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The plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces was completed, the last four flew to Shagol

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The company "Sukhoi" has completed the implementation of the state defense order 2018 of the year, transferring the next four Su-34 front-line bomber to the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation. The planes were transferred in pairs at the airdrome of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov 19 and 22 December, from where they went to the place of deployment, according to the blog bmpd.


The plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces was completed, the last four flew to Shagol


Airplanes arrived at the 2nd Guards Bomber Regiment based in the Chelyabinsk Region (Shagol airfield) 21st mixed aviation the division, which since the end of 2017 has received, taking into account these four new aircraft, already 18 Su-34 bombers. In total, there are three squadrons in the regiment, one of them has already completely re-equipped from Su-24M2 to Su-34, the rearmament of the second is planned to be completed by the end of next year. No information is available regarding the third squadron, but most likely its rearmament is planned for 2020. The regiment pilots who transferred to the Su-34, together with the aircraft, underwent retraining at the 4th State Center for the Training of Aviation Personnel and Military Tests of the Ministry of Defense named after V.P. Chkalov in Lipetsk.

In total, the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant under the 2012 contract of the year transferred the X-NUMX aircraft Su-84 from the 34 ordered by the Ministry of Defense to the Russian Space Forces XF. The total number of Su-92s built on all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production samples, has now reached 34 units.
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  1. helmi8
    helmi8 24 December 2018 17: 18
    +26
    the last four flew to Shagol

    In aviation, they don't say "last", they say extreme ... wink
    1. Borik
      Borik 24 December 2018 17: 27
      +6
      It means that the last one this year, but when it will be extreme so far I think no one knows. They will continue to be built.
      1. MY THOUGHT
        MY THOUGHT 24 December 2018 17: 41
        +4
        WE are sofas and so we understand soldier
      2. okko077
        okko077 24 December 2018 17: 48
        -31
        For a year they can equip the whole squadron? !! Here is the news, here is another victory from which it becomes sad and insulting ... The only relatively new aircraft for all tactical, front-line and partially strategic aviation is produced at a pace of 12-14 aircraft for its airborne forces ... The airplane’s modernization potential for decades on the glider and even engines with lame electronics, .... but it is produced in scanty batches ... And this is against the background of plans for the production and modernization of aging and unpromising rubbish in the form of TU-160 and Tu-22M3 which have no modernization potential either in glider or in engine , about the equipment it is better to be silent at all .... And we predict the result on them ....
        1. Halado Romane
          Halado Romane 24 December 2018 17: 55
          +15
          And how many more airplanes need to be put into operation so that you cry at all?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 24 December 2018 18: 02
            +10
            hi
            Do not care for their tears. The main thing is that everything goes as usual. wink
            1. Halado Romane
              Halado Romane 24 December 2018 18: 05
              0
              That's it! Let them cry.
              1. okko077
                okko077 24 December 2018 18: 34
                -12
                It looks like estimates before the 41st year .... In a foreign territory, with little blood .... Then the Uryakaloks also had everything according to plan and as they should ... The result is known to everyone .... Their history does not teach anything ... If we are dealt with roads slowly, then another misfortune in all its glory ...
                1. Halado Romane
                  Halado Romane 24 December 2018 18: 52
                  +11
                  My dear friend, I’m not satisfied, such comments as we hear and read in the media from liberals who are always suffering and weeping! In any good news you are present all the same with your fly in the ointment in trembling hands! Treating you as a statistical error that you regularly have the opportunity to contemplate all kinds of elections. You know how seasonal colds are not nice but there are. By the way, I remind you that 1941 ended in 1945 on a foreign territory and the paintings of our soldiers on the broken-down Reichstag!
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 24 December 2018 22: 06
                    -5
                    I shouldn’t argue with dummies by rank .... We don’t talk about successes, we need to focus on problems .... We have specialists and military personnel with great ranks and degrees with many years of experience in the ranks of combat units and not only, it’s accepted .... But to hear or not to hear it is already yours .... Yes, and the majority of the forum has no knowledge and base .... But still there is enough support and to express their opinion, which many simply don’t have ... and not criticize, as it seems to some, for now I will consider it necessary .... Use it and ... amateurs too .....
                    1. turbris
                      turbris 24 December 2018 22: 58
                      +2
                      Who is this personnel and experienced here with a large database? He carries a complete quinoa, and is even offended, a great critic. What else do we live in the USSR and rearm ourselves with entire regiments?
                    2. 79807420129
                      79807420129 24 December 2018 23: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: okko077
                      We have specialists and military personnel with large ranks and degrees with many years of experience in service in the ranks of combat units and not only that, it is customary ....

                      Well, yes, jackets are also in frames and have many years of experience in combat units. Bravo pisarchuk. laughing
                      Quote: okko077
                      assault in the face of Su -17M4, MiG -27 and S-25

                      Well, let's understand the personnel:
                      1. Su-17m4 is the last production modification. It was distinguished by a new digital sighting and navigation complex PrNK-54, unregulated air intake and an additional air intake in front of the keel for cooling avionics. It has been developed since March 1977. It was produced in 1978-1990. Still can be found in the Syrian Air Force, Vietnam, after all, 2867 cars were produced, but ... in the USSR. Release was discontinued at the end of either 91, or 92 years, I could be wrong. And yes it is a fighter bomber. Let's go further:
                      2. MiG-27, actually MiГ The same garbage, the same issue was discontinued in the early 90's, the same bomber fighter. If there is in our VKS, then perhaps in museums and on conservation. Let's go further.
                      S-25, A miracle is wonderful, marvelous, but this product flies but:
                      S-25 "Golden Eagle" (NATO classification - SA-1 Guild) - a stationary anti-aircraft missile system, created in the USSR to defend Moscow from air attacks of a potential enemy. Adopted in 1955. It consisted of 22 early warning radars, 56 anti-aircraft missile systems (air defense systems) located in two rings around Moscow, technical bases and command and control posts. The S-25 system was the first model of anti-aircraft guided missile weapons adopted in the USSR for armament (target altitude range - 5-15 km). A further development of the ideas laid down in S-25 was the creation of the S-75, S-125, S-200, S-300 air defense systems.


                      Quote: okko077
                      rubbish in the form of TU-160 and Tu-22M3

                      It's just without words, even the cat almost choked on rzhach fish laughing
                      Quote: okko077
                      .Yes and the majority of the forum has no knowledge and base ....

                      Yes, where are we poor and wretched, came down from the mountains, and they took us into the army. wink
                      Quote: okko077
                      But still, there is enough support and to express my opinion, which many simply don’t have ... and not criticize, as it seems to some, I will consider it necessary so far .... Use it and ... amateurs too .....

                      Well, thanks for allowing, what’s missing, support or endurance, which is unreasonable to admonish us? laughing Well, you write another shot, I haven’t had such fun for a long time. hi
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 25 December 2018 00: 29
                        +1
                        We comrade somewhat distracted from the topic. Recently, information has passed several times that the execution of the contract (two) for 120 Su-34s is coming to an end and new ones will not be concluded. The plant employees are allegedly offered to quit themselves. If this is true, then sadness. There was hope for 200 to 240 units of this product. It was possible to further modernize it with AL-41F engines, improved avionics ... Passed information about the upcoming equipping them with suspended reconnaissance containers ... And who should be equipped if only 120 boards are available?
                        Anxious like that. Unreasonable.
                      2. shahor
                        shahor 25 December 2018 00: 58
                        -5
                        If so, then in my opinion it is quite reasonable. The time of aircraft type Su-34 passes. In my amateurish opinion, the F-15A type aircraft - the latest incarnation of the well-known platform - would be more suitable for the Russian vks. New engines gave a combat radius of more than 2000 km., A load of 13 tons, the latest radar, a reduction in the cost of flight hours by 25%. In the version of the fighter, there are 30 (!) Suspension points, a bomber is smaller, but -13 tons. If
                        to create such a modification based on the Su-35 .... But, we need new, more powerful and more economical engines, a new radar and avionics ...
                        It can be cheaper than the SU-57 ... And with a new weapon, the effectiveness can be comparable.
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 25 December 2018 01: 04
                        +5
                        Where have you read this? 30 (!!!) suspension points? 13 tons of load?
                        And for your information, the F-15A is not the last, but the very first modification of the F-15, back in 1975.
                        And the F-15 will not have a radius of 2000 km. NEVER. Unless with PTB and refueling.
                      4. shahor
                        shahor 25 December 2018 01: 21
                        -3
                        F-15-Advanced. newest version. Already supplied to the Saudis (AS) and to Qatar (AK). The difference is in avionics. Qatar bought an Israeli (!).
                        All characteristics are accurate - and about 30 points, and in range. Go to the manufacturer’s website. There is still speed - 2500. What can you do, new technologies, the result is new engines and excellent radar. I have a general question, why then the 5th generation?
                      5. bayard
                        bayard 25 December 2018 02: 00
                        +6
                        The first version of the F-15 official speed was 2650 km \ h.
                        30 points is a fake, do not disgrace or read carefully. More than 10 there is nowhere to insert, with all desire.
                        The radius of 2000 km is a fake, as much as nothing is empty with PTB and conformal, which engines do not put.
                        The platform is old, proven, avionics even with the 5th generation set - will fly.
                        About 13 tons of b \ n, I’m just silent ... Unless with empty tanks, it took off, dropped, and then sat down.
                        Do you imagine the F-15 glider? Its dimension? Something between the MiG-29 and the Su-27.
                        Noticeably LESS Su-27th.
                        What miracles do you fasten on him? The modernization potential has long been exhausted. In any case, in combat load \ range \ altitude \ speed.
                      6. shahor
                        shahor 25 December 2018 02: 04
                        -2
                        On the occasion of this site posted an article on the modernization of F-15. Although the information is not the latest, read it!
                      7. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 December 2018 02: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: shahor
                        On the occasion of this site posted an article on the modernization of F-15. Although the information is not the latest, read it!

                        So that you understand what heresy you write, I’ll say that the F-15 Eagle lost to the net by the exported Indian SU-30 to the net. If my memory serves me, with the score 12-0! And this is a fact that mattresses also recognize. And SU-35С, in the version for our VKS is better than 30.
                      8. shahor
                        shahor 26 December 2018 18: 25
                        0
                        Do not read some Russian newspapers before dinner! Find Google's Red-American Joint Indian-Indian Exercise Report on Google! Shame is still that! It came to the point that spare engines had to be taken from India - such was their reliability! As for air combat, there appeared a peculiarity of a variable thrust vector, which was warned by physicians of the St. Petersburg Military Aviation Administration — after a couple of figures with access to critical angles, the Indians lost their physical ability to control the machine. And YOU = 100 victories! Well, at least not beaten!
                      9. Skifotavr
                        Skifotavr 27 December 2018 19: 07
                        0
                        Quote: shahor
                        Do not read some Russian newspapers before dinner! Find Google's Red-American Joint Indian-Indian Exercise Report on Google! Shame is still that! It came to the point that spare engines had to be taken from India - such was their reliability! As for air combat, there appeared a peculiarity of a variable thrust vector, which was warned by physicians of the St. Petersburg Military Aviation Administration — after a couple of figures with access to critical angles, the Indians lost their physical ability to control the machine. And YOU = 100 victories! Well, at least not beaten!

                        Even more so, you should not read your yellowness before dinner, or at all.
                      10. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 December 2018 02: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: shahor
                        All characteristics are accurate - and about 30 points, and in range.

                        Eagle combat upgrade consists of
                        the so-called “four-pack” wing warheads, each of which is capable of carrying four AMRAAM missiles, so there are a total of 16 missiles.
                        The upgrade also extends the F-15's range with new fuel storage tanks that attach to the aircraft's hull to reduce drag. But the most important update is the Talon HATE sensor and communication module.

                        What are 30 suspension points?
                        Quote: shahor
                        F-15- Advanced. newest version. Already supplied to the Saudis (AS) and to Qatar (AK).

                        Qatar has not yet been delivered ... the contract is signed for 36 vehicles until the 22 year. Moreover, the export version is ALWAYS weaker than what goes for its Air Force.
                      11. shahor
                        shahor 26 December 2018 18: 47
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        . Moreover, the export option is ALWAYS weaker than what goes for its Air Force.

                        You are absolutely right! If you are reading English, go to the Defense blog. There is an article that the Pentagon in 20 will receive 20 F-15 * on steroids *, as they call this version. The American version will carry * more than two dozen rockets *. I mean, Boeing, as a normal supplier, is trying to work according to customer specifications, and what electronics is embedded in their version, we do not know yet. Israel orders this plane for itself, it’s clear for what purpose, hello to Iran! Therefore, in the open part of the specification, the possibility of suspension of up to 30 missiles and conformal tanks appears. Yes, there will be a speed loss of up to 150 km-hour, but 2500 Israel, apparently, is satisfied. In addition, unlike Lockheed, a Boeing without any problems allows Israel to refine it, so there will be electronic gadgets and software improvements. But you can just hang the explosive rockets ... For the landing of a half-IAP is enough.
                      12. Skifotavr
                        Skifotavr 27 December 2018 19: 19
                        0
                        I don’t want to get involved in your dull trol wars, but I’ll just say that the Americans are generally famous for their love to put an incredible amount of missiles, fuel tanks and hanging containers on their modernized fighters, making them look like bristling barrels. It works very well against the poor and backward countries, which are armed with very old fighter jets and air defense systems, but it will end sadly with an equal enemy ... Although what I mean, they don’t fight the strong ones.
                      13. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 December 2018 02: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: shahor
                        The time of the Su-34 type aircraft passes.

                        Che seriously? SU-34 replaces SU-24. Tactical bomber with fighter skills. Where does it go dear, do not want to tell, no?
                        Quote: shahor
                        In my amateurish opinion, an aircraft of the F-15A type — the latest incarnation of a well-known platform — would be more suitable for the Russian Vks.

                        To begin with, the newest, as you put it, hypothesis of the F-15 is the F-15E Strike Eagle and in the development of the F-15X. And F-15A is the first modification of this fighter, created in the shaggy 1974 year.
                        Quote: shahor
                        New engines gave a combat radius of over 2000 km.

                        What do you smoke there, dear? wassat
                        We look at the radius of option E (the main one for today)
                        Radius of action, km
                        with PTB, when flying along a mixed profile 1270 km
                        without PTB, at an extremely low altitude of 600 km
                        with PTB, at an extremely low altitude of 800 km
                        That is, even with the PTB 1270 km.
                        What 2000 km?
                        Quote: shahor
                        load - 13 tons,

                        Quote: shahor
                        In the version of the fighter - 30 (!) Suspension points

                        Combat load - 11110 kg. hosted on 9 external suspensions.
                        What are the 30 suspension points, cranky? Where to put them? On the forehead of the pilot? fool
                        Quote: shahor
                        create such a modification based on the Su-35 ..

                        I’ll tell you one secret - Eagle is not a rival of SU-35С.
                        Quote: shahor
                        But- we need new, more powerful and more economical engines

                        Hmm ... a bad case. The AL-41F1С engine allows the SU-35С to accelerate to BEFORE SUPER SOUND, which is typical for 5 generation fighters. This dvigun was created in 2008 year. Moreover, an engine similar to the 30 product for SU-35 and SU-30 is already being developed.
                        Do not write more such heresies. Look funny. I'm sorry.
                      14. shahor
                        shahor 26 December 2018 19: 33
                        0
                        Do not write here about * we will do *. Let's write * we did *. And then I’ll name a lot of products that * we will make * for many years. Whoever is not a rival to anyone will show the battle, but for now, the objective-radar Irbis is inferior to the American, avionics are very inferior, armament is weaker, speeds are comparable. Maneuverability should be better with Su- even because of the thrust vector. (I don’t know the wing loads). But not so simple. I wrote above how pilots carry loads when doing aerobatics at critical angles. Stepan Mikoyan, Honored Test Pilot of the USSR, writes that when performing figures at such angles, pilots often went blind for a few seconds and even lost consciousness for the same seconds. Can you imagine the price of these seconds in battle? Yes, and you must still enter the dogfight ... It is clear that speaking of an American, I mean the F-15 Advanced only. Yes, and here’s another cherry - the new Eagle is designed for 20000 flight hours without repair - compared to the 5000 thousand earlier versions. I am not writing all this to show how good it is and what is bad here. But baseless drowning and capriciousness will lead to nothing but trouble. History has proven more than once. A strong opponent must be studied, adopted the best and the most useful, and respected.
                        And you- * yes, we’ll give them ....
                      15. irazum
                        irazum 25 December 2018 07: 12
                        0
                        It is logical, but a lot of questions. Is the concept of such an aircraft itself outdated? Only Russia and the United States have a "platform". "And the rest?" x / f "Election Day"
                    3. Moore
                      Moore 25 December 2018 03: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: okko077
                      We have specialists and military personnel with large ranks and degrees with many years of experience in service in the ranks of combat units and not only that, it is customary ....

                      Dear "specialist", at least place the punctuation marks in such a way that you can somehow be distinguished from the yegesh dumb.
                  2. kuz363
                    kuz363 25 December 2018 09: 18
                    -1
                    Nevertheless, this victory did not save the USSR from collapse! What price did she get? And the technological and social lag behind the West continues.
                2. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 24 December 2018 18: 52
                  0
                  Quote: okko077

                  How similar to grades before 41 years ..

                  Well, the Soviet Union somehow did not really help his military resources! It was destroyed. No need to go to extremes.
                3. Astronaut
                  Astronaut 24 December 2018 18: 56
                  -1
                  How similar to grades before 41 ...

                  You can drape now!
                4. Hypersound
                  Hypersound 24 December 2018 20: 36
                  -2
                  Then there was no nuclear weapon. Or do you think that pndos will be able to shoot down all of our missiles, including from submarines?
                5. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 24 December 2018 21: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: okko077
                  . Uryakalok then, too, everything was according to plan and how it was necessary ... Everyone knows the result .... Their history doesn’t teach anything ... If we slowly deal with roads, then the other trouble is in all its glory ...

                  What, you suggest.?. State your thoughts, if any! The critic is always in an advantageous position ...- " am Oh, it had to be like this and like this, but they are fools and thieves! "... am ..You express your thoughts on correcting the situation! Maybe someone who needs to listen! You will be awarded, well, etc.
                6. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 26 December 2018 07: 10
                  0
                  Quote: okko077
                  Everyone knows the result .... Their history teaches nothing ...

                  It seems that you yourself do not know the result ... wink
          2. Georgievic
            Georgievic 24 December 2018 18: 14
            -1
            I am sure that everything is calculated! How much is needed and will do. Otherwise, then the operating budget will sob!
        2. bubelik
          bubelik 24 December 2018 18: 31
          -1
          for sure! better keep quiet at all.
        3. Astronaut
          Astronaut 24 December 2018 18: 56
          0
          And this against the background of plans for the production and modernization of aging and unpromising trash in the form of TU-160 and Tu-22M3

          Do not repeat the stupid things for the American ambassador! wink
        4. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 24 December 2018 19: 10
          +1
          The good guy is our Valera (okko077). In all matters, he is an expert .... in airplanes, he understands ... both in electronics .... and in automated command and control systems of troops .... and even in operating systems .... but in reality he is an expert - in WHIT. All two years of existence on the site of this account, it is all aching, aching and aching ... yes
          1. IvanT
            IvanT 24 December 2018 20: 52
            -1
            Duc works people. He fulfills silver pieces.
        5. Ros 56
          Ros 56 24 December 2018 20: 22
          -2
          And striped, who have brains, think differently. And how can you equate strategists with a tactical bomber? Though read Wiki.
        6. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 December 2018 21: 24
          0
          Quote: okko077
          The only relatively new aircraft for all tactical, front-line and partially strategic aviation is being produced at the pace of 12-14 machines for its airborne forces ..

          Why are there more of them? SU-34 go to replace the 24-m. At the same time, the line of heavy fighters is indecently extended.
          On the ground, both the SU-30 and SU-35 work great. And on the way, the 57 and possibly the MIG-35, which are also multi-purpose, will be launched, and the drone UAVs will also go to the troops soon.
          1. irazum
            irazum 25 December 2018 00: 12
            0
            And as for the "approaches", this is for "Grannies with Seeds", just their level ...
        7. irazum
          irazum 24 December 2018 22: 08
          0
          Sadly, I thought I would repeat the story of the F-111 ...
      3. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 24 December 2018 17: 51
        +9
        Her, better extreme, so calmer.)
      4. Alex20042004
        Alex20042004 24 December 2018 20: 29
        0
        Yes, flyers are so superstitious. And, nothing can be done. They do not have such a word, they do not have "13", etc.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 December 2018 21: 49
          +1
          Quote: Alex20042004
          They do not have such a word, they do not have "13", etc.

          ____________________________
          1. helmi8
            helmi8 24 December 2018 23: 43
            0
            Single case.
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 24 December 2018 17: 31
      +1
      Given that we are always looking for the extreme lol Your comment has some ambiguity. .. negative This is me to a friend under the nickname helmi8 hi
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 24 December 2018 19: 00
        +2
        Quote: ANCIENT
        Your comment has some ambiguity.

        Yes, no need to look for a black cat in a dark room. Any aviator will understand what I wanted to say.
    3. svp67
      svp67 24 December 2018 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: helmi8
      In aviation, they don't say "last", they say extreme ...

      just add "... in the year" and everything is fine, here they are certainly LAST, and not as EXTREME
    4. lopvlad
      lopvlad 24 December 2018 17: 42
      0
      Quote: helmi8
      Aviation doesn't say "last"


      it is said there only in relation to flights because of their superstitions and in relation to everything else they use the word "last".
      1. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 24 December 2018 17: 55
        +3
        These superstitions are on the subconscious. Better not to educate, no offense.)
      2. helmi8
        helmi8 24 December 2018 19: 02
        +3
        Quote: lopvlad
        it is said there only in relation to flights because of their superstitions and in relation to everything else they use the word "last"

        In order to judge this, one needs to know at least a little the aviators and their superstitions.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 24 December 2018 22: 55
          +2
          Quote: helmi8
          one must know a little about aviators and about their superstitions.

          Sergey, with this everything is unambiguous, clear, understandable. The waterfowl also has enough superstitions. Another thing is when "teapots" pick it up, and start to shove it everywhere, anywhere, mostly not in the subject. The result is nonsense and nonsense. yes In such cases, as a rule, I quote Tsoi's "overemphasized" phrase:
          Good morning, extreme hero!
          1. helmi8
            helmi8 24 December 2018 23: 36
            +1
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Another thing is when "teapots" pick it up, and begin to shove it everywhere, anywhere, mostly not in the subject. The result is nonsense and nonsense.

            Speak the truth! good
    5. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 24 December 2018 17: 56
      +2
      Quote: helmi8
      the last four flew to Shagol

      In aviation, they don't say "last", they say extreme ... wink

      And not only in aviation ... hi
    6. av58
      av58 24 December 2018 18: 02
      +1
      It's about completing the supply of a batch, so in a particular batch it is the latter.
    7. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2018 22: 13
      0
      Quote: helmi8
      the last four flew to Shagol

      In aviation, they don't say "last", they say extreme ... wink

      = The plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces has been completed, the last four flew to Shagol. =
      In your opinion, the plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces has been completed, four EXTREME flew to Shagol, does it sound in Russian?
      Some narrow-minded person decided to "shine", "be original", so to speak, while others, like parrots, well, let's repeat after him.
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 24 December 2018 23: 56
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Some narrow-minded person decided to "shine", "to be original", so to speak, while others, like parrots, well, let's repeat after him

        Do not be rude, "distant" you are ours. And we can say another way. And in general - I said, as is customary to speak in aviation, and not how to speak correctly. And the fact that you inflate it out of this is your problem. I will repeat once again - any aviator would understand me perfectly, and take it for granted.
        In your opinion, the plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces has been completed, four EXTREME flew to Shagol, does it sound in Russian?

        I would generally say that the batch of planes planned for this year is fully supplied to the troops.
  2. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 24 December 2018 17: 35
    +1
    I wonder how many of them want to have at all? ?? Although, they need much more than the hundred that are in service.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 24 December 2018 17: 53
      -1
      Quote: ANCIENT
      I wonder how many of them want to have at all?


      I think so far this question has been answered simply by the Defense Ministry and the answer was to replace junk like Su-24 with new Su-34s in existing formations.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 24 December 2018 19: 16
        -2
        lopvlad. Ask yourself: why was this "old" (Su-24) used in Syria, because the number of produced Su-34s allowed? The duck, apparently, still has a lot to learn. Flying at low altitude with terrain bending, for example. hi
        The GDP stated that in this class (exterminated bombs), the MO will have 700 combat ready vehicles. And this is the whole remaining line of this. Su-27 and MiG-29.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 24 December 2018 21: 45
          -1
          Quote: Kasym
          The duckling, apparently, still has a lot to learn.


          There is nothing to learn from a SU-24 duckling. One SU-34 in combat load replaces two SU-24s, has modern REB facilities and can work as a fighter.


          Quote: Kasym
          Low-altitude flight with enveloping terrain


          what for ? so that any gunman could fill up from ZUSHKA.

          The SU-24 can now be used only against militants completely lacking air defense, and even if you work at an altitude inaccessible to MANPADS (5 meters). We keep them armed exclusively because there is no money to replace them with the SU-000.
          So, in 24 years, the SU-10 will inevitably not be found in the troops, unlike the SU-25, which cannot even be replaced on paper.
          1. NKT
            NKT 24 December 2018 22: 07
            0
            There is a Su-39, which is a Su-25TM. Four pieces built.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 24 December 2018 23: 11
            -1
            You wanted to write "REB".
            That's just the point, Vlad. Su-24 is a highly specialized aircraft. Front-line bomber. And the Su-34 ister-bombs .. Look at the range of ammunition. From X-25 to X-58, all types of AB and NAR, and even suspended containers with guns. Look at the plane's payload. From 9t .. 16 FAB-250 is very decent. Unless, of course, you saw a rupture of at least one AB ... One of the problems in the development of this aircraft was in the placement of a large number of sighting devices for the entire range (for 30 units) of ammunition ... A highly specialized one will always be better than a station wagon in its "niche" ...
            And about flying at low altitude ... We had a P-12 at the airfield, and then a P-18. I have an idea. Flying at such an altitude is difficult for radar to detect. As soon as you climbed to a decent height - you ... well, of course, in short ... Not one life of the Su-24 pilots was paid to "teach" him to fly in this mode - why ?!
            Therefore, I write that the Duckling needs to learn a lot.
            You didn’t really answer. The VKS already has a decent number of Su-34s (for 100 cars), so why use the Su-24s in Syria, and even upgrade them? There is something to think about, at least.
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 25 December 2018 01: 25
              -1
              Quote: Kasym
              Su-24 highly specialized aircraft.


              here I am about how the time of highly specialized aircraft has passed (the exception is perhaps the interceptors of the mig-31 type and tactical aircraft (TU-160, TU-95, TU-22) and the time for aircraft complexes capable of using the entire range of ammunition and working not only "on the ground" but also on air and surface targets.
              In a modern war with an equal adversary, a highly specialized aircraft is not only expensive but defenseless (without escort it is easily destroyed by any fighter).

              And about flying at low altitude ...


              this niche is now being successfully replaced by armored helicopters MI-28, KA-52, which are invisible due to the ability to "hover" in place for old radars and the most difficult target for modern radars.
              SU-24 is not able to hide from modern radars in the terrain, this also contributes to the high minimum speed of the aircraft.

              Quote: Kasym
              More than one life of the Su-24 pilots was paid to "teach" it to fly in this mode - why ?!


              Well, you need this for the developers of the aircraft, which made it extremely difficult to control. As a rule, everything depends on the absence of certain technologies at that time.

              Quote: Kasym
              Duckling needs to learn a lot.


              in its class and its tasks, it is optimal

              Quote: Kasym
              The VKS already has a decent number of Su-34s (for 100 cars), so why use the Su-24s in Syria, and even upgrade them?


              to ruin the resource of new equipment exposing the safety of Russia in free protection of someone else’s sky is expensive and not to mention the fact that the operation of the su-34 is more expensive than the su-24. They are modernizing everything for the same reason that there is a lack of money for the new su-34 because for Russia there is the number of su-34s in the troops is very small.
              Su-24s remain in the army only because of the lack of new su-34s. As soon as the rearmament to su-34 is completed we will not see more su-24s in our troops.
              1. okko077
                okko077 25 December 2018 03: 40
                +3
                The operation of the Su-24M is more expensive than that of the Su-34, remember and don't talk nonsense anymore .... Some Su-24Ms have a Hephaestus SVP-24, which Poghosyan could not ditch and which is more effective than the systems on the Su-34 for bombing with conventional ammunition .... It's a shame to admit and our officials do not want to share the money ..... with "Hephaestus" .... That is why these planes are forced to be used in Syria, there are simply no others .... And the Su- 24M other than a fighter of kerosene and material resources, spare parts are simply difficult to name ... This costly dinosaur should be written off for a long time, but there is nothing in return ... We have no tactical bombers at all ..... Su-25s survive and can perform this role, but there are also problems and very few of them ...
                1. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 25 December 2018 17: 48
                  0
                  Quote: okko077
                  It is a shame to admit and do not want to


                  everything has long been recognized and only the lazy does not know about the SVP-24 after Syria. But apparently little is known about the more efficient Platan complex, which is on the SU-34 and surpasses the Hephaestus.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 25 December 2018 19: 37
                    -1
                    In your opinion, the F-35 is the best - is it a station wagon? laughing Where is he the best?
                    As a fighter who does not want to engage in close combat?
                    Like a bomber, in which a pair of 1000f fits in the bomb bay. AB and a couple of v-in rockets?
                    How attack aircraft or what?
                    Helicopters Su-24 X-series missiles can destroy radars, approaching at low altitude - helicopters cannot. Have you been a radar operator to claim to notice a target at low altitude? Why are pilots taught this flight mode, because it is dangerous?
                    If you read the pilots' comments on the site, you will be surprised to learn that the Su-35 works better on the ground than the Su-34. The payload is less. The co-pilot with an armored cockpit increased the weight of the aircraft - and the engines are the same. So there is work to do.
                    Okay, let's finish the conversation. As a tip, read carefully the comments of the pilots on the site - you will learn a lot of useful things. I also considered the Su-24 "scrap metal", like the MiG-27. But the pilots have a different opinion.
                    1. lopvlad
                      lopvlad 27 December 2018 02: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Kasym
                      F-35 is the best - is he a station wagon?


                      F-35 is a 100% single-engine coffin for the pilot in an air battle.
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 25 December 2018 01: 23
            -1
            Quote: lopvlad
            SU-25 which is not replaced even on paper.

            "I know that this is karma, and no arguing against it ..."(c) Something suggests that when outer space is already plowing with might and main by" Star Destroyers ", on Earth," Rooks "and" Warthogs "will still rise into the air (mattresses have the same garbage). laughing
            1. okko077
              okko077 25 December 2018 03: 46
              +1
              They have F16, but we don’t have such airplanes .....
    2. okko077
      okko077 24 December 2018 18: 21
      -1
      At least 300 units, and preferably around 600 - only 6 divisions for the whole huge country and for foreign business trips .... After 20 years, he will replace all Su-24M, Tu-22M3M just fall apart or fall, the T-95M will die of old age, TU -160M ​​will be sitting on the ground from uselessness, about tactical aviation and attack aircraft in the person of Su-17M4, MiG-27 and S-25, which the Su-34 is replacing now, they will simply forget at all .... A PAK YES will still start release....
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 24 December 2018 18: 48
        -1
        Quote: okko077
        At least 300 pieces, and preferably about 600 ...

        ... and better stopitsot. You, couch strategists, no matter how much you build, you will still print -
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 24 December 2018 19: 29
        -1
        600 is also possible, only who will fly on them? Lack of flight personnel 1300 people.
        And nafik 600 bombers, if the priority in interceptors and fighters is Su-30, Su-35, MiG-31. This is exactly what 600 needs. And under them, airfields need another hundred, so as not to pile them into one big target.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2018 20: 22
          0
          Now the devak will begin to recruit pilots - the situation with the lack of flight personnel will be corrected.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 24 December 2018 21: 50
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now the devak will begin to recruit pilots


            and where to put them. They have health for two (for themselves and to give birth to a bunch of children), but they don’t want to give birth by consuming birth control pills for their whole lives in buckets.
      3. Hypersound
        Hypersound 24 December 2018 20: 37
        -2
        Ideally, 800+ pieces of Su-57, 100-200 MiG-41 and pieces of 300 some 5th generation Su-56 bombers
      4. d1975
        d1975 25 December 2018 02: 54
        +1
        Reading your comets, I would like to ask: "You are writing from which basement of the museum!" am Kapets, the fawn is concrete from you, read more often what you write is funny! laughing
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 December 2018 10: 43
        -1
        Quote: okko077
        In 20 years, he will replace all Su -24М,

        Well, straight Wang with Nostradamus in one bottle.
        Quote: okko077
        At least 300 pieces, and preferably about 600

        And we will not produce SU-30, Su-35 ... and even SU-57 do not need to, because the local Wang said, everything is outdated and is falling.
        Quote: okko077
        Tu -22М3М just fall apart or fall

        Yeah ... and then smoke and fly again. laughing
        Quote: okko077
        T-95M will die of old age

        B-52 until the 70 year, mattresses will be used and as if nothing dies there.
        Quote: okko077
        TU-160M will sit on the ground from futility

        Oh how. That is, the strategist is only able to carry nuclear weapons? Well, maybe in your world this is how it all happens.
  3. Fungus
    Fungus 24 December 2018 17: 38
    -1
    That's great good
  4. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 December 2018 17: 44
    +5
    Before the war with Georgia, there were about 6 such aircraft, today there are more than 127, it pleases. Dedicated to all the nuances and subtleties of aviation, they say the plane turned out very good.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 24 December 2018 18: 01
      +5
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Before the war with Georgia, there were about 6 such aircraft


      there were 2 units in the troops.
    2. Hypersound
      Hypersound 24 December 2018 20: 39
      -1
      Recently, in a training battle, the Su-34 fighter bomber wagon generally defeated the pure Su-35 O__o fighter
  5. Samara_63
    Samara_63 24 December 2018 17: 47
    +2
    Good plane
    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 24 December 2018 20: 39
      -1
      Very. The ideal is not enough stealth
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 December 2018 17: 53
    +4
    Well done, everyone who completed this year is not a simple state defense order. Good luck to everyone in the coming year.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 December 2018 18: 14
    +3
    It's time for the plant to switch to Su57
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2018 20: 23
      -1
      Better immediately for the sixth generation - the Su 57 was supposed to be in service 15 years ago.
  8. Bator
    Bator 24 December 2018 18: 23
    +2
    Airplanes arrived in the Chelyabinsk Region (airfield Shagol)

    but I look I can’t understand, I’m used to the fact that the SU-24 fly over Chelyabinsk, and here it’s like the Su-34 ... Like the Su-34)))))
    1. Kapkan
      Kapkan 24 December 2018 18: 52
      +2
      Yes, they are much quieter. Now I constantly see them in the sky. Beauties!
  9. Alexander X
    Alexander X 24 December 2018 19: 16
    0
    Good! fellow And so on. Extreme aircraft of this party.
    But so that next year:
    "more orders, reliable and different,
    fewer nasty, infectious diseases ... " laughing
  10. ahelo83
    ahelo83 24 December 2018 19: 31
    +1
    He built a refueling complex at the airport in Lipetsk. What the guys were doing in the sky is incomprehensible to the mind.
  11. Hypersound
    Hypersound 24 December 2018 20: 33
    -1
    Good Ducklings. I wish the Su-57 were riveted like pies. Only 25% more expensive, but how much more advanced
  12. Hypersound
    Hypersound 24 December 2018 20: 34
    -1
    Well, I’m glad that 34 is a fighter bomber, not a pure bomber like 24. Maybe you can stand up for yourself, if that
  13. segamegament
    segamegament 24 December 2018 20: 58
    -1
    And once one such "duck" took almost all the air defense of Gryzundia!
  14. spektr9
    spektr9 24 December 2018 21: 23
    +1
    Well, the scribe smoothly approaches the Novosibirsk plant
  15. Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 24 December 2018 21: 30
    +1
    Native a / b Shagol ... eh, rolls bombers, rearmament on new equipment. And what will rearm the reconnaissance squadron? As time goes on, new front-line reconnaissance aircraft complexes are not particularly reported. Felts based on the su-30 will be a complex, felts su-34. Controversial information in the media.
    As far as I remember, there wasn’t an M2 at the base, but there were emkas with hephaestus.
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  17. Radikal
    Radikal 25 December 2018 01: 21
    -1
    Quote: Halado romance
    My dear friend, I’m not satisfied, such comments as we hear and read in the media from liberals who are always suffering and weeping! In any good news you are present all the same with your fly in the ointment in trembling hands! Treating you as a statistical error that you regularly have the opportunity to contemplate all kinds of elections. You know how seasonal colds are not nice but there are. By the way, I remind you that 1941 ended in 1945 on a foreign territory and the paintings of our soldiers on the broken-down Reichstag!

    Liberals, let it be known to you, just about the defense order, on the contrary, rejoice at such a "stunning" pace! lol But we are very upset ... sad
    PS By the way, Budulay - Do you know how many MiG-21s were produced in the USSR per year, for example? wassat
  18. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 25 December 2018 19: 27
    0
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: helmi8
    the last four flew to Shagol

    In aviation, they don't say "last", they say extreme ... wink

    = The plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces has been completed, the last four flew to Shagol. =
    In your opinion, the plan for the supply of Su-34 to the Russian Aerospace Forces has been completed, four EXTREME flew to Shagol, does it sound in Russian?
    Some narrow-minded person decided to "shine", "be original", so to speak, while others, like parrots, well, let's repeat after him.


    The theme of the Russian language is quite an interesting topic. A brotherhood who is friends with the Russian language can convey their thoughts in different ways and without using certain words. It all depends on well-read and knowledge of the language.
  19. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 26 December 2018 07: 15
    0
    The Sukhoi company has completed the implementation of the state defense order in 2018, having transferred the next four new Su-34 front-line bombers to the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    The total number of Su-34s built under all contracts, including seven prototypes and pre-production models, has now reached 127 units.

    Initially, they were planning to replace the entire fleet of Su-24 front-line bombers (240 units), in addition, there are also Su-24 (reconnaissance) ....