Restructuring in the USSR and China - feel the difference

40 years of the so-called Chinese restructuring. It is worth paying attention to the event, if only because the restructuring in the PRC really led to the implementation of the most important reforms, strengthening the state as such, in contrast to the restructuring that the Soviet Union did not endure. The echoes of Gorbachev's perestroika, our country is experiencing to this day.

In his author's program, Agiprop, Konstantin Semin calls the Chinese version “anti-perestroika”, frankly stating that the results of the two “perestroika” turned out to be completely different.

Statistics show that China's per capita GDP of 1978, which is fateful for China, has grown 50 times, because of the poverty line, 700 million people have left, almost 5 times more than the modern population of the Russian Federation. Also, China’s contribution to the global economy has grown almost 10 times and is about 18,2% (data for 2017 year). Feel the difference.

At the same time, some Russian experts argue that Chinese restructuring (or anti-restructuring) has led to negative consequences.

One of those who noticed these consequences was the head of the Accounts Chamber of Russia Alexey Kudrin. According to him, there is an imbalance between the coastal and continental provinces of China, reflected in the economic inequality of the citizens living there.

Read more - in the release of "Agitprop" on the TV channel "Russia 1":

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[Same lech]

the results of the two "perestroika" were completely different.

Quite right ... it is bad that the fate of the USSR depended on the decisions of one person ... Gorbachev in this matter ... we need insurance for this case in our laws and the constitution.

[soul]

We constantly have the fate of the state depends on the decisions of one person and not the team. This practice needs to be changed. And then the leader leaves, and chaos begins.

[Alber]

Quote: alma

We constantly have the fate of the state depends on the decisions of one person and not the team. This practice needs to be changed. And then the leader leaves, and chaos begins.

Why is the Law on the responsibility of senior officials for the harm caused by their actions to the state, people, territories (destruction, collapse, deterioration in the quality of life) ??
Up to the death penalty

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Alber

Why is the Law on the responsibility of senior officials for the harm caused by their actions to the state, people, territories (destruction, collapse, deterioration in the quality of life) ??
Up to the death penalty

You yourself go to such a position or sit in the firing squad?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: alma

We constantly have the fate of the state depends on the decisions of one person and not the team.

Perestroika was unprofitable for the Soviet people, but it was beneficial for the entire party elite of the USSR, and therefore they did not remove Gorbachev back in '86, like Khrushchev ....
The first cooperatives were opened not by yesterday's electricians and seamstresses-minders, but by the acting directors of factories and factories, the "tsekhoviks" came out of the shadows and legalized, and the KGB and OBKHSS could do nothing with them ...
No one listened to Sakharov with his note on the separation of bureaucracy from business, as a result, everything state was in the hands of "shopkeepers", "black marketeers" (who had access to sales markets and connections with foreigners), who were supported by dermords in tracksuits and local law enforcement agencies. ...

[GKS 2111]

Yes, we constantly feel this difference at VO when it comes to the pace and volume of shipbuilding. In the video, railway construction in China is no less impressive ..

[Vadim237]

And with this the railway accidents in China are more.

[Sotskiy]

the results of the two "perestroika" were completely different.

Maybe because China did not abolish the death penalty, including for economic crimes?
And yes! China is not "tse Europe".

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Despite all the brutal measures, corruption in China rolls over this problem, the CCP recognizes. Not only that - the CCP calls the growth of corruption a real threat to the authorities. Interesting statistics from the Central Bank of the PRC with the Academy of Social Sciences that about 90 party functionaries, security officials, justice officials, and enterprises have fled abroad or disappeared since the 20s ... The 000 report says that the fugitives took with them about 2012 billion yuan i.e. much more than 800 billion US dollars. The borders of the established amount after which the death penalty can be applied are also interesting - 100 yuan (over 3 US dollars). It is widely known that tens of kilograms were found by party officials during searches. gold, hundreds of millions of yuan and documents for dozens of houses ... The last such promulgated fact as far as I remember was in 000.

[smaug78]

Exactly, though this does not stop them from covering the country with a network of high-speed railways, riveting destroyers like pies, building cities for which there are no residents yet. And also to wage trade wars with the United States, respond to the arrests of their citizens, and not chew snot. The difference in face compared with Russia. Your training manual is out of date ...

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Ha, ha, ha! Do I have a training manual? Usually stop the thief, the thief himself shouts the loudest! Tell me more about the "happy" Chinese pensioners, and don't forget the "wonderful" ecology! And be sure to tell us about the happy Chinese laborers who are already happy that they got out of their villages poorly and now work in factories and factories where they live, give birth to children and die! Why did the Chinese build empty cities, you ask the Chinese, despite the fact that a huge part of the population by our standards simply beggars there, but according to the Chinese it seems to live ... Storyteller!

[smaug78]

you don’t download, but for railway, destroyers and so on. answer. Tell us about our happy workers, about endangered villages. And why there they shoot and confiscate property even from relatives, and we go out on parole. But I forgot, you won’t answer - the training manual is old

[Cheslav Tsursky]

You need to say strangers. Borya do not upset mom and dad. I am sure they raised you in rudeness.

[smaug78]

Straight on the training manual

[Speedy]

The West invested in China in those years, in contrast to the theft of the USSR in the years of our perestroika. Comparing is stupid.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sorrow

The West invested in China in those years, in contrast to the theft of the USSR in the years of our perestroika. Comparing is stupid.

Actually, the PRC after 89 (the events on the Tan-an-we-square), is still under many Western sanctions ....

[Radical]

Quote: Cheslav Tsursky

Despite all the brutal measures, corruption in China rolls over this problem, the CCP recognizes. Not only that - the CCP calls the growth of corruption a real threat to the authorities. Interesting statistics from the Central Bank of the PRC with the Academy of Social Sciences that about 90 party functionaries, security officials, justice officials, and enterprises have fled abroad or disappeared since the 20s ... The 000 report says that the fugitives took with them about 2012 billion yuan i.e. much more than 800 billion US dollars. The borders of the established amount after which the death penalty can be applied are also interesting - 100 yuan (over 3 US dollars). It is widely known that tens of kilograms were found by party officials during searches. gold, hundreds of millions of yuan and documents for dozens of houses ... The last such promulgated fact as far as I remember was in 000.

And what would be the level of corruption if they did not have the supreme measure?

[Cheslav Tsursky]

If you pay attention, I think you know that middle-ranking party members are subjected to capital punishment there and then not so often. Often, even a sentence is commuted to life imprisonment. If you are interested in my opinion on this issue, then I certainly believe that the maratorium on the death penalty in Russia should be lifted, but I consider it impractical to apply it under economic articles. This was not only to China, but also to the USSR.

[populist]

Konstantin Viktorovich Semin is a Russian journalist, TV presenter of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, musician and documentary filmmaker.
He studied at a prestigious English special school [1]. In 2001 he graduated from the Faculty of Journalism of the Ural State University [2].
Since 1996, has been working on television
In 2012, he graduated with a master's degree from the Department of Documentary Studies at New York University.
Since 2014, she has also been running the Agitprop program (Agitation and Propaganda) on the Russia-24 TV channel [1
According to political views, considers himself a Marxist.

Such a whole red-red one, already wears a red shirt.
And he has been conducting a Marxist program on the central television channel "Russia 24" for 4 (four) years.
Funny dear

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Narodnik, what a laugh! This is all very serious - all uncompromising revolutionaries will definitely come to us from the USA and Germany! Not from Tambov! Well, what are you right word ?!

[DenZ]

Quote: populist

Funny dear

Not at all. Witch-hunt? And do you want it?

[populist]

DenZ (Denis)
Quote: populist
Funny dear

Not at all. Witch-hunt? And do you want it?

First of all, why it is funny.
Semin has been working on TV since 1996. This is the whole 22 years! At what posts did not have time to work. And do people believe that they will keep a Marxist (communist) on television for 22 years?
For four years, Semin has been conducting a purely communist broadcast on the central channel and has still not been kicked out! So well helps to manipulate the minds of gullible viewers!
Now about the witches.
I watched several programs of K. Semin. Pretending to be a true Marxist, he inflicts hidden information attacks on true adherents of leftist ideas. He is not a Marxist communist, but an ordinary embedded manipulator.
Try to figure it out, once again comprehend the situation.

[Lycan]

Quote: populist

Pretending to be a true Marxist, he inflicts hidden information attacks on true adherents of leftist ideas.

Can you give an example? Otherwise, nobody will check all his programs with a pencil in his hands. They will simply remember you as a lover of unproven defamation.

[jurijsv]

May God grant health to Gorbachev to live to trial

[Radical]

Quote: populist

Konstantin Viktorovich Semin is a Russian journalist, TV presenter of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, musician and documentary filmmaker.
He studied at a prestigious English special school [1]. In 2001 he graduated from the Faculty of Journalism of the Ural State University [2].
Since 1996, has been working on television
In 2012, he graduated with a master's degree from the Department of Documentary Studies at New York University.
Since 2014, she has also been running the Agitprop program (Agitation and Propaganda) on the Russia-24 TV channel [1
According to political views, considers himself a Marxist.

Such a whole red-red one, already wears a red shirt.
And he has been conducting a Marxist program on the central television channel "Russia 24" for 4 (four) years.
Funny dear

And then you (for objectivity) the "combat" path of the main anti-Soviet - the Guarantor, for comparison, indicate here - then we'll see which of them is more honest and decent ....

[populist]

And then you (for objectivity) the "fighting" path of the main anti-Soviet - the Guarantor, for comparison, indicate here - then we'll see which of them is more honest and decent ..

Remember such politicians as Seleznev and Semigin. This is an example. So the guarantor does not forget his first profession as a counterintelligence.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: populist

the guarantor does not forget his first profession of counterintelligence.

He never worked in counterintelligence, confused with Ivanov ....

[Radical]

Quote: Cheslav Tsursky

Narodnik, what a laugh! This is all very serious - all uncompromising revolutionaries will definitely come to us from the USA and Germany! Not from Tambov! Well, what are you right word ?!

But thieves, and their corrupt, homegrown!

[Radical]

Quote: Cheslav Tsursky

If you pay attention, I think you know that middle-ranking party members are subjected to capital punishment there and then not so often. Often, even a sentence is commuted to life imprisonment. If you are interested in my opinion on this issue, then I certainly believe that the maratorium on the death penalty in Russia should be lifted, but I consider it impractical to apply it under economic articles. This was not only to China, but also to the USSR.

The question is controversial, and the fact that you "economic" articles would like to get out of the VMN leads to quite definite reflections!

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Quote: Radikal

The question is controversial, and the fact that you "economic" articles would like to get out of the VMN leads to quite definite reflections!

It would be strange for a person with Stalin on his profile picture without "certain reflections" ... I understand you. What thieves are on ?! Contra on, enemies of the people, spies all around ... Yes, and again there is someone to dispossess! People then again puffed up fat ... Sorry, I will not distract you with my stupidity from such serious state thoughts!

[AllXVahhaB]

for the PRC congress of the 1978 model, China's per capita GDP grew 50 times, due to the poverty line, 700 million people came out - almost 5 times the current population of the Russian Federation. Also, China's contribution to the global economy has grown by almost 10 times and amounts to about 18,2% (data for 2017). Feel the difference.

And for some reason no one mentions that in China there are neither paid holidays nor pensions ...

[Radical]

Quote: Cheslav Tsursky

Quote: Radikal

The question is controversial, and the fact that you "economic" articles would like to get out of the VMN leads to quite definite reflections!

It would be strange for a person with Stalin on his profile picture without "certain reflections" ... I understand you. What thieves are on ?! Contra on, enemies of the people, spies all around ... Yes, and again there is someone to dispossess! People then again puffed up fat ... Sorry, I will not distract you with my stupidity from such serious state thoughts!

So you are not distracting, you have listed everything correctly, your words are just caressing your ears!

[Radical]

Quote: populist

And then you (for objectivity) the "fighting" path of the main anti-Soviet - the Guarantor, for comparison, indicate here - then we'll see which of them is more honest and decent ..

Remember such politicians as Seleznev and Semigin. This is an example. So the guarantor does not forget his first profession as a counterintelligence.

Firstly, you did not understand what I was talking about, and secondly, he was not a counterintelligence ....

[denart50]

"Since the fateful congress for the PRC in 1978, China's GDP per capita has grown 50 times, 700 million people left the poverty line - almost 5 times more than the modern population of the Russian Federation. Also, China's contribution to the world economy has grown almost 10 times and is about 18,2% (data for 2017) Feel the difference"...

And now in China, the question arose (!!!) of reducing the retirement age for men and women to 55 and 50 years old, respectively (well, 45 - for hard work) ...
Of course, it can be justified by the fact that they have someone to work to serve pensioners, that is, a huge population ...
But still - their achievements are not worthy of ridicule, but at least quiet respect ...
PS Although I am NOT a supporter of China from the word absolutely ...

[Vadim237]

70% of the population will not receive pensions at all - that’s why the reduction in their retirement age is justified, in all other countries of the world they only increase their retirement age.

[Axel]

Do not carry nonsense. In China, has long been a pension for all. Not very high, but above the average Russian already.

[Stalnov I.P.]

In China, power is for the PEOPLE, and we have for ourselves beautiful, well-fed, polished, cynical, immoral, thieving, greedy, botox.