly liberoid - once 100% of the population forced to be vaccinated

          also about the prohibition of the selection of children - i.e. if papa / mama are drunkards and feed the children once IN WEEK - you can’t take it away ... let the children die, if only they wouldn’t take it away ... a good call ....

          Z.Y. It seems that some thugs wrote it stoned in the trash
          1. 0
            28 December 2018 13: 56
            As for "digitalization", let's not, because it is not "instead", but .... "together" - that is. electronic accounting did not replace "paper circulation" at all, it was simply supplemented with "electronic" circulation - now, instead of "typing", everything is printed on a computer and also, printed and stored in paper form along with an "electronic copy". Try somewhere, as, for example, in the same France, come and say that my document is on the appropriate site-look, check, -fig you- "Submit printed paper, and even with original stamps!" I go through this in business more than once a month. As for vaccination, a controversial issue, I personally am for vaccination, but unfortunately no one in modern conditions can guarantee that together with the vaccine, which is almost 100% obtained from the "west", you will not be planted with any antigens that will affect not only you yourself in the future, but also on your offspring, if it will still be after that. I think this is what those who are against vaccination, which is carried out precisely in modern conditions by Western vaccines, had in mind (do not confuse it with the state program in the USSR).
            1. +1
              28 December 2018 17: 30
              Quote: Snail N9
              As for "digitalization", let's not, because it is not "instead", but .... "together" - that is. electronic accounting did not in the least replace "paper circulation", it was simply supplemented with "electronic" circulation - now, instead of "typing", everything is printed on a computer and also, printed and stored in paper form along with an "electronic copy"
              - due to the fact that I am a "bureaucrat" - you can not tell me all this, I am aware of the existing problems. And even more - for a number of reasons I can tell about the problems with this in several government agencies .... there are many of them, where -to solve them is easier - somewhere it is much more difficult
              One of the problems is that our population still believes in paper ....
              When the certificates were canceled in Rosreestre, people went to the prosecutor's office for six months with the slogan - "And we were not given a beautiful certificate on the form - we were given some kind of incomprehensible piece of paper. Let them give it - REAL !!!"
              Customs, for example, almost 100% switched to electronic declaration

              ZY They don’t like the assignment of numbers, SNILS is bad ...... But the fact that they were assigned passport numbers back in the USSR and these numbers made it possible even then to process information (albeit at a fairly primitive and limited level) - these craps fool fool didn’t even understand ...

              Z.Y. and about the colonial article of the Constitution is also a masterpiece. They did not read the Constitution of the USSR ... fool

              "Article 29. Relations between the USSR and other states are built on the basis of observance of the principles of sovereign equality; mutual refusal to use force or the threat of force; inviolability of borders; territorial integrity of states; peaceful settlement of disputes; non-interference in internal affairs; respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms; equality and the right of peoples to decide their own destiny, cooperation between states; conscientious fulfillment of obligations arising from universally recognized principles and norms of international law, from international treaties concluded by the USSR.
    6. 0
      26 December 2018 21: 29
      And listen to something from "The Essence of Time" - not? Much is described there. And about the volumes / elements of borrowing from the USSR-1, about the admission of private entrepreneurship. activities, about the involvement of traditional religious societies in civil life, society-TV with strong national ties and the revision of the ideological component.
    7. 0
      11 January 2019 15: 34
      Democracy lives only in the first STAGES of its history, in the end it destroys itself. Those. The upper classes do not want to, but the lower classes cannot. And then a new race of the historical event. And everything is new, but in fact, according to the "forgotten-abandoned old rake" but on a new SCREW OF HISTORY.
  2. +16
    26 December 2018 09: 13
    because it’s fundamentally impossible to build a new USSR, serious analysts don’t even discuss it.
    -----------------------
    Those analysts who eat from the Kremlin bowl, of course, will not say this, but in general it is quite possible to build USSR-2.0. Otherwise, why all these Big Date and blockchains. People themselves can discuss bills and find opinion leaders. In Iceland, it turned out. And by the way, yes, history moves in a spiral.
    1. 0
      26 December 2018 09: 30
      Quote: Altona
      but in general to build the USSR-2.0 is quite possible

      Share how?
      1. Underwater hunter
        +14
        26 December 2018 10: 40
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: Altona
        but in general to build the USSR-2.0 is quite possible

        Share how?

        This is of course a big topic, so this is the main thing.
        In general, you can answer your question briefly, there is a Communist Party program that was presented in the election campaign.
        But the first thing to do is to hold honest, real elections.
        The second is to bring the Communist Party program to life.
        And only then, we can talk about the USSR, when life in Russia will become attractive to the rest of the world. And this is primarily the economy and social responsibility of the state.
        What needs to be done in the economy?
        - To revive mechanical engineering, light industry ... in general, it’s a long time to list, since we have practically nothing. To do this, the state should determine priority sectors and set a plan, calculated, defined in time.
        - Science, education and the system itself, the approach must be changed.

        In general, this is really, serious work that needs to be done. And now, for our liberals, the market itself, supposedly, regulates everything, so they don’t do anything, because you can always mow the market, saying that he adjusted everything like that. Go with the flow, when you need to work.
        1. -2
          26 December 2018 10: 47
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          - To revive mechanical engineering, light industry ... in general, it’s a long time to list, since we have practically nothing. To do this, the state should determine priority sectors and set a plan, calculated, defined in time.
          - Science, education and the system itself, the approach must be changed.

          This is all good, I do not mind, but how can they live together in one common state, for example, Abkhazians, Georgians, Russians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, etc., and especially the elites of these now independent states? I think it’s impossible. Why not direct efforts to Russia, so as not to repeat the mistakes of the USSR?
          1. Underwater hunter
            +11
            26 December 2018 10: 53
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Why not direct efforts to Russia, so as not to repeat the mistakes of the USSR?

            So you need to start with Russia, as I wrote above, when in Russia itself life will become attractive, then others will stretch. Economics, social justice, are two key factors.
            Quote: Tank Hard
            This is all good, I do not mind, but how can they live together in one common state, for example, Abkhazians, Georgians, Russians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, etc., and especially the elites of these now independent states?

            And how did they live under the USSR? Experience is already there. Or how does the European Union get along?
            1. -3
              26 December 2018 11: 00
              Quote: Underwater Hunter
              And how did they live under the USSR?

              During the USSR, the peoples of each other did not cut out in such numbers.
              Quote: Underwater Hunter
              Or how does the European Union get along?

              And what, the European Union is a single state identical to the former USSR? It seems to me that it doesn’t closely resemble, and not one ...
              Quote: Underwater Hunter
              Already have experience

              If we consider, for example, the transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, or part of Siberia of the Kazakh SSR, and the like, I consider this experience to be sharply negative. This is how Karabakh will be divided?
              1. Underwater hunter
                +9
                26 December 2018 11: 08
                Quote: Tank Hard
                And how did they live under the USSR? They did not slaughter each other's peoples in the USSR in such numbers.

                What are you talking about? can you have statistics on "cutting" available?
                Quote: Tank Hard
                Or how does the European Union get along? And what, is the European Union a single state identical to the former USSR? It seems to me that it doesn’t closely resemble, and not one ...

                In an alliance, the main thing is when the state shares its sovereignty. For a union, it is enough to have a single currency, a common army, one decision center ..


                Quote: Tank Hard
                If we consider, for example, the transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, or part of Siberia of the Kazakh SSR, and the like, I consider this experience to be sharply negative.

                I agree.
                1. +1
                  26 December 2018 17: 09
                  Quote: Underwater Hunter
                  Are you talking about?

                  Georgian - Abkhaz conflict, Armenian - Azerbaijani, Kyrgyz - Uzbek. You forgot? Or were there no victims?
                2. 0
                  26 December 2018 17: 11
                  Quote: Underwater Hunter
                  In an alliance, the main thing is when the state shares its sovereignty. For a union, it is enough to have a single currency, a common army, one decision-making center.

                  Abkhazians and Georgians, Armenians and Azerbaijanis in one army, in one platoon. Friendship world, chewing gum ... I love reading fiction. Yes
                  1. Underwater hunter
                    0
                    26 December 2018 17: 22
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Quote: Underwater Hunter
                    In an alliance, the main thing is when the state shares its sovereignty. For a union, it is enough to have a single currency, a common army, one decision-making center.

                    Abkhazians and Georgians, Armenians and Azerbaijanis in one army, in one platoon. Friendship world, chewing gum ... I love reading fiction. Yes

                    Listen, well, this is a technical issue that is easy enough to resolve. The issue with the Chechens was resolved. Let them serve at home. In parallel, it is necessary to work with such nationalities that have historical claims to each other. It will take years, but if you work, then through a generation, all these conflicts will not look so sharp.
                    1. +2
                      26 December 2018 18: 24
                      Quote: Underwater Hunter
                      Listen, well, this is a technical issue that is easy enough to resolve. The issue with the Chechens was resolved.

                      They didn’t decide anything. Everything has calmed down for the time being. So far, Putin, subsidies, business and money. And how will it flare up again?
                      Quote: Underwater Hunter
                      Let them serve at home

                      What a You Decided.
                      Quote: Underwater Hunter
                      It will take years, but if you work, then through a generation, all these conflicts will not look so sharp.

                      My grandfather, a war hero, an order bearer, and a visually impaired group 1 (a consequence of shell shock), was beaten by a group of young people on ethnic grounds in the mid-90s, we were looking for them with friends, but we didn’t find ... Do you think I forgot this ?!
                      And you believe, your right ... Yes
                      1. Underwater hunter
                        0
                        26 December 2018 18: 47
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Underwater Hunter
                        Listen, well, this is a technical issue that is easy enough to resolve. The issue with the Chechens was resolved.

                        They didn’t decide anything. Everything has calmed down for the time being. So far, Putin, subsidies, business and money. And how will it flare up again?
                        Quote: Underwater Hunter
                        Let them serve at home

                        What a You Decided.
                        Quote: Underwater Hunter
                        It will take years, but if you work, then through a generation, all these conflicts will not look so sharp.

                        My grandfather, a war hero, an order bearer, and a visually impaired group 1 (a consequence of shell shock), was beaten by a group of young people on ethnic grounds in the mid-90s, we were looking for them with friends, but we didn’t find ... Do you think I forgot this ?!
                        And you believe, your right ... Yes

                        If you use your approach, then Russia would not exist. We are a multinational state and once, between different nations there were conflicts. But over time, everyone forgot about them, well, or almost forgot. For your grandfather really need to weigh the lyuley. But there are many private conflicts across the country, unfortunately, but this does not mean that nations are not able to get along. We need a competent national policy, and naturally, those who beat your grandfather need to be found and judiciously judged in all severity.
                      2. +2
                        26 December 2018 19: 32
                        Quote: Underwater Hunter
                        those who beat your grandfather need to be found and judiciously judged in all severity.

                        Empty words ... Words without deeds are dead.
            2. -2
              26 December 2018 11: 29
              To Russia, and so the people from all the former republics are stretching for work, several million a year.
          2. +7
            26 December 2018 12: 13
            Quote: Tank Hard
            and especially the elites of these now independent states?

            you have to say goodbye to them
            1. 0
              27 December 2018 09: 03
              Quote: Silvestr
              you have to say goodbye to them

              Here I support this, except for the robbery of my own peoples I do not see anything in them. How can you just say goodbye?
    2. -10
      26 December 2018 09: 34
      Quote: Altona
      Otherwise, why all these Big Date and blockchains.

      To build a digital economy, state capitalism with a human face! There is a program, cadres and leaders of Russia from among them are being actively prepared.
      1. FID
        +15
        26 December 2018 09: 42
        Quote: You Vlad
        capitalism with a human face! There is a program, cadres are actively being prepared, leaders of Russia from among them

        Capitalism with a human face .... Leaders of Russia ... Do you have any examples of all this? At least one "leader of Russia" or "the human face of capitalism" - be so kind as to imagine, if it doesn't bother you ...
        1. -8
          26 December 2018 10: 34
          Quote: SSI
          Leaders of Russia ... Do you have any examples of all this? At least one "leader of Russia"

          https://лидерыроссии.рф/winners
        2. Underwater hunter
          +11
          26 December 2018 10: 55
          Quote: SSI
          Capitalism with a human face

          These are mutually exclusive concepts.
      2. +16
        26 December 2018 10: 07
        You Vlad! In capitalism, a human face, or rather a mask, appeared only because it was the USSR. As he was gone, so this mask began to slide, returning to the eyes of the world the face of a predator.
        1. -8
          26 December 2018 11: 03
          Quote: NordUral
          In capitalism, a human face, or rather a mask, appeared only because it was the USSR.

          I remember, and I remember well the shops of the USSR!
          1. +9
            26 December 2018 11: 06
            I remember, and I remember well the shops of the USSR!
            I will not comment, it's silly to do it in your case.
            1. -9
              26 December 2018 11: 09
              Quote: NordUral
              I will not comment, it's silly to do it in your case.

              I also think so, why do you look stupid?
              1. +8
                26 December 2018 11: 19
                I also think so, why do you look stupid?
                And I will not argue with you.
  3. +12
    26 December 2018 09: 16
    Our TV traveler Dmitry Nekrasov recently repeated in 60 minutes the liberal credo: while Putin is in power, it will not work to agree with the West.
    The West will perceive any attempt to agree as a weakness. And in this case it is necessary to agree endlessly, making one concession after another. Gorbachev tried to negotiate with the West and negotiating ruined the state. And EBN also agreed. We remember. To the goof such contracts.
  4. +15
    26 December 2018 09: 26
    Listen, dear, maybe catch this Viktor Kamenev and tie his hands a little bit? He has such courage as a writer, but should we read all this? wink He is "perfectly satisfied" with the polemic, huh? As inaccuracies begin from the 4th paragraph, so it raced on. It is very difficult to read, you constantly stumble about absurdity.
    Victor, with the upcoming! The word should be like a surgeon’s tool or a sniper pool - it should achieve the goal (every word) and clearly express your thought-out (according to G.K. Chesterton) thought. Only in this way and not otherwise will you gain the appreciation and respect of your readers. Well, our goodwill will not leave you in the coming year. Read more! Read more! hi
    1. -2
      26 December 2018 09: 54
      Please provide your instrument, surgeon!
      1. +6
        26 December 2018 10: 34
        He is in my answer, patient)) hi I thought through my thought to the end and expressed it precisely with those words that exactly corresponded to the thought.
        1. 0
          26 December 2018 13: 46
          Your thought and your words. Only.
          1. +1
            26 December 2018 14: 18
            Of course! How else? everyone must do it for himself. Some, however, have lawyers and spokespersons, but this is not for all occasions. However, for those who choose a word with their earnings, such a question about the accuracy of expression of thoughts and their thought-out is a question of professional competence, do not you find?
            1. +1
              26 December 2018 15: 20

              Of course! How else?


              What did you expect from the author? Articles of the level "The military program of the proletarian revolution"? Here, even in simple, albeit complex words, the question is simple. "Where are we heading and what's next?" Will you be able to answer, please go to the table.
              As for my opinion, the article is so weak for a "collection of essays", for VO just right. The site exists because of discussions and comments, and not because of the "deep meaning" in the articles.
  5. +14
    26 December 2018 09: 35
    Many of our commentators are embarrassed by our millionaires and the liberal economy.

    Of course it’s embarrassing, maybe there are millionaires who became such having created their own business from scratch, but the bulk became millionaires thanks to the economic chaos of the 90s. Most millionaires have made their millions by criminal means.
    We do not have a liberal economy, we have oligarchic type capitalism.
    Moreover, they are not at all confused by millionaires and the liberal economy in communist red China!

    laughing
    Only the party in power remained from red China. And to be honest, I have always been to China ...
    accuse Russia of trying to revive the USSR!

    And also in the revival of the Russian empire.
    USSR voluntary fall

    Wow, the voluntary fall of the USSR ... Three ghouls gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha destroyed the state, and the fourth marked ghoul easily agreed with this and relinquished his powers and that's it. All of them worked out their Western "trust" ... All of them did not see the Soviet system, although it was the Soviet system that allowed them to take leading positions ... But you say voluntarily ... The Baltic riot police have forgotten how they preserved, tried to preserve, Baltics as part of a union state?
    The slogan "All power to the Soviets" has not yet been canceled. The transition to the Soviet system must begin now, capitalism cannot lead our country out of economic problems, and even more so solve them due to the fact that under capitalism the main thing is the thirst for profit.
    1. +3
      26 December 2018 09: 55
      capitalism cannot get our country out of economic problems


      Or maybe capitalism is not a problem at all, but a country? Give them what kind of system you want and they will turn it into an oligarchy?
      1. +8
        26 December 2018 10: 26
        Capitalism and oligarchy go hand in hand. Without capitalism, there is no oligarchy. So capitalism is the problem.
        1. +5
          26 December 2018 10: 32
          With all due respect, but in Germany there is no oligarchy in your concept. Unfortunately, there is neoliberalism, but you have almost none. So capitalism and the oligarchy are not identical or different everywhere. Proof ....? Well Weber - Protestant ethics and the spirit of capitalism.
          1. +6
            26 December 2018 10: 42
            I don’t know about Germany ...
            I know that our country definitely does not need neoliberalism. And thank God that we do not have neoliberalism.
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            capitalism and the oligarchy are not identical or are different everywhere.

            Agree, the oligarchy appears only under capitalism. An oligarchy without capitalism is simply not possible.

            And how is the situation with the oligarchy in your country? Do you have oligarchs? And what do your people think about socialism and capitalism? Is the society in this matter divided as well or not? hi
            1. +5
              26 December 2018 10: 57
              I know that our country definitely does not need neoliberalism.


              Dear friend, neoliberalism is nowhere needed. This is a harmful utopia that destroys the moral of society. Healthy morality based on normal ethics - work, modesty, children, family. Do not brag about money. Your old faith has a similarity with the classic, Weberian Protestant ethics.

              And how is the situation with the oligarchy in your country? Do you have oligarchs?


              Of course there are oligarchs. But in each country and culture they are different. In China, the oligarchs are technogenic, in Japan it is based on their culture, in Shchaty it is based on trade lobbyism, and so on.

              In our country, oligarchs back up but within the framework of the law. They often go to court and society limits them as they can. This is a constant struggle for rights and the rule of law. We exclude what the oligarchs do for you.

              And what do your people think about socialism and capitalism? Is the society in this matter divided as well or not?


              Socialism for us is utopia, the same as neoliberalism. The society is not divided, but we do not have such a complex history as yours - it is the Empire, Belle, Krasnoye, and so on. With the exception of the 45 years of socialism, we always lived under capitalism, and until the 1944 years, the power flourished under it. Now you just need to kill neoliberalism and work for the economy, the welfare of people and the moral of society. The change of several regimes - socialism, neoliberal capitalism inevitably plunges society into chaos. But (according to sociological theory) for 50-100 years, everything will come to order.
              1. +4
                26 December 2018 11: 00
                Thanks for the answer hi
              2. 0
                26 December 2018 22: 54
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                Socialism for us is utopia, the same as neoliberalism.

                Socialism is not utopia, but inevitability, in fact, like communism in the future.
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                Now you just need to kill neoliberalism

                As it turns out, everything is simple.
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                But (according to sociological theory) in 50-100 years everything will come to order.

                Well yes. If in a hundred years it does not get worse, then it will certainly become better. Throw these theories into a landfill, read better than Marx, Lenin and Stalin. And most importantly, try to understand them.
          2. -1
            26 December 2018 11: 23
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            So capitalism and the oligarchy are not identical or different everywhere. Proof ....?

            C'mon, how do theirs (oligarchs) big business owners differ from ours? Wings? winked
            1. +3
              26 December 2018 13: 48
              C'mon, how do theirs (oligarchs) big business owners differ from ours? Wings?


              Vlad, they asked a difficult question to which there is no simple and short answer. But the oligarchs were mixed with large, legitimate business. Some are beneficial to society, while others steal from the state and society.

              I don’t know why you were minuscule, but I’ll put you a plus, they asked a completely normal question.
              1. +5
                26 December 2018 14: 11
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                I don’t know why you were minus

                You know, I noticed that there is a certain contingent on the site who quietly put a minus without entering into discussion and without any explanation of their position.
              2. -1
                26 December 2018 15: 01
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                Some are beneficial to society, while others steal from the state and society.

                So there are a lot of such oligarchs (owners of big business) in all countries, and those who benefit and those who steal from the state. But the Russians are called oligarchs, and in the rest of the world the same contingent is respected businessmen! In general, I noticed oligarchs who are appointed he’ll hit the stream of American politics. And they immediately find, you know, dictators, oligarchs, and the lack of democracy.
                1. 0
                  26 December 2018 23: 08
                  There is a great fantastic series "Space. (" Expansion ")". https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/prostranstvo-2015-805092/
                  Look, our future is well shown there, without all sorts of communist dreams and pink snot. Curiously, the future of Russia and its allies is shown there, as a result of the war, Russia will have to be faded to .... Mars and its colonization and terranization. But the behavior of the remaining community is also fun, it will also continue to see its enemy in this Martian colony and will continue to provoke it and discredit it in the faces of the entire earthly community. Look, you will not regret it.
                  1. 0
                    27 December 2018 07: 48
                    Quote: Snail N9
                    Look, our future is well shown there, without all sorts of communist dreams and pink snot. Curiously, the future of Russia and its allies is shown there, as a result of the war, Russia will have to fade to

                    Why should I watch fairy tales from a storyteller? belayI’m far from understanding your position, or rather it’s hard for me to understand! That's not when this was not, but here again and again.
    2. -8
      26 December 2018 11: 41
      From those who became a millionaire in the 90s by criminal means - at the moment, only a tenth has remained.
      1. +3
        26 December 2018 12: 42
        Quote: Vadim237

        From those who became a millionaire in the 90s criminally

        I’m belittling you, all, absolutely all big business capital has been obtained by criminal means.
    3. +3
      26 December 2018 13: 54
      Quote: solzh
      Wow, the voluntary fall of the USSR ... Three ghouls gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha destroyed the state, and the fourth marked ghoul easily agreed with this and relinquished his powers and that's it. All of them worked out their Western "trust" ... All of them did not see the Soviet system, although it was the Soviet system that allowed them to take leading positions ...

      You just forget that all these ghouls were communists. You also forget that similar leaders were all the leaders of the union republics, including autonomies, and indeed the entire leadership in the regions — all communists! Completely voluntary!
      Quote: solzh
      The Baltic riot policemen forgot how they kept, tried to save, the Baltic states as part of the union state?

      I like these people very much, but the example in this context is frankly weak; there was no any serious attempt on the part of the people to preserve (protect) the Union.
      Quote: solzh
      The slogan "All power to the Soviets" has not yet been canceled.

      What is it saying in human language I think and you can not explain.
      1. -1
        26 December 2018 15: 05
        Quote: Cheslav Czursky
        I like these people very much, but the example in this context is frankly weak; there was no any serious attempt on the part of the people to preserve (protect) the Union.

        Honestly, few people understood and knew what was really happening! And in a referendum, the people clearly spoke out for the preservation of the Union.
        1. +3
          26 December 2018 15: 19
          This is not entirely true. Remember how the question stood? Preservation of the USSR as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics. So what did people vote for? For the confederation? How long would she last? Those who are now advocating the restoration of the USSR get off with general meaningless populist slogans like equality and social justice, bypassing such moments that the USSR owes even Poland and Bulgaria. Such is the "wonderful" management system!
          1. 0
            26 December 2018 15: 28
            Quote: Cheslav Czursky
            Preservation of the USSR as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics.

            You are right, the question was posed that way. But I’m sure that the people would vote for the preservation of the Union (as it is) with the same percentage!
            Quote: Cheslav Czursky
            The USSR owed even Poland and Bulgaria. Such is the "wonderful" management system!
            Yes, the Union fed many and it was a big mistake! But we wanted peace in the world Yes That is, the whole world we wanted .. and you have to pay for it request
            1. +1
              26 December 2018 15: 40
              And I'm sure this is normal for normal people! Who will destroy their house before building a new one? The fact is that people did not vote for communism, as some are now trying to imagine. For some reason, the level of the economy and people's lives in the "decaying" capitalist system was always higher than in the "progressive" socialist system, where by the 90s serious problems had already begun with food. To explain this by betrayal, sabotage, rebirth is at least silly. In this case, you will have to admit that you have betrayed everything from top to bottom! Inexperienced management, the unviability of ideology and goals completely divorced from life are much more difficult to recognize than the widespread sabotage of enemies of the people!
              1. -1
                26 December 2018 16: 17
                Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                The fact is that people did not vote for communism,

                With this I agree, especially communism as such, we did not build and could not build!
                Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                In this case, you have to admit that you betrayed everything from top to bottom!

                For me it’s very much like the truth! They just divided everything equally, well, among themselves and everything request
                Quote: Cheslav Czursky
                Inadequate management, non-viability of ideology and goals completely divorced from life are much more difficult to recognize than the widespread wrecking of enemies of the people!

                It sometimes seems to me that some smart people created a union like a pig for growth, we worked, worked, saved up good, and then once the country is just naked, without gold and money.
            2. +1
              26 December 2018 16: 04
              Quote: You Vlad
              Yes, the Union fed many and it was a big mistake! But we wanted peace in the whole world yes That is, we wanted the whole world .. and you have to pay for it

              We exported revolutions and supported revolutions. The idea of ​​a world revolution has not gone anywhere. Here we can recall both the Comintern and the Stalinist Cominform and the subsequent CMEA! You see, the ideas of Marx and Engels are marginal from the very beginning. I just don’t have time right now, and the topic is interesting, so briefly about the main thing. They made a mistake believing the community and community relations for a person to be historically natural and correct. They simply did not take into account that relations in the communities were tribal. Those. the community consisted of relatives for whom both common labor and common property were quite natural. As soon as neighboring communities appeared, property and classes appeared ... This is development and this is progress. Yours faithfully hi If you want to discuss tomorrow. Forgive me now - service.
  6. +4
    26 December 2018 09: 35
    The prominent Marxist-Leninist Kurginyan ran into criticism of the Marxist-Leninist Kamenev. The question of power in the SOVIET state is clear as daylight. At the "Kolomna Bush" they discussed the reasons for the fall of the USSR, and voiced as one of the reasons precisely the rejection of the advice system (about modern projects - advice 2.0 - can be found in Kravetsky Lex). But for the fact that only he can answer in Kurginyan's head.
    1. -11
      26 December 2018 10: 02
      This makes sense, for example, Gumilev also quotes Marx, he was a good analyst, but then gave birth, according to Gumilev, to a chimera. The system of councils is also a chimera, and with the help of Marx and Lenin this can best be proved. Democratic centralism - it sounds scary, but it was to him that the system of advice came, and was reborn.
  7. +11
    26 December 2018 09: 36
    What kind of article? What kind of nonsense? So in the states, the deep state binds the president to all extremities. And as we have written in the GDP article, we have a representation of our deepest state (which everyone saw this year). And what is the point then to rebuild Putin's Russia if nothing changes. The socialism that people are waiting for will not be fair justice. Putin said so. But Russia will remain a raw-material colony of the West and that’s all. The fact that they say about Putin in the West that he is bad is all propaganda for the audience.
    1. -5
      26 December 2018 10: 05
      And you, whose propaganda? Russia has changed a lot since the 2000s, in the West they really noticed, but you didn’t, maybe something with eyesight?
      1. +9
        26 December 2018 10: 22
        So I'm not propaganda, and with sight okay. Yes, Russia has changed I do not argue.
        And whose propaganda are you yourself? If there are not two sides of the vision, but much more, not only good or only bad. How they try to convince us. They immediately frighten other countries, they say they say look at how bad everything is with them, because you don’t want to.
        It always makes me laugh that if you talk badly about Putin, then you are immediately registered as liberalists, or to the henchmen of the so-called `` partners ''. And Putin himself is not a liberal, is he?
      2. +8
        26 December 2018 10: 29
        I noticed. I will celebrate New Year in an unheated apartment. I wrote to all authorities. From the lowest
        the answer is "All shortcomings have been eliminated." Power belongs to the bureaucracy.
      3. Underwater hunter
        +5
        26 December 2018 11: 00
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        And you, whose propaganda? Russia has changed a lot since the 2000s, in the West they really noticed, but you didn’t, maybe something with eyesight?

        The world has also changed from zero, change is what happens always and constantly. In Russia, for the vast majority of the changes are negative, judging by the polls.
  8. +6
    26 December 2018 09: 37
    Kurginyan is not calling anywhere. An ordinary showman ..
    There is no theory and understanding of the situation in the country. There are no like-minded organizations with a clear goal.
    1. +3
      26 December 2018 10: 08
      In vain you are so Kurginyan made perhaps the greatest contribution to the study of the USSR, and the protection of its historical heritage. It's a lot...
    2. +3
      26 December 2018 10: 15
      Frolov Oleg! There is no theory and understanding of the situation in the country. there are no like-minded organizations with a clear goal.
      Why not? There are Bolsyrev NPSR.
      And about Kurginyan you are wrong.
      1. +1
        26 December 2018 10: 27
        Quote: NordUral
        Why not? There are Bolsyrev NPSR.

        I heard from you for the first time ...
        Kurginyan called for support of the president in the confrontation with the liberals. Without understanding or intentionally lied. This is one field of the berry. And for the electorate of the show. Enemies were found ...
        1. +1
          26 December 2018 10: 50
          I heard from you for the first time ... This is our problem.
          But with Kurginyan, it’s difficult. But it is necessary to take positive from him, and incomprehensible actions, here I do not know how to perceive it.
          1. -1
            26 December 2018 18: 07
            By the way ... here's a little analogy. There was such a party "National Socialist Party of Russia" (NSPR) leaders are unknown, but known for their 2007 video. under the heading "Execution of a Tajik and a Dag", where the actual execution was carried out, all sorts of demands were put forward to Putin. I'm thinking ... NSPR .... NSPR ... Such a stinking Temka that.
      2. -1
        26 December 2018 17: 26
        There is a Bolsyrev NPSR

        Are you like a communist? No? I immediately had questions about the symbolism of the NPSR.


        Black Hundreds? Nationalists? Ahh ... well, the National Patriotic Forces of Russia.
        Well i.e. we are the oligarchs to the nail (they are American), we have our own. We (NSPR) have our own unique path to fascism, not only these, but not that path, we don’t hide that we are fascists.

        Oh! Who is it? Yes, this is Andryusha Savelyev, the leader of the Great Russia party, or the NSRP, one of the organizers of the "religious procession"! An ordinary Orthodox fascist.
  9. +11
    26 December 2018 09: 40
    USSR-2? Probably RSFSR-2. We are already building capitalism on American patterns, and we are realizing Russian implementation. Recently I looked at the gratitude of the Republican Gorbachev for the agreement on small and medium-sized missiles. And he ended up expressing special gratitude to the MS for the fact that Gorbachev initiated the collapse of the USSR.
    1. +2
      26 December 2018 10: 11
      And you trust the Americans less, gullible, like Gorbachev. The point is not only Gorbachev, but the "entry elite" of the USSR, as Kurginyan correctly said.
  10. -7
    26 December 2018 09: 48
    “I am Russian of Georgian origin,” Stalin once said about himself.

    wrote in the passport"Georgian".\

    It was he who cut Russia-today's borders of the 17th century: during his reign from the RSFSR-Russia was cut off 4 million km2 and created a few republic-states- today they are on the world map

    It was he who included the Russian Donbass in the so-called Ukraine, with him, AFTER the founding of the USSR, Russian Mogilev and Vitebsk became ... Belarus, and Belarus itself grew ... doubled due to the Smolensk land, which was recently liberated in 1940 Russian Bessarabia turned in a month .... in the MSSR.

    All for the good of the Russian people! Yes

    1. +1
      26 December 2018 14: 24
      In addition to the minuses, the Bolsheviks did not find you any answers ... It would be interesting to read. Or is it they put the minuses to Stalin?
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    1. -5
      26 December 2018 10: 03
      Quote: Antique
      Kurginyan's brilliant performance on TV sowed panic in power circles

      Even I, just squeamishly grin when I hear the heresy that he carries. Are power structures already in a panic? What kind of organisms do they have ... And as soon as they lead such a state, apparently they urgently need to ask for help from Kurginyan? Yes? lol
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  12. +5
    26 December 2018 09: 52
    Trump's rise to American power laid bare its internal basis - the “deep state”, which was previously attributed to the conspiratorial inflamed imagination.


    It’s like believing in the Lord — it’s always easier to believe that there are people to blame for our condition, and not for ourselves. Deep nonsense. It’s just that the neoliberal people are fighting for life, and the confrontation with Russia and war is a pretext for their existence, because otherwise people will pay attention to the absurdity of their theses, as well as with the communists. All that is not based and not thought out with the theory of anthropogenesis and human nature is doomed to failure.

    So we, in Europe, have their own goal - to overthrow the neoliberals from power (Long Live Victor Orban) and think what to do. Everything is complicated with you - either the USSR 2, or the Empire ..
  13. +7
    26 December 2018 10: 36
    and do not try to encroach on the Russian president.

    and who tried? Strange power criterion
    while Putin is in power, agreement with the West will not work

    so this is a no brainer, without Nekrasov. The point of no return of relations between the West and Putin has passed, hence the sanctions, etc.
    True, the sanctions are unlikely to be lifted after Putin, if this happens at all

    our "deep state" is preparing to change the form of power

    without this transformation, there will be a transformation of the country. It is impossible to revive the USSR, but further stay in a similar state of Russia is also impossible.
    1. +1
      26 December 2018 14: 29
      Quote: Silvestr
      while Putin is in power, agreement with the West will not work

      so this is a no brainer, without Nekrasov. The point of no return of relations between the West and Putin has passed, hence the sanctions, etc.

      I had no doubt that Nekrasov was a very close comrade in political views!
      Quote: Silvestr
      It is impossible to revive the USSR, but further stay in a similar state of Russia is also impossible.

      Nekrasov remains! laughing We will build 10 new hospitals, 8 roads and 5 kindergartens ... In Muscovy! We will sell and hand out the rest!
      1. +1
        26 December 2018 15: 50
        Quote: Cheslav Czursky
        Nekrasov


        Who is this? Where does it live?
      2. +1
        26 December 2018 15: 55
        Quote: Cheslav Czursky
        We will build 10 new hospitals, 8 roads and 5 kindergartens ... In Muscovy! Everything else about

        Famous Russian patrons built hospitals - Savva Morozov, for example. So this is a good thing. Is it necessary to build in Russia or does the country not need hospitals, roads?
  14. +4
    26 December 2018 10: 41
    Gorbachev defeated the most important component of the world order. This is a classic approach to politics during the Cold War, which said "What is ours is ours, and what is yours must be negotiated."
    strictly said "no", and our ambassadors were included in the best houses of Europe and America. And they were not compromisers, but on the contrary made a huge contribution to the defense capability of our country.
  15. +4
    26 December 2018 10: 52
    Moreover, as far as I know, the phenomenon of the voluntary political death of the USSR has not bothered a serious reflection of our scientific Marxist-Leninist community. Until now, the main reasons are seen in the betrayal and reincarnation of individual party members, including the CPSU Central Committee and its Secretary General, MS Gorbachev. While the main question is: why are they reborn?



    A similar question on the voluntary political death of the monarchy did not occur to the author? Maybe you should draw some kind of historical parallels? The death of the monarchy did not cause strong emotions in society, but the dictatorship of the proletariat led to a civil war.

    PS The same point - the means of production, raw materials ...
    1. +1
      26 December 2018 11: 48
      Quote: sergo1914
      The death of the monarchy did not cause strong emotions in society, but the dictatorship of the proletariat led to a civil war.

      Classic error: "post hoc ergo propter hoc".
      The system has considerable inertia, and the collapse of a country with inevitable civil wars took considerable time. Between the abolition of the USSR in the ninety-first and the coup d'etat in the ninety-third, it also passed by one day.
  16. VRF
    +2
    26 December 2018 10: 57
    After the words "utopian idea" I finished reading. After reading Stalin's works, I decided for myself that everything was real. And Kurginyan is your swindler and natural sectarian.
  17. +5
    26 December 2018 11: 14
    The author, being either a student or a cadet of a military school, outlined, outlined works on Marxism-Leninism, but did not take notes ... He did not understand that any science should develop, develop without development into a dogma .. And if the ideology of the state is formed on this, and at the same time there is a failure to comply with established dogmas, the state is dying from the inside ... There are many examples in history ... Starting from peasant uprisings in China BC and ending with the collapse of the USSR ..
  18. +1
    26 December 2018 11: 16
    The state of society, and even more so of its elites, does not at all depend on the desire of someone to return what has gone irrevocably. Note that Comrade Kurginyan is not talking about the development of Russia and its people in a continuous chain of changes, the events accompanying them, progressive economic and scientific-technical transformations in the world, but as about some kind of "banana republic" where there is an elite, but Indians collecting bananas on plantations. And making a myth out of the USSR is NOT an achievement of scientific thought, but a conversation over a game of dominoes in the yard with neighbors, like nostalgia for a long-gone youth.
    The Great Russian Revolution of 1917, whoever said anything, brought Russia to the advanced countries of the world, and made the Russian people a leader in its socio-political transformation. But subsequent events showed that without the support of a solid economic foundation, this leadership became meaningless. The second world war and the attack on us by fascist Germany, the destruction of half of the country and its industrial and cultural potential by the Germans, as well as other internal and external factors after the war, such as stupidity, lack of education, poverty and betrayal of the elite. Braking, but not determining! The very geographical position of our country in one way or another presupposes its development in line with the development of all mankind. Incorrect initial position "entrance elite" (even underlines in red spellcheck - there is no such word in Russian "adventistWhere and where does it enter and exit? This concept is incorrect for one simple reason - the entry of Russia into world civilization took place finally and took shape even under Peter I (with knocking ax and thunder guns (A.S. Pushkin). And long before that, Russia and the Russian state did not stand aloof from world history of both the West and the East.
    Thus, the speech of the aforementioned speaker is nothing more than an attempt to elevate Russia to the rank of slave, defeated states, which now, you see, has "seen the light" and is striving for independence. An attempt not to let Russia and its people once again lead, or be among the leaders of the socio-economic development of mankind. Perhaps I misunderstood him, but the elites do not determine the basic development of society, they only become its guides. And if someone today closely cooperates with the West, making it impossible, for example, to disconnect our country from the notorious SWIFT or from the Internet, or God knows what else, this means only one thing: Russia, having freed itself in the 1990s from social relations continues to move forward. Therefore, it is necessary to keep the state intact, not to allow centrifugal forces, including all kinds of "elites", even if they are sitting in its points of growth, to destroy it. And these points of growth themselves should be cultivated and developed in every possible way. We will not live without the rest of mankind, but mankind, perhaps, can do without us, with this formulation of the question. So be afraid of the Danes who bring gifts, especially if they are close to power for some reason.
  19. +1
    26 December 2018 11: 18
    Quote: solzh
    I don’t know what the Kurghinians are proposing. For me, he is just a talker and that’s it.

    That is, what he says there you either do not understand, or did not hear?
  20. +3
    26 December 2018 11: 24
    no new USSR can be built in principle, serious analysts do not even discuss it.

    I would like to see a detailed substantiation of this thesis, of course, with the definition of concepts.
    Otherwise, this is just an ugly polemic device, quite at the level of Banderlog's "and this is correct, we all say that."
    1. 0
      28 December 2018 13: 22
      Quote: kakvastam
      no new USSR can be built in principle, serious analysts do not even discuss it.

      I would like to see a detailed substantiation of this thesis, of course, with the definition of concepts.
      Otherwise, this is just an ugly polemic device, quite at the level of Banderlog's "and this is correct, we all say that."
      - simply for the reason that already those who Caught up The USSR is already under 50 ... children have already grown up for those who were then 5 years old ...
      they don’t understand all the goodies of the USSR and do not want to understand. Well, and at the same time they don’t want a lot of blood ...
      Or do you think that the farmer who bought all the collective farm lands will not stand for their chest and gnaw their throats? Well, well ...

      And accordingly - the collapse of everything and everyone (due to the breakdown of economic ties after the redistribution of the means of production), the repetition of the 90s and the youth will say - "are you swollen ??? wait for a bright future once there ??? !! ! "
      1. 0
        28 December 2018 13: 42
        This is not a "fundamental impossibility", it is just the technical difficulties of the current moment.
        In addition to the fact that the very fact of the existence of the USSR in the past demonstrates the likelihood of similar structures in the future, no one canceled the laws of the development of living matter. And in this development there are two areas - integration and disintegration, and they remarkably exist side by side. The first embodies economies of scale (multicellular organisms, including primates, as well as various kinds of public entities), the second - a high level of competition (viruses, bacteria, amoeba and all kinds of small private owners). It is easy to see that different levels of integration gain an advantage in different conditions, but in no way exclude each other.
        And about "here and now" - you probably don't have a mortgage.
        1. 0
          29 December 2018 00: 45
          Quote: kakvastam
          the fact of the existence of the USSR in the past demonstrates the likelihood of similar structures in the future,
          is a good-looking basis - you must remember !!!
          According to this theory - in the past there was a Stone Age, which means it will probably be soon, I found 100 rubles last year, which means I will find it in the next year .....

          Quote: kakvastam
          And about "here and now" - you probably don't have a mortgage.
          - I just see that if now all of a sudden for no reason - the system will change, and as a result there will be a failure in the economy (and it will be necessary !! breaking economic ties as in 1992-93gg.) - the same people who shout "How bad everything is now !!" they will shout "We were deceived !!! this is wrong socialism !!! we shouldn't have waited for it !!! let's get a freebie right now !!!" ....
          Nobody wants to wait for a bright future for grandchildren and apartments in 2100 year, they will not believe ....
          1. 0
            3 January 2019 15: 37
            Quote: your1970
            there was a stone age in the past, which means it will probably be soon

            Do you doubt it ?!
            Religious obscurantism also recently seemed to be the destiny of the distant past, and nothing. And ISIS, and other fighters against GMOs - all in stock, and in commodity quantities.
            Here are just "soon" - you added it yourself, I am more optimistic.
            Quote: your1970
            if now now all of a sudden for no reason - the system will change, and as a result there will be a failure in the economy

            Generally speaking, a "failure in the economy" is more often a reason (sometimes quite man-made) for a change in the system than its consequence; it is another matter that it almost always aggravates it.
            Quote: your1970
            Nobody wants to wait for a bright future for grandchildren

            Another example of an unsuccessful generalization.
            As they are now waiting, they will always be. People are not inclined to change patterns of behavior without a significant change in circumstances, and those who are now "suffering under the yoke of capitalism" will just as willingly continue to suffer under any other "yoke".
            And this is regardless of the fact that "socialism" and "freebie" are the same synonyms as "freebie" and "capitalism".
  21. Cop
    +6
    26 December 2018 11: 44
    While the main question: why are they reborn?
    Well, what is your opinion on this issue? Or were you ordered to voice ...... a different opinion? If we consider the beginning of rebirth in May 1985, then Comrade Gorbachev answered this question quite specifically, saying that the problems in the USSR were growing more and more and more and more behind the industrial countries of the West. In other words, the problems of the USSR lay in the field of economics. And something needs to be done with this. And then the Chinese comrades showed what to do.
    In our opinion, the USSR began as a utopian project
    In your opinion, whose is this? And then, if it’s a utopia, then why didn’t it also uniquely leave the PRC’s political life?
    “I am Russian of Georgian origin,” Stalin once said about himself after the victorious end of World War II. An unthinkable statement for communist leaders of that time, always starting with the international: “I am a communist ...”
    Come on, here is the main architect of the famine of 1932-33, t-h Kosior said that: "I first" crest ", and only then a Bolshevik ..." And, if we accept your terminology, then in a separate row stands Leiba Bronstein, not Dzhugashvilli. Here he was an internationalist. Remember his expression about an armful of straw ....?
    All the industrial achievements of the USSR are connected with the time of Stalin and his inertia, right up to the nuclear project and space program.
    Strange statement. Why, then, did other countries achieve equally impressive successes, such as the United States?
    By the way, Stalin’s reproaches by ideological opponents are mainly associated with his retreat from the foundations of Marxism-Leninism, which supposedly therefore resulted in political repression.
    Is this your personal opinion or not really? I think that it is simply due to fear. Suddenly, as a result of something like that, some "iron shura" would come to power ...
    Today, similar utopian decay processes have struck Western “world democracy”, today it is “proud of its social system”, as the USSR used to be.
    But in this you are completely wrong. At one time, Ulyanov said that "Imperialism is the highest and last stage of capitalism" And what happened in practice? Yes, it came that some, incl. and here they call it "liberalism". And they have nothing to be proud of? You just compare their unemployment benefits and the minimum wage in the USSR.
    Trump and his friends are an essential part of the American elites, this is the crisis of "American democracy"
    Well, what is the crisis? There was an "Irangate" at one time. This is also a crisis. So he was successfully resolved. Globalists from the so-called. "global mafia" "sit out Tampa" and that's it.
    Karl Marx understood this, and therefore concluded that the “dictatorship of the proletariat” was necessary for the new communist society.
    Yes? And I always believed that this conclusion was for the consolidation of the "hegemon of the revolution" by the ruling class. Really wrong ....?
    And what will come to replace her? The transformation of Putin's Russia into USSR-2, which Kurginyan is alluding to, could be an event similar to the fall of the USSR, with all the ensuing consequences: either the creation of a certain USSR-2, or the collapse of Russia, which the West and especially the Bandera regime so crave.
    Here is finally the quintessence of your article. For the sake of these lines, you wrote it .... God forbid it will come .... "Kurginyan and K", then it will be like in the "Bandera regime". What haven't you added, do you want it?
    However, after the experience of 1991, a new collapse of Russia is in no way possible in the foreseeable future.
    A controversial issue. And the West doesn't need it. Our guarantor does not interfere with plundering the country and putting the loot in Western banks. And this is the main goal of the "global mafia" as it has been said here more than once. And this is called "Neocolonialism".
    Our "deep state" refused to obey the dictates of the "world order" of the West, in which Russia was assigned the role of a powerless colony, as Zbigniew Brzezinski openly wrote. Let’s say thanks to him.
    Bravo Mr. Kamenev. What an interesting conclusion ..... But tell me, if Mr. Putin was offered not the role of a "waiter" on the "gangway" of the "global mafia", but made one of her "foremen" and put at the same table, then how would he acted with .... national interests of the country, about the people, I will modestly keep silent?
    П
    is utin so free to fly around the world, afraid of nothing? Indeed, true humanists do not need to blow up another "dictator"!
    Well, firstly, it is not so simple, and secondly, why? He already does everything that is required of him.
    .... so why should our “deep state” change it? They do not seek good from good, as they say. Therefore, sooner or later, the departure of Vladimir Putin from the presidency will not change anything.
    Why won't he? What if Kurginyan and K will come and introduce ..... an export duty on LNG ....
    ... because it is fundamentally impossible to build a new USSR, serious analysts do not even discuss this.
    And why are you so crucifying here, if it is so obvious?
    Perhaps our "deep state" is preparing for a change in the form of power, for the transition from a "soft" democracy to some other, maybe more "tough" democracy with the same Putin at the head.
    Here I can believe it.
    Then Kurginyan prepares an occasion for such a transformation, if he is part of the “Kremlin elites”, or he is used blindly.
    You do not transfer "arrows" from yourself to it ...
    Moreover, they are not at all confused by millionaires and the liberal economy in communist red China! Should something be different USSR-2 from USSR-1?
    Nothing such a conclusion ... laughing They say the USSR-1 is a utopia, and the USSR-2 ..... a pattern, the Chinese comrades have bypassed the "Marx rake" .... hi
  22. +5
    26 December 2018 12: 17
    When you read this - you clearly see that such scribblers do not give a damn about Russia and its people. They live only one thing, how to save Putin and his policy: make the rich richer and forget about the people, he and demagoguery enough.
  23. +4
    26 December 2018 12: 26
    Tovarisch makes a popular logical mistake - the substitution of concepts. The creation of the USSR-2 and the question of power are two different concepts. So far, no one is going to create the USSR-2, at least in practice. But the question of power is the most pressing one. In the late USSR they joked that they built the state according to "anti-Dühring", but everything turned out according to "Dühring". Which is finally what we have.
  24. -3
    26 December 2018 12: 45
    There was no voluntary destruction of the USSR. There was a betrayal.
    My good friend in London, it seems in the Royal Library, found the CAPITULATION ACT of the USSR, signed in 1984 by A. Gromyko.
    After this, it is clear that Gorbachev, with its restructuring, is a process of destruction, veiled in innovation. Gorbachev - a foreign intelligence agent, or his wife - she had a strong influence on him.
    If then this act was illuminated, then the people would stand on their hind legs. So they quietly gouged everything, and they bought us with dreams of jeans and rims.
  25. +1
    26 December 2018 13: 19
    The first part of the article about how bad Kurginyan and everything Soviet is. The second part, how Putin is wise and how well people live with him.
  26. +3
    26 December 2018 15: 32
    The original USSR does not deserve restoration, but its individual parts can serve as the basis for correct and useful reforms that Liberal Democracy cannot afford. The modern Russian government cannot openly declare its support for any ideas other than liberalism, although liberalism itself is at an impasse and the balance is very shaky ..., the USSR was essentially a practical improvisation, but the idea was noticed ..., Stalin complained about the absence theory, his followers complained of uncontrollability, Western critics pointed to the "illogicality" of socialism and the planned economy ... and so on and so forth. In many ways, their criticism is fair ..., From one point of view, the USSR is a dead end, on the other, these are new horizons ..., for some, gold can turn into shards, while others have a philosopher's stone in their hands ..., there is about than think. Science knows many examples of turning the craziest ideas into gold veins.
  27. +2
    26 December 2018 15: 36
    Being an activist of the movement The Essence of Time, led by Kurginyan and whose activities are part of the activities carried out by Kurginyan in the framework of the restoration of the USSR, I invite all commentators to attend our meetings.

    There it will be possible to completely calmly discuss any interesting issues in a round-table format. And about the USSR - 2, and about the activities of Kurginyan and the Essence of the time, and about some high meanings, metaphysics, ideology, philosophy and so on. Politics, economics, ongoing reforms, and generally anything.

    In St. Petersburg tomorrow (December 27) at 20:00 will be the next meeting. Address: Novoizmaylovsky pr. 8. The admission is free.
  28. 0
    26 December 2018 18: 39
    Another mess from Kuzovkova.
  29. 0
    26 December 2018 19: 39
    why about the development of mankind, about the future of our children, no one stirred his brain?
    Are your villas and houses on the Cote d'Azur and in foggy Albion a panacea? )))))
    The planet is round))))))
  30. +1
    26 December 2018 23: 42
    I'm sorry, but this is not an article. The usual empty "zaputinskaya" agitation, with a couple of spoons of pseudophilosophical reflections. Well, what is this, for example?
    In the 2014 year, when the situation in the world after the American coup in Kiev was particularly tense, many commentators were perplexed: why is Putin flying so freely around the world, not afraid of anything? After all, true humanists do not cost anything to blow up the next “dictator”! If all power is tied to Putin, you can’t risk it! Even today, Vladimir Putin moves around the world easily, even at weddings in Austria spontaneously peeks. This means that all Russian power on Putin is not at all tied, They understand this in the West and do not try to encroach on the Russian president.

    The author of the article is not aware that after World War II there is an unspoken, but strictly fulfilled until now, agreement on, let's say, "mutual non-assault" (all the more tough when it comes to the leaders of "nuclear" states). Or are these stories that do not emphasize the unprecedented courage of our GlavSterkh? After all, he even goes to a wedding in Austria easily, fearlessly ...
    And so many blunders in one (last) paragraph - this is close to the record:
    Maybe this transformation will be called, unofficially, in a journalistic sense, even the USSR-2, Western ideologists and Madame US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton After all, they unequivocally accuse Russia of trying to revive the USSR! Many of our commentators are embarrassed in this regard by our millionaires and the liberal economy. At the same time they are not confused millionaires and a liberal economy in communist red china!

    Has Trump appointed Hillary as Secretary of State? News however. But below it is more interesting: "our MILLIONAIRE and the LIBERAL economy ..."
    Dear yes with millionaires wait a minute Tell better how many times (hint: an order of magnitude) the number increased USD BILLIONS under fearless Putin.
    At the same time, educate: what kind of "liberal" economy is this - what do we have, what, by the way, in China, and in the United States, for that matter? We have gangster capitalism (standing on a state-mafia platform), in China, step by step (and success after success), the most powerful, most modern, technological and SOCIALLY ORIENTED economy. The United States - there is generally a principle of sucking everything from the whole planet (and stock market maclee), and the economy (in any package) is already sweet, for "Harvard fools", as Nassim Taleb affectionately calls them.
    In China, yes, there are millionaires. And billionaires too. But there is no among them, I think no one who would have made his fortune by stealing, nepotism, corruption, etc. These happen, but then quickly become the stars of TV in the role of planted and set against the wall.
    All this, I repeat, about one paragraph of the article. And there are a little more of them in it, these paragraphs. As well as propaganda blunders.
    But articles, as we know, are not minus. Unlike comments, including this one.
  31. 0
    27 December 2018 00: 40
    The main issue of the revolution - the construction of socialism in a single country was successfully resolved. Russia has revived on a fundamentally new basis and has become a great world power. Yes, not haha, but a great world power. The project is very real, not utopian at all. But the goal of the counter-revolutionary project is not understood, or rather deeply hidden from the uninitiated. It is possible that he is the last. That is why the few remaining thinkers are busy searching for meanings, the essence of time. When the essence is revealed, then it will be possible to talk about further steps.
  32. +1
    27 December 2018 01: 22
    Quote: Asan Ata
    My good friend in London, it seems in the Royal Library, found the CAPITULATION ACT of the USSR, signed in 1984 by A. Gromyko.

    Can you link to the document? Or there is a stamp: "Sov.secretno" Eat after reading!
    "Kindergarten - pants with a shoulder strap ..." (c)

    Quote: iouris
    That is why the few remaining thinkers are busy searching for meanings, the essence of time.

    Not looking there?
    1. 0
      27 December 2018 01: 37
      Quote: Vic111
      Not looking there?

      Are you seriously? They are looking for where there is a lot of money, and a lot of money like dead silence. Look for yourself if you do not trust.
  33. -1
    27 December 2018 07: 11
    Where did the author hear from Kurginyan about USSR-2? Like Putin, Kurginyan talks about the need and ways to build (rather reconstruct) a social state. This is necessary, no one argues, much has already been done and is being done, and there will never be an end to this work. You need to connect.
  34. 0
    27 December 2018 10: 22
    The creation of "USSR 2" ... -simply inevitable ...- it's just a matter of time ...- If, of course, Russia wants and strives to remain on the world map and remain in general ...
    - And today ... - any more or less large armed bloody clash (directed against Russia) ... - a major armed invasion "in the interests of Russia" ... a large-scale attempt of aggression against Russia (without the use of nuclear weapons .., of course). .. -Immediately will sharply increase the possibility of changing the existing regime ... -Therefore, our oligarchs are so compliant to the West and America ...
  35. 0
    27 December 2018 12: 20
    It can be seen that there are still questions. I am waiting for the third article on the topic "Kurginyan and ...". In principle, this is not harmful: a correctly posed question is the starting point of the answer. In short, we learn to ask the right questions.
    1. 0
      27 December 2018 18: 26
      iouris (iouris)
      I am waiting for the third article on the topic "Kurginyan and ...". Basically, this is not harmful:

      Yes, we are waiting for the third article. The second was even more successful than the first (according to the number of comments).
      I can even suggest the name - "Kurginyan and dark matter". "Dark matter" is a term and theme of one of Kurginyan's lectures at the VKSV.
  36. DPN
    0
    27 December 2018 16: 23
    Just Kurginyan does not want to follow, I do not remember who attempted Chubais.
  37. 0
    28 December 2018 13: 14
    Quote: Mestny
    For thousands of years of evolution, man has not been able to get rid of the stomach, which has to be periodically filled. If this is not done, the person dies. No ideology in the world can cancel this fact.
    The utopianism of Soviet ideology manifested itself precisely in the ultimate, absolute affirmation of the priority of the public over the personal. That is, not the very fact of such a priority, but the requirement of maximum adherence to it. Total control over the information space with the goal of any way to talk only about this. and of course about 100% success on this path.
    Obviously, a more flexible option was needed, using the personal interests of a particular person with benefit to society. Not in the form of loud slogans, but in the form of real actions. An excellent example of the Lenin NEP.
    -example very bad under socialism. That is precisely why Stalin had to close it
  38. +1
    29 December 2018 08: 04
    Quote: solzh

    Wow, the voluntary fall of the USSR ... Three ghouls gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha destroyed the state, and the fourth marked ghoul easily agreed with this and relinquished his powers and that's it. All of them have worked out their Western "trust" .....-... The transition to the Soviet system must be started now, capitalism cannot lead our country out of economic problems, and even more so solve them due to the fact that under capitalism the main thing is thirst profit.


    Plus a comment. but disagree. Outwardly, of course, everything is so. But I will hint metaphorically: for example, the majority on the forum has the right to consider a person with a fever as sick. Of course, he doesn't care well .. But after all. Paradoxically, an increase in temperature is a sign of recovery, a fight against immunity. Disease is when a person does everything to destroy himself without realizing. "The worst losses are invisible." (the author is not me). Simplified, this can be seen on the ruins of civilization in the form of abandoned tourist centers (some did not take it away due to their remoteness from "civilization"): outside of the state there are scraps of slogans about unity, health, progress, space .. all that .. And for vacationers, a few hours ago , so to speak, who left the machine, who the leadership chair, as a single team implemented slogans closer to the BODY, embodying the modern phrase "Every Friday, I am in g__no .."
    The USSR - jam with liberal seeds, which grew out of the true post-war unity, with front-line leaders .. In the 70s, 80s jam fermented. Imperceptibly. In places. rather, it has already become apparent.
    A pure Soviet system is the teaching of Christ. With one fatal difference, the priority of the material-spiritual instead of the spiritual-spiritual principle. And the material animal nature of man, with the help of a western catalyst and 5 columns, certainly triumphed.
    The death of my homeland and on my conscience. As prodigal children, we turned our eyes to the western glitter, but it turned out to be a spoon with hooks. Only in the parable, the father accepted his son in health, and I don't see who to bury in the "father's shoulder" .. Everywhere liberals and capitalists. There is, as it were, one, but he has a Euro-choke around his neck and is covered in info-slops .. Not Stalin, you can't swing.
    Sometimes an orphan-bum feeling of guilt for silence rises, when they sawed the Motherland. That in the 91st he didn’t cover any embrasure with his body .. So they weren’t visible, everything was calculated and embellished.
  39. 0
    1 January 2019 09: 55
    good, bad, these are all subjective assessments, but history passed its verdict, the USSR ceased to exist, and these attempts to revive the USSR speak of a crisis of ideas, instead of thinking about the future, attempts are made to reanimate the past, to which results it can be understood by everyone
    and what is happening outside our homeland is of course very interesting, the US crisis, the problems of the European Union, even Ukraine (the ashes of Odessa are knocking in our hearts), but as they say smart does not repeat other people's mistakes, and stupid repeats his own, and so the reanimation of the USSR is repetition of one's mistake
  40. +1
    2 January 2019 00: 04
    Quote: Olgovich
    All for the good of the Russian people

    I agree,.
    There is no need to manipulate history, and try to blame Great Stalin, Khrushchev, Nicholas I, what Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other participants in the Bialowieza conspiracy did.


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