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The Bulgarian president called the decision to purchase F-16 from the United States a triumph of lobbyism

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Bulgarian President (former military pilot) Rumen Radev severely criticized the work of the interdepartmental commission, which was to study the needs of the country's air force in combat aviation and present a conclusion regarding the most suitable option for the purchase of fighter jets. After several meetings, the Commission concluded that the F-16 American fighters are most relevant to the Bulgarian Air Force.


The Bulgarian president called the decision to purchase F-16 from the United States a triumph of lobbyism


Rumen Radev, commenting on this conclusion of the interdepartmental commission, stated that he considers the proposal to start negotiations with the Americans on F-16 procurement issues as a triumph of lobbyism.

Rumen Radev:
I'm not going to defend the types of airplanes, they are all beautiful in their own way, I flew them. But the choice should be transparent and objective, and not represent a triumph of lobbyism.


The Bulgarian President stressed that the democratic procedure, in which the best of the proposals had to win, did not happen.

The president’s group called the work of the expert group, which included Prime Minister Boyko Borisov and representatives of the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense, a farce, noting that he didn’t understand for what particular purposes all these people were going if the choice was made in favor of American planes .

In some media in Bulgaria, it is noted that this decision of the interdepartmental commission may well be a shade of corruption. This is despite the fact that foreign pressure is viewed, as they say, with the naked eye.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 24 December 2018 06: 23
    +10
    This is not a triumph of lobbyism .. Just ordered the lord.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 24 December 2018 06: 38
      +13
      Dmitry, hi !
      Quote: 210ox

      This is not a triumph of lobbyism .. Just ordered the lord.

      The most interesting thing is that my neighbor's son had been sitting on a barge in Varna for 3 months, they had already delivered pipes for the South Stream - they were waiting for the Bulgarians to give birth with a decision to start construction. As a result, the "brothers" found the prospect of becoming a European gas hub nonsense, but the Bulgarians needed the F-16 so that they could not eat without it ...

      They are funny ... Maybe it was not necessary to save them from the Turks, not to go to Plevna and Shipka ?. They jump on ... Polyakov, for example, from Auschwitz has no desire to save a second time (and he will be repeated in one form or another). Yes, even if they burned all of Poland there, I wouldn't lift a finger and I wouldn't even take off my AKC from the safety catch. And the "brothers" are confidently following the Polish path ...
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 24 December 2018 06: 47
        +2
        So you answer me: is it really F-16, with an air intake, like the mouth of a herring shark, is the best in the world? Or just for little brothers, and at a reasonable price?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 24 December 2018 07: 33
          +3
          Quote: Uncle Lee

          So you answer me: is it really F-16, with an air intake, like the mouth of a herring shark, is the best in the world? Or just for little brothers, and at a reasonable price?

          Because he is not Russian. The only reason. Do you remember Ostap Suleymanovich Ibrahim Bender Bey?
          Abroad will help us ...
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 24 December 2018 07: 37
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            he is not russian

            I’m leading to this! And Eroplan 40 years in the afternoon!
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 24 December 2018 07: 53
              +3
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              I’m leading to this! And Eroplan 40 years in the afternoon!

              There is nothing to argue with you, Vladimir, therefore, as General Bessonov said
              All that I can ... All that I can ... from myself ...

              Just a plus. Huge and bold, three times encircled with a pencil.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 24 December 2018 07: 57
                +2
                And we did not argue, but exchanged views!
          2. tech3030
            tech3030 24 December 2018 07: 54
            +4
            I'm here ! F16 will not save the father of Bulgarian democracy!
        2. SSR
          SSR 24 December 2018 08: 28
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          So you answer me: is it really F-16, with an air intake, like the mouth of a herring shark, is the best in the world?

          And what does it have to do with it? Better, worse, is a combination of many factors, including such as price.
          It is significant that the president of the henpecked United States of the country, dared to express his Phi.

          The work of the expert group, which included Prime Minister Boyko Borisov and representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria, President of the country called a farcenoting that I didn’t understand for what specific purposes all these people were going to, if initially the choice was made in favor of American planes.

          How dare he ?!
          He is the president of Moldova, one among the scavengers of the United States.
      2. Gorjelin
        Gorjelin 24 December 2018 07: 07
        +3
        And the "brothers" are confidently following the Polish path ...

        ordinary people, at least for some part, see everything, understand and remember everything (those who are not completely brainwashed), but they can’t influence anything, they’re not guilty of anything

        Bulgaria now has a puppet nominal government, and these are the continuing consequences of the betrayal of Gorbachov and Yeltsin and the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 24 December 2018 07: 29
          +8
          Quote: Gorjelin
          ordinary people, at least some part, sees everything, understands and remembers

          In 1974, I rested on Zlatni Pyatsi (Golden Sands - such a resort) in Bulgaria. There were no problems with the "brothers". But when we somehow got drunk with Bulgarian wine and the whole delegation (about 30 people) began to sing "Katyusha" on the beach, the Poles, whose windows overlooked the beach, pointedly began to close the windows in the hotel rooms. The Germans, by the way, who lived in the same hotel, did not hide their windows. There were also Hungarians, Frenchmen and little by little all sorts of little things from the north of Europe - no one but the Poles closed the windows.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 24 December 2018 16: 34
            +1
            Maybe people wanted silence, but did you interfere?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 26 December 2018 08: 25
              0
              Quote: Alex Justice
              Maybe people wanted silence, but did you interfere?

              Yes, we historically interfere with the Poles (and not only). The very fact of its existence.
      3. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 24 December 2018 08: 13
        -9
        Sorry, you are an officer daughter from Sevastopol. With such neighbors you are on the bench, and not on the VO - the quality of such info is zero.
        And someone will save someone else better, apparently to you in the Soldier's training manual and do not show.
    2. StudentVK
      StudentVK 24 December 2018 07: 55
      0
      What is Bulgaria there? I wonder what kind of aircraft you would like to buy? No. I’m not talking about the fact that there are no other brands of airplanes in NATO, but to be completely in the West, to obey even the SUPER which is not profitable for the failure of the southern stream, but the HOST of the West arrived, as they told them a couple of magic American words and they quickly forgot about the benefit and about the "brotherhood."
  2. svp67
    svp67 24 December 2018 06: 25
    +3
    But the choice should be transparent and objective, and not constitute a triumph of lobbyism.
    Yes, you sho? But what about the "bright image of incorruptible democracy"?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 December 2018 06: 31
      +4
      I wonder what the prices are for Bulgaria ...
      how much does the prime minister of Bulgaria and members of the commission separately? what
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 December 2018 06: 40
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I wonder what the prices are for Bulgaria ...
        how much does the prime minister of Bulgaria and members of the commission separately

        Everyone is more expensive than Ukrainian ...
      2. 210ox
        210ox 24 December 2018 06: 43
        +1
        They cost nothing.
      3. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 25 December 2018 09: 51
        0
        Cheaper than your patriot. Our at least mansions in Europe do not hold.
  3. Russia
    Russia 24 December 2018 06: 48
    +2
    Well, if we assume that Bulgaria is conveniently located under the states, then everything is clear and what the president suddenly got up to, you had to think before. You see, he needed a tender for covering the rear and the triumph of democracy.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 December 2018 06: 51
    +2
    If the Americans are pushing for the purchase of their weapons in stronger European countries, what can we say about Bulgaria, which has long had no opinion, and the power is exclusively pro-American. Surprisingly, the president loudly declared lobbyism (read corruption) and expressed his dissatisfaction.
    1. vadson
      vadson 24 December 2018 07: 33
      -2
      Was it dissatisfaction? In my opinion, he presented it as an achievement. slut lay down and slingshot spread
  5. PalBor
    PalBor 24 December 2018 06: 58
    +2
    And they also have a president, as in Moldova, zero without a wand? Can't impose a veto, or what?
    Take Rafal, damn it! Mig-35 still will not buy the same. NATO, Christmas trees ...
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 24 December 2018 07: 29
      -1
      But when he was chosen, there were hopes that we would have a better relationship with this country. And they don’t buy our planes request
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 25 December 2018 15: 35
        +1
        They don’t buy our cars, nor do our washing machines, and much more. They don’t need that.
  6. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 24 December 2018 07: 09
    0
    For the Bulgarian political elite, this is not a triumph of lobbyism, but a triumph of pop-lick!
  7. tlauicol
    tlauicol 24 December 2018 07: 50
    0
    Italians Swedes and Americans participated in the competition. Gripen was recognized as the best, especially since instead of 8 cars, Saab was selling 10 for the same price. Bulgarian Prime Minister chose ...
    F16 (despite the fact that the Americans hinted that the price is not final, and the first fighter will be delivered in a year)
  8. ochakow703
    ochakow703 24 December 2018 08: 05
    0
    This is not a triumph of lobbyism, this frontal bone has grown to the occipital ... and crowded out the brain.
  9. prior
    prior 24 December 2018 10: 04
    0
    If you want to deprive the country of sovereignty - buy American weapons.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 December 2018 09: 50
      0
      Or sign a contract with Gazprom. Ask the Belarusians.
  10. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 24 December 2018 10: 49
    -4
    Here all the couch army gathered. As a NATO country, what should we buy - Mig 35? Ekperd damn it - one freed us, the other carried a gas pipe, and the scribbler of the article saw the word corruption and it ended all creative exertions.

    And we violet about the torment of the couch troops. F16 Block 70 is the best thing for a small army like ours, and I’m starting to understand the Poles - Amer’s lobism is much better than Russian chauvinism. I read a little here and become a furious admirer of Amer’s politics.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 24 December 2018 11: 09
      +6
      Amer’s lobbyism is much better Russian chauvinism... I am becoming a furious admirer of Amer’s politics.
      Suddenly out of nowhere appeared ... it. Here you and Russian chauvinism towards the Bulgarians and aspirated love for the Americans. Obviously a troll.
    2. Salomet
      Salomet 24 December 2018 11: 16
      +2
      You shouldn’t have blamed chauvinism for nothing. Most of the Russians and visitors to the site just do not suffer from them. At least there are no more of them than nationalists in Bulgaria or Ukraine. And I do not think that Bulgaria will buy block 70. Most likely that is simpler.
      My opinion is that the choice was made just right. Under the planes, the idea of ​​MO and MOT is still more common, and in the NATO bloc F-16 there are more than influenza, respectively, and the overhead costs are lower. You can shout a lot about the owners and lobbyism, but it seems more like the rest simply did not fit in with the means. Having F-16 in a year - 8 units plus getting into NATO programs for repairing airbases is all the same more expensive than 2 extra sides, which can neither be serviced nor placed. hi
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 24 December 2018 11: 30
        -1
        Thanks for the normal response. Glad to see that there are normal people. And yes, and I flushed a little as I read the text. Otherwise about the competition - there are three competitors left - Gripen, F16 and second-hand Urofighter. The reaction of the population about used fighter jets is very bad and therefore the government decided to buy only new ones. Therefore, F16 will be new, 70 Block. 8 + 8 fighters with an offset program (this is a condition of the competition) and a regional training and support center will be built. Offset price at least half the value of the transaction. The price will be political so that amers fit into the framework of the competition.

        Gripen played in the cost, Lockheed in the total operating price and in the cost of weapons. And then, of course, lobism also went and they chose F16 about which I wrote here a month ago. Regardless of all the F16, the 70 is an excellent vehicle with AESA radar and other technologies from the F35 and this will help us to have a small but modern Air Force. I do not think that 8 + 8 fighters is a threat to someone.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 24 December 2018 11: 43
          +4
          F-16 is more versatile than Gripen.
          It can conduct a full fighter battle and works perfectly on the ground.
          In operation, it is cheaper than Eurofighter. Americans supply parts instantly if needed.
          Pilots can be trained in Israel. We have a long and successful experience with these aircraft.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 24 December 2018 12: 03
            -1
            Pilots can be trained in Israel.


            Probably it will be so. We have good cooperation, we will produce Israeli drones with us, and the most logical one will be trained on a new plane from your Air Force, which has great experience.
          2. tlauicol
            tlauicol 24 December 2018 12: 34
            +2
            Instantly? They will deliver 8 aircraft in 6 years. The final price will be announced after the Bulgarians agree - and it is already higher than the Swedish one. A very strange deal.
            Regarding combat qualities, last year's commission named Gripen as the winner. Then Pompeo arrived in Sofia and hinted that there would be no American-made ammunition for aircraft. The deal is dirty and mean
        2. Hypersound
          Hypersound 24 December 2018 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          I do not think that 8 + 8 fighters is a threat to someone.

          I agree. One S-400 launcher just can hold an attack on up to 18 aircraft at a time. Even with a small margin it turns out. In principle, one machine can hold all the Bulgarian Air Force. And we have them under 400, oops. And about 1500 S-300 :)
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 24 December 2018 12: 25
            0
            And we have them under 400, oops. And about 1500 C-300 :)


            Well, I am happy for you :) We have a budget for military toys 1,45% of GDP. We will find oil, gas and diamond, and we will buy several thousand C300 and twenty thousand fighters. Reflect the attack of the Martians.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 24 December 2018 13: 10
              +4
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              Well, I am happy for you :) We have a budget for military toys 1,45% of GDP. We will find oil, gas and diamond, and we will buy several thousand C300 and twenty thousand fighters. Reflect the attack of the Martians.


              Well, if it weren’t for your dumbness, you would have both oil (oil pipeline) and gas (South Stream) and nuclear power plants. And all this at our expense. But you decided to be poor. Your choice.

              On the one hand, you are right with the planes: the tender for these planes was originally within the framework of the Bulgaria-NATO program, and therefore you could only buy NATO planes. But in one thing you are fundamentally mistaken.

              I think the F-16s are selling you NEW. Upgraded, yes. But NOT new. In the competition, the only option for buying new cars was the Swedish fighter Saab JAS-39C / D Gripen.

              Where did you get that you can afford F16 Block 70? Yes, in the amount of 16 pieces? As I read in the translations of the Bulgarian press, even 8 F16 aircraft are already more expensive than 1.8 billion leva (900 million euros). Sorry, but even this contract is possible only if the USA gives you some kind of discount.
              If you think that I'm wrong, then you can familiarize yourself with the terms of delivery of the new F-16s of the new block61 modification to the United Arab Emirates. In April 2013, the cost of 25 F-16 fighters amounted to almost $ 5 billion, with the addition of five more aircraft, the contract cost added another $ 1 billion. The average cost of one aircraft is estimated at about $ 200 million.

              For the Slovaks, the staff are preparing 14 Lokheed Martin F-16V Block 70/72 Viper fighters, with a total estimated cost of delivery of 2,91 billion dollars.

              Sorry, but I'm afraid you have too much of a dream. 16 new F-16s and even block70 of Bulgaria are definitely not affordable.
              1. Hypersound
                Hypersound 24 December 2018 13: 14
                -1
                Quote: abc_alex
                Where did you get that you will be provided with the F16 Block 70? Yes, in the amount of 16 pieces? As I read in the translations of the Bulgarian press, even 8 F16 aircraft are already more expensive than 1.8 billion leva (900 million euros). Sorry, but even this contract is possible only if the USA gives you some kind of discount.
                If you think that I'm wrong, then you can familiarize yourself with the terms of delivery of the new F-16s of the new block61 modification to the United Arab Emirates. In April 2013, the cost of 25 F-16 fighters amounted to almost $ 5 billion, with the addition of five more aircraft, the contract cost added another $ 1 billion. The average cost of one aircraft is estimated at about $ 200 million.

                For the Slovaks, the staff are preparing 14 Lokheed Martin F-16V Block 70/72 Viper fighters, with a total estimated cost of delivery of 2,91 billion dollars.

                Sorry, but I'm afraid you have too much of a dream. 16 F-16 and even block70 of Bulgaria definitely can not afford.


                PPC Pndos hold their vassals for loxov
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 24 December 2018 13: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Hypersound
                  PPC Pndos hold their vassals for loxov


                  Nothing personal, it's just business.
            2. Hypersound
              Hypersound 24 December 2018 13: 12
              0
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              Well, I am happy for you :) We have a budget for military toys 1,45% of GDP. We will find oil, gas and diamond, and we will buy several thousand C300 and twenty thousand fighters. Reflect the attack of the Martians.


              Hardly bro, hardly. And nobody needs you, Mr. Elusive Joe)
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 December 2018 13: 03
            +1
            . "In principle, one vehicle can hold all the Bulgarian Air Force." /////
            -----
            This is if you keep the second one near this machine: a cap-gun. laughing
            1. Salomet
              Salomet 24 December 2018 13: 17
              +2
              Here I think more aviation is needed for a nominal participation in exercises and patrols. I forgot about logistics, here it’s 50/50 if the USA sells another F-2s in 3-16 countries, then the F-ka will win against Grippen or at least it will be equal. I think it’s just that the task is by no means set to defeat anyone. To contribute to the common cause, yes, but not to repel thousands of missiles and hundreds of strategic raids on their own.
              Tea is not Israel. There are much calmer people. hi
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 24 December 2018 13: 21
                +4
                Quote: Salomet

                Here I think more aviation is needed for nominal participation in exercises and patrols.


                I guess it's just Bulgaria's contribution to the US economy. It is even nominally difficult to imagine 8 machines in the form of some kind of active combat group. However, I missed the word "nominal" in your phrase. winked

                Quote: Salomet
                To contribute to the common cause, yes, but not to repel thousands of missiles and hundreds of strategic raids on their own.


                Rather indicate participation in a common cause. In the style of the Baltic armies that sent contingents in the amount of 2-3 people to Syria.
                1. Salomet
                  Salomet 24 December 2018 13: 27
                  +3
                  Duck Bulgaria does not position itself as a country with global interests, so this is quite enough for it, and the rest of the "fuss" is absolutely superfluous. They live within their means, the Reichs, Romes, Poland from sea to sea are not built. hi
                  1. Hypersound
                    Hypersound 24 December 2018 13: 52
                    -1
                    Quote: Salomet
                    Duck Bulgaria does not position itself as a country with global interests

                    Laughing Power)
                    1. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 25 December 2018 09: 49
                      -2
                      Dear, the laughing power gave you the alphabet to knock on the clave. Go learn lessons ...
            2. abc_alex
              abc_alex 24 December 2018 13: 23
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              This is if you keep the second one near this machine: a cap-gun.


              Type T-90? wink
    3. Hypersound
      Hypersound 24 December 2018 12: 17
      -2
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      As a NATO country, what should we buy - Mig 35?

      Firstly, to leave this fake union (and in fact, the relations of the owner and vassals) and buy what is best in terms of price / consumer quality. Secondly, even within Nata, the same Eurofighter is better

      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Mersky lobism is much better than Russian chauvinism

      There is no Russian chauvinism. There is only a gradual restoration of historical justice. And the Americans bend half the world of vassals in one place, and you are glad. I am glad that the reverse historical process has already been launched and this is not for long
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 24 December 2018 11: 09
    0
    Do not worry so much, this is just a tribute to the American Horde, the label holder of which he himself is.
  12. Hypersound
    Hypersound 24 December 2018 12: 12
    -3
    Who needs this stuff, it would be better if they took the cheaper and maneuverable Su-35
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 December 2018 09: 47
      -1
      Or can I immediately order the Death Star? Give two ...
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 25 December 2018 10: 56
        -1
        We will not sell the death star to anyone
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 25 December 2018 20: 55
          -1
          Already collected? And the orderlies in the course ???
  13. Marconi41
    Marconi41 24 December 2018 12: 28
    +3
    And what, in fact, he does not like! F-16 is quite a decent aircraft for such a small country. More economical than our MIG-29 (35), isn't it? Cheaper than European counterparts. Yes, and Bulgaria does not need a more powerful aircraft. With whom should they fight?
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 24 December 2018 13: 13
      0
      Cheaper? You will study the issue of price before.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 24 December 2018 13: 15
        +1
        Compare yourself f-16 and any European counterpart. Do not confuse with our aircraft.
      2. Marconi41
        Marconi41 24 December 2018 13: 23
        0
        By the way, the Bulgarians originally wanted Gripen, but ...
  14. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 December 2018 17: 32
    +2
    Let Bulgaria buy what it wants, but we need to bring our Mig-29K / 35 to mind.
  15. Avior
    Avior 24 December 2018 17: 59
    +2
    the choice is small. in fact, light single-engine aircraft are only two inexpensive ones - the last-generation Grippen and the last 16 F-35s, and the more expensive - either the F-XNUMX or the last-generation Grippen
    F-16 is more universal, so the choice is right.
    But Grippen had previously chosen the so-called interim transitional government, which would obviously not have bought anything.
  16. GibSoN
    GibSoN 24 December 2018 18: 10
    +1
    Tin! Reasoning at the level that you yourself are all bought! Why not buy a fret ?! Ahh! The State Department bought you all)) And if you start talking about power .. from the bottom to the very end ... There’s nothing to discuss. Dude holds a political PR, and someone assented him.
  17. Alexander X
    Alexander X 24 December 2018 21: 59
    +3
    It's time to forget that the Bulgarian elephant is the best friend of the Russian elephant. Stana joined NATO. Block hostile to Russia. All recent actions are unfriendly. Even at a loss to himself. So it is completely justified that they acquire the F-16 and not the MIG ... Well, if you remember that the United States orders music in NATO, then it was generally naive to expect a different solution.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 December 2018 20: 49
      -1
      So you already forgot about us a hundred times and put a bolt. What are the whistles ??? CZV and ATS have collapsed, but right now you are chewing snot? What is the crying of Yaroslavna ??