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At the shipyard Dalian 4 are built immediately analogue of American destroyers with Aegis - 052DG

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Chinese media publish photos from the shipbuilding enterprise located in Dalian. It is noted that the Dalian Shipyard is today one of the busiest military orders in the world.


At the shipyard Dalian 4 are built immediately analogue of American destroyers with Aegis - 052DG


The shipyard is simultaneously building at least 4 destroyers of the Type 052 project for the Chinese Navy. We are talking about the modification of 052DG rocket destroyers, which are at different stages of construction.

Recall that earlier representatives of the management of the industrial cluster of the PRC declared the readiness of shipyards for the simultaneous construction of 10 of such destroyers, which would be an absolute record of all recent times.

The Chinese destroyers Type 052 in China itself are called an analogue of American warships with Aegis systems. The PLA Navy destroyers are equipped with two vertical launch systems with 64 cells each - for launching HQ-9B anti-aircraft missiles, as well as anti-ship and anti-submarine missiles.

Also, the Dalian shipyard is building the Chinese equivalent of the American stealth destroyer Zumwalt.

It is noted that the Chinese shipyard in question is the fastest growing in the world. Its production capacity has grown by about 64% over 10 years. This is the data of American sources.

It should be noted that at the same shipyard is conducted "refinement" of the newest Chinese aircraft carrier Type 001A and the modernization of the aircraft carrier "Liaoning".
In total, the Dalian enterprise is building and upgrading 13 warships of various modifications.
Photos used:
sina.com.cn
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  1. Altona
    Altona 24 December 2018 13: 41
    +5
    For our economy, such a large-scale construction of the navy would be too burdensome.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 December 2018 13: 48
      +22
      Quote: Altona
      For our economy, such a large-scale construction of the navy would be too burdensome.

      sarcasm? steal more then ... request
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 24 December 2018 14: 38
        -5

        I recalled how in China in every rural house they wanted to put a furnace for smelting cast iron and thus overtake the whole world in quantity ...

        I wonder how much better are their modern ships than that of cast iron?


        1. hrych
          hrych 24 December 2018 14: 50
          -7
          They will lament now that we cannot do this. Although if you take the construction of nuclear submarines, which, unlike the Chinese, are very advanced, then Chinese alas-patriots lament there. wassat
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 24 December 2018 14: 52
            -5
            Quote: hrych
            They will lament now that we cannot do this. Although if you take the construction of nuclear submarines, which, unlike the Chinese, are very advanced, then Chinese alas-patriots lament there. wassat



            I'm just about it
          2. donavi49
            donavi49 24 December 2018 14: 59
            +18
            ICAPL - Pike-B fell apart. Total 4 for two fleets alive (and, more or less, only Kuzbass and Cheetah) + Severodvinsk + Obninsk. Everything.
            SSBNs without the guardianship of ICAPL or a powerful surface fleet - do not live. sad
            1. hrych
              hrych 24 December 2018 15: 02
              -4
              Quote: donavi49
              Pike-B fell apart

              Yes, yes, they fell apart so that they can’t eat wassat
          3. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 24 December 2018 16: 17
            +4
            Quote: hrych
            They will lament now that we cannot do this. Although if you take the construction of nuclear submarines, which, unlike the Chinese, are very advanced, then Chinese alas-patriots lament there.
            We could have done this once ... the Chinese, back in the 90s, ordered destroyers from us and diesel submarines, but now they themselves have learned and are riveting with might and main. So give time and your submarines will raise their level
            1. hrych
              hrych 24 December 2018 17: 48
              -8
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Nuclear submarines will raise their level

              No, they will not raise, they will not have time. Trump has already sentenced them. It will strangle them at least economically. The Russian Federation survived the crisis during the collapse of the Union, when logistics collapsed, survived the EBN, when everyone destroyed and destroyed, and now you can only admire that we are capable of making machines such as Borei and Yaseni, and you admire the Chinese, who for 20 years have not been able to copy jet engine. So the trough was blinded and what? They are not out of kindness, but because of critical necessity, they are buying from us fighters and air defense systems, and radar weapons. They bought from the S-300, copied and that ... it turned out worse than junk, went to buy the S-400, and we will release the S-500 soon. I am simply amazed at the admiration for what it is not worth admiring. Again, check them out in battle, and then admire them.
        2. kit88
          kit88 24 December 2018 15: 04
          +2
          I think as much as the iPhone XS is better than Nokla (if anyone remembers this). Both are produced in China.
          1. MY THOUGHT
            MY THOUGHT 24 December 2018 17: 35
            +2
            Quote: kit88
            how much better is the iPhone XS

            Compare with the huava, at such a pace soon they will remember about iPhone what
      2. Altona
        Altona 24 December 2018 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        sarcasm? steal more then ...

        ---------------------
        Andrei, stopping the theft does not mean organizing the construction and educating staff. These tasks are completely not identical.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 24 December 2018 14: 03
      +15
      Quote: Altona
      For our economy, such a large-scale construction of the navy would be too burdensome.

      The ships of this project are being built in China since 2012.. Already 8 destroyers are part of the Navy, three are being tested at sea, three more are being completed afloat. In addition, at least five ships are on the slipways. Thus, the PLA Navy will receive at least 19 Type 052D destroyers.
      Pay attention to the entry period, from bookmark to delivery to the fleet.
      It takes us about 5 years to destroyer.
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 24 December 2018 14: 10
        +25
        Quote: kapitan92
        It takes us about 5 years to destroyer.

        we think they have not been built at all since the days of the USSR. Frigates hardly pass.
      2. kjhg
        kjhg 24 December 2018 14: 28
        +16
        Quote: kapitan92
        It takes us about 5 years to destroyer.

        If winked Frigate Gorshkov was built 13-14 years old, as I recall. And the first serial ship following it will be commissioned in 10 years! after the bookmark, if it is passed in the next year.
        I’m even afraid to imagine how many years the lead destroyer will be built, if it is laid down belay . Twenty years? The current government is better at holding Olympics and World Championships than building ships negative
      3. hrych
        hrych 24 December 2018 15: 00
        -12
        Quote: kapitan92
        Pay attention to the entry period, from bookmark to delivery to the fleet.

        We will see them in battle, and only then we will draw conclusions. The last confrontation between the squadrons was during the capture of the Syrian shelf, when we managed to land troops under the cover of our squadron led by the cruiser Moscow, and from the enemy side there were 5 destroyers, a frigate, 3 nuclear submarines and 1 BDK to capture the coast, but which, in 6 if Not 7 times more than our displacement tank. There were even missile launches, but the enemy was retreating. Let the Chinese show what is similar, then we will glorify them, but I'm afraid to see burning big iron junks in the East China Sea. In addition to the West, Japan and Korea are also able to deploy powerful squadrons.
        1. snake
          snake 24 December 2018 15: 28
          +8
          Quote: hrych
          The last confrontation between the squadrons was during the capture of the Syrian shelf, when we managed to land troops under the cover of our squadron led by the cruiser Moscow, and from the enemy side there were 5 destroyers, a frigate, 3 nuclear submarines and 1 BDK to capture the coast, but which, in 6 if Not 7 times more than our displacement tank. There were even missile launches, but the enemy was retreating.

          Whose missiles are launched, and by whom? Listen to you, so recently Tsushima happened ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 24 December 2018 16: 26
            -9
            It was necessary to read the news. Two missiles were shot down by the air defense of our ships. Google itself, if not in the subject. And if there were no burning ships, it does not mean that there was no confrontation. During the Caribbean crisis, blood did not spill, but it was no less hot there. They stood on the Ugra, looked at each other and parted, and the story went a different way. Also in the Crimea, fighting did not happen, they blocked ukrobogatyry, well, it’s true that someone was butt-smacked in the teeth. But dispensed with bloodshed during the battle, the cruiser Moscow blocked ukrostrugi there, flooded the ship to block. Apparently this is so for you, but in fact the military operation and not dying off ukrobogatyr, would have to be smeared and bloodier to stain the land and water.
            1. snake
              snake 24 December 2018 17: 18
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              Two missiles were shot down by the air defense of our ships.

              Whose KR
              Quote: hrych
              But dispensed with bloodshed during the battle, the cruiser Moscow blocked ukrostrugi there, flooded the ship to block. Apparently this is so for you, but actually a military operation

              Extreme maneuvers - perhaps, but a combat operation? Someone was shot with the "main battery" and sunk? No? And how then does this prove the combat capabilities of the ship? Thus, the fight of the Nanai boys can be called kneading MMA.
              1. hrych
                hrych 24 December 2018 17: 36
                -7
                Quote: serpent
                Whose KR

                Go google yourself. Should I also work for you? wassat If there was a missile interception, then this is not a maneuver, but a clash, like it or not.
                1. snake
                  snake 24 December 2018 17: 49
                  +4
                  Quote: hrych
                  Go google yourself. Should I also work for you?

                  To write a few words - they would not be overworked, I think. Something did not find anything. There is a mention that the Russian air defense in Tartus and Khmeimim tracked the launches of Amer’s KR and that’s all ... Maybe you dreamed it?
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 24 December 2018 18: 24
                    -7
                    Links are prohibited on the site.
                    1. snake
                      snake 24 December 2018 22: 23
                      +4
                      Is it also forbidden to just write "it was the US CD (for example)"? Two words. And the question is settled. But no, you have to flirt. Build yourself out of a "person in the subject". Like, whoever needs it, he knows ... Please don’t bother your fingers, Your Grace, I’ll look for more myself.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 24 December 2018 23: 06
                        -5
                        First, ask culturally and politely. And you get a normal answer.
                      2. snake
                        snake 24 December 2018 23: 19
                        +4
                        Three comments you "poked" me - I did not say a word. And here it is again. And you still reproach me for being impolite? Where I asked rudely?
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 24 December 2018 23: 37
                        -3
                        What is not clear, you need to ask, not compare with Tsushima. In political terms, this confrontation is not inferior to the events of the Russo-Japanese War. Syria, in addition to the shelf with oil and gas reserves, is of great strategic importance in the region. We in Syria stopped the Revolution - Arab Spring. In Syria, a scythe of American world hegemony came upon a stone. And so forth, and so forth. And if they have treated themselves with little blood and lost only a few pieces of equipment, then this speaks of the wisdom of the generals. Against the background of launches of hundreds of missiles, like a huge number of downed missiles, those events went into the shadows.
                      4. snake
                        snake 24 December 2018 23: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        What is not clear, you need to ask, not compare with Tsushima.

                        Tsushima cited the example of a great naval battle. You painfully described the interception of the Kyrgyz Republic as something epic.
                      5. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 00: 08
                        -4
                        The Tsushima battle is the mediocrity of our naval commanders, like the whole war, continuous mistakes of our commanders, combined with betrayal, and Makarov was destroyed by sabotage along with Petropavlovsk. There was such an agent of Japanese intelligence - Kolchak, then the same thing happened with the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet "Empress Maria", also blown up from the inside. In 2013, about this event with launches, it was reported on central channels, was the topic of discussion and loud statements. Then everyone abruptly fell silent and did not return to the topic, and Putin announced the destruction of Syrian chemistry. Now the video cannot be found, but there were statements from those close to the military circles about these events. I didn’t save them, and now, after the mass launches, this is no longer relevant. There was a confrontation between the fleet, we got ahead of their landing and five of our large landing ships were the first to capture the bridgehead, they had a huge large landing craft "San Antonio", which is the largest of ours in displacement, 5 destroyers, a frigate and 3 nuclear submarines were to ensure the landing with the destruction of coastal defenses. In terms of significance, one can compare the events with the Cuban missile crisis. And Tsushima is resting here, then there was no threat of an exchange of nuclear strikes.
                      6. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 00: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: hrych
                        The Tsushima battle is the mediocrity of our naval commanders, like the whole war, the continuous mistakes of our commanders, combined with betrayal, and Makarov was destroyed by sabotage along with Petropavlovsk.

                        Where did you go? Tsushima in my comment is just a household name for the naval battle. Tsushima is not happy? Let Trafalgar be. Not the point.
                        Quote: hrych
                        In 2013, about this event with launches, it was reported through central channels, it was the topic of discussion and high-profile statements. Then sharply everyone fell silent and they didn’t return to the topic, and Putin announced the destruction of Syrian chemistry. Video not found now, but there were statements and close to military circles, on these events. I did not save them, and now after mass launches this has become no longer relevant.

                        Secret to be? And only a small brave website was not afraid to post this terrible information ...
                        And still vague doubts torment me: was there a boy?
                      7. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 00: 38
                        -4
                        Let us turn to the chronology:
                        On September 3, US Congress leaders supported the strike on Syria. On September 4, 2013, the US Senate Committee proposes to limit the duration of the operation against Syria to 60 days. On September 5, 2013, the US Senate Committee approved a military operation in Syria. September 6, 2013 Obama wants to expand the list of targets in Syria and include in the Air Force operation. September 6, 2013 In the US Senate, it was decided to postpone the vote on the Syrian resolution from September 9 to 11. Everything was decided and suddenly everything stopped. This is September 2013, and in November hit the Maidan, as an option in response to the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria, in order to remove us from that theater. But the cruiser Moscow participated in the blockade of the Banderflot in early 2014 and the return of the Crimea. Then the ATO of Donbass, but the Russian Federation unexpectedly starts a war with caliphates and Nusrins in 2015, and in fact with the West over Syria, and if Trump withdraws troops, then the victory is won. The war with America began in that confrontation of 2013, although they didn’t shoot at each other, although the Tomahawks flew and someone shot them down, probably the Syrians.
                      8. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 00: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Everything was decided and suddenly everything stopped.

                        There could be many reasons for this. Causality is even greater.
                        Quote: hrych
                        War with America has begun in that confrontation 2013, although they did not shoot at each other, although the Tomahawks flew and they were shot down by someone, probably the Syrians.

                        Few facts about that confrontation. So have the Syrians shot them down, not the Russian air defense?
                      9. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 01: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: serpent
                        Few facts about the confrontation.

                        Then it's easier to take and deny everything. Okay, their destroyers and apl, but what did San Antonio do there? Why was he there?
                      10. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 01: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Then it's easier to take and deny everything.

                        And what if there is no specifics?
                        Quote: hrych
                        but what did San Antonio do there? Why was he there?

                        Who knows? They don’t report to me. Maybe he brought weapons and pickups to barmaleys.
                      11. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 01: 28
                        -3
                        Quote: serpent
                        Maybe he brought weapons and pickups to barmaleys.

                        Assad’s forces controlled the coast, so pickups should be unloaded, it’s necessary to capture the coast. Let's decide that we were driving ice cream and going our separate ways. Well spent on loading and unloading, diesel burned unnecessarily and home. Compare the two facts, the decisions of Obama and Congress about the strike on Syria with the movement of the squadron. And then ... nothing. Reverse. And live with it further wassat Maybe something prevented them from having an operation? AND? Could there have been reasons for Obama's disgrace? Maybe this was a joke? Did Congressmen play a humorous scene?
                      12. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 01: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Assad’s forces controlled the coast, so pickups should be unloaded, it’s necessary to capture the coast.

                        Could through Turkey. For an invasion, one BDK is not enough. Even such as San Antonio.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Maybe something prevented them from having an operation? AND?

                        Maybe something got in the way? But what? Not the fact that destroyed (is it?) KR.
                      13. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 01: 39
                        -2
                        It is necessary to converge on the fact that something happened that turned the course of events. There were squadrons, there was no point in denying, there were Obamakongress decisions, the fleet was going to carry them out. There is no point in denying it. Barmalei, as usual, went on the attack on all fronts. Missile launches are fixed, then there is no reliable data. Then our squadron stands still, their squadron goes back. Then Maidan, Crimea, ATO and our Syrian operation. You can neglect the chronology and causal relationship, but you can not. Oh yes, of course, the data of the American and Norwegian drillers forgot, doing exploration on the Syrian shelf laughingIt all started with this, that and that.
                      14. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 01: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Missile launches are fixed, then there is no reliable data.

                        How not? And this:
                        Quote: hrych
                        It was necessary to read the news. Two missiles were shot down by the air defense of our ships. Google itself, if not in the subject. And if there were no burning ships, it does not mean that there was no confrontation.

                        Quote: hrych
                        The last confrontation between the squadrons was during the capture of the Syrian shelf, when we managed to land troops under the cover of our squadron led by the cruiser Moscow, and from the enemy side there were 5 destroyers, a frigate, 3 nuclear submarines and 1 BDK to capture the coast, but which, in 6 if Not 7 times more than our displacement tank. There were even missile launches, but the enemy was retreating.

                        So that.

                        Quote: hrych
                        Then Maidan, Crimea, ATO and our Syrian operation.

                        They began to "prepare" Ukraine long before 2013.
                      15. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 02: 15
                        -2
                        Quote: serpent
                        For an invasion, one BDK is not enough. Even such as San Antonio.

                        Enough for the bridgehead, plus the combined power of 5 destroyers and 3 nuclear submarines with a bunch of Tomogawks, the banks will be thoroughly cleaned.
                        Quote: serpent
                        How not? And this:

                        Not for me, but for you laughing Everything is clear to me what happened. And by the way, everything is logical, and not how, they say, they thought, went, changed their minds ...
                        Quote: serpent
                        They began to "prepare" Ukraine long before 2013.

                        No, not for long. Actions began spontaneously, and so in a few months there were elections and it would be more logical to arrange all this for the elections. As a result of this rush, Crimea and, in fact, Donbass were lost. Those. for the most part, the plan failed completely. In order to expel us from the Syrian shelf, we arranged the Odessa burnt offering, but we did not abandon Syria and did not invade Ukraine. In the middle of April 2014, the West began to slow down the South Stream in order to put pressure on the Russian Federation, in December Putin announced that it was being turned off and made by the Turkish Stream, then in Turkey an unsuccessful coup. Obama and Biden broke off with the Donbass shale gas. In short, there is a big oil and gas war and these are all its fronts. Now Trump is dropping the Syrian front, we can arrange the Victory, but everything will be decided in Ukraine. There was also a little before the election and the denouement was close.
                      16. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 10: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Enough for the bridgehead, plus the combined power of 5 destroyers and 3 nuclear submarines with a bunch of Tomogawks, the banks will be thoroughly cleaned.

                        And yet ... Americans do not fight with such small forces. In vain do they have such a huge USMC. Well, cleared the bridgehead, and then what? Reinforcements where? SAA would dare them back to sea. If you were going to capture, then what would not bring more BDK?
                        Quote: hrych
                        Not for me, but for you. Everything is clear to me what happened. And by the way, everything is logical, and not how, they say, they thought, went, changed their minds ...

                        Nobody says: "Go, change your mind." The question is, what influenced it? And here a huge field for speculation, fabrication and innuendo already appears.
                        Quote: serpent
                        They began to "prepare" Ukraine long before 2013.

                        Quote: hrych
                        No, not for long. Actions began spontaneously, and so in a few months there were elections and it would be more logical to arrange all this for the elections.

                        Victoria Nuland said that the United States has invested $ 5 billion in Ukraine since 1991. Slowly, quiet glanders, slowly but deeply.
                        Quote: hrych
                        To drive us off the Syrian shelf,

                        Oh, this shelf was given to you ... Direct idea is some kind of fix.
                        Quote: hrych
                        There was also a little before the election and the denouement was close.

                        And I believe that all this Marlezon ballet will last forever ... Within the framework of one generation, at least.
                      17. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 12: 23
                        -1
                        No, they didn’t dare, then the main forces of the SAA were connected by daishaks, nusra and SSA. When the Tomahawks hit several hundred missiles, and the squadron had, plus an air raid from nearby bases, would the SSA provide support at the landing site. Also, the Turks would start a ground operation in the north, and the Jordanians / Israelis from the south. Assad would not have a single chance to survive. But then our squadron came up and history took a different path ... The war began over a field with oil reserves, like Kuwait or half of the SA’s reserves. Therefore, immediately as an American company, working under a contract, discovered this, then it all started. And the Syrian cross - two gas pipes, i.e. Qatari and Iranian are also on this subject, plus the giant gas field Leviathan, the shelf of Israel, Lebanon and Syria, would also enter this southern corridor to the EU through Turkey. Watering our South Stream and hello. It is clear that the hired army of the Saudi king and emir of Qatar in the form of daishaks and nusra attacked Syria and Iraq (moreover, the officer corps of Saddam provided strategy and tactics). And the Americans wanted to take the Coast and Oil Fields of Deir ez-Zor; the latter, relying on the Kurds, succeeded, but the coast was not given. Of course, Ukraine was in their development, but I repeat, they hurried with the Maidan because of Syria and screwed up because of the rush, having lost the Crimea and the Donbass. They would have waited for the elections, they would have taken power legitimately and we would have no reason to take Crimea, just as the ATO did not happen, i.e. Russian Spring. Slowly and surely the pro-Russian forces would have strangled both in the Crimea and in the Donbass. And then urgency, haste, as a result of the failure of the Syrian plan and the secondary Ukrainian. And we didn’t give up the Syrian shelf, so we took the Crimean shelf (by the way with gas), and the World Pantry - Donbass (there, in addition to coal and shale gas, rare earth metals also say uranium). The utter failure of the West. Sheer. Nowadays, Turpotok is under construction and SP-2, and Yanukovych carried out monitoring of the pipe in 2012 and it is 85% worn out, in 2013 they invested in restoration and everything died out with the Maidan. The pipe is unusable, and in 2019 the transit contract ends and everything coincided with the elections. Those. The Syrian war (of Russia and the West) is ending now, and its secondary Ukrainian front will end in 2019. The Great Oil and Gas Syrian War however. In fact, we have already seized lands, water areas, and deposits. They are only Zor, but he is cut off from the sea and they leave. Another Iranian pipe went the other way, to Pakistan, so the United States with BV is forced to move to the Asia-Pacific region, they would still have to keep Afghanistan differently to China, bypassing the sea, energy will come from Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Iran. It will be harder to strangle China with a sea blockade. And this is not the Great Syrian Oil and Gas War, but the World Economic War of the Golden and Rice Billion, where we are still neutral, but I hope we will take the side of the West when they merge Syria and Ukraine with us, otherwise we will help the Chinese. Therefore, Trump is not good-natured, but wants us to his side, that's all.
                      18. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 12: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Those. The Syrian war (of Russia and the West) is ending now, and its secondary Ukrainian front will end in 2019.

                        Brave claim. But this reasoning is for several dozen more comments. This is what interests me: There is no normal, tested and verified information about the "Syrian naval battle". Only guesses, rumors, omissions. On the basis of this "battle", you also registered the Chinese with their destroyers as losers. Like they have never been in such alterations. But the fact is that this "alteration" itself did not happen. Some kind of left-wing sources, "remote" information that sounded earlier ... Everything is neat with you. The Russian Federation rakes in oil and gas, rare earth metals, gold and diamonds. Why then take pennies from the population?
                      19. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 13: 35
                        -1
                        To begin with, the cruiser Moscow participated in the battle with Georgian boats, blocked the banderflot, led the Mediterranean squadron that performed the combat mission. Ships so also hit barmaley inflicted. I’m what it is for, our fleet, especially the legendary cruiser Moscow, carried out military operations. Not just like that, but let's call it almost a naval battle. This is the confrontation of squadrons, when the enemy fleet received an order from the US Government and ... did not comply with it, you see it as insignificant, but to me the opposite. And gentlemen, the Chinese, unfortunately or fortunately, cannot boast of this. It just so happened that after the Indians, Russians and Vietnamese were hanging on them, the Chinese have no experience in conducting a modern war and absolutely no experience in naval battles. Therefore, before admiring the unfinished ships, you need to wait how it will be in practice. The fleet of the West is very advanced, well equipped and burdened with combat experience. Let's just say that for the Falklands there were sea battles, with sunk cruisers, destroyers and UDC. The Russian Federation noted modestly of course, but our squadron ordered the Supreme to comply, but they are not. It means nothing to you, but to me it means a lot. And since the combat mission has been completed, and there are none, respectively, we can safely put the Victory into our set off, and they lose. Like it or not. And the fact that there were launches, they are fixed, etc., speaks of the tension of the situation and the seriousness of the moment. Those. there was a combat use of weapons, as it happened, apparently a secret, but it was. Therefore, I propose to close the topic, to assess the chances of the Chinese in the confrontation of the fleet of the West, Japan, Taiwan and Korea, as doubtful, but to evaluate the actions of our fleet in the waters of the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, to evaluate the actions of the fleet of the West in these waters as failure, which did not fulfill the order and combat mission, and Cook was subjected to demonstrative obstruction ...
                      20. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 21: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        I’m what it is for, our fleet, especially the legendary cruiser Moscow, carried out military operations. Not just like that, but let's call it almost a naval battle.

                        With an equal opponent, he did not butt. What for the missile cruiser boats and ukrolohani? But what about launching missiles on banderlogs? We will call this combat firing and maneuvering in oncoming courses with short tacks.
                        Quote: hrych
                        This is the confrontation of squadrons, when the enemy fleet received an order from the US Government and ... did not comply with it, you see it as insignificant, but to me the opposite.

                        Here, everyone decides for himself, you are right. To some, the Battle of the Ice is not a battle, but to someone Standing on the Ugra is quite a battle.
                        Quote: hrych
                        And gentlemen, the Chinese, unfortunately or fortunately, cannot boast of this. It just so happened that after the Indians, Russians and Vietnamese were hanging on them, the Chinese have no experience in conducting a modern war and absolutely no experience in naval battles.

                        Experience is a gain. The Chinese are now actively spreading their bases around the world. And do not forget Gian Giacomo Trivulzio, who said: "For a war you need three things - money, money and more money." And China's economy needs no introduction. Yes, China poured out to the Indians, Vietnamese and the USSR. But "that" China and China "today" are two differences, as they say. Some 40 years ago, the PRC caused laughter from the world's leading countries, riveted low-quality fakes and did not particularly stick out. And now the Yellow Dragon has woken up and his appetites are truly "draconian".
                        Quote: hrych
                        Therefore, before admiring the unfinished ships, you need to wait how it will be in practice.

                        There is no talk of admiration. Envy. This is what gnaws at the sight of Chinese shipbuilding. With the pace of equipping the Navy of the PRC, only the yacht fleet of our oligarch toltosoums can compare.
                        Quote: hrych
                        our squadron executed the order of the Supreme, but they are not. It means nothing to you, but to me it means a lot. And since the combat mission has been completed, and there are none, respectively, we can safely put the Victory into our set off, and they lose.

                        Who would doubt that. There is such a saying: "Do not make excuses. The one who hates you will not believe you anyway. And the one who loves will come up with an excuse for you." So you, interpret any controversial situation according to your point of view. The US squadron was walking to the shores of Syria, and then, for reasons unknown to open sources, turned around and sailed in the opposite direction. There were cruise missile launches. Someone said that he seemed to have heard someone say that in a Lebanese newspaper, between an article about the breeding of donkeys and the announcement of the sale and purchase of spare parts for a motor scooter, information was written that allegedly the ship's air defense of the Russian Federation had been intercepted by the Kyrgyz Republic USA. What conclusion do we draw with you? Right. The Russian Navy squadron repelled, scattered and put to flight the US Navy squadron. Well, obviously!
                        Quote: hrych
                        Like it or not.

                        And whoever doesn’t like it, we will brand it as a Bandera-fascist or State Department agent, and all this is short!
                        Quote: hrych
                        Those. there was a combat use of weapons, as it happened, apparently a secret, but it was.

                        That is what unwavering faith means! Secret, there is no reliable information, but it was! There was a point! Though cut me up and down! How did this happen? Did this happen? These are not the questions that a true patriot should ask himself. A true patriot should ask himself: Who else would be defeated so that there would be world peace?
                        Quote: hrych
                        Therefore, I propose to close the topic, assess the chances of the Chinese in the confrontation of the fleet of the West, Japan, Taiwan and Korea, as doubtful,

                        China has not yet reached full strength. Before the same Tsushima battle, the Japanese also thought they were "one left", but that's how it happened ... Well, let's close it. And then again we will reach Borodino, or even the Trojan War. laughing
                        Quote: hrych
                        and Cook was subjected to demonstrative obstruction ...

                        I'm aware of what kind of Cook you are, but still:
                        "And there was no trick or trick at all.
                        Entered without knocking, almost without sound,
                        They put a bamboo club into action,
                        Bale right in the crown, and there is no Cook. "(C)
                      21. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 25 December 2018 00: 43
                        +1
                        "ahead of their landing and five of our large landing craft were the first to seize the bridgehead, they had a huge large landing craft" San Antonio ", which is the largest of ours in terms of displacement, 5 destroyers, a frigate and 3 nuclear submarines had to ensure the landing with the destruction of coastal defense" ///// /
                        -----
                        This is what kind of computer game are you developing the plot from?
                        You have an interesting life - even envy good - come up with battle ones yourself
                        the scripts themselves begin to believe in them. laughing
                      22. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 00: 46
                        -3
                        Warrior, here people talk, and you wedged in, it’s better to distinguish a raven from a seagull David’s sling wassat Okay, stay, we have pluralism, we can spit wassat
                      23. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 01: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        This is what kind of computer game are you developing the plot from?

                        Khrych Sea Wolf Navy Simulator Ultimate Edition.
                      24. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 00: 14
                        -3
                        A more or less reliable scheme, the only ship instead of the Varyag seemed to be a different ship, and our submarines were definitely there too, and I'm afraid their enemy was scared the most.
                      25. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 00: 36
                        +3
                        A beautiful picture, but it is not visible on it that the enemy was afraid of our submarines. Just as you can’t see the interception of the air defense of the Russian Navy. Deployment Scheme. She on the topic does not say anything.
                      26. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 00: 52
                        -2
                        If you want, because the request for the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic will be taken to late links, hammer in the archive entries on September 4, 2013, a little later. They report the launch and interception of missiles by the central media of the Russian Federation and not only.
                      27. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 25 December 2018 11: 12
                        +2
                        The enemy pulled a group of corbels with cruise missiles to fire at the suburbs of Damascus in order to frighten Assad and, at the same time, test a new modification of Tomahawk (rockets with constant satellite communications). Enemy ships fired on a suburb of Damascus simultaneously from the Mediterranean Sea, the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. Checked the synchronization of actions. No one bothered them.
                        The French and English have tested their new CDs.
                      28. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 11: 25
                        +2
                        This happened in our reality. In reality, the venerable Hrych, everything was different.
                      29. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2018 12: 32
                        -2
                        Your reality is stupid and illogical, and mine with a clear chronology and causal connection. And unfortunately not mine, but world-class analysts whom I just read, and you have an analyst Vojaka Uh from the kibbutz and Serpent ... wassat
                      30. snake
                        snake 25 December 2018 12: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Your reality is stupid and illogical, and mine with a clear chronology and causal connection.

                        You have come up with causal relationships. Rather, she, this connection is one - 2 downed KR.
                        Quote: hrych
                        and you have an analyst Vojaka Wow from the kibbutz and Serpent ..

                        Almost every second opponent on the site considers it his duty to say something about my nickname. Well, a serpent, so what? This nickname partially consists of my full name. Not to be called a serpentine.
      4. Alex 2016
        Alex 2016 24 December 2018 15: 36
        +4
        Aren't you excited about the timing of the construction of our ships? Considering how many "ships" of lesser or incomprehensible rank and purpose are sometimes built. When were destroyers built in Russia (I mean from scratch, in modern Russia)?
      5. Altona
        Altona 24 December 2018 17: 41
        0
        Quote: kapitan92
        Pay attention to the entry period, from bookmark to delivery to the fleet.
        It takes us about 5 years to destroyer.

        -------------------------
        I talked about the task in a complex, starting with financing and ending with the availability of capacities, personnel, components and organizational component. We spend more on a destroyer, since there is not much, namely power plants, weapons, stocks, there is not even a promising project. Maybe even understanding what we want in the ending. The Chinese are building on the principle "we will copy everything we can from the hegemon, we will build the tactics later or on the fly." We do not have the opportunity to go "by touch" as they say, figuring out then whether we need it or not.
    3. Boris Ivanov
      Boris Ivanov 24 December 2018 14: 27
      +24
      an unemployed person looks through the glass of a restaurant as a rich oyster and black caviar eats .. and thinks such food is burdensome for my stomach. so it is with the economy ..
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 December 2018 17: 43
        +1
        Quote: Boris Ivanov
        and thinks such food is burdensome for my stomach.

        ---------------------------
        Financially first of all. 10 cases of beer is preferable for him to one bottle of "Veuve Clicquot".
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 24 December 2018 21: 16
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      For our economy, such a large-scale construction of the navy would be too burdensome.

      Nothing of the kind. Only the Olympics in Sochi cost around $ 50 billion. Look at how much was stolen in Sochi during the construction of the Vostochny Cosmodrome, the stadium in St. Petersburg, you can call and call.
    5. Maverick1812
      Maverick1812 26 December 2018 07: 12
      0
      Don't you think it burdensome for our economy to maintain the largest yachts in the world, owned by "friends of the self-aware" ?!
  2. Communist for the truth
    Communist for the truth 24 December 2018 13: 41
    +20
    Twenty years later, the Chinese brothers will drive the amers no longer in their seas, but on the Honolulu raid, like I’m Makar’s cat with a rag! All because they did not betray the communist system, are still faithful to the covenants of the MAO comrade. And we traded our SOVIET homeland for a bubble gum with the taste of democratic snot angry
    1. Berber
      Berber 24 December 2018 13: 49
      +13
      Communism has nothing to do with it. Just betrayed the homeland. And the fault is here on many. Gorbachev and Borey were simply the apogee of betrayal, but there were also those who indulged this.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 December 2018 13: 49
      +7
      Quote: Communist for Truth

      Twenty years later, the Chinese brothers

      they will not be "brothers" at all, and we will be "locked" in these waters. (I understand you) Don't touch the cat, my Makar (Siberian) kept our family in good shape for 5 years, died trying to destroy a car. mourned by the whole family, got a small one (4 years at that time), asking what eyes the cat had when he died ...)
      1. Communist for the truth
        Communist for the truth 24 December 2018 13: 51
        +28
        To lock the Russian fleet to the Chinese, you first need to FIND it!
        1. SS-18 Satan
          SS-18 Satan 24 December 2018 18: 11
          +6
          "To lock up the Russian fleet, the Chinese first need to FIND it!" - quote of the Day..
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 24 December 2018 13: 50
      +6
      they are no longer brothers to us now ... but in 20 years they will not be them again ...
      1. Communist for the truth
        Communist for the truth 24 December 2018 13: 55
        +5
        The comprador regime of Yeltsin-Putin is not even their brothers OLIGARCH brothers. Chinese comrade respects STRENGTH and JUSTICE. We will return our SOVIET fatherland - we will return respect to China.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 24 December 2018 14: 01
          +4
          yeah right now ... the Chinese are directly dreaming of seeing a strong northern neighbor at their side ...
          1. Communist for the truth
            Communist for the truth 24 December 2018 14: 06
            +6
            We must be strong ourselves, and not think about the neighbors' wishes. The heyday of the PRC was also not to the liking of many - they put up with it. See how many great wars China has unleashed and how many God-chosen America. Who destroyed how many states. And draw conclusions who are dangerous to us.
        2. Altona
          Altona 24 December 2018 17: 45
          0
          Quote: Communist for Truth
          We will return our SOVIET fatherland - we will return respect to China.

          ---------------------
          Well, China, we need to inspire much more than respect. China should know that the northern tiger is much stronger than the red dragon.
      2. Hypersound
        Hypersound 24 December 2018 14: 02
        -2
        Not brothers, but good partners in the true sense of the word (and not as "partners" Americans)
        1. t-4
          t-4 24 December 2018 14: 52
          +6
          We have already tried to be friends with the Americans on equal terms, to which we were told - "And who are you actually? Your place is on a stool in the hallway."
          Why are the Chinese worse than mattresses or something? Why the hell is Russia weak as a partner? Yes, in general, no one talks on equal terms with the obviously weak.
          Now everyone is happy about the rise of China to the peak of America. Just in case, in 20 years we will get a long common border with the strongest state in the world, an alien mentality to us, the goals and objectives of which are currently unknown.
          1. Hypersound
            Hypersound 24 December 2018 14: 58
            -9
            Quote: t-4
            Why are the Chinese worse than mattresses or something? Why the hell is Russia weak as a partner? Yes, in general, no one talks on equal terms with the obviously weak.
            Now everyone is happy about the rise of China to the peak of America. Just in case, in 20 years we will get a long common border with the world's strongest state, the goals and objectives of which are currently unknown.


            This is not true. First, China's brains are far behind Russia. Without us, they can never be stronger than us militarily, and even what is is largely the merit of our help. They can crush by quantity, but not by quality. Secondly, the growth rate of their economy is declining.

            Simply put, economically, China is, of course, a superpower. Politico-military is only a regional power and a notable global player, but no more. On the contrary, we are a military-political superpower, and economically - only a regional power and a notable world player, but no more. I would say we complement each other perfectly.

            But this is not even the main thing. The reason why there will be no confrontation between the Russian Federation and China is that both countries are controlled by one clan. These are 2 branches of the same world forces
            1. t-4
              t-4 24 December 2018 15: 17
              0
              - As for the clans, I don’t know the word at all.
              --- Purely theoretically, today, of course, if we combine our missiles with their money and production facilities, we will get a superpower. Only without ideology. (The goals of this superpower are unclear). But this is for today. And tomorrow? Aircraft carriers stamp like sausages.
              ---- "Brains are far behind"? Then why are they the second largest economy in the world? And militarily, stealing everything from all over the world (which is generally considered acceptable - our intelligence also helped scientists a lot at one time), will they soon surpass us?
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 24 December 2018 16: 20
              +7
              Quote: Hypersound
              First, China's brains are far behind Russia.

              ABC Australia:
              Now China is the second economy in the world whose per capita GDP has grown 50 times. 700 million people have ceased to be poor. China's contribution to the global economy grew from 1.8 percent to 18.2%.

              Wendover Productions:
              In September 2018, China launched the new Beijing-Hong Kong high-speed rail. This is the same distance as from Paris to Athens. Trains overcome it in more than 40 hours, while the Chinese train runs 8 hours 56 minutes. There are as many expressways in China today as there are in the rest of the world.

              STF:
              China spends more than $ 400 billion a year on research and will surpass the United States in this indicator by the end of 2018. Since 1979, more than 5 million Chinese students have studied abroad. Engineering specialties are most in demand among students in China. At the same time, China is a world leader in the number of scientific articles in engineering fields. The country is growing a highly skilled workforce aimed at introducing new technologies.
              ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/109504/28660/40
            3. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 24 December 2018 23: 36
              -2
              Simply put, economically, China is, of course, a superpower. Politico-military is only a regional power and a notable global player, but no more. On the contrary, we are a military-political superpower, and economically - only a regional power and a notable world player, but no more


              The problem in both the Russian Federation and China is the same - the welfare of the population. One power can be a superpower only when it has a rich population. All the other tales from the rural party.
              1. Hypersound
                Hypersound 24 December 2018 23: 59
                -2
                Of course not. Then, by your logic, Luxembourg is much more powerful than China
                1. Keyser soze
                  Keyser soze 25 December 2018 10: 33
                  0
                  Then, by your logic, Luxembourg is much more powerful than China


                  Hahahaha. as if in Suite, I often beat. Yes, every single inhabitant of China and Russia fled there in an instant, if they could. So yes, Luxembourg is much more powerful than China.

                  PS In the center of the city there is a house for elderly people. The former palace, as in fairy tales, with a huge park. Go look and then crucify who is more powerful.
                  1. Hypersound
                    Hypersound 25 December 2018 10: 58
                    -2
                    Quote: Keyser Soze
                    so yes, Luxembourg is much more powerful than China.

                    AHAHAHAHAHA. Everything is clear with you, the drain is counted
      3. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 24 December 2018 14: 06
        +7
        Quote: kepmor
        they are no longer brothers to us now ... but in 20 years they will not be them again ...

        Yes, and they weren’t when we were brothers, they always wanted to squeeze us, and if we continue to trade in the face, they will succeed belay
        1. Hypersound
          Hypersound 24 December 2018 15: 00
          -6
          Nonsense. Especially as they like to talk about "will take over Siberia and the Far East." In China, only the southeastern territories are densely populated, their north is half-empty by their standards and "I don't want to settle it." It would have become cramped for them only if China had a population of 7+ lards. And their 1.3 lard. In addition, after about 15 years, the population of the PRC will begin to decline
          1. 41 REGION
            41 REGION 24 December 2018 15: 12
            +1
            Quote: Hypersound
            Nonsense.

            Themselves in China were request
            1. Hole puncher
              Hole puncher 24 December 2018 19: 20
              +1
              Quote: 41 REGION
              Themselves in China were

              23 years ago there was Daliani, already then it was a large port with a powerful shipyard on which supertankers were built. The fleet, of course, was then pathetic, the ancient destroyers ... But even then the power of the country was visible, the city was built up with skyscrapers and multi-level interchanges on which ... there were practically no cars. It looked strange, multi-lane roads, interchanges on three levels and almost empty. Not a single pedestrian crossing, all through overpasses, the road is closed by a fence, it is impossible to get out on the road. Now they say there is still better.
              1. 41 REGION
                41 REGION 25 December 2018 07: 00
                -1
                Quote: Puncher
                23 years ago was a Dalian

                I was not interested in you hi This is for those who believe that they are friends in China, but they certainly smile sweetly while it is beneficial for them, but nothing more.
                For you: Dalian has already been built up, now a new Dalian is being built, 9 metro stations from the old, the Eternal could not actually be seen from the plants of the sky drinks
                1. 41 REGION
                  41 REGION 25 December 2018 07: 50
                  -1
                  PS I haven’t been in Dalian for 5 years laughing There’s already probably completed everything laughing
          2. Harry.km
            Harry.km 24 December 2018 16: 07
            0
            Quote: Hypersound
            Nonsense.

            They do not capture him, they are slowly taking Siberia and the Far East to themselves ... to areas where their population density will be higher.
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 24 December 2018 16: 04
      -1
      Quote: Communist for Truth

      In twenty years, the Chinese brothers will drive amers

      You greatly exaggerate the skill and courage of the Chinese sailors.
  3. kepmor
    kepmor 24 December 2018 13: 46
    +15
    so what ??? ... but our oligarchs have the largest fleet of "cruising yachts" in the world ... both in terms of tonnage and cost ... where are the Chinese before us ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 December 2018 13: 55
      +9
      Quote: kepmor
      but our oligarchs have the largest fleet of "cruising yachts" in the world ... both in terms of tonnage and cost ... where are the Chinese before us ...

      Their yachting is not in fashion, they are increasingly being killed by private aviation.
      1. Black sniper
        Black sniper 24 December 2018 14: 25
        +4
        The Chinese have no big aligarchic fleet / aviation because stadiums work well! hi
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 24 December 2018 14: 14
      +4
      kepmor! In China, such naval commanders will quickly lean against the cold wall.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 24 December 2018 14: 25
        +3
        what can I say ... Neanderthals in a word ...
        whether we have ... the Order of Merit to the Fatherland on the lapel ... honor and respect ... and we live ...
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 24 December 2018 16: 20
          -1
          Everything goes to the fact that this experience should be useful with us.
    3. shark
      shark 24 December 2018 14: 39
      +7
      But I wonder who is minus your indisputable statement? Apparently there are people in VO who are proud of the snow-white yachts of the oligarchs, bought on our bones.
      1. snake
        snake 24 December 2018 18: 19
        +1
        Quote: shark
        Apparently there are people in VO who are proud of the snow-white yachts of the oligarchs, bought on our bones.

        Apparently there are some ... Like "my master is cooler than yours." A sort of "barge haulers' pride" for the chic barge he is dragging.
    4. Antares
      Antares 24 December 2018 16: 05
      0
      Quote: kepmor
      but our oligarchs have the largest fleet of "cruising yachts" in the world ... both in terms of tonnage and cost ... where are the Chinese before us ...

      there was an article on VO
      The first twenty boats of Russian billionaires surpassed in value all warships built in the current decade for the Russian Navy.
      The wealthy from Russia take second place, in the first place - US residents
      knightfrank.com source
      Russian citizens own 168 yachts with an average displacement of more than 1,3 thousand tons and an average length of 59 meters. Also in 2017, the number of purchases of private aircraft in the Russian Federation increased. In Asia, private jet purchases grew 4 percent last year, and 3 percent in North America. For residents of the Russian Federation, this figure was 7%.
      But the most expensive yacht is not for the RF, but for the Malaysians - Baia 100 Supreme
      The price of the yacht Baia 100 Supreme Malaysian entrepreneur - 4,85 billion dollars. For comparison: the cost of the Eclipse yacht of the Russian businessman Roman Abramovich is, according to various estimates, $ 500-800 million and is now rented by the owner for $ 2 million per week. The length of the largest motor yacht and the most expensive yacht charter in the world is 162,5 meters.
      The Chinese are also striving to become billionaires, but yachts are not so sold out. Or save.
      Yes, and they are sometimes shot a little ... lol
  4. Lelek
    Lelek 24 December 2018 13: 48
    +7
    You can’t say anything, well done for your country. By the way, the Chinese unwittingly made a good advertisement for our S-400:
  5. Tashkent citizen
    Tashkent citizen 24 December 2018 13: 55
    0
    Well done Chinese. This is the pace of construction. This is the scale !!
  6. Piramidon
    Piramidon 24 December 2018 13: 55
    +9
    At the shipyard Dalian 4 are built immediately analogue of American destroyers with Aegis - 052DG

    Whoever treats the Chinese "Xerox", but personally, I have RESPECT for them. Well done! We put a big and thick garden root vegetable (horseradish) on all patents-driving-applications. The country's defense is in the first place. good good
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 24 December 2018 16: 14
      -1
      Quote: Piramidon
      Respect arises for them. Well done!

      And for me personally, there is a concern ... China is now actively raising tons of money for militarization to increase domestic demand ... but what happens when everyone militarizes? So after 20 years? In the condition when they have a king, he also became non-replaceable? And the local oligarchs (and they will certainly appear in the conditions of a change of power) will want to use weapons for their intended purpose, because war is a very, very successful business. And by that time ... well, I won’t be guessing, otherwise they’ll spit it out ... but by then, we’ll be there anyway. Next to a powerful, economically developed, militarized to the disgrace superpower ... I do not propose to surrender. But underestimate the enemy is a CRIME !!
  7. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 24 December 2018 13: 56
    +3
    One can only envy such a pace of construction and shipyards and military courts ...
  8. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 24 December 2018 13: 57
    +6
    Yes, there was once Dalny, and now Dalian. The "fraternal" PRC correctly disposed of this gesture of goodwill from the USSR.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 24 December 2018 14: 23
      -1
      There was Lenin, and now Liaoning.
  9. Hypersound
    Hypersound 24 December 2018 14: 01
    -5
    Pndos Kaput
  10. svp67
    svp67 24 December 2018 14: 09
    +3
    At the shipyard Dalian 4 are built immediately analogue of American destroyers with Aegis - 052DG
    Yes ... Dalyan was once a Russian town called Dalniy. The Chinese are in a hurry, they have not yet completely run in the head, and the series has already started. Apparently they feel that the fight will be soon. Interestingly, the missile analogue of "Tomahawks" or "Calibers"?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 24 December 2018 14: 39
      +4
      The head one was run in and the 2 sub-series is already coming to the conclusions, with a long landing pad under the Z-18 / 20 and various improvements, including equipment items from 055.

      In addition to the distant, they also have the JNCX fleet forge
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 24 December 2018 14: 40
        +2
        Here is the military corner of this mega-ship.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 24 December 2018 14: 42
          +5
          As for the strike complex - they have a family of missiles YJ-18. There is a cruise missile at 1500 + km. There is a two-stage anti-ship missile (marching section at 800-900km / h with a minimum profile, after capturing the target of the seeker = active section at 2 + M)
        2. svp67
          svp67 24 December 2018 15: 33
          +2
          Quote: donavi49
          Here is the military corner of this mega-ship.

          Another + 4 type 052D, but these are being completed, and how many more are on the stocks? And so it turns out that somewhere in a year they will receive a very efficient squadron of such destroyers to accompany their two AUG ... "Supraiz" wassat
  11. edvardmiloslavsky
    edvardmiloslavsky 24 December 2018 14: 38
    +7
    you look at the PRC and remember the Soviet Navy .. everything is the same .. thoroughly and firmly.
  12. SS-18 Satan
    SS-18 Satan 24 December 2018 14: 47
    +8
    just envy .. envy and all. to their country's leadership.
  13. faiver
    faiver 24 December 2018 15: 45
    +1
    handsome, envy white envy
  14. Adimius38
    Adimius38 24 December 2018 18: 29
    +2
    Well done, a powerful economy working for the country and not for a handful of oligarchs. Powerful navy
  15. Avior
    Avior 24 December 2018 18: 32
    -2
    they are the same Aigis analogs as the analogs of an iPhone on aliexpress
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 24 December 2018 22: 02
      0
      Em. And how is it in 2008?

      Well, just now there are all sorts of DOOGEE - at the price of a bucket of gerchka, while the whole set + moisture / shock resistance. And they are quite praised, on the same 4pda - a huge section. And there is not much more negativity there than in which Samsung or XTS.

      I will also remind you that in the basement of Uncle Liao began such giants of modern IT as Meizu and Xiaomi wink
  16. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 24 December 2018 21: 06
    0
    The biggest copy machine in the world is China!
    No comments
  17. Old26
    Old26 24 December 2018 22: 11
    +2
    Quote: Hypersound
    This is not true. First, China's brains are far behind Russia. Without us, they can never be stronger than us militarily, and even what is is largely the merit of our help.

    The easiest way is to consider a neighbor "stupid" and be sure that without us "they are nowhere." Yes, China is lagging behind Russia in many ways, but we are lagging behind in some ways. And with their brains in complete order. They foster and cherish the younger generation, engineering students, especially those who have their heads on their shoulders from the middle of their studies on the books. We have graduated lawyers-economists-managers for two decades. And their engineering staff were in the corral
    This is how I recall the remark of Arkady Raikin - "There is a commodity expert, like a simple engineer."
    Our only merit is that we gave them an impetus. And then they themselves. In the field of rocketry, the last combat missile, technical documentation for which was supplied to China, was the R-5 of the mid-50s. the rest they did themselves. They have almost all of their own air defense, although at the origins were the Soviet S-75. But their analogue of our S-300 won the competition at one time in Turkey, leaving behind both our S-300 and the American Patriot. Therefore, you should not think that they are blindly copying and not making their own changes. In particular, in the S-300 air defense system, they made changes both in radar and in computing power.
    So far, by some indicators, they may lag behind us. But this is a matter of time.
    In 10 years, China itself went the same way in manned space exploration that we are 20-30. The pace is impressive.
    And with the fleet they are also much better than ours. They are building it, and at a fairly fast pace. But sometimes we can’t surrender a frigate. And what is better, 1 superfrigate or 2 dozen destroyers, which some here call the pelvis. And we do not have these pelvis. How many years did it take for China to make its 5th generation aircraft and how many do we make our Su-57.
    And the fact that nuclear boats still do not know how to do well or RHR on their missiles is unfinished is a matter of time

    Quote: svp67
    Apparently they feel that the fight will be soon. Interestingly, the missile analogue of "Tomahawks" or "Calibers"?

    The destroyers of the 052D project are equipped with YJ-18A missiles, created using the design and technical solutions of the 3M54 class missiles. Range 500 km, warhead - 300 kg. But there are also missiles with a range of over 1500 km. In principle, the Chinese have a very wide range of cruise missiles. Starting from a range of 100-120 and ending with 280-300 km. There are missiles created using technical solutions of such missiles as Exoset, Onyx, Harpoon, Kh-55. The ranges are also different ...